Post gear, discuss gear.OG edition.Old: >>65400387
>>65419856The loudouts of the future:> anti-drone shotgun> tommy gun loaded with anti-drone ratshot and drum magPic is from a cartoon from 2035
/gq/ Infographic Emporium:https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6Legacy Infographic Reserve: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF>Last time on /gq/, Anon sized himself for a helmet. Another anon talked about condoms. The chinamaxxing was strong and people made fun of redditors' Highcum Strikers, and infographics were made about TAOBAO.>QUICK ARMOR GUIDE 2.176CODE: * = active NIJ-cert, ^ = NEEDS SOFT ARMOR, DND = do not drop, ** = military.>Special Rifle Threat:/pfg/: Protech X-CAL LP^DND (Last ditch option!)Budget: Hesco L211 or T212Mid-Range: Hesco M210High-End: Hesco U210 / U211, LSAPI**, or Tencate CR-6450SA.>CONUS Minimum (M80, M855, M193):Budget: Hesco 3611C, SAPI**^, or Gilliam 6001Mid-Range: Hesco 3612* or 3810*High-End: Hesco 3811* or 3811LV^DNDElite: Used Cercom CER-EMH**^>CONUS Medium (M80 + M855A1 or BZ API):Budget: Protech 2120-5Mid-Range: Hesco 3411* or LTC 19513High-End: LTC 28780**Elite: VelSys PBZSA**DND or Hesco SC3812 or Protech DT306C-HWElite-Plus: Used Ceradyne MH3 CQB**^DND (10x M995)>CONUS Optimal (M855A1 + M80A1):Budget: Highcom 3S9 (SAPI-cut)Mid-Range: Used LTC 28550** / 28590** or Highcom 3S9M* (SAPI-cut!)High-End: Used LTC 28595**Elite: Used LTC 28570** or VelSys TSA**Elite-Plus: Tyr XHA4/S6/T(DND) or GEN 6 LTC TSA**>Level IV / CONUS High (.30-06 M2AP):/pfg/: Used Protech 2014G (last ditch option)Budget: Gilliam 1023, Protech 2014MC, or Hesco 4403*Mid-Range: Hesco 4601* or ESAPI**^ (REV. G-J)High-End: Hesco 4800(DND), 4800LV^DND, or Protech 9812-R1(DND)Elite: Tencate CXP-800 SA or Ceradyne SOF ESAPI MK.II**^DND or Adept EmperorElite-Plus: Ceradyne SAEC**DND(??)>Level IV+ / CONUS Extreme (Various)Budget: Protech 2230 (M2AP at +600ft/s) or Gilliam 8002 (.300 Winmag Swiss P AP)Mid-Range: Adept Colossus (7.62x51 Swiss P AP) or REV. C XSAPI**^ (M993)High-End: Rev. D XSAPI**^ (M993+)Elite: ECSAPI** (M993)Elite-Plus: Ceradyne 96034** (7.62x51 Swiss P)
>>65419859I see all the animators have been fired. Also you forgot the CLOAKS.
Back in the day, I used to be too much of a bitch to post my gear because I was afraid I'd get made fun of. Now, I don't want to post my gear due to the fear of embarrassment of being associated with you faggots. That's all, thanks for reading my blog.
Thoughts?https://x.com/fortifiedtaras/status/2087903085234446354
>>65420195Its not surprising, western electronics were always preferred and they've long had the proxies to get them. Prewar a lot of optics and comms went through Poland (ie, buy in poland, walk across the border to Kaliningrad and fly to Russia) and Italy, idk how they get them now.
>>65420195The Chinese are openly selling American Gen 3 tubes on Taobao btw.
>>65420195Makes sense. If less equipped Ukrainian units are buying night vision direct from the Taliban, you can bet Russians are too.
>>65420259Taobao truly is the wild west but east.Next they'll be selling newer model XSAPIs (REV. C onward) for $400 a plate, NGSAPIs for a grand.
>>65420614I'd be happy with LSAPIs>>65419865> people made fun of redditors' Highcum StrikersAAAaaahahahahahahahahaha
>>65420745I will never understand people who pay $750 for helmets but then go sub-$400 on a new pair of plates.>I'd be happy with LSAPIsThey'll be making a million of those eventually, but they've gotten a lot better at keeping plates on the truck, so the "surp" situation for those will probably be like finding 28595s. Easy to find if you look, hard to get a good price.
Sorry to link reddit, but Highcum sizing has struck again.https://www.reddit.com/r/BodyArmor/comments/1vnh8y8/why_so_short/
Im trying to decide if I want to buy new avs platebags or just buy an spc. I’ve calculated weights for most everything I carry, and it comes out to 326 oz, or about 20.4 pounds. this doesn’t include pouches, but it includes armor, mags, ordinance, tools, water, and meds. It isn’t the heaviest load, is the avs really going to carry, say 25 pounds or less of gear better than the spc to justify the 2 pound increase in vest weight and the heat trap of the harness?
>>65420996There is the possibility you will eventually have to carry a heavier load. Being able to scale up is probably better than minmax around a 20lb loadout.
>>65421069Peter north loads require Crye AVS+
>>6542099620.4lb is light with armor, what plates are in play here?
>>65421523everything is III+ with a m855 rating. front and back is 5.2 and sides are 1.4 pounds each. what’s really light is my mags (3) and water (500ml). Im never going to carry more than 2 flash bags, and I carry most of my 40mm ordinance off body because it’s all less lethal anyways so id rather keep it in a bag to ditch if things go to guns.
