my omni tubes halo must be fucked because my pb3 halos even on the lowest setting lmao

>>62790537

does anyone have information on how much the us gov pays for tubes, specifically 10160.
or just per unit prices on common NV gear.

>>62790577
Trying to be upset that we pay 10k for duals?

I’m kinda interested in a tc35-640 but I do not like the mount at all…

Reposting here
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are there any differences besides the color on the different color brownells mags?

How much will it cost to get a new housing kit (everything but the intensifier)? My tube still works at least

>>62793442
~$400ish and around double that if you need the optics as well.

how much should I budget for a gucci tier pvs-14?
hit me with a number so I have some perspective

>>62794792
$4000

>>62793455
>optics
You mean the lenses right?

>>62794856
yes, so like $800ish for housing kit, battery box and lenses

>>62793455
>~$400ish and around double that if you need the optics as well.
you can get them for ~450 on aliexpress with optics, which is what a lot of people are probably reselling because capitalism

>>62795136
I wouldn't touch those kits with a 10ft pole. mil-spec Carson kit or nothing on a fresh 14 build.

>>62795107
Oh ok
>>62795136
I remember seeing a lindu pvs14 taking five seconds to turn on so thats a no

>>62790537
my new thermal is not aligned correctly it seems causing muh gun to shoot too high to the right at 100 yards. It looks like it fits properly on the rail. If take it off and put an 3.5x holographic optic in the same location the 3.5 is only a little off easily corrected by a bit of windge adjustment. Are there any shims or something? Its a Puslar Talion with a long trapizoidal shape mounting bar on the bottom. I tried the included giant mount bar, and a quick release I bought for it, both the same results, way to high and to the right (so the scope is looking too far down to the left. Ideas?

>>62795925
Your manual should have a zeroing or display alignment guide for you to adjust point of aim to point of impact.

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>>62794792
I just spent ~$4100 after tax on a RVM-14 (milspec optics) with an L3 Filmless tube with the following specs
>SNR 33.3
>EBI .5
>Halo .7
> Res 72
>Gain 64000
and one small zone 3 blem

Just one data point for ya

>>62795978
Its WAY off, the cross hairs are in the far upper right of picture and still not high enough, its looks retarded. There has to be some minor error or something with the base/frame, or mounting screw holes. If I put a thin small diameter shim in the front the sides of the scope base will not meet the sides of the base/mount. I would need something like V with a squared bottom that fit in well.

>>62795995
>There has to be some minor error or something with the base/frame, or mounting screw holes.
Certainly possible, everyone has lemons. If you cannot adjust it properly to point of aim with the onboard controls, RMA it. Don't resort to bubba fixes until the manufacturer is of no further help.

Very good mono or mediocre duals?

>>62796035
is mediocre mono and better supporting equipment an option? I went from an OMNI 14 to L3 binos and while both directions were meaningful upgrades, over years of ownership I've spent not insignificant money on helmet changes, earpro upgrades, lasers for other rifles, better switches etc that I'd trade those overall improvements for tube quality or even a tube in its entirety.

>>62796035
Omni duals with manual gain
Handheld thermal

Upgrade tubes later

>>62796035
>average duals
What is considered average?

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welp, took the plunge

>>62792071
You love to see a crossover

I want one of the new steiner c35's but am worried about the mounting style, it only mounts to objective lenses. It's only going on one gun for now with a 3-18 so it's not about the lack of a traditional mount but I'm worried about how secure this mounting method is. Has anyone seen any horror stories of clip ons coming loose when attached to the bell of optics with adapters?

>>62799186
>from optics planet
>not a vendor that will call you and let you hand pick the exact specs you want and are knowledgeable enough to recommend an actual good specd tube
>also right before a seasonal sale that most of these vendors participate in
you should cancel this order if you still can and order from steele, nighthawk, cnv, or skullcrushed on tacswap

RVM-14 arrived today. It really is an incredible technology, I've been walking around my property all night. I need a sacrificial lens cover and a objective lens cap, as well as a retention cord for the RVM unit itself (thinking I'm going to get the Cold Harbour NOODL). Anything else I should look into? Also, do I need to worry about covering the eyepiece when the unit is not on and in a bright environment? I have done so, and I've heard I should keep the objective covered even when the unit is powered off -- feels like I could keep the eyepiece uncovered tho

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>>62800026
You can flip the Burris rail mount to work with C35 G2, its just a space hog used in that manner. I haven't heard horror stories about objective mounts, just that due to the nature of thermal clip-ons being cameras as opposed to optical devices like NV clip-ons they are more susceptible to zero shift from misalignment.

>>62800059
Retention can be as simple as some gutted 550 or bank line but the various shock cord or retractable retention options are quality of life improvements by staying out of your way without a device mounted. I have shockcord and a surefire clip just looped into helmet vents but the NOODL looks more secure than the ones that only velcro on at least.
The ocular doesn't need to be covered but if you don't use a demist or sac I'd keep caps or a bikini in your storage solution just for dust/dirt protection since the less you have to clean coated lenses the better. Caps are also an easy way to blackbox the unit should you ever need to.

>>62796035
I'm assuming that your budget is basically the same, and you won't be spending too much more or less on one given option. I think there are three main considerations you need to think carefully about: your usage, your environment(s) and your "future with NV". The first two are kinda bound together. Put simply:
If you anticipate running and gunning, where mobility, passive aiming, and general "ease of use" are more important, then the binos. If you want to use them mostly to observe, especially in darker environments, then the mono. Another way of putting it is: if you want to do what you do in the day, at night, what are you doing in the day?
The given environmental conditions at anyone time is very important. However, there is a range of light levels where the differences in performance been "very good" and "mediocre" will be less apparent. However, until it gets so dark that you are really having a hard time seeing even when aided with nods, bino/stereo vision will always, always be easier.
Note: passive/active, static/dynamic, light/dark are all a spectrum, not a binary one or the other.

>>62800059
Yes get a sacrificial lens cover and demist, very little reason not to. Personally I prefer a "soft mounted" retention system but the noodl looks fine. You don't need to "worry" about covering the eye piece, but if I know I will be bringing my nods outside then having a cover on the objective is a cheap, idiot proof insurance solution against a fairly unlikely situation. Other stuff you should look into is a "semi hard" case that you can fit inside your helmet. It's a good balance between protection during transport and volume - having a peli or something is annoying. I got this from aliexpress: "MILITECH TWINFALCONS NVD NOD NVG Garage for Helmet Night Vision Device Goggle Binocular Pouch Storage" Finally get some revision antifog clothes. I have found them better than catcrap and quicker to apply too.

