What shotgun would a hobo have, anyway? Probably a Maverick 88 he fished out of a dumpster, would be my guess.Previous: >>62691564
>>62791006Getting ready to tea stain some UCP. Do I add vinegar or anything to the mix? Just boil for several hours?
>>62792393I've never dyed anything with anything other than Rit dye. There's a guy on YT who goes by Boondockey who has some videos on dyeing UCP/ACU with walnut hulls. I don't recall him ever using vinegar. He just boiled the stuff he was dyeing with the hulls. He boiled the items for around an hour, then remove his big metal tub from the fire and let the items steep in the cooling water overnight. Remove, rinse, let dry.
>>62791044Danke for posting. Plates stay. >hurr but u wont use emYou'll never use your gun except for larping and training either.
>>62792393It certainly won't hurt to make your solution mildly acidic. The tea you're using is going to be more important, you're wanting the real brutally tannic Assam type tea. And if you have bags, rip them open.>>62793071People use rifles and shotguns daily. Pistols, well at least they're fun. Plates are not fun and putting them on there with no kevlar is, as noted, purely gear queering and gear queering on a poverty budget won't even make you feel like a pretty princess.
>>62792868His walnut dyeing is the inspiration. I've got a pile of UCP because poorfag but it's really the wrong color for my environment. The walnut tint is far too dark, so tea seems the right brown.>>62793364It's a big bag of used looseleaf Oolong but I'll see if I have any garbage tea in the cupboard to add to it. My biggest issue is that if it works, I'm going to need to find a huge kettle to do my two MOLLE II rucks. >>62793071>you'll never use your gun except for larping and training eitherAnd hunting but otherwise one of my goals is to get out of this life without ever killing another human.
>>62791044I can't read a single thing on this. Consequence of phone posting?
>>62793417Dyeing a ruck is insanity. Slap some paint on there.
>>62793477I'll have to wait until I get my shrimp/crab kettle for it. And about a pound of tea. How's this - I'll lasercut a camo stencil and Krylon one then dye the other?
>>62793485>KrylonStill OTT. Get a couple of pots of water based paint, you probably have beige in your garage already so brown and green. Throw some chalk powder in the beige and mix up various shades. Sponge them on randomly, leave it dry for a bit then hit it with a hose. Repeat until good, leave it dry properly and then give it one last blast to get anything loose off.You want cheap builder's tea, something like PG or Ty-phoo.
>>62793477>>62793485Paint wears much faster than dye, but it is an option. What I do is dye ACU a drab green, something that is between OD green and ranger green. This works as a pretty good base color for my area. Then I touch it up with Rust-oleum to help break things up. I use a mix of the deep forest green and dark earth brown. The deep forest green is very close to true ranger green, and the earth brown really helps to break things up. Last autumn/winter I actually gave my whole belt rig a misting of the brown to really drab up the greens. Worked pretty well.For anyone spray painting gear, don't go too thick with it. Light coats. If you use too much, the nylon can get a really stiff feeling.
>>62793523Seasons change faster than paint wears off.
>>62793581Maybe. Depends on the conditions you use the gear in. All I'm saying is it's good to have a good dye job as a base so you don't really have to use as much paint to achieve the camo you want.
>>62793422Works on my small machine. Try opening in new tab and if it's still there remove the m from the image url in the new tab.
ok ladsremember picrel im 1.95mthis soviet rigs belt with the pouches builds like at elbow height. so i thought im just too tall for this cccp malnourished subhuman rig and its suspenders.but no! its intended to be carried that high up the belly... see following posts/pics. but why? its not easier to access the pouches and weird when moving.
>>62796587early cold war soviet uniform schematicsrig belt at elbow height
>>62796587>>62796595same goes for this larper, belt at elbow height. why, /k/?asking because its shit like that.
>>62796587Cheeki breeki. Definitely an interesting rig in regard to ride height. Sort of reminds me of when I see guys wearing modern chest rigs too low, around the belly instead of up on the chest. I wonder what the intent was?
>>62796587If you're going to wear suspenders, take advantage of them and use pouches to hold some of your gear. But then again, maybe how high they are means you should have suspenders on your belt as well.
>>62791044>plates>no IIIA soft armor>In /pfg/Why must /gq/ brain rot infect every thread on /k/? Soft armor inserts for a plate carrier are so cheap that even the poorest of poorfags can afford them, why are they constantly overlooked?
>>62797038It's a work in progress. Where are you finding cheap certified 3a inserts? Every one I see is the same price or more of the cheapo lvl4.
>>62797437>Where are you finding cheap certified 3a inserts?This conversation would be easier if you were less disingenuous. The RMA 1155 you listed lost their certification and the Hesco 4403 have not been certified. You also fucking mentioned homemade plates, which are obviously not certified. So why are you holding soft armor to standards that you aren’t holding plates to? I bought 3 soft armor inserts off eBay for 50 each, shot the mother fucking shit out of one to make sure it worked, and kept the other two. This is /pfg/, cheap soft armor is perfectly fine, especially when they provide proof that, while they aren’t certified, have at least been tested by a NIJ compliant lab.
>>62791006when i readed "What shotgun would a hobo have"my mind just Maverick 88. and then i readed the rest and now im relising that i have no reson to [ost this , but fuck it
>>62798536RMA was certified, they are fighting it. Hesco is pending certification on the new system. Homemade is admittedly a compromise. What inserts did you buy?
>>62798597NTA, I bought two of these and stuck them in a cheapo slickster because, when your carrier isn’t stuffed with 18 pounds of plates, you can get away with less than stellar stitching. They were I think 110 for the pair, claimed to be made in the US with Chinese materials. My dad shot one with 12 gauge buckshot and 124gr 9mm to test them, the inserts survived the test and he replaced mine and bought some for himself. I would never tell anyone to rely on eBay inserts, but this is /pfg/ of course, and my carrier/inserts replaced my chicom rig, so I guess even cheap armor is better than no armor.
>>62798597These look like the same kind of UHDPE panels you can find on eBay, same printing on back, anyone try them out? Looking for something to stuff in a backpack.
>>62798816These look like kevlar, not sure though. Can someone weigh in on the advantage of UHDPE vs kevlar?
>>62798832Aramid / Kevlar tends to be heavier but less expensive than UHMWPE. UHMWPE is less susceptible to damage from exposure to moisture and UV. However, from what I gather, HDPE doesn't sound like the exact same material as UHMWPE, and seems to be a less robust material that's cheaper to manufacture.
>>62798889Thanks, you're right, I meant UHMWPE. I've looked at kevlar, seems like UHMWPE is the cheaper option, more prevalent at this point
>>62798907Yeah, you don't see many armor manufacturers using aramid at this point. Some Chinese armor manufacturers make their own (probably all in the same factory), and it's easily identifiable because it's more orange than yellow compared to Dupont Kevlar (made in US) or Teijin Twaron (made in the Netherlands).
>>62798832UHMWPE is flexible, but a lot more stiff than kevlar. I have Kevlar inserts that you can completely fold in half, but you can’t do that with poly. This makes poly a lot less concealable in like a slickster under a hoodie or whatever, but it makes it a lot better for a carrier if you have pouches and weight and shit on it since it’s more rigid.
>>62798699>>62798816>>62798832>>62798889>>62798907>>62798946>>62799056I'll add them to the list with a caveat.
>>62791006>What shotgun would a hobo have, anyway?My single shot 20 gauge rossi youth that's hose clamped together comes to mind. Pic related. My first gun and a gift from my grandfather, may he rest in peace with the almighty. I should really get the sling swivel replaced (which holds the foregrip in place) and restore this thing. Took it out skeet shooting with the lads last weekend. Not to toot my own horn but I was out shooting much better shotguns even though I had to cram my face down to get a good sight picture because of the youth sized buttstock and length of pull.
i have settled on the glock 43x. might splurge a little on the MOS version so i can think about an optic next year
>>62791006It's an 870 Police Magnum.
>>62799510Have you handled? You're giving up a LOT of flexibility for a marginal loss of thickness over a G19/26.