>>65421576>front and back is 5.25.2lb each, I hope, or you're an 8x10 kinda guy. Otherwise sounds good. You're positive you can get by with 500mL water? That's low.
>>65421598I’m not a soldier (anymore) or a prepared citizen. I dont even drink my kit water anymore, it’s really there for an emergency.
>>65421576How are you getting an M855 rating at 2.6 pounds per plate? SAPI XS? Sheeeit, even the genuine SAPI XS is 2.8 pounds per plate, and it's ICW. Are you sure you haven't been hoodwinked?
>>65421713I think he means 5.2lb per. Even the boron carbide $3k a set Hesco 3811 from 2023 is 3lb per 10x12. 2.6lb is either cheat ringed / nominally sized / corner cut to shit, or an absolutely state of the art plate using a B6O, PCD, or AlMgB14 face. Diamond Age had an experimental 2.2lb M855 + M80 rated plate using polycrystalline diamond, but it was a motherfuckeringly expensive, impossible to mass produce model.
>>65421598>>65421713gang I mistyped and forgot “each” they’re sapi large hoplite/ltc 23707s, 5.2 each. add in the 6x6 sides we’re at 13 pounds of armor. i’m also not considering the weight of my front panel or my pouches or anything on my beltline, just a rough of what I am carrying on my vest to assess if I’m wearing too much vest for the amount of protection and load im carrying
>>65421764Lol, all good.>hoplite/ltc 23707sThese are fine plates, but you're the second guy in the past month that's gotten these instead of 3810s / 3612s which basically mog it in every way.SAPI L 3810s would have saved you a pound, which allows you to put a pound towards something else like more water. 500mL will go quick if you're in the field a while.As for the vest, if it works, it works.
>>65421777no no, same guy. “if it works it works” isn’t really the answer I was looking for so allow me to rephrase.I have a crye avs. my harness is fine but my plate bags are ripping. Ive already done repairs once, They need replacement. I could spend $409 plus shipping right now for plate bags, but considering I now carry 1/3rd the mags, 1/6th the water, and some amount less of armor weight, should I instead spend my plate bag money on a new, more minimalist plate carrier such as the crye spc which will allow me to easily migrate all my crye pouches?
Anyone paying attention to this thread? Apparently SOCOM's M855A1+ is shorter, uses a tungsten core to maintain same mass, and has a muzzle velocity of 3,799ft/s out of a 20" or so.>>65421538We're in early revision ESAPI-busting territory here, unless the tungsten core is a blended metal PRL type for max fragmentation. I don't know how exactly they plan on issuing tungsten core as standard if this is true.
>>65421840lol, lmaoThat's a 2008-tier shoop, and it's completely retarded.
>>65421833>should I instead spend my plate bag money on a new, more minimalist plate carrier such as the crye spc which will allow me to easily migrate all my crye pouches?not him, but I'd say yes
>>65421833>no no, same guyShit, there really are only like twenty people here...>the crye once buy once something something A2...Ah, alright, that added info changes things. Didn't know the AVS platebags were shitting the bed on you. In that case, yeah, the SPC is the better call since you've clearly invested yourself in a lightweight getup.
>>65421846Muthafawka can't let a man dream!>it's retarded!Based Neetmaster say it's retarded refuse to elaborate further-ism. Anyway, now to play critic, the external ballistics are gonna be ass with a round like that, especially since they're gunning for 600 meter effective range out of a shortie. Next, SOCOM can't issue tungsten core standard. If they could then M995 / M993 wouldn't be so rare. Lastly, there is no indication M855A1+ is tungsten core from anywhere else... at all. It's supposed to just be pissing hot M855A1. Now let's talk about M995+, that'll be a different, 4000ft/s story.
>>65421875See >>65421843The M855A1 is about 1" long. That bullet would be something like 0.6", which is stupidly short. The whole thing would have to be solid tungsten for it to be 62 grains, but it's obviously not. If it's built anything like M855A1, even with the tungsten penetrator, it would be in the 30-40 grain range.The magic velocity gain is also dumb as shit. OG M855A1 was loaded extremely hot and they had to dial it back. The whole thing is low-IQ.
>>65421923Yeah I know, I was merely wishing such a thing was possible.
>>65419859Don’t forget thermal.So anyway, guys- I’ve got a little mossberg Shockwave. Should I sell it and grab myself a 590 Mariner?
>>65421965Never sell, only buy. Wait a paycheck.
>>65422065I want a mariner, but I’m not sure it’s worth the extra money.
>>65422096Only you can decide. I just spent some extra coin on GILLIAM instead of Jinwudun, because I decided that was worth it...
>>65422103>GILLIAMBased
>>65422103Forgot pic. >>65422103
Ensis debuted new groin and ass armor Thorn and Elba Looks to be a well thought out design. Their YouTube video goes in depth as to the why of the design
>>65422171It's also wildly expensive for what it is. Buy an ad
>>65420795Because plates are easier/cheaper to make and you don't need to spend a lot to get ceramic that stops bullets
>>65419856>discuss gearDiscuss this bad ass battle belt for <$80: https://shop.app/p/8682837967075
>>65422171>>65422182The groin protector alone is nearly as expensive as a Jinwudun skirt that provides 360 degree femoral IIIA, which is critical for frag environments and translates well to urban situations involving ladders with switches, provided stuff like 50gr Liberty isn't involved, or rifle threats... or a cheap crossbow from Cabela's.DSTU-2 protection is more stiff than IIIA, sure, but the odds of running into steel core 7.62x25 tok are a little long here in the States. If it were a serious problem, "IIIB" soft armor would still be going around.
