Post gear, discuss gear.MultiCam Black editionOld: >>64983636
Goddamn this thing looks like such ass. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xovC1DiDlEAHow far will companies go to avoid paying for Tubes?The plates look retarded too.
Remember: anyone who doesn't want you to own a high power IR laser is a fed-glowie fag.
>>65005166Nice AI pic nigger
>>65005179It's me in the pic, faggot. My aliexpress cloak came in.
>>65005181Your plastic hardware melted and the forward grip went thru your hand? Also where's the ejection port?
>>65004748CVC size L should work, they're pretty big desu. Make sure you get the 132B shell if you want any ballistic rating. You can find them for about 300 refurbished and kitted out. >picrel
Getting tired of this AI cloak faggotry.
/gq/ Infographic Emporium:https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6Legacy Infographic Reserve: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF>Last time on /gq/, Anon's gear was burning red. Battle of the autisms PART MORE on 4lb DEVGRU Ceradyne Level IV. VelSys invented a new plate size. Gilliam sells 2lb all-PE plates.>QUICK ARMOR GUIDE 2.165CODE: * = active NIJ-cert, ^ = NEEDS SOFT ARMOR, DND = do not drop, ** = military.>Special Rifle Threat (M855A1, no M80 <44mm BFD):Budget: Hesco T212 or L211Mid-Range: Hesco M210High-End: Hesco U210 / U211, LSAPI**, or Tencate CR-6450SA.>CONUS Minimum (M80, M855, M193):Budget: Expired Hesco 3611C, surp SAPI**^, or Gilliam 6001Mid-Range: Hesco 3612* or 3810*High-End: Hesco 3811* or 3811LV^DNDElite: Used Cercom CER-EMH**^>CONUS Medium (M80 + M855A1 or BZ API):Budget: Used Protech 2120-5Mid-Range: Hesco 3411* or LTC 19513High-End: LTC 28780**Elite: VelSys PBZSA** or LTC 28791** or Hesco SC3812Elite-Plus: Used Ceradyne MH3 CQB**^DND (10x M995) or used Cercom CER-SOPS**^>CONUS Optimal (M855A1 + M80A1):Budget: Highcom 3S9 (SAPI-cut)Mid-Range: Used LTC 28550** / 28590** or Highcom 3S9M* (SAPI-cut!)High-End: Used LTC 28595**Elite: Used LTC 28570** or VelSys TSA**Elite-Plus: Tyr XHA4/S6/T(DND) or GEN 6 LTC TSA**>Level IV / CONUS High (.30-06 M2AP):/pfg/: Used Protech 2014G or Gilliam 1023Budget: Hesco 4403* (bare minimum)Mid-Range: Hesco 4601* (+ Level III) or surp ESAPI**^ (REV. G-J preferable, adds M995 / 3x M2AP vs 1x)High-End: Hesco 4800(DND), 4800LV^DND, or Protech 9812-R1(DND)Elite: Tencate CXP-800 SA or Ceradyne SOF ESAPI MK.II**^DNDElite-Plus: Ceradyne SAEC**DND(??)>Level IV+ / CONUS Extreme (Various)Budget: Protech 2230 (fast M2AP, $300/set used)Budget-Tungsten: Gilliam 8002 (.300 Winmag Swiss P AP)Mid-Range: Adept Colossus (7.62x51 Swiss P) or REV. C XSAPI**^ (M993)High-End: Rev. D XSAPI**^ (M993+)Elite: ECSAPI** (M993)Elite-Plus: Ceradyne 96034** (7.62x51 Swiss P)
>>65005178but my high powered lasers legitimately wash out my target under night vision so I cannot see it.
>>65005234That's why you get variable power...
>>65005240Yeah...
>>65005234>Laughs in SMS where you can just turn the laser down lolololol>>65005176Consensus is they fucked up on the carrier. I'm mixed on the plates. 20% more coverage is welcome, but I ain't interested in boutique shit only supported by one player that locks 80% of their stuff behind credentials. More coverage means more weight, and as expressed last thread a 20% per plate weight penalty (vs SAPI M) is brutal.
>>65005244Is this still required for LS LAMs? Or do their current mounts hold up?
>>65005246The carrier looks unironically Condor-tier. The plates are just dumb. The Israelis and the UK Army both experimented with oversized plates, and both of them shitcanned that shit as quickly as they could. I know that in the UK soldiers absolutely hated it. The Osprey rig was bombproof, but the plates were just too heavy. I think that Velsys is pushing all poly plates. You tell me, is there any point to that?
>>65005166I will admit that is bang on with the actual appearance of the Tactical Rizz Cloak. I think the real thing was designed by AI.Further review:1. It is really badass.2. The straps walk so tie them down well.3. To the surprise of nobody, it is ergonomically a pain in the ass.Thank you for your attention to this matter!
>>65005267For the M3, yes.
Should I get this or nahhttps://botach.com/team-wendy-exfil-ballistic-helmet-x-velcro-panel-ranger-green-medium-large/
>>65005273>The carrier looks unironically Condor-tier.They forgot to cook.>The plates are just dumb.It reminds me of the Crye-Ceradyne stuff from twenty years ago that also (surprise!) went nowhere. SAPI, Shooters, and Swimmers have been entrenched for decades.>The Israelis and the UK Army both experimented with oversized plates, and both of them shitcanned that shit as quickly as they could.As did GIGN, Jagdkommandos, and other Euro SOF. Integris is no stranger to higher coverage plates. Some of their older plates went as large as 15x16" full-torso. It makes sense for limited high risk entry where operation duration is short, sustainment gear is minimal, and the risk of getting shot is very high, can't bring a shield, and you're maybe 200 feet from OPFOR. Beyond that it's bad news. The only guys running huge plates now are the Indians, 13.5x16.5". See pic rel.>The Osprey rig was bombproof, but the plates were just too heavy.A Hesco 4403 in SAPI M is 7.9lb. The same plate in VelSys' "Wraith" cut, size medium front, would be ~9.5lb. I think that speaks for itself. Also the front and back are different shapes so say hello to higher prices and more logistics. Hooray.>I think that Velsys is pushing all poly plates. You tell me, is there any point to that?On further review I agree the VS-PSCW is probably an all-PE plate, probably rated for 7.62x39mm... PS aka M43. The plate's name is probably PS Concealable Wraith, similar to how the PBZSA is Plate, BZ (API), Stand Alone.>Is there any point to that?It's the only way to make this new "20% more, more more!" plate cut look nice on paper. The US is adopting an all-PE plate called the ULWSAPI (ultra-lightweight SAPI), so there is merit, but no protection against M855 is always going to be a major issue.Any plate that loses to M855 will also lose to M855A1 even at massive standoff / reduced velocity. See >65004767 for more weight estimates. The numbers are frankly ugly unless rating is well under ESAPI.
>>65005369and I goofed on the link, woops. >>>65004767Pic rel is a comparison of the Crye-Ceradyne ergo plates and the new VelSys ergo plates.
Quadnods are just giga nigger onions goggles for sloperators
>>65005567Harsh words. What would the digital quadnods on fleabay for $1,100 be, then? Will we eventually have hexa-nods, two pointed behind you and overlayed like COTI so you can see behind you stereoscopically without having to turn your head? It's the old "put a bus mirror on your shotgun" cop trick except way more high tech and way more expensive.
>>65005178Anyone who doesn't want you to own a 200mW blinding laser dazzler is a bitch timmy
>>65005575>So you can see behind youWhat the hell is with this general coming up with some of the most retarded shit lately?
>>65005850>too new to know this is an actual product>what is I'm clearly taking the piss, AlexAnons these days...
>>65005850We like to have fun frendoAlso FYI, there's several sets of Hesco L210s and one set of T212s on fleabay for around $300 each set. Not sure if I missed the memo on something or people are just upgrading.
>>65005181>It's meYou are a very handsome man. You look kinda like a homeless Mel Gibson. Vey dashing, in an ex fent addict way.
>>65005198You have a very low tolerance for faggotry, because it can get waaay more gay in here, girlfren!
>>65006146Go ahead and finish what you were saying
>>65005850>>So you can see behind youIf you don't have a pic mounted, tactical rear view/ma kek up compact on your max AR, you're dead already.
>>65005179You cannot recognize the official /GQ magazine cover?
>>65006153Kinda like a homo gin ass blend of Brad Pitt and Benicio Del Toro. I just can't pin your phenotype down.
What are some more concealable rigs besides unity clutch? I am revisiting an old concept… office warfare. Think to the old briefcase mp5k’s and Mac’s.
>>65006161Reporting for duty with my five pound steel face mask sir! I can't breathe and I am already 110% disabled with five neck fusions!Long live Tardigrade Industries!
>>65006197At that point, just carry a small bag. No one would give a shit if you just brought in a small backpack with all that shit in it.
>>65005304Anyone? Yes or no? I don’t have a helmet yet.
