Post Gear, Discuss GearBREACHING edition for normies.Old: >>64125552
This edition brought to you by XOPYC - HORUS, best Serbian gear. Somebody asked about the most stylish vest? This you can wear to nightclub, riot, or soccer hooligan meetup
I coooonnnnssuuummmed and bought more stuff for my plate carrier.
>>64170191Is it true that Hop got kicked off of /gq/ for saying SIONYX was just as good?
>/gq/ infographics: https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6>Older / other infographics: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF
>>64170234Asterisk the ACH, everybody's got to make sure that theirs is not from Armorsource. 4403MC is a good rec. You should also asterisk RMA and refer people to the old "Why RMA is shit" infographic.
>>64170266Excellent points, thanks!>old why RMA is shit infographicThat's old now? It was updated in January! I suppose another one could model the Hesco / Tencate buyers guides and systematically explain why each RMA plate is bad. People are buying the XRT like crazy even though it's underbuilt and is 2mm or so from failing the RF1 test on BFD.
>>64170212Lol he'll be the last one to admit digital is as good as analog if / when digital catches up. Man's an analog diehard.
I'm going to reroute my comms cables when some updates for my pc arrive. The way it's set up now isn't really efficient, but that's because I was told it had to be spread out to avoid signal interference. If my handset and cable that routes to my antennae are close together, is that going to be a problem? It would be a lot more tidy the way I want to route it, but I don't know if it will cause issues.
>>64167531cool guide brah
>>64170516Yeah I liked it, her is the 1.0 of it
>>64170835Where does an NCR duster fall under this?
>>64170996I would say Militia-Core, it seem like it would fit with there description.
>>64170206What did you buy?>>64170463Depends on the HT and quality of the cable shielding.
>>64171072Probably not great cable shielding. It's all amazon shit.
>>64171082What's your HT and what power are you outputting?
>>64171098Baofeng AR-152, and probably less than the advertised 10 watts.
>>64171102That could be an issue. the AR-152 is basically a dressed up UV-5R with a super jumbo 12,000mAh battery. The UV-5R is known for spurious transmissions and poor shielding. You'd have to test to see if your specific setup will have issues, but the risks of interference are elevated versus better radios.Also, this is unrelated to your question, it's generally advised to run radios on the minimum power necessary to reach your intended target. This is both ham practice and also good comsec. Less chance of eavesdropping. Also reduces interference and battery drain.
>>64171129I have my radio set to low power, specifically because the only time I've ever used it was larping with my friends on our hikes. I have a couple of UV-5R's as well, mostly just to have them on hand in case I ever had to hand them out. They're all programed to the same channels, so I can just say "switch to X channel". I'll probably just end up rerouting my cables, because it'll look nicer, and if we're being honest, I'm not doing any actual operator shit with it anyways. I usually just run around the house in my pc, listening to the NOAA broadcasts.
>>64171139Excellent. I run a UV-25D myself, keep it on low most of the time, but have used the high 45W (VHF) setting on occasion.
>>64170266>https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWFAdded JOBBLOC (updated version) to the infographic reserve. Pic rel is the RMA sucks infographic in case people haven't seen it before.
>>64170191I see this is the breaching edition. Our good friends on aliexpress are now offering hydraulic rebar cutters in different sizes with different work effort and shearing capabilities. This shit is popular with bike thieves because it can cut padlocks and is more compact than equivalent full size boltcutters. Could be applicable to BREACHING larp for normies.
>>64171422Ever since I got one I have been having fun
>>64171437Based. How about an upgrade?https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805572729881.html
Totally out of left field. Looking to add a collapsible ladder to my larp kit. Are these any good?
Has anyone made a helmet tier list?Maybe like something that starts from a PFG milsurp steel helm that can MAYBE resist a few shots of 9mm or .45, to PASGT, ACH, ECH & then near the top stuff that can attach night vision, face shields or even that extra helmet armor to more reliably stop rifle rounds from the front
>>64171587Looks like the head of a penis. You wanna be a dick head?
>>64171587Yugo and Serbian helmets are known to stop anti-tank roundsSerbian Berets also have a Level VI rating, and trad serb hats kave a IIIA rating
>>64171601>Level VI*Level IV>>64171593Romanians: pioneering being dickheads
>>64171587No but that's a based infographic idea. A helmet buyers guide and an accessory guide would be real handy.There's a huge amount of bullshittery in helmets too, especially since the standard hasn't been updated since the 80s and there isn't even an official IIIA rating. Rifle ratings are even worse. Clearing that up would be good.Also, basically any helmet can be retrofitted with NV, rails, face shields. SLAAP rifle plates are trickier. I use a Ceradyne BA3A retrofitted with a clamp rail set. If I had to upgrade it would be a Highcom RCH.
>>64171587Are you implying PASGTs and ACHs can't take night vision?
>>64171616>He attaches his NODs to his helmetlmao, get with the tanker hat/outdated NODs gang
Been a while since I've posted a kit pic. I think I'm finally running out of soft armor to put on this thing. Any suggestions, anons?
>>64171616That could be a side grade or bonus.Idk if those bulletproof meme masks would be bonus or what
>>64171605You are now aware you can buy M855-rated helmet plates to protect your noggin.https://www.hardheadveterans.com/products/rifle-rated-ballistic-helmet-up-armor-defeats-7-62Curiously Adept won't sell the M855A1-rated plate they had for the Bastion years ago. Sadly that helmet is vaporware. Ceradyne many, many years ago (~2004) was working on boron carbide applique helmet plates to resist 7.62 steel-core AP but those either went nowhere or will never see the light of day. I think Zylon being an epic fail caused some waves with ceramic composites like that. A B-32 API / M80A1 frontal 4lb helmet would be tits though.
Is there any reason, besides cost, not to buy a FIBLE direct from the OEM (like Propper)? Is it just not worth the money to buy new compared to other non-issued packs?
>>64171616that setups not the greatest>t. what I'm currently using
>>64171633Skirt: https://jinwudun.com/products/nij-iiia-tactical-bulletproof-skirt-nylon-fabric-equipped-with-laser-cut-molle-system-pe-materialLimbs: https://jinwudun.com/products/jwd-bulletproof-arm-guard-american-standard-iiia-ga2-level-bulletproof-1000d-polyester-material-tactical-bulletproof-kitJust hit up Jinwu's website really. They're de facto the poorfag leaders of extremity armor. Also get a cheap ballistic shield off ebay.
>>64171656Nobody said it was but thanks
>>64171633>I think I'm finally running out of soft armor to put on this thing>just thatCoward>>64171642I feel the problem with a rifle rated helmet is that I feel like the hit from any rifle round (even when being padded) would be equivalent to a sucker punch right into your brain
>>64171465Huh I got the regular large one and have definitely cut rebar with it. It did take some time but I did?
>>64171666>satan's tripsThe problem here is that the NIJ helmet standard, 0106.01, has not been updated since the 80s, has no robust BFD measurement, no compliant product list, and no certification process. Ergo while some helmets will take the behind armor blunt trauma into account, others won't. Because BFD results aren't published for many helmets it's a crapshoot. I would be more confident with, say, a Highcom RCH over some opscore helmets. Really we need appliques to handle M855.I'd have to dig, but Tencate at some point, maybe 2005, applied LIBA to helmet appliques and came up with a Level IV solution that weighed something absurd. I think the helmet was 8-9lb? Full coverage M2AP.They were working on an 0106.02 in 2002 to fix the above issues but it died.
>>64171675The different models are rated for rebar diameter and cutting force. The largest dick pump looking one is 14 tons. The hand jacks cap out at 13.I'm curious if the seller has harder blades for sale. Aliexpress hidden links are notorious for being ultra based.
>>64171682I buy most of my shit mil-surp because1. cheap2. If it's good enough for the military it is probably fine for meAlso milsurp makes great camping/hunting stuff
>>64171691Now I want more
>>64171422I was ona busy task force in a ghetto blue city and we did multiple hits on old homes divided into apts and the projects and I used this small pry bar more than anything else I carried. Also I had the clip on mirror for my 26” ASP baton in my admin pouch and used it for peaks around corners and in attics, etc.
>>64171697Typical Radovan W.>>64171728Aliexpress / Alibaba sellers have a lot of seriously spicy and sometimes illegal stuff behind hidden links. Build a rapport with sellers and you can ask about their back catalogs. China will sell you anything for the right price.It's kinda like armor. LTC for example won't sell you high-end plates designed later than about 2014. Their secret stuff is 1-2 gens beyond what's offered to the public. Lot of weird shit too. You need to gain their trust, via credentials (China don't give a shit who you are, they just want money and five star reviews).>>64171733Got any horror stories? I like the mirror idea a lot. Tardigrade, the guys that make the 5.1lb .223-rated steel face mask from last thread, makes a picatinny mirror you put on your gun, but IMO the baton idea is a lot better.
>>64171819> .223-rated steel face maskI still believe that shit was subsonic or somehow gimped.It's officially only IIIA rated. At 5.1 pounds. lol> LTC for example won't sell you high-end plates designed later than about 2014. Their secret stuff is 1-2 gens beyond what's offered to the public.And yet the military's plates are nothing special. Kind of strange, isn't it?
This general really went to shit, huh? Somehow you guys managed to attract even more retarded people than that Italian noguns kid that bought used backpacks all day.
>>64172081>Officially only IIIAIt probably shatters when faced (hah) against M80, the Level III test threat.>LTC platesLong one, sorry. Depends by what you mean as special. The LTC 28534 (REV. J ESAPI) is significantly tougher than a Hesco 4801 provided it is run with IIIA for not much more weight, the LTC 28570 is nearly 1.5lb lighter than the RMA XRT for superior protection and literally 1.5lb lighter than the Highcom 3S9M for same rating, less multi-hit on M80. LTC 28791 beats the Hesco U210 up pretty badly. 0.4lb heavier but M80 defeat. Price-gouged to hell though. Funny thing, the only one there that isn't civ-purchasable from one of their dealers is the 28570. That one was made only a few years ago, and is one gen behind (SOCOM awarded GEN-6 around 2023). The 28791 is two gens behind. There's a GEN-5B and GEN-6 LTC TSA/LTO beyond what Apex is trying to pass off as current with the 28791. The 28534 technically one if we count VTP ESAPIs as successors to REV. J. The LTC 28601 XSAPI? Literally first made in 2009 and sold as the Diamondback Tactical XSP. I very much doubt the FBI, one of its end users, has been using the same XSAPI design for sixteen years. That one is probably three or four models behind.The point, really, is that LTC by consequence of a "nothing to civs that isn't way behind" rule has a large shadow roster of really nice plates. The GEN-5B TSA/LTO should be lighter than the VelSys PBZSA and match the U210 / U211 on weight, while the GEN-6 is likely lighter than 4lb and provides the same M80 / BZ / M855A1 defeat as prior LTCs. This would make it the best SRT-type plate anywhere.
It's looking pretty good
>>64172248> It probably shatters when faced (hah) against M80, the Level III test threat.Come on. It's not SRT rated, either. It's IIIA + subsonic .223 or some shit like that. If it were actually rated for .223 or 7.62x39mm, they'd say so, or they're too retarded to live.> Long one, sorry. Depends by what you mean as special.A lot of words to say that literally no Level IV plate is lighter than the 4801.> I very much doubt the FBI, one of its end users, has been using the same XSAPI design for sixteen years.Except they have. The military has been trying to modernize the old XSAPI with the VTP-XSAPI and they keep fucking it up.