>>65422182>Buy an adHe IS the ad, silly!>>65422171Thx, aill bet they use card board for fitment and design function.
>>65422201M8ne Gott! That's like 6 reasons to buy it!
>>65422194>and you don't need to spend a lot to get ceramic that stops bulletsThe problem is that if you can blow $665 on a bare low cut Highcum Stroker helmet that's functionally the same as a $70 Ceradyne BA3A from Botach, you shouldn't be rolling sketchy RMAs or 15 year old no-drop Highcom or LTC designs like 4SAS7s or 26149s. Now if you're buying second hand, that's different. $400 gets you a lot more mileage since used non-SOF plates fundamentally don't hold value.$500 on the second hand market gets you a pair of Protech 2230s that stop M2AP at Mach 3.12 and a BA3A. $1065 buying new gets you a pair of Highcoms you can't drop and aren't even true 10x12, and a Highcom helmet which struggles to distinguish itself from the BA3A.
>>65422117>>65422130GILLIAM CREW, REPRESENT
Fun comparison time. From left to right, Protech 2230, Gilliam GARMS 1, Hesco L210.
how are the safariland ulws/ceradyne n49s, protection wise? I have difficulty understanding the difference between these all nominally 3a helmets
>>65422420>I have difficulty understanding the difference between these all nominally 3a helmetsThat means you're paying attention, because you know IIIA for helmets doesn't officially exist and anything past II is 100% made the fuck up because the helmet standard, NIJ 0106.01, hasn't been updated since 1981. They've been trying to implement NIJ 0106.02, with a compliant product list, just like body armor, a modern BFD measurement protocol, and levels up to IV / RF3 since the early 00s. Still ongoing.>how are the safariland ulws/ceradyne n49s, protection wise?You have to compare the given .357 SIG, 9x19mm, and .44 Magnum velocities and also BFD numbers if they give them. The last one is a big thing. Some helmets stop .44 mag with 40mm BFD, others do it in 20mm, others like my steel NP550 stop 12 gauge 3" magnum slug with less than 20mm but weigh an extra pound versus comparable PE IIIA. A lot of companies do not give that data, so you're coasting a lot on company reputation and third party data. Frustrating, I know.
>>65422420I also like that they use NIJ 0108.01, aka the shield / vehicle armor / extremity armor standard, aka the standard where BFD doesn't matter, for all their helmets. Good going, 3M.https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1667240O/3m-ultra-light-weight-ulw-ballistic-bump-helmet-n49.pdfIf you want to guarantee helmets held to an actual consistent standard, you have to roll milspec like ACH or ECH, or go with VPAM models.
Are there any 6x8 horizontal side plates that level IV? >Yes, some temu mystery construction ling longsAny that are reputable, even reputable chinese.
>>65422624ESBI side plates, Hesco 4100/4101 side plates come in 6x8.
>>65422703I mean the other kind or horizontal. Where six is up and down, and the eight is side to side, retard
>>65422782Just rotate them, retard.
>>65422624Also no, not from anyone reputable iirc. Get them custom made from a guy like Gilliam.
>>65419856On my local news apparently suppressors will be just a bg check and no federal registry.Sweet!
>>65423076But that chnges everything.
>>65423100There will be BLOOD IN THE STREETS! People can't handle this kind of freed9m!
>>65422782>>65422624Militech has em fairly cheap.https://mili-tech.com/products/militech%C2%AE-nij-iv-side-ballistic-panels-pair-set?variant=43230332616860
>>65422782>Where six is up and down, and the eight is side to side,>t. 43" belt.
>>65423098I like how Gilliam went from being a meme to being this general's house brand for armor. lolI like that mine are 10x12 when they say they're 10x12. Other guys have a lot of problems with that.
>>65423214Listen there are puccians that run TWO side plates, and Ukrainians with CUSTOM Sapi XXL-Long 12x18s.
I really like how Gilliam sells a knockoff shellback banshee (already a shit plate carrier) and advertises it as a big and tall pc that catches ceramic frag because of all the extra bullshit mesh and layers.What fucking heebs
>>65423354lol what? You got a link for that?
>>65423367https://www.gilliamarms.com/collections/bulletproof-vestsRight on their website. Was poking around considering buying some plates since theyre on sale and found this. Immediately made me close the tab out, fuck buying shit from a company that does shit like this
>>65423409How is it 2XL+ and "big and tall" when it's made for 10x12" plates though? Weird.
>>65423422because the banshee is notorious for having poorly designed shoulder straps. The large padded portions on the front and rear make it impossible for a normal person to properly size the carrier and have plates ride at the correct height. So they took that design flaw and slapped a “big and tall” label on it to make it seem like its a feature. Scummy and deceptive
>>65423409>>65423428Lol I posted that like two months ago, it's a weird memeshit carrier. Won't argue otherwise on that. It however does not speak for the plates, except maybe the 9969. I still don't buy the idea they were able to drop half a pound by changing out the crack arrestor.
>>65423409Which plates were you looking at? He's doing a closeout sale on a lot of inventory so if you email him on to-be-discontinued models prices are negotiable.Somebody ought to shoot an offer for the 8002 cheapo tile array XSAPI+ fatsos.
