>What language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!Read the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language-learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua (embed) (embed)>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>List of trackers for most language-learning packs:https://files.catbox.moe/nmrn8x.txt>Ukrainianon's list of commercial courses from rutracker.org:https://archive(dot)is/R2feT>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpootPrevious: >>204580373
First for Anglish, Old English, and Middle English
Second for Anglish, Old English, and Middle English
>>204639244I love Street Fighter but what the fuck does it have to do with learning languages?
>>204640534She's chinese. Which is, like, not english.
>>204640534i just like her bro no need to think that deep really
6ᵉ pour la belle langue française
Is it worth hiring a tutor on italki to practice spoken language?
>>204641359Just join a discord server that uses your TL.
>>204641575How does one go about finding discord servers? I'm very out of the loop
Learn Old NorseDon't bother with Anglish or Old English
>>204641597disboard dot org
>>204641834>learn Old NorseI've dabbled, but my academic focus is on OE.>Don't bother with AnglishIf you speak English you already know Anglish, it's just utilizing less common vocabulary of Germanic origin rather than Latin/French.>or Old EnglishIt's part of my university studies.
>>204642203Thank you!
I’ll try reading L’Étranger tomorrow.
>>204642560So you can post here complaining about how you failed? Try a graded reader instead.
what are conservative Germanic features in English? I know about /w/ and the word 'after'
>>204642684english using /θ/ and /ð/ (th) is quite conservative, less so than /w/ though. iirc only Icelandic and faroese have these sounds still.
>>204642684The one that sticks out the most is the conservation of dental fricatives with "th" as [θ] and [ð]. There are also some peculiarities inherited from Old English such as alternation between voiced and voiceless fricatives depending on context, like "wife" vs. "wives".There's also the i-mutation/umlaut when a high front vowel like [i] or [j] in a suffex influenced the vowel of the root causing it to front, like "foot" becoming "feet" in the plural form.
>>204642226I thought Anglish was about creating new vocabulary Anyway what are you currently doing with Old English?When did you start studying Old English and when did you start using it properly?Which texts have you worked with so far?
>>204642684I'm studying Old High German and it's interesting to see words that have been preserved in English but not in modern German. Old High German had /th/, 'was' instead of 'war', frequent use of 'after', 'same'
>>204642682I already read two graded readers, you fucking retard.
>>204642799>I thought Anglish was about creating new vocabulary They do both, utilising germanic cognates when possible as well as creating new germanic vocabulary. or taking old english words and adding post-conquest sound changes to them.Off the top of my head is the anglish word for victory "sye" from old english sige (german Sieg)
>>204642849How are you studying it?Do you have to start with a textbook or can you just start reading bilingual editions?IIRC doesn't the entire corpus fit into a thick paperback?What about Middle High German?>>204642560>>204642854Good luckI love L’Étranger and you shouldn't find it to be too difficult
>>204642799>I thought Anglish was about creating new vocabularyWhere there is a need, yes>Anyway what are you currently doing with Old English?My postgraduate degree is in Medieval Studies with a focus on Old English. I also take courses in Latin and Old French/Anglo-Norman, but it isn't the primary focus of my degree.>When did you start studying Old English and when did you start using it properly?Probably around 15-16 years ago, purely out of interest. As far as using it properly, I can correctly translate things and put words into their correct forms, but if you dropped me into an Anglo-Saxon village I would struggle to communicate with locals. In an academic setting I started classical education in OE a year ago. My undergraduate program was in mathematics.>Which texts have you worked with so far?It would be easier to go over the ones I haven't. The most helpful have been the Canons of Edgar, the Exeter Book Riddles, the Nowell Codex, Wessex Gospels, and probably many others that don't come to mind right away.
>>204642890I have a textbook and in uni we go step by step from PIE to OHG. I'm internalizing the important sound changes and I will look at verbs next. Translating is still hard, I haven't actively learned vocabulary yet
>>204642890I also learned a lot about Middle High German first, but I forgot the majority of the extra vocabulary that is necessary to understand whole texts.
>>204642890I don’t need your luck, bitch.
>>204642226https://ancientlanguage.com/vergil-press/osweald-bera/ thoughts on this. Heard about it recently. It is supposed to be a Lingua Latina esque textbook but for OE. Has kind of peaked my interest.
Whats the telenovela that was designed for beginners? It was in the 90s you guys were talking about it a few threads ago
>>204643331I found it. Destinos. Does anyone have a torrent
>>204642799The inhide of Anglish is not to craft a new tongue, rather it is to edwend our anward strain of speaking to be sheerly Germanish. A great deal of our rightful wordhoard already bestands, that is to say with heed to Germanish ordfrom, one only needs to brook the right evenword that is not born from French or Latin.
>>204643413This is stupid.You're an American. Be unfettered by the past or attach yourself to someone else's. This atavistic LARPing is embarrassing.
>Bruder vor Luderlel. Like how it rhymes like our bros before hoes
Can an white american get women with spanish or just get drugged and kidneys stolen in Latin America
>>204643817>he thinks he has to learn a new language and leave home to get vagina
post the discord link or perish
>>204639244>Chun‐LiNgl I like how her name combines Wade‐Giles (hyphen) and Li (Pinyin for Lee), were they unsure which romanisation to use?
>>204644207ngl anglocentric romanizations might be the single worst thing in language related affairs. i don't get how there can be scientifically accepted standards based on the most niggerish, most retarded language europe has ever produced, with the single worst way to spell just about anything. their own words, the 70% of their vocabulary's words, words of languages they decided to 'gift' the latin alphabet... i don't get it. why is this accepted? look at south korea's latinization standard and tell me that isn't a crime against linguistics as a whole. same with chinese. just fuck you. anglos should just never speak or have an opinion, it's always bound to be fucking stupid
>>20464429070% that they took from other languages because their bourgeoisie consisted of buckbroken nigger faggots*
>>204643675>This is stupid.That's your opinion.>You're an American.Yes, and?>Be unfettered by the past or attach yourself to someone else's. Meaningless statement that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.>This atavistic LARPing is embarrassing.I am sorry your emotional intelligence is so low that you get embarrassed by the hobbies of other people. Perhaps you should try picking up a hobby or going to the gym.