>>64172401>not SRT rated eitherWell, no, it's likely just taking advantage of M855 being a very poor performer against steel armor>Long oneLTC 26310, Protech 9812-R1, Tencate CXP-800 are all lighter than the 5.6lb SAPI M Hesco 4801. Most of the lighter ones are .04 plates, but the point remains.>Except they haveXSAPI has been through at least three revisions since 2007. REV. A, REV. B, REV. C, there's a rumored D, and then the VTP XSAPIs that keep failing ballistic reqs. The 28601 is either A or B depending on when exactly it was introduced. The earliest known example is from 2009 so I'm leaning B. We know with C the required weight dropped to 6lb from 6.5lb for a SAPI M. 28601 is heavier than that as a swimmer M.
>>64172483> Well, no, it's likely just taking advantage of M855 being a very poor performer against steel armorYou don't even know that it was M855 and they never said what velocity the impact was at. In other words, it's probably complete bullshit. > CX800This appears to be an ICW plate, so the actual weight is above 5.6 poundshttps://spar-tac.shop/product/tencate-multi-light-cx-800-ic-ballistic-plate/?lang=en> We know with C the required weight dropped to 6lb from 6.5lb for a SAPI M.Do you know where this was mentioned? I thought that the VTP plates were supposed to be around 6 pounds SAPI M. It would be weird if they keep fucking up at the same weight as the Rev C.
>>64170835my winter wear has been terrorwave/partisan core for years now
>>64172511>M855The velocity is uncertain, I agree it's probably out of an ARP or something to get it below 2,500ft/s. You aren't cracking most steel armor with that. However, that's still a marked improvement over other facial armor. Still unacceptably heavy though.>CX800In another win for Tencate's naming conventions, I meant the CXP-800, not the CX-800. The CXP-800 is a standalone 5.39lb plate rated to both Level III and IV. It has double the multi hit of the 4801.>REV. CFQ/PD 07-03 Revision D outlines XSAPI REV. C, IIRC.>VTPThose are meant to be 5.4lb or so, standalone, 58mm BFD limit, swimmer cut. Otherwise same or better ballistic performance as prior XSAPIs. VTP ESAPIs are below 5lb. You can see why the XSAPIs are going to have trouble.
>>64172713lmao. The 5.1 pound mask guys literally hoodwinked you with a video that's probably fake or pure BS. There's no evidence that the shot in the video is >2500 fps either! For all we know it could be from 500 yards and 1000 fps.> I meant the CXP-800I can't find this anywhere. Weird that it's so much better than the CX. I wonder what the "P" stands for, lol> VTPMaybe the procurement guys are retarded?
>>64172936Hold up, there's no maybe about it. I just learned that the "X" in XSAPI stands for "xensoteria"
>>64171658>>64171666> The year is 2026> Pull up to ukraine > An actual fucking live combine soldier is sitting in the trench I'm being deployed to> Look closer> There's Jinwudun tags on his gear
>>64172936>MaskIt could be from 500 yards and 1,000ft/s, sure. However, keep in mind this thing weighs 5.1lb. You could literally tape an SRT plate to your face, save weight, save money, and get better protection. Given the poor performance of M855 vs steel, it's feasible it could be going faster than that. The problem with this mask is that it's five pounds on your face. Add a helmet with NV and you're at ten.What we need is a test report from SMS, HP White, etc.>CXP-800Tencate's catalog, here:https://integriscomposites.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Integris-Multi-light-data-sheets-v1.8.pdf>VTPIf you want my honest take, I think they're trying to bag XSAPI via impossible requirements. Nobody seems to like the things. They add weight, have an irrelevant level of extra protection, and will be trounced by any modern 7.62 penetrator better than M993 at 3,050ft/s.
>>64172945Yeah they had a stroke. It's really X-threat.Shit gets weirder with the exotic SAPI variants. You've got the light SAPI (LSAPI), the Lares SAPI (also LSAPI), LITE SAPI (USMC Lite plate), ECSAPI (enhanced capability) not to be confused with the enhanced SAPI (ESAPI), there's also references to a next generation XSAPI not to be confused with the next gen NGSAPI, etc.>>64172979Ah yes he's right next to the mercenaries in full Militech armor with digital quad nods. We're cyberpunking it tonight boys.
>>64173326The best "IV" Plates are still things like the MH3 and the reason they aren't made is fairly mundane, its cost and market demand at the price needed to have a workable profit margin.
>>64173482It's also sadly that Ceradyne is more or less defunct. In their prime, they had ways of breezing past others' limitations. The MH3 is still really impressive by today's standards. 4.2lb SAPI M, ICW IIIA, rated for twelve M995 or 1-2 .30-06 M2AP. With modern high-end soft armor it's still under 5lb and mogs the Hesco 4800 despite being like twenty years old. In their IMP/ACT brochure they had a multi-hit 5.7lb ICW IIIA M993-stopper, in 2004.
>>64172979>He's got a skirt and parabolic microphone cat ears>You have no choice>He shields you with a really shitty PE shield>He lets you borrow his aholetech>You give him the 4SUS4>Highcums all over the plate>You just can't tencate it anymore>In exchange for paying him to draw "art" with surplus crayons that were left on the Bradley that just blew up down the street, he gives you the hesco 4609>It's a 4601 but 0.3lb lighter and that justifies $400 more monies>That's like five commissions>Drones>Life is shit>The memes are shit>Can't even get good internet>It's just the skirts>too many skirts>And really shitty helmetsThe way of Jinwudun
>>64172638Nice I would be same but I can't give up my blue jeans.They are just to nice to not wear.
>>64170191What is the best kit to start rucking?I kinda want to go with goruck since they seem to popular and have patches for completing hard workouts.I have never build a kit before and would like to start.>>64170234>>64170835>>64167531>>64171437These look good
>>64174516to start get a cheaper pack like an ALICE or some hiking bag.
>>64172979It would be really funny if The Combine just showed up to Ukraine and conquered both of them
>>64174524Got a good recommendation for a bag the won't rip?I was using my old hiking/school bag till it gave out a week ago.Granted it was fairly old.
>>64174584China, using Jinwudun combine gear, will zerg rush Kiev and Moscow alike. The nork soldiers will execute order 48.
>>64174588FILBE?
>>64174610Looks great thanks
>>64174619the ALICE pack I mentioned will also work, but FILBE is great.
Twink infantryman here. I have a small JPC 2.0 but I find that even with the cummerbund at its tightest setting it's still a little too big for me unless I'm wearing cold weather gear underneath. It ends up flopping around a bit and sliding backwards when I have my camelbak attached. What's a good elastic/stretch cummberbund I can swap onto the thing to keep it tight onto my body?
>>64174885have you tried overlapping the cummerbund in the back?
>>64174896Yeah, no dice. The cummerband has to pass through the strip of fabric the zippers for zip on packs attach to and it can't go all the way through. Right now I have it pulled tight enough to where the cummberbund ends overlap by one MOLLE cell and it's still loose.
>>64174885>Twink infantryman here.Please don't ever get captured, the Russians will rape you
>>64174901you mind posting a pic? also Crye sells a stretch cummerbund for the JPC.
hey Radovan, what do you think of this?
Where can I buy grommets/eyelets/drain holes that are painted?I can't find any on berry complaint fabric sites. I assume they would be there but I can't find them.I want the same type you would find on proper gear, that's why I'm looking on those sites.
>>64174978amazon. just google black brass grommets.
>>64174994I want black, coyote, FDE, I specified in the post I'm looking for the right grommets and I can't find it anywhere.I assume they are available on sites that sell berry compliant fabric and materials but I can't find them there.
>>64175046https://csosborneupholsterytools.com/product/no-b1-dull-black-grommets-washers/is this good? they where recommended by other people making gear. don't know about other colors but you can just paint them.
>>64174619>>64174870FILBE is basically like the default backpack. IR compliant, good construction, cheap surplus.>>64174903I thought the combine deployed the nut suppression field? Did they lose the war? Is the Freeman Russian?
>>64175065I mean a grommet is a grommet is a grommet but I meanWTH every nylon gear company can't be painting these themselves??
>>64174967Based and effective camo on practical hat. >>64175084That doesn't mean they can't get a hard on
>>64175098I don't know man, there probably getting them from there wholesale distributors.
>>64175101They're gonna be shooting blanks, like people that buy $93 ukraine overrun Level IVs from Highcum! (which is partly why you can no longer trust anyone in the armor industry)
>>64175101If I'm wearing all the gear everyone says I should, I'm definitely wearing something silly, the world may ask for clowns but I refuse to be the one who cleans up after the elephants
>>64175177>you can no longer trust anyone in the armor industryEXCEPT THE US MILITARY AND ABROAD! FUGG YEAH>>64175228Wizard hat is fucking based. Imagine getting bayoneted by a guy wearing a woobie as a robe and a M81 Woodland WIZARD HAT. If I didn't care about head protection I would definitely wear my Serbian Beret on Sep. 23rd, but maybe I will write funny stuff on my PASGT to substitute (I wanna look like picrel so bad)
>>64175228Where 2 cop
M-tac ghille p nice
>>64175402>EXCEPT THE US MILITARYLISTEN HERE PAL BIG ARMOR IS DENYING OUR TROOPS THE BEST ARMOR. DRAGONSKIN. THEY'VE BEEN DENYING THEM DRAGONSKIN SINCE AFGHANISTAN. WOULD'A CAUGHT BIN LADEN IF THE REAL HARD MEN AT ARA ARA I MEAN TORA BORAELIS COULD PUSH THROUGH THE AK BULLETS THAT NO SAPPY PLATE CAN HANDLE.SHOULD'A GOT DRAGONSKIN. SHOULD'A LISTENED.- Sent from my phone using tapatalk- corporal captain Jimmy "Jizz" JohnsonSuborbital SHALO jumperShit in Saddam's toilet 2003-2005"I carry a .500 S&W because they don't make a .510"
>>64177448I killed the dragon already how do I skin it?
Love the halligan and flathead axe combo. Have used it with major success. Picrel mortise lock can legit just be twisted off th door btw
>>64175624https://kruschiki.com/products/camouflage-wizard-hats?srsltid=AfmBOopnDEdCpoW2pnkwK94j4fVjSy2pOLQpDz-KOweMJRUotW4IdRSAthey've got other camos available
>>64178862Gasoline. It works 60% of the time.>>64179130Yeah, you can spin off a lot of commercial locks too. It's surprising how much urban mobility you get with the correct tools. I think collapsing ladder man upthread might be onto something.
>>64170191who makes a helmet that fits a 25.5 inch/65.5cm head that isnt custom and $2k?
>>64175228>I PUT ON MY ROBE AND WIZARD HAT....