>>65423572not looking at his plates anymore, I dont want to support them
>>65423609So you're gonna reject an entire armor company because they make a shitty carrier, even though their plates are by all evidence pretty good? Shit, we gotta shitlist Militech because their Level III helmet applique had huge BFD!
>>65381834One step closer... Pattern: Gridveil (arid)
>>65423620Yes exactly.
>>65423665So who you are looking at in place of Gilliam? Can't beat their 1635 Level IV dollar to dollar right now. Mogs the Hesco 4403.
>>65423668velocity systems
>>65423620Oh man wait until you see the BFD on the IHPS helmets. . . . When they're hit by 9mm FMJ! Imagine calling them "rifle-rated"I would shitlist whoever developed that thing, lol
>>65423687PBZSA / VS-TSA or one of their holdout old school plates? >>65423705IHPS has been shitlisted around these parts for ages, hasn't it? I remember when the applique was supposed to be good for 7.62x54R 7N1 at full velocity.Ceradyne's demise set this industry back twenty years.
>>65423759>IHPS has been shitlisted around these parts for ages, hasn't it?Okay, true, but it hasn't come up lately so I said to myself:> today I will remind themAlso, IHPS or Highcoom Striker? I think I'd actually go for the IHPS. Hahahahahahahhaha
>>65423631*technically Gridveil Terrain But I will admit Gridveil Urban would have more appeal to the MC BLK fans. Just not me...
>>65423762This is yer reminder then that RMA SUCKS. Gilliam > RMA.>Also, IHPS or Highcoom Striker? I think I'd actually go for the IHPS. HahahahahahahhahaBy all counts the Striker is at least some form of IIIA, I think. I'd go with that one.>>65423763That does look pretty good!
Threadly reminder Botach has eight cop surp Paraclete 10079s in stock for $100 a plate. Decent Level IVs at 7.5lb per. If you're hard up this is a solid option.https://surplus.botach.com/point-blank-paraclete-100079-level-iv-triple-curve-torso-armor-plate-10-x-12-shooter-s-cut-police-trade/?They ALSO have two sets of Paraclete 2518s for $280 a set. Same plate as the PPI 2518 from back in the day. These need IIIA soft but meet both III and IV requirements, while the 10079 isn't rated for III, plus some tungsten 5.56 AP. No drop protection on these.https://surplus.botach.com/paraclete-10x12-armor-plates-2-pcs-nij-level-iiia-2518-police-trade/?
>>65423874It's insanely autistic how you spend all your time looking for and posting deals no one will ever use on /gq/
>>65423810>pretty good!To my eye, also. Unconventional enough you're not in the herd. Buy I saw the Terrain scheme first and it fits my ao better.
>>65423893>took thirty seconds to find these deals>>65423895I like the aesthetic king.
>>65423893>and Jesus did say>the insanely autistic shall inherit the generalSo let it be written, so let it be done.
>>65423905Just sayin brother.
>>65423911>Long ago, when the pyramids were still young, Egyptian kings played a game of great and terrible power. Buying meth on Aliexpress.>>65423913If you see any Protech 2240s let us know chief. I look for those DAILY... UNEQUALLY.... AUTISTICALLY.
>>65423927>when the pyramids were still youngThe pyramids are older than the Establishment wants to admit and predate the last iceage.https://youtu.be/mVzdHEhC8YIYul Brenner was well over 15,000 yrs old when he died.
>>65423985What plates do we need to fight the Establishment?
>>65424036Gilliam Prodisetablishmentariamism Ramses II in XL with triple side plates and a LVL III miniskirt.
>>65424070>and a LVL III miniskirt.>Well I got that at least...Fun fact. DMGEAR sells velcro XL crotch flaps that fit 10x12 plates up to about 1.2" thick for $20-30 a piece. Run four of those and attach to the Jinwudun skirt with TacScorp velcro adapters, you have nearly 360 degree femoral coverage up to any level you choose, although if you want to protect your Ramses against .50 cal you'll need 1.4+" thick plates which won't fit and will require DIY.
Good testing data from DocGKR. The PPI 2518s from >>65423874 put on a solid show. See below:2518:(one plate used for 5.56 mm shots; second plate used for .30 caliber hits; third plate used for AP shots)3 shots M193 successfully stopped by the plate.3 shots of M855 successfully stopped by the plate3 shots of LeMas successfully stopped by the plate3 shots of M43 successfully stopped by the plate3 shots of M67 successfully stopped by the plate3 shots of M80 successfully stopped by the plate3 shots of M2AP successfully stopped by the plate3 shots of SSA 70 gr AP successfully stopped by the plate>tungsten core 5.56 70gr AP which outperforms M9951 shot of 12 ga slug successfully stopped by the platehttps://m4carbine.net/t/level-iii-patrol-armor-test/130321/12
>>65424488Damn not bad. 6.5 pounds ICW, around 7.5 pounds with a backer, totally mogs anything RMA makes, and it's a 20-year-old model.
the jinwundun skirt looks like it only provides adequate protection if the wearer is standing. Looks like the coverage shifts and fails to provide proper coverage if the user is kneeling or seated in a vehicle.
>>65424588A different design could give better coverage.
