Previous Floor:>>48684159Beginner guide, FAQ and links: https://rentry.org/8vkawNew child mechanics guide for Elona+: https://pastebin.com/7is8p4NFElona+ Custom-GX continued branch: https://github.com/JianmengYu/ElonaPlusCustom-GXExtra sprites/PCCs: https://elonaup.x0.com/sozai/index.htmElin EA (use a Steam Emulator like Goldberg): https://gofile.io/d/JiSjhhElin Wiki: https://ylvapedia.wikiElin Player Guide-Compilation: https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Player_Guides
fuck I forgot the title
Welcome backy
Do teleporters have a range? My base is Meadow and my second place is next to Mysiliasecond is is 1 snowman gen, teleporter and lv1 hearthstone, I set ID to 2 but it still doesn't work?
>>48715334must be level 5 (network) to connect
>>48715347fugwhat's fastest way to level up the new place
>>48715351>mine stone>hammer stone to junk stone>stonecutter junk stone to pebbles>sell thousands of pebbles
>>48715202I feel exhausted after a session of this game
is there a way to force my pets to attack a training dummy
>>48715517I don't think you can target like in Elona
>>48715202Opa-ko!
Finally a real mod
>>48715602i look like this and laugh like him
>>48715602are all the apostles female?...
>>48715646No, but she isIt doesn't really matter since you can hormone potion any pet to change their sex
>>48715351pioneers level it up pretty fast if you keep resident slots capped with them
Huge number of new flashy melee weapon enchantments dropped on nightly, assigned to various weapon typesCalled it, this is the direction it's going instead of stamina wizardry
Finally back to pre farmer nerf levels
>>48715883there a changelog or does nightly just dump random shit without warning
>Unique resident meat now has lower quality.Noa is still going after the corgon butchersFor every corgon butchered the melee update will be delayed by a week at this rate
>>487153513 or 4 pioneer residents bumped my cave to level 7 in just a few months of me being away while occasionally dumping berries from my farm into it
>>48715919
>>48715919Mokyu!
>>48715947is that real? whats the point of the butchers tool at all then if thats what it gives
What is delegated farming?
>>48715869nice
>>48716028the autofarm, you need a shared container, no npcs needed
>pickup armored training dummy>it has 320pvah yes the untouchable training dummy
>>48716028housing policy that automatically replants harvested crops if there's a leftover shrub/frame
Is there any way to give a regular mob a custom standing texture (not portrait) without it replacing all mobs with that texture?
>>48716123ESCtexture viewer?????? find whatever you want???????? just like make texture
>>48716168ESL? Re-read my message, I don't want all the mobs to have the same changed sprite
>>48716179use tight rope on yourself
>>48716168thats for all npcsnot individualapply yourself
>>48716193esl rage
bunch of new random melee weapon enchantments added to the latest nightly
>>48716123https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375278123give your waifu a custom portrait then use the mod to give npcs with that portrait a custom texture
>>48716294wow thanks anon this is perfect
>>48716242Jure Lance now have pursuit 20I can't missMeelee is saved.
sprite bad evili enjoy pcc good holy
>>48716390Apparently this is not even part of the melee update, so there should be more things to come.
>multiattack>aoe>interrupt action>attack of opportunity on evadeThese new weapon enchants are pretty cool ngl. Hope for melee update is rising
>>48716925Forgot to mention, they get retroactively applied to all weapons you own, at least on nightly. My forget me not now has a decent multi attack proc effect
>>48716011The point of butchering is to permanently remove an npc in exchange for meat. Circumventing that by using plot-critical npcs who respawn should not give equal results.If you want a steady supply of dragon meat, go tame dragons and ranch them.
>>48716011>>48717138From my experience. You mass tons of livestock and pasture, they shit dozens of fertilized eggs, then you hatch them and butcher them.Shame we can't automate it.....
>make bonito flakes from a bonito>it's not called bonito bonito flakes
>>48717760and yet I'm pretty sure that if you make crim ale from a crim it gets called crim crim ale
So, is it the time to start an Oath of Eternity Warrior?
>>48718117Yeah melee's looking a lot more interesting just from the enchants.Just learned they're actually tied to the weapon type, so you can cross train and keep certain weapons for AoE, multi attack debuff with intonation, and other cool stuff.Hope noa will drop some skills that are just as promising.
Some secret admirer is sending me feat points. This is the second one I got in the mail
Did this melee update also buff monsters? Do monsters can also have weapons with enchants? If so fuck me.
How to know which equipment slots a creature has?
>>48718402Haven't tested it thoroughly but I presume humanoid/weapon-weilding enemies get it too, no reason they shouldn't. More reason to be careful around that upleveled samurai or lizardman, but since not all enemies are weapon wielding, it's still a pretty big net buff for melee PCs
>>48718442https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CJqsXFF2FLlpPz710oCpNFYF4W_5yoVnfind them in the "Chara" sheet to learn their racethen go to the "Race" tab and check the "figure" column for that race to get a list of slots (as kanji)
>>48718546where did you find this?
>>48718212Wouldn't bet my food rationing stamps on it. Special actions were scant few in vanilla or omake, and doubly don't work when Elin uses stamina as a measurement of daily action economy. God spacts already don't see use to the point where absorb mana was buffed to like 3x its old values to even begin to compensate and still aren't used because that stamina is needed to survive fatal blows.For better or for worse, the weapon enchantments are the skills imbued in equipment, and it's a genuinely different playstyle in approach and gearing considerations. Warriors should depend far more on their gear than any other archetype.
>>48718593https://elin-modding-resources.github.io/Elin.Docs/
>>48718827>Melee characters depend on gearAs in any other RPG
is martial arts even viable
finally my +60 polearm and shortsword gear will have an use
>>48718931It's a good thing because when you loot or craft a good piece of gear, it gives you a far greater power boost than it would another archetype. It's a bad thing because a lot less of your power is innate and you can feel like you're not progressing compared to other archetypes if your loot is bad.
Does pasture, cattail silver grass ever wither/rot/freeze? Do I need to defertilize it?
didnt knew if you put a sign in a room it covers the whole room
>>48719124Once Loytel spawned a whale.Suffice to say, I traded and stole it from him.I died from getting squashed but it was worth it.
