>>215840714
Why are spanishers always pimping out their women tho

Those women only have sex with brown thugs from slums. White dorks and middle-class latinos like myself are completely invisible to them

>>215840831
Por que? The only latino guy I know irl has a smoking hot wife (excuse me for saying, but anyone with eyes would rate her at least 8/10), and he's a pretty average looking middle class guy.

>>215840714
gyatt

we're speedrunning to 300 replies now

>>215841118
Yeah can we have sexy guys next time?

do native speakers of your TL look down on regional or non-standard dialects?
how much socioeconomic value is given to speaking the standard, 'educated' dialect of your TL?

>>215840714
Im thinking of learning latin as i more or less understand french and italian writing and i deal with plants. Im hoping to freak people out with it too. Any tips where i can start? I tried duo lingo latin but it's meh.

>>215842052
It seems like Spanish speakers hate every dialect that isn't their own. Although Colombian Spanish might be the most generally liked in Latin America at least

>>215842212
Have you tried LLPSI

>>215842581
I like peruvian and platinean a lot. Though I still preffer our dialects.

Can anyone recommend a good Chinese deck, or shall I just make a mining one?

>>215842667
>LLPSI
Huh no I haven't. Thanks for the tip ill go check it out.

Spanish easy to get into but it's not that easy to get good at it.

>>215842212
Try reading the FAQ here. Thread is mostly autistic arguing THOUGH.
>>>/lit/24763657

>>215842212
lingua latina per se illustrata (and its supplements, there's a chart somewhere but i don't have it) with Neumann's companion for explanations when you don't intuitively understand the grammar.

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>>215841685
>poorly shot image of lifeless, soulless whores sticking body parts in the camera
there's nothing sexy about it

>>215840831
Become a rapper / reggaeton artist and you'll have these trashy hoes in your DMs 24/7

>>215842751
Yeah, I like those too. They have a nice and unique sound

How do you feel about the Caribbean accents?

>>215842052
>>215842581
It's funny how the European version of a language always sounds 'fancier' than the new world. This is true for English, French, and from what I can tell, Spanish and Portuguese.

>>215842751
I am the rare western hemisphere language learner that prefers Spanish pronunciation. I appreciate how ciento and siento don't sound the same in Spain, for example.

>>215842807
The grammar is pretty damn complicated, definitely harder than French grammar. The trade off is pronunciation is dead-simple in Spanish, whereas French is quite difficult.

>>215842767
"HSK levels 1 to 6 with audio: read, speak, and write" (cant send the link here?)

this one worked pretty good for me, I used it for hsk6

>>215844480
cheers

>>215842212
Fundamentally, you have to learn the case system and read a lot.

After a month of reading LLPSI Pars I: Familia Romana I tested through the entire duolingo course. The duolingo course is a proof of concept and not a real course.

Neumann’s companion is good with Familia Romana like one anon said.

My journey has roughly revolved around reading familia romana, and then around 10 chapters into familia romana I added in using LUTE to work my way through the gospel of John, then when I finished that I found I could pretty smoothly read scripture so I started just using a parallel translation to read a bunch. Since the vulgate is the easiest Latin text and it’s like 700k words long I can heartily recommend it as a long text to grind through once you’re at a point with Familia Romana where you can start reading since many classical author’s will be too difficult until after you have finished Familia Romana.

Latin’s initial learning hurdle is just the case system really. Once you get over that it has so much vocab carryover to Romance and English that you can pretty smoothly inpoot and make good progress. I found a lot of value in using dowlingswheel.com where I basically just repetitively typed out noun endings until they stuck and now I can recite the whole table from memory (do not actually do the whole Dowling method, it’s retardation to spend that much time studying grammar in advance, learn as you go and then systematize later).


It has drastically improved my sight reading of my long-dormant French, which I only learned in 2 years of grammar-oriented high school and never really learned. And I can also read large amounts of Spanish, Italian, and Portugeuse and mostly get it, especially the Bible.

>>215842827
The FAQ will tell you to use wheelock’s which only works if you are profoundly autistically dedicated to using the slowest and most tedious method possible or are committed to getting a 4 year degree in the classics. A bit of LLPSI + Bible had me reading many of the exercises late in Wheelock’s pages fluidly as long as I knew the vocabulary.

Systematically learning and then reading is like 10x as hard as reading/learning as you go and then systematizing later.

>>215845418
What is LUTE? I want to learn Latin so I can read religious texts.

>>215846092
Mattdoesjapan has a good video explaining the basics but basically it integrates whatever online dictionaries you want into the same page as a word reader that highlights all words you haven’t seen before, and if you want you can use it to build your own pop up dictionary, but I find it much more smooth to use yomitan as a pop up dictionary.

With a language like Latin you can start reading real texts day one, the question is just how much support from training wheels you need, and how much friction your method has. Using a physical text, grammar, and dictionary is high friction so using a program like LUTE minimized the friction so much that I even could find value in chipping away at advanced texts a sentence at a time. Building my own pop up dictionary was max training wheels while switching to yomitan has lowered it, while using a parallel text is minimal training wheels, and eventually reading without any parallel text or program at all is the goal, which I can do with some texts and is what LLPSI really excels at.

>>215846268
>Mattdoesjapan
Immediately everything else you typed is worthless.

>>215847701
he's got better japanese than some japanese people

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i have taken to only using jamaican patois as the output language when using google translate

How the fuck do I learn Ulster Irish in my room? There's nearly no sources. Am I expected to, what? Go outside and talk to people and take classes IRL? nah fuck off with that

>>215848364
RTE?

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wtf assimil, you can't say that.

>>215848416
No, that won't work. But I think you mean TG4. And even then, it's usually Connacht/standardised Irish

How soon are you supposed to start reading works in your TL? I don't think I know enough yet and I'm a little overwhelmed at the idea. If I used something like LUTE I would just be saving essentially every word on the page.

