Soldier of Fortune Edition #21Hope my homie Pastebin shows upOld:>>62688426
Just broke up with my first girlfriend, i'm 34 btw and I think i'm going to blow off some steam at the range with my AR
>>62696859Gooning is cheaper
The greatest ever Christmas album "Christmas Portrait" turns 46 today. Make sure to give it a listen
>>62696859Forgot to mention she’s 2D
>>62696891>fumbles the bag even when the 2d girl calls you mastergrim.
>>62696860no, all I caught was shark, we were targeting red drum
State of the collection
>>62696846what a coincidence, i actually just found a link this morning to pdf copies of every Soldier of Fortune from 1975 to 2000https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/sqopldpdlbvjidhwkkg9w/AMrvkuL5KzzsJsnUUvoM0W4?rlkey=h32rdei5m278bed49da4gp236&e=1&dl=0
>>62696962you need to start shooting the super duty
>>62696972They were all on the Internet Archive but that's down right now
>>62696978Yeah it's kinda retarded I haven't done anything with it. Griffin finally restocked the Dual Lok flash hider that was OoS for months so I ordered one and it should hopefully show up this week. Still undecided on optic. Maybe after the Athlon gets warrantied I'll throw that on there
>>62696962get an H&R 14.5 pencil barrel for that carry handle and make it a proper 723. Do something with the super duty
>>62696992You're going to put the athlon on the g$? What will you do with the block 2 then? I'd leave it on the dd but I still don't know what I would do with the super duty.
>>62696992get an ACOG for the Guyselly
>>62697063>make it a proper 723But it's a Bushmaster. Shorter barrel would be cool though. Some day I may do something with it
>>62697088>What will you do with the block 2 thenThought about selling it but idk>>62697097I've been wanting a TA02 for a while now. May make more sense on the Block II though
>>62697125I've been thinking about a ta02 on my SD as well. Isn't there another anon running that setup?
>>62697125>Thought about selling it but idkYeah it would be redundant then. You could do like you said and put an acog on the block 2 then have a very lightweight spr with your geissele which would be nice. But that doesn't necessarily warrant keeping the dd. I would keep it because I like them but that's just me.
>>62697151>Isn't there another anon running that setup?Yeah. We're cloning his rifle
>>62696962Honest thots on the athlon?
>>62697194Well, I killed it by using it on a .350 Legend bolt action rifle, so that's a strike against it. I haven't mailed it back to Athlon yet. It seemed fine though before that, no real complaints. It's baby's first magnified optic so I can't really compare it to anything until now. Used it up to 300 yards fine
>>62697187>We're cloning his rifleSo it turns out my colt upper HAS in fact turned me into a clooner
Is there any reason to get a muzzle brake other than the A2? I wanna start upgrading stuff
>>62697234Yeah if you plan on using a suppressor that goes with it or you're pinning/welding a 14.5
>>62697234The one that fits your can.
>>62697234the only reason to swap out a birdcage is if it's for mounting a suppressor. its literally perfect
>>62697212kek. Good way to test their customer service. I think i’m gonna gunsoom one if i can find it for 350 or so
>>62697264>if i can find it for 350 or soDo they get that cheap? I think I paid $400 for mine on sale. A2 still recommends them as the poorfag SPR scope if that means anything to you.
>>62697244birdcage can mount a suppressor too.
>>62696870bruh just stop
>>62697244>long distance rangelast 2 times, schmoes with their shit stick ARs and stupid comps were blowing unburnt powder into the sides of my eyes. very gay
Best AR trigger for the money? I am making a 20in DMR build and usually go with a Geissele trigger but I'd rather not use a trigger that costs 25% of the build.
>>62697402larue mbt2s
>>62697402LaRue or blemished Geissele later this month
>>62696978>>62696992just sell the noodle and do everyone a favor
>>62697402mbt2s or just wait 2 weeks and get a gman for cheap
>>62697367We both know I can't do that
Do I prioritize 1x performance and compromise magnification? Or prioritize magnification and compromise 1x performance? (no, LPVOs do not do both and I will not be buying one)
>>62697405>>62697408Ok, I'll give it a shot. One more thing - since I'm buying a trigger already does the LaRue ACOG mount work for the newer 3.5x35 LED ACOGs or is it specific to the older 4x32? I assume it's the same mounting pattern but if it's not I still have this RCO I could use it with just in case.>>62697440What's coming in two weeks? Some sale event?
>>62697456>Some sale event?The synagogue of savings opens its blemished doors once again
>>62697456it's the one day of the year worth gunsooming g$. i paid $60 for a tano lower and around 145 for the SSAE (pic related)
>>62697486The real sale of the year was hurricane relief SSA's for $100 last week
>>62697461>>62697486>>62697493I'll hold off, then. It's going to take at least a couple of weeks for all the parts and optic to arrive, I've got time to burn. Thanks, dudes.
>>62697486>it's the one day of the yearIt's open a few times a year though
>>62697455Dot + mag now and build an SPR later.
>>62697455Usually a good idea to just get a T2 and G33 and go from there since it’s more useable in a HD / chimp out situation whereas while you can definitely make use of a 2-10 in those situations it’s just easier with a dot,
>>62697408>picWhich LaRue trigger is SS compatible?
Are 9mm AR's really as bad as portrayed?
>>62697652Bruh
>>62697652I have one of the psa ones and it's pretty fucking fun, never had any issues with it. Just sucks that there's no last round hold open
>>62697652Shut up bunni
>>62697108Is there a cooler rollmark
>>62697652Worse, actually.>hello, yes, give me more recoil than a 5.56, and make it awful to suppress.Words uttered by the utterly deranged.MP5 is what you seek.
>>62697750Thats bunni dont reply to him. He doesn't deserve help.
>>62696846Finally picked up an ar, I'm thinking about getting an 18" barrel to swap out the existing 16" for heckin epic spr memes, but are there any practical differences outside of a small velocity bump?
>>62697766>>62697743Who?>>62697750I don't mean the actual shooting dynamics, just the reliability and parts breakages, mostly the latter.
>>62697768No. The velocity bump isn't worth it either and the longer barrel is going to whip more making it inherently (slightly) less accurate. Just get a heavier 14.5 or 16".