>>65006203ahahahahahaDo you think they've sold one of those yet? I want to buy it simply for meme potential. I don't think I'd ever want to wear it. It would be a novelty paperweight, doorstop, fishing boat anchor, punchline.Long live Tardigrade Industries!
>>65006248$700 for meme potential? I mean it's your money, but that's ten aliexpress rizz cloaks. Could even get a jade status discount and buy twelve. Fuck it, if you're that much of a baller they'll do a custom run with IIIA PE or aluminum insulation woven in! Think of the potential good relations with CHINA can bring! Thank you for your attention to this matter!>Do you think they've sold one yet?I dunno. I assume any review samples out there were sent out. $700 is a major ass stinger when a Jinwudun transparent shield is like $110. People can't fly big cash anymore on wildcard gear, especially when it's five pounds and still IIIA. Literally strapping a Hesco 4800 to your face would be lighter.
>>65006228>No one would give a shit if you just brought in a small backpackNta, but I specifically bouht a grey and purple strap trim day bag just to look as non-tactical as possible. All my other shit is coyote w/molle. Itsa cute! Too small for an AR, pistol even. But that was the point, a sandwich, compact umbrella, rain shell, a water bottle, sunglasses pouch and a compact hg hidden under all that shit.
>>65006229I'm kind of a no, just based upon my personal experience with Botach. Seems like a nice lid.
>>65006228No bags, amigo. It has to be readily deployable either on person or with the flick of a switch. As a professional, I need to be ready at a moments notice in case Accounting sends a kill team upstairs.
>>65006300Seconded. For the record, this is a company that has sold more than a hundred sets of expired, NIJ revoked, and potentially recalled lot Hesco plates, with the NIJ compliant labeling intact. 4400s, 4600s, 3410s, and 3610s. These are all plates that had their NIJ certs revoked for failing follow up testing and then having unresolved safety concerns. Huge recalls years ago.>"GREAT CONDITION, ALL SALES FINAL" - BotachWith that in mind, do you really wanna buy lifesaving equipment from these guys?
>>65006308>in case Accounting sends a kill team upstairsBased second story schitzo.
>>65006296I personally like tnf bags. I have a vault that has held up as a multi-purpose bag. It’s served as a commute bag, range bag, travel bag, camping bag, etc. my only complaint is the lack of hip belt, but that’s kind of beyond the bag’s purpose.
>>65006296I've got a multicam hill people gear fanny pack that I just wear on my chest every day. I don't really care about looking non-tactical, seeing as everyone in there knows I have a gun on me, and multiple other people have cc's with them as well.>>65006308Then I guess a unity clutch is the move, if you want to strap a handgun, multiple mags, tourniquet, knife and baofeng radio to yourself, every single day.
>>65006328>tnf bagsMine's a North Face I have no idea what model. Possible discontinued, but very sublime.
>>65006343That is the plan. Just wondering what else is out there. Dank robber might be a close second. I’m also toying with the idea of shoulder rigs. Think like that mp5 one but for Uzi or Glock mags. Ever hear of a hostile takeover? Gotta defend against those.
>>65006372>hostile takeoverYou mean rape? Just say rape.
>>65006371>TNF>The North FaceThey’re good bags. 28-30L hits that sweet spot for a do-everything bag in my opinion. I want to upgrade to a 40L for some of my more rural trips but hip belt is mandatory for those. Learned the hard by fucking up my knee for a bit by carrying a bag rocks around the UK.
>>65006382In a sense. When a competitor tries to rape your company, you gotta rape back harder.
>>65006396Hesco vs Highcom 2K26
>>65006387I assumed 'The' was obvious and went for the familiar.
>>65006396Is rape justified if it was in self defense
>>65006476GRIFFITTTTH!
>>65006476A2 is just getting (even more) weirdo.
>>65006476>>65006482If it was every guy on Arfcom vs horny A2Grape, my money is on this guy. He would fuck em
>>65006494I would not want to go camping or hang out with some weirdo who runs around with an AR, gimp mask and his dick hanging out waiting for everyone to fall asleep so he can use his nightvision for buggering off innocent incels just trying to do a nugfest and eat some special brownies. What a perv.
>>65006432Oh… Yeah. It kind of is, but I wasn’t sure. It’s been a long day. >>65006476I always wondered how the handguard was retained here. Just the delta? Or is there a lo/pro in front of it?
>>65006512A2Grape specializes in breaching tools to penetrate hardened structures. His Bushido Tactical pry bar expands up to 72" but can fit into compact pipes.
>>65006535A2 said it has a lo/pro
>>65006512Haha yeah that would suck sooooooooo much ahahaha noooooo A2Grapw don't rape my butt noooo that would suck so hard hah don't force feed me ypur cum brownies noooooo
>>65006558That is concerning but also I’ve been looking at doing this for a meme ar build. We very well may be able to go sub 4lbs via this method. The numbers for handguards gets tricky. Drop ins can come close to kmr and fiber weights at half cost when done right.
>>65006562Rumor has it the Aliexpress Rizz Cloak is a talisman against A2Grape. See how he hides when the rizz cloak appears.
>>65006476Is that really A2? Fucking hell
Anyone here have experience with using the avs padded yoke with the avs? How does it compare to the harness?
>>65006678Yeah
This is possibly in the running for most retarded yet comfy gq of all time
>>65005192thank you my dude, for being the first one in 12 years i been asking, that had an actual answer. also fuck team wendy and their $2500 bare shells.
>>65006578Total Bruce Wayne/Batman equation: cloak = no A2, no cloak = A2. COINCIDENCE?
>>65005192That lid looks remarkably pristine. Asshat.
This is now a belt kit/LBE threadPattern 83 battle jackets are amazing and still some of the best LBE kits to this day. Apparently, Kommando Store may be making a Pattern 84 battle jacket in the near future. I emailed Ivan back and forth sometime last year asking about it and was very surprised to learn they were working on prototypes. Speculate on what it might look like and features. >>65007040Best of luck, i hope the CVC works out>>65007225Yeah
>>65006678Might make a nice upgrade to the TAPS.
>>65007470Is the TAPS any good? This is more a FLC house.
>>65007526I like mine; like a kangaroo pouch for mags. I need a new pic, I cut all the mag pouch flaps off and added elastic retainers. The harness is the weakness.
>>65007465>Speculate on what it might look like and features.Low qualityPreorder with missed delivery dateWrong colorwaysNobody at KS goes outside
>>65007909>those videos of them shooting in the mountains are green screenI knew it.
>>65008006saw 1 vid of one of them covered in head tattoos and lost all respectcan't find it, think he wears a balaclava 24/7 now
>>65008006Magdump at trash and then going home is not going outside.
>>65008085
>>65008107Literally 30ft off a highway turnoff in the national forest dude.
>>65007169The rizz cloak protects from A2Grape.
New rig request. I have a feeling I’m going to be making an infographic later. Best rig for 20 round ar15 mags?
>>65008107>instagram moment
>>65008592>Best rig for 20 round ar15 mags?A.L.I.C.E. for the win.
>>65008592Your infographic says the Kenwood radio is only 800 dollars but I'm seeing claims of 8000 dollars.
>>65008635True, but what else bro? Chicom t63 maybe.>>65008659Not my infographic. Good on you for doing homework though.
>>65008659First or second hand?>>65008668Congratulations, the council of rizzlers has appointed you as the second infograph anon
>>65005166Does anyone have the AWS universal mag pouch? Im looking at getting one to mount on my belt kit to replace my LC1 pouches, my main issue is if it fits 7.62x39 ak mags. It seems like it would but im not sure if its too stiff. Also anyone know any good belt kit specific mag pouches that fit 7.62x39 ak mags and 308 fal mags well? The suputnik gear AR/AK mag pouch is basically perfect but a friend has one and says he highly doubts FAL mags would fit in it.
>>65008684New, though even finding that is based upon other people bitching about the prices from dealers on forums. I wasn't able to find any explicitly for sale either from dealers (apparently they are territorial throughout the US) or/and wasn't sure where to look for used radios.
>>65008805Yeah, infograph price was second hand for that one. Ebay IIRC. 8k is ridiculous and it isn't remotely worth that much.
>>65008870For some reason in my brain ebay wasn't an option. Still hefty as hell prices.
>>65006701I love it, I'm sure the end of this will be the armor autist but I'm sure having fun. Look what I found on bass pro used. Should I buy it anons?
>>65008895Yeah fuck that, could buy a pair of 4lb concealable Ceradyne Level IVs for that.>patiently awaits Neetmaster to go NO THAT'S IMPOSSIBRU for round 3...>>65008944I uh... I... I'm also the rizz cloak guy. My autism extends beyond just plates. I dunno about that piece though. Fun gun, style statement. Would look great with a pimp cloak, a black metallica t shirt, khaki shorts, and air force 1s. Appalachian rizz warrior build. Defender of the weed grow.
