I own a shotgun, an AR and 2 target rifles. talk me out of pic related as a first handgun
>>62121689Be a man and get a revolver instead of that plastic toy, sonny.
>>62121689If you can't rent it, pick one up at a shop and get a feel for it first. If it feels like the one, go for it.
>>62121689What’s your use case going to be? Pretty useless to discuss unless we know what you want to do with it.
>>62121689Strikers are cheap tech and trash to use. Buy a hammer fired pistol like a gentleman.
>>62121697>rugerhere, let me fix your sentence >Be a homosexual man and get a revolver instead of that plastic toy, sonny.
>>62122260ccw
>>62121689concealed carry is probably the most important gun youll getbodyguard 2.0 doesnt seem bad but i would consider the following>mp 2.0 compact>glock 43x>glock 48x>glock 19>glock 45>ruger LCP Max>ruger security 9>fn reflex(hammer fired but tiny subcompact frame)>snub nose like ruger LCR or SW airweight>sig 365id say there are a bunch of better alternatives to the bodyguard 2.0 alreadythe FN reflex is probably the best oneits really about what features you want in a gun that you will carry on you(such as safety features) that wont be a dealbreaker that makes you anxious about carrying and if you value comfort over functionfor me i go for the comfort route and have guns that arent great shooters but i have to crouch and get up on ladders at my job so having something small that doesnt print easily and doesnt dig in when deep concealing is important because im not trying to stir shit up at my work by making it obvious i have a gunsome people arent in that predicament and can carry more openly so the occasional printing isnt an issue so they can carry better guns than me
adding more to this post >>62122318check ballistics as well, 9mm is what i consider the ideal carry round but barrel lengths get small in CCW pistols and it can impact the ballisticssome guns, especially on the the cheaper side, dont feed hollow points so you may think a pistol is the perfect choice but when it comes time to load the good self defense rounds, it cant feed them reliablyalso think about whether you want a flashlight or not, consider the weight of the gun tooa full size, metal frame CZ is going to be awesome to shoot but trying to conceal carry that all day is terribleon the flip side a ruger LCP is extremely easy to carry, to the point youll barely know you are carrying half the time, but it isnt exactly good to shootprobably a controversial take here but id say go for the SW airweight or a ruger LCR in 38 because its extremely easy to conceal them, they are incredibly lightweight, and they are guns you will still be glad to have in your collection if you decide you dont like carrying themthey also do have one advantage, they cant really malfunction unlike an autoloader, if you draw and are panicking, you just point and click, it will always go bang. if it doesnt for some reason, you click again and it moves onto the next roundautoloaders require more practice on clearing malfunctions in case it ever does happen, you dont want to be panicking unable to clear a stovepiped roundautoloaders do carry significant advantages over revolvers though and are the ideal carry but if i could do things over, id probably start with a j frame revolver as my first carry
>>62122260Rape
>>62121689Crazy how S&W has gone backwards. The feminine 10 rd of 380 vs the high test 8 rd Shield .40
>>62122477stop pretending .40sw is cool. you're being contrarian in the most predictable way.
>>6212249440 is just better
>>62121689It's 90% the size of a p365 at 85% the price and it doesn't even have an optics cut
>>62121689holy shit OP be careful(You) have just summoned the ire of the psychosperg anti-S&W trollbtw here's last week's in depth thread >>62053127
>>62122275>homosexual manWhat a faggotAnd yea i prefer smiths.
>>62121689it's a small .380 anon.is that what (You) seek as a handgun?the 2.0 is suited for deep conceal or pocket carry. It's tiny and only weighs ten ounces.Outshoots all its micro380 competition (although no one yet has done a direct 1-on-1 with the Glock 42 or P365-380 but those'll be along soon), and shoots/handles surprisingly well for such a light weight and small pistolIt's neat, and shoots well enough for its size-weight but is that what you really want a microtiny handgun?