>>62697771just buy your anime waifu gun anon
>>62697768Don't do that, just shoot your rifle. Your 16'' is plenty long enough for spr work.
>>62697108my Bushmaster upper got converted into a 733 upper, the lower ironically has a Colt upper receiver on it now with an H&R 14.5 as a 723 clone>>62697125no put it on your SD, just clone me completely at this point desu
>>62697787>>62697861that about matches what I was reading. Longer heavier boltgun barrels work because they're stiff, but in smaller guns it's more of a liability because of harmonics. Got a bunch of 75gr bthp going to take this thing out to the range wml
Only ever used curved triggers. Should I try the flat?
Does Larue have some personal beef with Geissele?
>>62697988flat good for precision
>>62698010Mark has a problem with anyone happily married
>>62697988The standard MBT already has an improved (straighter) trigger bow, so the flat seems unnecessary
Also>M.I.M.'dWtf is this?
>>62698055google it>>62698010Mark can instantly identify semites and redditors, so him and Bill can't get along.
>>62698055It's the key to Bill's 200% markup
>>62698066>google itNot sure if it's metal injection molding or made in malaysia
>>62698010yes, because triggers are just polished tool steel, Bendy Bill takes advantage of you more than LaRue's still acceptable profit margin.
>>62698038>>62698066I have an MBT-2S and a SSA-E. The Geissele is slightly better but all these Larue social media posts just come off as an inferiority complex.
>>62697988What the fuck? That Jew raised the price
>>62698074i always say Made in Milwaukee
>>62698055It means made in India
>>62698085I have a Geissele SD-E, SSP, and SD3g.MBT-2s is better than all of them.
>>62698085Agree I rock a ssa-e and lt660 on my rifle
>>62698055Didn't he stop milling them?
>>62698172no
>>62698089sar, delete this sar
>>62697402I love pale girls with big tits. A friend from highschool formed a major crush on me in college and she was like comically ideal. Pale, blonde, beautiful face, 5'2 or shorter, 110 lbs, but D cups because of how boob measurements work. Incredible. Never got to fuck her when she broke up with her bf but I did get some nice snaps.
>>62698262
>wife’s black boyfriend bought me a 20 round box of sig black for my aero 20 upperYABBA DABBA DOOO I LOVE BEING MARRIED
>the sticky got big bold letters and jannies cleaned up the catalogue When did that happen? Maybe now I'll shell out for a new A-model lower.
>>62696972GenXfag who grew up reading SOF, thanks gonna head down memory lane.
>>62698357Damn, if only the posts had some kind of time stamp.
>>62698089I bought a nickel slide catch not knowing it was from India and the finish was so shitty I sent it back unopened. FFS if I could only find a nickel P Series mag catch and decocker. Windham gang.
Does OAL matter for bullpups to not be considered SBRs despite their barrel lengths? Is that why they all have fuck long LOPs to skirt that law? Huge gay if true.
>>62691857Is this real?
>>62698374No, it's only barrel length.
>>62698374>Is that why they all have fuck long LOPs to skirt that law?No, that's just because bullpups are a bad idea and suck ass.
Does anybody make a slick side a1 upper with m4 feed ramps? Pic rel is the first thing I found but it has rifle feed ramps, and its probably going to be more money than its worth having feed ramps milled in
>>62698517If your only criteria is m4 extensions then H&R have that, likely Del Ton too.
>>62698381No that go to bed
>>62698546what?
>>62698010Nah
Remember to appreciate your rifle's cuteness.
>>62698767Cuteness?Fucking faggot
>>62698767it'd be a lot cuter if it were painted
Ase ultra dual 556 cans good ?Can’t find any thing other then chills on yt.
>>62698945>glass breaker on a can
>>62698945keep asking its not the same people in every thread one of these days someone will know
>>62698959Not good ? Ameriga bleaze exblaine.
>>62698975It’s a yuro can nobody here knows about them.
>>62699004reread my post but sarcastically this time
>>62698980just buy a fucking b&t can whats wrong with you man... ase utra is great, but you either have to use their own muzzle devices or use the damn heavy as shit NATO interface, which also makes the suppressor longer...
>>62698980see >>62699004it just looks like mall ninja shit so i hate it at face value. how many times have you been faced with a situation that required you to breach a window with your rifle? I can also see the "glass breaker" snagging itself on everything it touches
>>62698945It’s a very old flow through design from what I’m reading. Can you not get a B&T SRBS over there?
>>62696972When I was at Bragg in the ‘80’s the local bookstores and newsstands but Soldier if Fiction with Mad Magazine and National Lampoon.
>>62698980just buy a surefire
>just finished shooting my ar15>watching talk tuah >listening to KSI in the thick of it>eating my Mr Beast lunchly washed down by a PrimeLife’s good bros
>>62699053>>62699018Will go for a bt srbs if i end up buying a can.>>62699024Understandable >>62699004Yeah and every review i see from it are euro and chills thats why i was asking here.
>>62699119>all this goyslopplant a garden my man
>>62699133please anon, I'm begging you to stop taking the bait
>>62699119kino
anyone try the new holosun thermal yet? seems to be in stock.
>>62699156Feels like a meme. What do you want it for? Just I have a 1x thermal on a rifle?
>>62698055Metal injection molding.
>>62699143He's fully conditioned to speak in ebonics and internet slang. He will never stop taking the bait.
>>62699119C O O K E D
You guys gonna cop this drip?
>>62699156Cringe ass Overton index youtube channel did a cursory review on it, says he hastily put out a video asap to warn people about how shit it is before he puts out the detailed shitsplanation. Only review of the thermal one I've heard of, I didn't watch the whole thing though
>>62699156It's a nice proof of concept but you will die
>>62699119What else could you say except YABBA DABBA DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>62699208want one of their balaclavas so maybe
which one is better 6mm ARC or 6mm MAX
>Finally found a Noveske gen 1 lower for sale>Guy wants $500I'll never be drippy enough...