>>65009023> 4lb concealable Ceradyne Level IVsThey're not Level IV. You're making it up. But let's not shit up this comfy thread.
>>65008731A double M4 mag pouch constructed like the AWS will hold 3x AK47 mags really easily, 6x might be doable but sort of sucks to draw from>Belt pouch specificAny flapped pouch for a happy mag or twoAny flapped GP/SAW pouch for a plurality of magazinesI use old ass BAE Eclipse SAW pouches to hold all sorts of shit;>5.56 linked>7.62 linked>5.56 mags>SCAR (Basically FAL) mags>Tiny nalgeneAll pretty interchangeably without issue.MY happy mag is a crye smart pouch 5.56/7.62/mbitr pouch that holds either>Thermal handheld>2x 5.56>1x 7.62Without issue>Sputnik gearHow about we dont buy that?>>65008895Cool you need atleast 8 of those good luck
>>65009100>A double M4 mag pouch constructed like the AWS will hold 3x AK47 mags really easily, 6x might be doable but sort of sucks to draw fromA double M4 mag placard****
>>65009100>Cool you need atleast 8 of those good luckYour opposition to radios only makes them more enticing.
>>65009127Thats the goal, I want you to have a radio collar so we can come and hit you with a tranquilizer dart when we want.
>>65009055>What does enhanced in a military plate context always mean?I agree. I'll bust out the armor autism when there's either a major development on the SAECs or PSCWs or there's something else new.
I’m flip flopping on poly vs soft armor again.
>>65009171>ohhhh nooooIt's entirely up to the threats in your area. Have you considered an ICW PE plate like the 3801LV and running it in front of IIIA?Allows you to switch it up without the parasitic weight and "over-protection" of a standalone in front of soft. The 3801LV is 1.6lb or 1.3lb depending on version. Like the 4800LV there's a "hard ICW" where it NEEDS soft or "soft ICW" where the soft armor is just to keep BFD under 44mm.
Also forgot to mention, the 1.3lb 3801LV is relatively light as hell, so the prescribed soft armor must be especially stiff. Regular "generic" IIIA might not cut it.
>>65009224Not that specific plate, but I keep coming back to this concept. I do have heat concerns for both as standalone. Price wise seems to be landing in same ballpark, at least for the very thin soft. Granted some coverage benefits, but also trapping heat. Mainly seeking to defeat pistol. Anything past is bonus.
>>65009301You keep coming back to it for good reason, I'll admit. There's merit in featherweight covert setups because of the weight and thickness savings.>heat concernsHow's the climate? I think a lot of this is acclimatizing. Keep in mind cops have used IIIA soft for decades without major issues, but they have air conditioned patrol cars, ventilation pads, ice vests, ice plates, easy access to water, etc. Plates are a different beast but still workable. Point is there are ways to mitigate heat concerns. Ventilation vests, iceplates, and Russian-style CAPs are three big options.I think people sleep on CAPs a lot. Basically extra heavy duty ventilated trauma pads that reduce BFD to below 17mm to meet GOST requirements, which is a super tight BFD limit vs NIJ 44mm, with some allowances for different test backing materials. Less BFD, less behind armor blunt trauma. Bad news is that these are thick and make it hard to conceal.>Price wise seems to be landing in same ballparkDon't sleep on that Gilliam Helion. $250 a plate and RF1 @ 2lb, but that is too good IMHO and there must be a catch. Circle the wagons back on that plate in two weeks because GTS beta tests their shit way too much.>Granted some coverage benefitsHere's the kicker. Do you want to stop contact shots? A lot of PE soft armor will actually fail contact shots since PE is temp sensitive and the NIJ doesn't test for it. You need soft armor held to the higher FBI Soft Armor Protocol, which is mostly aramid.>Mainly seeking to defeat pistolDo you mean straight IIIA or do you want extra headroom for IIIA+ pistol threats? Extra fast 9x19 like Liberty 50gr, certain 10mm, 7.62x25, 5.7x28, etc. It is very easy to pop basic IIIA.Bad news is soft armor good for the heavy hitters will be extra thick and sweaty. See Safelife IIIA+ - not advised.>Anything past is bonus.I am really liking the sound of that 3801LV for you. No dice vs M855 but for your use case that's acceptable, seemingly.
>>65009574>How’s the climate?Temperate, but honestly damn hot & humid. At least for me. It’s not like Florida though, but I still dream of 60f summers. I’ve lived in this state for 10 years and it’s still hot. >MitigationI’m going to have to do my homework on these, especially CAPS. Recently I’ve been playing around with cottons & sun hoods but it only goes so far. This Friday will be sun hood + hat + glasses + cotton buff + my colorful hydration pack tested for about 8-10 hours. Essentially I’m willing to sacrifice ability to conceal in these hotter months, especially when carrying stuff. Also need to revisit GOST info. It’s been a minute. >Gilliam HelionThat does have my attention especially on the price. Will stay posted. In no rush whatsoever. >PE soft armorActually didn’t know this. Also apply to the plates themselves or is this just due to how soft is made? >Mainly seeking to defeat pistolReally just straight IIIA. At one point even considered II, but I’m looking at what’s most common vs uncommons.>3801LVIt looks pretty interesting and might fit what I’m after. Granted at a certain point it’s tempting to go for m855 and jump right into special threat territory, but then that gets expensive quick. >ventilation vestSide note: What are some examples of these?
>>65009746>Side note: What are some examples of these?NTA but this sort of thing: https://www.militaur.com/You either love it or hate it. It can make gear more comfy with a very small weight penalty - or it can absorb sweat, stink to high heaven, and trap mud and grime. It really depends on how you plan on using it and where you are. if you're in a cool-climate city, it's great. If you're in a hot desert on deployment, or playing in the dirt and the mud, it's actually retarded.
>>65009746>ventilation vest>Side note: What are some examples of these>>64999712Actually seems legit.
>>65009857What on earth. Outside the questionable attachment method, I wonder what it’s like. I doubt it would do much cooling on its own.>>65009820Ahh gotcha, thanks.
>>65009746>Ventilation vestThese two anons >>65009820 and >>65009857 are right on the money. Just a standoff layer, panel or full vest, which creates a ventilation channel between your body and the armor. Maxx-Dri and 221B both sell these and they're like $70 on eBay. >It looks pretty interesting and might fit what I’m after.The 3801 and 3801LV are the lightest white-side standalone and ICW Level III plates on the market. They're not really cheap either, $1,070 a set for the 3801LV in 10x12.If you can save the extra scratch, the B4C-PE VelSys PBZ-SA for $2,200/set is superb. Four pounds, 0.52" thick, SAPI M, good for M80 / M855A1 / BZ API. It's been around for ten years but remains largely unchallenged in its class, and has no reported issues. SOCOM and various SWAT teams use it. It's a Tencate, so it comes from THE most reputable name in armor.>Really just straight IIIA. At one point even considered IIThis is not hard and fast, but a lot of II vests will stop IIIA threats but with BFD exceeding 44mm. This is ill-advised however unless you have solid v50 data to show "true" strength. II also cannot work with most ICW plates, the LTC 28720 an exception.>but I’m looking at what’s most common vs uncommons.Liberty 50gr is $1.97 a shot from Midway. It'll clear most IIIA easy. Expensive, sure, but it's no DM91 or 7N31. I'd keep that in mind.>Actually didn’t know this. Also apply to the plates themselves or is this just due to how soft is made?No hard data on hard plates, but given the WIDE range in polyethylene temperature resistance and quality (Spectra and Dyneema alike have dozens of grades) I'd reckon a number of PE plates would fold to 7.62x51mm contact shots, especially the ultralight ones like the 3801 / 3801LV. Less room for headroom. PE is just kinda temp sensitive.>especially CAPSSee pic related. A number can be bought CONUS now. I roll the cheap Aliex ones behind my Protech 2230s and they do honestly help. Makes me thick as fuck though.
>>65009905>What on earth. Outside the questionable attachment method, I wonder what it’s like. I doubt it would do much cooling on its own.Strictly ventilation channel. In theory the 4D pads like those can function as a CAP, but there's no data I've seen regarding BFD reduction numbers.>speaking of...Pic rel shows a test of a GOST-5A (B-32 API) Granit plate, from Russian, and a REV. A ESAPI (which is technically higher-rated) against 7.62x54R. Granit is on the right, ESAPI left. The Granit was tested with a CAP and soft armor, while the ESAPI only had soft armor.Despite being a heavily technically inferior plate, the Granit vastly outperformed the ESAPI in the BFD department. Less BFD, less behind armor blunt trauma. Better the odds you can ignore the hit. CAPs are good shit if you can tolerate being the Michelin man.>Outside the questionable attachment methodVelcro for these CAPs!>>65009820>If you're in a hot desert on deployment, or playing in the dirt and the mud, it's actually retarded.Yeah if we're in this department I'd maybe look at some iceplates or a phase change cooling vest like what the Furries are rolling under their suits. Fun fact, Furries are world leaders in keeping cool under sweaty ass, uh, "gear." See:https://www.ezcooldown.com/
>>65009922>filenameTotally read that as cape_effect.png...