>>62799510I'm going to agree with this guy >>62800435. The 43X isn't a bad gun, but the limited capacity hurts it compared to more modern subcompact 9s. Yeah, Shield Arms has made multiple iterations of their 15 round magazine, but I still see enough malfunctions that I don't trust them. Strangely enough, I've heard people are having good luck with PSA's 15 round magazines, but those are still pretty new, so more data is needed to trust them.I bought a Sig P365XL with the intent of carrying it during the summer, but I never ended up doing that. I carry a 19 year-round. The Sig was simply an inferior gun, and concealing a 19 really isn't that difficult.
>>62791044I keep begging you to take the RIA off and put the Taurus 856 on.
>>62800469Well I didn't make the infographic. I just stole it from the last thread. Tbqh, it's needs some work.
Did you spook the spook out of the spooks, /k/?t. Hawaiian shirt operator
>>62800891What mag pouches are those anon? Nice kit.
>>62800971dutch dpm alice. thx
>>62800891>>62801190Nice setup, bro. Nothing says spooktacular operator like the Hawaiian shirt.
>>62800971>>62801190The water bottle is 58 pattern with Osprey-era pouch.
>>62800891I like that rig Also, wtf is this 15 minute captcha?Pic related, my rig. It's super ghetto but it works>FLC (free)>USMC canteen/pouch (free)>2x AliExpress 6 mag pouches (like 5-10 bucks each)>Ifak pouch AliExpress (like $5)>AliExpress dump pouch (like $5-10)>Lotsa mags (I spent like $85)>NOS USGI trauma kit in the ifak (like $15)>Chinesium tactical belt (like $10)I'm going to add my k98k bayonet soon, as well as a cheap drone.>Nb4 what's going on with that opticChinesium 1x prism (yes, it holds zero, faggots) with a 4x sign magnifier in front of it. >Is it perfect? No. The eye box is pretty bad on the monstrum 1x, and a bit worse when you flip the optic up. >Does it workYeah, its good 'nuff. Also the magnifier is on loan, so free to me, which means I got the optics setup for $50 (I didn't want to go reddot b/c astigmatism)
>>62800469The RIA stays. The m200 is a perfectly fine revolver.
>>62803728It’s also the only double action revolver in .38 you can get for just under $200
>>62804282OTOH if you're on a $200 budget you probably shouldn't be looking at a double action revolver at all. Ammo cost being double that of 9mm won't help you much either.
>>62798597The RMA 1155 was certified until the plate failed a follow-up test. The company has a lot of baggage (lack of disclosure on cheat rings, random spec changes, #1192 sent to Buffman was 10oz overweight and likely reinforced for the test) and for quite a few people that was the last straw. If RMA wanted to do things right, they'd do what Hesco did and lightly revise the 1155 into a better 1156, which would then be sent for certification. Since that isn't being done, there's no reason why the 1155 can't be booted from the guide and replaced with the Highcom 4SAS7. It's in the same price bracket and while certified to the older NIJ 0101.04 is still a perfectly valid option. Highcom has never had a recall of any sort, making them more reputable than even Hesco, who made good on replacing and recalling affected plates (unlike RMA, who never widely recalled the 1155) but still has the issue of thinning plates out too much. You only need to look to the Hesco 4800's YouTube testing to see they aren't running a good margin over the Level IV test requirements like they should. The only problem with Highcom is getting a good vendor since they are currently prioritizing larger contracts. Apex is extremely slow right now, among other things, and I'm not sure the other outfits are much better.
>>62804460>unlike RMA, who never widely recalled the 1155The fact that RMA threw a fit and publicly accused the NIJ testing lab of a conspiracy is insane, but also not surprising when considering the company's shady history. This is the same company that made a video of an IDF solider shilling their plates made for women, lol.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESgqjGIvkBoHesco has its issues, but they at least try to make things right. Hesco plates tend to perform to their stated specs, and *only* their stated specs. I think they're fine as long as you know what you're buying. I see too many guys buying Hesco SRT plates thinking they're good general purpose plates, and that's a bad assumption.
>>62804494That's the caveat. People think the 4800's are gucci do-everything plates, but as the testing here shows the multi-hit capability is poor. The 4800 is shot by two .30-06 M2AP and fails on the second. See 7:00 in for results.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqKyHtiEU_wYes, it's true the M2AP Buffman was shooting was around 50fps too hot compared to nominal 2,880ft/s NIJ spec, but this shows that Hesco does not overbuild their plates with much safety margin over the requirement. Their crack-arresting game is weak. If cleetus were to reload his M2AP into a .300 Weatherby then the 4800 would be in real trouble. Treat the 4800 like the LTC 28595, a low multi-hit lightweight quasi-IV, and you're fine. Treat it like it's a REV.G ESAPI or an XSAPI backed by the appropriate soft armor and you're going to get into trouble. It's not a tank. Most Hesco plates aren't. Like you said, they perform to their stated specs and not much beyond - if at all.
>>62804537>If cleetus were to reload his M2AP into a .300 Weatherby then the 4800 would be in real troubleIf you're standing there taking full-power AP rounds you're in trouble already. If the first one hits a plate, the second one is not going to be aimed at that plate. If plates were routinely overbuilt, they would simply write a new spec. Anyway, that's all irrelevant to the extremely questionable usefulness of plates to someone on a budget.
>>62804537Yup, you know what's up. People just need to pay attention to Hesco's specs so that they know what they're buying.It just gets tiring seeing guys buy stuff like the L210/M210/L211 plates thinking they're "good for the boog" or whatever. They're SRT plates with thin backers. They'll never be as safe as a level 3+ / RF2 plate built to stop multiple hits of M855A1 in addition to .308. Granted, plates like the LTC 19513 are more expensive (and usually take longer to get) than the M210, but it costs more for a reason. RMA has a similar plate (1092 MC) for about $200 less than a set of 19513s, but we just discussed RMA lol. Militech has an RF2 plate that stops A1, and while they're made in China, I would actually trust them over RMA. Their RF2 plate and black label RF3 plates are legitimately well made. But I understand why many people wouldn't want to buy Chinese made plates.I'm hoping to see more RF2 plates built to stop M855A1 being made. I think anyone taking "SHTF" seriously needs a plate that stops it. National Guard carries it...>>62804790>that's all irrelevant to the extremely questionable usefulness of plates to someone on a budget.Agreed. People short on money should prioritize sensible preps. Food, water, medical, etc.
>>62804494>>62804537The real problem that this demonstrates, yet again, is that the NIJ standard having no level above 4 renders gunsoomers unable to reach meaningful conclusions about plate performance vs AP ammo.The highest existing body armor penetration benchmark that 99% of users on /k/ can comprehend is based on a cartridge designed in 1922 (M1922) and last modified in 1939 (when it became M2 AP). /k/ is not worse than the average gunsoomer in this regard, probably a bit better.Every thread that relates to body armor (eg NGSW threads) even tangentially gets shat up by this, as does the industry. Almost no one is aware of, let alone understands, more contextually useful standards like the SAPI family or VPAM, which leads to absolutely inane comments and misconceptions, like people who think that NIJ 4 means M995 stops, or people who think that NIJ 4 being beaten by some 5.56mm rounds means that there isn't armor that stops all 5.56. It's the fucking pits my dudes.
>>62804790>If plates were routinely overbuilt, they would simply write a new spec.Other testing organizations would, but not the NIJ. They're uniquely behind on renovating armor standards for the 21st century, hence why the industry has made IIIA+, III+, III++, IV+, and even the dreaded V unofficial ratings. Look to VPAM APR 2006 and the revised version of GOST 50774-95 to see what more up-to-date standards look like.>If you're standing there taking full-power AP rounds you're in trouble already. If the first one hits a plate, the second one is not going to be aimed at that plate.Kinda not my point. The Hesco 4800 will likely lose on the first hit against .300 Weatherby reloaded M2AP. Protech makes a Level IV plate which can stop M2AP all the way up to like 3,200ft/s, but it's a cop-only plate and likely made for this exact scenario.>Anyway, that's all irrelevant to the extremely questionable usefulness of plates to someone on a budget.This is where I do 100% agree with you. I'll illustrate why people tend to over-emphasize armor in boog hypotheticals. As you and >>62804804 are no doubt aware, there is a metric shitload of sketchy armor on the market. Surely if armor saw more common use, we'd have more concrete evidence that shit plates are shit, but here we are. AR500 is still slinging M193-iffy steel, RMA's 1155 failed a follow up test and it's still being sold with no revisions, Botach's magic cheap 5.5lb Level IV is still on the market for cheap. Remember that DragonSkin was first made in 1993. It took until 2007 for its failures to truly emerge. Zylon soft armor was first developed in the late 90s, took years until a fatality sadly resulted from defective armor. If armor was truly priority #1, we'd be seeing more issues cropping up with bad armor. It takes years to get anything, exposing why it's edge case equipment outside of LE / mil scenarios.