>>215848203
I think he meant to say that it's Mattvsjapan

>>215848775
As soon as you can read the script, IMO. The key is to just pick the right texts that are at your current level. If you're just starting out, that's going to be the chapter one dialogue in your textbook or Assimil or some random beginner A1 text you found online. Yes, you're going to have to save every word in the beginning, but they quickly add up and as long as you increase difficulty gradually and keep the texts short, the number of lookups will always be manageable. Another important thing is to review, every time you re-read a text, mark off any words that now seem obvious to you, this gives you an easy visual sense of progress and it keeps you motivated.

I wouldn't recommending powering through a novel, but it's not a bad idea to load one up as a future goal and just keep an eye on the known/unknown word ratio, eventually it will become readable.

>>215848203
Hes a shill and a scammer lol. Who gives a fuck what he thinks.
He is also short and self-conscious about it xd.

I'm afraid to admit it (to myself) but... I think I am a dabbler. I may have done a little bit of dabbling.

>What language(s) are you learning?
German
>Share language learning experiences!
I'm going to Germany in March, but I'm thinking about taking classes or giving up German. It's not even that I'm encountering any difficulties (a little with pronunciation and distinguishing between certain vowels, but I have the same problem with English) or that I don't like the language, I do, really. Just, idk, it's slower than I thought, words are weird, pronunciation is less intuitive than I thought, cool things are still incomprehensible. But I also saw a note in my calendar that I was supposed to have a year of learning French in November. And it got to me a little.
I also need to study English more. I dream of having a perfect Appalachian and Scottish accents. Japanese, Italian, Russian, Portuguese, Finnish, Turkish and a plethora of other hobbies are also waiting to be learned, and I'm not getting any younger
>>215840714
>>215840831
They don't seem that appealing desu

>>215840714
French words I learned today. There are thirty. I am just starting. How do I minmax French learning?
Il (he / it)S’est (reflexive pronoun + is)Rencontre (meeting / meets)Sous (under)Et (and)Dans (in / within)Treize (thirteen)Hommes (men)Également (also / equally)Frappés (to hit / strike / affect)Du (of)Même (same / even / self)Sentiment (feeling / emotion)Tous (all / everyone)Doués (gifted / talented)D’une (of a / of one)Assez (enough / quite / fairly)Grande (large)Énergie (energy)Pour (for)Être (to be)Fidèles (faithful / loyal)À la (in the manner of)Pensée (thought / idea)Que (what)Leurs (their)Eux (them / they)Ne (not)Point (dot / moment / score / issue)Se (oneself / themselves)Trahir (to betray)Alors (then / so / at that time)Intérêts (interests / attention / money interest)

My current view on optimal language learning methods
>Listening to sync'd audio and text with tracking and hover dictionary, frequently rewinding to listen to sentences not understood and look up unknown words. Rarely if ever pausing, only rewinding. Material should be graded/tailored to ones level but doesn't need to be tailored as strictly as the krashen hypothesis would suggest since instant word-lookup eliminates the reliance on needing to figure out unknown words from context. So material can be i+3 or i+2 rather than i+1
>One-on-one conversation with a native, preferably while engaging in some activity. This is how the fastest learners (french foreign legion, kpop trainees) learn - in an environment where theyre doing some task with native speakers and being given comprehensible instructions about that task in the TL. Previously you would usually need to join a group or organization or get a job with TL speakers in order to do this, nowadays you can do it via videogames or VRchat.
>Anki deck or other SRS system with TL on the back and native language on the front. Forces production skills to develop early, forces grammar to internalize early. This is basically how the youtube polyglots learn, and people make fun of them but it is very effective for speed-running basic conversational ability.
>Visualization mnemonics for word memorization. Not a method on its own but can be used whenever a new word is learned to help stick it into memory. Traditional method is the word-linking method which is more effective when used for languages that are more analytic and/or more phonetically related to one's native language, like chezch>slovak, english>spanish, or with fully analytic languages like indonesian. Not as effective with morphologically destructive or phonetically distant languages like korean. Theoretically, there should be much more sophisticated mnemonic systems for language learning, but there aren't. I'm working on making some based on phonetic mapping.

I don't think I'll ever get good at rolling my Rs... but I'll keep trying

>>215847701
Okay thanks for asking a question only to ignore my sincere response because a niche free software only has two youtube videos about it and only one actually discusses what it does.

I don’t follow ecelebs

>>215848364
Don’t. Learn classical irish or modern standard irish. Why learn a dialect of a dying language and not the classical common form or modern common form?

Beyond that. For languages with few resources, dictionary, grammar, actual texts, use internet to find what few like minded people exist.

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>>215851395
I've failed for years but that's ok I'll keep attempting that garbage

>>215848775
>If I used something like LUTE I would just be saving essentially every word on the page.
this is the point. You start with what is essentially in context vocabulary study, and then as you filter out the most common vocabulary it turns into intensive reading practice, and as you get farther and stick to at-level texts it turns into extensive reading practice.

>>215841253
The way they present themselves. Lack of modesty in women is strictly linked to being attracted to brown and/or thugishness.

>>215842581
>Colombian Spanish might be the most generally liked in Latin America at least
not at all, perhaps Argentinian or Mexican

t. South American

>>215843838
Spain's version sounds extremely rough, most cult accent is probably some very softened Colombian or Mexican accent.

>>215843146
>How do you feel about the Caribbean accents
Possibly the only accent rougher than Spain's accent

>>215852243
It's actually so humiliating not being able to consistently, kek. I feel like it's such an important part of unburgering your accent, too.

>>215852242
>Why learn a dialect of a dying language and not the classical common form or modern common form?
Because it's my duty to, or it dies. It's the language i'm supposed to be speaking

Modern standard irish is just a mixmatch of all three remaining dialects. It's not a natural dialect, it's a bridge between 3 for writing mainly. There's more sources for it. Perhaps I should just learn it so I have a good grip on the language and then more advanced sources will be viable for me to learn Ulster Irish. That's the only way I see how I can do this without having to go to some class or something

>>215852817
>Because it's my duty to, or it dies. It's the language i'm supposed to be speaking
holy based. do your best, anon

>>215852742
I don't care about having an accent as long as my speech is clearly comprehensible and doesn't sound unpleasant

>>215851395
Keep grinding, anon. I thought I'd never be able to do it, and I'm not good, but getting better all the time. Now I only *really* struggle on a few sound combinations. I doubt I'll ever sound close to a native speaker, though.