>>64179907>GANDALF THE ALPENFLAGE>AND GANDALF THE MULTICAM TROPIC>THE BIG BLUE TIGER STRIPE>AND JAMBI THE WOODLANDAnd you took a 20lb collapsing ladder to secure the wizarding position on top of the gas station, allowing you to breach from the top and bottom. Gandald the alpenflage took a .223 to the face but wore a bionicle mask so he's fine. Gandalf the multicam tropic wasted $480 on civ legal flashbangs that didn't do shit. Big blue tiger stripe's car broke down halfway to the boog and he forgot to pack bug spray so his level v plates are gettijg massacred by mosquitos. Jambi the woodland is off stacking mountains trying to rob his house because he's actually in the house across the street and wired multiple turkshit shotguns to roombas.The state of modern warfare.
>>64174967Where can I buy such a drippy cap?
>https://www.amazon.com/Extension-RIKADE-Telescoping-Telescopic-Household/dp/B0CJV9CQHJI'm gonna buy a telescoping ladder for a level of larp you people ain't even seen yet. How should I strap it to my backpack? I'm gonna strand all over the place.
>>64182246I got mine from Americana pipedream, but they don't have them any more. I did see one on ebay though.
>>64170191https://mcraefootwear.com/product/vietnam-era-jungle-boot/7189are these good? typically I don't care about latest and greatest, I Just want something that'll work
>>64184729don't know about that brand, but you can probably find real surplus ones on ebay.
>>64184729I wouldn't know much about non-surplus boots, but I'd say just get the NOS surplus ones
>>64184740>>64184751I mean they say that they were made on original tooling back from 67' they got to be pretty nice if they're made in the US
>>64184758I feel like 150 is a bit of a steep price though, that's more than what I bought my PASGT vest for. But hey, it's your money
>>64184758there probably not that bad (the real ones aren't that good even) but I don't know anything about them. it looks promising but then again amazon jungle boots look the same. you won't know unless you try it.
>>64184764money is worth nothing right now and we're in a depression nobody has the balls to talk about that's been in motion since 2008. I typically don't buy anything new If I can help it but I'm not surprised the adults my age are coping tremendously by living in a monstrous debt spiral. but yeah 150 isn't actually that bad, my steeltoe timberlands that I wear nearly everyday for production welding last at least 2-5 years depending on how I abuse them
>>64184789*they're 180 to 230 usd
>>64184789try them out, let us know. if there good I might get a pair. been wanting another set of jungle boots for a while now.
>>64184729Jungle boots are usually uncomfy
>>64184729You can buy Merrell MOABs for less, you can buy Nike SFBs for $40 more, you can buy Rocky C4T for $10 more, you can buy Salomon Elixir Activ for $30 more.There are so many great options out there. Buying a repro style jungle boot is 100% a LARP centric choice, not a practical one.
>>64179907Fucking ancient reference. It's time to go to bed, grandpa.
>>64175628>leaving on the floor
Hot take. Hesco is the best choice for civilian or LE hard armor.
>>64187855Brand doesnt matter as much as protectionIf it doesnt stop A1 threats youre diluting yourself
>>64188363>If it doesnt stop A1 threats youre diluting yourselfWhat about A2 threats? Like getting busted messaging trannies on twitter
>>64188574gottem
>>64188363There's no certifying standard for A1 threats. The brand's reputation matters as much as the plate's claimed performance.
>>64188574lmao
>consistently doing 1 hour of cardio/30 minutes of compound lifts every other day>get handgun/rifle lessons and now put 1000 rounds plinking with basic shooting knowledge>now have holster for my pistol, and chicom chestrigwhere do I go from here?
>>64190622Fight for Arkan, become a Srpski dobrovoljac
>>64188363Surely if you're worried about a1 the answer for most people is to simply buy a level 4 plate and be done with it?On that note, is nij .07 relevant yet? I'm looking to get a new plate bc I've been rockin m210s for a bit now and I was thinking about picking up a some 4403s, but I wanted to see what the "next level" of plates would be. I had some ridiculously thick plates (3s9m) but fuck I hate plates that thick, I'd much rather have a thinner but heavier plate. However, if I could stay at the less than an inch thick that my old set of hesco 4400s were while dropping some weight, I obviously would prefer that. Anything out there that's not a bazillion dollars or am I just picking up a 4403?
does anyone got a crye g3 combat top and field shirt? i got a crye g3 combat top in long, was going grab a g3 field shirt also but was wondering for the field shirt if i should just go regular instead of long since you wouldnt tuck it in
>>64190702That's right. Almost any plate honestly tested to defeat .30-06 M2AP will defeat M855A1 / M80A1 no sweat. Where Level IV usually falls short is in multi-hit versus III / "III+", permissible shot spacing, and weight. That obv doesn't apply to SRTs like the M210s. We want M80A1 prot so most III+ is right out.You want a thinner plate, so the lighter but 1.18" Hesco 4601 or Adept Colossus are right out. 4601 is the best NIJ cert'd IV under $1k, so rip our mid-range options. ESAPI will end up being well over 1" with soft armor. XSAPI too. Highcom 4S16 is barely lighter than the 4403 for more money, but 0.7" thick. However, there are concerns about its drop foam or lack thereof. Also the 10x12 / 8x10 are undersized..07 hasn't released yet so everyone is still in 0101.06 with prep work limbo. The 4403s are good plates, and are basically 4400s with extra reinforcement those lacked. Best budget Level IV.The ideal solution for A1s is the Tyr XHA4/S6/T, but that's $3k a set and needs letterhead. 4.5lb SAPI M, A1 threats or 6x M80 4.5lb standalone, Level IV backed with IIIA, 0.75" standalone and still under an inch w/ many soft armor panels. It's moderately better than the LTC 28570 and much better than the LTC 28595, which are #2 and #3 respectively for your application. The RMA XRT fits your reqs to a T but it barely scrapes past the RF1 M80 test due to BFD (42mm unconditioned) and there are major concerns about RMA's QC and dependability given past track record. It's not dependable IMO. They're liable to change materials no-notice and/or send a ringer to youtube as they did with the 1192 or fail to disclose some major catches for years as they did with the 1189 or first gen 1199.Anyways the 4403s are your best bet unless you can put up $$$ for 4801s, LTC 26310s (.04), Protech 9812-R1s (.04) or can wait for something real nice to fall off a truck.
>>64190626Ajde odjebi pička ti majčina retardovana, koji cringe jebem ti lebac
>>64190622Stop the Bleed class, basic medical kit. If you have enough magazines for your rifle, skip everything else and save up for thermal / NODs.
>>64191280yeah, my first aid cert has been expired for quite a whilegood thinking
>>64191280Stick a Oneleaf thermal for under $1.5k and you'll be in great shape.
>>64191276>who cringes, fuck your breadresearchers still don't know what he meant
>>64191787>serblarper faggot can't even read serbian
Bitches I've got elite spanker, botach and condor and run a six minute mile. I dab on you fools with nv you bitches took a loan for oh shit the repo man's up in yo peepo he gonna give you a chance to get yo clothes out of yo 99 corrola before he put that bitch on the hook bu bye to yo creditredditors
>>64191850nice bait
>>64191850Actual schizo babble, go back to pfg
>>64191812So do the people who cringe fuck their bread or do I fuck my bread?>>64191850The scout posted this
>>64171559>Looking to add a collapsible ladder to my larp kit. Are these any good?The one I just used was way too heavy. And it wiggled.
>>64191857whats ur mile time>>64191859pfg gone now me here>>64191862demoman bitch took out a mortgage for nv that just got stolen last week by my bro darius and his crowbardumbfuk got the cheap contractor screws in his mcmansion guardin his 40k quad nodsyou bitches aint got priorities
>>64191876The ones on amazon say they're good up to 330lb. I assume with all things amazon that's a generous estimate and if worst comes to worst PENISHUNTER will just rebrand to XIFIGHTER or JEHME and wind up magically judgement proof for the inevitable snapped neck lawsuit.
>>64191881Hey it's the tranny who killed those 2 catholicsAnyway, does anyone know where I can get a PVS-5 without paying the same as modern NODs? I want a PVS-5 so bad
>>64191948if I knew I wouldn't tell you, I'd by them myself.
>>64191896>The ones on amazonI mean, it worked better than no ladder and stored smaller than a folding chair, but a $600 Ti tactical version is a different animal.
>>64191881temu homeless anakin skywalker>>64192020Where can I cop a $600 titanium ladder?
Don't know if I should ask here or perhaps consult someone who knows how to dress, but: I like to wear a jumpsuit for work. I appendix carry my gun in a phlster enigma, but I feel like if I had to the draw would be very slow. Should I just wear something else or is there a better way to carry? I've been thinking about one of those harnesses that I can wear across my chest which would hopefully be easier to grab. I mean I guess I could just wear the phlster diagonally across my chest too, dont know how well that'd work. I dont want to be one of those off body carry fanny pack wearing guys
>>64170835That's absurdly fucking gay.
>>64192323I presume you have it underneath the jumpsuit right? Unless you have it unzipped all the time, if you had to draw quickly you'd probably be fugged. I hate to keep spamming Serb images but if open carry is an option for you at all I'd do something like Arkan in picrel. If you can't open carry and carrying is that important I'd say wear something different.
Im a minimi gunner review my loadout/give advice>crye avsOnly keep a gp pouch on it and eventually comms if I had them>crye blast belt + jayjays under armor suspenders2x 200rd saw pouches templars gear at 4 and 8 o clock, blueforce gear trauma now 6 o clock, 2x brit surp canteen pouches at 5 and 7 o clockAs for packs, as a strictly assault pack CamelBack HAWG, I'm pretty happy with it, as a medium/patrol pack savotta kantamus 40L with 2x 6L side pouches, hope it's big enough for cold weather shit as I haven't gotten it in the mail yet, I'd consider adding another 2x 6L pouches on the front to reach 72LAs a bigass ruck for long ops/additional equipment/very cold weather im not sure, I like the mystery ranch SATL although it's on the smaller side of rucks and it'd overlap with the kantamus, kantamus 60L with the same pouches layout, savotta jakkari XL + side pouches, mystery ranch 6500 is good too but it's maybe too big.My main concern is the kantamus is going to be too small but the main compartment is actually 50L bc it expands with the roll top overloaded.
>>64192496I actually got a shaw concepts 4mag ar placard+bfg triple tenspeed on top of it but as a saw gunner I don't need that.Also got a sandwich pouch in the velcro kangaroo thing of the avs
>>64171587I think I have at least one of those dickhead helmets. I bought a bunch of former Soviet bloc helmets a few years ago, because they were so fucking cheap. Most of them had several signatures by the conscripts who had used them.They're heavy as shit and it's impossible to look good in them, no matter how much you adjust them. They're too tall and sit too far up on the head, which makes the weight issue even worse.
>>64192496>Extremely heavy minimal coverage plate carrier>Only advantage is a huge rigid harness for carrying heavy loads>Put NO WEIGHT on it>Put weight on a fucking blast belt.>And then transfer it back on your shoulders via suspendersYou must be on crack. Either move the SAW ammo onto AVS harness in a Crye SPS 9x7 pouch, or replace AVS with JPC. You're literally carrying 3lbs of dead weight you aren't using.
>>64192496Sounds solid enough>>64192555>Extremely heavyI swear the shit posted here makes me smdh. The difference between an AVS and a 6094 is barely noticeable.>Put NO WEIGHT on itYou don't count the plates as weight?>Put weight on a fucking blast belt.>And then transfer it back on your shoulders via suspendersYes, spreading the weight between your hips and shoulders is the whole premise of a belt and yoke.