>>62800766
there's probably no way this would fit under a 50mm bell in a 1.34 mount, damn
guess I'll just have to use the objective adapter. I have seen that there is supposedly an aftermarket mount specifically for the c35 g2 coming at least.

dayvision when

>>62801636
Never.

just got my penumbra in the mail, will report back on how it does tonight. For the anon asking in the last thread, it comes with a low mount and the unit is pretty flat so it sits fairly low on a rail. Definitely lower and less chunky than an LS321 or a DBAL A2, heavier than a PEQ-15 (those are my only real reference points because those are the only other lasers I have experience with). Definitely feels like you could beat this thing up without it breaking.
Not sure I like that I paid 1800 bucks for it, but tonight will be the real test

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Dropping some new test footage/comparisons. Production is going a little faster than expected, will definitely be shipping by the end of the month. Here's the VCSEL NGAL beside a FP DBAL A2 (hadn't zeroed the illuminator to the laser yet)

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>>62802680
illum on the night with the DBAL was crazy high, pretty sure it was one of the super moons and was 100% lit. Literally every LAM we played with that night was washed out. Here is footage from last night, virtually zero illum, 100mW LA5C on the left and the M6TR is on the right. NGAL is in the middle with the characteristic hazy/diffuse edges of a VCSEL illuminator. Distances here are out to 600y

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>>62802712
last one for now, just showing the NGAL at varying distances.

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>>62800031
nta but ive bought a lot of pvs14 from op and always gotten great tubes. (you can also return them within 30 days without hassle)

>>62799186
How much did you pay? It may not be a bad deal, depending on price, tube type, and specs.

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>>62802532
update on the penumbra

Ergos remind me a bit of an old DBAL-A2, but the illuminator focus knob being located on the back is a good touch. It's a VCEL illuminator so it punches out to 300m pretty easily without having to sign any paperwork or having to get a grey market FP unit.
Honestly if you want MAWL performance without spending MAWL money this might be the one to get. Still pricey and you could get a used FP PEQ-15 at the same cost but this is 100% more durable and you don't have to worry about a dirty petri dish illuminator spill

>>62804130
How’s the usability of the laser?

>>62804364
It's got 3 modes- high, medium, low. The high output washes out targets at closer distances but the other 2 modes are pretty usable.
Same deal with the illuminator- 3 modes, all 3 are fantastic. It also comes with a flood diffusion cap for the illuminator that works pretty decently as well. I'll have to take some pictures through my tubes at some point for you guys but honestly I'm sold on this thing.

>>62804379
Are the modes between laser and Illuminator individually controlled or is it dual low, dual med, dual high?
Is there a vis laser?
How easy is it to switch between different modes?

>>62804390
Here's a pic for the controls- 2 separate knobs for the illuminator/laser with a throw knob to tighten or widen the illuminator beam. It has a green vis laser. Also has a crane plug.
I'd say it's pretty easy to switch modes, but the knobs are kind of close together and it can be kind of finicky at first. The illuminator won't fire if you have the laser in vis mode. You also obviously have to zero the illuminator independently of the lasers, but the vis/IR lasers are slaved together.

It's mounted on a T2 footprint, and comes with a low profile mount out of the box. Also has a T2 footprint mounting holes on top so you can put a red dot with that footprint on top, which is kind of cool.

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>>62804429
pic related, I'm mentally retarded

>>62804431
What’s “G”?
Those controls seem pretty sweet honestly.

>>62804481
G is for the green vis laser.

>>62804535
I see the Illuminator and laser aren’t slaved. How was it getting them “zero’d”
Also how is it to use from an ergonomics standpoint?

>>62804541
Illuminator was almost 100% dead on out of the box, which was lucky. The laser I just zeroed to infinity and that was simple. It uses recessed zeroing turrets(? Is that the word?) that can be moved by a flathead or the rim of a cartridge. Took me like 3 minutes to zero.
As far as ergos go, it feels a lot like a combination of a PEQ and a DBAL. Small fire button that has a responsive "click" like a DBAL, and it's centered and towards the back of the unit like a PEQ15.
The mode levers are easy to move and have responsive clicks for each selection and the illuminator throw lever feels solid as well

>>62804560
Have you tried using any buttons with the crane plug?
It seems like a cool unit for what it is.
I like the concept of the controls for varying laser and Illuminator power.

>>62804610
I don't use tape switches on my rifles- my hands are big enough to roll over the gun and thumb both the fire button for the IR laser and my flashlight. Helps mitigate accidentally firing off my white light.

i want a fp dbal-a4

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>>62802680
>VCSEL NGAL
can you elaborate a bit more on this? your own creation or invisiblesight?

>>62804130
>>62804379
>penumbra in the wild
nice. does it include a mount? which mounts are recommended, im guessing the lowest ones? is the laser brighter than 0.7mW? can i get more photos of it on your rifle?

anyone got the thermal optic infographic?

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>>62806154
We've been playing with VCSEL prototypes for a while now, mainly PEQs/LA5Cs, but had a feeling people might like the NGAL footprint. So we're making a run of 30 NGALs with green vis lasers. 100mW VCSEL illuminator/40mW laser on HI, 20mW/0.6mW on LOW. They carry a 1-year warranty, include an LA23 switch, and will ship on a guaranteed timeline unlike Invisiblesight. Current price is 1000, but if you don't need ND filters then we can do 850 and just include basic passthrough caps

>>62806303
how waterproof are they?

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>>62806340
Yes. We use the same aerospace grade epoxy L3 uses and seal everything, including the rotary dial (even easier than with PEQs given the NGALs style of selector switch). Turrets get filled and we draw a bead on the front/back plate assemblies.

>>62806303
>0.6mW ir laser / 20mW Illuminator on low
Seems like that Illuminator would be too much and wash out the dot / autogate at close range?

>>62806374
Negative, I have some footage of low to show it doesn't get washed out, but will take more tonight to show it doesn't gate

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>>62806379
Does it have vis override like an NGAL and if so does a unity sync designed for the NGAL work with it and retain the features it was designed for, basically the white light / vis laser override combo?

>>62806395
yup, fully functional vis override just like the real thing

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>>62806372
im resisting really hard. those look dope as fuck.

>>62806372
What’s the weight on these? Is there any sort of warranty or support after purchase if something goes wrong?

>>62806455
That's good to know.
This is a really appealing feature that I think is very underrated.

>>62806372
do you have any feedback anywhere? or vouches?

>>62806154
Yeah, it comes with a low profile mount out of the box.
I'll get more photos today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZH-UDpCU2w&ab_channel=DirtyCivilian
So it was all FUDD lore?

