Past and Present EditionPost what you want and consider creating FAQ answers.Previous thread: >>62755254
what's the value on SA marked swede mouser?
>>62830503Belgian sisters..
>>62830082For those that may not know, Rock Island Auctions is having an almost entirely mil surp auction on the 20th November.
>>62830082Alright lads, I'm headed out to try snagging a trapdoor Springfield 1884. Is there anything I should look out for specifically other than just the usual cracks in the stock and shitty bore?
>>62831294about tree fiddy
>>62831294I paid 850 dollarydoos for mine last month (please laugh), that said mine is all matching besides the cleaning rod and my barrel isn't threaded.
Redpill me on the Type 99 Arisaka. Am I in for a good time if I pick one up? Any shitty ones to look out for?
>>62832391they ae great guns and you can find great shooters ~$400. the biggest issue is ammo as its pretty stupid expensive and sometimes not readily available.It is arguably the best bolt action rifle of WW2 and has an insanely smooth action. Early war patterns have chrome lined barrels/bolt faces while later war ones lack features and are much rougher looking. They will still shoot just fine as long as they have not been neglected and are usually decent dealsif you care about the chrysanthemum being defaced prepare to pay double or even triple. great gun, actually ok value if you can stomach the ammo cost and are ok with an imperfect example.
>>62832391almost forgot, make sure you do not accidentally buy a training rifle. these have unrifled barrels and are incapable of shooting (they can blow up if you put live ammo in them.) These days almost all listing will explicitly say in the title that its a training rifle but its just something to keep in mind as other than some japanese markings they look identical to the real gun.
Newfag here with babby's first milsurp. Any advice for taking care of small spots of surface rust? Is this a good guide? https://www.leraa.com/articles/rust-removal
>>62831371>Rock Island AuctionWhile they do get good stuff and some real rarities, their prices are almost always way more than what any reasonable person should pay for common surp. The people with more money than brains seem to bid there.>>62831531Check for breech block tightness, hammer straightness, and firing pin movement in terms of mechanics. I once found a trapdoor that had the firing pin stuck in the forward position and my trapdoor had the hammer slightly bent so that it wasn't coming down flush to the face of the firing pin but I bent it slightly to correct that. There are cadet versions of the Trapdoor Springfield that have slightly shorter barrels (29.6") than the standard infantry rifle (32&5/8" barrel) that are out there. Otherwise, in terms or originality, look for strong cartouches on the wood and color case hardening on the breechblock and receiver. A blued breechblock means it's been refinished. >>62832391Type 99s are nice rifles, really like the chrome lined bores on the early ones. Later war rifles are rough but functional. Mummed examples are not as rare as they're made out to be, and should only have a slight premium over a ground mum example. You can use .30-06 cases for brass if you're reloading your own and you can find .311" bullets for them without issue. Factory ammo is pricy and surp ammo is nonexistent. Avoid the trainer rifles unless you want a wall hanger, they're usually smoothbore and will lack some of the markings standard rifles have.
>>62832676>You can use .30-06 cases for brassI knew about .303 for bullets but didnt know 30-06 brass is good for it.I have 30-06 dies already, just need a 303 bullet seater and I guess im good for 7.7 jap. Wasnt even on my shortlist for reloading even but this moved it up..
>>62830082I want a vietnam-era m16a1 so bad
>>62832933i mean, you need 7.7 dies. 30-06 dies aren't going to do anything for you.
>>62832976lol yea
>>62832933ehhhhhhh. no not quite. They are similar but enough is different you want 7.7 jap dies to do the correct work to the 30cal brass and the 303 bullet seating7.7 dies arent hard to find either. Shits even on Amazon. If the caliber you are reloading for has dies on fucking Amazon, then its not a big leap to work onhttps://www.amazon.com/RCBS-7-7-mm-58-mm-Japanese-Arisaka/dp/B000GU4YQK
>>62833053>If the caliber you are reloading for has dies on fucking Amazon, then its not a big leap to work onThis. No one is allowed to complain until youre casting your own bullets and commissioning your own dies be fabricated by the local boomer missing no less than 4 fingers with his garage lathe.I dont even know what image i picked fuck you>verification not required
>>62832976just buy a parts kit dummy
>>62830082Next time wait for the old thread to die before starting a new one, and post pictures of your own 'surp rather than immediately regurgitating the same pics from the last thread. >>62832648>Any advice for taking care of small spots of surface rust?0000 steel wool or bronze/ pure copper wool and oil.
>>62833468Thanks fren. Think I'll go pick up some steel wool and Ballistol this weekend and see how she cleans up.
>>62833468Thread was gonna die in the middle of the night so I figured I may as well get the next one ready. Also my camera is dogshit so no one would want to see my Garands.
Does anyone here know any good resources for identifying certain milsurp? In particular these Swiss wool blankets. Every single result that comes up on dogshit Google is just commercial bullshit selling real and fake blankets. I'm looking for a website that actually explains how to identify a real one and what each inscription means and how they have changed over time. Pic related is (I assume) a real one I purchased a few years back.
>>62834055No dice, Anon. I want dogshit pics of your dogshit Garands by Monday morning.
Posting my nuggy
>>62835117tanker garand I assume?
I really wanna take my M95 to the range soon, but I can't justify buying more bullets after I stocked up on 8mm for my Mauser. I really should've better allocated my bullet dollars
>>62836396i wish i had the m95m in 8mm mauser instead. i still have a pile of 56r from the 30s but i dont think the gun is worth keeping if it dries up idk
>>62836375Carbine M1.
>>62836565RARE UNISSUED M1 GARAND CARBINE. ONLY 5 EVER MADE. COMES WITH AUTHENTIC M1 GARAND CARBINE SAWTOOTH BAYONET USED FOR SAWING THRU FENCES OF CONCENTRATION CAMPS. SERIOUS BIDS ONLY. $450,000
>>62836565i know that bayonet doesnt actually fit the garand you cant trick me
>>62830082Why the fuck do boomers want god damn money orders so much.
Acquired a Springfield Trapdoor for 600
>>62837466For the same reason we'll be wondering why people wont venmo us when we're 80
>>62837477whats with that sight hood
>it aint me intensifies
Fuck FedEx and fuck every goddamned nigger who works for them. After mulling it over for months I finally shelled out for a pristine M1 Carbine only for some nog to steal it out the back of a truck en route to my FFL. I'll get my money back, but fucking hell it hurts to think of how a piece of history is now contributing to some upstanding street scholar's college fund.
>>62834328your best bet is to find a place that specializes (or has large inventory) in swiss military surplus and ask if they have dealt with tis type of item before. A blanket is the kind of surplus item that likely no one really gives a shit about so there probably isn't any hoarded knowledge about them anywhere. For example I have purchased surplus Italian blankets from a place that had a whole bunch of random Italian shit and they would likely know what was real and where legit sources of those Italian blankets would come from.