>>215852864
Isn't an obvious accent something that "sounds unpleasant" though?

>>215852915
Accents don't all sound unpleasant. Depends on the accent and who is listening to it, but I don't think most accents sound 'unpleasant'. They tell you the speaker is ESL, but usually it's not like nails on a chalk board or anything.

>>215852840
Thanks, I will do. I'm trying

>>215852817
>>215848364
Aren't there online irish tutors that are native ulster speakers? 90% sure there are. I think you're going to have to actually talk to people if you want to learn it

>>215853037
There probably is but I don't do that sort of thing, I don't even consider it as an option. I have autistic hangups about speaking over the internet and it and not in the "social anxiety" kind. I'm just a weirdo that keeps to themselves and I like to keep it that way. Simple

>>215853312
whats the point of learning it then, you're not going to keep it alive sitting alone in your room

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>>215840745
Latinos don't have a race, and this was a defining struggle in their identity in their history.
Their intellectuals saw the societies the White man built and compared to theirs, and correctly understood that it was due to the qualities of their respective races.
So a Mexican intellectual came up with the concept of the "Raza Cósmica" (cosmic race).
They are not a race, but they set out as a goal to create one, picking the best of whatever was available.

This is why Latinos will actually encourage their children and relatives to mix with Whites whenever possible, or the Whitest they can find.
They also actively discourage their kids and relatives from mixing with blacks or anyone darker than them. They call this "mejorar la raza" (to improve the race).
They are incredibly race-aware due to the fact that they have to live in a mutliracial shithole from the beginning so they never had any naive or delusional ideas like White liberals do.

This is something that is promoted from the institutions and has been for over a century.
Their TV dramas watched by millions are always about the cultured White and rich people and how browns (who only appear as servants or criminals for plot purposes) do whatever they can to mix with them.
They often will take White actors from other countries and teach them perfect Latin American Spanish from the

From your perspective it might look super "cucked" that they try hard to make their women go after you, but for them it isn't because they are not a race.
By convincing Whites to breed with them, they are absorbing them into their Raza Cósmica, improving their race, and therefore they are the ones winning by improving their bloodline.

TLDR: Latinos are ultra omega turbo racist White supremacists in a mad quest to create a new race, as White as possible plus whatever beneficial elements other races might contribute.
I'm not kidding and their institutions and governments historically have worked hard towards this.

Hey alright

>>215853366
I keep to myself generally and I want to learn it at my own pace in my room but that doesn't mean I never leave my room and don't talk to anyone ever. Come on now... that's not very fair
I don't live like that

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I find that I get way more value if I make my own flash cards so now that I've spent some time inputting I'm sentence mining by just typing the Routledge Japanese frequency dictionary word-by-word into an Excel sheet.

Maybe I'll start making it into Anki decks a section at a time. I find Anki much more fulfilling with a lot of subdecks so I would probably do every 500 at most, and perhaps as small as divisions of 100. I believe that the sample sentences are mostly if not entirely made of words from within the top 5000 so it should be a great way to study the core vocab.

Otherwise I'm just doing self-paced mining with ASBplayer/yomitan/anki when I find a word I want to bother with in a sentence I otherwise know.

What I really like about the routledge books is that the japanese list is a true no-BS frequency dictionary, so you don't get wackyness like I was dealing with with the core2k, instead the top 100 is almost entirely key grammar words. I wonder if Core2K is contaminated by dates at the head of documents such as newspapers because it's patently ridiculous how much of the first chunk of that deck is just dates.

>>215853312
Same, this is why I only learn Latin and Japanese because of reading for the former and watching for the latter. People stress me out. That's why I would recommend classical gaelic because there's a fairly sizable extant corpus and lots of resources on learning. If you're working alone and not to talk to people your approach should be reading-primarily.

People underestimate how many pages there are of deeply literary and worthwhile Latin works to read. It's a lifetime commitment to read through much of it at all. Maybe I'll try ancient greek someday.

>>215853731
That's a good point because it is one of the reasons I want to learn, so I can read a lot of old books. But it would benefit me more to learn old and middle Irish for that. But I think all this is beyond me for now. I should just start with standardised, then Ulster, and then see where I can go from there. Classical would be for reading poetry and religious texts I think

>>215853731
Also, If I can learn irish i'd definitely try learn Latin and ancient greek after. Good choice

>>215852817
>Because it's my duty to, or it dies. It's the language i'm supposed to be speaking
Thank you for giving the only valid response to my question. It’s possible classical Irish->Ulster might also work. I’ve considered scots gaelic for the same reason as my whole family is from the Hebrides.

>>215853914
“Classical” refers for Gaelic to the period between middle irish and modern irish and is otherwise sometimes called early modern irish. It used to be a learned language of meaningful renown. Queen Elizabeth is supposed to have learned some of it and we have surviving learning materials prepared for her in Latin/Gaelic.

What are /int/'s thoughts on reviving a dead language and creating a speech community surrounding it?

>>215853937
That would be cool. I would learn that too if I learn Ulster Irish, it would be easy from there
>>215853985
It's my understanding that "classical Irish" is like a very formalised "early modern Irish"
>Queen Elizabeth is supposed to have learned some of it and we have surviving learning materials prepared for her in Latin/Gaelic
I never knew that, and wouldn't had expected that. She said the Irish were barbarians who wiped their hands with grass instead of napkins. But then it was probably out of practicality, she had to deal with a lot of Gaeilig speakers through out her life

>>215853546
*books plane ticket*

This one is for La Raza Cósmica, lads.

>>215853991
Couldn't be me. If the language died, that means it was spoken by losers. I only speak languages of victory.

>>215854324
>inb4 learning japanese

brazils always say their women are just good looking to a minority and they turn into hanging skin tits after 30

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>Chinese
>Korean
>Japanese

In terms of difficulty, which is the most and least?

>>215853546
the whole fucking world is mindbroken by white people existing. it's so weird.

>>215855214
chinese is the hardest because it's a pitched language.