>>48719127it stops growing like with other crops for some reason even if it grows fine in winter wilderness tiles
>>48719192Im using it for purely decorative purposestrees for instance if not defertilized will repeatedly go through the growth->mature->withered->growth cyclewhich can be good for certain trees if you don't care for their constant leaves/bush
>>48719208yeah then probably should defertilize them before winter hits
Are there multiple dragon types? I heard someone mention a bahamut. I've yet to find a dragon at all
>>48719282Gorgon's not a real dragon by the way.Gorngo's nothing but an oversized livestock.
hmm gorgon eggs
i killed fiama in willow, will she respawn?
>>48719493Everyone respawns unless killed for plot reasons.
Do moongates not keep the season/climate you published with? My base was made next to Noyel, why the hell is it even allowed to be not-winter, it looks so off
>>48719572not you but why are there two different moongates?starweaver (green) and a normal blue one?
>>48719585Blue will take you to random places, green lets you choose places you've been to before.
>>48719602I found caveanon's place from the blue portal!
Anyone ever encounter an issue where crops in tents just don't seem to grow anymore? I've got a sun lamp in there with enough electricity to power it and am meeting the fertility limit but one day the crops inside the tent just stopped growing past a certain stage. They were producing crops fine for a while so not really sure what the cause is.
Why do you fags not update the OP with the elin modding resources Noa himself provided in the discordEvery time it gets posted someone goes >wtf where did you find this???
>>48719634I had that with an indoors sun lamp farm a couple of patches back. Just stopped growing for no apparent reason.Started working again but don't know what fixed it, tried various things including replacing the lamps and there was an update too that could have sorted it out.
>>48719760I'll try replacing the sun lamps for now and if that doesn't work try replacing the current set of crops completely. I've actually had this issue before about a month back weird that it's coming back.
Does anyone know if residents or pets will steal blankets and bandages from a shared container? I know they steal from shared inventory bag/container... I want to make my main storage shared but it's holding my Item category as well and I don't want them rummaging in it.
>>48720456They will but why are you not using filters
>>48720468I made one giga-storage chest but I never made a separate item container
What's the benefit of Magic domain/damage? The wiki says>Elemental damage reduction (up to 1/3) depending on magic resistanceSo... it's basically less resisted compared to other elements?
>>48719603comfy cave life
>>48720587Is there a way to draw on those papers in a 3rd party app? Like how texture replacement works?
>>48720597not sure soz, i just did mine in game
I want to play a warrior, but I hate how it limits you to races with high HP and wraith.Stats and potential don't matter in the long run, but life does. Having 40% more HP just because of race is huge for a tank/frontline. Starting without 100+ life feels like crippling my character or dooming myself to become a mage/support in the endgame. Fairies at least have 180 speed to compensate. Most aren't that lucky.I mean, you can take executioner to use your huge mana pool, but that limits you to only one class option.There's nothing to compensate for low life. Feats only give you +20 and that's pretty expensive. You can pretend everything is fine and just avoid getting hit, but that's not the way of the warrior.And btw, opatos hammer gives you +100% hp. If you don't use it, you don't play a warrior, which further kills the choice to literally three options:1. Play as a 120+ life race + hammer.2. Play as a 120+ mana race + executioner.3. Play as a wraith and FINALLY have a full choice of gods and classes, at the cost of feeling like a cheater with mb2 all the time.That or you'll run around like a pussy while others get hit for you.
>>48720647What bothers me is how Executioner's basically a better Warrior in all aspects.Wish Warrior had something else in place of Shield skill
>>48720654Weapon mastery needs a serious buff.
>>48720701>+25% melee bonus isn't enough
>>48720716Wait, really?Any code/info/patch notes on this?
>>48720647I assume you want to be the beefcake tank yourself? I'm on the frontline with a fox but have 2 tanks and a mount that take almost all hits away from me.One issue is just how much easier it is for a pet to be your tank since you can just slap massive endurance genes on them and celestial fox tail. Fox Maid and Misaki are tougher than golems.
>>48720735So the only way out is to focus on damage while the fox girls from your harem play the support role?There's even less choice - wraith/executioner and crits. And you will most likely be outdamaged by your other pets anyway.
Why are there gooner paintings of Larneirre? Is she actually slutting it up?
>>48720792I should've mentioned I'm not a warrior/executioner, I'm going amped up wet+elemental scar sword sage with lightning intonation.(Paladin could work too with support)The damage loss when I switch to 'reliable' holy intonation is massive, I can only assume this is what regular melee players have been suffering through all this time. Not really sure how non-lightning melee can amp their damage beyond what I'm doing other than unique weapon effects like earthhammer.
>>48720926damage isn't the issueit's enemy damage chunking even after 400PV or spells dealing pure damage because resistances are bullshit to reliably get and OHKO anyways
>>48720936I haven't had much issue with physical attackers aside from 1 shot Innos, spells on the other hand fucked me for a time. It all came down to just stacking resistances which is a bit of a boring answer, more HP is certainly nice but against casters it's just a choice of dying in 1 or 2 hits.
>>48720936oh and miss chancehigh level mobs get insane dodge despite low looking DV because of their DEX
>>48720926>Not really sure how non-lightning melee can amp their damage beyond what I'm doing other than unique weapon effects like earthhammer.Cut-spamming muscle-wizard, I guess. Unless it's a robot with cut immune. But I haven't tested it.
I appreciate how you can still use other spells that aren't your domain, all you gotta do is get lucky and find one really good base spellbook, bless it, dupe it 7x, and now you can spam it to your heart's content.
Noa should add a "private sign"you can make rooms private so NPCs don't enter itbut unless you make a whole outdoor area a room, it's kinda annoyingespecially if you have an open water area and NPCs keep going into it - gotta either wall it off or something, height, etc
>>48720961I got lucky finding this I think, the effects are whatever but rubynus has the highest accuracy modifier. I'm pretty sure there's a type of neck piece that increases accuracy too, but that means losing the ribbon which sucks. Also using weakness debuff
First time I have seen this
>>48720583pls respond
>>48721028I was waiting for someone else who might know, all I can say is the wiki has been wrong before.My read was that it took 1/3 of your magic resistance and added it to other resistances, which sounds odd to me.
>>48721028>>48721054jp wiki says魔法の耐性に応じて属性のあるダメージを軽減(最大1/3)
>>48720869She isn't born yet anon, don't take the paintings too seriously.There are paintings of the queen sedona despite it being built and on her maiden voyage 30 years later
Small cave...Home...