>>62807362
What was?

>>62807379
Optical brightening detergents ruining NIR compliant clothing making them glow under NVGs

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>>62807809
Can you respond to this?

>>62807865
>the US Muttitary knows best

>>62807880
>Follow the instructions of the guys who made the clothes
>REEEE YOU ARE WRONG REEE

>>62807362
>>62807809
The military recommends using "mild detergent that does NOT contain optical brighteners", maybe that is where the "fudd lore" came from.
https://www.aafes.com/docs/ACUSizingChart.pdf

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>Guys test regular detergent in the real world
>Has zero effect on IR reflectivity
>Ask .mil buddies how they washed their BDU's while they were in
>"Oh we just used whatever we had around"
>NVG still spews fuddlore.

Yall will never learn.

>>62807910
Why you so mad that people are following the instructions lmao

>>62807955
I mean, what does anyone expect? Guys who can't afford to know any better take the risk? Nah, may as well just follow the manual.

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Re: that video. Great demonstration of black not being very good.

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>>62808035
whenever i go shooting i paint my steel targets bright orange on one side, and black on the other. when it's time for NV i use the black side because it stands out more under IR.

black literally stands out more than neon orange.

>>62808175
He explained it well in the video. Black absorbs light. So it sticks out like a sore thumb next to everything.

>>62808266
unless im mis remembering, when you put active IR on black surface, it turns white/reflective.

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>>62808281
This is what it looks like.

What are some of the better nvg compatible optics out there? Primarily interested in pistol/microdots, but could use rifle suggestions as well. Hoping holosun made the list.

>>62809281
>EOtech EXPS-3
>Aimpoint T2
These 2 are the meta

>>62809281
>>62809393
nig romeo4t/4xt as well

>>62790537
>buy night vision
>toss it in a cabinet to never use it again
NEAT
I LOVE MY WILCOX MOUNT$

>>62810574
Well that is on you if you don't want to use your equipment.
Many people have had success with using knockoff Wilcox mounts if someone wants to save money on buying a legit Wilcox one.

>>62810582
I just bought the chinkshit sotac cadex mount. does anyone know if you have to swap the screws like you do for the sotac g24 so it's not total shit?

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Gonna swap my 14 to the new SI-14 housing.

>>62810716
You should swap your body from alive to dead faggot

>>62810582
>Many people have had success with using knockoff Wilcox mounts
NTA but, he never said that people didn't or that they're bad mounts. Did that post strike a nerve somehow?

>>62810716
Would you sell me your housing?

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>>62806794
5.5oz, 1 year warranty

>>62806374
here's some new footage from last night on LOW

>>62806870
Not outside of the circles where we've been doing real world testing. The only other units that exist are prototypes

>>62806840
I think it's useful, but also absolutely required to make these accurate replicas

>>62806749
Even though the ND filters are really nice, the laser/illum pattern is very clean out of the box and you don't really need to spend the extra $150. All the models are the same, the only difference is inclusion of the ND filters over the basic passthroughs

>>62811747
Are the ND filters the same thing as a diffuser cap / will these have a diffuser cap?
The quick deployment of the flood function is another thing I really like about the NGAL compared to other MFALs.

>>62809393
Nice. Kinda figured those on the rifle side. Any pistol dot recommendations? Often find myself using pistols more than rifles.

>>62812149
holosun eps or steiner mailbox

>>62812171
Makes me wish holosun went with/chose the acro footprint.

>>62812186
the acro has been an embarrassment for aimpoint, the only other dot I can think of that uses it is the lead and steel PB3 but that thing is shit for nv use, the lowest setting has a nasty halo unless there's a ton of ambient light. the steiner mailbox is decent though, only thing is the battery life is ass.

>>62812196
Can't really speak for the optic itself, but I do love that mounting footprint at least in concept. Battery life on the mps could be worse. Reasonable to expect at least a year of a set of batteries or are we talking more frequent changes? Speaking of 1632's, any of the holosuns decent or are those more straight to jail quality?

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>>62809281
In my own observations the square body Holosuns (508t, 507k, 509t, eps, eps carry etc) all have better light transmission than my RM06.
The round body holosuns (507c) work ok for passive but aren't great

On durability Holosuns aren't quite best-in-class but they're close.
Don't let fags bully you out of using some of the best pistol optics on the market.

>>62812262
Going to have to check those out as not 100% familiar with the holosun line. I figure they're probably at the same level or better than cmore dots for the price.

Obviously a buy once cry once situation for everyday shooting stuff, but I also have a couple guns that aren't daily shooters that I'd still like to mess around with in the dark. One actually is the most cursed beretta 92fs you've ever seen. It was destined to be a crew-served, dedicated night gun. Once I get the dot, you'll be seeing it posted here.

>>62812348
the only enclosed pistol dot i would even consider "buy once cry once" is the RCR but even it isn't any better than anything holosun offers

>>62804431
What's the weight on this?

>>62812348
NTA but I'd say EPS has better notch than 509
>SCS soon

I have an SCS. It's ok. It gets washed out in the sun very easily but at least you can still see the irons. It's auto adjusting only so depending on what you're doing that could be a con. There's also no way to change battery so once it's done it's done.
It's fine for a low profile EDC. I think I'll switch to the holosun 507C red after this dies.

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>>62809281
I picked up two of the new Meprolight mailbox dots, gonna peep one tonight under nods to see how it does. Been happy with it thus far

>>62804130
4MR guy just released this video about the Penumbra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsIEP4CelU4
>>62815016
Looks like its around 10oz: https://shoptheprotector.com/penumbra-laser-aiming-module

>>62817287
I really like the modularity of outputs.
Can you direct mount it to pic rail instead of using a mount?

>>62817741
Unless you have a hand guard rail that has some way to directly interface with an Aimpoint T2 footprint, you will have to use the provided mount or another T2 footprint mount of your choice.

>>62817766
I think this would be too tall to have in front of my elcan then.
Maybe their version 2.0 will have a direct mount and slimmer profile.
Seems like a really cool device but I'm not giving up even more of my daytime usability for something that makes up a small percentage of my shooting.

>>62814319
Fair, haven't had a chance to deep dive the holosun offerings yet, but they do seem enticing for the price.
>>62815463
Now if we could only standardize. I gotta get this thang milled
>>62816758
Very interested to see how those look in the dark.

>>62818450
it's the same height if not lower than a dbal a2

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>>62790537
Should I get an X300V or a M640V for a helmet-mounted IR/White light flashlight?