>>204640534Chun-li é uma chinesa muito gostosa e isso é muito inspirador para estudar chinês, com a possibilidade de pegar muitos cus de garotas chinesas muito gostosas.did i write that shitpost correctly hue bro?
is fluentU good for learning languages?
>Video shows up about some guy that talks about male hobbies>I have none of the "worst" hobbies, only argue online every once in a while>Have 2 out of 5 most attractive hobbies, will have 3 soon>When he mentions language learning he says it's "men that don't exist, like some woman imagining a man from a twilight novel"KEK, I do all of these things and I don't talk to men or women and I don't go outside. Men like this do exist, we're just not interacting with normalniggers. We are especially not talking to women, sorry, females.I don't even know what I would talk to a female about, I would probably get annoyed that she's taking away from my input and reading time and I'd tell her to fuck off for at least 1/2 the day.
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i have a few days off this week. im going to grind hard until my brain implodes and memorize all cases and verbal tenses in serbian by monday.
>>204643817a white american can get women just by existing anywhere in latin america, no language required.
>>204642682>>204642854no more brother wars.
let me inpoooost
>watch French 24 video about Ukraine >comment section filled with ziggers writing in embarrassingly bad frenchmany such cases
How come am I having more trouble retaining katakana than hiragana? I figured it'd be easier now that I already know one of them.
>>204646629There's plenty of people, many of them male, learning foreign languages, what is that guy smoking? Come to think of it, unlike reading, movies or games I'm not at all aware of a gender divergence in language learning, I wonder if there's one.
>>204642854You clearly need to read more, Mr "No one can read Dickens" (LMAO)
>>204652519Because hiragana is much more common so it gets reinforced constantly. You could just play a katakana recognition game/web app for 5 minutes a day and you'd become much more comfortable in a very short amount of time.
>>204652710I'm reading katakana and using hiragana rather than romaji to memorize it. It's working, but it is also a slower process than I did with hiragana. I wonder why that is, might be psychological .
>>204652779But you're still using hiragana 50x more. Verb endings are hiragana, particles are hiragana, kanji readings are hiragana, sentence enders are hiragana. It's normal to be way more comfortable in hiragana at the beginning (some people still struggle later on, but that's because they don't read/input enough) Just needs more practice, nothing special about it.
>>204652567here at least it is more of female thing. I'd bet most of the people that actually see it through and go beyond duolingo are guys though.
>>204646629Link to video?
>>204653694It's just some clickbait dogshit derived entirely from twitter graphs. You can see 4 of them in the screenshot and it's so dumb.
>tfw I listen to a podcast and the guest is from Switzerland and I understand his german no problem
>>204639910>>204640381>anglishcringe>>204642684>and the word 'after'?>>204642762Faroese lacks dental fricatives. The grapheme ⟨ð⟩ in their orthography is just etymological.>>204642783>There's also the i-mutation/umlaut>a historical sound change is something conservative
>>204653694>>204646629It wasn't a bad video, thoughbeit I was two glasses of wine in already when I started watching.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmVL9fWAFI
>>204659920Damn I knew this hobby was unpopular but do Americans really think we don't exist?We've reached mythical status.
>>204656241if he's a guest to other german speakers who aren't swiss, then that means he switched to schweizer hochdeutsch (swiss standard high german) instead of speaking in his actual dialect, because it would mostly be unintelligible to other german speakers
>sie ist einer Masche zum Opfer gefallenGeht das? Oder klingt das irgendwie komisch? Gehe davon aus, dass man normalerweise einfach sowas wie Sie ist auf eine Masche hereingefallen sagen würde, aber ich frage mich, ob diese Formulierung auch geht als eine Art wenig gehobenere Weise dasselbe auszudrücken. >>204661653Danke dafür, dass du mir die Stimmung versaut hast. Das genau was ich heute gebraucht habe. Gleichwohl, was du da gesagt hast, scheint einen Sinn zu ergeben. Ich bin in der Vergangenheit auf reines Schweizdeutsch ein paar mal gestoßen und jedes mal konnte ich davon fast gar nichts nachvollziehen. Also wäre schwer zu verstehen, dass ich aus dem Nichts in der Lage wurde, es problemlos zu verstehen. Ich kann Österreicher (zumindest diejenige die aus Wien stammen) oftmals mehr oder weniger verstehen, aber verstehe ich nur Bahnhof, wenn es um die schweizerischen Varianten geht. All das liegt daran dass ungefähr 95% des von mir konsumierten Deutsches aus Deutschland kommt.
>>204660979I don't know anyone else learning a language in my friend circle or work. I have one relative (an aunt, so a woman), who is doing French on duolingo. Obviously a limited sample, but it certainly seems rather rare.
should have learned spanish need sex with she
How do you pump yourself up when you don't feel like studying
>>204662381Yeah. I know 3 (three) women who are learning a language, all family members, probably learning mostly because we have a cousin who married in who speaks spanish (potentially shotgun wedding or immigration abuse lmao.)I don't really think any of them "know" the language, they're probably at upper-college level if I had to guess. They frequently travel to europe while I've never been, but I have the feeling my spanish skills far exceed theirs.Know 0 men who are learning one right now. My brother tried to learn japanese and dropped it.>>204660979It's uncommon in america to find someone who reads, even. The number of people who learn languages has to be 1/10th of that, and of that number the ones that learn them well has to be even lower.Those hobbies also heavily skew towards females, so a man who knows multiple languages and reads in america is beyond-mythical. This is probably true for the most part in the rest of the world too, just a little more common to know languages to a low level in europe vs not at all in america.