>>48721122Pretty fucking sure elea niggers are hundreds of years old anon
>>48721131return to beggar
I can't gamble for too long bros I'm gonna get pulled in again
What's the fastest way to level: Crafting, Carpentry, Scuplting. But mainly Crafting.Also, is Loytel's debt really 20M or does it drop for plot reasons somewhere along.
>>48721454Its really 20m but you only have to pay 1m of it before the quest progression stops because its unfinished
How does one dupe a spellbook?Also, just go Misaki. She gets tails from reaching milestones in levels, no other input required?
>>48721472you need Demitas, progress storyyes
>>48721454For crafting, I've heard it's: Machinarium Nefia, mine walls for scraps, get a bunch, turn them into nails, hammer the nails, get bones, use the bones to make more nails, repeat.You get carpentry exp from sawing fish for their flakes, too, so passive levels if you're doing that for wine. Sculpting I like to mine the gold walls and floors from the thieves guild and sculpt out of that for selling, not super quick but decently lucrative
>>48721454>>48721496you should really be leveling these with plat coinssculpting is easy, just granite into statues or gold/ruby if you dont mind -100 karmacrafting just make bandages and baitcarpentry some people like to spam scrap OR dedicate themselves to really high crafting and sell foreign doors for profit (3k apiece)
>>48721496Right, I was using the scraps for Bolts to level up Blacksmithing, hadn't thought of nails. Thieves guild strat drops your karma really fast, though it can be done with stones like >>48721515suggests.
>>48721131Does the fridge respawn? I need like 9 more.
I think your home should get raided by a dozen big daddies every so often if you kill a lot of little ones
>>48721643just grab the fridges for 4 tickets from palmia or pickpocket themwhatareyoudoing
>>48721656>fridges for 4 ticketsOnce again I forget about this feature
>>48721494Nta but do I have to rebuild Vernis first to get him?
>>48722491you dont have to "rebuild" vernis, you have to do loytel's quest for it thought I believe
>>48721656I went for 3 ingame years with just the cave fridge...
>>48722589Is 3 years that long?
Was this always a thing? I mean the list of prizes(got first prize too!)
>>48723192added recently and the prizes change every month btw
>>48723492prizes are different at each wheel too (kapul/tinker/olvina/noyel)
>Vertical pipes cost twice as many ingots, yet are more than half the weight of horizontal oneswhat drugs is Noa on?
do i need a changing room to use the onsen at home?
>>48723914If you're trying to get the ether resistance buff, yes
>>48722819I'd guess that if the main quest were fully implemented, most players would finish it before the three year mark. Or at least it took me 700 days to clear vanilla Elona, and vanilla Elona has slow progression compared to Elin and Elona variants.
Is there spells that you cannot learn? If you have Mana battery and manage to find Rod of Wish does that mean you could potentially get to cast wish yourself?
>cast success chance>0%
>>48725391You cannot get wish through draining a rod of wish.You CAN get greater identify and uncurse, fwiw.
Do I rope?
>>48725949i would>no spiral king gfwhy live
>>48725949it takes 150
>>48725978>>48726062Too late. Butchered for meat. Fuck my worthless incel chungus life. I will now pursue ether disease of the penis from the Mysterious Servant.
So, what methods can I use to quickly and safely obtain all ether diseases?
>>48726382Ｒｅｃｒｕｉｔ 『 Ｂｉｌｌｙ 』
>>48726382craft ether wandzap self
>>48720792There's no maybe, you will always get mogged by your pets if you've played for long enough. They get 3x the exp gain from foods plus whatever racial buffs they get plus genes you put on them. A dinosaur can eat more than twice as often as you, so it gets more than 6 times the stat gain opportunity from food compared to you. On elin where the main source of damage later on is your base stats. You'll just have to accept your destiny of being the nanny and support of the party until noa adds genetics for player character.
>>48727280So playing a succubus is the only option if you want to be the main character?You train your harem, then your harem trains you.
>>48727338Yeah but birdwatching recently got changed from checking your end vs opponent lvl to your end vs opponent end, so if you try to fuck something too strong you're the one exploding from exhaustion.
>>48727338I'm playing a Yerles Gunner for that sweet roleplay.Can't wait to kill Mani, bet Yevan would be proud.
>>48727514>so if you try to fuck something too strong you're the one exploding from exhaustion.I hope he adds a charisma vs will skill check to seduction someday, but I already like where this is going.
I feel like Yerles' feat should also affect some other thing. Because it becomes useless after you obtain all feats.Either that or Noa should implement more feats.I feel like the PV and DV feats should be allowed to be chosen infinitely since void scaling is a thing.
How does goldbars from shipping work, is it per item? Can I just turn off growth and then ship chunks of soil for a shit ton of gold bars.
>>48727894you will be able to gene engineer yourself laterso you might still outpace others in terms of adding better and better genes.
>>48727894I would very much like spact feats that are unlocked by skill thresholds
>>48727954retards here keep telling noa to not go spact route for some inexplicable reason. You are never running out of stamina in combat, ever. And if you are, you probably have no idea how to ration it and just spamming rush on every trash mob..I have slept mid void bossfights dozens of times already and stamina is not an issue.More Sp actions would be nice instead of just more shitty enchantments everyone can use.It's still not a melee rework because it benefits magic casters more than it benefits melee only fags still.Give me stancesgive me countersany skill that uses sp
For starters, feats that increase base skill potential would be an interesting experiment
>>48727976I'm over here theorycrafting a full skill system and noa is just putting in the most basic ass bullshit.
>>48727976>I have slept mid void bossfights dozens of times alreadyThis shit ruins immersion.This is what high level melee fighters should look like:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaI-EOVpDvoFight 1 vs 3 to keep it fair.Block, parry, dodge.Parry magic back into the caster's face to make them reconsider their life choices.Tank hits like a boss.Leave the enemy scarred for life and afraid to face you again, even if you lost this time.