>>62837811>the nog just stole that one package containing a gun>just a coincidencesomeone at fedex is making calls to the other niggers
>>62830082God, what beautiful fucking rifles.>>62832391They are good rifles as they are, but 7.7mm Arisaka is not very commonly available, and a lot of the ammo that's been around is just not fucking good.Thankfully, they use the same size of projectiles as .303 British (.311) and you can make 7.7mm Arisaka brass by converting .30-06 Springfield or 7.92mm Mauser brass.They're also near impossible to fuck up, the breech on the 7.7mm Arisaka rifles is retardedly fucking strong, they will easily survive shooting the wrong ammo (but don't actually try doing this!). Because of how robust they are, they were somewhat popular for turning into particularly high powered sporters.Compare to the Lee Navy, where you would need to try to find a clip too, good luck with that, and then you have the choice of converting .30-40 Krag brass (somewhat dangerous), or .220 Swift brass (not always easily available), for making .236 Navy brass.
>>62837886>find a clip too, good luck with thatLee Navy can be single loaded. Clips arent required.
I am I being reckless by shooting my ww2 guns without having a gunsmith inspect them? I make sure that when I first get it, the gun is obviously not some neglected clogged sewer pipe and make a point to clean it, but I always worry that one day I'll buy something that i'm unfamiliar with and blow myself up
>>62838269>that one day I'll buy something that i'm unfamiliar with and blow myself upthen....Dont buy something youre unfamiliar with. And generally you can assume that if a ww2 era gun looks in good shape, the seller is upfront with its history and you give it a good look over, than its fine.
>>62837516I assume bubba put it on
lee navy bros do you think i'll be able to get this for $600?
>>62838405almost certainly not but its possible. I have purchased stuff from RIAC before and you are usually paying top dollar for their items. Not trying to sound discouraging, but the reality is its a hyper competitive mainstream auction house that is filled with boomers with unlimited money to burn. I will say that while watching their auctions, there are occasionally nice guns that no one seems to be interested in that sell for even below the expected range but most of the items will actually sell higher than the expected range + their 17% buyers fee on top.good luck, better place that $600 bid early
>>62830503What aspect of this is accidental? He loads, disengages the safety, shoulders, lines up with the sights, and pulls the trigger. How else are you supposed to do it?
>>62838269Sellers will tell you to get all guns inspected by a gunsmith as a precaution to waive any hypothetical chance of liability. There's no reason for them not to say the magic words that absolve them of responsibility, even if they know the gun is in perfect working order. If you're buying literal garbage that someone found hidden in a wall in Italy, then yes, but any decent gun, no. Just check for obvious cracks, buy ammo that isn't garbage, and go test it out.>>62838456The second round slam firing is the accidental discharge.
>>62838405>RIAIt wont be $600 at the end but sure put $600 down and see what happens. Seems to be in fair enough shape minus the cut down stock
>>62838456It slam fires a second round then jams.
>>62838367its actually a legit thing that appeared on later models of the trapdoor
>>62838456>>62838530out of battery detonation while slam firing...basically the gun was missing the firing pin block that ensures the firing pin can only move while in battery and it had a weak or no firing pin spring which caused slam fires usually with soft primer commercial ammo
>>62837418It's so close; a couple mm off the back of the M1's bayonet lug and it would lock. The muzzle ring fits perfectly. >>62838269>without having a gunsmith inspect them?Many modern "gunsmiths" know very little about old firearms.
>>62838562just use the ww1 springfield bayonet if you want a fucklong blade on the end
>>62838571About that...
>>62838578
>>62838632Look closely Anon: it doesn't fit. The geometry of the muzzle ring is just slightly off and it won't slip over the muzzle and slide on the bayonet lug simultaneously. I'm not going to modify it because it fits so well on my M1903s.
>>62838651how can this be i thought they were identical bayonets between the springfield and the garand
>>62838657>how can this be i thought they were identical bayonets between the springfield and the garandTolerance stacking. The barrel on the M1 is a commercial 7.62NATO replacement.
>>62838810>7.62 nato garand instead of .30-06
>>62838825Yes, there are several examples of .308 "tanker" garands floating out there. This is why the bayonet doesnt fit
>>62838825Yeah.
>>62838832>>62838835>tanker
Hey guys I’m going to a gun show for the first time tomorrow and figured this was the place to ask this questionI’m looking to buy at least one of the following guns (granted I can find them) all with the intent of shooting them every now and then along with the very occasional deer hunt and was wanting to know some fair prices that’d you be willing to buy them for but here they are1903A3 SpringfieldType 99 ArisakaSwiss K31M96 Swedish MauserSoviet or Finnish Mosin (idk the variants for these but I wanna try and get one)
>>62838852Ignore all the others. get the swede
>>62838837Yeah. >>62838852>1903A3 Springfield$800>Type 99 Arisaka$400, but depends a lot on details of condition, manufacturer etc. >Swiss K31$500>M96 Swedish Mauser$500 or less depending on condition, manufacturer etc.>Soviet or Finnish Mosin (idk the variants for these but I wanna try and get one)Price really depends on the actual model you're looking at. Not more than $300 for a common Soviet refurb M91/30, $400 for a Finnish-used M91/30, say $500 for a common Finnish-matching M91, and the less-common Finnish models are worth more.
>>62838864nta but i had a swede mauser once, made me shrug. i have a krag in 6.5 so maybe thats why
>>62838866So just haggle down to these and you got a solid deal I presume?>>62838869I forgot Krags exist in 6.5 How much do those go for?
>>62838885>So just haggle down to these and you got a solid deal I presume?Yes, I would consider those fair prices as long as the rifle is a common example in good matching condition. Do your research BEFORE you go to the gun show so you’ll know what you’re looking at in a specific example.
>>62838949Might bring a little light I use to check bores to see if they’re in good condition granted they let me bring it inGot any red flags to look for or just general things to keep an eye on?
>>62837477>Springfield Trapdoor for 600Is that a good price for one? I've been looking to get one
>>62838994all of those guns have different things you need to watch for (good and bad) so you should do your research. common sense things to avoid are nickel plated/spray painted milsurp or bubba'd slop. guns that have clearly been molested at some point or have significant amount of non-matching parts. If you are not allowed to hold the gun and properly check for functionality, do not buy it. Bring a couple zipties with you for courtesy as they will likely have to cut zipties off the gun to allow you to check for said functionality.Unless it comes in the original box or you REALLY know what you are doing, do not buy any ammo as you can easily get really fucked over with someone's shitty reloads
>>62838810Funnily, my cheap chink knockoff 1917 bayonet fits on both my original 30-06 Garand and my CMP rebarelled 308 Garand.
>>62833047>third pinis that yours? how much did you pay? Usually boomers hoard them as investments
Surplus FAMAS will hit the market at the end of 2025, with brand new lowers and barels, under the name SAMAF.