>>62121689>a first handgun(continued from >>62123264) Here are some others in various calibers to consider in a carry handgun that is a compact-or-smaller size pistol>Grand Power P11 Mk 12 9mm>HK P2000SK 9mm>S&W Shield 45 (also the Shield 9 Plus)full size>Beretta Px4 .40 S&W>HK 45>SIG P229 .40 S&W>HK P30 or P30L 9mm
>>62123000Silly AI cat trips
>>62123000>doesn't even have an optics cutchecked, and it won't because the slide is too small/narrow for one.also an optic would defeat purpose of such a small-tiny handgun that was intentionally designed and configured that size for deep conceal or pocket carrythere are other micro-380s and -9s with optics cuts that are in a slightly larger size class, it "works" for those... but the Bodyguard 2.0 is so damn tiny it'd defeat the purpose anywaDoes/has anyone put an optic on an LCP (<--any subvariant)?
>>62121689>I own a shotgun, an AR and 2 target rifles. talk me out of pic related as a first handgunNo. It's a good choice.
>>62123000Wtf how he do that
>>62123877keep seething in fact vapor lock over it sperg.fucking retard
Is bodyguard 2.0 coffee good for you?
>>62123000is this real?
>>62123000what the fuck
>>62123000What optic are you gonna put on a slide less than 0.9" in width? Even an rmsc would be too wide for it.
>>62126010saw one of the S&W guys talking about the 2.0, the design is too small for any presently offered opticDoes anyone have optics on any of the LCP models?are those slides large enough to accomodate one
>>62122318> id say there are a bunch of better alternatives to the bodyguard 2.0 alreadyI’d say it depends what you want. Assuming it lives up the hype, and I don’t see why it won’t, it’s the best pocket gun out there. If you aren’t pocket carrying then a bigger gun in 9mm or up does make more sense and then pick off your list.
>>62123000with a gun that small you barely even need iron sights, their max range is like 20 feet tops
>>62127100https://ruger.com/products/lcpMax/models.htmlHere's the catalog for the lcp max which I believe would be the fattest lcp. It looks like not from the factory unless someone makes a rear sight dovetail mount thing but those are usually pretty jank and ride very high.
>>62123000>sig shitno thx
Imagine not going with the DIAMONDBACK>both the DB9 and DB380 are tiny and easy to carry, especially the DB380>very reliable, now being on Gen 4>easily found for 200 dollars, even lessIn a world of Smith&Wessons, Glocks, and Sigs, go with the best choice.
>>62127698who?
>>62127529yeah I was merely curious since everyone on any pistol topic even the micros now are posting "where's muh optic bro"
>>62121689I would let others test it first to see if there is anything wrong with the initial models that might be recalled/fixed later. I'm sure getting a good holster might be difficult for the next little while as well. I'd say wait a year or two. For now the Ruger LCP Max does basically the same thing at a cheap price and has been out long enough to have a decent track record.imo for your first handgun I'd get a Glock 19, S&W M&P 9 compact, or a Walther PDP. They're all small enough to be concealed and easier to shoot than a subcompact while being more versatile with wider aftermarket support. I'm sure eventually the Bodyguard 2.0 will be a great option (and I'll likely get one myself once it's been vetted) but I wouldn't want to be one of the first ones carrying it.
>>62121689was just thinking of picking this up for concealed carry in the summer. was curious to see what others think. the only thing I could think of OP is that have you want an all arounder handgun perhaps something a little larger could be better. however, if you are comfortable with your current home defense setup and just need something that you can actually shoot decent and will always carry because it is so small, then it seems like a good option.
>>62123000>no optics cut>on a pocket gunFirst, why is this all of sudden a deal breaker? Second, it’s too narrow for one to fit. You’d need an optic with new mounting points. Or nigger rig a mounting plate with new holes
>>62127867I'm in jew jersey so its not like I can ccw the gun anywhere until they sort the court shit out
>>62128021I have a mossberg 500 and an AR I'd just use for HD
>>62121689if you're dead set on something pocket carry sized, then go for it. load either FMJ or flying screwdrivers because no hollowpoint that expands out of a short barrel .380 is gonna penetrate deeply enough to bet your life on
>>62128205I figure if its pocket pistol size I'll carry it everyday
>>62123426Exactly. I don’t get why so many people keep screaming for an optics cut. It’s like asking for a hitch on a sports car. Sure you could pull something but it’s not made for that.