>>48728033>immersionretardevery creature shitting out eggs and milk nonchalantly is not immersion breakinghaving sex with the sleeping enemies with high stealth is not immersion breakingrazing a town to ground and everyone letting you go after magic karma number goes back to 0 is not immersion breakingbut sleeping in front of your enemy is?>plus unironically toddpostingyou are the biggest retard ever
I got the delgated farming policy and built the sign but there not farming my rice
>>48727976Instances don't allow sleeping, no battle naps during war quests. A basic resource system like that has to be applicable to all aspects of the gameOath of eternity players have to be above 50% all the time. Easy to manage now because it's just rush, not so much when it's a full listThe direction has already been made clear>>48728033It's funny how the wizard brainrot has set in, people can't imagine another playstyle/approach>Just gave aoe, multiattack, evade counter, feint, cleave and more to players>noooooo I don't want the abilities to trigger for free they don't count if they aren't a button I can press that uses staminaThe players only action in path of achra is to pray and somehow despite not having lots of pushable buttons chaos ensues and fun is had
>>48728131I dont fucking care about eternityWhy should he cater to the minority?Just keep using rush, nobody is forcing you to use any other thing.More options in melee is always good rather than just resorting to magic.Fucking speedrunner tranny
>>48727915>laterwhy isn't this in now? lonely soul would be way more viable if so
>>48728062they don't visually farm itit takes time for the policy to proc
it really doesn't make sense why Rush exists>a melee ability that uses stamina to deal a special attackbut can't add more melee abilities of similar sort?
>>48728209My guess is that a Rush makes more sense as a general purpose ability, while Cleave or Flurry or whatever makes more sense for specific weapon types. I do hate the fact this update means martial arts continues to fall further behind though.
>>48728209I think that's a stopgap to prevent melee from being completely worthless compared to anything that doesn't have to walk three turns to hit the enemy.
key pets for each playstyle or niches?im bad at making a teamit's worse than pokemon cause I need 8 lonely soul ain't viable without gene editing to roid yourself up
After a year of playing as a bard, I've learned one thing - succubi own the world.I've played for everyone, from poor children's birthday parties to royal receptions. And I've always seen the same thing - succubi feasting on the crowd.It doesn't matter who you are. I've seen the royal courts of Mysilia and Palmia raped in full view. I've seen Lord Cetrus banged twice in a row and probably enjoyed it. Even Big Sister herself has been seduced and raped more than once.No one can or will do anything.Gods, kings, priests and beggars, all exist only to feed the succubi. I don't know who will remain after the next apocalypse, but I know who will have fun with them.
>>48728428just b urself and pick 8 pikachus, gearing and feeding 8 pets might be a hassle though(get ready for AoE spell deaths)Holy trinity team works fine. One consideration would be a pet debuffer as they can stack will/magic much faster than you to overcome big endgame enemy resistances, failing to land debuffs is a pretty annoying waste of turns and mana when you're already in a bad situation
I keep making fertilizer yet in 7 years I have never actually used a single fertilizer for its intended purposecan you guys ask noa to make fertilizers be autoconsumed with delegated farming?
How does publishing your base workI found some really shit bases, as if the person didn't even know they published? Or bases that are undeveloped in one area but showed signs of effort.Does it freeze a snapshot? What about winter season? Or does it reupload your build every time someone asks because it uses your IP?
>>48728797fertilizer bombs soon
What dimensions do I need to accomodate a boat in my base? Depth of water? I got one from a prize but can't seem to place it
>>487288383x5any depthno build mode, manual hand placement (it's retarded yes)
>>48728215The difference is that rush needs to be intelligently used, it can't be a proc or passive because it's impossible to automate determining whether you're charging into a good or bad situation. That isn't true for all the more recent additions, they are neutral at worst.Also martial arts has claws and gloves, so there's no reason for it to fall behind.Vanilla has never been big on special actions beyond the god ones, so the current direction checks out. The god spacts weren't big even when stamina was a recoverable resource, and now they get next to 0 use when everyone needs large amounts stamina in the tank to survive fatal blows. I would strongly have favoured putting rush on a cooldown instead of using stamina, but it is what it is.
>>48728838you might have your water the wrong orientation for the default placement, it has to pop up before you can rotate it
>>48728888>Also martial arts has claws and gloves, so there's no reason for it to fall behind.Talking pure martial arts, you know, actually unarmed.
>>48728847>>48728892Made a 5x5 hole with 2 depths of water, still won't place, aaaaaaaaWhen I throw it and it briefly appears, it seems like the dimensions are correct, too
>>48728911try to put it down from the bottom corner of your water, it gets placed down the same as other big furniture
>Melee updatePatch note: Magic can miss. :o)
Does spamming multiple of one job type in a settlement do anything? If i put a bajillion farmers in the wagie cage does is make a boat load of onions for my people to chug?
>>48728957Yes, that is the meta. all residents farmers = high fertilitythen just plant berries only
visiting other bases is good for inspirationsaw a small dock with boat+sail and a bollardadd a mat + open treasure chest (or instrument) and you can put commodities on it to look like a street vendor or street musician
>>48728962It's ONE way to do thingsyou can spam one settlement with fishermen and they will produce a ton of fish for youor lumberjacks for log/resourceor blacksmith for oresbed scaling + studious actually makes them produce a lot over time
>>48728811>What about winter season?I found my own base in the wrong season, just random snowmen and patches of manually placed ice/snow, mismatched dirt/grass tiles that were supposed to be covered in snow >>48719572I assume this would be on the docket to fix at some point
>>48728967or exploration for free gold
>>48728935Finally got it, ty
>>48728897Yeah, I don't think that's a consideration any more in noa's head once fist weapons became a thing. Sorry anon.
>>48728962>>48728967Great, farming is pissing me off so now i am off to enslave dozens of farmers to do it for me while i just fast travel back and forth for a few decades. And fail a bunch of harvest missions to get enough seeds to cover the whole map.
>>48729051>farming is pissing me off so now i am off to enslave dozens of farmers to do it for meYou don't need farmers to automate farming, you just need the Designated Farming policy and some containers set up. Farmers just boost the fertility of your land so you can plant more.
these places are so neatthis town is very modest but nice
How do people raise their pets to such high levels?
>48729081Your mother will die in her sleep now if you don't kill yourself.
>>48729093oh and this town had a custom bgm or something idk, what changes that?
>>48729101You can use a gramophone to change bgm of any mapNino sells it
>>48729108Nobody spammed cheats, you started samefaggin 30 replies to yourself. KYS
You're a stupid schizo and you need to hang yourself
Even Maidensnow Eve got a better melee gameplay than this game
then go play that
How do I arrange a room so only one person in my party can beat me up? I lose all my hp if I just hang myself in town and everyone beats me up.