>>65424504Last time RMA had a plate rated for three M2AP, it was the cheat ringed 1189.Don't sleep on that PPI 10008 "ESAPI Surrogate" either. 5.42lb SAPI M, 6.5lb SAPI L. Stopped 3x M2AP and 3x 5.56 SSA tungsten AP on the same plate. Doc called it boron carbide, but if it does tungsten 5.56 that well it's more likely SiC-B4C hybrid tile. Basically like a REV. G but half a decade early. Also REV. Gs cap out at M995, which this AP outperforms, and aren't supposed to do 3x M2AP and THEN 3x 5.56 AP. Very good, especially for 2009. $1k a plate with LE pricing in 2009. Add 15% and then adjust for inflation and you're at $3.6k a set for SAPI L, probably 3.2k for SAPI M, so you're past Hesco 4800 / Adept Emperor here. More like Hesco SC3812 / Ceradyne MH3 CQB / Cercom CER-EMH territory.Also Verrett's has Hesco 4800s on sale for $2,160 a set.https://www.verrettstactical.com/products/hesco-level-iv-4800-multi-curve
>>65424588I run 4x PE rifle plates on mine and they help fill in the gaps if I'm kneeling. Seated the front one kinda floats.
>>65423354Ceramic frag is an issue, surprisingly enough. From DocGKR:>With these ceramic plate types, the amount of spall is a significant concern—during testing of the 2518 plates, a can of spray adhesive sitting 4 feet to the side of the plates was unexpectedly punctured by spall fragments and burst. In addition, with plates that depend primarily on ceramic elements to stop projectiles, shot spacing can be critical. Because of the generosity of PPI, we had enough plates to experiment with this parameter. These ceramic plate types are able to successfully stop projectiles when a 3” spacing between shots is maintained, however, when shot spacing was decreased to 2” or less, the additional shots fully perforated both the plates and underlying IIIa soft armor.The LTC 27400 also had the same issues. You don't see this with modern plates as much because of better adhesive, covers, and crack arrestors, but yes ceramics can "spall" as Doc described.>>65424504One caveat is that the 2518 is a do not drop. It coexisted with the original Highcom 4SAS4 back in 2008.
Anons, is the ECH better than the ACH?Also, where is a good place to buy?
>>65424986The ECH is far more robust than an ACH versus more energetic, larger fragmentation and has limited capability against basic rifle threats, like 7.62x39 lead or mild steel core, while the ACH does not. It however is not a "full" rifle rated helmet and isn't good for 7.62x51mm M80 unless velocity is low. There are other helmets for that, but they're usually $$$ except for a sketchy 6lb Jinwudun.A Gen II ACH is however much lighter.>Also, where is a good place to buy?Ebay, tacswap, gunbroker, local facebook / craigslist listings. Get used to doing a rotation because good deals go quick.tl;dr ECH is better for high threat situations, ACH is better if you're more facing basic pistol threats and could use the weight savings.
>>65422409green one is a fucking phone book
>>65425001That’s a tough decision. I’d ideally like something for night vision, but the looming potential threat of a global event where I would need an ECH is appealing..
Guys, I want a ballistic helmet for nods, but I’m having a tough time making decisions. I don’t wanna spend too much, but it would be nice to have something nice, but I don’t know anything about helmets.
>>65425452If you want something nice, you're going to pay. Unless you get something from HHV, which isn't the worst decision, but their shit is made in China. So at that point, you may as well just get a Chinese helmet for less money. That being said, your best bet is to just wait a few more months, save the money and pick up an ops core.
>>65425496Anon, there’s no way I’m dropping 2 grand on a helmet.
>>65425551Ok, then get a knock off chinese helmet, or a surplus.
>>65425551$75 on a BA3A from Botach then $80 for a boltless clamp on rail kit from ebay.>>65425496>ops-coreNot 2021 anymore, people can't use covidbux to buy gear, so that's way out of budget for most people getting into the scene. That money is also better spent in other areas.
>>65425290Somebody here needs to test the Jinwudun full Level III helmet. Heavy at nearly 6lb.https://jinwudun.com/products/jwd-level-nij-iii-bulletproof-helmet-mich-2000-helmet-type-helmet-15-meters-defense-7-62-51-m80-bullet-pe-material
>>65425942You wear it, I'll shoot it.
Alright, I didn't get the 2240 yet but I did find an improved model called the Protech 2230-1. Wasn't aware this is a thing.The regular Protech 2230 from >>65422409 is 7.5lb, using a thick aramid backer behind a ceramic face, with an UNEQUAL trauma pad. It's 1.2" thick and vastly exceeds Level IV requirements because it stops M2AP over 3,510ft/s and the requirement is 2,910ft/s. It also meets Level III's 6x 7.62 M80 req.The newer Protech 2230-1 switches to a polyethylene-fiberglass hybrid backer and the weight is now 6.8lb for a 10x12. Since this is an improved 2230, it frankly demolishes the 6.4lb Hesco 4601, which has far less headroom above NIJ velocity, and rivals the Adept Colossus which isn't a true 10x12 and would be 7.1lb if it were.This in turn means the actual 2240 from 2024 must be REALLY special.http://adshumanitarian.com/online-catalog/ocie/safariland-protech-armor-systems-2230-1-nij-06-type-iv-rifle-plate/
>>65425942has anyone ever tested any Jinwudun helmets?
>>65426067There are test reports buried on their site, but the BFD numbers are unimpressive. Up to 32mm against 9x19mm for a IIIA helmet, so .44 is gonna be ugly. Not very inspiring for the Level III, but 5.8lb does check out at least, weight-wise.VPAM contends backface signature for helmets should be no higher than 25mm, while also accounting for backface velocity and deformation width, not just depth.The fundamental problem is that Jinwudun uses cheap shitty materials because they are a B-grade company. Their plates are well below other Chinese guys like Militech, Gilliam, and others in terms of specs, weight, and price.