I noticed there's no discord soo...
Trying to build a language learning community :3
https://discord.gg/j9qHFm8Ke

>>215855385
retard

>>215855385
shame

>>215855385
discord is stinky

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>>215853546
>made for BWC

>>215856009
plapplapplapplapplapplapplapplapplap

>>215855214
Hardest to speak is Chinese.
Easiest to speak is Japanese.
Hardest to read is Japanese.
Easiest to read is Chinese.

>>215855250
>the whole fucking world is mindbroken by white people existing
Read that one again. It's mindbroken by the existence of Africans. Europeans just made a strong impression.

>>215855267
im a musician so it doesnt represent a big obstacle for me

korean is by far the hardest of the three for me

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>try to have the most technologically advanced language learning setup possible
>meanwhile cavemen learned fluent cavemanspeak in their caves
the cud could not be more chewed

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If you've learned one slavic language, you've learned them all (unless you learned bulgarian).

>>215857027
He doesn't use anki and he doesn't seem to use a popup dictionary either
He is old school

>>215857194
I'm actually pretty glad I took Russian in college for this reason

>>215857293
I know, I was talking about myself

>>215857194
Seems like good bang for your buck.

>>215843838
This person has never heard an andaluz

>>215857194
what about interslavic? worth learning?

>>215853546
If you follow this line of reasoning to its logical conclusion you get Asian Aryanism btw.

>>215855214
I've never studied Japanese or Korean so I can't comment on those, but Chinese is much easier than most people think

>>215858390
interslavic is great because slavic languages already aren't as phonologically distinct from one another like germanic languages. it only really makes sense if you already speak a slavic language though. it also doesn't mean you "understand" the other slavic languages, or that speakers of them understand you per se. it is best used for what it's been intended for: to bridge the linguistic gap between slavs. it does require you though to have an undersanding of slavic languages individually to know what words to choose to say to the slav you're talking to, and to understand what you're being told.
without a doubt though, it is possible the most effective conlang made to boost understanding between different peoples i've ever seen. interlingua for romance languages also seems to be quite effective, but i think medžuslovjansky blows it out of the water entirely
the biggest problem with it is that it's currently just an online community for the most part and there won't be much content made in it, but you also shouldn't fool yourself into thinking that by learning this, you could understand russian media effortlessly. you'd still have to learn to understand russian... best learn a commonly spoken slavic language first (if you want to maxx understanding then probably russian or ukrainian would be best (practically russian though, there isn't much worthwhile ukro media besides really good music once in a while) or maybe czech, because it's the weirdest mix of literally everything) and then interslavic

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very based word. though i noticed that in books, the two separate clauses are mostly written as individual sentences, which i don't like and therefore will never do because i have free will

>>215858834
Interlingua is excellent specifically for reading

>>215859177
i have no trouble believing that. sadly it's not really possible to do something like this for germanic languages (yes i'm aware of folkespraak, but it's not very good, as there cannot be a very reliable middle ground between germanic languages, they've become too diverse). all in all not a big problem for a german though, because dutch is very easy to get behind with a bit of grammar study, and learning a north germanic language also shouldn't be any issue to a german. for the others however...

>>215859115
Chinese has two words like this: 固然 诚然
Also very fun to use

>>215859334
what do they mean specifically?

>>215859377
固然 admittedly
诚然 it is true that

>>215859115
Particles in general are just fucked. Russian has a million and sometimes they're affixes

>>215859754
the russian ones often correspond almost 1:1 with the german ones, so i never really had a big problem with them. they use them almost even more than us though it seems

>>215859754
>>215859826
they have based words like "нeyжeли" though, where you intuitively understand what it means but when you think about how that word is constructed you're completely dumbfounded
i like it a lot

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I've been learning japanese for less than a month and I'm already finding mistakes in english subtitles

>>215859944
English subs are always ass.

>>215855214
CJK in that order.

徒 徙
These characters are the most annoying
They always trip me up because they are super rare and look almost exactly the same

my wife chino... I WANT TO FUCK CHINO
please chino is so cute my wife chino is so cute chino chan sex chino sex with chino i'd like some more kafuu chino sex with chino kafuu chino my wife cute is so chino wife

>>215859826 #
Same when Russian learning German.
I've known English since childhood, I speak it easily, and German has been added as a second language in middle school. Compared to the torment and childish tears with the English language, I easily felt myself in German. Sometimes I even got confused what language I speak.
I still maintain the basic level of the German language, but the older I got the worse it is to learn languages in general.

>>215862751
yeah, i also didn't expect russian to be so similar to german, even idiomatically. when i have to look up something in russian, i never felt like i didn't immediately understand what i looked up, it all just makes a lot of sense to me, very comfy language

>>215862912
In general, if you delve into history, it happened because the Romanov dynasty was mostly associated with the Germans (many of the emperors' wives are Germans, Catherine the Great is also German). Many Germans were brought into the country to exchange science/education, and the same potatoes (кapтoфeль/kartoffeln) were also brought to Russia by Peter I from Germany. In Russia, Germans are called нeмцы (нeмeц) because they didn't understand them, and нeм is abbreviated нeмoй. All full of meaning in this two languages.

>>215857194
Фaкти.

>>215859944
I don't know how it happened but "localization" of Japanese media into English nearly got taken over by people who just used Google Translate and made shit up.
This, of course, affected all other translations because they're based on the English one (I think there's like 40 Bulgarians fluent in Japanese and maybe 1-2 who could reasonably translate a book or a script).
Things have improved somewhat, but you will always need to learn Japanese if you want to truly understand the work.

Do native speakers of English sometimes have to look up song lyrics because they genuinely cannot tell what is being said? After having been able to speak for the better half of my entire lifetime, I still cannot get over this. Bear in mind that this happens to me not only more seldom, but almost never in any other language, and I understand a couple. I also noticed this happens more with frequently with American music than with British music, and often enough also in American film. Is there an 'American mumble' or am I slowly going insane?

>>215864413
>After having been able to speak for the better half of my entire lifetime
'speak English' is meant of course, I can confidently count speaking in general towards my set of abilities for a considerably longer time than that, believe it or not

>>215864413
Yeah but mostly instead of looking up the lyrics I just make it up

>>215864413
Yes it happens to people all of the time because of the way English songwriting treats rhyming structures. Doesn't have to be a true rhyme, lots of use of metaphors, and tone and aesthetic is usually values over pronunciation. A lot of British people even sing in an American accent.