>>62839909>that yours?No, it belongs to anon in Italy and the auto sear is purely for aesthetics (the hammer, intermediate sear, et cetera have been modified to prevent select fire). His unit was likely an export/import
>>62838056Yeah, but where's the fucking fun in that? You wanna use the magazine on your repeater.
>>62838651I wish more modern rifles had grips like these on their stocks, I love how they feel.
>>62840334......you can also fully load the magazine without a clip too
>>62840340I like finger rests too.
>>62837811That fucking sucks. You’d think gun shipments would have way more oversight.
>>62832391They are fantastically rugged rifles with a great sight picture. I personally find the cock-on-close action nowhere near as smooth as a Mauser or Enfield but it's not bad. Ammo is a pain in the nuts to acquire. The bolt is incredibly easy to detail strip and clean within seconds but it IS possible to reassemble it incorrectly and get it stuck, in which case you gotta take the whole action out of the stock and do some fuckery. >look out forAny smoothhore training rifle, these usually don't have a chrysanthemum and are very scarce on any receiver markings at all and typically won't be serialized. The bolt, striker, and safety knobs will have a 3 digit number that should match the last 3 of the rifle's serial.Early Type 99s will have folding rear sight wings for aircraft and a hook for a monopod (bonus value if the monopod is intact). They were also issued with a sliding dust cover, and while not particularly rare it is nearly unheard of to find one numbered to its gun.Late Type 99s have a fixed rear sight, no monopod, crude machining marks, and often have a wooden buttplate. They are totally safe and functional and you will come across rifles with both early and late-war features (i.e. wood butt but with a monopod hook). These are authentic as the Japanese used whatever parts were still on hand.
How snug should a bayonet be? I finally got my M95 bayonet to lock on by getting at it with a mallet, but now it's actually more wobbly than it had been when I was just pushing it on and it wasn't locking
>>62841068as long as you can mount and remove it by hand and it actually locks into place
K98bnzgroups so nicekicks so hardoh why
>>62841127>oy veyFTFY
>>62841127What other guns have you been shooting where a k98 is kicking hard?
>>62835117have one now
Why are Yugo capture K98s priced much lower than regular "German" ones? Is it just because they don't have the windmill of friendship?
>>62841513why put German in quotesthe Yugo K98s look a bit different from the German ones (top heat shield thing barrel length etc) just like the czech and whatever else onesGerman ones will always be most expensive because they are the "authentic" K98 and they look distinct from other countrys models
>>62841551>>62841513i just realized you are asking about Yugo CAPTURED German K98s not Yugo produced K98swhoopsi didnt even know the Yugos refurbished k98sif i had to guess why they are cheaper its probably because the bluing was redone and maybe the stocks were refinished things like that
>>62841349Sky too blue, trees too green, mountains too majestic, Garand not dogshit enough. 2/10. >>62841513>Is it just because they don't have the windmill of friendship?And most of their other original manufacturer's markings removed and replaced with Yugo ones. Plus they've been stripped and re-built from recycled parts from a dozen different manufacturers and you usually don't get a rifle that operates as smoothly as one with factory-original fitted components, especially components originally fitted with German autism.
>>62841513>>62841562Because most of the German serials are scrubbed off and replaced. Still contains some of the original markings but the eagles on mine are gone + plus a yugo crest. Wonderful shooters if you just want a K98 and don't care so much about matching numbers etc.
>>62841594That is a sexy poker. How long is it?
>>62832391>Am I in for a good time if I pick one up?they werent even worth picking up 10 years ago
>>62837811You alerted the local ATF right? That's the one thing they're good for.
>>62837811I'm sorry for your loss, anon.
>>62837886>converting .30-40 Krag brass (somewhat dangerous)it is highly advised not to use 30-40 krag for 6mm Lee Navy reloads. There is at least one confirmed fatality because of them. A contributing factor in that incident was the boomer was using an unknown load of Unique powder as well, so also highly inadvisable..220 swift gets the job done with lots of work getting the bullet seating just right and can fire form if you want to. 25-06 is the best 1:1 candidate but it even harder to come by. Buffalo Arms will occasionally do a run of 6mm from 25-06 but its been maybe 2 years since they did it.
>>62841815It's the shipping FFL's responsibility to report the theft (the ATF doesn't take reports from individuals for some reason), but yeah he's gone and done that.>>62841938Thanks.
>>62842358>There is at least one confirmed fatality because of them.You CAN do it, and if you absolutely must, I would insist to discard that brass afterwards, FIRING EACH CASING ONLY ONCE EVER. I believe that he had loaded and fired that same brass once before too, and that it had already weakened from that already.Overall, the margins with converting .30-40 Krag brass for a Lee Navy are thin enough that I would advise against it.>>62840359I assumed the magazine wouldn't behave without the clips, which is one of the reasons I never got one.
>>62837477Trapdoor brother.
Grandfather, father, and son. Too bad Springfields, P17s and Krags are over priced to hell and back, or else I would have one for Great Grandfather. Also has anyone got those Serb M83 revolvers from Sweaty Bens? Tempted to get one.
>>62842428>I assumed the magazine wouldn't behave without the clips, which is one of the reasons I never got one.Well. generally it works well enough. The magazine and extractor is all kinds of fuckey so even loading with a single rounds without a clip, there can be issues. I posted pic related in the previous thread on this very topic..220 swift wont fit in clips so your loading them in without a clip regardless.>>62842358>25-06 is the best 1:1only after heavy modification to the brass. 220 is the best out of the box with minimal case work. That buffalo arms stuff is the pinnacle of what can be achieved with 25-06.
>>62842552forgot pic because I am retard
another weekend, another series of auctions i get outbid onit's all so tiresome. I thought the market was supposed to be slowing down
>>62837477>stock has been sanded for $600ouch>>62838367retard should read a book first
>>62837886>you can make 7.7mm Arisaka brass by converting .30-06 Springfield or 7.92mm Mauser brass.Why would you do that when new brass is readily available online at reasonable prices? It will even have some variation on "7.7 JAP" stamped on the head so you don't have to worry about keeping your 30-06/7.7 brass separate from your actual 30-06 brass. Maybe it made sense in the 90s when you couldn't just dial up to your local ISP and have fresh Serbian/Swedish brass delivered to your door but the future is now and has been for almost 20 years, boomer.
>>62842668It's cheaper if you have old brass already.
>>62842552I've got small stockpile of .240 Weatherby to convert. Not sure how much longer it will be made now.
>>62842668at a dollar a piece you might as well just buy new production ammo. you would probably break even compared to the cost of brass plus components, or at least get close enough to breaking even that it's not worth the time spent.
Got a M39 from a pawnshop, stocks been sanded and refinished unfortunately
>>62842826Hey man, at least it's not a terrible refinish
>>62842694But then you don't have 30-06 or 8mm brass. Which isn't meaningfully cheaper than new production 7.7 brass.
>>62842826it looks tasteful, ill allow it.