>>65426088>but the BFD numbers are unimpressivekinda what I expected. thanks for giving me the rundown.
>>65426034Nice find. Is it discontinued like the 2230?>polyethylene-fiberglass hybrid backerDoes this lower the M2AP v50 or is it the same?
>>65426107Not a problem. Jinwudun's role is basically to offer weird niche shit and plates at a price point below Militech. Unless you need a skirt or select kinds of helmets, shields, etc Militech is superior chinesium. With plates and basic helms it's no contest.>>65426140>Nice find. Is it discontinued like the 2230?Yes, I have confirmation from Safariland the 2230 and 2240 are both discontinued, so the 2230-1 is since it's a transitional model, just like how the 2220-1 was basically a weaker crappier 2230, but still a major improvement on the old 2220.>Does this lower the M2AP v50 or is it the same?Should be at least the same. Polyethylene is less velocity sensitive than aramid, which is good, and fiberglass is heavier than either but generally has low BFD. Using a combination of the two materials strategically can net a good result. Full PE is however better if you can control the BFD. PE has had major improvements since 2020.This means the 2240 is probably full PE backer, using the very latest improved grades from Dyneema or Honeywell since it was just discontinued in 2024, and likely around 6.3-6.4lb which for an honest 10x12 is VERY attractive.
>>65424728not saying its not real or an issue. What I’m saying is, they are taking a shitty design and putting a spin on it to sell said shitty design as a feature.
what is the best budget RF3 ICW plate
>>65426304The Paraclete formerly PPI 2518s from Botach can't be beat for $280 a pair, but are copsurp and rather old. Otherwise for ICW you're looking at old school LTCs like the 26149 from Bulletproofme. All of those are 0101.04 models and are down on drop protection and are only good for M2AP up to 2,880ft/s and not 2,910ft/s.Are you adamant on ICW?>>65426291That "spin" is just explaining the niche a shitty design has. Everything's got a niche. Steel plates are similarly shit if not moreso, but there's no denying that they have two niches versus ceramics. They stop hits much closer together and are immune to drops. Similarly, this carrier controls ceramic spall.
>>65426373yes, might as well be ICW since I’m building out a soft armor vest as my base. What about gillaims sale items
>>65426378The GARMS 3 is another option. It's half a pound lighter than the Paraclete 2518 and $300 a set, 6lb / 0.7" per. Same problem with no drop protection.https://www.gilliamarms.com/products/garms-3-srt-rf3?The problem with ICW plates is that you need to meet or exceed the soft armor the plate was tested with. Gilliam tested the GARMS 3 with his soft armor, which is current 0101.07 spec. You have to meet or exceed that with your soft armor. That's non-negotiable. Run shitty soft and the plate may fail you. Dead in the skreets.Paraclete's 2518 works with any certified 0101.04 or 0101.06 panel, and 0101.04's soft armor requirements are MUCH easier, given no conditioning protocol, so you have more leeway in case you already bought soft. On the other hand, the 2518s are old and you're gambling on condition. They do however meet both III and IV and have solid multi-hit accordingly. You don't know if they're good to go though, 100%, unless you xray.
>>65426378Also, to give you a verdict and some other options, basically it goes like this:>LTC 26149 series: old model, but new production. Meets III and IV to 0101.04.>PPI / Paraclete 2518: Old model, old production. Meets III and IV to 0101.04 plus 3x M2AP same plate instead of just one (3" spacing or more) along with some serious tungsten 70gr SSA 5.56 AP. Strongest available ICW option, at the moment, except for XSAPIs.>GARMS 3: One M2AP to 0101.06.>Used ESAPIs: VERY variable condition, but best weight-protection ratio of the above ICW options. REV. G nearly rivals the 2518 on rating but is a pound lighter and change. REV. As and other older versions are closer to the GARMS 3 on rating, but all milspec ESAPIs meet conditioning / durability requirements so they CAN take a drop.If you just need plug and play and have good enough soft armor, GARMS 3. If you're willing to gamble, 2518s. If you're willing to wait, ESAPIs and get a good pair of Gs or later. An ideal option would be REV. C XSAPIs which match the GARMS 3 on weight but have vastly superior 3x 7.62x51mm M993 protection, but those are scarce. REV. B / A are equal to the 2518 on weight and still do M993, which will pierce the 2518 all day even at range, but XSAPIs for sale nowadays lately are all roached. Pair on Tacswap looks like a corpse.
>>65425452Just get a cheap bump helmet as a placeholder so you can run NODs until you get a ballistic helmet.>>65425551If you look for used then you should eventually find a Team Wendy or older gen Ops Core for around $1k. You'll likely find other brands like Armor Source or Highcom around the $500 mark. If you can't spend more than $300 then you're stuck with either a surplus ACH or Chinese. If you're broke then go with >>65425704 and learn to live without the high cut.