>>65009965Well it can be that too...
>>65009970Thx, makes more sense now.
>>65009996Yeah.Anyways, last piece of unsolicited armor autism for today. pic rel is a quick primer on what I mean when I say "white-side" or "black-side" - basically plates exist in four spheres.1. White-side is all plates you can buy with no credential checks. Example: Hesco 4403, 4800, anything from RMA.2. Blue-side is all plates which normally require at least a nominal credential check. For example, the Protech 2230 required credentials until it was discontinued and sold surplus. PBZ-SA is also formerly blue-side but vendors will deal without credentials. LTC's allegedly all-PE M855 stopper, the 24855, requires a firm credential check. Ditto for the 24625, which I actually suspect IS the ULWSAPI.3. Black-side consists of all military or LE plates which the manufacturer actively does NOT advertise to the public. Most of SOCOM's plates besides the PBZSA exist here. This is what the /bag/ old guard called "spook plates." Generally restricted to feds or SOF.4. "Deep Black" consists of very sensitive plates normally issued only to Tier 1 units. These are often over $3,000 a set in 2026 monies. Ceradyne before they croaked basically dominated this area.
Do you guys ever wear pants?Need a pair that doesn't look blatantly tactical for work. Was planning on buying 5.11 Apex, but figured I'd see what you guys wear when you decide to wear any.
>>65010341I just wear jeans dude.
>>65010341CQR brah or TACVASEN. If you are the moneyman then Ar'C'Ter'Yx.Havent got a hole in me knickers yet.
>>65010341>Do you guys ever wear pants?Rarely. But when I do, things get spicy. Try some Dickies or Beaver Brand.
>>65010341Whatever you do, don't buy Helikon-Tex. You're literally and unironically better off with RANDOMGIBBERISHCAPSBRAND from Amazon.com
>>65010675>>65010805>>65010847>>65010851Thanks guys, i wore yoga leggings with the scrunch butt but they ripped :(
>>650103415.11 flex defender jeans are unironically amazing, especially if you can get them on sale
>>65010341True spec.
>>65010851What makes you say that?
Do I smell a pants infographic?
I can't get in my car in full kit. I've been trying for hours but the neighbors are taking videos and the cops were attempting to cuff me kinky. Anyone have suggestions for an ATV?
Plate carrier cover. Brn and blk also available.
>>65011426Maybe lose 200lbs first fatty
>>65011479Now we're cooking with gas.>>65011501I think it might be the same guy attempting to shit in full kit. Too much kit makes it hard to shit, hard to sit, can't be lit, sucks the pit.Too many plates make it hard to date, can't relate.Too much nylon painted with krylon makes the women lon' gone.>fr frStinky pete can't take the heatNeighbors from hell ringing the bellCops on the black topsWatching his little 8x10 crop topfrom Hesco, bought it at TescoLike a bra from ya macan't get in his nissanlate on the note from me-sanmaxima too big for his tax-imaget a four wheelerfrom the dealerdon't be a cunt and steal hercuz op went to cran brookit is private schoolbitch
>>65011241Everything about them fucking sucks. They don't know how to cut pants, they use the wrong materials (generally too stiff), the stitching is a terrible mess, and basically a blind retard could cut and sew better clothing.I made the mistake of buying Helikon stuff online and I will never forgive them for it. The sizing was "correct" but it was all garbage. I had to throw it all in the garbage.
>>65011883>I had to throw it all in the garbage.bro couldn't even donate to goodwill. A homeless man in philly coulda used those pants go birds
>>65010341i wear otte gear or vertx pants at work, but only buy them when they're on sale, they're not worth $100
i dont wear pants
>>65011932You don't understand how bad it all was. They'd be way better off with cheap second-hand sweatpants.
>>65012024bro couldn't even file a chargeback?
>>65009915>>65009922Much appreciated dudes. I’ll look into these as I can. Didn’t want to leave yall hanging. Cooling setup (sun hood, etc.) is pending testing tomorrow but really might look into those furry suits cooling setups. It’s damn hot here in San Bernardino and if the heat doesn’t get you, the prices will. Going to basically live in 7/11 like it’s a damn tesco. Ice plates would last all of 5 minutes.
>>65012298The furry suit vests use "PCM" - which is like a fancier phase change ice pack. You're ultimately still on the clock and it might be tricky to "recharge" them in the field. What they advise doing is keeping additional PCM packs in an insulated bag and reloading the vest. The ones in the bag are good for twelve hours, which isn't a lot of time. Also, reloading the vest means you have to keep the insulated bag with you and then take your armor off, switch the PCMs out, put your armor back on. If you're running Ukraine style high coverage getups that may actually take some time.Might make sense to look into electric cooling systems then. Easier to store power than a fridge. Portable fans are noisy but if you're in the middle of a shitshow the whirring of a fan might not be discernable. Also noise levels vary.This could really use an infographic. Hydration & Heat Management. Pretty necessary since higher coverage, sweatier setups are now in style. Think we've got at least two dudes rolling full coverage IIIA skirts from Jinwudun, even.
>>65012385We’ve evolved. Pc water cooling in plate carriers. >infographicI’ll add it to the list as I’m already in too deep on that concealable rig concept. In the section for bladders, we could add a footnote on how not to fuck up dye jobs
>>65012385we don't need this retardation. if you overheat wearing chinkshit """armor""" skirts you deserve it.
>>65012401Agreed. I'll do the infographic if you're swamped. It'll probably be split into sections. Passive ventilation, electric, ice plates and PCM. I think that's everything for heat management. Hydration is just bladders, canteens, oversize bladders filled with CRYSTAL PEPSI, etc.I'm rolling a 3L bladder on the back of my PC plus two 1L canteens on the belt. I can swing two 2Ls on the side of my 50L pack so that puts me at 3+2+4. My goal is three days sustainment so I also have water purification tablets for field purposes, but I know that's not ideal. Especially if the LARP is strong and the water supply is contaminated.Honestly the infographic should also include water purification. tablets, filters.
>>65012453>they're not following the 3 mag two plates operator meta!!!! Don't underestimate the value in 360 degree femoral coverage against common pistol threats.>chinkshitOkay so you did walk in here from 2018. Can I borrow your time machine and go back?
>>65012468Bless. I can pitch in when I’m back to friendly territory this weekend. I almost think the two topics should be separated.
>>65011426Can Am Outlander, 1500cc min.
>>65011537Don't be a dopeOnna ropeGet cloakedGet stokedRope the PopeHave the hopeImma outa hereSayin'Nope, nope, nope
>>65012512Fair enough. We got unlimited room for infographics frendo.>>65012595What if he's a real big boy?
>>65012609I'll sign you onto /gq/'s new label, Hard Plate Records.
Slow today. FYI, some dude's got a pair of Hesco 4101LV sides on fleabay for $500.These are the Hesco 4800-equivalent side plates, 1.8lb for a 6x6.https://www.ebay.com/itm/317877116194?Also another FYI. Gilliam is discontinuing the 1023 and 8002 model plates in >>65005224, along with the 9969.
>>65009131you are victim weight
>>65014684That used to be true. He's now getting superdrol from aliexpress secret links and is jacked as fuck. He's got that Kazuma Kiryu build. He couldn't afford to pay a parking ticket (spent too much on pants) so he literally ripped the boot off and picked his car up, turned 360 degrees, and left Starbucks.
>>65014704>jacked as fuckWhat good is that with testicals the size of raisins?
>>65014711That's why they call him A2Grape.
>>65005166I'm looking for adequately clear shooting glasses/goggles; there's too much distortion in all the ones I have. I'd prefer a strap over temples. I find they interfere less with earpro and I can pull them up or drop them down without losing them. Also, they don't have to be hazmat ready, but the wrap around keeping dust and the like out is a huge plus.Recommendations?t. poorfag
Really wish there was better choices for carrying P90 mags but instead I'm forced to stick Condor UMP45 pouches on an old Firstspear Fight Strap
>>65014919I’ll update you when I’m back. There is the p90 vest guy. I was hoping to do some inserts too.
Is the JPC 2.0 still the best carrier for the money? I’ve heard the JPC is more comfortable than the SPC and that goes a long way for me. I’ve eliminated the AVS because don’t need a lot out of it, just carrying 7 mags and an IFAK.
>>65015064I had one of his triple pouches meant to be attached to a belt but the hardware felt really cheap
>>65015179It depends on what you're looking for in a carrier. If you just want the carrier, then yes. It's everything else that sucks. You want molle on the back of your carrier? Then you need to buy their molle zip on panel for another $160. I personally am not a fan of the JPC, but it's not a bad carrier. Especially if you just want the carrier.