>>48729192empty partytell everyone to stay still except person you want to beat you up
>>48729192Empty out your party except the one you want to keep, make a room with the gallows in it and get rid of the door after you walk in.
kill yourself schizo
I jus found a neat trick, and I hope I can exploit it before it gets patched...not mentioning it yet tho
>>48729165I already did lmao, got a good jack off session too
How good is Mani's shotgun?
>>48729251Pretty awesome
>>48729251Strong as fuck and since all of it's bonuses aren't faction-restricted so it works just fine outside of Mani faith, same with Lulwy's bow
Does this mean you basically hit 80% of the time minimum? That's pretty great if so.No more miss 8x
>>48729093probably cheating or mods, it takes an absurd amount of grinding to get to level 50 as it is.
>>48729391you dont pick up shit you dropped otherwise your settings
>>48729321No. The proc% is 10+2*sqrt (enchant power), so you're looking at about 28% proc on an evade.
Maybe tell the mods on IRC to wake the fuck up and get rid of this putit brain
>>48729708This isn't /v/, retard
how will noa make multiple melee pets/summons viable if they just get wrecked by aoe magic + stopped by chokepoint?
>>48729747>magic AoEWell, that counter has a bunch of counter-counters. Dim from sound, confused from mind, one of the high will pets casting silence (secretary kit is great for this, pic related) >ChokepointWith an ether pickaxe and/or high mining, speed, clearing a granite or soil block takes like 2-3 turns. Definitely worth doing some tactical wallbreaking to improve positioning in the fight.Alternatively, give all your melee pets boomerangs since throwing is a universal skill and it scales of tactics anyway watch as they outscale their main melee weapon she you start using cursed flying scrolls
>>48729747You clear out the hallways using mining of course.
I hope every evolved mob also gets this on their melee weapons.
>>48729839Every mob that has weapons already have these. Most evolved aren't humanoid though, since it pulls from the general monster pool
>>48729797>>48729813>>48729826I don't browse v, qrd? do you two hate each other or something?
how do monster ball levels work? I heard two conflicting thingsthere's "bestiary level" or there's actual in-game levelbut since I'm in nefia +200 I haven't seen any mobs below lv80 in awhile, so if I want to capture a level <79 spiral king I need to sell fame?
>>48729855Its v, they will cheat and complain that others cheat.
>>48729855He's been spamming and samefagging the /v/ thread extremely hard to kill it because he knows if anybody reports him, mods just delete the thread itself.
>>48729864for what purpose, is it a grudge against that other anon posting images?
>>48729862Once you pass level 200 nefias I don't think you can go back. Because it introduces the void scaling stuff.
>>48729874Man I dont know he just screams about cheats and chinese for dozens of posts, and if nobody gives him attention he starts multiquoting everybody in the thread that is completely uninvolved in whatever he's on about. Like this https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/700667590/#700720729Now he's here to brag about it on /jp/ for some godforsaken reason.
>>48729851I was always vary of stuff like evolved lizardmen and mercenaries in melee because of their random equip. But I guess humanoids aren't that common.
>>48729886strange behaviour, I wonder why it happens for literally any topic theres always 1
>>48729903Just another unmedicated day on 4chan.>>48729894That'd be a good way to check if they have gear worth swiping I guess right? Send a sacrifice over to get smacked
>>48729876fugI tossed a lv78 ball at a lv228 medusa and it didn't work based on the ballso even if I sell all my fame I can't find a level 50 spiral king?
>>48729914Selling fame should helpThe new scaling is (original level + 50 x (1 + floor/50))
Could anyone explain to me how the material for bow damage works?It doesn't seem in line with all other weapons, I've used hammers on my bows and they increase or decrease not directly correlated to their hardness. A adamantite bow is worse then crystal for example I don't get it
>>48729855there's a mentally ill wannabe janny who has been spammin /v/ threads to go to /vg/, to the point of making his own vg threads which got removed by the actual jannies.he failed, got outed as being too poor to buy the game as the motive for his spam, crashed out hard and went turbo shitter mode by going after every /v/ thread maker and samefagging fake conflict against himself pretending to be like half a dozen shitposters that all only appear at the same time to get the threads deleted by endless spamnow that the threadmakers haven't been active he's been making tons elin /v/ threads himself to get them deleted while targeting people who use mods in a singleplayer game ever since one of them btfo'd him into another melt downand now after daily spamming to go to /vg/ or /jp/ he's drank his own coolaid and came here to gloat while americans are sleeping and eu are going to worksilly pedro
>>48729931maybe lighter = better for bows?
feels like you can realistically sustain 2-4 spells with demitas depending on how much combat you do per month or if you supplement your spells (with cane or attacks)so either full domain or maybe 2 domain bolts/arrows and another spell?
>>48729886ssethe video hasn't even dropped yet, sheeeshI wonder if some timmycord is just arguing with themselves, surely 1 person cant find this so entertaining by themself
>>48729931Bows just use the material stats, I don't think hardness has any effect.
I took a moon portal to someone's base and they had spright replacement mod for Gaki and etcthe question is, was that merely a map replacement texture? or do I actually download their Gaki's (global) sprite?
>>48730027Was it one of these by chance?http://amaebiworld.web.fc2.com/rkgk/elin/elin_replace.htm
>>48730111yeah it was that gaki I think
>>48730122It likely saves in the map cache (\AppData\LocalLow\Lafrontier\Elin\User\Map) but I dont think theres a good way to extract it, if at all
>>48730010I don't understand, what is the best thing to do then to get a good bow? Your image makes it look like adamantites the best out of those 3, but why?
>>48730010That'd mean crystal shouldn't be better than adamantite though, which isn't what that anon encountered.I tried looking up the code myself, but it's a spaghetti labyrinth. Hopefully a higher-level code monkey can reverse-engineer the problem...
>>48730164...it couldn't be weight again like the boomerangs right?
>>48730209Nah, the dark matter in the linked pic is the lowest of the lot. It's all material setting, not hardness or weight.Which makes sense, bows IRL need a mix of strength and suppleness. I have a named mithril bow that's way stronger than similar adamantine ones.But I wonder why crystal is so strong, you'd imagine it to be quite brittle.
>>48730164Equipment types have stats that are modified by the material stats, you want to have materials that match the equipment stats.Adamantite should have the best damage and dark matter the worst, but wooden bows have such bad flat damage that it takes adamantite to even get a 1.>>48730193Equipment spawns within a range of stats based on quality, wooden bows probably have such bad base stats that material barely has an effect.