>Goldesel Kind of amusing. Cash-cow in german is literally Gold-donkey
>>204662772sometimes you just have to force yourself
>>204662332>Danke dafür, dass du mir die Stimmung versaut hast. Das genau was ich heute gebraucht habe.kekekekekekekek sry sry sry!!!!! kek >Gleichwohl,holy based, go on >was du da gesagt hast, scheint einen Sinn zu ergeben.rarely the case but maybe this time yeah >Ich kann Österreicher (zumindest diejenige die aus Wien stammen) oftmals mehr oder weniger verstehenso geht es uns auch. ist auch, meiner meinung nach, nicht nur einer der schönsten (und manchmal auch dreckigsten) dialekte, sondern auch leicht zu verstehen. dasselbe kann man über vorarlberg nicht sagen. >aber verstehe ich nur Bahnhof, wenn es um die schweizerischen Varianten geht.so geht es uns auch kek aber generell mag ich sie sehr. geschrieben, übrigens, ist es ähnlich wie mit niederländisch: geschrieben ist beides sehr leicht zu verstehen >All das liegt daran dass ungefähr 95% des von mir konsumierten Deutsches aus Deutschland kommt.die anderen zwei deutschsprachigen länder sind auch in ihrer bevölkerungszahl, relativ zu uns, winzig. von denen kommt allgemein leider nicht so viel ;/ in deutschland ist es auch sehr, sehr selten, mal einen beitrag aus österreich oder der schweiz irgendwo zu sehen, weder im fernsehen, noch sonstwo. irgendwie ist das auch ein bisschen seltsam, da uns nachrichten aus amerika teilweise eher erreichen, als nachrichten aus der schweiz. naja.
>>204662332>>204667048>die anderen zwei yeah, luxembourg (although they pretend luxembourgish is not just funny german) and liechtenstein are technically countries in a way shoutouts to that one town in belgium that speaks german though
>>204662772think that by practicing even just a tiny bit when you dont really feel like it you will form a stronger habit of study and your results will get better faster
>>204662772Sometimes you have to switch it up. I like to have an easier show that I can watch that I can just enjoy. When I am burned out I watch that instead.
>>204662772If you don't feel like studying, there is probably some reason for it. There is something in your study routine that isn't working and that you need to change. Sit down to do your usual thing and simply observe where the pain points are, what activities, what part of the process jumps out to you as an annoying obstacle, what part could you eliminate or somehow optimize and immediately feel like the work is easier. You can tweak things and experiment until it feels right. It's hard to give any actionable advice because it depends on your specific pain points.
FUCKING PAGE 10!!! WHAT HAPPENED TO /LANG/??????
>>204662772Think about what you want to do with your TL, tell yourself that the only way you can do the things you want to do with your TL is to grind the hours for it and then start grinding
I am still a virgin in my country. I received a job offer for a wagie retail job, so I will take it to hopefully stack some cash and dump into crypto while I look for a way out of my predicament.I am still learning Russian in my country but it may grow more cumbersome trying to balance it with my work schedule
je kiffe le français
>>204661653>because it would mostly be unintelligible to other german speakersDepends on the Kanton THOUGH.
anyone know any good Russian youtubers? can be any subject
>>204671204Der Faden ist immer ein bisschen langsam an Werktagen. Ganz normales Tempo für einen Montag
How do I get over the humiliation of speaking and being bad at it?
>>204674978you don't, you use the humiliation to make sure you never make the same mistake ever again
>>204674931und allerseits wird wieder so getan, als hätte man einen job
>>204643413>Germanishyou lose
>>204674978develop a humiliation fetish
>>204643413in theory i like this but i think my biggest qualm with it is that mostly the words seem unnatural. not in that they are not usually said, just the way they are formed seems either translated from another germanic language or just like patchwork. something is missing, but i can't tell what it is
>>204674978Maybe avoid speaking in front of other people until you're actually good at the language. There are lots of private ways of outputting that don't involve witnesses, like a diary or an inner monologue.
>>204676075I speak haltingly in English too. I express myself far better in writing. It's a little humiliating
>>204639244Threadly toki pona song to rot your brain too:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhHhM28SK80
I watch Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel in French to learn French profanity
>>204672952apparently kiffer is perhaps related to german's kiffen. Kind of neat
>>204652259I hate them so much it's unreal
>>204652259>>204678070Hallo Ich bin Tomasz Müller aus Brandenburg Oblast. Ich liebe Deutschland, Sauerkraut, Bratwurst and Mercedes. Deutschland ist ein gutes Land aber wir dürfen den 2. Weltrkieg nicht vergessen.Die Ukraine ist ein Nazistaat und Russland sind unsere Freunde. Frieden schaffen ohne Waffen. Zelensky soll aufgeben und an seine Volk deиken. Der Krieg ist verloren und Russland soll Odessa bekommen wegen die Aggresion von die Ukraine. Deise Staat muss dann demilitarisiert werden und zu neutrale Land gemacht werden. NATO expandiert aggressiv in Ost-Europa und bringt uns in den 3. Weltkrieg. Ich als Deutscher sage: "NIE WIEDER", denn wir müssen aus Stalingrad und Kursk lernen wo Nazideutschland gegen die heroische und ehrenhafte Rote Armee im Groыen Vaterlandskrieg verloren hat.Russland ist Europas Freund während Amerika unser Feind ist mit die ganzen Militärstützpunkte in den westlichen Oblasts von Deutschland.Ich hoffe auf eine schnelle Lösung von der Spezialoperation in die Ukraine weil deren Volk an der Krieg leidet wegen Komiker von Präsident Zelensky.Mehr Kontakt zu Russland weil Putin männlicher und starker Anführer ist, der an seine Volk denkt anders als korrputer Joe Biden.
>>204678358lel. Vielleicht wird bald eine unserer Langstreckenraketen eine dieser weltberühmten Troll-Fabriken einschlagen. Man kann träumen.
soixante et un jours jusqu'au chômage
>>204652519Why can't I learn romaji and focus on understanding spoken Japanese? Thats all I care about. I don't need to be literate and have nothing to prove. I already out in the hours to memorize hiragana and katakana and a lot of Kanji but it genuinely feels like a waste of time because I'm no closer whatsoever to understanding when I hear it which is my only goal. I wish there was a method that focused on listening and being able to understand the context properly. Using romaji to be explicit if needed
I'm tired and sad of not having any culture of my own whatsoever. I can't even larp by using ancestry stuff. And I can't connect with any element of American culture at all
>>204680082Have you tried learning Khazdul?