Country fried steak best breakfast
>>62699219I have one, seems nice. Fits really well. No idea why I bought one or when I'll wear it
>>62699163Thermal capability in a small form since I can’t fit a rh25 on the rattler
>>62699250For me, it’s the lunchly turkey stack ems
>>62699208no but i ordered the monkey fish gloves recently. plan is to put those over my mechanix when it's winter time cold
can the HUD be turned off? it looks like it would be incredibly distracting
>>62699250I just have eggs over easy over white rice. it's definitely not the best breakfast but it takes 10 minutes to make and I don't have to do anything
>>62699267That's a good one. I rely on my local diner for country fried steak, if I'm getting paid well I usually opt for picking up breakfast because the quality goes up. One of the regulars bought a cybertruck. What kind of rice are you using? For ARs it's post sample lower, poverty CL upper with a primary arms prism btw
>>62698306So much of this image looks AI generated but I know it's not
Of all the scw/pdw type stocks which is the best or least worst
imagine carbs in the morning lmao shugddthis also my lgs has the holochink thermal and I walked by it and said "neat" and kept walking
>>62699299Why do they call it the 360thermal? Because you do a 360 and walkaway xd
>>62699294for me? It's the LWRC UCIW
>>62699299I'm bulking and eat oatmeal and a bagel every morning
>>62699344Does that really count? Kak is shorter anyway
>>62699266You won't see it anyways due to how shit the screen is, think scope shadow
>>62699352Yes dipshit and so what
I've been trying to budget for the past year and it's left me with a monthly gunsooming budget of $300 which can only be spent on ammo
>>62699358I like kak more. I have both.
>>62699119>the intrepid (you) farmer is up with the rising sun, already hard at work toiling bait for more (you)s
>>62699351>grain sludgefucking disgusting>>62699361gotta up your game, player
>>62699299Imagine not
>inb4 cico
>>62699279Just regular white rice
>>62699375I started a business and now I have less free time and less disposable income. But my net worth has never been higher
>>62699294
>>62699383I assumed you were using some 60 second brand
inb4 bulletproof coffee
>>62699386Dead foot Arms makes some great stuff teeebeee8ch
>>62699393You talking about the coffee with butter in it? Never understood why that was such a big meme
Country fried steak left unfinished, filled up too much on hashbrowns loaded with some egg yolk from the sunny side up eggs and brown gravy. Used to associated white gravy with breakfast, brown with dinner, but I have learned the error of my ways
>>62699375>fucking disgustingI like grain
>>62699407Dave asprey tried yak butter tea and made a diet around it
>>62699410I took my idiot little brother out for lunch a while back and he got chicken fried steak with white gravy, mashed potatoes with white gravy, and rice with white gravy. Then he complained about there being too much gravy.
>>62698101I've got two SSPs(amongst a lot of other G$ triggers at this point), one is normal and another is blem. They are by far my favorite triggers but my normal one is very negligent discharge death trigger tier and my blemula one is a little heavier but perfect safety wise. I'm still evaluating but the SSP has got to be my favorite trigger I've got so far. Interested in trying a larue single stage now but I've never even talked to someone who owns one
>>62699445Based retard learned from the experience. Bet he threw it away and the coons ate it. And the racoons too.
>>62699219>>62699259>>62699208Jew fucked up the stitching on them so the seams are right under your fingernails. Also they are made in pakistan and fit like shit.
>>62699391No I just use a rice cooker
>>62699454Which g$ trigger? Ssae? Bum comparison, sd3g or ssaex now we're talking right
>>62698055>Wtf is this?You take a bunch of metal dust. Spit on it. and squeeze it together. So it makes parts very cheaply but of very low quality/strength.Its use in firearms was pioneered by Rob Cohen at Kimber firearms! After working heavily on quality firearms at Kimber he moved to Sig Sauer where he converted all sig parts into mim! Bendy bill after observing the savings really decided to cash in and went for mim triggers!
>>62698705Boomers should not be allowed on the internet
>>62698767You live in a shithole
>>62699510what's the realistic cost of having a sot? talked to a couple people in the biz and they assured me I would make my money back on the taxes just for sot and FFL (07/02) with just a few jobs. Could you give me a realistic breakdown of costs and logistics, for example do you own some personal machine guns on top of what I assume are owned by the FFL? How does that work?
On waitlist for a Borah UL bivy and picked up a used velocity systems jungle kit, prepping for some probably springtime Nat forest exploration. I hope everyone cleared their house for fun at least once today
>>62699510We've seen bolt catches snap, but when has a MIM trigger ever failed catastrophically? Mil spec permits MIM because it's a total non issue
There’s gonna be a Thunder Ranch rifle course near me, should I do it? My only professional gun training is with handguns.
>>62699549Careful if we post the broken mim triggers you will trigger the bill g shill that triggerd into making triggers!>>62699547>Borah bivy>Velocity jungle kit off tacswapSounds gucci dude.You will be enjoying>>62699543$500/yr sot$50/yr FFL ($150 every 3yr)$550/yr is your total cost minimumPersonal firearms are personal firearmsFFL items are FFL itemsIdeally they are tagged and separated. >>62699552Only if clint is there.
>>62699549>dryfires once>hammer explodes
>>62699559Did the cost drop? Last I checked it was $150 for the 07, no?
>>62699208Are those the gloves a2 censors?
>>62699567Read again.But dont expect to make any money>>62699573No
>>62699559Smelly surp with secret holes is just not worth anymore, I expected the borah stuff to be way more expensive honestly. I know there is 0 material to it but I imagined it would be 1.5x at least the current pricing
>>62699547Give me your impressions on the velos
>>62699549Uh oh now you've done it, get ready to see the 1 (one) image that exists on the entire Internet of it happening
>>62699588Milspec triggers are MIM how many of those have failed?
>>62699584Take it with a grain of salt I am a reformed ak lover with Wolverine as my only prior experience but it’s pretty great. Will be buying a saker k for my next can though, no regrets about the Velos I don’t think there is anything else out right now I’d rather have. Even with all that shit on the gun it’s not overly front heavy, which is one of my biggest concerns.
>>62699588Kek
>>62699597Milspec hammers have a cut plate disconnector, not a mim disconnector. When overgassed your bolt is going to go faster and slam that hammer into the disconnector much faster. This is why they break. Sometimes its the hammer that breaks other times its the disconnector itself. The cool thing about mim is the consistency is so fucked you will just never know.>>62699582Yeah thankfully cuben/dyneema and silpoly is very fast material to sew since its so thin. Its borderline home machine tier material.