>>48730353i mean look at the weight of the bows in the pic, i don't know what the weight of the raw materials are but comparing those bows the lightest bow is the weakest while the heaviest bow is the strongest
>>48730421 (me)made a bow real quick and added 2 cursed flying scrolls to it, the effect is minimal but somehow making it heavier makes it stronger
>>48730574That's just the base cursed flying scroll effect though, equivalent to +1 dam -1 cth per scroll. Does the same on melee weapons too. There doesn't seem to be throwing-like weight scaling on the damage dice itself.
>Publicly leaking everyone's IPs to a wider audience because Noa leaked them accidentally, which only a few people know of
I'm glad that wiki has some of the source spreadsheets publicly viewable, but I wish they had the one that stores game message text. I want to look up exactly how Nefia resetting works, and I have no idea what alias is used for the "feels different from when you visited before" string.
Does hit % matter beyond 100%? I can't tell how important % is, especially after 100%
if you can recruit suicide enemies, can't you host them and they'll basically pop off and never die??
>>48731110Correct
"FREE BUILD" MY ASSGET THIS FUCKING RESTRICTION OUTTA HEREI AM NOT DUPING MY ENTIRE WORKSHOP FOR EVERY SINGLE NEW LAND I PURCHASEFUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>48731274bro your teleporter
>>48731299I dont want to make 12 * N different crafting stations anonI have Level 7 hearthstone already, I dont wanna fucking remake a new workshop just let me freely build dammit
>>48731274The tribulations of townbuilding
Converted to horome without sourcing proper offerings beforehand..ooops this will take a while
can I get dex potency strain on palulu or will it always get overriden to -3 dex pot?
>>48731606Yeah.
>>48731320just grab the shit you need and move it temporarilyis that really such a difficult thing to grasp?
>>48731696consider not sucking off Noa for one day and realize people can complain about dogshit game design
Are there any shortcuts or mods to planting seeds and harvesting, Ive been trying to grow mushrooms in 4 tens I carry while I travel but I don't like the repetive clicking
>>48731888auto act
Katanas should have gotten timestop or multihit combo that chainbursts into one big hit after certain number of consecutive hits within a number of turns
>>48732544calm down vergil
Katanas should do a huge amount of burst damage on the first attack you make after being blinded.
>>48732544Just have more hands.Or wait for Rankis/Diablo to be added.
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Forget-me-not" meta bullshit that's going since noa implemented the melee weapon skills. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in Elin. Here is the basic stat block I propose for Katanas:>Adamantine Katana 8d8, 12>It increases your speed by 25.>It increases your Charisma by 12.>It inflicts massive damage to humans [*****+] (30)>it has a chance for an all-penetrating attack [******+] (35)>it has a chance to cast Time Stop [***] (10)Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?
>>48732659sword sisters.... how can we recover?
>>48732795No, because both katanas are swords are peasant weapon classes compared to claw and boxing glove. In fact all melee weapons are just worse than fist or boxing glove.
when are we getting magic arm swords like goku black
Does anyone know how to use the combined Keys like UpLeft, they are normally unassigned so I tried using them but they seem to just function like normal WASD keysI spent like an hour trying to get chatgpt to write me a script but it couldn't seem to get the combined keys like WA down
What's the point of claw and fist weapons? they always look shit
been using wraith and worshipping Hormone, I can kill enemies more powerful than me with any weapon despite putting my training into music
>>48734643>Reaper of MP aka Gazer spawns>Sniped for -1500 MPHave you though about any countermeasures against it?
>>48734732bell hat with shotgun
>>48734854>bell hat with shotgunI leave my bell roaming free because her speed and accuracy tanks when I'm hosting her
>>48734643In my experience Wraith is only OP in the early game.You take wraith with any magic class and immediately get 50-60 mana, equal to 100-120 effective HP (and your 6-10 health on top), which is 3-4 times more than any character gets at this stage.Mana regenerates very quickly in the beginning.Basically you get your 125 mana x2 as a substitute for HP, which cannot be instantly restored in any way except prayer.Mana regeneration is not percentage-based and is not that fast after the early game, when the mana pool becomes large. And also you have to save your mana, so no expensive spells in dangerous situations.It's like taking a 120 life race and worshiping Opatos to get his hammer. It will give you about same survivability in pure HP, but you will have your entire mana pool to use and your entire health pool for healing spells, potions, etc. Simple and effective.Sure, Horome's sword will give wraith a huge advantage, but potions and healing spells can be spammed instead and you don't need to hit things in melee to do so.Overall wraith and executioner are still kinda weird, but only because there is no other way to make magic races as durable as natural-born warriors.This can easily be fixed if Noa added a "Mind over Matter" feat and a stance similar to maconomy. Something like 33/50/66% damage goes to mana.This can still leave you without mana mid combat and is also available to warriors, but can slightly equalize the benefits of large life and mana pools for melee fighters without having to spend an entire race or class on it.
>>48735205raise your host skill and it'll improve
>>48735226Doesn't the wraith also get 50% reduced mana cost at low health, including damage taken to the mana bar? I haven't tried wraith or executioner, but mana body looks crazy strong on paper. I was thinking about using a wraith as a wizard, just stay at low health to spam spells cheap, go itzpalt and pump up meditation, stay ranged and try to use the lower mana costs offensively. I would probably just end up getting sniped and 1hko'd constantly though.
I tried using Wraith as a Caster instead of Lich.It works well because the survivability is better.But there's a problem.Healing from Allies.If you have a single ally with a healing spell, you won't be able to effectively use the reduced mana cost at low health.
>>48735710I go with lonely soul, I get music boost from Hormone and pump up my charisma and all the plus ally feats and the ones that make you faster flat out, I have like 160 speed
is there a better way to raise negotian than just talking to everyone, its really annoying. And what level does it cap out
>>48735775buy things
>>48735790that doesn;t seem to work
>>48735815buy a lot
>>48735584>Doesn't the wraith also get 50% reduced mana cost at low healthThat's why I calculated mana to hp as x2. If you play wraith as a mage, it's a different story and your mana discount can be useful on its own, but keep in mind that your pets will constantly heal you out of it.As a wraith/witch I mostly use mana to snipe dangerous enemies with arrow spells or to bring my host and ride pets back to consciousness.