>>215864413
Yes
Search up "mondegreen"
People have been doing this forever. It's more of a problem in English because the language relies a lot on stress and vowel reduction, which songs mess around with to fit their rhythm.
I'd give you an example but I'm lazy.

>>215864477
I had something like this recently in German, where I had misheard lyrics as something else (it was black metal) and when I looked it up and found out what he really said, I was kind of disappointed because I liked my version better, so I now just pretend he said what I thought he said. My song now, bitch
>>215864552
>the way English songwriting treats rhyming structures
I know they favor rhyming more than anything in general: in ads, in road signs, everywhere. Sometimes I think they believe if something rhymes it's more likely to be true or something... But for as far as music goes, I think everybody does this regardless of the language, also in regards to how syllables and entire words are bent to fit, alongside sentence structures. Take for example Japanese. I have never encountered a language where the sung language differs so crassly in sound from the spoken one than Japanese. In its sung form, you can make out every single syllable very clearly most of the time, as that seems to be their style for whatever reason, when spoken it's all "hontonittktkrstsktkstksktsktsktksrrskrststksktsktsteriteru desu."
The Americanized accent thing is funny to me though, but I guess Germans do that too. It becomes very apparent when you listen to pop music from the 90s or such, where they sing very clearly, in standard German, but they have this weird Berlin twang (for some reason almost all popular ones were from Berlin back then - the Berlin dialect is quite distinct from standard German).
>>215864845
Oh, thanks. I guess I will try to learn more about this because it's interesting. I was just really curious if after all I'm just bad at English or something, so it feels reassuring that at least it's the same for natives sometimes kek

Boomp

ayo... this spanish boy mad fr!

>>215867332
entiendo, aha mhm sí, cierto... mhm sí, verdad

>>215867332
The nigger has been played aswell, here's good nigger music for the feeling man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C-VscEQugk

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DBx9KtSvzg

Dreaming French has not uploaded a new video to their Youtube channel yet. Hoping this means the website content is finally going up.

>>215868188
He was also insulting people trying to learn spanish the other day...
I think he may have self esteem issues

>>215867332
spanish is one of the ugliest languages on earth

So do people actually learn languages here or is it another sperg containment general?

>>215869736
certainly plenty of people learning languages here, or looking for resources related to language learning; the spergs tend to be a bit more vocal and opinionated, though.

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>>215867332
thank you for telling it how it is

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hahaha you nerds are still learning dead languages? hahaha anyways i gotta go there are demons to defeat later nerds

>>215869736
hvis du uironisk lærer deg et fremmedspråk, er du en folkeforrædere og bør virkelig drepe deg sjøl. bare sier det...

what's the best app or course for learning chamicuro?

Hired a Japanese tutor straight from Japan. We will video chat. Little nervous.

>>215869736
Chan eil, chan eil duine sam bith ag ionnsachadh cànan sam bith an-seo

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IT'S UP !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwkEOG6_8_s

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man I wish I was younger. I want a 26 year old korean gf. But I want her to be older than me, I want to be 23. Tfw no korean noona gf buying me food and taking care of me

>>215871410
So you want a mother basically. Grow up and you might actually get a woman

>>215871538
silence, you will not shame me for my noona fantasy

>>215871230
sounds like fun. just remember that making mistakes is fine and the most valuable part of the interaction is the effort you're putting in to communicate
I did a couple lessons with an online tutor in the past, she was very nice, but i'm too much of a schizoid and i didn't have much to say...

>>215840714
Should I study polish or finnish just for fun?

>>215840714
If you know how much this pic repulsive me.

I hate the Spanish globohomo for creating the panchito and goblina races.

>>215872720
There's nothing fun about Polish.

>>215872958
>>215872720
>There's nothing fun about Polish.
I confirm

>>215873151
>>215872958
Sad to hear, I kinda prefer it just to confuse /int/ even more and that regular pole who posted in /asean/

>>215872842
they are very pretty women but misguided. i wish they would be opposed to having such photos taken of themselves and just be happy people instead

>>215871710
>i didn't have much to say...
Fuck. Even in English, a lot of times I just dont have much to say. The lesson is for an hour too. Thats going to be forever if I have to have things to talk about. I hope this doesnt end up being hellish for me.

In my mind I pictured her showing me the basics, guiding along the interactions and how I respond.

>>215873633
Tak, you could try, but it's fuckin' hard

>>215872720
Finnish has like 10 more cases but is somehow way easier.

>>215873782
I'm sure she'll just meet you at your level

>>215873782
well it was like that because I was looking for conversation practice-- my own lack of small-talking skill notwithstanding.
since you're hiring her, you get to indicate to her what you want: if you're looking to go over the basics and she knows that's what you want, she'll be down to do that. the more experienced she is as a tutor, the more she'll know how to carry along a lesson.
but if you're asking for "conversation practice" then she will want you to engage in the conversation, of course. just tell her exactly what you want, whether you want traditional lecture-style grammar lessons, informal discussions, reading practice, or whatever. and if you don't like her vibe, you can always find another tutor.

>>215869736
Yeah
>>215872720
Yeah

i want to learn dutch or Russian because i want a wife from there ;)

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>watching a video on which is the most difficult language on Earth; Arabic, Madarin, or Japanese

>this is a real madarin character
Christ lol. Imagine writing this.

Which languages are best for money and women? German? French?
>>215875156
Both have difficult phonology, Dutch has easier grammar and perhaps vocabulary, but there are more Russian speakers and more content. But I'm surprised a bit bc Russians and Dutch are quite different nations.

>>215875281
It's like the Welsh town with a long name though, it's a meme designed to be whacky and poke fun at the language, it's not somethjing that would ever occur "naturally".

>>215875940
Ah okay, that makes more sense

>>215875281
The most annoying one which you might have to frequently write in simplified is maybe 囊 or 疑

If you include traditional it gets a bit more complicated with ones like 籲,鬱,and 艷 or 灩

>>215875281
That is what... 9 readable signs?
Its just a gigantic emoji.