>>62699599Are you using the asr mount or did you swap it? Hard to tell from the pic
>>62699619ASR flash hider yeah, the lockup and on/off is very nice. Great system
>>62699578really? You are the person who has told me it'll cost the least and the only one who has told me I won't make money. Anyway what is your experience with scw/pdw type stocks and their accompanying weird bcgs
A2 only answers two types of questions directly: suppressor or thermal questions
>>62699597u get aids
>>62699645>only one who has told me I won't make money.>Margins on guns are awful and nobody is buying guns right now>Margins on ammo dont exist>Margins on accessories only matter if you have a storefront and can sit on them4>Margins on cans are great but availability shaky and you better have printing/pay for a kioskCircle your profits>SCW/PDW stocksReally liked my maxim stock.Dont like the ones that require proprietary carriers as most dont have sear trips and they end up lightening bolt mass as a whole.>>62699650https://magic-8ball.com/Try this
>>62699614These new kids don't shoot so they've never heard or read the old boomer forums about broken disconnectors runaway guns and riding the lightning then swearing to the other boomers that you don't have an illegal rifle etc
>>62699666yeah you should probably leave that one in the rock and a retarded shitty version of king arthur can find it in 20 years
>>62699672IT HAPPENED TO MEIT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU!>>62699674Was pretty bussin build FR Enjoyed 2015
>>62699156Pretty much the only use case I see for it is with a mono pvs14, you use the pvs on your non dominant eye and use the 1x thermal to shoot. Kinda dumb but it works in that scenario
Why do some people mount sights far up on their rifles?
>>62699683256 sensor kinda dogshit, doubly so with a tiny objectiveEspecially at night when it becomes a thermal only optic.Just a bunch of jagged lines and false positives from hot terrain/edges.
>>62699666how do you like the maxim style of pdw stock vs the mini milspec such as LMT, LWRC, and KAK have? What about the dead foot arms scw system that's stupid short? All their systems let you shoot full auto without any extra parts. Seems like there are more options than ever on top of the usual ar-180 suspects. I know you ride and die by the SCAR platform but if you had to stay as close to milspec AR15 as you could go, would you stick with the maxim thing?
>>62699683>pvs14 non dominant eyeHow is my thermal supposed to see through my glass?
>>62699690They saw a YouTuber do it
>>62699692Fair enough. That was the only use case I could come up with in my head. All 3 of my uppers are 16” and have birdcages, printx c a good can choice? Any other recs?I am going to buy a pvs-14. I may step up to duals one day but this will let me see if they just rot on a shelf or if I’ll actually use em. Any recs on what/where to buy?
>>62699677select-fire milspec fcg gtg? Or KIDS (killed in da street)
>>62699690The further away the sight is from your eye the more peripheral vision you have
Is chasing decibels performance in 556 cans a lost cause? Is flash suppression the main thing to look for then?
>>62699677A2 what is your go to set of night vision?
>>62699707Custom night vision actually lists specs Elbit white phos with the highest SNR and lowest halo you can find without blems in zone 1 or 2.Ignore res, ignore FOM
>>62699716Decibel performance with any super sonic has a ceiling right now.
>>62699714not true I have super fov on my scope I can see better through it than out it>>62699666>Circle your profitsovercharging retards to zero their guns and built out their kits and conversions to fuel my machine gun habit. That was the plan all along, seems to work for a buddy o mine.
>>62699720Yeah but it doesn't mean it can't be meaningful reduced since decibels are logarithmic. They make it SOMEWHAT better even with supersonic 556 just from personal experience.
>>62699700Just slightly shortened buffertubes as a whole arent a problem assuming youre fine with the limited buffer/spring options.When fully collapsed they are sort of hard to use but dont really need that.>Deadfoot goof shitNah.>Would you stick with the maximYeah absolutely. Rock solid stock and cuts off a good amount of length. >>62699707If youre only going to run it on a 16" perhaps a mini-k printx to shave length off that hting.>Any recsUsed omni 8 pvs14 off tacswap>>62699710Works GOOD>>62699721I mean if youre good with welding and general fabrication there absolutely is money in it.
>>62699726Absolutely. I'm just saying there is a ceiling that you will realistically hit unless you start getting wacky which isn't feasible.
>>62699727I had one deadfoot arms MCS. It was fine but I soon realizedA. Shooting while folded is a gimmick best left for meme guns2.Messing with TWO SPRINGS AND A PLUNGER AND THE BCG AND EXTRA STEPS for disassembly made switching it out a non-starter, made diagnosing issues even harder across a systemIII. Added weight AND LOP when unfolded.Usagunbunker shills them so hard though and I like his cars
>>62699731I don't disagree. I'm not well versed in current suppressor tech. Have we reached that limit? Are we close? If yes to either, which can is it
>>62699727With 16” guns am I better off just getting a good 3 prong on them than getting a can/cans?
>>62699727Crane data implied groups started opening up with their cqbr uppers after only 10,000 rounds. Does that line up with your experience, do even SOCOCK profile CHFCLBBQ barrels melt way faster on shorter barrels than longer ones? I know you've shot out a few barrels in your there lifetime with what not I tell ya
>>62699727I think i know the answer to this but are titanium cans 100 percent totally retarded on semi auto rifles?
>>626997613 prong is always a great placeholder but a can goes on everything. Even a k can
>>62699690Parralax, eye relief, they know how to shoot(you're talking about red dots it sounds like)
>>62699761Get a can man, saker k or something. It is life changing, then get an SBR if you don’t live in a cucked state
>>62699692Would anons idea be dumb with a better clip on/tws? Mono pvs/tws for nv setup on a budget?
>>62699752>A. Shooting while folded is a gimmick best left for meme gunsBased and factual>>62699761Can for sure>>62699765Unless its a hunting/fun specific gun the sparking will always be an issue>>62699763Groups opening up and being shot out are two different things.>CHFCLQWTBGQNah CQBR uppers are thin profiles and button rifled colt (probably rosco poop contract barrels at that point)Id fully believe a button rifled CL barrel will open up at that point
>>62699795So all other things being equal a short barrel will get shot out as fast/as slow as a longer barrel of the same specs otherwise
>>62699795Ok, any other cans to look at other than the mini k printx? Saker k?