>>62830082This is possibly my favorite of my fair size collection
>>62842826Speaking as a man who learned about milsurp when refinishing was still okay, this is a nice job. The essence of the rifle is still there. If resale value doesn't mean much to you, don't feel bad at all
>>62843238I didn't say to convert all you had. I once scored a bunch of Turkish 7.92mm Mauser surplus, almost 2000rds of it, I could get all the guy had for a 10/22 because that's dogshit ammo which you shouldn't shoot. BUT, if you're willing to pull the bullets, dump the bad powder, and load them with fresh powder, you get some alright plinking ammo.Then you can reload it a few times with nicer primers and bullets, or convert some of it to 7.7mm Arisaka.
>>62843440He has a very nice shooter if it's a good condition refinished M39. That has a fun value.
>>62843449Turk surplus has boxer primers?
>>62843526No. I just do this shit while listening to podcasts or news or stuff. I have not yet gone through all of it.
>>62843526You can deprime Berdan brass relatively quick and easy with the hydraulic method, then you can convert it into Boxer primed.The conversion is the tedious part, but you only need to do it once.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkKJfvMyuDg
is this faggot right? Will i not blow up my shaved webley shooting factory 45 autorim?
>>62843572Oh yeah, and you don't need to use copper tubing either, you can cut pieces off of spent .22LR casings and those tend to fit.>>62843574The Redditor is full of shit, .45 Auto is harsh on Webley revolvers, and you can't really cleanly convert from CUP to PSI, because CUP is a not quite so precise secondary measurement. You simply have to measure again in PSI, that's the only way.It's not so much "the British proof system" as much as CUP was the only way to get an idea of pressure way back in the day (a testing rifle had a piston for crushing a slug of copper alloy and you measure how much it expanded in width). This would eventually be gradually replaced with piezoelectric pressure gauges which are just far more precise and direct..45 Auto isn't gonna wreck a Webley immediately, but you're essentially shooting proof loads, it's gonna take its toll eventually, putting a lot of wear on the barrel and cylinder. I would advise to just use .45 Auto cases for proper handloading, optionally .45 Auto Rim casings.
You have 20k USD to use on whatever you want right now!What do you get?
>>62843788maybe put it towards a house
>>62843788A transferable Sten, which I then spend a bit of money on improving (better magazines, a not-shit grip and stock, nicer sights), then I save the rest for something else. A rainy day fund.
>>62843629>It's not so much "the British proof system" as much as CUP was the only way to get an idea of pressure way back in the day (a testing rifle had a piston for crushing a slug of copper alloy and you measure how much it expanded in width). This would eventually be gradually replaced with piezoelectric pressure gauges which are just far more precise and direct.nah he's actually right tho
>>62843872
>>62843455I wouldn't be surprised if the previous owned fucked up the shims, though, so it'll probably take some tuning.
i have a potentially retarded question. what specifically distinguishes a blank-firing rifle from a standard one?specifically i mean one of these: https://www.nramuseum.org/guns/the-galleries/wwii,-korea,-vietnam-and-beyond-1940-to-present/case-37-wwii-the-axis,-germany-italy/brescia-fascist-youth-bolt-action-carbine.aspxi have a chance to buy one cheap, it could be a fun way to teach my future progeny the basics of plinking, however it would have more utility if you could also stick live rounds in there, but what prevents that from working? too high pressure blowing up the mechanism?
>>62841153shooty shootyno2mkiv irish contact groups so niceoh jaybut .303 brittyhas a priceoh vey!
>>62841161a 1892 winchester system levergatlight and 16" bore.44 magnum out of that kicks worse than a lebel 1894 carbine or the ebin steyr m95 in 8x56r.that little shit to the left aint no shabby kicker either
>>62844811Those things aren't chambered in 6.5 Carcano with regular Carcano clips, they use their own special proprietary blank cartridges in special proprietary clips. And if you somehow managed to find or create a live round that will actually chamber in it, yes, it'd almost definitely be destroyed if you fired it. The idea of buying a miniature Carcano for "utility" is hilarious. Just get an actual .22 trainer.
>>62844734Takes me back to 2007 when I free floated my K31 barrel. I've since fixed it, but it's weird to think of it having been totally normal to try hot-rodding milsurp.Stock had to be redone after trying to remove a weird stain on the stock I thought was my fault, the old school shellac dissolved
Heres the new pickups K31M1/1903 bayonetType 99 Arisaka and a Bayonet
>>62836366Did you get a mosin that was already in that configuration or did you do it yourself? If the former, are all the markings matching+correct manufacturer?
>>62830082>PresentPosts a rifle that was first issued in that configuration in 1967.
>>62846223So old that the Colt R6000's are all eligible for transfer under a Curios & Relics license
>>62832976I would honestly say given what parts kits are going for now I would just get an H&R clone from PSA fren. If I understand it correctly PSA bought the H&R name and also Nodak Spud (the company behind who was making Brownell's Retro series). Some models even have the correct 1:12 twist rates.Given it is PSA still assembling them, I would still look over everything to make sure it is gtg when you first get it though.https://palmettostatearmory.com/brands/h-r-arms-co/firearms.html?caliber_multi_v2=5.56x45mm
>>62840313Given its in Euroville it is probably a 9 million serial/series rifle. That serial block range was set aside for export contracts, and as you said, it had the fun bits removed either in Pastaland or before import.
>>62846223I have a blowback 9mm AR, but I want to build it up as a colt 9mm smg clone. What is the best way to go about converting it to DI instead of blowback? I can't seem to find any good kits online. I want the FSP and everything.
>>62842532>Also has anyone got those Serb M83 revolvers from Sweaty Bens? Tempted to get one.Ignore their claims of them being police guns. They were just civilian guns that all had to be surrendered when laws changed there. They are good but apparently the triggers are kinda heavy on them. Also you cannot change the internals at all since they are not clones of anything. But they are right at that 'why the hell not' price range.
>>62846295Why would you convert it to DI? Its not really needed.
>>62846281And the magazine's probably pinned to limit the capacity ;(
>>62846317Because I want the FSP. You need a barrel made for an FSP to mount it, and those only come with a gas hole.
>>62842826get rid of the gloss and it will look original again
>reorganize my shit, specifically drawers so they are less clutteredI've encountered some of the dumbest problems one can possibly have from this. Too many bayonets and clips, and not enough storage to properly organize them.
>>62840074Weren't all FAMASes sent to France's African colonies? How are they gonna get into the US?
>>62846369I throw all my bayonets in my safe on the top shelf.clips/loaders are in a hardware shelf thing meant for screws and nails n shit by my reloading/cleaning bench
>>62846590i have my bayonets in a pile. i wish i had a decent way to organize them
>>62846628They are mostly piled up in the safe. A few of the ones that are more fragile like the leather scabbard of my Martini Henry bayonet are hanging in the pistol sleeves in the door
>>62846335>another sunday morning>another day of waking up to being outbid in the last 5 minutesWhat's even the point of auctions anymore.Where should i go now that proxibid is as boomerfied as gunbroker?