>>62804804It was a mistake for 0101.07 to use M855 as the RF2 threat and not M855A1. I suspect that's on purpose, since, as you mentioned, the NG uses A1 and the Department of Justice (NIJ's parent) wouldn't want right-wing boogaloo types running around with plates proof against the best 5.56 load that isn't proper AP like M995. The NIJ orients the standard towards law enforcement, but there's no doubt they're aware that 0101.06 and the newer 0101.07 are the de facto civilian standards as well. Even the fudds are at least kind of familiar with half the ratings, especially since the first version of the NIJ standard, 0101.00, was first published in 1972.>It just gets tiring seeing guys buy stuff like the L210/M210/L211What's funny in a way is that these plates are the ones the XM7 will absolutely kick the shit out of even with basic XM1186. Makes you wonder. People were under the conviction years ago that L210 + IIIA soft armor would somehow get you to Level III protection, but the crack-arresting performance of the strike face isn't there - not even with the newer L211. It's a Level IV plate with vastly reduced backer. C'mon.
>>62804804>I'm hoping to see more RF2 plates built to stop M855A1 being made. I think anyone taking "SHTF" seriously needs a plate that stops it. National Guard carries it...The inverse is that nearly all NG will be wearing XSAPI, ESAPI or ISAPI in any such scenario, and will probably not be penetrated in most realistic scenarios. Additionally, NG are likely to be equipped with M993, 50 cal, 40mm etc.If people are serious about thinking about what armor means in muh boooooog scenarios then they also really need to think about what they think they might be shooting at, not just what might be shooting at them.
>>62804804>People short on money should prioritize sensible prepsEven if your budget is specifically for armour, rifle plates are a piss poor use of it.
>>62804845Not only that, M2AP is a hardened steel core penetrator. It can be stopped by relatively softer ceramics, like aluminum oxide, and those which suffer from amorphization against WC-core threats, like weaker forms of boron carbide strike faces. It provides very little indication of how a plate will perform against tungsten threats. Even ESAPI couldn't stop M995 until REV. G, and that's mainly because ESAPIs use a boron carbide strike face (unlike XSAPI's silicon carbide) and are thus going to struggle against WC threats. ESAPIs were revised and now can stop M995, but you need XSAPI to stop M993. M993 is a penetrator that really dates back to the 60s under the FFV WC name. It has been surpassed countless times by newer 7.62x51mm penetrators.Yes, VPAM PM-12 will get you protection against the more potent 7.62x51mm Swiss P AP, but it will do nothing for you against AP11, DM151, M1158, M948, newer SLAP loadings like the swedes' PTR10, or of course the NGSW's new 6.8 XM1184. That's not even getting into the .300WM / .338LM penetrator brackets.Are the above even remotely relevant to poorfag purposes? In all but the edgiest of edge cases, hell no, but what it shows is that the state of armor is greatly eclipsed by the state of ammunition - and those are the rounds they're letting the public know about. You cannot rely on plates as some kind of invincibility shield. If you oppose well-funded organizations and they know you're packing armor, they'll pull out far better penetrators than the ones I just listed. No measly Level IV will stand a chance (yes, not even the hypebeast Colossus).Realistically, the NIJ could end this overnight by adding an "RF4" to 0101.07 rated against a fairly decent tungsten .50 BMG penetrator, but they won't since such a plate has no law enforcement purposes outside of extreme edge cases. The "penetrator ceiling" of CONUS is still nice and low, with Level IV still covering 99.9% of bases.
>>62804875Without saying anything too spicy, in that sort of situation, I think anyone smart would not engage directly if they could avoid it. IEDs, drones, etc, would be more useful. You'd have shoot-and-scoot ambush attacks to harass the enemy for sure, but directly engaging would be dumb unless you have overwhelming force.In any case, the biggest concerns before that would be other civilians and local LE, and they're much less equipped.>>62804892Unless you're prioritizing a concealable soft armor vest for low level civil unrest, I don't know why you would spend money on soft armor instead of rifle plates.
>>62804875I haven't heard about ISAPI in years. I thought they ditched them after REV. A ESAPI was developed, since incremental 7.62x39 BZ API protection wasn't going to cut it.Hypothetically defeating XSAPI principally requires a tungsten penetrator with a large core out of a full-power cartridge. 7.62x54R 7N37, 7.92 SMKH. Alternatively, a smaller penetrator like M948 SLAP moving at extreme speed. Nobody is running that stuff (anyone notice how 7N37 was big talk ten years ago but it's vaporware now, even with the Russians?), hence why XSAPI hasn't been replaced by a superior plate.Also, hypothetically, if a large stash of 7N37 were to show up in some kind of "plate killer" scare like the cop killer bullet shenanigans of the 80s, it would take maybe a year tops for the heavyweights like Ceradyne / BAE / LTC / Tencate to develop a "Super XSAPI" able to stop it at reasonable weight and cost. They probably already have plates that can do it no sweat. If it's seriously a threat, then they will find the money to switch out XSAPI for the newer plates. Such plates would trickle down to law enforcement if the magic 7N37 stash made it to CONUS. It would take something like that, or some other extreme event, for the NIJ to add an RF4 classification to 0101.07.
>>62804903>I think anyone smart would not engage directly>I don't know why you would spend money on soft armor instead of rifle platesYou said it yourself. The odds on you ever taking a shot, let alone multiple shots (a) with a high powered rifle and (b) actually in your tiny fucking plate and (c) nowhere else are astronomical unless you're going out actively looking for it and even then (c) is going to fuck you. Tyrone and his problem solver or Achmed getting stabby while there's a solid chance of getting to a hospital are at least in the realms of possibility.
>>62804903There's a missing link here of covert rifle armor like the Velocity Systems PULV plate in pic related, but you're not getting that on the cheap.
>>62804937Exactly, we are solidly in gear queer territory here.
>>62804935Apologies if I come off like a smartass, but most soft armor isn't rated against slash / stab threats. You need armor specially rated for that under NIJ 0115.00, and dual 0101.06 / 0115.00 soft armor is going to be either real heavy, or real expensive. Plates will handle stab threats no sweat, but they're smaller and obviously harder to conceal except for $$$ covert models.
>>62804935Everyone has rifles dude. Tyrone and his boys all have Dracos and ARPs. Latino gangs all have rifles. A few houses down from you, your neighbors have a tranny leftoid son with an AR-15.Hard plates are not meant to be a complete protection solution. They protect your vitals.Just because things are going to shit and the shootings start, doesn't mean the hospital is closed or inaccessible. You might not be looking for trouble, but someone with a rifle who *is* looking for trouble might come to you. If you don't want the protection that rifle plates offer in that kind of situation, that's your call.
>>62804946It's not rated because that costs money and you can take it as read that any amount of kevlar is very fucking hard to slash though. The spike test is the issue, it's done with basically a shiv and it's very hard for anything woven to stop a spike. Luckily, outside of prisons that's not much of a concern.>>62804961Yes, everyone has rifles. You aren't even wearing your plates when one of them decides to snap, because you'd have to be insane to do so.
>>62804961And in more grounded situations like that, there are poorfag general solutions. They're not RMA, they're not AR500, they're not mashing together homemade plates with irregular materials and hoping they work. Hesco, Highcom, Militech. RF2 unless AP is a problem, then Level IV / RF3. While RF3 is sadly and very badly outdated for the battlefield, nobody you just listed is likely packing anything above .30-06 M2AP in terms of penetration. M993 or M2AP out of a large magnum are edge case rounds. They aren't kicking doors down with a .300 Weatherby bolt action.In hypothetical boog situations, you can take advantage of standoff distance in cases where large caliber rifles would likely be used. It takes a pretty good penetrator to beat Level IV up close. It takes a much beefier one to do it at 300 yards.We can get all /gq/ up in here as much as we like, but it's important to stay grounded in more likely scenarios.