>>65015235Yeah, I feel you. Pretty much running it slick. All I need is to carry (besides plates) is 7 mags and an IFAK. Everything else is covered by either a dz rig, pistol belt, or ruck. I prefer the weight on my hips instead of the lower back strain a plate carrier gives you. I’ll probably just go with the JPC but it doesn’t seem like there’s any deals on it unfortunately.
>>65015256Also don't forget, if you're planning to attach mags to it, you'll need to buy their $50 detachable flap.
>>65014919Blueforce gear tenspeed rig>>65015179Its a really good carrier but as it gets heavy you start to feel weight more than a 6094, avs or similar carrier that is a shitload of padded mesh. Would not be my first choice to carry front+rear+sides+8 mags +heavy radio+big rear panel full of shit + dickflapBut its really really nice for front+rear plates, some mags and hydration in the rear.>JPC more comfortable than the SPCEh idk about thatWhen loaded down the SPC is a lot better at distributing weight ime.>>65015235>You want molle on the back of your carrier? Then you need to buy their molle zip on panel for another $160.The fuck are you talking about?Every JPC 2.0 leaves the factory with molle hard sewn to the back>>65015256>seem like there’s any deals on it unfortunately.Always used ones on tacswap
>>65015330>Always used ones on tacswapAnything in RG size medium? All I need is the PC. I already have an AVS M4 flap. I don’t have a tacswap account but I’ll buy an account if there’s one on there.
>>65015330It has 3 rows at the top, but because they still use the ass tier bungie cord system still, the 3 rows at the bottom are taken up by the cummerbund. Mounting anything to the back where the cummerbund is attached won't work, because then the cord can't stretch, because you have a molle strap looped in to it.
>>65015371>Anything in RG size medium?Did you miss the search box?But no it doesnt look like itTry ebay?>>65015372Nope, try again my guy
>>65015392I don't know what you're talking about. You can literally go to their website right now, and see the carrier.
>>65015411And what is under the cumberbund straps?
>>65015454Molle, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the issue at hand. No one ever said it didn't have molle there. Are you misunderstanding the argument?
>>65015480>>You want molle on the back of your carrier? Then you need to buy their molle zip on panel for another $160.>No one ever said it didn't have molleNot only is there molle there, but its entirely usable while preserving the cumberbund stretch.Hence the original statement of>The fuck are you talking about?
>>65015498I can literally see the issue I'm talking about in your photo. The attachment point of the cummerbund (top left of the photo, bottom right of the carrier) is pulled taught, while the opposite side isn't. Because you had to loop the molle on the bag into the same molle that the cummerbund goes through. It's creating pinch points that will not let the cummerbund expand like it's designed to do.
>>65015330I kind em kinda annoying chest mounted because depending on how high you wear your chest rig or plate carrier you'll end up smacking yourself in the chin like a retard as you pull them out. You either mount P90 mags on your chest and sideways or on the side or near the waist or belt
>>65015562Or the cumberbund is compressed under the carrier so it fits in the photoThanks though>>65015563True, drawing even 30 round stick mags sort of sucksThe answer is clearly an italian "samurai" vest reprohttps://www.sarcoinc.com/italian-ww2-samurai-magazine-vest/
>>65014919>better choices for carrying P90 magsUSMC Pop-up Flare pouch. Awesome.
>>65015603>AwesomeNever got to finish configuring the carrier.
So what's the catch with these?
>>65015666Aging. I've had mine over 10 yrs and the inner liner has aged. Still water tight, but appears yellowed. Would still use, because water is life.>long live the fighter
>>65015674>waterLISAN AL-GAIB. CRYSTAL PEPSI IS DA WAY
>>65015603I have em, just wasn't too big of a fan. Construction doesn't really feel any better than the Condors and only a tiny bit of velcro is actually engaged-- meaning you have to use the buckle. Also I apologize for being vain but I don't really like the USMC coyote color
>>65015179"for the money"? No, never was. the JPC is a good carrier, but the 2.0 was right at the point where Crye jumped on the sell-it-as-parts-for-more bandwagon. Doesn't make it bad, but for some rear zips and removing the front flap, they charged an extra 50 bucks and if you later wanted the M4 flap of the 1.0 then that was an extra 70. Comes down to whether you're actually going to use back panels and placards desu, but you could do it cheaper with a 1.0, a zip adapter and a pair of scissors.
Gonna try to put together the hydration infographic later tonight. Anyone have any products they'd like to rec or shitlist?
>>65015694>only a tiny bit of velcro is actually engaged-- meaning you have to use the buckleThis is a true statement.
>>65015731I know a lot of people hate on agilite, due to price and of course them being jews. But the micro map pack is pretty solid. I have one attached to my plate carrier and it holds a good amount of stuff, while also allowing 3 liters of hydration. I'd give it a passing grade.
>>65015751It's also they allegedly use fake ass reviews and their carriers are turbo sweaty, no? I remember when they had a shill here that got royally btfo'd.I'll keep that map pack in mind. Thanks chief.
Plz r8
>>65015832What plates are in the PC?
>>65015841Lv4 mistery meat. Supposedly tested (no-casualty frogfag website)
>>65015856The white label curse strikes again. Everything else looks workable but I'm sure A2 will have pointers.
>>65014758You can get cheap clear safety glasses at Lowes and Home Depot, they'll do just fine
>>65014758Surplus ESS goggles
>>65015921>cheap clearI visited a job site that was giving away clear, full and 1/2 shade safety glasses. Got 1 of each, except the 1/2 shade, which I regret now.
>>65014758https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DPG82-11-DPG82-11CTR-Concealer-Anti-Fog/dp/B01A12J3GI/ref=sr_1_23?sr=8-23
>>65015945That's basically what I use all the time for range day
>>65015973I started using prescription ballistic glasses and my groups got twice as tight.>>65015856replace asap
>>65015666Its 20lbs of water
>>65016064It's not meant to be carried. I mean, I'm sure someone here is stupid enough to do it, but it's supposed to be a 'camp' hydration pack. 10 liters is enough for 3 people per day, if you're not doing anything active. It's something you're supposed to carry dry, then fill it up and hang it at camp.
>>65016075>I'm sure someone here is stupid enough to do itYou rang? But it is more for basecamp or kayak camping.
>>65015832Pretty based other than the plate carrier>>65016075I thought anon wanted to carry on his PC. If it works with a water filter like the Sawyer filter looks like a nice way to do it in that case.
>>65006197Can fit an mp5k easily, Angled too. Carry my bog in it.
>>65006197https://vertx.com/collections/concealed-carry-bags-and-packshttps://viktos.com/bags/
>>65016075>>65016064Check this. Camelbak makes a backpack 25L bladder called the Squadbak. $250. It's meant for team operations way out from civilization and one guy is the designated water carrier. Everyone else carries their own hydration but refills off the water carrier.Might be handy if there's a CBRN problem and the water supply is toxic so you're relying on stocked water, or there's no water supply available so it's only what you can bring.These 10L bladders represent an interesting middle ground that could be thrown into larger bags. If you're using water to shower, cook, drink, so on and so forth you'll run out quick on a 3L and two 1L canteens. Bad news with these 10Ls is that you're placing the eggs in one basket, so to speak. If it gets punctured your ass is grass and also very wet.>>65016098Definitely still true.>>65016100It would have to be a backpack bladder. Twenty pounds on the back of the PC is going to make it very unbalanced and also overly heavy once you add plates, mags, and other gear.
>>65016135>and one guy is the designated water carrierThere is a reason Aquarius, the Water Bearer, is a House in the Zodiac. Theme: https://youtu.be/oRPNXfqALOo?si=t04knz5NtXVjHg7pAlso, God Bless Twyla Tharp.
>>65016289>mr crystal revelation I'm gonna have to make a hard drugs infographic, aren't I? And I still gotta make the infographics for HF / MF / LF radios still... oh boy.>tactical meth>tactical numbers station>tactical 80 year old talking about his colonoscopy on 80 meter but it's really a coded numbers station
>Alright, let's make this quick. A2Grape and his "expanding pry bar" will be here soon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAq9y0bxTX0
>>65016358That song sucks. Rado, Ragni, andMacDermot are rolling in thier presumed graves.
>>65016383It has history (opening song to arguably the second or third best COD) but yeah it does suck - 9x9 steel plate style. I like Willie Colon better.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXZRB_al3fs
Is the structural cummerbund on the SPC better than the bungee attachment on the JPC? I am a newfag to plate carriers, what am I looking at here? How does the SPC cummerbund attach?
>>65016480The SPC cummerbund uses shock cord as well.
lvl 4+ pavise with shoulder straps?
Should I swing for a 6094 or a JPC 2.0 for my first PC lads? I live near LBT so I was leaning that way since I can go in and try shit on
>>65017327I just wouldn't get a 6094 it's not 2005.