>>215876551
If you squint, it's a soyjak

>>215876551
More like 12
穴足月幺言幺长马长刀心

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Which board would be the best for gathering collaborators for an invented language?

>>215877732
/lgbt/

>>215871350
私は今、Duolingoをインストールしています。

>>215877850
this
Troons love conlangs for some reason

Where can I find a pimsleur mobile app premimum apk? I have the audio files but I like the apps features teebeeach

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>>215842052
Kinda unrelated because it's my native language but Egyptian Arabic speakers from the north really look down on people with a southerner Sa'idi accent because it's associated with poor low class farmers and retarded uncouth barbarian immigrants. I svffer immensely because of this because i have a heavy southern accent and i suck ass at imitating the Cairene accent because it sounds gay. That is all.

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I hate college so much bros. I haven't been able to study anything about my TL since the semester began. Any free time to study is just dedicated to some fuckass exam I need to pass

>>215878936
That blogpost could've been in your TL you furry nigger

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>>215878936
>he fell for the college meme

>>215878936
Read or watch lectures in TL about the topic you're studying.

>>215878216
It is the autism.

When will I be fluent?
Please respond.

Learning 2 languages at the same time is based actually, just need to have a lot of free time.
Japanese media is so ass I get bored after 1 hour now that I'm at 98% comprehension so switching to something else makes me able to study 4 hours total a day including anki gooning.

I'm so sick of their general autism and weakness I might just drop jap and do like 10 minutes a day to maintain so I can still easily fuck cuties when I go there every few years. They're so docile and tight.

>>215870929
Qua lingua putas daemones uti?

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>>215879917
Whenever you get there

>>215880042
Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn I just want to know how much longer fuckkk.
It's taking so longgggggggg, jesus.

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It's been 26 days since I've started studying Modern Standard Arabic with Pimsleur. It's going well cause I study the Anki deck related to the cassette. Suggesting it to those wanna study MSA.

Does cyrillic have a "proper" way to write its letters like how Chinese characters have a specific stroke order? It always feels like I'm drawing these letters instead writing them, if that makes sense.

>>215880337
Yes, Cyrillic cursive. There's a "proper" way to write Latin letters as well, like how in handwriting you only write a as ɑ

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>>215878936
You are bad at studying if you cannot do you education and hobbies at the same time, lol.

>>215879978
rn i watch 30-45 minute lets play episodes in 6 languages.
its a lot of fun
spanish, french, german, japanese, tagalog, mandarin.

>>215880363
I think I worded my question poorly but I'm not too sure how to ask it either. I meant if cyrillic letters are meant to be written in a specific way, like the line order and such. I know with Chinese 是 is written starting at the top line, are there rules like that with Ж or something?

>>215875156
>dutch
They genuinely speak English better than most of the UK. Its pointless to learn.

>>215878936
How is your program so tough?

>>215881440
They probably spend all their free time playing vidya and gooning on reddit.

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>>215880337
I got you brah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r93sOAuZZYQ

>>215881563
I love you

>>215880460
Sounds more like you just aren't studying anything worthwhile if you have enough free time to learn a language

>>215881853
if it's an easy language like german or spanish you can just switch your entertainment to the TL, doesn't even take any extra time from your day

>>215878776
unfortunately this sort of linguistic discrimination exists everywhere. even lefties who are "woke" will still discriminate against people based on accent. And it's self-perpetuating, because upwardly mobile strivers will naturally imitate what they perceive to be 'upper-class' accents in an attempt to distinguish themselves, and subsequently look down on 'lower-class' accents.

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Simple as

>>215880463
who do you watch in Spanish?

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>>215883416
I learn languages purely to talk to asian cuties

>>215883752
Have you gone on OmeTV yet? I'm pretty excited to talk to natives on there once I get more confident with my TL, I think it'd be fun

>>215883427
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeckYyL5nWRpj9dWADFB8YvU3fHdj6Vrt&si=7SQTQbIbNCkwOW3O

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>>215851395
>>215852243
>>215852742
>rolllets

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>>215884415
I'll get there in time

>>215880463
What are your levels in each of these languages?

>>215884532
from best to worst:
mandarin (practical fluency and literacy)
french (high comprehension low output)
spanish, japanese, tagalog, cantonese (understand something every sentence, can say a variety of basic phrases)
german (understand a phrase once every 60 seconds, can say less than 10 phrases)
cantonese gets grandfathered in solely due to mandarin knowledge

>>215880183
Anyone know where I can find anki decks for the modern courses?

How much worse are the old courses?

>play VRchat
>Go to anglophone servers
>rude avatars, annoying voices, people are unpleasant, loud, pushy
>Go to Korean server
>Pleasant voices, polite, friendly, nice, relaxing atmosphere

why are westerners such animals

>>215885268
Without God, East Asians are better than us. In an athiest or pagan society, we're unpleasant savages tbch. Meds were the only >white people that weren't living in stick huts before Jesus.

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I think Anki is fun and fulfilling

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Let me guess, you need more?

>>215885268
You should play Starcraft if you want to see the true nature of k*reans

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Imagine needing more than this.

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Just do this!

I WILL learn my TL entirely through listening to cute girls speaking in videos and you WILL NOT stop me.

>>215885770
I started playing starcraft like 22 years ago

>>215885781
drinking beer plus being fat, amen bruddah

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>>215885837
>the period since SC2 came out is longer than the period between SC1 and SC2

kill me please

>>215885995
>most of 4chan wasn't even alive when World of Warcraft came out

>>215886103
There's no way you genuinely think this

>>215885995
That's not what's actually upsetting. The upsetting part is that kids have turned to smartphones as their primary computer.
We have seriously regressed as a civilization.