>>62804968It doesn't really cost money, 0115.00 doesn't have a CPL like 0101.06 does. It adds thickness and weight to the armor solution, which of course matters on which stab / slash rating of 0115.00 you're using since there's three.
>>62804985Self correction, I forgot 0115.00 does have a CPL.https://cjttec.org/compliance-testing-program/compliant-product-lists/
>>62804985It does cost money, and since a lightweight vest isn't going to get a stab rating and therefore get issued to people who handle prisoners it's fucking pointless, pardon the pun.Go find a mildly-kevlar glove or sleeve at work and see how much effort it takes to cut even that. The ones that turn your hand into a spiral ham if a toolhead catches them.
>>62804999I ain't arguing with those trips, but complete stab protection is still going to be one advantage of hard armor over soft. Even the third level of stab / slash protection is still only going to cover a large fraction of stab threats per the standard.Realistically if AR500 had nuts they'd try and make a cheapo version of the VelSys covert plates. Literally just rate it against 7.62x39 mild steel core, 0.24" thick at most. Perfect cover larp armor and at a poorfag budget to boot. Would it actually work? Certainly not when it comes to spalling, but how often does civie armor really get shot anyway? I'm being facetious but I think it shows the point.
>>62805009Complete stab protection over the surface of the plate, which is very small compared to a vest, visibly avoidable, and more importantly you aren't even wearing them in the queue for the ATM during the next Summer of Floyd.
>>62805021The VelSys plates described above are thin enough that they're very hard to make out, and provide larger protection area than typical plates. Of course, they're the unobtainable goldilocks solution.If said plates are concealable enough, no reason why they can't be worn on a day to day basis. That's their purpose. Of course, the problem is that they're too damn hard to get.You're correct in saying that soft armor is going to be more practical for most "prep for tuesday" situations. Not arguing with you there.The problem is that quality soft armor, at poorfag prices, tends to be either sketchy or come with compromise issues. I've heard some decent things about Stealth Armors Systems' stuff, and they have 0101.06 certifications to boot.
>>62805045At the end of the day plates are always going to be plates. Heavy and rigid. A reasonably modern level 2 covert vest is barely an inconvenience if you're already wearing more than t shirt and shorts. I wouldn't wear one for a day of shovelling shit, but if you're in a suit or doing suit-compatible activities they're pretty comfy and it'll deal with realistic threats. I was wearing mine a lot during the chimpouts. If there were running battles in the streets I wouldn't have put on a carrier, I'd have stayed in the sodding house.
>>62805185>armour>soddingAre you a Brit living in America?
>>62805194Correct.
>>62805194>>62805197Although that said it was a lucky guess, you could narrow it down to "non-American English speaker".
>>62805203Yeah, my mind just immediately went to Brit because it seemed the most likely. The fact that you write English well and have an interest in tactical gear also kind of gave it away. The only guy I know IRL born outside of America who has an interest in guns and tactical shit is also a Brit, funny enough.
>>62805229>interest in tactical gearYou calling me a poofter?
>>62805245Oi yew fokkin wot mate?
>>62805255>free gun stickersFuck's sake.
>>62805259No idea why guys do that shit. I've got no stickers on my vehicle, but I've toyed with the idea of slapping a masonic lodge bumper sticker on my car. Might make the cops think twice about ever pulling me over.
>>62805262Not likely these days. Probably gets you extra-targeted for the "proof of not racist" treatment.
>>62804918>thought they ditched them after REV. A ESAPIDid they dispose of them though?
>>62805582Plates are only demilled when inspection is failed, so they're likely either in a warehouse or have been given as aid. If you get an NSN off one, you can get the demil code online.Realistically no reason they'd be run over ESAPI nowadays, they aren't much lighter and predate M855A1 so they aren't tested against it. REV. G ESAPI or newer, with good soft armor, is basically the perfect CONUS plate. 3x M2AP or 3x M995 covers everything except edge cases.
>>62791006Surp store has a pile of dpm in, another rack behind me
>>62806834
>>62806838Romanian folding shovels in, got (another)one
>>62806846Some ww2 shovels, ~$45 a pop, yikes
>>62791006More than likely some garbage issueprone turkshit
>>62804903I think a lot of people sleep on the fact that armor is a "buy once, stow away forever" prep for a lot of preppers, and should shit go down a lot of people are going to get screwed over by shady plates, especially steel and white label Chinese ceramics, they bought 5, 10, even 15-20 years ago and are just now bringing out of the closet. Hell, a lot of people are still chugging along with TAP Gamma III+ plates from the early 2010s. They're good plates, but it goes to show people aren't proactively looking at their armor and going "huh, that crazy guy with the .300 Weatherby up the street is bragging on his CB about all his M2AP reloads, maybe my off-brand III+ AR500 from some guy's garage at the gun show fifteen years ago isn't going to cut it. Maybe I should get on tacswap and get some gray market XSAPIs and good soft armor. Maybe my bud's weird ass 6lb Level IV++'s from 2008 by a company that went bust in 2009 aren't the best idea."
>>62796587This is the kinda shit I come here for, good work anon
Bump
>>62791006>What shotgun would a hobo have, anyway?a $50 old h&r break open single shot
>>62809828which are actually great firearms, by the way. you don't need more than one shot for food and the occasional hobo gunfight with crackhead niggers stealing your shit.
>>62807582>armor is a "buy once, stow away forever" prep for a lot of preppersThis is a big problem all on its own. You're right about the fact that a lot of guys put their plates in a carrier, wear it around for 30 minutes larping in their house and snapping some photos to post on their social media (or 4chan lol), take it off and put it in the closet and never touch it again. These guys don't know what they're in for if shit goes sideways and they pull that carrier out of the closet for the first time in 5 years and try to run around carrying all that extra weight that they're not used to. The worst time to don tactical gear and really use it for the first time is when people are already shooting each other.>>62809841Better to get a pump action, because then you won't even need to shoot. Just rack a shell into the chamber and the bad gun will run away. 40% of the time it works 100% of the time!
>>62806838If you live somewhere warm and that DDPM is tropical issue, grab whatever fits. Really fucking comfy.
>>62809828Not likely. That's what a hobo might buy, but you're going to need a place of residence for a 4473 so a hobo's shotgun is going to be from the pre-hobo times or just stolen.
>>62810678funnily, there's countless high quality but old singles out there in rural areas and old towns that would be sold privately or even gifted for work. .410, 20 and 12 gauge (.410 and 20 is probably the most common).
>>62810848How's life in the 1930s anon?
bump
I was thinking about making an infographic of good US surplus options (pouches, packs, chest rigs, LBE, etc.), but I feel like most everyone already know what those options are, especially all the UCP/ACU stuff. Plenty of that stuff still out there in really good condition at dirt cheap prices (even new condition for some of the stuff I've bought). Just need to dye or spray paint it.
>>62804980>AR500>Not poorfag, not cope.
>>62813642Read it again retard. Use your finger to keep your place.
>>62806834Does this store have jeep with a mannequin in it?
>>62813372I still think that would be useful, especially once something bad happens again and there's a huge influx of poor retards new to this looking for answers.
>>62813372This is a good idea. People tend to sleep on things like the sustainment pouches, which are dirt cheap and have massive storage. Not ideal for magazines but some people do use them for magazine-fed shotguns in 3-gun comps.
>>62813897>>62813905I might do it. It would be a pretty serious undertaking with the amount of MOLLE II and FILBE components available, and having to write up feature summaries for each. There are many pieces I don't own, so I'd have to rely on information from sites like CIE Hub to write up feature summaries.There's also stuff like BAE System's Eclipse line of gear that, while not as cheap as the MOLLE II and FILBE surplus, is very well made and a steal for the prices Tactical Advantage sells it for.https://www.entrygear.com/list.asp?listtype=cat&cat=showall&mfg=116BAE Systems made this stuff for a military contract for a few years back in the 2000s, then lost the contract. Tactical Advantage bought all of unsold gear from BAE in the early 2010s, and has been selling it off ever since. I have the assault belt and some of the pouches, and it's all really nice.