>>64192496Like other anon said this is kinda ass-backwards. Try and redistribute per the three lines.1. Belt is first line survival / medical. Hint, run two medkits.2. Fighting gear is on your vest. Second line. Move ammo here.3. Your pack is third line.
>>64192573>The plates as weightWhat plates are you running?
>>64192574Who the fuck told you ammo wasn't appropriate for first line gear? This sounds like some mickey mouse unit regs that became dogma.
>>64192573>I swear the shit posted here makes me smdh.Because you're on crack.>The difference between an AVS and a 6094Did I tell you to get a 6094, or did I tell you to get a JPC? Compare AVS+Harness weight to JPC weight, and you'll see where the 3 lbs went.>You don't count the plates as weight?It's not enough. AVS is a load bearing system and you're bearing no load. JPC can handle the weight of ESAPIs with backer just as well, its a plate carrier.>Yes, spreading the weight between your hips and shoulders is the whole premise of a belt and yoke.Then why do you have 3 lbs of dead weight on your shoulders if you're so knowledgeable about weight transfer?
>>64192587Reading comp fail, "survival" can mean some ammo, especially if its for a sidearm. It's a general guideline for when simultaneously using a belt and vest.
Jesus this reads like when reddit twigs buy RMA 1155s and can't make it up the stairs.
>>64184729I've always seen jungle boot repos for $30-40its a pretty simple boot, you wont get an extra $100 worth of value from those
>>64192587Ammo is appropriate for first line sometimes, but not on Crye Blast Belt since its already weighted down with the IIIA wrap around, and its also an otherwise a very hot padded piece of gear. You can carry some minimalist kit on it, but if you duped yourself into Crye ecosystem, you best use it to its advantages.His ammo consists of two 200 boxes of M249. If he transfers just one to his vest, he unbalances his belt - the AVS can take some of unbalancing. So the real thing to do here is to carry M249 ammo on the AVS, the blast belt even with suspenders is not the best place for it. Ergonomics issues are solved with the Crye SPS pouch specifically for 200 box.A halfway measure would be to split into 4 100 rounders, half on vest half on belt.But in reality he'll likely invent a billion reasons not have any on his vest, so he might as well just not wear the AVS, which by itself is hot and heavy.
>>64192623until they blow out five miles innawoods.Nevah buy the temu
>>64192630just buy good modern boots for the same price
>>64192629>not wear the AVSso he's got IIIA on the beltline but no vital armor or are we insisting he switch to a lighter carrier? Need to figure out what plates he's rolling. If it's ESAPI + ESBI + backers I can understand if he feels "burdened" but he needs more conditioning if that's the case. The only .mil plates outside of Natick weight guidelines are first-rev XSAPIs.
>>64192643>are we insisting he switch to a lighter carrierYes, the JPC. Or equivalent I guess.
>>64192653That'll work. Hopefully he isn't running the AVS slick because of plate weight and he's running 5lb VTP ESAPIs. Like, damn man.
>>64192555Most of the weight stays on your hips with the beltIf you got to wear armor all day the comfort afforded by the avs is worth it even if you're not putting much stuff on it, just to bear the weight of the plates it is worth it as it'll get uncomfortable after after wearing it all day>>64192643I got plates + 3a side armor>>64192629In any case a belt kit is going to be padded and hotter even a jayjays belt kit or crossfire dz rig or whatever, I chose the crye bc it's got 3a armor.Putting all on your pc ain't a good idea as a belt spread weight on your hips which is more comfortable and got a lower center of mass
>>64192704Yeah, what plates though?
>>64192369Get back to /ak/ tripfag. But yeah, beneath. I wear the jumpsuit to also help with concealment and it also allows me to dress like shit beneath, so I dont want to wear it open. Plus the gun would just be in plain sight
Radovan is ok and welcome in /gq/
>>64192708Tencate CX800 IC
>>64192717So about 6lb with backers. For dual III & IV protection that's not terrible. People are getting by with much heavier Hesco 4403s.
>>64171139>if we're being honest, I'm not doing any actual operator shit with itDude, this is /gq/, that goes without saying.
>>64192746>f-f-fuck you mean!? I paid $800 for a gerber dingdong!They hated him because he spoke the truth.
>>64192704>If you got to wear armor all day the comfort afforded by the avs is worth it even if you're not putting much stuff on it, just to bear the weight of the plates it is worth it as it'll get uncomfortable after after wearing it all dayWhatever comfort you believe the AVS is giving you comes at the cost of 1/4th of your vest's weight and reduced ventilation. What you need is a set of comfortable shoulder pads, not a harness.>Putting all on your pc ain't a good idea as a belt spread weight on your hips which is more comfortableThis is actually a misconception that very few people truly get to test on themselves. Since the advent of a duty belt, lower back issues and discomfort led many agencies to adopt a split belt + vest or even a vest-only system, even as cops wear heavier and heavier armor. And those guys are the ones that wear all their gear day in day out. All of this is because that simply wearing weight on hips does not equal even and balanced distribution. With long and heavy items like, say, MG pouches, the weight doesn't simply stay glued to your hips, it moves relative to your legs, and may even bounce up and down during active movement. Now you're not simply carrying the weight, the weight strikes at your joints.Granted the blast belt has some rigidity to it, but it is not an AVS harness.With the AVS harness system, it is rigid, and the weight you add to it is less bouncy, it grabs your torso in many places, and utilizes more of your spine to bear it. And then your body naturally transfers the weight of your upper torso (with securely attached load of the AVS) down to your legs.You already understand it, as you say that you're very much willing to pay with increased weight of your PC for more long term comfort, but then balk at the idea of utilizing the system more.
>>64192704Also, if your blast belt is of high back variety, and your AVS size + your torso height are in a goldilocks zone, you can extend your back when standing upright or sitting in a car, and the lower rear end of the harness actually rests on the high back blast belt, and relieves well-balanced weight of your entire carrier, armor and ammo, onto the belt.It's like part time STKSS without any downsides.
>>64192713>allows me to dress like shit beneath, so I dont want to wear it open.Personal defense is more important than fashion I will tell you>>64192715Thank you anon
>>64192840>personel defense is more important than fashionHence why Russians are wearing IIIA skirts, made by the Jinwudun Clan, to protect their cocks, balls, thighs, and asses from fragmentation and bullets.I'm actually surprised it took this long to go full roman in response to drone / artillery frag threats. Your femorals are important people, especially if medical is limited.I anticipate the coming few years will be the return of the buckler, except in a somewhat larger fashion and rated up to 7.62x39 MSC / heavy frag.
>>641929820% of Russians wear that shit. I understand gq is airsoft larping, but you gotta at least try to sanity check yourself.>source: fpv videos.
>>64192982Daily reminder you are more likely to be killed by shrapnel than small arms fire.Flak-skirt would be a good idea
>>64193029Ukrainian war has actually shown that soft armor is penetrated by shrapnel produced by mortar shells, RPG rockets and artillery pieces. Some weapons like HIMARS are loaded with tungsten balls that penetrate armor.The only possible protection is a ceramic rifle-rated ballistic plate.
>>64193041Excellent point. I think the issue here is threefold.1. Soft armor in Ukraine is all over the place quality wise. Both sides' armor industries are terrible by western standards. UARM is the best Ukraine has. Neat Level IV shoulder plates and what not but they've got some test failures on the books.2. No consistent frag ratings. IIIA, or rather "IIIA" is being pressed into roles it shouldn't be. Whole lot of mystery meat.3. Honest frag ratings, when they do exist, are not applicable to preformed fragmentation, especially of the WC variety as you describe.I think two things will occur in the future.1. We're going to revive the "IIIB" high soft armor rating developed by Pinnacle Armor more than two decades ago. Soft armor ratings will trend upwards.2. Improvements in PE will enable ceramic-PE dick plates and femoral armor. You can already buy pouches to run full size 10x12 plates as dickplates, but the weight penalty is assinine, for now. An improved Hesco 3811 would be perfect for the job.The armor barrel will come gentlemen.
>>64193041I remember seeing the shit about the Russians just having sheetmetal plates in their carriers so it's probably just a matter of them having baloney armor Also if it is true we can just have picrel but made out of ceramic
>>64193064What will likely happen, instead, is that everyone will realize that wearing side plates is not dumb but requirement. At first they'll give it up for polyethylene NIJ III, then slowly reach the "Maybe ESBIs arent that dumb" stage. They'll also put them into abdominal and groin protection.The only thing that will likely remain soft is the neck yoke, since you cant put plates in it and retain large ergonomic coverage, and even small secondary shrapnel is deadly in that area.Once again Crye Precision is ahead of the curve. The old LAP panels take 6x6 or 6x9 side plates to protect your dick, while abdominal panels take a 6x6.
>>64193068Steel plates are actually better than kevlar against these threats because shrapnel HRC is less than ballistic plate HRC, so an IIIA-rated steel plate would be a much safer bet than IIIA kevlar. It just weighs out the ass, still, and not an answer to preformed tungsten.
>>64193068Also multi-faceted.1. Russian logistics are a solid 0/10 and they blew through most of their legit plates.2. Their legit plates are a mix of older Soviet stuff and newer "Granits" manufactured by Techinkom and FORT.3. The Techinkom Granits are alumina-composite, either GOST-5A or GOST-6A depending on version, and do not perform like they were hyped up to. US had better armor available in the early 1990s. Even REV. A ISAPI (2003) / ESAPI (2005) take these to church.4. FORT can't even make reliable silicon carbide half the time. They have some kinda impressive armor on paper but it's not widely-issued (ACP-G, ACP-M). Only known company with a 7N37-rated plate (ACP-M) but it's obnoxiously heavy with required soft armor. Think 10lb or so.5. They were drumming up badass "Ratnik-2" and Sotnik armor years ago but both failed to properly materialize. Sotnik was, IIRC, supposed to have GOST-BR6 (new standard) plates available rated to 3x 12.7x108mm B-32 API. Yeah ok. The plates manufactured by Atlas Armor for this role did not perform and FORT's shit is vaporware like the vest it was supposed to ride in on.The Ukies also have a lot of baloney armor. Big scandal years back with "Hyperion" - which promised the impossible like 30-hit Level IVs weighing 7lb that could also stop 7N37, or I think a "TITAN-6" plate at one point good for .50 cal threats.
>>64193090Literally all of this is false, how can you be this sort of dunning-kruger retard. USSR fell apart over 35 years ago, all of that gear is in private collector hands lmao. Retards from this thread likely have more soviet gear than all of russian warehouses at this time.
>>64193080>everyone will realize that wearing side plates is not dumb but requirementI agree completely.>At first they'll give it up for polyethylene NIJ IIIWhich will get mulched by tungsten core anything (Buffman shot a Shotstop PE III that literally lost to 9x19mm DM91 years ago) and most serious steel core threats. Agreed again.>then slowly reach the "Maybe ESBIs arent that dumb" stageAt minimum single-hit B-32 API, like some MSAPs.I agree on all other points. I think the reason why we'll see higher-level soft armor is higher coverage - a la BALCS and just because PE is naturally improving. Not every artillery shell is going to be preformed tungsten. We'll never see rifle-rated soft armor probably within the next two decades at least, so there is still a hard ceiling.>Steel plates are actually better than kevlar against these threatsWeight penalty is going to be obnoxious. We're talking something like 0.8lb vs 3.5lb for IIIA protection on a 6x8.