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>>62790537
these are too good to be true right?

>>62818948
el retard has arrived

>>62819028
is it not good? what’s wrong with them?

>>62818936
I've seen more people use the x300v on their helmet for when they need a flood IR or white light. This seems to be a good mount for that light setup: https://thyrm.com/product/variarc-helmet-mount/

>>62818936
I use helmet mounted x300v and it works fine.
The beam is a little on the narrow side. It is almost more like an IR illuminator.

>>62819142
What did you pay for yours?
Everywhere I see is asking $400-$450, (tax/shipping not included) which is almost double what I paid for my X300U. The only places that have it cheaper are those sketchy dropshipping sites on gun.deals

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>>62790537
Good black Friday deals at Cold harbour supply for leaf bros

https://coldharboursupply.com/

>>62819256
just buy a sotac vampire and SS max for like $70. you can get away with the cheapo clones for a helmet task light

>>62819256
forgot my link. the m300v with ss bracket is what you want.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/405067244997

>>62818651
with or without the mount?
I can't find any actual dimensions for this thing but I guess it also weighs 10oz.

Lol after spending more time looking at it
https://ammjsolutions.com/store/ols/products/penumbra-lam
This thing looks like they took the prototype for the M6TR which included an RMR plate but with increased the dimensions to fit the dials on the back.

https://www.ddlaserspeed.com/product/visible-and-ir-aiming-laser-with-ir-illuminator-1

Someone on r*ddit pointed out it's the same adjustment dials that LS uses and it definitely is so I wouldn't be surprised if LS commissioned it for this literally who company aka one guy in a garage with a 3D printer.

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I want to cry once buy once (binos), which housing with L3 tubes do I choose and from who?

>>62819495
>>62819505
It looks more like the old laserspeed m3, with a different shell. Almost all the buttons and knobs correlate to the same place.

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Even the marketing materials are identical to what LS does
Fuck this nigga I aint buying that rebranded chinkshit for $2,000 lmao

>>62819505
Yeah they were posted here.

>>62819541
Regardless, it's almost definitely a rebranded LS product.
Which means
>it's not worth $2,000
>it's going to need at least 2 more revisions before it's actually good

>>62819525
How much money do you want to spend

>>62806794
>epoxy potted
>warranty
there is fuck all he can do to repair one of these. if you think he is going to give you another for free, then you're delusional. given his small scale of 30 he cant even send you a replacement if he wanted to. he certainly doesnt have it in his budget to offer any kind of warranty.

>>62819588
want to spend: none
willing to to spend: <$15k

>>62819495
with a mount. probably lower considering the steiner qd mount is a fat fuck.

>>62819663
DTNVS-MG with L3 tubes is probably the best on the market right now.

>>62819629
good point, NGALs are unserviceable because once you crack off that plate it ain't going back on. I remember seeing some people on r*ddit tear apart somos and say they were bricked after disassembly

>>62819679
any reason you suggest it over the manticore other than price?

>>62819724
manticore has teething issues still, button failures, electronics failures, etc. I'd just go with something proven and the DTNVS-MG is probably tougher. a lot of people have said they don't like the button press gain adjustment because it's incremental instead of gradual like you get with a knob adjustment system.

>>62819736
valuable insights, thanks anon

>>62819753
no problem. the manticore and mh-1 are nice housings with some cool features but in the end if I had the choice between them I'd pick the DTNVS for sure. at the end of the day the mh1 and manticore are housings designed for the civilian market in mind and the DTNVS has been battle proven.

For the lasersneed m6 owners, how are they holding up?

>>62819525
PVS31a. Off the shelf gold standard, one and done. Don't get custom tube anything, don't get civilian-specialized anything.

>>62820078
honestly buying anything without pvs-14 optics these days is pants on head retarded. and 31a tubes ARE technically "custom" tubes.

>my new hybrid binos are only 1500FOM
>my green pvs-14s are only 1600FOM
It's over, fom

I need someone to hold me and tell me my mediocre FOM tubes aren't trash. They aren't trash, are they?

>>62820119
>1500 fom fusion goggles
you bought NNVT chinkshit didn't you? you knew you were buying garbage but did so anyways

>>62820085
Won't ever matter unless you're playing poorfag frankenstein. If something breaks go through l3's warranty.

>>62820119
Don't be put down by anons with gucci gear. Medicare FOM tubes are still tubes If your tubes are Gen 3 tubes they're fine. If they're Photonis they're still okay. If they're NNVT they're trash but still better than 99.9% of digital and will serve you just fine in higher / mixed light environments. You don't need the best to have fun in the dark.


>>62820142
NNVT chinkshit fusion is still fusion. The thermal won't be great but it does partly makes up for a NNVT's dogshit low light performance (Although it doesn't make up for the dogshit glass chinese fusion devices have). I wouldn't exactly recommend chink fusion unless you've got some money to burn and care more about getting something interesting than getting your money's worth, but if you do go that route they're not fully trash.
t. have the weird Lindu/detyl fusion biocular thing with an NNVT tube. (I'd replace the tube but it uses a weird noninverting 10160-ish thing)

>>62820142
y-yess... I missed out on the 1900FOM chink model for 2k more. I'm such an idiot! They don't seem that terrible..

>>62820227
I turn down my pvs-14 gain all the way to adjust to my natural night vision anyway. I guess they are mostly cool toys. FOM is getting a little out of hand these days... Guess I'll just spend my next disposable lump sum on some TNVC supergains and call it good

>>62820318
you could have just bought a set of omni 8 duals for the money you wasted on chinkshit and then bought a thermal clip on or thermal scope.

>>62820326
All these brand names and generations are so confusing. I think I have 2 Harris PVS14's from tnvc so they aren't trash, right? Besides, green is cool. The chinkshit was pretty appealing, not gonna lie... Putting a mini thermal on your head is not fun.

And I don't want to talk about thermal. RH25 V2 just came out with double the resolution screen and it makes my RH25 I bought a few months ago also look like grainy trash. Fuck.

>>62820338
Update your firmware, dipshit

>>62820691
NO, they just put in a new screen in the units so they are twice much better magnified. I have to leave mine on a shitty 10.5 with a 1x GLX prism from now on and that's non-negotiable. My firmware is fine

>>62819034
>>62818948
Digital junk, at least look for gen 2+

>>62820715
So you're already on 124?

>>62819687
>>62819629
L3 doesn't pot their units and these are entirely serviceable. We would have to redraw the bead around the front/backplates, but that's a non-issue and they will be covered for a year after purchase.