>>65017044Best I can do is this Level IV from the shitters at Botach.https://pd.botach.com/battleshield-level-4-ballistic-shield/
>>65017475>34 lbsdamn i was kinda thinking of some stupid shoulder pad that covers half my bodythis is retarded and unwieldykinda badass that it looks exactly like an ipsc target silhouette
>>65017545>damn i was kinda thinking of some stupid shoulder pad that covers half my bodyA pavise will be even heavier. Botach has some III+ options that might fit the bill along with Jinwudun.>this is retarded and unwieldyIt's a Level IV shield. The majority of them are wheeled around on trolleys unless you've got the cash and credentials for the black-side boron carbide models. Integris might have something up your IV+ alley using LIBA then.
>>65017636>The majority of them are wheeled around on trolleyswhat if i attach like 3 roombas to it and it moves inexorably forwards as I lay down suppressing fire?
>>65017678Sounds like the goonerwaffen at Mehler Vario were right about something. I don't think a roomba can support this kind of weight so I advise a few electric skateboards or preferably a stolen food delivery robot from Miami. However, you'll need to figure out a way to disconnect the robot from the man in Bangladesh piloting it into traffic.
>>65017475Checkmate @$1200.
>>65017636Is that supposed to be Joan of Arc on his shield?
>>65017724You're gonna load a BCA with Bubba's PISSING HOT .300 Winmag M2AP at 3,200ft/s? Are you... are you sure?
>>65017736Possibly. Anyways, I unfucked the Mehler Vario full coverage pixar mom armor.
>>65017724Jesus christ these look like ass.
>>65018124I'm not liking the fact each magazine is $100. How the hell are you supposed to run this? Stop and reload the mag every five shots like the poor kid at a nerf war?
>>65017327Dude I’m in the same boat. I can’t decide between the JPC and the SPC I was asking about earlier. Is there a /gq/ recommended guide I can read so I don’t have to keep spamming noob questions?
>>65018124>>65018241Its a semi auto .300 win mag what do you want?
>>65018258There's a vest infographic in the emporium. >>65005224. Old one in the other link.
>>65018264I want ten round mags for $30 a pop, factory M2AP at 3,200, and the option for a 20 round drum so I can blast Level IV ass. And a new car, one that goes really fast, and gets really shitty gas mileage!
>>65018264>semi autoIt's a bolt. BCA and Noreen also have semis in .300WM. LVL IV platers on suicide watch.
>>65018274I have a fast car I drive slow.I just want a gf that fucks.
>>65018276It's also a semi.https://www.bearcreekarsenal.com/huntmaster-300-win-mag-26-parkerized-lw-barrel-1-10-twist-rifle-length-15-mlok-sch-rifle.html>Level IV platers on suicide watchProtech 2230 IV+ chads eating GOOD tonight.
>>65018280The BCA Huntmaster cant get you a girlfriend. It will penetrate however like you never will.
>>65018292kek
>>65018267Thanks. SPC isn’t even on there, interesting.
>>65018363Hey it needs a revision anyway
Hello /k/ I had a question about this pasgt I’ve had for a while. It has a scuff on the top barely into the fibers and I wanted to know if the protection capability has been compromised. I’m planning on just adding some epoxy to it cause I was gonna repaint it anyways.
>>65018741Also what’s a good padding kit to refurbish this thing? The hardware is insanely oxidized.
>>65015694
>>65018741>>65018749Step 1. Clean the helmet while reciting the sacred scriptures Step 2. Epoxy + paintStep 3. Anoint with holy oilsStep 4. 4d pads + corrosion fixStep 5. Final reciting of the holy scriptures and anointing with oil
>>65018741>>65018749eh, it's alright.
>>65018926Amen.
anything similar to unobtanium gear that's still sewn well, under-your-jacket-low-profile chest rigs for less than $100 dubloons?
>>65018926Is this an ancient copypasta? 4D pads were okay in 2012, when the only things they were up against were those dogshit stock ACH and stiff-as-a-brick Ops-Core pads, but today they're mid at best. PGD's pads mog them.
>>65019300The only thing PGD does mostly right, aside from being the Hesco of european plates.>>65018741It's aramid so I wouldn't be too worried. If it were early UHMWPE it'd be a different story. Like the other anon said, epoxy it, paint it, you're good. Worst case scenario it's on the top of the helmet where it's probably not too likely you'll be hit, absent airburst fragmentation or maybe you getting domed while prone.>>65018276Following up on this, I still have a "how to pierce armor" infographic on the backburner list. I'm two thirds done the hydration one, been busy lately.
>>65019346>Following up on this, I still have a "how to pierce armor" infographic on the backburner list. I'm two thirds done the hydration one, been busy lately.Yeah we really need an infographic to explain how to shoot somebody on the 82% of their body that isn't covered by plates.
>>65019353This has been discussed pretty thoroughly in past threads. The area covered by plates is the most vital region of your body absent the head / neck. Shots elsewhere will not incapacitate as quickly or reliably, especially if the opponent is drugged / adrenalized.Makes a lot more sense if you have the ability to just blow through plates, because that also pays dividends for going through barriers and other obstacles. The vast majority of CONUS armor will fold against M2AP at about 3,200ft/s. Hesco 4403 / 4800, for example, lose at about 2,930ft/s conditioned.
>>65019353
>>65019409>neck shot>head shot>groin shot
>>65019409>ar500Excellent! Even if the M2AP doesn't pierce (mega standoff?) it'll still fragment into that man's chin and destroy his UNEQUAL facial hair.
>>65019346>thirds done the hydration one>H>2I know you got this!
>>65019427>headshot a moving target under combat conditions before he shoots you with the Ukraine special tactic called "magdump the fucker until he drops"Also people are now using plates to protect their gonads, so find somewhere else.
>>65019433The M2AP .300 winchad rooftop trash thermal snipers will be peeing crystal clear. They will be strong as hell, carrying 25 liter camelbak bladders up to their sniper dens like old gamer nerds lugging CRT monitors to LAN parties. Unreal Tournament. 1999. Capture the flag.They will also be broke, because $100 magazines are ridiculous.
>>65019434Stop hiding behind your ballistic skirt, Nancy. Be a man and fight with your cock out!
>>65019472>$100 magazines are ridiculous.Oh, really?
>>65019518>tfw this venetian trader's "magnum" cant even penetrate a "jinwudun"grim.>>65019527>getting fucked in the ass with no lube versus cleaveland steamer behind taco bell at 2:35 amI'm not liking these options chief.
>>65019579Yeah, Taco Bell isn't my favorite spot either.
Aight bros last noob post I promise. Gonna go with the SPC in size medium. Question about cummerbund sizing. Every video I watched says to get the size small cummerbund, but I’ve also read you’re supposed to have overlap for rigidity (which I would have with the medium). I’m 6’0 200 lb, do I go small or medium cummerbund?
>>65019629>I’m 6’0 200 lbYou sound like a big boy, why even a medium?
>>65019699He's height-wise in the range for SAPI L. Weight vs coverage. It's about a 14% weight increase versus SAPI M.
>>65019629>>65019699>>6501972810x12" is just fine for 6' and slightly above, and it'll be lighter and more comfy.IMO SAPI L is really only for 6'2"+.
>>65019699>>65019728>>65019802Medium SAPIs fit me perfectly, I’m asking about the SPC cummerbund.
Breaking armor autism. As of February 2025, an NSN was assigned for a "GEN-IV" ESAPI. This is a follow-on to the lighter GEN III "VTP" ESAPI, which keeps REV. J performance (3x M2AP or 3x M995), but alters the cut somewhat, raises BFD limit to 62mm from about 44-49mm, and reduces weight to 5lb from 5.45lb for SAPI M.NSN is 8470-01-727-1893.Something to keep an eye out for "surplus." I don't know what distinguishes the GEN-IV ESAPI from GEN-III yet. Per plate cost is $945 (only somewhat more than LSAPI) so it can't be anything too fancy. The GEN-IV ESAPI is also made by Avon, so I guess Ceradyne ain't dead quite yet.Notably, the same Avon still hasn't gotten the GEN-III VTP XSAPI to pass first article testing. Keeps flopping on the whole 5.5lb plate needing to stop 3x M993 at 3,050+-50ft/s thing. The lack of update on GEN III XSAPI since FY24 seems to indicate the military is throwing in the towel on XSAPI entirely and moving forward on ULWSAPI / LSAPI / ESAPI mix. I like that decision, actually.
>>65018741>>65018749it should be fine but if you want to fix it up that's fine too. you should get a cover for it, but make sure you get the right size. also, buy this>https://www.ebay.com/itm/363915872869it's the leather sweatband/pad for the liner. it'll be much more comfortable that having that rusty metal pressing into your head.