>>62847457since when has proxijew ever been better than gunbroker? you do realize that proxibid is all live in person auctions so all the action/bidding takes place in the last 5 minutes of the auction purposely by design right?
>>62847660>since when has proxijew ever been better than gunbroker?Pre-covid you could get deals on proxibid/hibid since there were lazy auctioneers who would mis-describe thingsNow theyre both full of zoomers who think the bid price = sale price, overbid, then end up complaining about shipping and fees. So much that i routinely see things sell much lower on gunbroker than auction websites
>>62847457>boomerfied as gunbrokerSearch for the guns you want using typos on gunbroker. I got a Spanish Mauser for 150 because it was being sold as "SPAINISH MAUSER"
FUCK
>>62847937>>62847903are boomers really this retarded
>>62847968Yes
>>62847903Fuck you for spreading the secret technique>Unknown also works.
>>62848339there is too many pages of absolute nonsense with unknown though. I commend you if you actually found something with that
>>62846738is your martini henry bayonet one of them swords
>>62848748Unfortunately no not as cool as that. Just a regular ole spike bayonet
There's a nice Type 2 Arisaka coming up for sale next month near me, what's a fair price for one these days? I'd like to get it to pair with my other Nagoya 99s.
for firearms that use stripper clips, what is the best way to carry extra clips around on you? Is it better to use reproduction or surplus ammo pouches that would have went with the rifle at the time or is there a more universal modern solution that is readily available?
>>62849247it can be a $2000 rifle or a $5000+ rifle depending on condition. along with the sniper variation that's by far the most desirable one out there.
>>62845816Guns are for shooting and enjoying, if the gun is beat up and rough and shit, then I don't see any problem with refinishing it.>>62846295>>62846335The Colt SMG was always a closed-bolt blowback gun, barring some open-bolt attempts in the prototyping stage. You would be doing it wrong in more ways than one to try to make it gas operated, and it sounds to me like you're not looking hard enough if you can't find a 9mm barrel which take a normal FSB.
>>62849251At the range? I just stuff em in my pockets after I load the rounds. When loaded either in my range bag or a breast pocket if innawoods.No one is carrying around such a large amount of loaded clips you need to find a solution other than a typical range bag. Now for LARP/reanactment purposes then yes, period correct is the way to go. Most original clip pouches did not stand up to the test of time so there are lots of repros out there that do fine
>>62849251For innawoods/LARP type shit, I'd say use reproduction pouches. At the range, I just bring a box or two of bullets and some clips in a grocery bag, and it works just fine
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>>62849412Does anybody know what this number means?
>>62849418Rack number.
>>62849421Oh thanks is that a cool thing?
>>62849271>it can be a $2000 rifle or a $5000+ rifle depending on condition. along with the sniper variation that's by far the most desirable one out there.I didn't realize that they could be that expensive. I knew they were in the $2k-$3k range but didn't know they could go past that. I believe the rifle was all matching from what I was told and it's in pretty nice shape. I guess I'll have to wait and see it in person before I consider it further.
Assuming no form 3 shenanigans because I'm not dealing with that crap, what's the dream milsurp you want that's stupid expensive?
>>62849425not really. Pretty common amongst lots of rifles. Congrats on what im assuming is your Garand. great gun
>>62849446Complete shitpost purchase for me would be a truck towed 40mm Bofors
>>62849446M240
>>62849446the most expensive civil war pistol being sold at a premium RIAC auction which I will then proceed to livestream melting it down along with any provenance documents.
>>62849446Either an original FG42 or a StG44/MKb42(H).
>>62849446>what's the dream milsurp you want that's stupid expensive?One of the Maxim-suppressed M1903s purchased by the US Army prior to WW1. They may have actually seen combat use in WW1: records place about 150 of them at a Ordnance forward depot near the front but there are no definitive accounts of their actual field use in combat.
>>62846281yup, 9mil range. Most likely some SEA country the armory I got it from said worst korea but I don't have any proofs. >demillYeah it was removed here in loco by either Nuova Jager or some small shop for the importer. some people at my range just bought FA internals from Germany and replaced them but I doubt that's legal.>>62846333The original colt mag it came with was atrociously lasercut, welded and pinned with an internal aluminium block to 5 rounds. I've since took the og floorplate and put it onto some brownells 20 rounders. 30 rounders on an A1 look ugly imho.
>>62851505Buontard, Italybro>bought FA internals from Germany and replaced them>took the og floorplate and put it onto some brownells 20 roundersBased!
>>62851669>bought FA internals from Germany and replaced themnonono, I'm a good citizen. I would never do that.
>>62852136Neither would I
>>62846194It was re-arsenalled, non # matching nugget that I hade a PU style scope mount and bent bolt handle put on.
>>62848748I did not know these existed
>>62852256have you messed with different buffer weights under fa
>>62836366went to a gun shop to pick up a ffl order , saw some rifles and shotguns they had for sale, old shit and such and i noticed they had a nuggetThey were selling it for 700fuck this gay ass world
>>62837811you should go to your local hood and do break in in order to find your M1, and kill them all
>>62854295Yep, what I've learned is:H2 for SOCOM/heavier profile barrelsH1 for GOVT/lighter profile barrels
>>62854413That would be a kickass movie, a collector using his milsurp to kill a bunch of gangbangers who stole his shit. Maybe not a full movie, but a short film
any good place to pick up milsurp bayonets? gunbroker and ebay seem pretty brutal with their prices. are pawnshops worth a shot?
>>62854972ehh, bayonets are a mixed bag. The majority of pawn shops if they do have bayonets will be mostly American bayonets and shitty chinese knockoffs. Itll entirely depend on what the primary source of business the shop focuses on. Same usually for guns too.Aside from the bayonet tables at gunshows and based milsurp gunstores, the only other occasional hit are surplus stores that might have a knife/bayonet section. You can find some random odd things there that either are way underprice cause they dont know they got. Or they pull the classic "look up the highest price on gunbroker and charge that" move.
>>62854399Gun store I frequent has m44s for $600+ and 91/30s for $450
>>62837811I hate niggers so much it’s unreal. They should all be thrown into the ocean or a volcano. There is not a single good darkie. Your gun was either immediately sold to a pawn shop or it was cut down into some monkey lipped imitation of a draco. I’m sorry anon. Nigger ape baboons prevent humans from enjoying a high trust society.
>>62835117I'm sorry for being late, but I have a picture of my Garand sir.
>>62855444Checked. Nice M1, Anon.
>>62847937whats the problem with it?price?
>>62854972For obscure shit, I think it's best to go to eBay because the likelihood of you actually finding it at any store is pretty unlikely. If I find one at a good starting bid, I just bid the minimum since no one else is probably looking for it and see if I get it. That's how I got my swedish Mauser bayonet for $40.As for more sought after items, try non-commercial used army-navy stores. It's better to inspect something like a K98k bayonet in person so you can be sure it's what you're looking for.