Best place to sell a thermal? I have an RL25 that I want to upgrade to an RH25

>>62821701
arfcom EE

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What’s the deal with the RENV-C? I’d buy it to test if their splitter cable was in stock

>>62821861
Its just iray shit, wait for ocular coti to drop.

>>62795999
I am going to shim it. I calculated the thickness of the shim required, its very slim. Should be easy. Just going to tin snip an empty beer can for a strip or two for height, and one for Kentucky windage.

>>62821378
>L3 doesn't pot their units and these are entirely serviceable. We would have to redraw the bead around the front/backplates
you literally said you potted your units

>>62806372
>We use the same aerospace grade epoxy L3 uses and seal everything

there is fuck all you can do to repair them. you dont use epoxy to seal two plastic halves, you use a o-ring/gasket. given you laughably small scale, the best you can do as far as warranty goes is offer someone to sell them another at your material cost should you happen to make another run of them after one breaks. with that said you know that most are going to be safe queens and will have only an hour or two of run time before your "warranty" runs out.

so which would you trust more /nvg/, the penumbra or this ngal shill?

>>62794792
3000 if you pound the fucking pavement and live those numbers but 4000 if you want you want it now

>>62824849
Well the Penumbra actually has a video review on it by a guy who does extensive testing on LAMs/MFALs >>62817287
We don't have anything about the knockoff ngal other than his own posts.

>>62803525
always give credit where it is do

>>62824869
I'd agree with you but it seems like the penumbra guy just did what basque did except with the laserspeed M3 and is trying to pass it off as a non-laserspeed device while charging exactly double basques price while his laser isn't even full power. if he was selling for a grand I'd say he's alright but that nigger is smoking crack if he thinks he can resell laserspeeds for $2000.

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Will jews ever try to ban thermals/nods?
I know iray got sanctioned for helping russia

>>62824923
The iray shit was L3 trying to kill competition as far as calls to ban it go, after the vegas shooting there was one oped bitching about how terrible it was civilians could buy military night vision. I suspect the hobby is safe for now barring feds handing a kid a PVS-14 along with the usual daniel defense rifle.

>>62824849
Neither. I trust our resident Lasersneed liason/shill. Once we get more data points on those other units then maybe we can reassess.

>>62824935
They decreased the false flag shooter budget, Uvalde was a while ago and recently they've been arming them with cheap rifles. If they give a shooter nods it'll be digital or a shitty blemmed surp unit.

>>62824923
They certainly could, NVG and thermal owners and users are a minority of a minority of gun owners so unlike AR pistols they aren't widespread enough for John Q Public to care. Thing is, because there's such a small civilian user base it doesn't really threaten their rule so they have little reason to orchestrate an event to get them b&. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the "gray market" LAMs and NVGs are intentionally allowed to be sold to civilians amd written off as lost to free up inventory space and warrant keeping their budget for next year

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>>62824887
It's full power and has more juice than the M6TR.
I agree with the rest though. It's definitely an LS product and the guy is a faggot trying to charge $2k for it.
The unit has promise but needs a lot of work.
Basque said removing the RMR plate saved a lot of weight so that would be number one.
They also need to slim down the profile and give it a direct to pic rail mount.
The battery compartment issue needs to be fixed but they know about it.
Knowing laserspeed there are probably several other things about it that are issues which we just don't know yet.
Funny how 4mr didn't put it through nearly the same level of testing as the M6.
That probably has to do with the amount of money the penumbra guy paid for this "review" aka paid promotion.

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>>62823138
>ocular coti
Give me a qrd

I know the Renv-c is iray. Their Jerry is actually nicer then a standard coti and the RENV has a better FOV then the TAD while being both cheaper with better features. TAD just has slightly better res

>>62826350
>It's full power and has more juice than the M6TR.
I thought we came to the conclusion that too much is no good?

>>62826411
That's classified, ash is gaslighting you

>>62826636
The whole selling point of the penumbra is that it has independent settings for both IR laser and IR illuminatior.
It's basically a much simpler way to achieve what the Raid Xe does
It also has a diffuser cap for flood function

I love night vision. I love suppressors. Simple as.

>>62827523
>independent settings for IR laser and IR illuminator
So the LS M3?

>>62827548
Which laser speed option should I look at for my first lam?

>>62827641
m6tr. 'Cheaper', advised by /nvg/basque design wise, potentially working crane port.

>>62827666
I don’t use any tape switches for lights on any of my guns, just the click cap. Does the crane port/switch offer anything that just pushing the button on the lam won’t?

>>62827548
No, not unless there's a version which does that that I'm unaware of.
If you're referring to the way the M3 and FL5 have two independent dials, one a "low, off, high" dial and one a function dial then those are different things.
The penumbra allows you do adjust the laser independently as well as the illuminatior independently through 3 settings; low, medium, high. None of the other LS products do this as far as I'm aware of.
It also comes with a diffuser cap to use a flood function which also none of the other units come with.
The penumbra has some good features but it also has some bad ones and it definitely needs to go through some growing pains before I consider one.
Also I'm not paying $2k for a laserspeed.
The good news is it seems like more MFALs are coming out with features people actually want so the future looks promising as the market becomes saturated and manufacturers have to compete

>>62827688
no, using a tape switch is literally meant to replicate pushing the button but some people, probably for ergonomic reasons, prefer to use a tape switch.
I don't use one on my LAM and I only use one on my light because I can't reach it with both hands due to my brick of a LAM getting in the way.

>>62827698
Oh I misunderstood what was being said, literally the power. I was thinking the zero.

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>>62799186
Spec sheet

>>62827762
Not bad specs at all. How much did it cost you?

>>62820338
How much did you pay for your v1 RH25?

>>62827797
$4700 after tax and shipping

>>62827762
you might have been able to get one with similar specs for like $4300 from some of the actual night vision venders but it could be worse

>>62828265
I was looking at night hawk originally but didnt feel like getting my credit info stolen

>>62828310
*TNVC

>>62824833
Negative. I only ever said that the unit was sealed and all visible seams or cracks are filled. The PCB is not glued to the housing and can be serviced/replaced easily, though the boards are very robust and have a conformal coating that protects them from shock and corrosion. These have been tested on and rated for SCAR 17 recoil. They are absolutely meant to be used and hold up

>>62829105
Post proof you machined these bodies and it’s not just a somogear

>>62827878
3.9 or 4.1 I forgot

>>62829178
The real tell will be when Leo sails right past his "ship date" and Florida man has to backpedal about them being ready

>>62829178
Closer to EG bodies than chomogear.

>>62830388
Obesity check
Post hoof

When do the nodz dealz start?

>>62831126
black friday week is when they start.