>>62127698>DB9>reliableI used to shit on some Taurus pistols and know like them so I’m willing to change my tune. But what’s different from 10 years ago?
>>62128218based. don't worry about the caliber fags, any 9mm comparable in size is gonna suck ass to learn handgun shooting on
>>62128205Is that really true? What about Hydra-Shok Deeps? Useless? No Point? I find that hard to believe.
>>62128301>Hydra-Shok Deepsthose do well out of a 3.5" or longer barrel but I haven't seen an LCP test where they expanded and I'd be nervous about penetration if they did. BG2 barrel is basically the same length, that 100fps or so you're giving up is a huge deal for a caliber already on the very margins.
>>62128301>>62128205I've heard this too. that .380 hollow points don't hit the FBI minimum penetration standards but FMJs do
>>62127698imagine trusting your life to diamondbacki wouldnt trust that thing to go off when i pull the trigger and would constantly be worried a slight bump would set it off
>>62128205>>62128301>>62128345How are you guys so misinformed on carry ammo? Several HP loadings penetrate to FBI standards with decent expansion.>https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/#380ACP
>>62128292only caliber that truly isnt worth carrying is 22 and that is purely because of rimfire being unreliable in autoloadersif its a revolver go for it(but at that point why not get 327 HR or 38) since it doesnt have the same reliability issues
Well OP if it helps you I just bought one. Still have an original lcp for pocket carry that I hate. So I figured why not.
>>62128513out of what length barrel?
>>621285133.25" polygonally rifled barrel vs 2.75" button rifled is still enough of a difference that you can't assume results automatically carry over. if you want to change my mind, show me some tests with decent expansion and 12"+ penetration from an LCP or other barrel in the BG2's ballpark
>>62128281I'm anticipating the new SFP9CC (someday...) here in the states, and the newest enforcetac show pics have it with an OR slidenot a disappointment but a reflection of how the market for subcompact/micro pistols, namely the P365 and variants, have become a standard for smaller handguns having slide mounted optics.seems like kind of a waste for such small/light pistols but... I understand. Just not for meI get it for the larger-subcompacts (like maybe, say, a P2000SK) and compactssubcompact/micro handguns should have as little gunk hanging off of or attached to them as possible, in my philosophy of carry-use
>>62127735thislooks like a brick
>>62129216I put a 507k on my Hellcat and there was 0 difference in carry comfort or concealment. I AIWB carry it though, never pocket.I am likely getting the BG2.0 for both pocket and AIWB carry so I'd never want a red dot on it. The dot would likely disrupt pocket carry. There are environments like the doc office where I'd prefer to pocket carry, or just outfits where I'd want to AIWB but with the thinnest gun possible.
>>62128575>polygonally rifled barrel>vs 2.75" button rifledDoes the rifling type make any appreciable different in FPS?
>>62129216>I'm anticipating the new SFP9CC (someday...) here in the states, and the newest enforcetac show pics have it with an OR slideWhich is in 9mm and has a wider slide. It’s still a small gun, but it’s not the same thing. I have a dot on my hellcat. I like it. I wouldn’t want one on my LCP.
>>62121689Consider the similar Shield Plus, slightly larger but 9mm is cheaper to shoot. Unless you're really into pocket carry
>>62129404I want something so small that I never have an excuse not to carry it
>>62129448pocket guns make a great first ccw because theyre so easy to carry and conceal. i still find myself pocket carrying often and the bodyguard 2.0 seems like it could be carried iwb as well
>>62129462cool, I'm planning to IWB it
>>62129482if you arent used to carrying you may find yourself pocket carrying more than you originally thought. It looks like a great option that can be pocketed or carried iwb
>>62129399>not the same thingas what?the SFP9CC is a subcompact(/micro), intended to compete with the same market that the P365 has carved out over the past few years.are you thinking that HK's SFP9CC is somehow not intended to compete directly with pistols like that and the Hellcat (<--Springfield Armory's own site calls it a 'Micro-Compact')?>I have a dot on my hellcat>I like it>wouldn't want one on my LCPwe agree.