>>204680772>Neo-KhazdulThey are all actually completely now
>>204680906Because its complete unlike Khazdul and the Dwarven joi de vivre is something you need.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02nLHpSLTxoAkur akir akam!
>>204680929https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyn6pn-eQzE
>>204680929>>204680960 (Me)I don't know if you deleted your post or if someone reported you but it wasn't me lol.
>When the pro-elf comment gets deletedTHE WESTERN SEA HAS PASSED AWAY,THE WORLD WAS FAIR IN DURIN'S DAY!
>>204680058Japanese is a language that is highly influenced by classical chinese to such a degree that you can't even compare something like the relationship between English and latin/FrenchThey aren't just symbols for writing words, they're ghosts of Chinese words haunting the Japanese language and you have no way to exorcise themFor hundreds of years there basically was no written Japanese, there was spoken Japanese and written chinese and the two developed side by side in parallel rivers that then converged If you try to understand it from a purely western perspective of letters representing sounds you will be lostYou will be like a two dimensional being trying to comprehend three dimensions, you will not even be able to comprehend what you are failing to seeYou have to allow yourself to be lifted up and dropped into that third dimension and have your brain re-wired into a three dimensional brain as you take in the chaotic insanity of this new dimension you've never seen before and then it will start to make sense You can say I'm stupid and refuse to accept it because you are looking out towards the east from your viewpoint in an armchair in Western Europe a twenty thousand miles away and thinking you should be able to understand exactly how things are there and getting mad when you don't
>>204681571But that doesn't address any of what I said at all. Im not talking about a western perspective. I'm not sure what your post has to do with mine at all
>>204681760Sorry mayne, I'm a schizo
>>204681831No don't say sorry its probably my fault. I'm a very stupid man. Your country looks nice. Have a good day
>>204680058>Why can't I learn romaji and focus on understanding spoken Japanese?Who says you can't? Don't listen to them.>I wish there was a method that focused on listening and being able to understand the context properly. Using romaji to be explicit if neededSurely it must be easy to transliterate websites on your computer. Even if it fucks up the formatting on some websites you could just copy and paste the text into a transliteration tool. You could take the entire script for a Japanese TV show and watch it with Romaji subtitles this way. Chatgpt will happily talk to you in romaji. And you can practise speaking and listening without any text. Automatic subtitles on youtube videos can be downloaded (and then transliterated). Those are my ideas
>>204680082Just do what I do and learn a language and immerse yourself in its culture and history
>>204682003What are you learning
>>204682092the in's and out's of you're mom's fat pussieNTA but i'm learning russian, their online shitposting culture is very rich, unfortunately i'm not interested in heroes of might & magic
>>204682092French, Old Norse and I recently started learning JapaneseI've also dabbled in Classical Chinese
>>204682169Btw it's probably better to just do this with one languageLearning multiple languages at once is a dumb idea
>>204682135>>204682169I struggle to learn anything I have no use for not for any big reason I just lose motivation And by use I don't just mean talking or $$$And I will won't touch Spanish
>>204682503I think that's one of the most important factors for language learning success and in my opinion if you don't have it you won't get farA lot of people start learning a language because they have a vague sense that it's useful but that rarely seems to be enoughYou've got to have actual uses for your languages
can someone give me advice?i read somewhere that the maximum number of languages one can master to a C2 level at the same time is 4-6, incl. native lang.i am currently learning German and working on my English.i need actual, real advice on whether or not:>work on my Modern Standard Arabic after I get good at German?>learn 2 more foreign languages? if yes, which ones?
>>204683254>>learn 2 more foreign languages?no, stop being a fucking lunatic, focus on one language at a time.>>work on my Modern Standard Arabic after I get good at German?cross that bridge later.dude, you need to get fucking serious if you ever want to succeed at being a hyperpolyglot gigachad. I don't care if you want to do something that's technically possible and I don't care if 4-6 is the limit. ONE is sufficient at a time and you clearly lack discipline so there is no fucking point in looking for any other answer. work on your problems first.
>>204683909ok mate!
bum pity bump>>204681571basedstill doing it yolo>>204680082>I can't connect with any element of American culture at allhow is that possible there's so mucheven as an Asiaboo I like a lot of American music for examplebut you are welcome to live vicariously through a yuro culture of your choice. who cares if you have 3% of their dna or none.
It's crazy how popular duolingo is despite it being a somehow worse version of the grammar-translation method.
i want to learn chinese
>>204688682Why do British men love Chinese so much while British women love Korean
>>204686309Most people don't make it past the beginner stage. Duolingo provides an extremely polished and dopamine-enducing beginner stage.Also the marketing is strong.
>>204639244how do people ACTUALLY learn languages without immersion or formal lessons? I don't think I've ever met somebody who became proficient in a language unless they lived in a country with their TL for an extended period of time, or they had a lot of classes in it (especially if they had classes as a kid, like some Europeans have years of English classes in school).we talk about all these strategies here but has anybody here become proficient in a language with anything other than just immersion or formal lessons?
>>204690029>(especially if they had classes as a kid, like some Europeans have years of English classes in school).Even in this case it's primarily immersion in English content that results in English proficiency.There's no reason to learn without immersion, it would be like trying to learn to drive a car without eyes.
>>204690370but if you live in an English-speaking country, and all your friends and family and co-workers speak English, then immersion is hard.Even when I shitpost on 4chan, it's still English. Is there a Spanish 4chan?
>>204690029>how do people ACTUALLY learn languages without immersionThey don't. And no, formal lessons will not result in you actually speaking the language. Unless you actively engage with your target language reasonably often, there's no reason for you to keep all that information in mind. Playing a story-heavy game from start to finish in your target language will benefit you more than a couple of years in a language school.