>>65427252>vouching for used highcum striker
Botach Surplus strikes with deals again. This time, a Google Nest thermostat for $24.98. That's less than one Protech X-Cuh LP.https://surplus.botach.com/google-nest-thermostat-open-box/
>>65427252>>65427296Hahahahaha>>65425452Contrarian take coming through. Buy a helmet from HHV.Here's why ---> You don't want a used Highcum Striker, lol.> Surplus ACH/ECH helmets often don't come with rails/shrouds. And, if they do, they're usually beat to shit. > ACH/ECH padding sucks even when it's new. When it's surplus/used, it's fucking disgusting. So you'll need to spend another $50-100 on a new pad set, or you'll never want to wear your helmet.> It's faster+easier+(usually)cheaper to buy a decent new helmet, and not disgusting milsurp, 20-year-old Ceradyne overstock, or Highcoom.>>65425496>>65425704> ops-coreDo people not realize that their $2000 helmet is only rated for 9mm at something like 1195 fps? It's almost comical.
>>65427373I don't know if you think you're being funny or what, but it's cringe.
>>65427374>Do people not realize that their $2000 helmet is only rated for 9mm at something like 1195 fps?Yes. Are you under the illusion people buy ballistic helmets to stop rifle rounds? That would be almost as retarded as this post.
>>65427377Mr. Botach nobody wants your thermostat. >>65427374>Do people not realize that their $2000 helmet is only rated for 9mm at something like 1195 fps? It's almost comical.Making a case for the nova titanium from Adept , are we?https://www.ade.pt/product/nova-titanium-combat-helmet/?
>>65427384>Are you under the illusion people buy ballistic helmets to stop rifle rounds?>doesn't know rifle helms are a thingDid you walk in here from 2005? They... wait shit they had rifle rated helmets then too.
>>65427388I think that the Ops-Core is the "ballistic" helmet with the lowest ballistic rating.
>>65427393The ECH is probably the best practical "rifle rated" helmet, but it is hard to find a good one with rails and a shroud, and the pads are always going to need replacing.
>>65427405Certainly one of the easiest rifle helms to find. On paper the tip top is possibly the Adept Bastion, but that's harder to find than the Diamond Age N1, which is harder to find than Jimmy Hoffa. 7.62x39 MSC protection won't help you much CONUS if shit gets hot on the block. M855A1 + M80 will. Gotta keep in mind OCONUS is not the same rogue's gallery as CONUS, threat wise. Thus is why stuff like the LTC 28595 is awesome over there but awkward over here.Ceradyne had helms up to 7.62x51 AP but they're straight up unobtanium and B4C + PE is always gonna be heavier.
>>65427421Somebody is actually selling a Gen 2 IHPS on eBay. Very new. Definitely stolen. But it's supposed to be (on paper) a huge step up from the Gen 1 and ECH in terms of ballistic rating.> https://www.ebay.com/itm/147494034125
>>65427423>size smallFuck!
>>65427436I know, right? It's cheap, too! Damnit.
>>65427447It's like how "surplus" (haha...) GEN III ESAPIs are always in some stupid size like extra small or small - short.I've noticed they have no relevance in online discussions, probably because the relaxed 62mm BFD limit is a mistake.
>>65427457I've noticed that. But I've NEVER seen a Gen 2 IHPS for sale anywhere, this one might be the first. I hope >>65425452 is a Size S.
>>65427393>doesn't know rifle helms are a thingI know rifle rated helmets are a thing. Ops core has one. I know why you're pretending to be retarded and strawmanning arguments. I just don't know what the point of it is.
>>65427461Truly a monumental moment, like that time I found a pic of a VelSys GEN-6 Tactical Standalone but forgot to snip it and the ebay listing vanished.Do you have any specifics on how the Gen 2 IHPS unfucks the Gen 1?
>>65427374>Do people not realize that their $2000 helmet is only rated for 9mm at something like 1195 fps? It's almost comical.https://shop.gentexcorp.com/ops-core-fast-xr-high-cut-helmet-system/Then just get a $2,000 rifle rated helmet instead, you soft skulled fuck wit.
>>65427468The point is that some people do buy helmets expecting to stop rifle rounds, or something better than basic 9mm at that velocity. Really what the issue is, is that the Ops Core >>65427401 is memeing on is like trying to justify level IIA soft armor. Not applicable to CONUS these days and the statistics support that. NIJ flat out got rid of IIA.
>>65427471The Gen 1 was only officially rated for lead-core 7.62x39mm, and presumably 7.62x51mm at a standoff. The Gen 2 is reportedly at least as good as the new rifle-rated Ops-Core and TW helmets, so full RF1. I don't know about BFD, but I'm guessing it has also improved a lot.
>>65427486Ok, then they should buy helmets that stop rifle rounds. Some people are retards, that buy stupid shit, expecting it to do something else. I don't see how that reflects on anyone, except the retard that bought stupid shit, expecting it to do something else.
>>65427481>Engineered to protect up to 7.62x39mm lead core rifle rounds>not even mild steel coreAh yes for when we go back to 1995 and gangbangers try and drive-by us out of a Buick with a draco and norinco drum but forgot the norinco MSC at home.If it loses to 7.62x39 MSC it'll get its ass kicked by M855. Hard Hat's M855 applique unironically wins here.
>>65427495>Shifts goal postsThat $2000 helmet is not only rated for 9mm. We're back to, I know why you're pretending to be retarded. I just don't understand the point behind it.
>>65427495I'm not memeing and don't call me retarded, but is picrel lead or steel core? Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that most 7.62x39mm in the US is lead-core?
>>65427488If it's good for full RF1 then it'll have greatly reduced BFD against easier threats. That sounds pretty good, but I'm waiting on the 7.62x54R 7N1 applique it was supposed to have...In which Ceradyne in 2004 did something Avon flogging Ceradyne's corpse in 2026 cannot. Pity.>>65427493Agreed! If you want a rifle helm, buy a rifle helm. If you want a IV+ plate, buy a IV+ plate and don't get assmad when a Hesco shits the bed 30ft/s over spec. Great battles have been fought here about that...