>>62129325>0 difference in carry comfort or concealmentsounds nice.as mentioned it looks like HK would bring the SFP9CC to the U.S. with the OR slide option.Not sure I'd buy one with it until having the gun in hand to decide/consider
>>62128205>>62128301>>62128344>>62128345>>62128513>>62128575I forgot, since I live in NJistan hollow points are banned* anyway *banned** in the 90s because they are "cop killer" bullets even though they would do worse against police vests than FMJs**you can still have them at home, at the range, at the store, while hunting or when transporting between one of those places, you just can't carry them because its like 5 years in jail per bullet or something retarded ***holotip that have those polymer ballistic tips are explicitly legal and endorsed on the state police's FAQ because we live in a retard state
>>62129980It's controversial to say out loud but there's nothing wrong with using FMJ as your self defense load. You're guaranteed to have deep enough penetration and shot placement is what really matters anyway for stopping someone with a pistol caliber.Also the benefit of carrying the same ammo you train with. If you ever are in a life or death situation your firearm will have the same characteristics it does when you're shooting at the range when you pull the trigger.
>>62129991you don't understand anon, over-penetration is a serious issue and I NEED the extra .5" diameter
>>62130097wrong decimal point. a .5" diameter would be 50 cal. it would mean the 9mm would be .88 cal or whatever 9mm actually is +50
>>62130106>.355 (bullet diameter) +.5 (expansion) = .855" eh? am i retarded or is it you? yea, I was exaggerating a little for comedic effect but I don't think I got it wrong
>>62130097>you don't understand anon, over-penetration is a serious issueI know you're being sarcastic but many anons believe this. As far as I'm aware, there has never been an over penetration in a civilian self defense incident where the bullet over penetrated the bad guy and hit someone else after.I imagine .380 would have lost much of its power after penetrating through a human anyway. Still lethal? Most likely, but if it has to penetrate additional walls or objects after hitting a human it's probably going to get stopped at that point.
>>62129340Not an appreciable difference. Maybe 20fps. The 1/2” of barrels sure does though
>>62129898> as what?As the bodyguard. The topic in this thread. And what me and the other guy were talking about optics cuts on. If it’s not clear: Micro pocket pistol like the LCP, Bodyguard 2.0, P32, etc = no optic. Micro 9s which are small but meant for IWB = optic if you want one
>>62130106It’s not quite .5” but HSTs and gold dots and copper DPXs get to .7” or more expanded. So it’s a .4” diameter increase. Which is roughly a 288% increase in surface area. That is significant. I also think you are perfectly fine with FMJ. I use FMJs in my .380 and 68gr Lehigh XDs in my 9mm. I don’t think JHPs will make or break you.
>>62121689First handgun is always a DYOR decision. The only person who can decide what you like is you. Try everything that interests you and decide off that experience.
>another bodyguard 2.0 threadi'm becoming suspicious.
>>62131386>why is a weapons board talking about a new weapon that by all accounts is the best in classWow. Such a mystery
>>62131509This lol. I've been observing pocket pistols for years but all of them looked trash so I never bought one and just sticked to my micro nine AIWB. This is the first one that looks like a functional handgun at actual pocket size so I'm excited to discuss it.I am also expecting competitors to come out over the next few years resulting in a popularity surge for .380 ammo.
>>62130956>>62131558>topic in this threadit's the topic of OP picrel, yes>excited to discuss itI was assailed as a "S&W advertising employee" here for posting this thread >>62053127 (<--which you'll want to consult as it has a bunch of reviews and discussion on it) last week
>>62130174.74=/=.855, faggot
>>62131386hop made a vid and said the gun was pleasant to shoot
>>62132108>wrong decimal point>I was exaggerating a little for comedic effect>.74=/=.855, faggotok, so we've confirmed it's you who's retarded
>>62132822nah, that's you, tranny
>>62132139ah, that tracks. ty anon.