>>64193100>they literally have nothing left from 35 years agoyeah ok. Did they got sotnik out to everybody like they promised?
>>64193124No. And that's the problem with you being a dunning-kruger retard. By paying attention to some concept piece 'promised' at an expo, you've missed out on Russians issuing out NIJ IV+ AVS clones using modern "Shelkovo" plates that can stop 7n37 at 7.7 lbs a piece.Look up KBS Strelok.
>>64193146>modern "Shelkovo" plates that can stop 7n37 at 7.7 lbs a pieceand I've got some polycrystalline diamond 3lb Level IVs to sell you. Test report?
>>64193082>Steel plates are actually better than kevlar against these threatsSerbian knights show up, conquer both Russia and Ukraine>>64193090>Their legit plates are a mix of older Soviet stuffSoviets had rifle-rated plates?Also now I'm curious on the ballistics of shrapnel itself
>>64193171Yeah, 6B5-15, boron carbide. GOST-4 protection, capable against 5.45x39mm 7N10.
>>64193155https://youtu.be/pi53Iu1UaU8?t=6440You can watch this entire video which is a good introduction to the state of modern Russian ballistics, both soft armor and ceramics.
>>64193182I asked for a test report, not two dudes shooting "7N37" in a backyard with no simultaneous chrono or weight markings on the plate. They could be shooting LPS at it. Have some standards man. This is why fudds still use steel.
>>64193118>At minimum single-hit B-32 API, like some MSAPs.Some results have shown Granit 5a being sufficient to stop these heavy hitters since even preformed shrapnel isn't launched through a rifled barrel and doesn't have the same velocity or stability as a tungsten bullet. A good chance that an RF2 plate would be sufficient.>I think the reason why we'll see higher-level soft armor is higher coverage - a la BALCS and just because PE is naturally improving.Biggest issue of BALCS cut in polyethylene is that it's too rigid. Plate carrier-style box-shaped panels are much more ergonomic in that regard, and you only lose out on some transitional edge curves. It also plays better with side plates if we'll see large adoption of it. Think IOTV Gen 4, rather than IOTV Gen 3.
>>64193197>Some results have shown Granit 5aThat gets you BZ API, so basically anything similar to the LTC 28791 / 28780 if you're familiar with those. My concern is that if they're boron carbide to save weight they'll be subject to amorphization when subjected to tungsten fragmentation.>Biggest issue of BALCS cut in polyethylene is that it's too rigidTrue, that's subject to change if we ever move away from Spectra / Dyneema into new fibers. Major if.
>>64193193If I had a report, I'd give it to you. It's up to you to believe it or not, but you seem have no issue believing that some Fort plates stop 7n37, and those things are not even publicly tested and there's no report for them either. The plates are certified for B-32 at least, so that's a fact.
>>64193209>you seem have no issue believing that some Fort plates stop 7n37Because they ostensibly weigh over 10lb with required soft armor and even Chinese Silicon carbide / PE will cut it at that areal density. 7N37 isn't black magic but it is 1-0 against plates like the Adept Colossus, which uses a very nice TiB2-SiC doped ceramic designed specifically for tungsten threats. >The plates are certified for B-32 at leastThat's pathetic if they're 7.7lb, supposedly state of the art, and that's the best they can do. The LTC 28570 is 4.38lb swimmer or 4.58lb SAPI and does the same thing - and LTC is an actually reputable armor manufacturer while your KBS Strelok is another literal who like Hyperion.
>>641931716B3 vest actually introduced rifle-rated plates during PASGT era, 1983, before ISAPO. It consisted of squares of Titanium that could stop AK rounds at ranges of 50-100 meters or so.The early 6B3 is effectively the "CRISAT Target" used for NATO penetration testing, and P90/MP7 projects began specifically to allow troops without rifles to counter it, which they couldn't do with 9x19 weapons.
>>64193229I think the major distinction here is that ISAPO stopped threats with no standoff (Level III), just as VBAGT did in the 1960s (7.62x39mm ball). America's always had about a twenty year head start on body armor. VBAGT is much more technically advanced than 6B5-15 or 6B3, featuring alumina, sic, or boron carbide plates. I think they even experimented with a beryllium boride variant at one point but that got shitcanned for... several reasons.
>>64193225>That's patheticThey can't be certified for anything else since Russian certification system demands B-32 and 7N13 and nothing else. 7N13 can't beat it either. Any extra projectiles is beyond certification. The video shows it whistand 7n37, but it is indeed not a formal test. And yes, 7.7 lbs weight is without backer, it needs a backer too.>your KBS Strelok is another literal who like Hyperion.Well you don't know much about the topic so obviously they're literally who to you.
>>64193229it makes sense to test the gun you want to kill your enemies with on the stuff the enemy uses.Also, what guns can be used to disorient an enemy even if they don't penetrate? I was thinking muskets
>>64193247>VBAGTI can't find a single source on this being a thing. Google literally outputs 4chan threads praising it and zero historical data. If you were trying to point out the aircrew chicken plates, their weights were excessively large and thus they were not used by or designed for ground troops, unlike 6B3.
>>64193249>7N13 can't beat it eitherokay cool so a steel-core 7.62x54R can't beat a plate rated to defeat another steel-core 7.62x54R. Am I supposed to be impressed?>Any extra projectiles is beyond certificationWhich is why I asked for a test report.>The video shows it whistand 7n37, but it is indeed not a formal testIt's about as formal as the AR500 murder basement plate stopping .50 BMG.>And yes, 7.7 lbs weight is without backer, it needs a backer too.That's awful. We're looking at what, 8.5lb for the full system? That's 2.5lb more than XSAPI just to stop a 7.62x54R threat that's been supplemented twice by harder shit.>Well you don't know much about the topic so obviously they're literally who to youSounds like KBS Bullshitting to me. I looked them up and the plates are apparently made by the Schelkovo Silk-Weaving Factory. I can find no mention of 7N37 on their page.>https://eng.shtf.su/products/body-armor-plates/keramokompozitnyie-broneelementyi-anatomicheskoj-formyi>>64193254>what guns can be used to disorient an enemy even if they don't penetrate?Laser dazzler directed at the mk1 eyeballs.
>>64193261Variable Body Armor for Ground Troops. They aren't as protective as chicken plates and certainly not as protective as the SARVIP .50 cal plates (pic rel - these needed major standoff) from the 70s-80s. These were aircrew plates but the point remains. Know any soviet body armor rated for that shit?https://www.vietnamgear.com/kit.aspx?kit=31
>>64193298No I never heard of soviets having .50 rated stuff. Interesting article. Damn those were some pancy-ass soldiers, just 20 lbs of armor made them salty. IBA in the desert was almost same weight.
>>64193325I did a quick check on my SARVIP references and I'll correct two points I made earlier.1. The SARVIP was designed to stop .50 BMG ball at ~700-900 yards. This is very high standoff by modern standards. The stop isn't the impressive part, the hard part is reducing behind armor blunt trauma. L. Cannon wrote a paper on this featuring another, newer .50 cal plate.2. It was first fielded 1992 going off the manual. I was thinking of another, earlier system. My mistake. This isn't 70s-80s vintage but I think the point still stands.>IBA in the desert was almost same weightIndeed, but it offered dramatically better protection. B-32 API is a major sandbox threat and would clear the VBAGT no problem. Now with the VTP program (if they ever get the VTP/XSAPIs to pass ballistic testing), M993 protection can be had for less weight than that.
>>64193282I looked around and stumbled upon updated Granit 6a plate named Granit BR5+. At 7.7 lbs + backer, it stopped 7N37 and 7N39. Not sure Shelkovo can match this performance, but BR5+ is a commercial plate, so it appears that 7N37 is not magic.https://frontkit.ru/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/protokol-br5-bljur.pdf
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>>64193365Now that's the test report I was asking for. I'll be nice and assume the papers from Russia are trustworthy. Considering the weight is the same it's likely the same plate. Now how do we know about this Schelkovo outfit's quality control and whether the plates are actually getting to troops over the regular GOST BR4 / BR5 stuff? Similar arguments as to those hesitant about the Adept Colossus. Notice how that plate is badass but sees no professional buyers? It should be hot shit with Ukraine now. They're rolling Highcoms that share at least the strike face with the infamously... bad 4SAS4. Why? Partly cost, also because Highcom is otherwise a proven performer and Adept is a literal who. We've got Russians running around with sheetmetal but five guys who know a guy are running around with badass super-plates? That is easily believable. This stuff somehow being standard issue, especially at that weight? Eh... Natick did a study on this a very long time ago and found armor plates north of ~6lb to be increasingly burdensome. That's why the XSAPI got so much flak at 6.5lb w/o soft, and why it dropped to 6lb flat under REV. C - still needing soft armor. Granted, 7N37 will kick its ass (as it was presumably designed to in 2013...) but XSAPIs have been around for nearly twenty years now. Old tech. Rumor has it REV. D jacked protection up from M993. That's just a rumor though and unsubstantiated. Now something I neglected to mention earlier is that Russian plates like this, as evidenced by that test report, need not only soft armor backers but also a climatic amortization panel to reduce BFD. That's about another six ounces. Final weight estimate is ~8.875lb. This cuts 1.2lb or so off the ACP-M, which is doable but means Russia is cutting massive weight off of what was their state-of-the-art a couple years ago. In other words, I'd like to see consistency here and one lab test doesn't prove that. It just proves they can make a couple plates that pull it off.
>>64193350SARVIP plate is sort of funny. It's so odd that for quite a while they were armoring pilots and not airframes, and expected that a pilot taking a burst from .50 AA into the plate was a survivable occurrence.
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>>64193427>armoring pilots and not airframesI think that was a cost problem at the time. You'd want to use boron carbide for this and armoring up a whole-ass Huey cockpit with B4C, not to mention the glass, is major $$$. That's why for example you almost never see ballistic shields made out of boron carbide. Shit's expensive. The original SAPI in 1998 used a SiC-B4C combination ceramic, and that was considered absolute state of the art at the time. So state of the art in fact that SAPIs made twenty seven years ago are still comparable to many modern plates. ESAPIs were huge $$$ in 2004-2005 because they used a pure B4C strike face, which with REV.G onward got replaced by B4C-SiC again to resolve the amorphization issue against M995 @ 3,350-3,400ft/s - also known as threat "Y."
>>64193421They're the same weight but its not the same plate, two different manufacturers. Troops are not getting the Granit BR5+ because it is a commercial product without adoption. About $500/piece. This is not a lab test, it's a certification protocol for a complete, but commercial, offering.KBS is supplied in limited quantity with Shelkovo BR5 plates only. The entire system copies Crye AVS specifically because plates are too heavy. Wikipedia article displays the photo of the kit with the copy of STKSS system to offset weight. I can't find any papers that definitely attribute 7n37 protection to it, but I choose to believe the public/video tests.On topic of the climate panel. It is required for Russian cert because their BFD standards are half of NIJ and like 1/3 of US military. It's up in the air whether less of a chance of BFD injury is worse than lighter system, or the other way around.There was a recent 'test' of MSV/ESAPI vs 6b45/Granit-5a, and the difference in BFD was staggering simply because 6b45 comes with a trauma pad. They shot it with 7.62x54mmR LPS.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qVAJa0RR0w
>>64193433What about something more tactical?