>>62699795I need to figure out a way to compile a list of what suppressors are worth buying or considering for purchase. The data i find about suppressors is all over the place with "reviews" being heavily skewed towards one arbitrary metric. Weight is a massive deal to me i know you say it doesn't' matter but i lift weights regularly and am fairly strong but holding a heavy gun up for long periods of time is very hard. Ok you are usually resting on gun on something but its still something that should be considered at least a little bit. You aren't putting 5 pound suppressors on rifles right. Flash/ spark is very important noise reduction is probably the least given the least weight by me personally but the more the better ceteris paribusdurability/longevity matters but on semi auto rifles i don't know how much it matters in practice or what weight to give this. as far as i can see the rc2 is good kac cans are good but can get heavy and are very expensive. The b&t cans have very good performance and are very cheap so they seem to be what i am leaning towards these days. I know you mentioned the saker 556k before and some other random cans. Is there anything else that should be added to the list? What specific b&t models are worth looking at for the rifles you suggest in these threads?
>>62699795>roscoe shit talk detectedActually, roscoe is untested. There’s a possibility that they’re okay (for button rifled chrome lined barrels)Once they get the equipment to hammer forge, it’s ogre for you Mr. GripsBtw they make medium profile barrels, now. Expo Arms is the brand of the (fiscally irresponsible) people
>>62699795Mr grips what evidence do you have that PSA isn't buying their FN barrels done and dusted and is allowing their monkeys to finish them in house
>>62699805 There is no universal wear constant, it depends on cadance. barrel material, ammo etc. When you shoot out a barrel from just sustained semi auto decent cadance fire, not some torture test shit you want to pay attention to muzzle and throat erosion. Throat erosion from the chamber end will decrease accuracy as time goes but if you are just blasting steel/cardboard you likely wont notice it fall off that dramatically. Becomes a question of what your definition of shot out is.In a precision rifle this will likely occur first and will result in you noticing the barrel is less accurate when shooting groups. This might yield less than acceptable accuracy and meet the criteria for "shot out" for that precision gun.Muzzle erosion on the other hand will gradually get worse in terms of accuracy until you lose muzzle stability and the projectiles are tumbling at like 10yd. At that point the rifle is probably fairly unsafe to shoot and is shot out regardless of the type of shooting you do. One of my BCM CHF CL barrels for example has about 5" of rifling from the chamber and then 6.5" of smooth bore until the muzzle. This is extreme muzzle erosion and resulted in pic rel. That keyholing happened because the bullet was being gripped and spun unevenly by rifling that was eroding eccentrically toward the muzzle end and after passing through 6.5" of that it had destabilized and ultimately keyholed.Now if you have a longer barrel there is more rifling (duh) so there is an argument to be made that you will get marginally more stability before it enters that muzzle erosion area of destabilization. But none the less a 14.5 with 6" of eroded rifling is going to be fucked up like an 11.5" with 6" of rifling. That 3" is going to make such a slim margin of improved lifespan imho that I dont think you will be able to quantify it due to material variances and cadence variances.1/2
>>62699867>>626998052/2Longer barrels with longer gas systems do suffer less gas port erosion which is nice for longevity but ultimately effects accuracy minimally.Pic rel, the minimally rifled BCM CHF CL.>>62699809For dedicated 16" usage?You could always OCM5 if your rifle supports that>>62699829Suppressor reviews are going to greatly accelerate in numbers and devalue in terms of utility now with 48hr form 4s. For general purpose 5.56 cans I do enjoy the saker 556k, b&t 5.56 rotex print x compact and the RC2. Anything deeper than that I think really considers a platform consult.>>62699831>Actually, roscoe is untested.What are you possibly smoking? >>62699837Testimony from a former FN CHF machine operator.
>>62699878https://bt-usa.com/products/rotex-556-mini-k/so would this be good on an spr?
>>62699829I have shot quite literally almost every 5.56 can currently on the market thanks to my job and the CAT WB is my favorite. Extremely low flash, inconel, very light weight and just slightly more gas than a huxwrx flow 556k. Yeah their marketing is pure shit but the can is incredible. Velos is a good runner up but heavier.
>>62699878>Testimony from a former FN CHF machine operator.noice so did he say what you described in previous threads: they sell PSA chrome linked blanks and PSA is CNCing the chamber, gas port, and muzzle?
>>62699878Stories of nu-colt barrels wearing out more?Unrelated Q PLEASE ANSWER MR. GRIPS: how to engrave form 1 lowers? Local trophy shop inside the magwell? Just form 4 a good sbr?
>>62699905meant to say chrome lined, my brain is holding PSA tolerancesGood enough for government work
>>62699758No we haven't reached it yet as people are experimenting with 3D printed both plastic and metal, flow through, different baffle design, flash hider tips, etc. >which can is itThere is no one can that will be best because they all have tradeoffs.
>>62699890Wuggy indeed runs that on his SPR and indeed testifies it as good.I liked it when I shot it.>>62699905>CNCing the chamberI pray nobody is doing this.>>62699911Stories of nucolt barrels being fucked from factoryLocal trophy shop or NFA engraving place will do it. Inside magwell kinda dumb imo just do it on side of receiver next to existing SN or similar.
>>62699919right but we are talking about what specific can comes closest to the theoretical decibal reduction limit, all other "tradeoffs" don't matter.
>>62699921I have seen the gcode for it, it's possible in most modern turning centers. Granted you can chamber a barrel very fast on a manual machine but I couldn't believe they're still doing that for scale anymore.
>>62699928Chambering has to be done before chrome lining anon
>>62699923Huxwrx FLow 556 ti then maybe.
I might go the range today idk. the weather is 50 degrees and rainy so I'm hoping there won't be a lot of casuals that would normally turn out on a monday holiday
>>62699932so FN chambers it, chromes it, then sends it off to psa to drill the gas port and do the muzzle? Or PSA is also doing the chromelining process?