>>204690624>Is there a Spanish 4chan?Idk, the portuguese one though is quite nice. The website functions better.>all your friends and family and co-workers speak English, then immersion is hard.Depends on the TL. If it's a common one, there's really nothing stopping you from immersing in lots of content. Learning French for example is just as easy as learning English, just switch the language in whatever you're watching to French.
>>204690029I kinda agree with the caveat that immersion doesn't simply mean existing in the TL country but living your life through the TL, or at least a big enough chunk for a long enough amount of time that covers many different aspects of the language and forces you to use all of them. There are a shitload of people on the internet who get good at reading and writing English just through consooming media in English, playing games that force them to understand the language and/or shitposting. I think this applies to learning almost anything. You need to try the thing you want to improve at. You can't just get good at things that are similar. It might help but it will never take you over the finish line. I don't think living in the country is necessary. But I do think you should be using the language as though you are living in the country.
>>204683948Oh hey I have a gif of this character doing a thumbs up on my phone.
>>204682880NTAI think a lot of people don't have the "improvement" mindset. I read a few martial arts books and the idea of "mastery" came up a lot in them, and from that point on I just started improving everything I was doing.My "use" for learning languages is that there's pretty much no skill ceiling. There will always be more words and phrases, and if you really were able to master one you can move onto another. A hobby that costs nothing that I can just continually improve at is great.
>>204690029Immersion builds your base up and you gradually put the pieces together. Language classes are a more focused approach that makes you good at a couple hundred things out of the millions of things that are in a language, but those things might be marginally more useful than the rest.You can "immerse" yourself with youtube and the internet fairly well. You seem to be conflating "immersion" with "living in a foreign country" or something, when you have access to pretty much all the books ever written and millions of videos right now.Also there's always trannycord to talk on if you want to talk to natives, but couldn't be me.
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>>204642865>the anglish word for victory "sye" from old english sige (german Sieg)nice word. what would the pronunciation be?/sai(:)/ - akin to "dye; die - /daｪ/"?>Forwards tsoom sye! >>204643413endbasiert>>204643774>(mein) Bruder vor (einem) Luder ~ bro before hoeoh neato, it actually works/rhymes in the singular. >bros before hoes>(meine) Brüder vor (meinen) *Lüder?unfortunately, "ein Luder; mehrere Luder" stays the same in plural and doesn't gain umlaut like "ein Bruder; mehrere Brüder", so it doesn't work in plural like in English.but it would work if you just use a slang plural "-as" for both, like:>(meine) Brudas vor (meinen) Ludas>>204643817si claro papi>>204664237it's from a märchen>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wishing-Table,_the_Gold-Ass,_and_the_Cudgel_in_the_Sack
>>204685677Literally all of my nonamerican ancestor is south eastern England
>>204680082As long as you don't start larping as a native, no one will care if you do what this anon says >>204685677
>>204696958I'm not really looking for larp either way. I can't trick myself like that
I think the extreme disparity between /fr/ and /deutsch/ says a lot about the difference in the english proficiency of France and Germany. /fr/ is way slower.
ptet que tu devrais rester avec ta mamanelle pourrait faire la lessive et cuisiner pour toiptet que tu devrais rester avec ta mamantes assez con et moche aussi
Lol, "dghes" means "today" in georgian because "dghe" means "day".Steppe folks got it all wrong
I'm learning Chinese, and I'm learning a list of at least 7 words that mean approximately the same and are written with the same character. This almost impossible
>>204704604I'd use "en plus" instead of the "aussi" at the end
armenian, albanian or greek?
>>204705811Ordering dinner?
What language has native speakers that are excited to share their language with foreigners who aren't very good at speaking it? I've tried learning French, German, and Swedish and none of them seem to be willing to practice with me when I try to speak with them.
>die Biege machendoes this mean like to get out of doge/leave suddenly?
>>204707334Put yourself in their shoes. How long would you be willing to play English teacher for free before you just got bored and irritated? Maybe you'd do it one time out of courtesy, but imagine every time you see the person they're asking for tips and feedback. It's a pain in the ass. If you want a teacher, then pay for their time and effort.
>>204707334From what I've seen Arabic speakers seem to love it when people try to learn their language.
>>204707760Either this or just reach a decent level before trying to talk to native speakers.Anyone would be willing to chat as long as the conversation isn't painful/annoying because you still suck.
>>204707334Most of Asia, as long as you can actually produce some coherent sentences and not just a few words. Although for places like Vietnam even a few words is often enough.
>>204707334The meds seem to appreciate it. Some slav nations do also.
>>204707334is this true for Brazilians?
>>204681856Bullshit this isn't real
>>204707760Something tells me when you had friends over and dinner was ready, they had to quietly sit in your room until you were finished eating.
>>204707334The key is italki
>>204711340Jokes on you, I never had any friends.
>>204706929no, deciding on which language to learn after im a serbian prowas going to be polish but then i remembered i dont really like polacks
>>204707760I would because i have no friends
>>204711781Is learning languages really that easy for you.you talk about 10 year investments like its nothing
I've learned Mandarin & Italian so far. Convince me which language I should learn next.
>Tras>Detras>AtrasIm gunna loose it
>>204704807What's the character? I'm HSK3 and I can't think of anything this egregious.Don't think about homonyms and you stop noticing them, that's my secret.>>204715196None, you've learned the 2 greatest literary languages, now you can spend your life enjoying the world's best books in the original.
>>204704807Also, you can create sentences out of homonyms to create fun mnemonic hacks:Cháng cháng cháng cháng cháng>Chang often tastes sausages
>>204715801holy shit i knew chinese was literally fucking "ching chong xi piao piao shenzhen xinchuangxing" nonsense
>>204715196>JapaneseBecause you're a weeb with knowledge of chinese characters already>FrenchBecause you know Italian already and French has the second greatest literary canon>Classical ChineseBecause you're a sinophile who already knows mandarin and you want to read literature in literary chinese
>>204707334Korean
learning french but starting to think these french fellas are not the nicest people
>>204717771Who are the nicest people you would think
>>204718079asian woman are always nice to me for some reason
>>204709824I see you already gave up before I made my suggestions
Ugh, well so is it correct that Standard Southern British English is perceived as more prestigious and authoritative than General American English across the globe nowadays?