>>62831126
optics planet is blowing shit out right now till the 11th I think, new steiner c35 gen 2 thermal is 41% off, $2000

>>62831886
Oh damn that’s a good price for a 640 clip on thermal. I’m not a fan of scope bell mounted clip ons but that’s a good price.

>>62831956
for that price that thing is a no brainer buy, it has insanely good performance as a clip on even past like 10x magnification which is a compromise i'd be willing to make for a bell only mount. supposedly there's an aftermarket rail mount coming soon TM according to DLO

>>62831973
What does bell only mount mean? Compatible with an atacr?

>>62832027
instead of mounting to the rail in front of your scope it mounts directly to the objective lens of your scope with a clamp. you'll just have to figure out which clamp works with an atacr and order one, it won't be plug and play. the c35 gen 2 is a REALLY good unit that's really held back by the lack of a rail mount, it's one of the lightest and best battery life units you can buy.

>>62832188
I can’t find the clamps anywhere, does it come with them? No way this work work with an elcan, right?

>>62832188
I was planning on maybe holding out for a 3k rh25 but I also have binos. Would you recommend it? i have a PAXc 1-8. will it work with that? it would be for clip on and scanning. Also is it quick/easy to put on/take off?

>>62832247
possibly with the ARD screwed on? i don't think it'd trust cantilevering the weight on those plastic threads though.

>>62832247
no, it won't work with an elcan. you need something like a burris smartclip.

>>62832306
yeah it would work with a plxc with the right clamp. it won't be as accurate at returning to zero after removal like a rail mounted clipon though, just the nature of objective clamps. to take it off you just pop a qd lever on the clamp and slide it off.

>>62832306
something else to note is that you CAN use the c35 gen2 as a handheld but there are quite literally zero mounting holes on it, the only way to mount it to anything is with the threaded eyepiece on it. there is zero way to use it as a head mounted thermal. it's pretty much strictly a clip on.

>>62832483
>>62832456
I might hold out for a gen1 rh25 or pf falcon for 3k on black friday

Did some research and this is a good thread for those interested in the c35
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/aud-feeds/

>>62832509
if you want something that's more general use the RH25 or similar is more than likely what you want, the c35 is undeniably niche but it's very good at that niche and at nearly 50% off it's a goddamn steal

>>62832513
Lmao I’m retarded
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/steiner-c35-gen-2-initial-range-trips-and-first-hunt-updated-9-30-with-third-hunt.7214576/

>>62832522
I can’t find it but apparently there is a Burris mount that works at making this more of a conventional clipon

>>62832525
https://www.opticsplanet.com/burris-626603-btc-adapter-56-64mm-objective-for-thermal-clip-on-black-626607.html
it's this one, that would work fine on with a 1.5 height 30mm LPVO

>>62832543
So maybe it would work with an elcan/atacr (34mm) on a 1.54 mount?

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>>62832567
the problem is you have to put the c35 in the mount backwards so the cantilever is facing towards the scope instead of under the thermal, with an LPVO there's room under the optic for that cantilever. with an elcan there isn't so the thermal will be pushed out too far to work with it. this is with a 50mm scope from that snipershide thread.

>>62832576
Ok then fuck the elcan, but this has potential with the atacr

>>62832583
it should work with a 34mm? worse comes to worse you could just shave some material from the mount. like I said there's supposedly a more purpose built mount coming from the aftermarket but for now it's all nigger rigging.

>>62835260
man if I hadn't just bought and cerakoted a chassis I'd have bought one yesterday, $2000 is so damn cheap

>>62835355
burris smartclips work with the c35, thats probably your best bet for a mount

>>62835369
https://www.opticsplanet.com/burris-626603-btc-adapter-56-64mm-objective-for-thermal-clip-on-black-626607.html
I was thinking of using this, any reason you would go smart clip over this?

>>62835404
only if you've got an optic with a bell, if your optic has the clearance under it to use the qd mount i would

>>62835414
Im the atacr anon, i think it will clear with my nf 1.54 mount but im not positive, it will be close

>>62835564
at least you can always return the rail mount and just buy a smartclip instead, OP returns are easy

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if you don't shoot until you glow, are you even having fun?

>>62829105
>conformal coating that protects them from shock and corrosion
conformal coatings do fuck all for shock, and why do they need protection from corrosion if as you say "the unit was sealed". The conformal coating will just make it more of a bag of dicks to do any troubleshooting or board level repairs. Its as if you know fuck all about designing electronics.

>rated for SCAR 17 recoil
what kind of nigger tier spec is this? SCAR 17 recoil isnt any kind of actual metric. all this means is you put a couple magazines through a rifle with one mounted on it, and it hasnt broken yet.

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>>62835990
>what kind of spec is this
I don’t think any of these companies really understand the mechanisms at play regarding why SCARs eat optics. Easier to just say, we tested it on a SCAR And it survived

>>62835967
What can

>claims to have machined the ngal body
This is the biggest red flag

>>62836081
AU DUAL556 SHORT-BL GEN 2

Ordered a m6bt, what am I in for?

>>62836380
Annoying switch articulation
Should be fairly comfy otherwise

>>62832576
>>62832567
>>62832519
>>62832513
>>62832483
Should I sell my AGM TC35-384 clip on and pick one of the Steiner C35s up? Is it that much better? I can sell the AGM for prolly $1500 at least

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>>62835990
>board level repairs
We'd just replace the PCB, the conformal coating certainly isn't hurting anything and provides added protection on the offchance moisture is able to make its way in.

>>62836087
The body has been compared to IS/EG/somo and shown to be unique bc it's our own

>>62836594
Exactly how are you making this unique body? Any pics of the process?

>>62836563
it's a 640 core so yeah it's better but it's not as easy to use as a regular rail mount clip on

>>62827762
You could have done a little better at a nvd dealer with hand pick, but overall not bad. Enjoy the night.

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>>62836907
Hmn. I think I could get $1600 for the AGM (which I bought used for $1500), which means it’d be an extra $400+tax+a mount to upgrade to the 640 C35

>>62837654
if you can handle the downsides that's probably the cheapest you'll ever find a 640 core for the foreseeable future

>>62826411
https://www.reddit.com/r/NightVision/comments/1gmj7v9/ocular_projecting_coti_it_will_be_at_ecns_if_youd/
If you are going to ecns my buddy will have it there.

>>62837979
The downside mostly being that I have to get an aftermarket mount, I assume

>>62838169
The aftermarket mount hasn't been made yet from this post: >>62831973
>supposedly there's an aftermarket rail mount coming soon TM according to DLO
But there is the Burris mount >>62835404, technically its third-party but not really since both Burris and Steiner are owned by the same company, but that mount will force you to use the mount backwards to be compatible with the gen 2 C35.