>>62699975>so FN chambers it, chromes it, then sends it off to psa to drill the gas port, install exension and do the muzzle?Bingo
>>62699990okay thanks for the clarification. Kinda sounds retarded but hey what do I know
>>62699990maybe I can relay what I learn. I might start working at PSA making barrels lmao
>>62700014Dont break NDAs on public forums>>62699992PSA is betting they can directly/or contract labor at a lower rate than FN charges So labor intensive processes are unloaded.Also allows for various barrel lengths to be made easily
>>62700030>Dont break NDAs on public forumsIf you pull a faggot move like what Pepsi did with those Coke recipe thieves and rat on me for trying to relay cool information. I will end you.
>>62699899>CAT WBThis sounds made up what even is that?
>>62700044CAT "White Bread". Google it
>>62699719Thank you
>>62699702What does non-dominant mean to you?
Should I strip this or just let it ride out in the FDE, the rifle this is going on is primarily black
>>62699968KC take me with you.
>>62700071sub/bot
>>62697455Personally on my shorter 11.5" I've prioritized 1x close range CQB and passive NVG performance over range and magnification. I just got a G45 Eotech 5x magnifier that I'm still trying out, but I watched some random youtube video where this guy said something that makes sense to me which is that one would rather have a good close range optic up close, and a bad long range optic up far, than a good long range optic up far, and a bad close range optic up close. Also one should have an SPR or something to grab if one knows that they're dealing with longer ranges and sightlines. >>62697787Nice. What reticle on the NX8? Have you found a super low profile magnification throw lever? The included "PTL" from nightforce in the usual spot doesn't fit and work on my setup. Also have you considered a piggybacked top dot setup for better NVG use?>>62699156Nice spread>>62699716To an extent. My priorities are just enough dB reduction to substantially reduce shooter fatigue and distracting blast effects on teammates, then flash and spark suppression, then weight and durability. At 100m or 300m the at target sound signature gains from can to can are marginal and don't make much of a difference IMO. >>62699899>CAT WB>very light weightNot at all. It isn't a bad heavy can, but it is pretty middle of the pack if not on the heavier side. >>62699890I have that can and I need to test it with more ammo but I'm happy with it on my 14.5" currently. Read my above listed priorities for a 5.56 suppressor though to understand how I'm evaluating it.
>>62700129>on my shorter 11.5"Shorter than an 11.5 of equivalent length ?
>>62700092Not me, I'm at work
>>62699702It's a dedicated thermal optic there is no other glass.
>>62700188Oh okay. I interpreted it as having it on your helmet.
>>62700213Yeah it's some new holosun gizmo.
>>62700129>reticleMIL-XT>throw leverHaven't found the need for anything other than the PTL so I haven't looked.>piggyback top dotyeah but the placement doesn't work great for passive.
AK fag hereWhat's the best complete lower I can slap on a Daniel m4a1 block 2 upper
>>62700245I like an ambi selector because I’m a retard. But if you don’t then an aero one is probably fine. Check buffer and spring but otherwise g2g
>>62698362When I'm in a manic state I can't read numbers very well. It allows me to make bad purchasing decisions and overspend.
>>62700245Build a lower so you can understand it, CM4 and Luth AR M16 LPK, buffer tube, buffer, spring, and stock of your choice GTG
Dedicated tws recs? Dont need it to act as a handheld
>>62700261I wouldn’t expect an ak fag to stake it thoT. Akfag
>>62700264We do clipons here unless you're making a dedicated hog/predator rifle
GOD DAMNIT just realized none of my packages will be delivered today because there's some nigger federal holidayWTF
>>62700300I know we do, then shill me clipons.I was thinking of doing a dedicated night upper (bcm blem) tws, maybe lam
>>62700336Get a job you bum.
>>62700336sorry bro
>>62700336Not niggers, recreational mouthwash enthusiasts
>>62700129>have that can and I need to test it with more ammo but I'm happy with it on my 14.5" currently.I may just get one and try it >>62700132You really should include some can suggestions with your 4 food groups.
>>62700336those dudes haven't been canceled yet? lol, they're still gettin days on the calendar
>>62700386Rc2Printx mini cSaker k I need a .22 pistol rec
>>62700399Can*
>>62700336I didn't get off today.
>>62700336>>62700363In this house Christopher Columbus is a hero end of story!
>>62700386>You really should include some can suggestions with your 4 food groups.More a POU discussion than an actual buy list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MISTtYdFObsstarting 1 week nofap before dogwife gets back
>>62700434I mean each of those groups has some utility and the 4 covers pretty much any gun anyone would actually need for actual use. So can suggestions for those 4 would cover a lot.
>>62700030why do you have a cloud defensive rein on that gun sir
>>62700349I'm literally at work rn (wfh). Was really counting on some new gun accessories to get me through this case of the Mondays
My foodgroups are:Concealable pistol. Anything from subcompact to fullsize depending on environment, lifestyle, and body.The citizens rifle. 12.5-16" barrel 5.56 with a quality optic and ideally suppressor. This does almost anything you could ever want or need.Long arm. 18-20" 6.5CM or 308 rifle, a highly precise gas gun is preferable but a bolt action will do. Extends effective range far beyond the citizens rifle and dual-purposes as a capable hunting rifle for medium-large game. The right gas gun here also satisfies any DMR/battle rifle use cases.That's it, it's that simple. Anything else is a range toy or unreasonably niche larp.
>>62700599What did you order?
>>62700624My food groups are:CarbsCheeseMeatAlcohol
>>62700624Who asked?
>>62700627a kosher green unity FTC mount
>>62700647Nice. Have you ever used one before?
>>62700637You did, in the future, when you grow up. I'm just getting ahead here.>>62700635Bruh eat a vegetable. Just one.
>>62700661Eew no. Vegetables are for sheep and I am the sheepdog.
Christopher Columbus was based.
>>62700682Unlike you, loser.