>>64193421Yo they were buying those Highcums for something like $40/ea and I'm not even joking. Think of how they could possibly be sold by middlemen for $90/plate and turn a profit.
>>64193457My brother in Christ, that is a derringer
>>64193471>derringerthat's a muzzle loader
>>64193450>They're the same weight but its not the same plate, two different manufacturers.Okay, so if we take your word we're short a test report then. I'd be interested to know why they both arrived at precisely the same weight despite being different manufacturers. Usually there's a 0.1lb or 0.2lb variation due to different layups even with similar materials. Copying notes?>certification protocol showing 7N37>They can't be certified for anything else since Russian certification system demands B-32 and 7N13 and nothing elseI'm getting conflicting statements here, lol. Obviously 7N37 isn't part of the GOST 50774-95 2014 revision but that makes the papers seem a little iffy. Who verified the 7N37 is in fact 7N37 and not some knockoff or monday special? Russian B-32 / B-32M or 7N24 / 7N24M was all over the place back in the day.>KBS is supplied in limited quantity with Shelkovo BR5 plates onlyCan I see supporting evidence for that? If I take your word for it that these are diff plates, Shelkovo is still short actual 7N37 protection per their website. That's something you'd really want to advertise as an armor company if your plates were up for it. >but I choose to believe the public/video testsThat's a bad move friend, and is precisely why steel armor is so entrenched here in the states despite being absolute shit.>On topic of the climate panel. It is required for Russian cert because their BFD standards are half of NIJ and like 1/3 of US militaryUS military and NIJ were both 44mm up until the VTP program raised to 58mm. REV. A to REV. J ESAPIs still abide by 44mm, as do XSAPIs A-C and SOCOM's TSA/O / TSA/LTO plates. Steel plates exhibit extremely low BFD, usually sub-15mm unless they're ass, but that's not a reason to use steel.>There was a recent 'test' of MSV/ESAPI vs 6b45/Granit-5aYeah that's certainly a "test..." - I do find it concerning that Buffman mogs the shit out of every Russian "test" I've seen so far, and he's got credibility issues as-is.
>>64193468Yeah the highcom shitshow was legendary. My understanding was that Highcom got the order from the state department, made the strike faces in 2022, had overruns that sat on a shelf for two years, and then glued those strike faces to a thin, crappy fiberglass backer and called them the 4SAS4 - trying to bum the defunct 0101.04 cert from 2008 for a different 4SAS4, that was single curve and not multi-curve, and which had different weights for the same sizes.>Highcom threads obligatory postTHREAD 1:https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62910354/THREAD 2:https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62950094/THREAD 3:https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62982073THREAD 4:https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63009662
Anyways, since we're on the topic of weird body armor, pic related is an AVCO PA500 setup offering Level IV+ protection (3/3 M2AP, 3,000ft/s) in 1970. https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/000608NCJRS.pdf
>>64193484>I'm getting conflicting statements here, lol. Obviously 7N37 isn't part of the GOST 50774-95 2014 revision but that makes the papers seem a little iffy. Who verified the 7N37 is in fact 7N37 and not some knockoff or monday special? Russian B-32 / B-32M or 7N24 / 7N24M was all over the place back in the day.That sounds as dumb as demanding evidence that a 'Special Threat Plate' was tested with REAL M855A1 and not some knockoff monday special. You're just choosing not to believe the document, but that is the penultimate paper to outline a plate's capabilities that is required for certification. This specific manufacturer added extra rounds to the testing protocol to then claim that their plate is BR5+, but officially it carries only BR5 certification since 7n37 is beyond the scope of rating.Shelkovo plate carries BR5 rating with certification, but its testing protocol is not publicly available. Thus one can only concretely say that it is AT LEAST B-32/7n13.>Can I see supporting evidence for that?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KBS_Strelok see references.>Not enoughDeal with it.>That's a bad move friend, and is precisely why steel armor is so entrenched here in the states despite being absolute shit.The problem of US steel armor is that its made by random garage salesmen out of shit that is never certified to be anything. We're discussing rated ceramic plates possibly hitting above their rating into a territory beyond the rating system scope.>Steel plates exhibit extremely low BFD, usually sub-15mm unless they're ass, but that's not a reason to use steel.Russian certification system demands roughly no more than 22mm BFD, hence why there's always a trauma backer even for ceramic plates. With a trauma pad that's like 1" thick alone, the chance of backface injury is miniscule either way.You can see Oxide and GarandThumb both shoot the 6b45 granit 5a plate on video.
>>64193525That's a big plate.
I haven't posted anything on this weird autistic Russian armor debate, but I will say this: EVERY claim I've seen out of Russia AND Ukraine has been bullshit. I'm still laughing at the Hyperion "Super .50 BMG Tungsten-Core Multi-Hit Ceramic-Titanium-Poly" plate failing like wet cardboard vs. weak-ass threats. And the Granit plates have always looked like absolute dogshit given their weight and ICW status.
>>64193530>That sounds as dumb as...M855A1 is basically one step up from garden variety ammo, can be easily acquired, and has a visually distinctive appearance. It's both difficult to convincingly fake and also no real purpose to doing so. It's not hard to stop. Unlike 7N37.>You're just choosing not to believe!Are we talking about the BR5+ or the Shelkovo? The Shelkovo has no document.>that is the penultimate paper to outline a plate's capabilities that is required for certificationThat could be said as "test report.">This specific manufacturer added extra rounds to the testing protocol to then claim that their plate is BR5+Nice of them to do that. Now why doesn't Shelkovo do the same for their plate that is actually going to a combat zone with tungsten threats?>Shelkovo plate carries BR5 rating with certification, but its testing protocol is not publicly available.This is exactly how a bunch of anons got fucked by buying LTC 28595s thinking they were M993-rated per a nonexistent source and not just B-32 API. You're pointing me to an invisible document. That's not a source.>Thus one can only concretely say...And for a nearly 9lb plate that's pathetic. You do realize American plates like the LTC 28570 weigh 4.58lb standalone and stop the same threat, right? Yes, the Russian plates have better multi-hit and BFD reduction but the weight difference is ridiculous.>Kalashnikov Delivers 25,000 Sets of New Strelok Combat Equipment to TroopsMy original statement is that they had kinda impressive armor on paper but not widely issued. Your own source say 25,000 sets. Russia has several times that in KIA alone. How is that wrong? The US buys ESAPIs by the 100,000s. They mog this B-32 API rated shit.>Deal with it.So I'm right? Looks like it.>The problem of US steel armorAlso made by Tencate and AMI, both reputable. Still shit.>With a trauma pad that's like 1" thick aloneWait, so it's 8.8lb and needs a 1" thick trauma pad? This keeps getting worse and worse.
>>64193563Ah yes the Hyperion TITAN-6, multi-hit tungsten core .50 BMG, that got popped by a 7.62x54. Must have been some of that 7N51 I've heard so much about....Here's the thing. If Russian / Ukie armor was this good surely they'd pull a China and sell it here in the states. There are ways around sanctions against Russia. Ukraine has no problem selling gnome counter-thermal cloaks and other gear to the US. Why not Hyperion MEGABONER-8 plates rated for 14.5mm threats?And yeah, basically Hyperion's entire shtick was that they developed a novel superhard titanium alloy that functioned as a second strike face and a super crack arrestor. SiC up first, titanium middle, PE in the back. Seven pound 30-hit Level IV also rated to defeat 7N37 guys. Oh yeah.
>>64193577Now you're just being dishonest by misquoting me. What were you right about? No clue, but it doesn't appear to be that you're interested in filling gaps in your understanding and instead believe there's some kind of 'contest' to be won. I wonder if you even noticed how quickly the goalposts shifted from>muh russia uses soviet platesto>I refuse to believe a plate that stops 7n37 at this weight can exist and have less than 22mm bfd! I refuse to believe russians have ceramic plates, only 25k were issued, that means they don't exist! ESAPIs are more common!
>>64193588lmao, you're giving the plate way too much credit. It looked like wet cardboard vs. ball threats. Who said anything about the mystical and mysterious 7N51?It was 100% a scam.
>>64193606NTA but you haven't posted any proof at all and it looks like you're just making shit up. Also coping real hard, desu
>>64193612NTA but he literally posted links and other guy acknowledged them, now they're arguing semantics but there is proof.
>>64193619Just saw the report. FWIW, 7N37 velocity looks low. 780m/s - around 2550 fps average. Wasn't Buffman getting 2750 fps?
>>64193634Buffman shot it with 29" Mosin. The paper outlines a test from SVDS with 22.2" barrel
>>64193606>Now you're just being dishonest by misquoting meHave a 2,000 word limit around these parts, so I'm not quoting you word by word. I'm sure you can reference your own post to see what I'm responding to.>it doesn't appear to be that you're interested in filling gaps in your understandingBy watching two videos that pinky promise this super plate is able to stop 7N37 when that's not supported by their own manufacturer? They aren't persuasive in the slightest. Precisely like the "LTC 28595 stops M993!!!" chicanery. >instead believe there's some kind of 'contest' to be won.Uh... no? I'm still waiting on the test report for the Shelkovo plates and not a PR video involving an ESAPI that could have been dropped twenty times. There's a million ways to cook youtube tests.>muh russia uses soviet platesMisquoting indeed. I said their legit plates are a mix of older soviet stuff and newer Granits. I did not say they were actively using the soviet shit, just that the soviet plates pass muster. I was talking about armor credibility, primarily, at the time. I said they blew through most of their legit plates, hence why men are going to battle with sheet metal, and you're saying they... get this... no longer have the USSR-era stuff. Thank you for agreeing with me!>I refuse to believe a plate that stops 7n37 at this weight can exist and have less than 22mm bfdYou brought up the Shelkovo disappointment plates, not me. Like >>64193563 said there's some serious credibility issues out of both Russia and Ukraine.>I refuse to believe russians have ceramic platesUh, no, if you read my original post before saying everything in it is wrong you'd see I did say they had ceramic plates. Granits.
>>64193652Keep waiting lol, maybe while you wait you'll read previous posts too while you're at it, try to understand and internalize them.
>>64193652>hence why men are going to battle with sheet metalCan we see some evidence of that?
>>64193610I was jesting about the 7N51. It's similarly another Russian wunderwaffe that's maybe fielded by the five guys who know a guy. They go hand in hand. Russia has sooper plates that can stop elite tungsten threats, and ONLY MOTHER RUSSIA has rounds strong enough to penetrate them. See the connection? Russia stronk guys. Russia beyond silly americans.>>64193612His two videos of "proof" lack a simultaneous chronograph (Buffman) or any proof the "7N37" is 7N37. Look how similar these three 7.62x54R loads look without cutaways. Draw a stripe on and you've got yourself 7N37 alright. M855A1 has an exposed penetrator. It'd be real hard to pass something else off as A1 like he suggested earlier.>>64193619Regarding the "BR5+" commercial plate, which is NOT the same Shelkovo plate he's debating me about. I think he's mistaken (it would be very odd to have two plates, same exact weight same ostensible rating like this unless it's like what India is doing - with DRDO - and having government design directives). Also I'm gonna stop being nice. It's a Russian document, from the land of fake papers for money. Hyperion had scientific papers supporting their super titanium shenanigans. Doesn't make it true. Let's pass this shit over to Element or another western lab and see how it does.>>64193634It's got a sizeable core so velocity isn't as huge a problem as M993 for example. Modern APs tend to sacrifice velocity to increase sectional density and core L/D radio. This trades steel performance for improved counter-ceramic.