>>62854972>>62856584ebay has a weird policy that sometimes doesnt allow the word "bayonet" in the listing title so sometimes a seller will just throw up a vague listing so you have to be equally vague in your search to potentially find it. i obtained an fn49 bayonet for 40 bucks because the listing was just named "fn49" and nothing else.
>>62849446As much as I want a Mondragon Semi Auto, or a minty STGW57 for the good of the world I would have to say the G11 with at least 1000 rounds of ammunition just so I can have every single part scanned and modeled online and try and have the ammunition sent for diagnostics so hopefully it could be replicated. IIRC one of those NGSW prototypes did caseless ammo? Either way I just want one because I am a turbo autist who loves overly complicated engineering to watch the gears and levers work. The sound a Schmidt Rubin-action rifle makes when you moderately work the bolt gets me aroused.
i bit the bullet on the PTR assembled portugese contract kit CA-3, bought some bulk .308 but I've heard these always need to be run in for a couple hundred rounds if they're new/retooled. I bought it to go with my USP40 and I plan on getting a zenith ZF-5 next month too and SBR/pistol bracing it. i love hk platforms so much its unreal bros.
>>62857180usp40 is arguably the best usp and the best .40sw gunpeople will say the usp45 is better but those are just mark 23 cope
>>62857480Depends on what you want out of a .45, do you just want a .45? Then yeah, the USP45 is a good one, but do you want a GIGA .45 which you're gonna run .45 Super in, maybe even convert to .460 Rowland if there's a kit for that yet? Then the Mk.23 is particularly well suited for that, the fucker is a beast, and well recommended.But, if you're gonna run normal .45, the Mk.23 isn't really worth it, it's bulky for its size, the FNX45 is smaller and lighter, and it holds more rounds.
>>62840074Ah, content de voir que je ne suis pas le seul autiste ici. They will never enter the US market tho.
>>62856665>>62856584good ideas, I'll have to check them out
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>>62849446I've always wanted an MG42. Many years ago a gun site I frequented had not 1 but 2, Canada legal MG42s, for $5000 each.Alas, not something I could afford when I was 19
>>62859550i saw one of those for sale last year, $18,000 CAD. i was tempted to buy it but any documentation on them were non existent unlike the TNW mg34 or even the m1919a4 so it was way too much of a gamble for something that could end up as a paperweight if something broke.
>>62859931Damn, gun prices have gone up over the past few years, but that's an insane jump in price
>>62859931>canadacanada is a lost cause
Bros... my gasser revolver chambers 38 special perfectly. What do?
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>>62849446Probably one of the wacky looking Jap SMGs, though I'm pretty sure none of them exist in the US outside of the ATF's armory.
>>62860523What the fuck was Japan smoking when they made that thing? It looks like a weeb version of those insane Koroborov(?) designs Russia had.
>>62859931You made the right move. MG42s are notorious for fucking up if not built well. Mine (>>62849446) is smooth as glass and never has issues, but that's because I was absolutely autistic about checking the build every step of the way. There was an anon here who had one built by some guy who basically slapped it together as a complete turd.
>>62861301Funny thing is that they were designed by the brilliant Kijiro Nanbu yet they're the goofiest looking things.
Took the M1903A4 out on Halloween and shot a nazi pumpkin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxLtN14KsJI
>>62861316yeah i already had obtained a hand picked tnw mg34 that was one of their newer ones with a 10 pound trigger pull instead of the typical 20 pound pull and it runs well
>>62863122excellent work goyim. the international banking system thanks you for your service.
>>62863516I'm looking for one of those myself, but they're rather scarce in the states.
>>62863056>>62861301>>62860523>ywn go to your local gunshop and pick out a brand new beautifully quirky hand crafted Nagoya or Kokura firearm because the Japanese weapons industry wasn't dismantled after ww2 ITS NOT FAIR WE HAVE TO GO BACK
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I was messing around with my K31 and the bolt flipped to the fire position while I was reinserting it.It is now seized up and I am unable to remove it.Help.Yes you can make fun of me.
>>62864928Dont worry anon this happened to me when I got mineJust move the safety ring in-between safe and fire then rotate the bolt till you get it to fit back in
>>62865065No dice, have it in the disassembly position and fucker will not budge, in the pic the guide rod is over the actual receiver.It can rotate enough without bumping?
>>62865326https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auZYCQtSdRoIf what I think is happening is happening This video helped me when I couldn't align ityou're gonna have to take the bolt out of the gu, put the safety halfway and then manually twist the bolt for the op rod to sit in properly then after that it should align but if you mean that the bolt is literally stuck on the gun like that than I'm not to sure what to do
>>62864534They still make funky guns, they just don't seem very interested in exporting anything but bubba's rifle and double barrel.
>>62865326you have to pull it out of the gun somehow, maybe with a rubber mallet. the bolt sleeve inside is whats rotating under spring pressure and jamming it stuck
>>62832391Big-ass-huge-ass-brain move is to get a Type 38 and convert it to 6.5 Creedmoor for ammo availability
>>62866320How does one do this?I presume just find a type 38 with decent wood condition and rebarrel it?
Huge repository of gun books for the surp bros.https://mega.nz/folder/80QWnLQI#fNzsfCrgTTDjuGXE5iZnKQ
>>62865788they are constitutionally prohibited from exporting anything military related including parts
>>62867369That's probably the safest way. I sat down one time and went over the dimensions, I'm pretty sure you could technically re-bore it for 6.5 creed, but it'd be a bit sketchy and probably more expensive. If it were me, either way I'd want to keep the milsurp aesthetic& literally only change the caliber
>>62868813The traditional way was to put a 6.5mm pilot on a 257 Roberts reamer. This created the 6.5-257 Roberts chamber. Can still order dies for this.
>>62866320The probably won't fit the barrel, you might want to cut it down a bit just in case. While you're at it, a scope might come in handy, there is plenty of space on that receiver...
>>62868677some guy from japan paid top dollar for an AI branded AICS magazine from me, he must have been some kind of badass. i didnt ask any questions
>>62868950it was likely for cosplay unironically. there are groups in japan with an almost cult like obsession with creating detailed props and highly accurate models of guns. there is a large demand for items that can be used in military costumes especially for anime cosplay. that kind of magazine is pretty unassuming too for passing through customs. They cant legally import these items from retailers so they turn to the second hand market
>>62868813>If it were me, either way I'd want to keep the milsurp aestheticAgreed although I'd probably only do this on a gun that's barrel was beyond saving and didn't want to wall hang
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>>62869481how many times do I have to tell these memedmoor dorks that Japan did the science already, 6.5 is for maiming while 7.7 is for getting the job done on the first try. Do they really expect me to believe that they can do math better than a Japanese person? Imagine if they took their fancy little calculations and coefficients and applied it to a REAL caliber.