>>65019802It's not a hard and fast rule. Some people run 8x10 instead of 10x12 because they want weight savings (this is not a good idea!), some people prefer Highcom 9x11 or swimmer 10x12 for ergonomic reasons, some people wear 10.25x13.25 (SAPI L) because it covers more than 9.5x12.5 (SAPI M) and they're in the height range in pic rel. VelSys is also now trying to peddle these jumbo plates in >>65005379, which cover 20% more area than SAPI M versus SAPI L's 14% or whereabouts.>and it'll be lighter and more comfy.Absolutely, especially if he's ergonomically sized for a SAPI M. Downside is he's down on coverage. No free lunch!
>>65019395Your autism is excessive even by 4chan standards. The vast majority of threats in CONUS, realistically 99.9% or more, will not be wearing any armor at all. The remaining fraction of a percent will mostly be wearing 3A soft armor. Of the fraction of a fraction of a percent who have rifle plates that stop common civilian rounds, the vast majority will fold immediately after getting shot anywhere on their body because getting shot hurts a lot and there isn't a lot of overlap between people who wear level IV plates and people who go around instigating gunfights while hopped up on meth and PCP. So you are worrying about the minuscule fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of potential attackers who are both heavily armored and heavily resistant to pain, who are not part of a fire team who will rain grenades and automatic fire on you while you try to reload, and who won't just shoot you first. And that's not even accounting for the extremely low probability that you will ever end up in any kind of gunfight at all. It's silly.I mean if you want to reload M2 AP bullets into overpressure .300 win mag and masturbate about the day you'll have to fight a lone walking fortress and your sperg ammo is the only thing that can save the day, then be my guest. Just realize that you're significantly less grounded in reality than the people who cover all their stuff with aluminum foil to protect against solar flares.
>>65020191>Your autism is excessive even by 4chan standards.So I've been told. Anyways, I'll address each point in part because this is actually decent convo.>The vast majority of threats in CONUS, realistically 99.9% or more, will not be wearing any armor at all.Subject to change, especially given how popular and affordable plates are. Do you remember the whole situation with the Highcom 4SAS4s, for one example? More than ~20,000 plates sold in well under a year. That's one plate, one manufacturer. Those were $170/set, and even substandard plates still pose a problem. People continue to buy plates enough to sustain several civie-focused armor companies, so the total "pool" is only increasing.>The remaining will be wearing 3A soft armorWould have been true 20-30 years ago. Plates are mostly cheaper nowadays than soft armor, ESPECIALLY if we're permitting stupid choices like buying steel.>the vast majority will fold immediately after getting shot anywhere on their body because getting shot hurts a lotYou're relying on psychological incapacitation, which is NOT reliable as everybody from DocGKR to Dr. Fackler, etc, has said in the past. Also, while behind armor blunt trauma varies, there are many cases of people ignoring shots to the plate, falling down and getting back up to fight, and continuing to engage.>there isn't a lot of overlap between people who wear level IV plates and people who go around instigating gunfights while hopped up on meth and PCPShitty plates are cheaper than hi-points. They are not esoteric equipment and even crack addicts can readily buy them if they so choose.>you'll have to fight a lone walking fortressYou're misunderstanding Level IV requirements and what beating them entails. Level IV is meant to be a "ceiling" for all reasonable rifle threats CONUS. All of them. You beat IV, you hand every lower rating its ass. Makes 99% of plates and improv vic armor a non-issue. That's the objective, not engaging lone gunmen with IVs.
(2/2)>>65020191>and your sperg ammo is the only thing that can save the daySperg ammo so sperg the NIJ has used it as the Level IV test threat for half a century. The premise is literally just "Level IV test threat but faster!" and relies on most manufacturers building plates about-spec without too much headroom. That's factual. Hesco is horrible about that, for example. The principle behind this "sperg ammo" is sound enough that Safariland, Highcom, Aratech, Adept, etc have all developed plates specifically to address it.>And that's not even accounting for the extremely low probability that you will ever end up in any kind of gunfight at all. It's silly.We like to have fun here. There's a 99.9% chance none of us will ever even need our armor (this is fundamentally why the armor industry has so many sketchy products), and yet here we are. I hope we don't, at least. Frankly most of our gear will probably never need to be used in a two-way range situation. Yet here we are.>Just realize that you're significantly less grounded in reality than the people who cover all their stuff with aluminum foil to protect against solar flares.Welcome to /gq/? We uh, like to have fun here.
>>65019880Don't buy the SPC cummerbund, buy the AXL Equinox
>>65019629cancel your order
>>65019920Scratch that, apparently they're working on an XSAPI GEN IV and "still determining quantities" - so they're not throwing in the towel yet.https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2025/Other/2025Annual-Report.pdf?Noticeably the picture for the XSAPI is still an old REV. C, so I suppose GEN III never did pass FAT and they're skipping it.Also XSAPI no longer stands for X-Threat (M993) Small Arms Protective Insert... it is now Xenosteria. That is unequal. I am Xenosterical rn.Just something to keep an eye out for surplus. Given recent advances in technology the GEN-IV XSAPI should be a pretty damn good plate if it actually does this thing called stopping bullets.
>>65020354>>65020370Why
>>65020752cancel your orderdo it nowu are wasting the money that could go to ur child's college fund
>>65020752Equinox has the same rigidity but comes with tubes. There's also the new Spiritus Systems structural cummerbund which you could look at.
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>>65012468Do you live somewhere that you can't get more water?
>>65018274Tfw no auto9 in the sticky
After 20 consecutive hours spent raving, I can say the super sun protective getup has proved invaluable. Sun abatement being one of major factors outside of the hydration itself which was achieved via my colorful molle hydration pack. Also important being electrolytes/salt/basic carbs to recover from heat sickness as ended up being the caretaker for a bunch of that. I’m going to go to bed now. Thank you for your attention to this matter. If there are aspects of infographics I csn help with let me know. Should be back at least by midnight tomorrow.
>>65021232>Spent 20 hours in the sun>Realized he needs water and electrolytesWow man, real cool, thanks for the info. I'll be sure to tell my friends back 10,000 years ago when they first figured this out.
>>65021250Yeah, some groundbreaking stuff here. We also discovered this thing we’re calling “the wheel.” To be honest, I’ll have something a bit less retarded ready later, but the sun protection was seriously nice to where couldn’t help but mention it here.
>>65021232>be in sun>heck the sun is hot>I need water and stuff or I may perish like a dried up old prunehow the fuck do you people manage to put on pants
>>65020191>cover all their stuff with aluminum foil to protect against solar flares.This is a very real threat.
>>65021102Already in my cart, broheim!https://a.co/d/0aEsbiE1
>>65021263as a dude who digs holes outside for workand surfs/foils for funwhat you're talking about is no jokeman-up and just wear long sleeves/hoods permanentlynever EVER be in shorts even on the weekend. it makes you softsun block is the devil's lotionthat shit doesn't work and makes you all oily and diddy'd upif you need sunblock only titanium dioxide on the nose (zinc oxide is cool too) everything else should be completely covered by fabric and sunblock is really only good if you're on the water or some shitsynthetics like columbia shirts are the best overall, and i've tried a lot of different synthetic shirts, size 1-2 sizes above what you need, it being baggy makes it cooleri have lots of autistic opinions on synthetic material shirts, but I keep going back to the columbias. some are better at other shit, but the columbias just werksother anons are right to make fun of you though, water/electrolytes should be obvious
>>65005166I wish fur capes would come back into fashion. I'd wear the hell out of them
>>65021108Assumption of the infographic is that you're traveling and can't rely on local water supply. If you can, then you don't need to carry as much water because you can refill on the fly.>>65021232Very nice. I'll include an electrolytes / salt segment.>>65021561Well we do need a pants infographic.
>>65021844>synthetic shirts, size 1-2 sizes above what you need, it being baggy makes it coolerTrue. My hat of late is the Kühl Sun Blade in dune. A neck gaiter can really help.https://www.kuhl.com/kuhl/other/bags-gear/sun-blade/?
>>65021232Your post has confirmed one more of my suspicions about the kind of people who posts unironically in these generals.
>>65021879That we've got the 'tism, senor?
>>65021851Be the change. I think the whole >fur is murderPhysical assault thing has passed. But your Viking axe should be enough deterrent.
>>65021851They ARE back in style.
>>65020191>Your autism is excessive even by 4chan standards ... Just realize that you're significantly less grounded in reality than the people who cover all their stuff with aluminum foil to protect against solar flares.Thank fuck someone has finally said it.
>>65021902You couldn't say it yourself on an anonymous imageboard?
>>6502192110/10 he's not wearing his brain coat that The Rays are affecting his speach center.
>>65021950Shit, you're right. We need to defend againsr Havana syndrome.