>>62804446There's nothing else in that budget
>>62814125There are many things inside $200. They're just not revolvers.
>>62814168Oh cool can you say one
>>62791044No .32 calibers? What about .38 spcl? We need a list a and list b...
>>62814173Some of them are literally on that fucking image. Pick one.
>>62814177there's so many cheap and quality revolvers out there on the secondhand market.
>>62798699I'll add a 3a listing.>>62800469No.>>62804460>Highcom 4SAS7Will add, thank you. RMA will be removed.>>62813372I'll be adding more to the surp area of gear queer. I'll keep it in mind.>>62814177There is a section on buying used guns. I'm trying to stick with generally known decent guns or ones I have personally fucked with and consider good.Photoshop crashed and I'm too pissed to restart. SNS are removed and the Hi-Points take their place. Uberti stays for the felons. Surefire X300 Ultra for $250 gets added to lights.I plan on completely redoing the ammo section. I'm thinking more like a spreadsheet with categories and checkmarks. Maybe just listing all the good brands to buy from.I'm thinking of completely removing Holsters and Slings because it's really self explanatory.
Kydex press finished. I'm making another 3a backer for a lvl3 plate now. Afterwards I will cut the finished backer to shape and laminate the ceramic on it.
For a minute, I thought /pfg/ was dying, but even /gq/ nearly just fell off page 10 with only 132 posts. /k/ in general seems slow recently.
>>62819617>/gq/ nearly just fell off page 10Because they're all in here talking about why plates aren't just a waste of cash.
>>62819668There's discussion there about restarting /bag/. Weird times man.
>>62819668A waste of cash compared to what? You're very unlikely to ever use armor in any serious capacity, but the same could be said about a rifle (or even a pistol unless your EDC one). That said, I've previously stated here that if a poorfag already has good firearms for protection, spending money on food, water, medical and power storage are a better way to spend money, if they don't already have those covered.>>62820104Ridiculous. Discussing body armor doesn't necessitate its own general. It mostly gets discussed in /gq/ and rarely takes up more than a handful of posts in any given thread. The current infographics are good enough for anyone trying to get an idea of what they need and should get.
>>62820374>compared to whatDamn near everything up to and including NODs. You'll probably find a use for those. You might wear kevlar out and about on the off chance. NOBODY is putting fucking plates on to do the weekly shop.>the same could be said about a rifle (or even a pistol If you were a moron. There are plenty of things you can do with those that don't involve getting tooled up for WW3 in suburbia. Outside of going out actively looking for trouble there is one thing you can do with plates, and that's add weight to your kit. There's cheaper ways to do that.
>>62820409I don't want to reignite this debate, but you have a narrow view of the utility of plates. That said, I do sort of agree with you about NODs over plates. If you live in a rural area (or even a more rural suburban area with a lot of woods) NODs offer more utility than armor. If it comes down to either plates or NODs for patrolling a plot of rural land, plates aren't very useful. NODs (and thermals) become a requirement at night.
>>62820421>narrow view of the utility of platesThey literally do one thing and they do it in an extremely inconvenient way.
RIA has graciously sent me a 10 round magazine to replace my malfunctioning 16 round magazine.
>>62820545Sounds like you have a free 10 rounder to me.
Any good recommendations for cheap as fuck plates? Going to be wearing them over kevlar so I'm not *super* concerned about reliability but I'd like a little extra to cover my heart and lungs. Pic totally unrelated.
Go vote.
>>62821615Voting only encourages them. Cover your ballot in racial slurs instead to demoralise the enemy.
>>62820545RIA will send me a 16 round magazine.
>>62821528How cheap is cheap? I got a set of second hand multicurve 4SAS7 for $340 recently, and that seems to be the going rate for those plates.
>>62791006>a Maverick 88 he fished out of a dumpsterYeah, that's where I usually find mine. The dumpster behind Dollar Trees have the most.
>>62820545I fixed the magazine. So I'll have 2 free 16 round magazines now. I'm hoping at least one works.
>>62791006this one homeless motherfucker showed me his slam fire shotgun once in front of 711
>>62825207What's wrong with it anyway? You can generally get even the biggest piece of shit to work well enough for range use with a tweak here or there.
>>62825402It was a 10 round magazine. I live in a free state.
>>62825475Har de har. I mean the first one that needed replacement.
>>62825523The follower seemed fine. Either the spring is weak or the two dimples put into the feed lips are too tight. Sometimes the bullets don't point up. When I try to move them they pop up, but it's like they pivot off those dimples.
Deleting my post? Really? It was barely even tangibly related to a certain even you dumb moderators. Anyways, whats the chance import laws gets better and we get more poorfag guns now?
>>62825585I'd give the spring a bit of a stretch and touch up the dimples with wet/dry paper if you have some handy. Maybe rub a bit of wax in there and give it a buff. Some mild targeted abuse should get you a range mag.>>62825594They're feeling a little bit triggered right now. Don't worry, they'll soon be too busy stockpiling hormones and booking tickets to Canada/Israel.Anyway, not likely to happen. Enjoy your yanktrash.
>>62825636Yeah, I won't let that magazine go to waste. I'm just glad RIA gave me 2 free ones.
>>62806874god my fucking eyes would eject out of my skull if i saw this
>>62826035Don't get too excited, apparently it was mostly Turkish semi autos with significant defects that the owner didn't want to fix and resell so he told an employee to just chuck them
All m855. 1st round, no penetration2nd round, no penetration 3rd round, no penetration 4th round, penetration, reason: same hole as 3rd5th round, no penetration 6th round, no penetration 7th round, no penetration 8th round, penetration, reason: within 1" of 5th round9th round, no penetration 10th round, penetration, reason: same hole as 7thThe plate can withstand multiple hits, but is incapable of taking a direct hit to a previous hit. We're talking exactly in the same hole. I give a little leeway to the 8th penetrating due to the abuse the plate already suffered and it was close to a previous shot. The final plate has noticeable bfd, even if it was only just noticeable. Well within spec. It used 18oz woven instead of the prototype's 24oz. The ceramic inside stayed inside.
>>62828556How heavy is it? How much time and money did it take? Have you tried 30-06 AP?
>>62828835A little over 9lbs. An hour and a half actual work, 6+ days for epoxy curing at different stages. About $8. I don't have the right projectiles for AP, but these plates would fail.
>>62828556Should have posted the back. The bullets that come out are in fragments.
>>62828907>The bullets that come out are in fragmentsA thin sheet of PE sandwiched in there might do enough to slow them down. I assume the backer is welding blanket or the like.
>>62800469Agreed get that shit outa here.
>>62803728The only gun i didnt care that the feds took. Rock island a shit
Sorry about that URL, I'm phone posting.
>>62829482https://shop.tacticalshit.com/chase-tactical-4sas4-10x12-shooter-cut-multi-curve-plate
>>62829496Rebranded Highcom plate: https://www.highcomarmor.com/product/4sas4/Highcom are legit, but I don't see that plate listed on the NIJ CPL. Highcom says it's "NIJ compliant." Highcom does do their own NIJ lab style testing, if you trust that. They do have other plates currently active on the NIJ CPL. It's probably fine. Tactical Shit is a garbage retailer, but that's not a bad deal on that plate. Most sites I see are selling it for at least $150. $200 for a pair is a decent deal.
>>62829525That's the kind of deal the poorfag on the Clapham Omnibus might give some consideration to. Problem is they're so random and transient there's no point putting anything into an infographic beyond "look for smoking deals if you want plates or you're just fucking yourself in the vague hope some other gear queer thinks you look cool (they don't)".
>>62829525wtf insane
>>62828991Negative, that would make it too thick.>>62829525It's certified on the 0101.04 system. Pretty sure that means it's ancient and no longer actually certified.Tore apart the finished product plate. 1st tile layer is decently intact except for where the bullets hit. 2nd layer, which was not divided up, is dust. Some steel cores were recovered embedded in the backer.