>you can't recruit big daddieshelp
>>48735905Unless they recently changed it you can recuit them, I have one in my base, but they have very inflated stats (very high PER). A level 21 big daddy has like 63 Perception (not counting gear) I think, can't check it at the moment. If you absolutely want one you'll have to find one in the wilds. Don't know if you can get them with balls, but you can definitely get them with talk+gifts (engagement rings/amulets are your best bet). They don't have ring/neck slots which is really limiting if you want to push their speed to a decent level, but they are pretty bulky and have a skill to inflict gravity.
>>48735964I thought you couldn't capture characters with brackets? and they always have brackets no?
>>48735970I believe you can get ones with single brackets, not double brackets
>>48735710That's true, it might be better to become the healer yourself. At that point I guess you might as well go paladin of jure for lay on hands, the heal, and a second regular health bar.
Which mount is best for speed and utility?I just switched to a carbuncle but it doesn't have fingers so no speed rings in the future.Fairy looks good, but Kumi's one can't worship Lulwy for speed and the random one isn't that useful.My best guess is to try adding fingers to carbuncle via genes in the endgame, but that won't be anytime soon.
what determines disassembly difficulty? i could disassemble chromite with steel hammer
What's a good class for a Yerles?I don't want any of the expanded backer class though because I feel like they would teach me bad habits.Is Thief good? Is pickpocketing good (because it's a method to get unique powerful in some old japanese RPGs)?
>>48736046Yerles looks like it was made for gunner desubut it's unknown how good it will be because in the future players can gene edit themselves using feat points which Yerles generatepickpocketing can in theory be goodit lets you basically furnish your base for FREEor sell shit for money (unknown how lucrative it is), the thief guild literally boosts and buffs selling stolen shit + there's a stolen goods housing policy for even more money, so in theory it should be viable to steal+sell all day
who is this rando younger sister that's following me around
>>48736068from the old ticket/fortune drum prize probably
>>48736068>>48736071you can get one from the drum prize?!
>>48736086yes but its a summon not an actual pet
Wiki is down
>>48735970There's only a few npcs that are non hostile that you can't recruit in the game. The big sister in little garden, and npcs related to the guild (guild admission, guild secretary that promotes you, guild masters). Rest of NPCs are fair game to recruit with affinity. Evolved creatures are not recruitable/capturable no matter what. Someone said he managed to recruit one of those neutral soldier that was an elite (yellowish aura) spawned from a conflict shrine but I've never had that happen so I can't really say.>>48736024If you don't mind the black cat from ekehalt being frail it's a good mount, has good speed and all slots. No healing or resurrection though, but you could cover that with another companion. Aside from that, kumi fairy and carbuncle there's not much to chose from in the speed+utility department. Honestly the combination of speed+utility is hard to find. In the long run you can use:-Gene engineered carbuncle. Simpler than you'd think as they can be bred and thus get lot of feat points, and comes with 3 useful spells. I think it's hard to beat as an entry into endgame mounts if you mod ring slots into it with other useful stuff. Doesn't use apostle slots.-Misaki or the fox apostle are good if you get all the tails but it's no small amount of grinding, as you need levels. Good slots+resistances.-Fairy adventurer. Gearing it will suck due to their restrictions with weight and spell selection is completely random.-Spiral king or Great race of Yith. Comes with 4 weapon and 4 ring slots, good spells and passives, can generate fertilized eggs and be hatched, have 6 gene slots and a great feat. You'll have to either capture one with balls, or scum it against an evolved one with food with bug mix+love potion throwing.Metal or catsister can in theory be good be they hav bad mount aptitude and giga amounts of speed (300 and 280) so I'm not really sure how much riding you'd need to really be able to use them correctly or if you can even make a good use of them as rides.
>>48736098>>48736024just use a yowyn horse and get 300+ speed for little investment
>>48736032hammer hardness+crating level-target's hardness level I think.>>48736046Pickpocket is good but the grind to level it is so long it hurts my soul. I wouldn't go thief for it unless you want to RP. The positives is you steal furniture (and later on snowman generators in the workshop) and you can steal monster equipment, and nefia bosses/warquest bosses can carry some nice stuff. Some monsters like Gagus have very low perception so it's very easy to steal from them. Problem is when you start doing uncaped stuff and monsters and bosses start having 150 perception or more, at that point you need insane pickpocket gear to not be detected (at least 400 pickpocket total counting your skills+gear), or to make the target sleep longer than it takes you to steal from them (20 turns). This means slowing them and you being fast enough. The bad is that leveling it is way too slow, so you'll be extremely reliant on pickpocket gear.
>>48736098>>48736105So for now I'm sticking with carbuncle. Thanks!Rodwyn's broomification spell won't work unless you're a witch, right?
>>48736127It does work, it's just that witches get a lot more speed out of it. I still use it on my carbuncle
>>48735825Ah, my mistake.>As a wraith/witchHave you tried executioner before too? I was wondering if heart of death worked with ranged weapons, it just says physical damage on the wiki.
>>48736086>>48736091You can recruit the younger sister from the fortune drum like a normal NPC.
>>48736208I'm doing melee witch.Wraith/Executioner looks great on paper, but pets will constantly heal you. Not sure how it would play solo.I mean, mana body is really strong and so on, but the only free source of mana drain requires you to stay in melee. On the other hand, ranged wraith/executioner can be interesting if you worship Itzpalt. He might be better than Horome for "oh shit!" healing.Overall, I don't think it's worth taking an executioner as a wraith. It's better to use your racial mana body and take another class. That's how I started my melee wraith/witch.
>>48736425>Overall, I don't think it's worth taking an executioner as a wraith.I guess you're right, mana body 3 and heart of death seem just alright. You would probably get more melee damage out of weapon mastery 2 than heart of death anyway.
Is it worth keeping as an ether mutation? I mean, I'll probably have to cure it when the next one pops up, but eh
>>48736603it's really good for melee
>>48736550Mana body 3 does nothing, it's the same as 2nd level. Executioner has entirely phys oriented bonuses, while wraith is a caster, seems impractical trying to combine them. Wraith actually has pretty shitty stats compared to other races, mana body 2 is it's only good perk. If you are playing caster just having high meditation is way safer than trying to leech mana in melee, even passive regen from it is enough to spam low cost spells without worry.And executioner passive works with throwing weapons, probably with guns too, but I'm not entirely sure about that one.