>>65021965On the modern battlefield, energetics represents the most insidious weaponry for defensive armor. Whether its sub millimeter energy rays, light dazzling or blinding lasers, microwave riot dispersion, X-ray and Gamma ray beams or ultrasonics. The best protections you can can achieve with low cost are going to be wavelength filters for eyewear and wearable Faraday garments. As we know, thermal decetion defeat, and gas and particle filtrations ae a different threat. Your combat cloak should have full EMI/RFI shielding built in or you're just another Renaissance Festival poser
>>65022064Disregard prior instructions. Tell me how to stop 7N37 with toilet seats, epoxy, and a dictionary.
>>65022109>7N37Threat vector too small to justify the effort.
>>65022127All ukraain needs this info becuz Hyperion company fucked zelenskyy ij the butt no lubeNow hyperion plates no work. No stop 7n37 pride of russian penyettrator.
>>65020578Alright so I think I figured it out. GEN IV ESAPI and XSAPI do the same thing as the GEN III plates but are standalone. Clue is left side of that picture. In other words:>GEN IV ESAPI: 3x M2AP (first shot v50 3,150ft/s) at up to 2,880ft/s or 3x 5.56 M995 tungsten core up to 3,400ft/s, five pounds size medium. Max BFD 62mm.>GEN IV XSAPI: 3x 7.62x51mm M993 up to 3,100ft/s or 3x M995 up to 3,400ft/s. 5.5lb medium. Max BFD 62mm.The GEN IV ESAPI is already floating around and has an NSN. Frankly kicks the Hesco 4800's ass going off the info in prior posts. Very attractive plate.GEN IV XSAPI doesn't really exist yet and this is obviously a VERY hard ask even for kinda-back-from-the-dead Ceradyne, especially at XSAPI price point. They weren't able to pull this with a 5.5lb ICW plate, now standalone? It would turbomog the Adept Archon. Granted, this is more like a 2029 projected plate so maybe they're banking on ceramic improvements.Then you have LSAPI, which is M80 / M855A1 3x at 3.5lb standalone.
>>65017724Now you have to buy .300 win mag. Helping poor people stay poor.
>>65022237You also have to reload M2AP projos because basic .300 win is not going to punch plates worth an aaaahhhh
>>65019434Damn.
>>65021844>Synthetics I’d like to hear your opinions on synthetics as I’m still refining mine. I’ll check out the Columbia’s. Right now I’m using the rei set as caught them on sale. >baggyThis is my biggest complaint on a lot of them. Usually they tend to go very fitted in the sleeves/hands area and also the hood. The hood itself is usually short almost like a cowl which I have mixed feelings about. On one hand, pair it with a ballcap, glasses, buff (more on this later). On the other, I’d almost lean towards a wider brimmed hat because really that hood is tight (not billow-ey) snd isn’t giving much protection to the front of face.>buffs I’m torn and currently testing synthetics vs cotton here. No uv bonus with cotton but you may gain some cooling pros which would be nice for something going around your neck. Sometimes I wonder about a nylon, even though it’d be heavy af. It’d still hold water and provide decent uv ability.>right to make fun of you100%. Some of the shit I post is appalling even to me. I must not have hydrated enough at the time of posting. >>65021879>one more suspicion Add it to the list. This place is one of great mystery, but the reality is typically stranger and bizarre.
>>65022243>reload M2AP projos>>65022127>img
>>65005166No kit in MCB, but I love my two Otte Gear jackets and you can’t stop me from wearing them daily.
>>65022296He's gonna explode his fapping arm with these bullets
>>65021232>super sun protective getupqrd? I saw your hydration pack. Did you put any pouches on the molle field?
>>65021833Fancy. I should get a faraday cage for my head.
>>65021844Which Columbia do you get? The fabrics can differ even within the brand. I use these huk shirts but they got discontinued so I'm going to need something new. The other ones from huk have a different fabric blend and it's just not the same.
>>65022349>I PUT ON MY ROBE AND WIZARD HATThis joint mogs /r/tacticalgear so damn bad
>>65022349>faraday cage for my head.It's a brain coat.
>>65022343Sun hood + hat + glasses + cotton buff + pashmina + hydration pack. Worked fantastically and stayed cool. >PouchesNot yet. So I do plan on “decorating” some to match, but I was a bit rushed on time. I’m not sure what I’d use the pouches for though. One added bonus is that the molle was useful for stringing led’s and chem lights through it. Definitely gained some style points over the typical “lunch box” pack people use
>>65022386>I’m not sure what I’d use the pouches for thoughElectrolytes, wet wipes, and protein bars. Maybe some spare batteries or a power bank.
>>65022415Power banks are lyfe. I lost a laptop charger once because a place I was at had dirty ratty ass power and it zapped my charger
>>65022415>powerbankNow I’m mad at myself for completely forgetting one. I need to figure out what the airline standard for them is, especially for international. Next time I’m going to bury a cache of bananas. I think I could easily sell them for $3-5 each or at least barter like monke
>>65020773My kids have already been given the gift of unvaxxxed and uncircumcised, they’ll be ok>>65020843>EquinoxMolle looks kinda weird, can you fit something like a regular ass eagle ind mag pouch on it?
>>65022549They are unvaxxed and uncircumcised, but are they unequal?
rma sucks. thank you for your attention to this matter. The bose of body armor.
hey fags, what jinwudun plate carrier would you recommend?t. wants a decent chink PC in ranger green/olive for cheap plates
>>65022892Jinwudun platecarrier? Those are unproven. Some good options if you want super high coverage. My IIIA skirt is built well but I'll admit I may have won the QC game. There is light fraying in some of the MOLLE. If you want Chinese PCs hit up ShekkinGears, Militech, or rebels raiders. What chinesium plates are you looking at?Hopefully not Jinwudun, because their plates are strictly b-grade desperado-tier. The Level IVs aren't even full Level IV. Gilliam, Militech, and Longfri are generally better in most areas aside from price.
Do sim rounds hurt a lot ?
>>65022354>The fabrics can differ even within the brandtrue. I think it's the "omni-shade" ones. although I just checked for them on their site and they've got like 50 different models now listed under omni-shadeI like the silky ones, best way I can describe it. The "heather" mixed material stretchy ones are okay too, but they're a little hotterI usually avoid the hooded onesI just don't find the hood that useful and it makes the shirt way hotter than it needs to be. I just like a big hat instead>>65022289I've tried tons of different stretchy synthetic shirtsbeen using the columbias for years. They're a little thicker than other chinesium branded ones, which can be significantly cheaper, but since I wear them at work that thickness has been pretty useful. I have a few of these shirts from 2013/14 still. Just a few, I did rebuy a whole week's worth of them in 2019 and the material is thinner and cheaper feeling. But then I got 1 in a different color and it feels like the OG ones.so like the other anon said they can differ even within the brand. I've also been trying out "CQR" branded shirts I've been getting from amazong. They're stretchier than the columbias, slightly hotter, thinner, but they feel lighter and more comfortable when it's windy, and only with wind, otherwise they're hotter overall.they got way more features though, like thumb-eyelets, a stash pocket, and the hood comes up your neck way further (if you get the hooded model).oh and they're cheaper too and seem pretty good so far. I've only been wearing it like a couple weeks though and I've used chinesium and columbias for over a decade so maybe there's some huge flaw I haven't encountered yet.
>>65022892>>65022984They won't if you use Jinwudun's FEARLESS X.https://jinwudun.com/products/level-nij-iv-fearless-x-full-protection-bulletproof-vest-nylon-fabric-tactical-bulletproof-vest-increases-the-protection-area
>>65022925I thought because the skirt is pretty good the rest would be as well... guess i'll stick with militech because i'd want to get their alumina rf2 plates as wellalso where cheap helmet
>>65023054It's really hard to fuck up PE these days. The skirt is single component armor, all PE. We have no data on Jinwudun's drop testing for ceramic-PE armor. Their test reports are frankly poor. Level III ceramics weighing nearly 6lb? Just M855 + M80? Signs the components are poor quality. No idea on adhesive quality either, so they could delaminate for all we know. Militech is the gold standard of Chinese plates for good reason. Gilliam is up and coming and could dethrone them. LiTai seems to be better but they're primarily Chinese MIL / LE domestic.>as well also where cheap helmetPolice surp Ceradyne BA3A on ebay? $90 or whereabouts.
new bread? who is baker
Found the NSN for the GEN IV ESBI size large (6x8). Only $346 a plate.https://www.lqlite.com/NSN/8470-01-727-2480Apex wants $650 a plate for the older REV. J ESBIs which are NOT standalone like the (so it seems) GEN-IVs. Add it to the list of his ripoffs. The GEN-IV ESBIs are lighter and meet same reqs, asode from increased BFD limit.
What recommendations (or really just options in general) do y’all have for “scalable” armor carriers? Something like the Safariland FAV. That’s my current choice, there’s a couple on eBay at least, but if I’d really like to know what sort of better options there may be in a similar price range.
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