Just bought a new one of these for $220 I guess it's a plastic cz clone.Did I do a big brain poorfag move or am I gonna regret it?(I just wanted a full size 9mm that wasn't a glock or taurus)
>>62829941Ah yes the READ WARNING BEFORE USING GUNS made by FT ITALY, a fine weapon, did you get AI to generate this or something?
>>62829948Nope, just a clone of a clone of a good gun, but made in Italy, assembled in the Philippines, then sold in the USA under two different brands.If it makes it dirt cheap, I'm all aboard as long as it works.
>>62829941Mine has worked well besides the magazine. It takes CZ mags, so I've been fine.
>>62829948It says Tanfoglio right there my dude. It's a Tanfoglio Force, a plastic framed Jericho without the Jewish bodykit. A friend had one years ago, nice gun. Maybe the flips fucked something up but I doubt it if they had any level of support from Tanfoglio.
>>62829941Do me a favour, I assume you have the 9x19 model. Is the mag etc. limited to 1.17" or is it the same overall gun as the .38 super model? Reason being I've been hemming and hawing over reaming a G24 barrel for 356 TSW but a cheap donor for 9x23 would appeal more.
>>62830022I haven't gotten it in yet but when it arrives I'll let you know. All I've been told so far about mags is that factory one it comes with is dogshit, but any decent cz45b mags will fit in it nicely.
>>62830034Ah right. Of course, being an internet thing is the reason I've not been able to get hold of one to look at so it stands to reason you didn't buy one at a B&M either.It's not that 356 TSW is underpowered, but getting the entire gun for the price of a barrel along with space for an extra grain of powder is a good deal in my book. 356 TSW seems like a definite step back over 357 SIG. Man I really hate what 9x19 and 5.56 have done to gimp the potential for amateur gun fuckery.
I can't believe the prices all the dirt cheap woodland woodland gear I used to see in surplus stores back in the '00s and '10s goes for now lol. Nobody wanted it because it screamed "1990s hillbilly militia" and now a single canteen pouch in very good condition will sell for $15-$20 on eBay.
>>62832561>in very good conditionWell that's the catch, isn't it? Not many things over 40 years old can be accurately described as VGC.
>>62830034>factory one it comes with is dogshitThat's weird. Tanfoglio uses Mec-Gar. Wonder where the flips are getting theirs.
>>62832599I ordered two Mec-Gar mags with it, I just hope I got the right ones. I think any capacity of the "cz75b" mags will fit it right?
>>62832573Sure, but you used to be able to find a ton of the stuff barely used back then. I don't doubt there are dudes with storage units full of the stuff that they've forgotten about. Whether they properly packed it up to avoid mold and other degradation would be another matter, though. It's just funny that nobody gave a shit about it even 8 years ago and now it consistently fetches good profits online.Unfortunately I don't think anyone with a warehouse full of UCP/ACU stuff will ever have that kind of windfall. The only people who will ever buy it are dudes who don't mind breaking out the Rit dye.
>>62832626Should do. IIRC the originals had some sort of problem with feeding and you needed to make the mags sit a bit higher, but that's going waaay back.>>62832636Well that's just it, stuff hanging around for a few years, whatever. You get into a couple of decades and you'd better have done the prep work or your shit is now all kinds of fucked.
>>62832573>>62832573Found a plastic tote filled with woodland camo cleaning out the garage because grandpa in-law LIVED the "1990s hillbilly militia" lyfe>4 pants >2 rain trousers >a jacket>cold weather liners for all>trigger finger mittens with wool liner gloves All in GC or VGCAlso found a medic bag from vietnam stocked with period correct supplies, a couple AK mags, a 40mm grenade ammo can and several duffle bags.Felt like a true scav. Especially when I found the old collector's Jim Beam decanter train set still sealed. Would have been a pretty good haul inna apocalypse.Pain in the ass cleaning that place out but the surp was worth it. God bless 90s hillbilly militia hoarders.
>>62832671Yeah but the reason they're up 20x is that for every tote box there's a conex full of crap welded together with goopy vinyl and rat piss left in a desert somewhere.
>>62832671Based gramps You did check the walls right anon? Ain't no way he didn't have a "just in case of red dawn" rifle hidden away I personally have a lee Enfield that came out of a hospital wall along with about 15 more rifles, innawall cashes are a real thing
>>62834308Grandad had half a BREN under his allotment shed. No idea which of his mates had the barrels.
Bump.
All of your NV toys mean nothing. Pic related can do everything you can for $100 and two cheeseboogers out the back of the KFC dumpster.
>>62834308>You did check the walls right anon? Ain't no way he didn't have a "just in case of red dawn" rifle hidden awayThat's a good idea, anon. All the sheetrock was replaced besides the garage. I don't think there's insulation in there so I could borrow a scope and poke some holes to check it out. There was an SKS hiding in a pile of shit in the garage but that was unfortunately sold a long time ago.
>>62837326>There was an SKSFor every SKS you see there are 4 you don't.
>>62837383
>>62796587Get a Chicom chest rig and mod it.
>>62798567They would probably have whatever they could get their hands on.An absolutely desperate hobo with no resources would fashion a slam-fire out of some pipes.
>>62791044What's this?
Have any fellow poorfags tried 3d printing anything /k/ related? I wanted to try some things like flashlight mounts and such.
>>62818236Hey fellow Hoser.
>>62837743I've printed all sorts of things for checking placement and feel of foregrips, that sort of thing. Beats buying one of everything off Amazon and then returning them all. Wouldn't trust it to hold anything important.
>>62837832I use them at work to print specialized vice jaws out of carbon fiber for my CNC milling machines. I’m sure a grip or flashlight Mount isn’t out of the question.
>>62837655Cheapo 223 evaporating gaige grosskreutz's arm after he tried to execute Rittenhouse.
>>62837655>>62838264Reminder that Grosskreutz was allegedly an antifa street medic (and even wore a cap that said "paramedic" on it) but couldn't even apply a TQ to his own arm, lol.
>>62796604pants used to be worn higher, this is only about 2" or 3" above the top of them. think of where you'd wear a battle belt nowadays. When the gear is at elbow height, it sits at where your waist is naturally its thinnest (assuming you aren't fat)It's better for German gear from the 1940s through 60s, better weight distribution than if it were lower, and assuming you have internal suspenders on the tunic or external Y straps above, and the belt properly cinched, it supports the weight across your back and beltline. the German tunics have belt hook holes placed at around this height for this reason.
A hobo would have a hi-point fished out of some public pond with a pedestrian bridge over it.niggers can't swim they don't know how deep water is
I wonder how fiberglass plate would perform in a non-nutonian fluid base.Because non nutonian fluids are interesting in that the thicker they are the better they perform, you probably can't manufacture a vacuum compressed poly composite, but the bullet itself is going to compress the fluid, and that would have your plate a really interesting relative hardness where it dissipated energy better around the impact point without sheering at the impact horizon.Could you use co2 to spray silly putty on layers of kevlar/fiberglass, then apply resin as an outer coating? My curiosity here is that if your material was substandard and you were essentially rellying on a thicker plate, a non nutonian fluid might perform better in those dimensions.And my gut feeling is that if you aren't 3A you may as well increase plate coverage, because you might be able to tank 9mm rounds in a way that even a 3a couldn't tank 223
>>62838242Your 6-axis isn't under recoil.Odd choice to be printing simple parts when you have better machines and materials, but it takes all sorts.
>>62839197Newtonian. His name was Newton and despite what the Jews tell you he wasn't a fag. They're just mad about him making coin clipping harder.
Trying to find a cheap effective shotgun light/sling mounting system. Is picrel, 20 bucks on Aliexpress and aluminium, good enough ?
>>62840099Maybe. Expensive for what it is and no returns. The ones that enclose the tube seem to hold up better.
>>62840099>$20L99ks fine, not a lot to break here. With free shipping, yes.
Recs for a picatinny foregrip on a shotgun? I’ve only used BCM mloks.
>>62791006
>>62840767Kek based
>>62840767Typical cheapskate. The nicer homes give out PSA Daggers.
I just bought a rossi 92 since an anon recommend it as a good cheaper lever gun a few weaks ago, 44 magnum. Are there any good video tutorials on how to disassembly and clean gunky oil out of this thing? I've heard that they're a bitch to open up.