>>204721796https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_accent
>>204721826Ugh, I have to inform you that Geoff Lyndsey concluded that this Wikipedia article is factually wrong and outdated.
>>204721796if i saw a slav speaking in bri'ish english i'd think he was a soviet-era diplomat or spy. why do you ask?
>>204676468Only good post in this thread
>>204721979>if i saw a slavI already started to seethe that you wouldn't tell me apart from a Swede but then remembered even Arabs can tell I'm a Slav. It's so over.>why do you askI originally started learning English with the British pronunciation but then I thought I'll move to America so I was reading in the American one for a while but recently I decided against it so I now I'm unsure again. Also, I remember the replies about the English accents I was getting like 4 years ago were drastically different from what I had heard when I was asking it here last time.
>don't understand french verb endings>can still read the sentences (past, future, condition)how?
I hate being a B1 incel!!!! I want to be a B2 chad!!!! But no matter how hard I try, I'm not progressing fast enough
>>204715752>>204715801I wasn't talking about homonyms, I was talking about two character words that share one character and therefore their meaning is about the same, but with minor differences
>>204722980you can learn Spanish, James. Hoy pieta à tu amigo jajaja
>>204723138>learn SpanishWhat for? It's unironically better to learn Netherlandian.
>>204723358>Netherlandian.Neanderthal :3c
I wonder how good the canadian anon's polish is now. Same with the Mexican who was learning French/Chinese. Haven't seen them in forever around here.
>>204724156they got a gf and stopped learning languages and posting on 4chan
First Japan flag here
>>204724230what are you learning, nihonjin bro?
>>204724252Im studying English
>>204724304>monolingual bronot gonna make it
>>204724156>Mexican who was learning French/ChineseI miss that guy
>>204722980You'll get to B2 and hate it too and you'll yearn for the pastures of C1 to then only find that not even C1 can quench your thirst. t. knower
>>204725368this is sad, so am I supposed to be miserable all my life?
Hey guys. I'm not going to post in these threads for the foreseeable future because I have more important things to do.While I'm gone, please could some of you keep the retards in line.
>>204726016you were one of the retards
Can someone help me with this sentence?In the german version, it reads as:>Besser abgetretene Sohlen, als daß sich einer an den Damen Kohut die Schuhe abputzt.Which italians translate as (I'm translating in english):>Better to have them worn than let others make shoes for the Kohut Misses.But the english version translates it as picrel.Is it somekind of proverb or something like that, that means what the English translation says? Or did the English translator pulled this sentence out of his ass?
>>204727366Nvm, got the answer in the german general.For those who are interested, here it is: >>204727338
Reading more about what is commonly proposed by modern studiers of Celtic languages makes me trust less and less about anything published on history.
>>204712446you talk about humans as if they were single threaded lol.you can learn a language for a few months, realize you hit a breakthrough, switch to another language for another few months and then rinse and repeat.
I have a question. Is it dumb to learn the meaning of each chinese character? should I just learn how they are written and then the meaning of words instead? do chinese people know the meaning of the most common 3000 characters?
>>204728304you usually learn the meaning of the words and you deduce the meaning of the character depending on which word it is. For example, the 吸 in 呼吸 and 吸引 I don't know what it means, but I'd say is something related to breathe or attract, so when I see it in another word I'd guess that's its meaning
>>204727979Explain
>>204728441Estoy haciendo un excel con cada carácter chino centrandome en los primeros 3000 más comunes de acuerdo con su rango y tengo la casilla para el sonido en pinyin y luego su significado en español. Pero ahora me pregunto si esto no es una perdida de tiempo y solo me aprendo las palabras y carácteres que aparecen en las guías del HSK.
>>204728447They claim the language of Britanny came from Wales or Devon despite this being very difficult to sustain historicallyThey claim in a strange fashion that all of Britain spoke Welsh and all of Ireland spoke Gaelic despite the fact that tribe which inhabited Ireland were known to live across most of Britain
>>204728581Isn't British history basically a total mystery anyway We have no clue where they came from or what their mythology was Anglo Saxons came. Then they became Christian and fake French Thats all we know
>>204728568Learn English before you start learning Chinese, and yes, I'd say it's a waste of time unless you wanna study sinology and read ancient texts or something like that
>>204728644>NOOOOOOOOOO you must speak to your fellow countrymen in english!holy xenophile cuckwhy are taco vendors like this?
>>204728701the spanish language is dead, we all should use english from now on
>>204728631>We have no clue where they came from or what their mythology wasAccording to archaeology iron tools arrived in 700 BC which must be the Welsh race then in 200 BC according to archaeology, the Pictish king list and Roman history by inference the Gaels arrived and established their kingdoms and republics
>>204721796California english is the only correct english accentanything else is an abomination, especially british shittery>>204728730it's so dead that it's likely going to become the national language of the US within our lifetimes lol
>>204728581I thought welsh language was basically restricted to just Wales with little spill over and everywhere else was old English and whatever germanic was before
>>204728730God i wish this was true
>>204728644>estamos en /int/>en /lang/>un payaso con bandera española me responde en pirata cuando le hablo en su idioma>me dice que el segundo idioma más hablado del mundo por nativos está muerto>de seguro es catalan
>>204728730Los idiomas son tecnologías y el español es mil veces superior al inglés. Que se use menos no significa que sea peor. Parguela.
>>204728916>>204729012If Spanish is so superior to English, how come only Spaniard flags are replying to you? Nobody understands you
>>204729079Cállate payaso. Nosotros, los extranjeros hispanohablantes, estamos ocupados a veces cuando estamos follando a tus hermanas, pero ya terminé entonces puedo responder a tu estupidez.
>>204729079Supongo que no hay que dejar de regar las plantas con Gatorade. Nada, te doy la razón.