What's the going rate for a run of the mill Chinese/soviet SKS these days? I started buying from a gun dealer who specializes in milsurp and he told me to set a budget before he looks for one.
>>62869894You remind me of Jeff Cooper crying about 7.62x39mm being underpowered.
>>62869929Most average prices I'm seeing in Canada lately are $450-$600 for a Chinese Type 56, Russian ones are around $700.I've also seen a few sites with Type 56 "Honor Guard" versions, that have a bunch of chromed parts, but they're $820-$850, I'm mighty tempted to get one, since I sadly sold my Russian SKS while they were still $200
>>62869894prior to ww2 japan and italy were trying to get the hell away from 6.5mm because it sucks so bad but here today with our modern military adopting 6.5i guess snipers can use it effectively, but nobody else in the squad really which is logistically unfeasible
>>62869929i would go for an sks-d because detachable ak magazines is a very formidable jump in firepower compared to a standard stripper clip fixed mag
>>62871042Bullet design is a big aspect, Italy in particular stuck with old heavy round ball, but there's that whole part about also wanting ammo commonality with machineguns at the time, and then wanting just a hotter and heavier load for those as a baseline.Nobody seems to ever complain about 6.5mm Swedish, for what it's worth.The modern chasing of 6mm calibers, at least for infantry rifle roles, I think is kind of misplaced and unnecessary. For target shooting and hunting though, I am all for it.
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>>62871165Sneedmoor was designed for long range target shooting and hunting, which is what it's good for. I have never agreed with anyone suggesting it replace 7.62mm NATO, I think that the dichotomy of 7.62mm NATO for GPMGs and DMRs, with 5.56mm NATO for rifles, carbines, and the odd SAW (belt-fed), is actually just about ideal.
>>62849446>Either an original FG42 or a StG44/MKb42(H).What he says, but also I'd like a pristine Gewehr 98 or Mannlicher M95 Gewehr.
>>62871337>What he saysmeant him >>62849554
>>62871337>L1A1BD44Is that yours? If so, how do you like it? Been thinking about saving up for one once I move out of my shithole state and the StG44 has always been a dream rifle of mine.
>>62871337i always wanted a bd44 but i heard they dont run well and now i just cope with a gsg one
>>62871337A Gew98 has always been one of my dream rifles, but they seem to be very uncommon in Canada and are usually not in good shape, while costing as much as an M1 Garand, $2500 or more.I'd rather have a Garand in that case
>>62830082dang i need an actual, non-repro m1 garand bayonet
>>62871584>>62871850They run as good as the original. You won't find a more exact copy, but as far as I know there are slight differences so the mags won't fit original rifles. Original mags should fit the replica though.It is my dream rifle, all the details teach you how they inspired the AR (check the dust cover in pic related) and AK platforms in different unexpected ways.>>62871886That's expensive, but Gewehr 98 in good condition are getting rare here too. There has been a batch of refurbished Mauser anniversary rifles, they are as mint as replicas, but unobtainium.
>>62873227i did end up getting a bd42e that runs well, mostly because 8mm mauser is way easier for me to get than 8mm kurz
>>62873268>bd42eMan...
>>62873293yeah its quite remarkablean stg44 i was on the fence with but this thing i could not possibly walk away from
>>62873303It's beautiful, anon.
>>62873303>>62873293>>62873268You have no fucking idea how envious I am.
>>62873293Did they even get someone to make modern lenses for a repro scope? German autism knows no bounds.
>>62874531there are reproduction zf4 that fit these
>>62832676>>Rock Island Auction>While they do get good stuff and some real rarities, their prices are almost always way more than what any reasonable person should pay for common surp. The people with more money than brains seem to bid there.If you want a deal RIA isn't a good place. If you want something rare RIA is pretty much the be-all end-all. I window shop their catalogues all the time just because I know I'm going to see something cool.
>>62875425RIA is strictly for "I don't care what price I'm paying because I'm taking it to my grave." It's for when you need something that's either stupid rare or in absolute mint condition.
>>62830082Any of y'all know what this is worth?1942 BCD/AR Kar98, three peened Waffenampts, non matching parts, imported by century. Clean bore.
>>62877017I dunno maybe $700-9 it depends on your local market and if its a capture based on the chickens being peened. This something your selling on being sold and your checking on if they are over/under?
>>62877153I think it's a capture, and i traded two beat up SKSs for it, so I was just wondering what id maybe get away with trading it for.
>>62877244ehhh, I dont think its worth 2 beat up SKSs in today prices. But yea, if you are thinking of trade in/selling it now I would say you could get $800 for it as a mix master capture.
>>62877017that has a vz24 sight protector which is incorrect for that gun
>>62877535Ah, welp not the win id went into but at least im still up considering how i got the SKSs lol. I'll see if I can horse trade it to some tard or ill try it using it for deer this winter. >>62877620And damn, good catch. Idk shit about Mausers and the two people I sent pics to didnt notice that either.
>>62877153i dont know about your market but that wear on the metal is pretty bad, im sure the bore is no better
>>62877919I'll get pics. Bore is in surprisingly good shape.
>>62877919I still think i fucked up a lil lol. Not my worst trade and im still up, but definitely shouldve held out for something else.
>>62877697>>62877924>>62877927yea you did......ok. would be the best word to describe it.You fell into the oldest trick in the book which is you didnt do enough mauser research before going into the deal. Mausers are so varied and detailed in so many ways that you can go into something because you see the silly wheel and chickens of peace only to find out its nothing of any note.best shot at this point is do the same to another anon and have them pay a reasonable price for it but dont misrepresent it cause youll get nothing from the true knowers
>>62878024Thanks, that's definitely well put and it was a big fuck up on my part for not doing more research, id gotten lucky on previous trades and went in with a degree of naivety.
I forgot, I should post this. Found a Vetterli M81 at a recent gun show, and I'm not going to lie, I really wanted it just because the carbine version is in Hunt: Showdown and I like it. I was expecting it to have Unobtanium ammo, but so does my Schmidt Ruben 1889 so I wasn't too concerned, but the old fellow selling it actually had a box of ammo with 13 rounds left. He said he actually fired a couple rounds, but the ammo is from the 30s or very early 40s.
When I was looking up the ammo, the only time I could find a hint of some being for sale was an old auction where a full box of 20 went for $178US. It's funny seeing these, being stumpy little things with a big bullet, I'm used to 7.62x54r, 8mm mauser and 7.5x55 Swiss
I'm buying a garand from the CMP. Should I get a field grade or expert grade?The price difference is nbd, but I also don't like needlessly spending money.
>>62878271>>62848748>>62837477>>62836396>>62833468>>62832676>>62878291By fat the nicest gun in the thread
>>62878322Expert Grades are nice but you have to oil the stock since it comes bare. I'd go with Field Grade but be aware that it may come in pretty rough shape and need a good cleaning.