>>62842533Did you check YouTube?
>>62842603no video actually shows it being cleaned and boomers keep saying "POUR BREAK CLEANER IN IT HURR" and other comments say that will damage the forend of the gun, idk
>>62842624Well, I don't know anything about that rifle, but I just use Break Free CLP to clean and lube my guns. Only other thing I use is a bore cleaner for cleaning out rifle barrels if I'm not going to be shooting them for a while.
>>62842533Is this factory grease or did Bubba hose WD40 in there a decade ago? Is the finish good, any other work needed?
>>62842114Yeah and they get a mob of 20something Mexicans rolling up and leaving the kids with nothing.
>>62842706>>62842752these rossi guns come shipped from brazil and they are absolutely leaking with cosmoline newI've seen many people say to take the stock off, pull the bolt out, and spray brake cleaner down inside and let the gunk drip out the barrel, but if you dont have any polymer coating on the forend it will get damaged. Theyre also a real bitch to disassembly compared to a henry or something.
>>62842757I just want a video of someone ACTUALLY DOING IT instead of a 60 year old grandpa on a gun forum poorly describing the instructions so I wont fuck my gun.
>>62842764>TFW you fuck your gun.
>>62842764I would suck it up and take the wood off. The cleaning part is then made easy and idiotproof, just warm up the metal and dunk it in some acetone/mineral oil mix.
>>62837633>Chicom>FlannelBased and czech’d
>>62837766Bc anon?
Bamp
Black Friday and Cyber Monday sales will be upon us sooner than usual due to Thanksgiving being so late in the month this year. Should we post relevant sales here when they come?
>>62846879>Should we post relevant sales here when they come?Yes
>>62791044How come there is no hi-point pistol?
>>62848832Nvm, it's there I didn't noticed it. my mistake.
Does anyone sell those Italian UMPHWE or whatever plates cheap anymore, or did hohols buy them all up? Or anything of similar protection at similar prices
Wtf pg9, are you people too poor to post for free?
/pfg/ life just keps winning.>>62847984
>>62850654Just picked up one of those harnesses at a surp store for $10 on Friday.
>>62843069I spent about a decade in BC, moved to the US a few years back. BC is cozy though and very good for crown land shooting opportunities. Also nice Keltec.
>>62851157Is BC in Australia?
>>62850654Nice rig.
>>62851101I addd the 100oz bladder carrier and 2 admin multipurpose (TP and Skittles) pouches on back. The ammo pouched are set for M14 mags.>>62851654Thx, I like ABU and don't care what anybody says. Plus, unissued surp, so penis on the dollar.
>>62842533Did you get the free revolver?
I finally got my Holosun P.ID HC.
I'm ordering this 93$ bullpup glock chassis, I'll be reporting back to see if it works on a real Glock parts kit or not.
>>62852360I'll save you time, it won't.
>>62852562>Mr. NegativeYou present a powerful argument.
>>62852730It's not an argument. It's a frame replacement so either it works with airsoft or it works with Glocks, and if it's being advertised for airsoft you now know which it is.
PoorGODS, our era is coming
>>62851157Fine coast ya got there, too bad it's on the wrong side of the country (I am jealous of your move to a reasonable place)
>>62852983I would go read the arfcom thread before getting too excited, that looks like somebody just downloaded the images and made a fake website.
>>62853046There is a link to that website in the ARF thread
>>62840099be sure to locktite it
>>62851694>I like ABU and don't care what anybody saysI think the color scheme is still goofy, like UCP/ACU, but the pattern itself certainly looks cooler than ACU. It looks like a tiger stripe pattern from a PS1 game or something, which appeals to my boomer brain.>unissued surp, so penis on the dollarLol, for real. I've got a modern expensive battle belt and plate carrier setup, but I started buying GWOT era stuff once I came across Rit dye videos on YT and noticed how cheap barely used ACU stuff is, I started buying it. I bought a bunch of pouches and put together a LBE belt kit, bought a MOLLE II ruck and assault pack and a bunch of other odds and ends. Surplus and Rit dye is the most cost effective way to put together a perfectly useable, well made kit loadout on a tight budget.Now that I know I really like belt kit, I might still buy one of the modern options. Probably the Carcajou Tactical one, but it's $500+, and the one I've got made from MOLLE II surplus works just fine, so I'm not in any rush to buy one.>>62852983A civvie belt fed AR with a thicc as fuck HBAR barrel with a FRT would be cool as fuck desu.
>>62854496>but it's $500+If you're looking in that area you may as well just import Jay Jay's. You'll get better kit and save some money.
>>62854678I have to look into the JayJays stuff a bit more. Of the options I've come across, the Carcajou and JayJays stuff are the 2 that really caught my eye.
>>62854860You could have a look at Dragon as well I suppose, they do good customisation. Thing is Jay Jay's basically does the perfected gucci PLCE, there's a well established Right Way To Belt Kit and it doesn't involve PALS making everything janky and floppy. It sounds good on paper but just makes everything worse, in reality about the only thing you might want to switch out is your right hand, maybe, and a patch of PALS there is an option.Yokes are expensive and there's nothing wrong with the issue one. If your banter's on point they might even chuck an ebay one into the shipment for you, both Jay Jay's and Dragon are generally good lads.
>>62855118Yeah I'm currently using a BAE Systems MOLLE war belt with USGI pouches. It works great, I can fit everything I want on it. I'll have to see if one of the Brit options would work out. I do like the idea of sewn on pouches as long as I can basically replicate what I'm currently carrying.The Brits seem to get the concept right. I've found that I like 2 utility pouches at the back as opposed to a butt pack. You can fit quite a bit more in a butt pack (as well as larger items), but I also like being able to split up certain items into 2 different pouches. I've got 2 USGI Individual First Aid Kit pouches at the back of my belt. They're like 6" wide, 7.5" tall, 3" deep, bigger than the typical IFAK pouches that come with the inserts.
>>62855305The big GP pouches are something like 8x6x5, if you can't fit it in there it really belongs in a proper pack. You can get the big jetboil or a jungle bag in there if you want to. Plus if you've done it right you're now carrying a shelf around behind you, strapping ad hoc items on there is pretty trivial.
>>62850654>>62851694Are those ABU 200 round saw pouches?
>>62849129Those ran out like a year and a half ago bruh. Generally, for what those were going for the options for giga-poorfags is to forgo plates entirely considering they were going for like 50$ and you're not going to find any plate worth a shit at those prices unless it's surp. But given the new administration we might see more surplus plates like that imported in the future but it's just a wait and see thing.
>>62856495Looks like 100 round, not deep enough for 200.
>>62791044What if we added a crossbow to the rifles section
>>62859969That would be somewhat stupid. A decent crossbow will set you back more than a cheap AR and be about as effective as a single shot pistol.
>>62854496Buying the Carcajou belt kit genuinely makes no sense. Tailored belt kits are half the price including shipping across the fucking Atlantic. Or go for a British Tactical hippo belt if you really want to use MOLLE pouches.
>>62860429It's got novelty value I guess. I just don't see what people are swapping around, you want as many big-ass pouches as will fit across your back, mags on the left, and mags or more likely admin on the right.Granted I'm wide and I do double mags, 4 utility, US SAW (for sweets and other random crap, they're a pretty good rummage bag and short enough to not get in the way), single mag (brew flask, probably) but that doesn't ever change and it's all sewn in.
>>62838932>emt in paramedic school hereThey're trying to say not to use them anymore. It's gay.
>>62860602"Use things when appropriate" is way too fucking complex for idiots and allowing people to exercise any personal judgement is a recipe for legal action as well as a habit that you're generally discouraged from developing.I'm not saying mob justice is right, just that I now understand why certain types of people provoke it.
>>62860602A short hospital ride won't matter if a TQ is applied. Problems only arise after a couple hours and those don't seem to get bad for 6 total hours.
>>62861063A surprising amount of people think if a TQ is on for more than 15 minutes that the person is going to lose the limb. A ride to the hospital is rarely longer than 30 minutes. If SHTF and there are no hospitals, hopefully you can get the injured person to a decent improvised field hospital in a relatively short period of time. It's those kinds of situations where people tend to lose limbs.