I like the look of Sig's new thermal but then I found out it's a trash AGM lmao plus the price is silly

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>>62838311
Its worth keeping in mind that AGM is just the primary US importer/localizer for Hikmicro weaponsights and their releases are way behind the global product stack.

As an example, this gem from them with a 1280x1024 <18mK NETD sensor and integrated LRF with ballistic solver/reticle drop display just released to everyone but the US right for ~$5400 and we probably won't see it until next year for a likely higher price (perhaps much higher if new tarrifs hit beforehand).

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>>62838188
Bought it. Thanks for the assist. Hopefully that mount materializes; otherwise, I’ll have to get some time on my brother’s lathe.

What is the drop off in range for thermals like the Rattler or RH25?

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>>62806372
>>62806303
>>62836594
Can you guarantee that the IR illuminator POA is stable and does not shift during firing nor during adjustment of the IR illuminator focus size?
Can you guarantee that the IR illuminator adjustable focus wheel is smooth with no hysteresis on the adjustment, or shift to the POA of the illuminator as the focus adjustment is dialed?

>>62836594
>>62836904
For the sake of honesty and transparency, can you show us a side by side comparison proving that the housing/body is unique and different that the IS/EG NGALs?

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>>62838159
Interesting I’ll look for him.

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>>62840506
Far, need to test more, maybe climb a mountain and look down. AGM claims 2500y detection. I can easily PID between deer and coyote at 700y. I can watch airplanes at tens of thousands of feet. I spotted a fly at 50y on a tree across the field.
Pic related is three heat packs at 100y. When I zoom in 10x the little heat packs take up a dozen or so pixels and my reticle center dot is about the same size as a pixel so to get more accuracy/deflection/rtz testing I am working up smaller targets, maybe half inch dot.
Idk if that answers your question.

>>62840839
That does, thank you.

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Look at the Irish Republicans and the struggle for freedom against zionist occupation in the old country. You can snipe a zionist soldier, bomb their barracks, shoot down their helicopters with machine guns, and get away with it completely to fight another day. Marksmanship and thermals? Now that just makes it easier. The IRA were very smart about forensics, hence the balaclavas.

>>62840952
The IRA was attacking them primarily through car bombs though. That's what ultimately got them to give up the fight with the IRA.
>The bombs will continue until morale improves

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>>62840560
>IR illuminator POA is stable
>IR illuminator adjustable focus wheel is smooth
Guaranteed, will film it.

>can you show us a side by side
I do not have units from IS/EG but encourage everybody to compare what I post

>>62836904
The place they're machined is not local to me but I'll try and get more pics

Would gen 1 binoculars/goggles be good enough if I just need something to help me move through difficult terrain without alerting everyone and their mother? If so, how cheap I can go?

>>62841339
>Gen 1
No.

>>62841339
Good gen ones are gonna be heavy and thus difficult to head mount. Single tubes are shit, don't waste your money, but 2-3 cascading tubes are 'good enough' unless it's both moonless and cloudy. If you don't mind holding a five to seven pound scope up to your eye to use as a monocular, then I can confirm that they're okay. Not great, but miles better than having no night vision at all. You should probably save up for an AN/PVS-14 like I am, unless you've got 500 dollars to just throw away on what is ultimately a novelty.
>t. Gen 1 Ziess Orion 80/I owner

>>62841339
Just by how the question was asked I'm going to assume a headlamp with a red 1 lumen puddle/moonlight mode is actually your best purchase. Lower observability from randos, enough for you to navigate, dirt cheap.

If you are actually concerned about evading "threats" you need a technology that will allow you to not emit at all which means jumping straight to Gen 3 or a thermal device with high enough resolution and low enough NETD to navigate with.

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The redditors think they have found a "cheap" alibaba good (I guess based on the price) combo device for 300 dollars. I'm going to post some of the best screenshots I can get out from the guy's video. To me this shit looks like an expensive version of the nerf night vision. The night vision looks just barely better for casual viewing purposes and the thermal is practically indiscernible blobs. Does this look like a decent device for 300 to any of /nvg/?

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>>62841602

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>>62841605
Here is the thermal mode. This is another car driving by in the video.

>>62841602
no. unless you're willing to spend AT LEAST $2000 you might as well just fuck off from the night vision and thermal hobby and go spend your money on something that you'll actually get your $300 worth with. This shit is not cheap and will never be cheap, if anything it's going to get more expensive with the tariffs coming up. It's a nut up or shut up situation.

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>>62841608
In motion the cars blur pretty badly. This is the last screenshot I'll post, the guy cycles through a couple other color filters that are blobs looking at his trees(?) that can barely discern the difference between anything.

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>>62841611
No, I don't intend to buy this by any means. I gave the buy the benefit out of the doubt but I immediately saw how unusable it is. Look at how much better this RH25 is? Which granted is 10x the price. My posting this here is just wanting to have another opinion to see if I'm the one in the wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxwfpQhXgJQ

>>62800031
>you should spend more at designated social media shills for no tangible benefit, goyim
lol

>>62841638
the takeaway is you would be spending LESS because a lot of those vendors don't charge sales tax because they don't move enough product to certain states, plus you'd be getting to handpick the exact specs you want. you can get a hand select L3 wp pvs 14 for $4300 easily from non big box vendors

>>62841583
It's for something like night walks or taking a look at the yard because I heard something odd, not sneaking around with military hunting me down. I don't expect potential troublemakers to carry any sort of night vision.

>>62819259
Should I get myself a PVS-14

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>>62841602
Went to leddit and watched the video. The screenshots you grabbed are actually thermal mode, different colors. He said V1 is digital nv and V2 is thermal. V1 and B&W V2 are easy to confuse in his low res video because V1 is just digital B&W "night vision" with an IR flashlight, like all cheap Chinese nods.

It's hard to screenshot a sharp frame since the video is moving and shaking. Idk why he filmed through the eyepiece unless it doesn't record. An obvious drawback is that it's a typical cheap Chinese LCD in a tunnel design instead of a real EVF. For that reason alone I would never pick it over the other low cost thermal monoculars on the market.

Alibaba claims a 256px thermal sensor, but they claim a lot of obvious bullshit on that page too. It does look like the thermal mode is legit, but who knows the real resolution and processing. I'm glad he's happy with it, but I would skip it.