>>204728828I can't understand this
>>204729308What do you mean
>>204729079Vammanen neekeri täällä vihaa kieltään ja mieluummin larppaa jotain jenkkiä. Eikö oma kulttuuri ja historia kiinnosta? Laita toki pari purilaista perseesees ja lähde jenkkeihin, kun kerran niin kovaa haluut niiden alamainen olla :D
I wish I knew middle Welsh
https://m.dcinside.com/board/English/449942His accent is very good isn't it
>>204708382From my experience, all of the brazilians (and portuguese) that I have spoken too have been happy to converse, both online and in real life. Though, I didn't start talking (very occasionally) to other people until I was a few months in so maybe I had just stopped being bad enough that talking with me was an annoyance
How often do native English speakers pronounce 'thousand' with a 't' sound instead of the 'th' sound
>>204731689Only in Irish
>>204731771What other words do they pronounce like that, I imagine they pronounce math or think normally for example?
>>204731906they don't have the th sound at all. I had an Irish teacher and he always used [t] or [f]
>>204731984I didn't know that, thanks.
i need quick brotherly adviceBabbel lifetime costs $120 for meShould I get it or noDon't shitpost or talk shit, give honest adviceIf I get babbel im becoming a hyperpolyglot chadIf I don't, ill just learn german maybe
no
>>204722980I feel youI have been working on writing and using ChatGPT to estimate the levelI get B1 regularly but sometimes it says there are elements of B2Just give me the damn B2 already
>>204732670whyand why are you avoiding >>ing me
yes
>>204732709ok i will learn your TLs, french and german
>>204732729
>>204732673get it to rewrite it at the b2 level and explain the key differences
the thread is slow enough where you don't need a (you), you're going to waste 120 you don't have on something you're not going to use. spend it on food>why>and why are you avoiding >>ing me
>>204732884ok
>>204732847Sounds like a good ideaI will try itUsually I have it make a table with the mistakes and explain what is wrong
>>204727366>>204728074good question. had to read the synopsis of the novel to interpret it.>Die Mutter atmet auf, sie bugsiert die Tochter, vorbei an Boutiquen, in die Einflugschneise der Josefstädterstraße.the mother takes her daughter (presumably by her hand) past the boutiques (clothing stores). the daughter would like new clothes but the mother doesn't allow it.>Die Mutter freut sich, daß der Spaziergang auch diesmal nicht mehr gekostet hat als ihre Schuhsohlen.the mother is happy that once again their walk didn't cost anything (they didn't buy anything). but she worries that their shoe soles got more worn out. maybe they have old worn-out shoes; or they have new ones and the mother just worries too much.>Besser abgetretene Sohlen, als daß sich einer an den Damen Kohut die Schuhe abputzt.>einer putzt den Damen Kohut die Schuhe -> einer putzt sich an den Damen Kohut die Schuhe abthe mother would rather have shabby shoes than even pay someone to shine their shoes (it could refer to that; you don't really see shoe-shiners anymore nowadays). so she is very stingy and sees even this cheap service as a mistreatment.alternatively it has no literal component and she sees having to buy new shoes (or soles) as too expensive and thus a mistreatment by the shop keeper. the Italian translation seems to interpret it this way:>Better to have them worn-out than let others make shoes for the Kohut Misses.mother doesn't want to buy new shoes for her or her daughter>Better to wear worn-out shoes than to polish the boots of some shop owner.the English versions seems to take some liberties to keep the image of shoe-shining or polishing. the mother doesn't want to give the shop owner money and sees doing that as being subjugated by him, like having to polish his boots (serve him).
>>204733471>>204727366>jdms.[GEN] Schuhe putzen / jmdm.[DAT] die Schuhe putzen ~ to shine so.'s shoes; to clean so.'s shoes>sich an etw.[DAT] die Schuhe abputzen ~ to clean one's shoes on sth. (i.e. rub one's shoes against sth. so dirt comes off)>sich an jmdm.[DAT] die Schuhe abputzen ~ [lit] to clean one's shoes on so. (would be extremely rude); [fig] to mistreat so.; to treat so. badly or without respect this isn't really a common saying but it would be understood. see pic (1. > bildlich).
>>204732495depends on if you want to refund babbel or not
>>204732673>>204732847I tried this and it estimated me as being B2. Then I asked it to rewrite the text at a C1 level and got absolutely pissmogged. I hadn't even seen some of the verbs that it used in the rewritten version of my text and it read way better than I will ever achieve.I am stuck in B2 hell
>>204733653no,i realized that for me to learn a language this formula works:>1: real life class>2: supplementary stuff>3: consistencyit's like prozac, before, trivial things and life's events would perturb me and make me worry and stress 24/7, now when i get in the zone of lang learning, hours go by and i always feel better. it's the second best thing i've done after walking daily.i might get it, but i need to think about it and evaluate my goals and circumstances and then ill make the final decision
>>204734425Alright, well, as with any purchase, it's best to sit on it for a while and think before making it. Impulse buying is not good.
>>204715752>None, you've learned the 2 greatest literary languagesBeta male mindset. I need to know what the third greatest language is.
Reached a sad conclusion that u can't win all the battles so you need to choose your fights wisely so to speakI thought about it and only the most essential, useful, and good languages deserve to be learnedEnglish is #1German is #1, too, not even #2.And I got resources for both (English: input) and German my real life class.I'll drop Arabic that sand[slur] language.
What's the easiest Cyrillic language
>>204733823What language?
>>204731689In Ireland, Shetland and Orkney, among some Black Americans, Caribbeans, the Northern Territory of Australia and among some Pacific Islanders.Mostly applies to the older people.
>>204735413Bulgarian
>>204735413Polish
Been having fun at my Japanese classes. The teacher is pretty chill, and since I joined with a friend I have someone to practice with and talk to about Japanese, which makes me more likely to keep up practicing. I highly recommend learning a language with someone else if you have the chance.
>>204720153What are you talking about? I'm still waiting for suggestions. I'm not doing anything here man. You don't have to start trying to be mean to me.
>>204737496Interesting, thanks for a detailed answer.>>204737741Not funny.
>>204737799you gave up, just like your parents gave up on you. you are a failure and will never achieve anything in your life
>>204737988Now say that in Japanese
>>204737476Brapzilian Portuguese
>>204735413Russian.