>>62791044For the AR section you could add getting a cheap lower like an Anderson like this https://ar15discounts.com/products/anderson-manufacturing-am-15-stripped-lower-receiver-closed-anodized-black/ and filling it out with parts: https://ar15discounts.com/collections/lower-parts/lower-build-kits/ then you can get a decent upper that goes on sale from a company like Daniel Defense, Sionics, Colt, (insert whatever you're thinking here) and then you could get an AR that will last a lot longer while costing a similar amount.
>>62861717Sure, building is almost always going to be cheaper, but that's if you already have the tools necessary to do it properly. Sure, you can Bubba Gunsmiff the job and it will probably work okay, but it's best to have proper tools.
>>62862283Assembling an AR lower isn't a tool heavy process though
>>62862310I know. I've put together a lower with very few tools, but a vise and a fixture like the VISM lower receiver vise block are pretty critical for properly torquing down the castle nut and staking it.
>if your castle nut isn't torqued to exactly 17.65 lb ft and staked, you will dielmao
>>62862403I've always used my legs as a vice to torque the castle nut. No issues so far with 3 lowers.
>>62862476>>62863295
>>62864296What did he mean by this?
>>62862403You've got armpits and an auto punch, right? It's an AR, they're made of cheese.
>>62859969you need to be 18 to post here
>>62864883Even a 17yo can get a BP double shipped to the door. Maybe not legally but it's not like anyone's checking.
>>62804460>Highcom 4SAS7I'll be watching out for any black friday deals for these.
Are these lvl 4 plates legit, or fake?https://shop.tacticalshit.com/chase-tactical-4sas4-10x12-shooter-cut-multi-curve-plate
>>62865123Legit. They're 0101.04 legacy plates made by Highcom, predecessors to their 4SAS7. The reason why these aren't on the /bag/ infographic over in /gq/ is because this is a temporary deal with caveats, kind of like the old Italian PE plates but not remotely as desperate. These were originally meant for the Ukies but they refused the plates, so they're being sold on the cheap to the public. I'm not privy to why the Ukrainians didn't want them. My guess is that their relative lack of drop protection layers versus newer plates means they'd potentially be too fragile under rough frontline combat conditions. While much tougher than fudds would have you believe, they can't pass the 0101.06 conditioning test like newer ceramics on the CPL can.>>62865077They've been the gold standard of budget Level IV for a decade. >>62849129They're long gone and weren't an ideal option even in their prime. All-PE plates are weak against threats like M855, which is very common.
>>62865211>predecessors to their 4SAS7Any idea what the difference is between the 4SAS4 and the 4SAS7 is? The specs are nearly identical. The main difference that I noticed is that the 4SAS7 plates are a little lighter than the 4SAS4.
>>62865295Difference in the composite backer and drop protection components. The 4SAS7 is made to NIJ 0101.05 interim spec so it's a little more resilient than 0101.04 spec like the older 4SAS4. Neither plate IIRC is certified to the current 0101.06.
>>62859969I can kinda make an edge case for using a crossbow if the environment is non-permissive, you need to hunt or defend property from intruders, and for some contrived reason you can't get or use a can. Maybe 15 years post SHTF? That's contrived as hell and beyond the scope of the guide probably maybe actually.
>>62865211These are still good enough though, right?
>>62865427I know the 4SAS4s are a good deal but I'd save up for the 4SAS7s. I don't know why the Ukies passed on the 4SAS4s and it would suck for you to get burned on them. What if it's like the TAP Gammas of years past and they have delamination issues down the road or other issues? The 4SAS7s are rock solid and have been a standby since Lightfighter was a relevant forum.
>>62865427>>62865438It sounds like they made more plates than what the ukies ordered. They should be good
>>62865459Ultimately your call, but the 4SAS7s aren't much more cash especially with black friday coming up. You get what you pay for with armor.
I demand this thread to LIVE until black Friday is over.
>>62793422Open the image in a new tab, go to the end of the url and delete the letter m. If that doesn't work, then delete the letter m and change .jpg to .png
>>62791006Either a Maverick 88 or a Hawk 982, the Hawk would be the superior choice.
>>62791044Get rid of the RIA and use the Taurus 856.
>>62791044The Sauer SL5 is an Italian made semi-automatic, tube-fed, shotgun that goes on sale frequently for 400-500$
>>62866995No.
I want 1 more light to add. Should I add another to optics? I think swampfox was mentioned before. I'm going to redo the plate carrier/pouches/webbing thing. Need suggestions on poorfag stuff. I'll obviously talk about milsurp. I'll give a mention to condor, love it or hate it.I'm going to make a list of recommended brands of ammo. I NEED SUGGESTIONS ON AMMO. LIST BRAND AND CALIBER YOU LIKE! >>62867102I'm seeing it higher. It's also only a 3+1. I'll consider it, but it doesn't seem poorfag enough.
>>62867500>I'm going to make a list of recommended brands of ammo. I NEED SUGGESTIONS ON AMMO. LIST BRAND AND CALIBER YOU LIKE!I will say that certain ammo brands can be cheaper depending on where you live. For example ammo that's made locally or in your state can sometimes be bought at a lower price than if you saw it elsewhere.
>>62867533That's true. I've been debating just removing the ammo section and just leaving a reman/reload/turkish warning.
>>62867578A warning for corrosive would be good too. So people don't get shocked at why their gun is rusting after shooting hundreds of it without cleaning their gun after.
>>62867500Bersa should be added on that list for handguns. Hammer fired or striker fired models and can be found with threaded barrels for less than $300 in 9mm and .380.Such a slept on brand.
I'm making a custom kydex holster for my MAPP with Holosun P.ID HC. I hope I don't break it.>>62867833It was on a previous version, but I think the list now is more solid. Threaded barrels aren't needed for poor fags
>>62867874>Threaded barrels aren't needed for poor fagsEven without the threaded barrel they are a good deal.
>>62867874>Threaded barrels aren't needed for poor fagsConsider it a 1/2" extended barrel. That in itself is a big plus in a small gun.
>>62867874>Threaded barrels aren't needed for poor fagsIf the hearing protection act gets reintroduced maybe that will change
>>62868730My buddy died waiting for that to pass, the cheap bastard. Meanwhile, i just bought stamps. Don't get me wrong, I want it to pass! Then the gang bangers can shoot eachother with out waking up the crack babies.
>>62868768>Then the gang bangers can shoot eachother with out waking up the crack babies.The militias can shoot the gang bangers without getting caught by the police.
>>62868768What makes you think they wouldn't be doing that right now if they wanted to? They all have Aliexpress Glock switches, you think they didn't notice the "fuel filters"?They should rename the BATF to the WATF because they sure as shit don't care how long a nigger's shotgun is.
>>62868853>The militias can shoot the gang bangers without getting caught by the police.And the police can shoot the militia without gtting caught. Checkmate, the vicious circle is unbroken.>>62868976>WATF>What Ava The FuckDoesn't really work, bro.
>>62868976There's no incentive to catching an urban black with illegal firearm activity. They will eventually use it on another black or on law enforcement which would justify gunning them down
>>62870023There it is, the safe cosy blanket of cope. Toasty warm like a mostly peaceful protest.
>>62860429This also looks like an affordable option for MOLLE belt kit.https://www.sordusa.com/platforms/patrol-order/
>>62867500There's no reason to.Olight and Streamlight is the poorfags choice. Everything else is either complete dogshit or too expensive.You should expand the optics a bit though, mention monstrum and Vortex Spitfire DRT - since it's a 1x prism scope it's a godsend for cripples with astigmatism, only $200 and the reticle is really good for HD/quick target acquisition.
>putting rail on 10/22>3 out of 4 screws come off fine>4th melts under the tiniest pressure>same screwdriver>same amount of pressureI'm fucking seething. Looks sturdy enough with the 3 though.
I went ahead and made a new thread>>62871437>>62871437>>62871437
>>62791006https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKJWxeTC04ESomeday I may want one for ai drone future skynet distopic hellscape timelines
Good thread.
>>62867206Enjoy your Pinoy pot metal revolver.
>>62803624my brother in Christ why is your magnifier IN FRONT of your optic?