What the bloody hell is this op

Faka phonetoc cognates :
अख़बार / أكبر

>>215886260
if i could time travel i'd take my 12 year old self's computer and smash it on the ground and set it on fire

>>215885995
that's crazy

>>215885995
I've still never played starcraft 2. as soon as I found out it was going to be 3 different games you have to buy I was out.

thread go up

on the train to work, ankigooning on my laptop. all is right in the world. (i am hungover and had the most refreshing shower)

>>215888714
Can you kill yourself please

Giving up on Japanese for 6 months and doing Latin that whole time might turn out to be a blessing in disguise because I spent so long systematically memorizing and dealing with Latin's hyperirregular grammar that now coming back to Japanese I'm spotting way more grammar patterns. If I knew Japanese grammar was this regular and easy (just alien) to learn I probably would've stuck with it the first time, but I just gotta get back on the bike.

>>215888714
Lmao ur gay tinyurl link doesn't even work.
Maybe someday I'll have to create a circlejerk for my pond-gnome speech with Mandarin-style hyper analytical grammar where the only requirement for a word to be entered into the lexicon is if it sounds sufficiently whimsical.

Example:
>I consumed water
>Wib dibble doob den

>You are a retard (slow-person)
>Wob zum lumdrik

>My library (I possessive [written noun + storage/box])
>Wib ling scriddeegork

Maybe I'll have to add an article/indefinite article for clarity's sake. But the goal is for it to sound as whimsical as possible with as basic and regular a grammar as is reasonably clear. But frankly I don't want anyone outside my tight-knit circle of friends who already knows my nascent lexicon and can unironically speak and respond in what few sentences can logically exist so far.

>>215888908
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2QfG24_QGk

>>215888970
Yeah like that except usable and I actually am deciphering it word for word gradually from a 1/4 inch-sized diary I found next to the pond in my garden.

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Just downloaded hellotalk everyone here is so intimidating

>>215889487
It's a dating app

>>215889487
Just bee yourself
Brown people love goofy yt people

I love learning!!!!!!!!!!

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>>215885837
I am sorry for you.

>>215890072
KILL YOURSELF NIGGER

>>215890714
You'll never ever EVER make it because you don't love to learn!

coptic
>gives access to coptic christian texts
>gives access to most gnostic apocrypha
classical chinese
>gives access to taoist texts
>gives access to mahayana buddhist texts
>gives access to confucian/neo confucian texts
>gives access to chinese/korean/japanese/vietnamese history

these two ancient languages seem underappreciated

>>215884970
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/795067620
Do you mean this? If not, search any lang here:
https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks

>>215891086
Is there anyone who can speak classical Chinese out loud in a reconstructed pronunciation

>>215891086
CC is the third most studied classical language (behind Latin and Greek)
most high level Chinese speakers will have studied some of it
there is a substantial amount of English-language literature and textbooks about CC

>>215891461
not really
theres no point

>>215881853
When I did my physics bachelors I was still able to engage in all my hobbies. When I did my engineering masters I could also engage in my hobbies.
Skill issue on your part.

>>215848364
Raidio na Gaeltachta plays a mix of dialects all throughout the day. And TG4 has some Ulster content too if I remember correctly. The Irish dialects are broadly mutually intelligible so if you are going to learn the language you'll probably be exposed to them anyways.
However, the best way would be to get in touch with native speakers as soon as possible; try not to fall into the trap of emulating the speech of second-language speakers.
I don't know what the situation is like where you are but in Galway, when you walk into a bookshop there is usually an Irish section with books ranging from learning materials to literature written by natives for natives.
Here's a site for pronunciation: http://fuaimeanna.ie/ga/
>>215852242
Classical Irish is a dialectical, non-standardised language that is less mutually intelligible with the current standard language than its dialects

>>215889487
No one wants to learn Indonesian. They only want to fuck brown SEA girls.

>>215889487
Don't use language exchange apps. Find people to talk to irl

>>215894570
Plenty of people learn indonesian, it's basically a meme in the language learning space for being the easy asian langauge.

>>215894570
I want to learn it, but it's a lower priority than the ones I am currently learning. I will learn it next though.

why do germanic languages have so many vowels

anyone have decks for spanish and german that are 10k words with audio? all are either 10k words with no audio or 5k words audio

>>215897496
5k brings you to like 95-99% of all used words in a given sentence and I dropped anki for Spanish completely at like 3000ish and went for complete immersion. Last year I passed the SIELE C1.

>>215897562
2 years for c1?

>>215890271
there are only two distinct sounds coming from these headphones and those would be marine death screams and and mario erotica

>>215897793
>mario erotica
average Italian learner

hey anons. I have come here today to remind you all to do the work. remove distractions from your life. find something to focus on and crack on with it. don't worry much about your method. the important thing is that you're trying to use the TL and you're willing to put in the necessary amount of time.

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>>215899236
Get the fuck out.

>>215897174
Umlaut

>>215897562
I just got a deck, was debating on if i should learn spanish but now because of what you said ill do it

>>215891676
Beyond that there’s like a billion native mandarin speakers and everyone above a certain grade receives some education in it

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>>215899236
>don't worry much about your method
Slow learner cope. Everyone knows that language learning is a competition. You have to be the fastest. Life is a race. Kachow.

Just for fun I was taking an English proficiency test (A1-C2). My native language. Whats wild to me is all the random rules English has that I just know how to do. Things I have never consciously acknowledged. Its just mind blowing to me that you can have this so embedded in you.
Natural language learning is such a wonder. There has to be a way to learn a second language more naturally instead of constant Anki.

>>215901418
>There has to be a way to learn a second language more naturally instead of constant Anki
There is. You simply move to the nation, get adopted by a native who will raise your adult ass as a child and then after 16 years, let you go off into the world.
You will gain the language from this to a much higher degree of proficiency than any ankifag.

>>215901418
That's how most esl learn it, but is better when you're young and you tolerate not knowing things. I spent hours reading and listening to shit i didn't understand (AVGN, 4chan, comic books) but now i need a little vocab and a little grammar for languages in progress to be tolerable.

>>215899236
i can do it... i can do it...

>>215901539
what if I hired one of those super cheap online tutors to talk to me like a child for 40 hours a week

time for the top 10 slop grind

>>215901750
Possibly. 168 hours in a week, children are awake for at least 70 hours a week. Aim for 70.

>>215897562
Did you only use anki to start out?