>>62878271Good old Vetterli, there's something really cool about these early military cartridge repeaters with tube magazines and fat blackpowder rounds. The Kropatschek is another one like that.I'm imagining that it's most likely a centerfire gun, as many were converted over the years, and these things were fairly popular in the US as cheap bear guns for a time (long ago now). New ammunition is available, but it's not going to be economic because you're easily paying in excess of $100 before shipping for a box of twenty, so you would absolutely want to reload them if you wanted to shoot more.You can make .41 Swiss by converting 8mm Lebel cartridge casings, be mindful of the total cartridge length because the rifle will be cranky if they're too long or too short.
>>62878271i wanted to centerfire convert one but lost interest and got rid of it. then i got one of those carcano conversions and i was afraid it was going to asplode so i got rid of it also
>>62879156It is still rimfire. I didn't even know people were converting them to center fire until after I bought the rifle and was looking up some info on it.I don't reload ammo myself, so I'm not going to bother converting it to centerfire.I have more surplus rifles but I'm more of a collector than a shooter, so I'd rather it be original
Does anyone recognize the optic? It was found in an attic and is being sold on our version of gunbroker
>>62878322Field grade. All the field grades and 1 that a friend of mine ordered a few years back were all pretty good. I got really lucky and one of them had a 16,xxx serial number. No cleaning required. All functioned like they should. Worst bore I had was a 3 ME and 4 TE, best was a 0 ME 1 TE. My friends was a 2 ME 5 TE. All of them shot and grouped just fine. >tfw don’t even have a pic of the 2 I kept.
>>62879612Lucky bastard, too bad he got caught
>>62879612theres another image of the spread somewhere. Looked like a whole lot of K98s some Arisaka's, lugers and other random pistols.
>>62879612literally me
>>62879387Looks like an artillery sighting device. Any pictures of the markings?
>>62879387it looks like a launcher optic, like off a carl gustaf.what country might help narrow it down.
>>62879612https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u28C3dF3Kc
>>62879301If the gun came with 13 cartridges of actual .41 Swiss rimfire, consider maybe if you want to actually shoot that or not, as they might be worth something.Reloading rimfire ammunition is TECHNICALLY doable, but a huge fucking pain in the ass to actually do, so consider that ammunition almost irreplaceable. Perhaps you could come across a converted one for not too much some day, that way you could at least hope to buy some ammunition on occasion, even if it would be expensive.
>>62879943All 13 left are indeed .41, I will not be shooting them, possibly might try to shoot 1 sometime, but I'm not too interested in shooting ammo that is 80-90 years old. The old guy I bought it from said he fired 2 rounds, but that could have been a very long time ago.I doubt I will ever come across another Vetterli, let alone one that's been converted to centerfire. Being Canadian, this is the first one I've ever seen, and I can't recall seeing them on any of the gun sights I've frequented in the last 13 years
>>62873227>They run as good as the original. You won't find a more exact copy, but as far as I know there are slight differences so the mags won't fit original rifles. Original mags should fit the replica though.It is my dream rifle, all the details teach you how they inspired the AR (check the dust cover in pic related) and AK platforms in different unexpected ways.That's good to know. Definitely will be saving up for one then, as well as stocking up on 8x33 ammo when I move out.>>62873268>>62873303You are one lucky SOB, you know that right?
>>62880091theres a smith repro on gunbroker right now for 15k, yolo
>>62880091>You are one lucky SOB, you know that right?Are they really that unreliable?
>>62881053are you asking about the fg42 or the stg44
>>62881065He says he got a bd42e that runs well and the other guy says he's lucky.
>>62881079well its a repro of an already questionable design so there might be some hiccups
>>62878392based surp enjoyer
>>62880931>theres a smith repro on gunbroker right now for 15k, yoloEven if I had the money, I'd have to either have it shipped to a based FFL out of state or drive to pick it up myself as AWB would prevent it from being shipped here. Still definitely hope to get one in the future though.
>>62882305i do prefer the type 1 more... one pound lighter and can take stripper clips. angled grip is a vibe and not a problem to use at all when you realize you have to cup your hand over as if you were holding a kar98k
>>62882612The Type 1 is definitely the sexier rifle of the two but the Type 2 seems just a bit more comfortable and more durable. I love both though and hope to at least get one of them.
>>62880931>Burgers STILL can't produce FG-42 replicas while the Germans can do thisGrim
>>62885769Does the Smith Machine FG42 not suit your tastes?
>>62885769We reproduce guns that won world wars.
Also happy birthday to this old girl.
>>62886195Yeah no, fucking 1911's did not win wars, let alone World Wars
>>62886585Sounds like caliberlet talk.
>>62886585ok then what very specific semi automatic pistol DID win both World Wars?
>>62887033the browning hi power is the best handgun of ww2, used by both sides
>>62886062Nah, it looks to be very well made, they just can't make them in any quantity.
>>62887140you're not wrong but it definitely didn't win the war, no pistol did.If I had to pick a pistol that won dubya dubya too it would be the nambu
>>62887033Luger
I’m about to not buy a won auction on gunbroker, because I’m just not ok.What will happen next? Perma ban? This is the first time. Anyone did something similarly retarted and decided to not cough up payment?
>>62888012you absolute fucking donut
>>62888012your account gets flagged for non payment so, yea you do essentially get blacklisted.what did you win and not want?
>>62888138A gun that’s 100$ for a box of 20 rounds After seeing that I genuinely don’t see how I can enjoy the gun. I like history and all, but shooting my surp is important to me. I can still buy it, but I’d probably feel worse wasting money than having a harder time buying guns online in the future. I’ve heard conflicting things online, some people say your rating just will drop a bit, others you get banned from the site. Wondering if anyone is has done this here. I just see my dollar being much better spent elsewhere, I do feel like a cunt though lol.
>>62888153>A gun that’s 100$ for a box of 20 roundsWHICH $100 for 20 rounds surp, theres a bunch. I say go thru with it, get a $100 box and stretch those 20 rounds over a few years.and yes its mostly fudd lore about bans. You will absolutely get review bombed, you'll deserve it. But the seller can report you for non payment which will flag your account and future sellers will see it.buyers remorse is a bitch anon, take the L or flip it at the next gunshow
>>62888153Boomers HATE people with negative profile feedback. You are basically walking around GB with max infamy in a video game. its case by case on how this will actually effect you but there are scores of sellers that will never work with you after this. If you use GB a lot, spending the $100 is probably worth not having to deal with the fallout and getting your future bids cancelled by the boomer illuminati. You also get a straight up 90 day account suspension for non payment so make sure you think it through.
>>62888199I mean, you coulda done worse for ammo than 8x50r but still a tough one.Chalk it up to "Do your research" and read carefully before buying. Learn from your mistake and dont let it negatively impact you if you rely on GB for you surp purchases if your local area isnt a good source.
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