>>64193664Ask Radovan. I'll do you one better and show you cardboard. As for the more fortunate ones, they're buying bottom barrel from Aliexpress.
>>64193659>totally nonsensical replyI see Monke is not sending his finest.
>>64193687What the fuck is this? If you have no evidence to your retarded claims, don't say shit like that. Makes you look schizophrenic.
>>64193703Uh, a plate the Ukies recovered that was cardboard and Russians buying shit-ass Aliexpress plates? Exactly what it says on the tin?Guys, Russia has a GDP 74% the size of Texas. They ain't fielding state-of-the-art "NIJ IV+ AVS clones using modern "Shelkovo" plates that can stop 7n37 at 7.7 lbs a piece" - I like the walkback there. Yeah, the plate is 7.7lb, but now you need the soft armor, oh yeah, and you also need the 1" thick trauma pad behind the plate and the soft armor (so how thick is this fucker, 1.6-1.7"?). Even if this thing consistently works, and that's a huge if, the specs are terrible. And they bought 25,000 sets. Impressive. Enough to last them six weeks if they're lucky.
>>64193729What are you rambling about, you schizo. I asked if you could show us men going to battle with sheet metal, and you posted some unrelated nonsense and then went on a tirade.
>>64193740>he devolves into calling people schizo>he ignores the cardboard armor - it's unrelated guys1!1!>also ignores Russians literally buying bottom barrel chinese plates - unrelated guys!1!1!This is sad. This is unironically like watching the Dragonskin shitshow in its final years.
>>64193751do you have evidence that it's cardboard?that image just shows a hole
Alright, let's see.>Fake plates in 2022 - https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2022/10/19/new-russian-soldiers-issued-with-fake-body-armor/>Plywood armor - https://www.reddit.com/r/lazerpig/comments/1dx3q7n/russian_servicemen_checking_out_their_brand_new/I'd like to see Radovan's source on the sheet metal, but going off the above it's not surprising in the slightest. Their new armor is 7N37-rated though guys. It will deliver the final victory over the hohols and drive Russia straight into the heart of capitalist Kiev. Russian 7N51 will pierce through five meters of concrete and wallbang the HATO villians in the next two week.
>>64193767Maybe the dead guy who was wearing it? I don't think it worked too well. We've got four sources so far indicating Russia was pushing out fake / ass-tier armor as of 2022.
airsoft russian warriors
>>64193002>0%Might wanna check your math cowboy
>>64193777There's no body in the picture.
>>64193784You fugger I was gonna drop that image>>64193786Who makes this? Asking for my girlfriend of course>>64193801He disintegrated Anyway, First Aid field manual decided to spook me just now
>>64193687lol aren't those /gq/-recommended, buffman approved Militech plates?
>>64193801But a whole lot of gear that was impliedly on a body. Obviously NACP Ukraine is going to be biased towards Ukraine, but we've got PR videos from Russia as evidence on the other side so the bar isn't very high. Considering the other, multiple sources indicating fake / shit armor is being fielded, I'm inclined to believe the cardboard claim. The forbes article states they were given fake plates. Airsoft granits are all over the place.Oh yeah, here's some really piss-poor steel plates too.https://x.com/JSukraine2022/status/1562874902981382144This one might be the "sheet metal" Radovan was talking about. Guy literally bends it in half.https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1581708111500279808?The state of the Russian armor industry. Meanwhile the US has $77 million worth of XSAPIs dicking around in storage.
>>64193822That was the exact video I was talking about, the comedic red pieces of metal
>>64193822>Demands documents for every claim.>Defends his claims by posting twitter linksI am so tired of you war tourists.
>>64193816Negative captain. These are bottom barrel plates made by Linry or another similar "white label" concern. These are C-grade (at best) plates. No QC. Big cheat rings. $21 a plate in bulk. Better than this is Aholdtech and Jinwudun, then Militech and Longfri. Militech is the best known Chinese armor manufacturer, and even they are completely dishonest as to why they have no NIJ certifications. Longfri has one NIJ cert for a very irrelevant Level III PE plate.Also if you've been here a minute you should know Buffman's rep around here is shot in the ass after the 4SUS4 debacle. His (compensated by virtue of affiliate links) approval holds little weight after he "restored trust" in Highcom after that Chase C&D and paid no mind to his 10oz overweight RMA 1192. Militech uses his videos on their website and have scarcely any other proof their stuff performs. A couple test reports, a few other youtubers. Hell of a lot more than these 7N37 Russian plates. Buffman alone is much more scientific.>>64193807Jinwudun sucka.>Regular version: https://jinwudun.com/products/nij-iiia-tactical-bulletproof-skirt-nylon-fabric-equipped-with-laser-cut-molle-system-pe-material>Russian: https://jinwudun.com/products/nij-iiia-bulletproof-skirt-armor-tactical-skirt-armor-laser-cutting-multifunctional-molle
>>64193830>Lol. Are the Ukies deepfaking these red pieces of metal? Is this AI? Are the hohols gonna make you cry, shidd and piss ur pants?They are literally breaking Russian armor with their bare hands. Also some ex-soviet stuff too, so our friendly Russian anon is basically off on all counts. Sad.Nice dickflaps though, also courtesy of Jinwudun. Lot of Jinwudun over there. Russia is #1 Jinwudun customer.
>>64193836>300 schmacks I could buy 3 PASGT vests or 30 choccy chip shirts for that money. Maybe I will buy 3 PASGT vests and sow them together somehow
>STANDING HERE>I REALIZE>YOU WERE JUST LIKE ME>TRYING TO SELL FAKE-ASS PLATES>BUT WHO'S TO JUDGE>THE STEEL FROM SHIT>WHEN OUR TITANIUM'S FAKE>I THINK WE'LL BOTH AGREE>THAT OUR SHIT BREEDS SHIT>BUT IN THE END I GOTTA SAVE FOR A NEW YACHT
>>64193859Oh man I gotta show you their other shit.>FEARLESS X (AND NO SEX): https://jinwudun.com/products/level-nij-iv-fearless-x-full-protection-tactical-body-armor-vest>FEARLESS X INCREASED:https://jinwudun.com/products/level-nij-iv-fearless-x-full-protection-bulletproof-vest-nylon-material-tactical-bulletproof-vest-with-increased-protection?>SSO Raider in Russian camohttps://jinwudun.com/products/nij-iiia-iv-heavy-raider-sso-original-oem-special-forces-tactical-bulletproof-vest-tactical-vest-suit>When Russia bought Chinese armor, it was the most important day of your life, but for BISON, it was... tuesday:https://jinwudun.com/products/bisonlevel-iiia-iv-full-protection-bulletproof-vest-military-tactical-vestThe prices aren't terrible, but again, we're in the weeds of B-grade no-cert Chinesium and they're light on test reports. The fact the Russians are their only major customer should tell you something, given the red wonder plates, golf carts, assault golf carts, donkeys...If he had modern materials, this is the kind of shit Hitler would have the Volkssturm put in January 1945 to convince them they were gonna win.
>>64193880>IF YOU'RE DUMB ENOUGH TO BUY A NEW SET OF ARMOR THIS WEEKEND,>YOU'RE A BIG ENOUGH SCHMUCK TO BUY FROM JINWUDUN'S ARMOR>BAD DEALS>ARMOR THAT FAILS>fleas>IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND A BARGAIN AT JINWUDUN ARMOR,>YOU CAN KISS MY ASS!>IT'S OUR BELIEF THAT YOU'RE SUCH A STUPID MOTHERFUCKER YOU'LL FALL FOR THIS BULLSHIT!>GUARANTEED!>IF YOU FIND CHEAPER ARMOR>SHOVE IT UP YOUR UGLY ASS>YOU HEARD US RIGHT>SHOVE IT UP YOUR UGLY ASS!>ORDER NOW!
>>64193976>Bring your ACH, bring your ESAPI, bring your wife! We'll fuck her! That's right, we'll fuck your ESAPI!>Because at Jinwudun, you're fucked six ways from Maruipol!>Put on a skirt with Jinwudun, the home of challenge! That's right, challenge pissing!>How does it work? If you can piss six feet in the air straight up after getting your legs blown off by a Ukrainian drone, you get a free skirt!>Don't wait, don't delay, don't fuck with us, or we'll forgot the armor inserts for your femboy armor package!>Only at Jinwudun, the only dealer that tells you to shake that ass!>Hurry up, asshole! This $300 armored trench hooker deal ends the minute after you write us a check, and it better not bounce or you're going to get it up your Aholetech!
>breachingLads, why don't I ever see drones on /gq/? Seems like it would suit you guys well. When I larp with my bros and we check out abandoned factories and whatnot, I always bring picrel. It's the analog version, so it only costs 180 or so, so it's no big deal if I lose it. It's easy to Crack open a window and fly it inside, then check out all the rooms and see if the building is free of crackheads. Seems like a really good tool if you have friends and coms.
>>64194043>Seems like a really good tool if you have friends and coms.Well... you see...
>>64193880I'm tempted to get some of there stuff and try it out.
>>64194043honestly surveillance is a far more important thing than most think about, well that and information.I just got the 1969 version of the improvised munitions handbook and while invaluable in the sense of info I find it lacking, but we're nearly 60 years removed from what's currently available.
>>64194060They're claiming to not charge VAT or customs duty to any customers, so as it stands they're a LOT cheaper than $150 prepaid import fees Militech.It'd be interesting to see how well their plates work given they can't even get the velocity right on what NIJ Level IV is. Also they're claiming certified on all their armor... which is... not the case. JINWUDUN Protective Technology Co., Ltd is nowhere on the CPL.>https://jinwudun.com/products/nij-iv-level-ceramic-bulletproof-plate-ceramic-coverage-100-full-coverage-of-silicon-carbide-ceramic-bulletproof-plate?
>>64194093I was thinking more of there soft armor since it's harder to fuck up, and it's easier for me to test to NIJ standards. but I might as well get some plates also.
>>64194109Totally up to you. They've got a plateframe ripoff with two Level III plates included for $250.00. That's an outrageously good deal on paper, but you know, China. The plates are 2.4lb a pop, so 0.2lb heavier than a Hesco 3800 or so. I imagine probably cheat-ringed.https://jinwudun.com/products/nij-iii-level-06-hollow-bulletproof-vest-water-proof-tactical-vest-lightweight-quick-release-bulletproof-vest?
>>64194126maybe, I'll have to sleep on it. but there stuff is cheap enough that I wouldn't be apposed to spending the money on it.
Also they've got shields out the ass and on the cheap. If you live in a body armor ban state (CT - online only, NY total ban) these might fly since you don't "wear" them. Not a lawyer / not legal advice.
>>64194140>body armor ban stateDude that's a meme, no fuggin way
>>64194153I don't know what to tell you pal.https://dos.ny.gov/body-armor
This thread is the most publicity Jinwudun has or will probably ever get. Many such cases, sad.