>>204737988What are you even talking about
>>204725399Leben heißt leiden, überleben heißt im Leiden einen Sinn finden
>>204738652What makes it easier than Bulgarian in your opinion?
>>204735413Russian because it has the most resources and content.
>>204740244>>204740277You'll find what actually makes a language difficult to learn has nothing to do with its linguistic properties.
Whats a good source for beginner audio japanese inputI'm just horrible at it. I need a good strong Playlist to ease my way in and put all this vocab to use. I can't parse spoken Japanese at all
>>204740277How do I learn Russian for stupid peopleMinimal grammar and just the necessity vocabulary I was thinking either that or Belarusian
>>204740421I see what you mean. I envy some of the top languages for how many resources are available for them.
Do any of you have experience converting fluency in writing/reading to oral fluency?I am incredibly frustrated
>>204738301Damn, I have to try it with french. Btw, why are you learning BP (it's an unusual choice)?
>>204740924https://www.youtube.com/@cijapanese/playlistsif you get bored: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNtBSyH-jcE&list=PLMyQxaghEY1Fe6bUvggB1V_CT1ErASFY6
87.71 hours of French and I can't even fucking read L'Étranger, I'm taking 1h for each page. I'm so fucking pathetic, why was I even born if it meant being this fucking stupid? I can't take this life anymore, this is just utter suffering every single day, I can't take this anymore, I can't take this anymore, I can't take this anymore, it's fucking over, it's fucking over, it's fucking over, IT'S FUCKING OVER.
>>204740924If you download the tadoku graded readers on anna's archive there's audio for them available on tadoku's websiteIt's just a narration of the graded readers but it could be worth checking outThe file name is something like 'Japanese Graded Readers Complete set'>>204742633It shouldn't take 1 hour per pageMaybe try reading something easierHow are you searching words up?Is it just the vocabulary that's a problem or are you struggling with the grammar?
>>204741364It sounds really beautiful to my ears After having started I found out that there might be a possibility to go on an exchange trip there through my unity which justified me learning it more, but I would likely have stuck with it anyways due to the prior reason
>>204740989>learn cyrillic>memorize the 5k most common words using anki>after about 500 words, start reading and listening to beginner material and work your way up to native content>consume native content until the language becomes second natureThat's basically it. Here's some resources:https://refold.link/russianhttps://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Russian>>204742633Lol, for real, it shouldn't take you an hour per page. Maybe humble yourself and read a graded reader like "Alex Leroc". Grind it out until it's effortless and you understand the full sentence without any ambiguity and you can follow at the speed of the audio.
>>204742748It's just vocabulary and colloquial expressions that filter me. These are the words I didn't know and added to Anki today, some of them are so fucking specific I don't even know I'll ever see them elsewhere:>Morgue >Jacassement >Perruche >Athée >Chaux >Blanchir à la chaux (who the fuck even says this?) >Verrière >Meubler >Chevalet >Bière >Couvercle >Vis >Enfoncer >Détacher >Planche >Sarrau>Foulard >Bégayer >Dévisser >Tortiller >Teint >Chancre (wtf?)>Bandeau>Plat >FrelonAnd I don't understand why French people are so obsessed with the word "tout", they use for everything and they all have entirely different meanings:>Tout de suite>Tout à fait>Tout d’abord>Tout à coup>Tout en restant>Tout de même>Tout en haut>Tout au boutThe only grammatical rule I have some trouble with is the use of "en" as an adverbial pronoun, but most of the time it's not an issue.
>consciously thinking about grammarIt never even began...
>>204743973I don't think I've ever seen the word jacassement again in my reading but I could be wrong The rest are quite commonI think if you don't have obvious cognates in your NL of those then maybe you should consider working through a frequency list firstFor example A Frequency Dictionary of French by RoutledgeI assume you could just blitz through it as a romance speaker Anyway searching words up should take a few seconds so even if you searched up every word on a page it shouldn't take you an hour unless you're doing it in an inefficient way
>>204744383>A Frequency Dictionary of French by RoutledgeThe problem is that those frequency lists are all in English and it just doesn't feel right for me to study French with English resources.
>>204742633Considering you think you need to be intelligent to learn languages, you must be feeling like an absolute mega retard right now kek
>>204741364>(it's an unusual choice)not unusual at all, nobody learns continental portuguese, other than being spoken by 15 and a half people it's significantly ugly
>>204742633just keep grinding. keep grinding until your brain feels like it's going to explode and then grind some more. then go to bed and do it again tomorrow.
>>204744531t. Jocko
>>204744883yes.
>>204742748>If you download the tadoku graded readers on anna's archive there's audio for them available on tadoku's websitenice. I like these
>>204745151I forgot to name it>we don't do that IN GERMANY
>>204745151Some of the stories are pretty fun Like this oneHe gets sent to hell and he has to watch as his parents who were transformed into horses get whipped by demons
Any of yall use Tandem? Seems bretty gud but getting burned out by way too many messages and then lots of conversations just flaming out. Spent way too much time today fixing basic ESL mistakes and at this point idc how hot the other person is, they need to put some effort in.I Found some good regular partners though; of course my dumbass is getting a crush on someone who lives in the middle of nowhere...Also, some Brazilian women (and fags but that's expected) are really aggressive with the flirting...just me?
we are getting there brotherssoon all the hot nice french women will be ours
>>204730844Not really, or atleast there's enough mistakes its easy to catch. Can really tell when "bills" and "have" are read.
Who is the latina Shoe0nHead? I need input
a great resource for chechen learners. its a bunch of pdfs of books in chechen.https://vayvault.com
thoughts on her?
>>204750176none
>>204750176boring content, no personality, unattractive normie
>>204750176She's fat
just saw a video in kazakh and its crazy how it just sounds like asian russian. language truly is beautiful
>>204724156Pretty good. He still makes minor mistakes but he's understandable and his vocabulary is also quite large.
дoбpoe yтpo>>204753086>>204753086>>204753086