>>62841611
>no. unless you're willing to spend AT LEAST $2000 you might as well just fuck off from the night vision and thermal hobby
I'm happy enough with my AGM Taipan TM10-256 which was around ~$500. And I love my Auroras, though they are not helmet mount tactical devices, they are night action cams and scouting tools. So you can have some fun for less than $2k, but for serious use $2k is the starting point (used gen 3 or gen 2+). I agree that this Alibaba thing isn't worth it at all.

>>62842288
Don't worry, when I get thermal it's not going to be anything that cheap chinkshit. Trying to get a good comparison between v1 and v2 of the RH25 to see if there are enough upgrades to justify the V2.

>>62842315
If you're looking at the RH25 you are way above my Taipan, which is actually worth considering on a budget, and light years ahead of that Alibaba thing.

>>62836594
>We'd just replace the PCB
you have a production run size of 30, you can't afford to, and you wont have any parts to do so. furthermore it proves there wont be another production run, because you are incapable of iterating should a issue come up

>provides added protection on the offchance moisture is able to make its way in.
this sounds like a cope, that you dont have confidence in your retarded idea of epoxy sealing the case instead of a gasket instead of using rubber gaskets like literally every other company.

>>62836043
>mechanisms at play regarding why SCARs eat optics
its because people are retards any buy airshit knock offs and are then surprised when they break on a battle rifle

do real NGALs & PEQs even stand up to "scar recoil"? lmao

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>>62842604
navsea marked peqs do.

>>62842623
>this thing is $10000
lmfao

>>62842636
looking into it the mawl also, but most people just side mount lasers on scars to lessen the abuse.

>>62842623
Wish i didn't know this existed.
Now on to dump my fp peq on tacswap and start the hunt all over again.

>>62842810
Good luck getting one when they pop they are like 5k+.

>>62842828
You underestimate my autism budget
>t. 31a larper

>>62842656
>most people just side mount lasers on scars to lessen the abuse
show me the data. i think its far more likely to be a simple ergonomic consideration with scar handguard height or to accommodate a clip on.

>>62842572
Incredibly naive to think we haven't considered the potential for warranty work/need for spare parts (which we already have from playing around with these for some time). We could exceed 30 units, but preferred to give a realistic number and timeframe for shipping, unlike IS. The PCBs come coated whether we like it or not. That's not an excuse to assemble the unit improperly or fail to seal the outside, I'm just trying to be upfront about the construction and quality of the parts, degree of potting, etc. If you've undertaken a project like this before, feel free to let me know and maybe I can treat your opinions differently, but until then I'll have to focus on legitimate questions and comments

I want to believe niggerman

>>62844923
I'll be real, we already had one preorder placed (through here I believe) weeks ago, but the gentleman hit me up Friday asking for a refund. He claimed medical bills, though I imagine all the naysaying just got to him. Either way we immediately issued a full refund, no questions asked. This whole project is intended to give something neat back to the community, not take advantage of anyone. Waiting for the refund ordeal to be spun in some toxic manner...

>>62840560
Just want to follow up and say test footage will be taken this saturday at the latest (posted sunday). I might get out to the range beforehand, but the regular night shoots I host are every two weeks and the last one was on the 2nd. I will film every manipulation/condition (firing/not firing) you want, just please list them (how you did this post was perfect, just lmk if there's other things you want tested)

>>62845032
Where else are you posting these units besides here?

>>62845032
I will probably end up buying one. $1,000 is worth the gamble

>>62845095
First pick goes to friends, people we know personally, regulars at the night shoots, and anybody on /nvg/. If we have any leftover, they might get sold on fb/tacswap. Specifically not posting on reddit bc I wouldn't know how and also fuck reddit

>>62845230
You don't even need to drop all 1,000 unless you want the ND filters. $850 will cover a unit with basic caps

>>62845794
Are the nd filters the same thing as diffuser caps?

>>62844875
>I'm just trying to be upfront about the construction
You are specifically not doing this. You have refused to show guts, can show nothing of the manufacturing process, etc.

Post a bill of materials. Who are your suppliers.

>>62847222
you're never gonna get an answer. the thinks someone is gonna steal his "IP".

>>62847222
homie, im all for grilling the dude a bit, but you are being a lil unreasonable

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Gentlemen, I seek your knowledge on the Specprecision knockoff DBAL-A4. $325.00 and .308 recoil rated. Is this the super somogear us poor bois have been waiting for?

>>62847974
I have one. the IR laser has some pretty bad artifacts, there's like 4 more laser dots all around the center of it. vis laser is cat toy tier, unusable in any sort of daylight. flashlight is ok. illuminators are good, really bright, the spot mode almost washes out the IR laser. it has low and high modes but they're both the same power level. haven't done any recoil testing.

>>62848033
Many thanks. Did you get the red or green laser version?

>>62848049
red. you might get lucky and get one with a clean laser but mine is definitely not right. luckily the artifacts kinda get washed out by the illuminator. it's not unusable or anything but it is ugly.

>>62848059
Thanks again. I've been looking at the green laser version since, for some reason, Chinese green lasers tend to have higher output than the red.

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>>62848072
here's the a picture of the IR, it's kinda shitty but if you zoom in you can see the extra spots in the laser

>>62848128
I probably should have taken off my amber filters but oh well

>>62848128
>>62848145
I see the extra spots. Definitely not ideal, but it's $325.00 so I suppose you get what you pay for. I'll eventually get a green laser version and report back on the laser output / quality.
Are you running yours with CR123s or 16340s? The 16340s are higher voltage and put out a little more power in my Somogear PEQ, so I imagine they'll do the same for the A4.

>>62848193
two cr123s. no idea if 16340's would even work.

>>62848211
I'll test with 3.7v 16340s then, when I get mine, and see what happens. They're dimensionally almost the same as CR123s and are just higher voltage rechargeable, so I don't see the harm as long as it can take the extra voltage.

>>62848354
it honestly doesn't need anymore juice, if anything it needs a working low power mode. it autogates my tubes easily.

>>62848360
Odd that low power doesn't make any difference. I wonder, are the units just not wired right on the inside or is it a component problem?

>>62848376
they're probably just for show, the vis hi/vis low have no difference same as the IR

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>>62838311
Lol these kikes really want 6K for a AGM

Are holosun lams any good or should I just buy laserspeeds?

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Onepiece

>>62790537
New thread >>62851586

>>62851406
If you are okay with a civilian powered LAM, then yeah it can be fine especially if you look in the used market to save some money.
If you need a FP LAM then you can pick one up if you have credentials or have some other gray market to buy that variant.
Everyone else is waiting to see if the Iris will perform well after the last Shot Show showing.