>>64194158This is the peak of "gun control only harms law abiding citizens"
>>64194184The idea is that because one groomed-by-the-FBI ass wore a pair of RMA 1092s (big lawsuit about that), and ALLEGEDLY they blocked a shot from a security guard for him, nobody in NY can be trusted with armor unless they're tangentially related to the government.It is a pitiful situation all around.Kind of like the armor industry in a nutshell.
What is the utmost highest voltage I can run in my PNV-57E's? I notice that when I run it on 12 volts it is brighter than when I run it on 9 volts, so I presume that higher voltage=higher brightness
>>64194067Absolutely. There's a huge benefit to having a flying camera inside the room that your bros are about to enter. I just can't seem to find a good way to carry my drone, radio and goggles on my belt/plate carrier.
>>64194477>dronebackpack >radiopouch or pocket>gogglespresume NODs, you can have it on your head or you can have it in one of those hard or soft cases like they make for the PVS-7, but I wouldn't know
>>64193041If you look at the V50 / V100 of soft armor and the velocities of various frag weight of various mortar / arty calibers at various distances you'll see that basically everything landing <30m from you will penetrate, and for high caliber arty even at 50/60/70m.For my balls I'd wear ballistic underwear like the tier 1 protective undergarment with inserts + ballistic diaper like the English thing idk the name + dick flap
>>64171624ruskies made that unfortunately it's unobtainium now, it's a copy of an american product that is even more unobtainium in yurop
>>64194466well they are designed to run on 12V (or 24V you have to adjust something in the power supply block) so no wonder they are better with 12V than 9V
Bigass ruck recommendations/considerations?First thing is that I think most people will never need such a big ruck, only guys needing it will be ppl doing days long long range recon with no resupply like sf, and ppl walking to interdicted positions having to carry weeks of materiel and supply like in Ukraines trenches, in general you only need those packs if you're not going to be resupplied for a very long time, otherwise a normal sized ruck will suffice.Your ruck contents will be composed of a base line that you'll carry regardless of how long you're going to stay, and itll vary dpeending on your envirnoment + sustainment that scales up depending on the lenght of your stay.So sleeping bag, puffer jacket, goretex, poncho, medkit, change of socks base layer etc, the variable part will be food and water, batteries and ammo.For most cases I'd say the biggest rucks will be too big, example MR 6500, mountain ruck, in most cases you'd be using smaller ones like the SATL, blackjack 80, MALICE, jakaari XL etcAnyway I'm curious to hear about what you guys use and why and your considerations in general on your use case and why you use what you use, and also vertical tubular packs vs tick sized onesThe way I see it there's 3/4 categories of packsAssault pack, patrol pack, and then 2 rucks one smaller and one bigger but you could use just one for both roles
Anyone else snag one of those DPM p83 chest rig repros from kommando this weekend? I know it's a pretty dated design, but I like the multi-platform aspect of it and I've wanting a DPM chest rig that's a bit less bulky than my NI rig
>>64195158Thats what I got atmAssault pack: camelbak hawg (but I also considered taking a mystery ranch 3dap as a bigger alternative, with maybe savotta 3x3 side pouches on the sides)Patrol pack: savotta kantamus 40 + 2x 6L pouches on the side (might consider adding another 2 to the front)Ruck: mystery ranch SATL, might consider adding 2 US sustainment pouches or savotta 6/8L pouches on the side if I need more volumeBig ruck: don't know, I have a 6500 and mountain ruck but I'm selling them, otherwise a savotta jakaari XL/RP with external pouches and kantamus lid would be fine too.
>>64192369ngl crossdraw is pretty okay. I do it for dirt bikes / ATV's.
>>64194483>backpackI can't just throw a drone in a backpack, the smaller drones I use have a lot of plastic parts. I'd need a backpack with a padded pocket or something. >pouchDrone radios are fuckhuge. I don't have a padded pouch that's remotely big enough>gogglesThe goggles are also pretty large, and way too big to put in one of those pvs7 cases, and too big and floppy to wear on your head while you're not using it.
>>64194477I wanna get in on this drone meta. What's your setup?
What's the preferable way to "mount" or use a radio antenna on a plate carrier? Folding whips look cool but I dont want to stop and have to unfold it every time I want to transmit and then refold it before I get back to larping. Flexible antennas that people seem to have a boner for weaving through their rear plate bag don't make sense to me and don't seem very effective in use. Right now I just have a signal stick on my radio at my 11 o clock and I tuck the tip of the antenna into my shoulder pad, but there must be a better way
Need a small flashlight that I can carry on my person, any recommendations? Preferably something hardy, I've been looking at Streamlight
>>64195822if you need to communicate only nearby with your team an antenna around 30cm will be enough with the usual 3 to 8 watts of the handled radios.If you are the radio guy communicating with the base you'll need a folding whip to have a longer antenna but you don't need to refold it every time as it is your job to do the radio stuff, you can have something as simple as picrel or juste a molle antenna holder or just use some stuff you have laying around
>>64195856I hope this non answer was AI generated
>>64195798Gor my larperator setup, I went with the smallest, lightest, cheapest gear for convenience. The two drones i use are the mobula 7, which at the time was the best tiny drone (they're called whoops) you could get. I'm sure they make better ones now. The radio is a radiomaster pocket, which is the smallest express elrs (that's the most common drone protocol) radio available. The goggles are analog fatshark echo. The other drone is a rekon3 nano. The unique thing about that drone is that it uses 18650 batteries, which can be at full charge indefinitely unlike lipo batteries. I have a digital setup that I use for filming and such, but digital typically costs a lot more than analog.
>>64195908What do you do with your fucking radio ? It's very likely you don't need an antenna so long you have to fold it
>>64195798My digital setup was about 1200 dollars when I bought it. The drone is a rotor riot skylite 3" using 2.5" props and ducts to protect the props while indoors. It's an extremely rugged drone with an all carbon fiber frame and 3d printed tpu ducts, which are nigh indestructible. The goggles are fatshark recon HD and the radio is a radiomaster boxer, which while it's a great radio, it's fuckhuge, so I use the aforementioned pocket radio unless I'm filming. Digital drones have much better cameras compared to analog, but the goggles cost more and it adds probably 100 dollars or so to the cost of the drone. I would definitely recommend an analog setup for a beginner because of the likelihood of your drone getting broken or lost due to pilot error. I think the analog mobula 7 is your best bet, since the size allows you to practice indoors any time you want, which vastly increases your flight time for learning. There's a huge learning curve.
>>64195922I asked about attaching an antenna to a plate carrier. You're getting mad that I don't sneed a folding antenna based on your imagination. Quit while you're behind
>>64195041>ruskies made that unfortunately it's unobtainium nowThere are still plenty of PNV-57E's in the US along with the other gen 0 models.>>64195059>adjust something in the power supply blockThat thing is like a 20KV transformer last time I checked, and I'm no electrician >>64195764Ah, I presumed you meant the regular versions of those things, but I reckon somebody out there makes an internally padded backpack
>>64196034>ruskies made that unfortunately it's unobtainium nowsorry I was talking about the soft "helmet" with a NVG adapter>That thing is like a 20KV transformer last time I checked, and I'm no electricianYup it transforms 12V to some tens of Kv, but some tanks are in 12V and other ones in 24V but it will automatically detect and adapt to the power supply, although it's 12V or 24V, nothing else so stay with the 12V
>>64195994>I asked about attaching an antenna to a plate carrier.Not really :get one of the dozens of existing molle antenna holder then ?
>>64196259fuggers are really out here putting their NODs on shower caps
>>64196322I can't walk around with a helmet on the head in yurop, anon, I'll go in jail for terrorismNVGs are ok only if they aren't attached to something so even with that I can face charges for regulated device possession, funny enough they are in the same category as nuclear warheads and warships
>>64195958>>64195919NTA but thx. I've been meaning to get into the drone game for a while.
Streamlight or Olight?
>>64196424streamlight. olights are bombs.
>>64195853Olight i3E, unironically btfo's the Streamlights in that size range.
>>64196424Question you should be asking and one this thread can't answer is Surefire vs Modlite vs Arisaka vs Cloud Defensive, Streamlights not bad but its budget.
>>64196438Yeah btfo really emphasizing "blow" as in blow up in your hand
>>64196436All flashlights running on 18650 (and similar) batteries are bombs, carrying that around in your pocket is retarded. An Olight with an AA or AAA can't "explode". You'd have to light an AAA on fire and *keep* it on fire for a long ass time for it to even leak.
>>64196471Yes, a single AAA battery flashlight will take your hand clean off. You have no idea what you're even talking about. Go back.
>>64196341>regulated device possessionWhere in Europe do you live where NOD's are regulated? Are fucking rangefinders regulated too?Also I don't know if a tanker helmet actually counts as a helmet, it's more a hat with ear pro
>>64196484I never said that, but they are known to break and explode
>>64196491>Where in Europe do you live where NOD's are regulatedSounds like Germany.
>>64196472well, you see, calling an olight a bomb is funny, so I'm going to keep doing it.
>>64196493You literally replied to a post recommending a single AAA powered flashlight and said it will blow up. Fuck off back to R*ddit, retard. An i3T (I called it the wrong thing in the original post, oops) is universally agreed upon as the best flashlight in the small flashlight category by just about everyone.
>>64196491France also has the same restriction on nods, but airsofters use them all the time.
Fastest I've seen gq hit bump limit in a while. Thanks russian fanfic plate poster and olight exploder
>>64195919>>64195958Awesome, much obliged for the writeup.
>>64196491gen 3 nods are ITAR regulated, it some European countries you can't own them. that's why 2+ is so common.
>>64196514these are great, I have 3 of them. For 15 dollars, it can't be beat. Olight also has a great warranty. I've broken a few of their lights and they replaced them no questions asked.
>>64196660Based alibabamaxxer
>>64196403>>64196527The sooner you get into it, the better. Putting in hours is going to make you a good pilot. Don't expect to be flying in doors with a 3-5" drone without a ton of practice. From my observations, simply hovering in place without crashing takes the average pilot at least a week to figure out, if not longer. It takes a very light hand on the throttle. Use "angle" mode, not air or acro mode if your goal is not to crash. The required skill difference between angle and acro is astronomical. Angle mode means your drone's gyros will keep it relatively balanced during flight, and will limit your pitch and yaw, but not throttle. Definitely start out with a whoop (mobulas are way more durable than betafpvs in my experience) and although the big radios look nice, the radiomaster pocket is so convenient that 90% of pilots use it if they're not doing photography. And make sure that your gear is express elrs, not frsky. That way you can just use all of your drones with the same radio.
>>64196522My proper people are fucked it seems>>64196529Hell even is the difference from 2+ and 3?
>>64196467>Surefire vs Modlite vs Arisaka vs Cloud Defensivestreamlight
>>64196885I do like Streamlight but what is your reasoning?
>>64196467>streamlight isn't badWhen it comes to wml, they're good. I've had more streamlights than I can remember, and I've never had a single problem with one of them. Both pistol lights and long gun lights. If a brand has never failed me, and they do as advertised, there's simply no reason to spend more.
>>64197032its everything I need at 1/2 to 1/4 the price of the othersWhy would I give money to companies trying to rip me off?
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