>>62700596How do you think conclusions are made ?>>62700624>16" with a canAnon please
>>62700236>MIL-XTNice same here. I got some ranger wrap for mine but haven't put it on as I want to paint the gun first. >other than the PTLYeah I have a Vortex Impact over 4000 mounted to the side of mine rearwards of the turrets and the PTL would interfere with the Impact. There is a second little threaded hole on the zoom ring, any idea what that is?>placement doesn't work great for passiveWhat do you mean? Sell the LaRue and get a Badger, Reptillia, SPUHR, or hell go cheap and light like I did with the PRI ring and top dot setup. If the LaRue is what is holding you back from mounting a top dot, then I would get rid of the LaRue. What thermal? How do you like?>>62700300Nice pic>>62700132Kek, meant on my "short gun of the quiver, the 11.5" etc etc>>62700386Pic related. With the YHM Kurz Ti or I guess a plain taper system (I'm still not sold on them though) you can get a BT Mini 556 K down to pretty absurd length and weight. Absolute smallest lightest 5.56 still acceptable performing can AFAIK on the market that is Inconel. Mine as configured is 4.25" OAL and 9.6oz>>62700399>mini cu wot m8>>62700434>>62700386If POI shift isn't an issue, I'm a fan of can rifle modularity so you can swap cans around depending on application. Also good if poor. >>62700624Absolutely abhorrent anon post
>>62700682yeah fuck you loser
>>62700682
>>62700348Ash Jr.
>>62700698How’s the back pressure on that print x? Is it low enough that you can shoot it left handed (somewhat) comfortably?
>>62700721Cohabitation with livestock is not sanitary
>>62700729I'd be careful saying that with all the furfags in here.
>>62700695>16” with canWait so should I just 3 prong or not???
>>62700729Neither is wiping your ass with your brown hand, Ahmed
>>62700752He contradicts himself all the time. First day here?
>>62700752You should sell atleast one 16" and do an 11.5 with a can16" with can is shrimply long for some things
>>62700752If it's an spr it's fine.
>>62700695>16" with a canYes.>>62700698No. The sooner you accept the light of anons three food groups the sooner you can seek absolution.
>>62700769>Yes.Not the ticket
>>62700762Uhh ones is a ris3 with atacr and Acro stackOne has elcanOne has t2+g33I like them all
>>62700723Haven't done any support side with it yet honestly. I wear wrap around safety glasses when I'm shooting unless doing long range or NVG. I also run Tubbs flatwire springs (I think that these might have a tiny bit more spring power than a normal carbine spring but I could be wrong) and H1, H2, or H3 buffers in almost all my guns. FWIW I haven't had any suppressor induced malfunctions with the PrintX Mini 556K and I'm probably around 500 rounds through it now. Hard to gauge back pressure really because I just don't pay that much attention to that metric personally. I haven't noticed any gas to face issues, but I'm not really looking, and like I said I wear safety glasses. >>62700769>16" 5.56 with a can >the lightgtfo
>>62700776Then do 12.5 instead if you live in some sort of cramped urban nightmare realm and see yourself going through such doorways, or fancy yourself as doing HOT VEHICULAR DISMOUNTS or whatever fantasy has convinced you 4 extra inches makes or breaks you. I did say 12.5-16" after all, and clearly whatever your environment is matters.
>>62700780Have you shot with it at night or dusk at least? I’m curious as to how flashy it is on an SBR. Under 10 ounces with hub mount and made of inconel is really tempting.
>16" with a can is just TOO LONG>It's just not viable!I genuinely don't understand this position unless you live in comblock style housing projects or something. It's shorter than my 24" bolt action which I have hiked miles and miles with in pursuit of elk and moose.What am I missing?
>>62700777checked and based optics selections. I would get the T2 + g33 on something shorter and suppress it but I find that it's already hard enough to gizmomaxx a 14.5 with lasers, lights, and pressure pads for night vision use so I can only imagine the suck trying to that with 4-5 inches less rail space
>>62700805that you are adding weight and length that you don't need for something within the context of red dot + magnifier / night vision active aiming shooting. Can be done != optimal
Is there any way to get the M340DFT Pro body by itself? I don't want the head. Are there airshit M340DFT Pro scout lights? Would a normal 600DF head or PLHV2 head work on an M430DFT Pro body?Any other options for swivel 18350 bodies for use with a PLH V2? Any other 18350 compatible heads to consider or is the PLHV2 still the best balance of throw and spill? >>62700804So I have not done enough low light evaluation with it yet to really make a final call. I will tonight, promise. I put like 300 rounds of M193 through it recently and it was producing sparks when shooting the M193, but I have a feeling that is shitty M193 spitting out unburn powder. That is going to happen regardless of can. I don't know for sure but I'm confident with better powder and ammo if performs acceptably (near zero flash). Ask A2 he also might know. For your info, the weight of the can sans any mount (just hub threads) is 8.5oz and it will be 4" OAL. >>62700805>I don't understand why a long gun is an issue!>Only considering hiking gun aroundCars? Buildings? Also even at intermediate distances in suburban areas, not to mention urban, being able to quickly and repeatedly with minimal fatigue bring the rifle up to presentation plus sight picture is very important. If you're just hiking it around slung and don't need to ready up it as fast as possible because you're about to taking incoming rounds... well yeah, of course you don't mind a 16" AR with a can.
>>62700657Nope just the factory g33 flip-to-side. Have a fast riser for my eotech on the way too
>>62700780>I also run Tubbs flatwire springs (I think that these might have a tiny bit more spring power than a normal carbine springCorrect>>62700777T2+G33 on 11.5>>6270078712.5 a meme lengthChop an inch or two off thatBoom fixed>urban hell and heckin dismountsDawg you live in a house and drive a car aroundIts not unreasonable to want a rifle that fits in them.>>62700805>It's shorter than my 24" bolt actionAnon please
>>62700857>throwing sparksAll 3d printed cans do that for a while, it’s leftover powder from the 3d printing process.
>>62700688>>62700704Fuck you bitch I'd beat the dog shit out of you if we were irl and not online. Full stop.
>>62700865I think you're going to like it. Five seconds with it and I knew I was never going back.
>>62700878The people that don't like you read posts like this and think you are 100% serious.
>>62700891The real joke is I’m also in Orlando and would take him up on it
>>62700912You mess with him and you mess with me too.
>>62700869I could buy an 11.5 and put another t2 on it. I’m really just trying to figure out what muzzle devices for the 16s. Will I be fine with birdcages or 3 prongs under a pvs14?
>>62700698Pretty sure that's just an alternate location for the throw lever.I'm a lot less concerned with passive since that guns going to be wearing the thermal pretty often so I'm in no hurry to ditch the larue mount.>thermalRattler 640 that AGM has in the bargain basement right now. Just came in on Friday and I was busy al weekend so I haven't got to try it out yet.