>>215901418
>There has to be a way to learn a second language more naturally instead of constant Anki.
It's called Comprehensible Input and IMO it's the proven best method of learning a language. Anki is for supreme autists only and a waste of time for most people. I would even argue it could potentially create bad habits. The ONLY drawback with Comprehensible Input is there's a lack of adequate CI content for some languages. It's much harder to learn by input if you just jump into watching media in your TL though I'd say it's doable with time.

>>215903058
Anki does help with memorizing things, but I wouldn't touch it if I wasn't learning Japanese and had to remember kanji and their readings. The only way to actually learn a language is to use it and use it constantly

>>215901418
>There has to be a way to learn a second language more naturally instead of constant Anki.
Yeah, regressed as a kid. Or at least have a kid's brain.

>>215901418
Let me try to shock you, everyone knows that "wanna" is short for "want to", yet check out these two sentences:
>Who do you want to take Jenny to the party?
>Who do you wanna take Jenny to the party?

>>215903420
I will admit that something like Anki would probably be useful or even vital for a language where you have to learn a system of characters completely alien to you. I'm considering giving Mandarin a shot one of these days but I don't see how I could possibly learn the language exclusively using CI.

Just set up lute on my server. Any tips for maximizing my gains?

Should I create an instagram account for content slop in my TL?

I've heard that scandinavian languages are easy to learn. Is it true?
And if they are, is it feasible to learn one of these languages (norwegian, swedish, or danish) as a sort of"extra" language while I learn another, more difficult one?

>>215853546
Kinda, I mean I'm a mutt but I mostly look indigenous( I'd say about 80%) so I don't have race identity problems.
But you're right about the obsession for mixing with whites

I might dabble in Chinese to pick up Chinese qts
Use it like a party trick to break the ice

>>215904154
if it helps you sure, but i think you should ask yourself what it is that you surround yourself with in english daily because you care for it, and try really hard to look for ways to either replace that with TL content OR add it to your routine. the normie sloppa will start to annoy you once there is barely anything to be learnt from it anymore (which happens quickly), so it's more valuable to combine language learning with things that resonate with your personality anyway from the getgo. this way study doesn't become torture

>>215903625
>>Who do you wanna take Jenny to the party?
Have more people been to Russia than you have?

>>215904625
I used to do this but it got boring bc they all say the same things and ask the same questions

>>215901221
yeah, but the best method gets nothing if the learner never uses it, you know?

>>215871410
>>215871563
based
>>215871538
cringe

>>215904094
Use short texts that are close to your current level and review them in spaced out intervals until you can mark off 80-90% of the words as known. Add audio and listen while you read so you know how everything should be pronounced. That's pretty much it, if you are consistent at it, you will make progress.

>>215907130
Online or irl?

>>215907532
both
I ran into some crazy bitches online after a few weeks tho (including one that kept messaging me every few weeks for A YEAR AND A HALF even though I never replied) so I switched to irl only after that
anyway, I stopped when I got with my current gf, which was about two years ago. Now my Chinese level is much better and I can talk basically on a native level, so it's less of a party trick and more yeah I actually do speak Chinese.

what will learning languages be like in 2030?

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i started learning russian in 2022 when zigger memes were in full force and i unironically bought into all of it until late 2023 and i spent a year in a post soviet country to sharpen my skills and it lowkey sucked. never learn this stupid ass language.

any girls on /int/ wants to practice spanish with me?

Did Hypertts just fuck over their add on for no reason?

>>215907856
Valuable lesson.

>>215903058
>anki bad
>inpoot gud
Okay, give me the roadmap for Modern Standard Arabic then.

Recently I have been looking into my direct family lineage, and I have discovered that it can be traced back to French nobility from over 1000 years ago.
Do I have to learn French now?

>>215909405
Yes

Has anyone tried to learn Burmese before?

will learning Japanese make learning Korean any quicker or not really

>>215909722
Yes

>>215909722
>will learning X language make learning Y language any quicker?
literally never, it always makes more sense to focus on whatever youre actually trying to learn

>>215903625
I wouldn't even be able to explain to an ESL why the 2nd one is wrong. It's like when they use "I'm" in the """right""" way but it's actually just wrong

>>215910380
worst part about going abroad and living with a host family is having host siblings who expect you to explain every nuance of the english language. my head was literally spinning when they kept asking questions about like past perfect perfective or whatever. i legit would fail half of my english class tests cause it was all retarded grammar

>>215907845
>learning
it will be entirely chatbots doing slop translation of slop written by other bots

I think we have conclusively proved that the lust provoking images keep the thread alive
This thread literally had zero bumps

>>215910529
Go to the app store on your phone. This is already happening in 2025.

>>215910380
If you want to know, the explanation is that wanna (and gonna) started out as a contraction (of want to) but behaves as an auxiliary verb (like "can", "must", etc).
In that sentence 'want to' is not an auxiliary for 'take' (what you are asking is 'who' do you want to do something) so it can not be replaced by wanna.

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>>215909721
Burmese people are so retarded to talk to
>Where city are you from?
Burma
>Oh neat, what town?
Mondo
>*google it, fucking nothing shows up*
>Oh thats cool, what state is it in?
Is in a lot of pain
>I see, what geographical state?
We are in great pain to eat and drink

like holy hell compare this to talking to africans who are like "yeah jihadists control half our country, but its chill my town is safe"

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>>215910825
>learning valuable information about my native language from fucking luigi

>>215909722
There's no world in which learning one language before your original target language will make you learn the target language quicker. Just think of it this way: All of the time you spent learning the auxillary language could have been spent learning the original language you wanted to learn. But with that said, if you learn one language and then decide to learn related language after you've become at least intermediate in your original target language, it can help give you a leg up. I shot to an approximation of low-intermediate Spanish pretty quickly when I started learning it just because I was already upper-intermediate level in French.

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>>215903058
I’ve found Anki useful for bridging the gap to CI for Japanese but totally worthless and a distraction for Latin outside of grinding grammar, and even then there were more effective ways of doing that.

CI is king and Anki is just one of many tools for getting you able to comprehend input. It can be incredibly useful for targeted study but is not a cure-all.

>>215909405
Every European is descended from Charlemagne