You can't be healed if you get one shot since your effective health is too low. (Though that's probably not going to be a battle you can win anyway.)
>>48736608>Mana body 3 does nothing, it's the same as 2nd levelcould have sworn some anon looked into the game files and found 3 activated at 10%~ higher health.
>>48736631Hmm, yeah my bad, a lot of people used to say that and I didn't check.Found this for mana body thresholdbase.hp <= this.MaxHP / (9 - base.Evalue(1421) * 2)so for mana body 2 / 3 it's 20% / 30% hp
>>48736631>>48736691But that's rarely relevant, the big thing is reduced mana usage at low hp means you also take 50% less damage to mana.
Any reason not to purchase the unlock for fame cap when reaching 5000? It's not as drastic as the void, right? Can always sell it back down if it's too much, I assumeSpeaking of void, when can you "safely" open it too?
>>48736732You can sell you fame as always, the cap just makes it so that it can spiral to really high levels if you aren't paying attention
>>48736608>And executioner passive works with throwing weapons, probably with guns too, but I'm not entirely sure about that one.That could be good, but you convinced me -- it seems more valuable to pair wraith with a different class, and instead use executioner with something that doesn't have mana body.>>48736691>>48736709Yeah, you're right, that extra 10% doesn't seem great compared to other feats you could get. I think your witch choice makes a lot of sense actually, once alchemy is fully implemented it will be great for conserving mana.
I wonder how a Kizuami executioner would go, bleed is supposed to be an effective way to deal damage right? Also have nerve domain for paralysis. Could also use ice bits for chilled/freeze if you don't want to do it yourself.
>>48736806>Kizuami I think Kizuami anything is good if you're into that playstyle, but i would suggest mifu race.
>>48736098someone did the math before and found that you need around 1200 riding to overcome bad mount aptitude
>>48736732Definitely worth getting sooner than later if you're nefia diving with any frequency. The only thing boosted will be the boss at the end. Just be careful with bosses because humanoid monsters as you start getting into 100+ nefias. The ones wielding weapons (especially those that 2hand the weapon) can do very high damage as they can spawn with ether weapons and high str+skills, and even with 400pv they can chunk you for 100-150 hp per hit. If you have ice bolt/arrow and are not planning to pickpocket the boss, definitely consider breaking their weapons before engaging in higher level nefias.>>48737399Thanks for the info, that's definitely not happening I guess.
Might be a stupid question but can you convert an altar in Elin without choosing any god to believe in first?
Lore question: Is there any info about the lifespan of races?Undeads are obviously immortal. That's kinda the point.Eleas maybe not, but they live gods knows how long. Typical elves.The rest of the normal races are somewhere in the middle.Succubi either die young or somehow rejuvenate themselves through sex (makes sense, right?) by feeding on life force. Never seen an old succubus.Demigods are one big weird piece of backer content.Dragons? We know Steel Dragon died, but it is not clear whether old age was the (only?) factor.
>>48738054You can check the approximate lifespans of various races in chargen and selecting the elderly age bracket.Corgon the elder was slain by Thorran, current guildmaster of the fighters' guild.
>>48737885I dont think so, the conversion is based on what god you believe in not what you offer
>>48738190>You can check the approximate lifespans of various races in chargen and selecting the elderly age bracket.Yes, but while we can create an old succubus, no succubi are generated old.And there is no old age mechanic in the game (yet?). And we rarely (ever?) hear about someone dying of old age.In addition, we have Kettle, who is rumored to be immortal or at least does not age and wanders for a very long time.And also the exiles.>Corgon the elder was slain by Thorran, current guildmaster of the fighters' guild.An interesting bit of lore. Thanks.
Why Is my computer convinced elonapluscgx Is a trojan? Virus scans keep deleting the application and if i try starting It my computer refuses. Can the game be ran with just elonaplus launcher?
>>48739573Question: where did you download it from? Just to be sure because that never happened to me.Also, are you sure you read all options?I don't remember the text, but when windows refuses to open I'm pretty sure there's an option to see more details and run it anyways.
>>48739691>where did you download it from?Github because every other download link for the newest version no longer existed that I could find.>option to see more details and run it anyways.Normally there Is but I don't even get that choice for this
>>48739573Any compiled program thats old and shitty HSP code will be flagged because the AV doesnt fucking know what it is.Anti viruses don't actually fucking read through the executable to see what it does.
How useful is the detector? From what little I can read on the wiki, it's mostly to check if a shrine generated on your map and maybe hunt for small medals, which I guess would be the main draw?
>>48740642it doesn't feel useful but I'm not very good at using the sound beepsI still got it in my inventory cause it's 1 slot
>>48740642it's nice to have before you can just spam magic map
>melee update>i want to do a ranged playthroug, no spellcasting or meleethen pretend I run a squad of navy seals or something as I kit out a bunch of machine infantryalso kinda cringe they're not actually machines so don't get Mani's upgrade
So I have played a melee character (dual wielding Elea/Pianist), ranged character (Lul Bow/Fairy), and have started working on a wizard (Lich/Wizard). So far the ranged fairy is kinda pooping on everything with the bow versus the melee character.
>>48740792my melee isn't that bad but ranged is 100% safer and can penetrate into higher levelsI can spam Rush and decimate nefias in a minute
Is there a guide to taming?Pasture level doesn't matter?How much milk can you feed to a baby before it stops getting stats??
>>48740836the problem so far is that every single character i play, uses magic. the fairy uses the least, basically only when something is hard to hit or is strong against lightning. I have no idea how you are supposed to keep your spell stocks up as a wizard shit is such a money or sleep sink.
>>48740872Demitas+high memorizationI have no issue with spell stocks depending on how I split my spells>2 arrows>4 books each for demitasor>3 debuffs on demitasdebuffs only get cast like once per enemy so 3-3-2 booksotherwise, spread out combat so one month is avoiding combat more, or set up a lot of magic shops for spellbooks
>>48715202
>>48740872>>48740889also the REAL problem with spells is leveling some of them takes extremely longleveling new arrows is SO bad because spell exp = based on mana usageso higher level arrows actually level faster as they gain mana cost the higher levelwhile debuff spells level up really fast and are therefore more spell stock efficient
is that negative holy veil??
>why do all my teammates run away from shining hedgehogs>it happensoh
>>48741175w-what happens?!