>>62700926Oh yeah? Let’s have a good old fashioned mcdonalds parking lot beatdown chud
>>62700949The loser has to buy the nuggies. I should warn you my hands aren't just registered deadly weapons they are wmd's. George Bush almost invaded my house but he realized he doesn't want that smoke so he invaded Afghanistan instead.
>>62700972Deal. A2 owns all the mcdonalds so he’ll throw in some sick happy meal toys to who ever gives DMT a piledriver.
>>62700992I'd piledrive a dmt for free but for some happy meal toys I'll piledrive him real good.
>>62700762>shrimply longGrips is on the goofy juice, today! Somebody get this boy off the silly sauce, he’s out of control!
>>62700853I'd argue there are plenty enough benefits to a 16" for the average person. For that added weight and length you get>no NFA/p+w hassle>extra velocity>better performance with a suppressorA reasonable trade imo.>>62700857I'm not gonna argue your points, but the whole premise here is that this is a civilian rifle. Needing a compact, manueverable rifle is just not realistic and in most scenarios where it would be an issue a handgun will do just fine.>>62700869>12.5 a meme lengthI mean whatever I'm not gonna argue over literally 1" of OAL. 12.5 seems like the ideal balance to me but if you think it's 11.5 then do you king.>dawg you live in a houseWhere I'll only ever realistically use or need a handgun.>you drive a car aroundI'm not doing 3AM snatch and grabs of OPFOR leaders, I don't need to pile out of my Camry with my rifle at ready.>>62700938Do a 3-prong for whatever suppressor mounting system you have or think you'll have and be done with it. That simple.
>>62701069"civilians" shouldn't have guns at all
>>62701092Ban yourself immediately.
>>62701069It’s a meme length due to gassing issues, retard>In b4 you could use a custom length system or chop a mid length and open the gas portOr you could just get an 11.5Gb2r
>>62701101Or you just set your gas and buffer up correctly from the start with considerate choice of parts and it's an absolute nonissue you tremendous faggot.
>>62700943>20SFuggin gib a chopped 20S I think might be my next project >640 rattler Oh sick yeah that discount is heavy, let us know how it is. Weigh and measure it if you are inclined >alternate locationI will check again. I wish it was, I think it had a smaller screw. we'll see >less concerned Yeah fair fair. >>62701069>civilian rifleWhat retarded shit are you getting on? You unironically sound like a brady mom talking about weapons of war not belonging on our streets. Civilian rifle vs military rifle wtf?
>>62700943Why have I been seeing so much tripod talk lately? They weren't just invented so something in the meta has changed. How are people using them is it like a stationary location thing or what? I know I'm missing something and I want to learn what it is.
>>62701116Nta but how do you do that with an 11.5? I want it to run suppressed and unsuppressed, and my choice of hand guards don’t play with adjustable gas systems (which are gay as fuck anyway) because hand guards that would work flex like bendy bills member
>>62701098People who refer to themselves as civilians should just kill themselves
>>62701069>Where I'll only ever realistically use or need a handgun.handgun rounds over penetrate more than 5.56 and are less terminally effective which means you may need to fire more rounds to stop a threat barring a CNS hit
>>62701069>handgun will do just fine.Handguns suck at killing peopleHandguns suck at intimidating peopleHandguns suck at dealing with crowdsHandguns suck at shooting things far awayIt seems like your priorities arent driven by practical realities or experience using these platforms for anything more than bench shooting.
>>62701139Its a trendy way to cope with being a shit shot
>>6270114012.5*
>>62701139>whySaddle knockoffs came on the market for bubbas plus swiss/arca grew in popularity.
>>62701139>How are people using themSupporting heavier rifles above the grassWhere previously lighter weight bolt guns would be braced off a ruck or a more hasty hold people realized that a tripod was probably better for a gasgun and absolutely better for followups.>>62700943Now post the landcruiser to blow wuggys mind.
>>62701140brt gas tube with 50/50 option. fitfo for ammo and buffer weights
>>62701168Are ECC gloves desu senpai approved
>>62701181no
>>62701135>chopped 20Very based.I want to do a flushed up AEM5-30 on mine.I'll see if I can find a scale and get you a weight.>>62701139There's very few places outside of a flat range where your 6-9 bipod will get you line of sight.
>>62701135>Civilian rifle vs military rifle wtf?It was always a 'philosophy of use' conversation wasn't it? I don't understand why this is such an emotionally charged issue for you. Civilian in this case is more about what you'll be using the rifle to do. Which isn't kicking doors.>>62701140Just get a carbine length gas system with a barrel by a reputable manufacturer that does things right and you're done.>>62701141OK I'll just use the word citizen instead since you're so unbelievably sensitive.>>62701142>>62701143>Handguns weak.Yeah but entirely sufficient to neutralize a threat inside defensive shooting distances and usable with a single hand, leaving your other one free to call 911 or open a door or grab your toddler or whatever.Why would I be using a rifle to intimidate people or crowd control lmfao. What 'practical realities' are these?
>>62701141I actually agree with this we are citizens not civilians. You don't get to justify killing us like dogs.
>>62701168>>62701135Cruiser posting? At this hour?
>>62701173>>62701116Kilt in da skreets
>>62701204>>62701204>>62701204>>62701204>>62701204>>62701204>>62701204>>62701204>>62701204
>>62701196>Why would I be using a rifle to intimidate people or crowd control lmfaoYeah thankfully we didnt have a summer of riots where people did exactly that or anything.>>62701208Yes based
>>62701215>summer of riots where people did exactly that or anything.And not one single time was a rifle needed because only actual subhuman retards were at any of these protests and they only happened in shit hole areas inhabited exclusively by morons.
>>62701168>>62701194Are tripods not heavy? I kind of assumed they would have to be in order to be functional. I need some hands on experience before I buy in. What I'm having a hard time with is understanding how you would set it up and employ it. What is the situation where you find someone to shoot and have time to get your tripod out before they move to cover or simply walk out of your field of view? Is it for ambushing a static target?
>>62701265Some are some are not it's mostly the ball heard or the arca thing that weighs but cheap ones are obviously heavier too, you can get a lightweight tripod that has a hook and hang a pack off it to weight it down.