>>65427500NTA but the FAST SF is the slow-9mm-only helmet.> https://shop.gentexcorp.com/ops-core-fast-sf-next-generation-headborne-system/
>>65427500I was talking about the rifle rated helmet which was linked, criticizing the rather limited 7.62x39 lead core protection.>>65427503That's lead. Norinco or somebody else (maybe Tul) did import a shitload of MSC at some point however (if Norinco it would have to have been ages ago, so maybe not just them) and it's one of the three NIJ RF1 threats accordingly, because, at least per the DOJ, it's statistically an issue.
>>65427495>Hard Hat's M855 applique unironically wins here.Yeah dude, slapping 1 lbs of armor to your head is better. You're right. At that point, we may as well slap on 10 lbs, hell, maybe even 100 lbs. Why not go all out, strap 73 tons, put it on some tracks, add an engine and a 120 mm cannon. You can make anything bullet proof if you put a bunch of shit on it.
>>65427506Ok, then if that's your worry, don't get that. Get the $2,000 rifle helmet instead.>>65427513Oh, I see. So you misunderstood my post from the very beginning. Your mistake, no worries.
>>65427516I'll take an extra pound over being dead chief. I get your concern with runaway weight increases, but it's overblown here. It's a pound. We're having the ESAPI vs XSAPI debate all over again except retarded and about helmets.
>>65427520I think somebody bought the $2000 helmet
>>65427519Salty today?
>>65427525Which loses to basic 7.62x39 that, according to the NIJ, is one of the basic key rifle threats?That $2k could have been a pair of Hesco 4800s. Fuck man.
>>65427520It's not overblown. Anyone who has had to wear a helmet knows the difference between a bump and a ballistic is only about 1 lb, and knows how much strain that 1 lb puts on your neck. Adding another lb on top of that is going to be an issue.
>>65427531SOMEBODY should get the $650 IHPS Gen 2, though. Holy shit what a steal. We got a Size S in the house?
>>65427527>Misunderstood my post>uhhhh no I'm not dumb ur just saltyLmao, buddy is mad as fuck for misunderstanding.
>>65427533Ah yes so Adept, Ceradyne, Tencate, and VelSys are all completely full of shit then, selling these... neck breaking appliques!
>>65427540The IHPS has an applique, too. Also the difference between a Size S ACH and a Size XL is a full pound. XL wearers are dying bro.
>>65427536self report of the century. For you, this post was the most important post of this thread. For I, it was... something I'll forget about tomorrow. >>65427534I'd rather it go to an anon as well, with the caveat that somebody should consider maybe having it not delivered to their house...
>>65427544hahahaha, yeah, that's fair.
>>65427544It's fine man. I don't know why you're still mad about it. You fucked up, it happens. You misunderstood my post and shit yourself about it. It's all good.
>>65427543Reminds me of the guys bitching and moaning that XSAPIs are half a pound (one pound a set! A pound!) heavier than ESAPIs.The alternative is death. I'll take a little extra weight and thickness over that. I mean Tencate, best name in the fucking industry, was selling Level IV helmets in the early 00s. TEN POUNDS for full all around MULTI-APPLIQUE protection! That is TEN broken necks in one!Mission dictates gear. It also dictates protection level.
WTF is this: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/800498679232Somebody chopped the shit out of a PASGT, gave it rails, a shroud, and some sort of Chink AMP knock-offs? Now it's $300? That's actually pretty sweet. >>65427555Checked and agreed.
>>65427552You want some X-CAL LPs? They stop 7.62x39 mild steel core... BZ API even.https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1196552933Just gotta back em with soft armor.>>65427557I was more looking at this glow in the dark BAE Systems Samurai helmet, but the workmanship on that looks good.https://www.ebay.com/itm/287474790959
Can we circle around to the fact the gunjoker dude sold FORTY X-CAL LPs which don't stop shit unless you follow a whole ass recipe on the correct soft armor?The legacy of the Highcum 4SUS4 lives on. Everybody's buying thirty dollar plates but bro here is defending a $2,000 helmet.
Can we agree if we are putting on full battle rattle any armor that can only stop pistol rounds is mostly useless? I mean overt not covert.
>>65427573Stipulated, but conditionally. How do you propose matching the coverage of BALCS or concealable vest soft armor with rifle protection? Dragonskin? The current affordable version of that isn't even rated for M855 and FRAS is ASS.If you're in the hood right now the majority of threats will be glocks with switches. Yeah, ARPs, turkshit semis, and dracos on a bad day but that's a bad day. If you have BALCS soft + rifle hard then you're going right down the middle and aren't relying on weird solutions.
Anyone want a folding ballistic shield disguised as a briefcase? Either a "IIIA+" (IIIA plus 7.62x25 steel core, because Chinesium and that round's a major issue in Hong Kong - will pop typical IIIA) or Level III all-PE.https://jinwudun.com/products/foldable-bulletproof-briefcase-nij-iiia-rated-lightweight-uhmwpe-material-portable-4-fold-designYou can now conceal a shield in business environments... affordably!
>>65427612I'm thinking based. Looks especially useful for bodyguards and secret-service-type duty.
>>65419856I would just like to say that i like OP's obvious AI image and it reminds me of this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4n9FgRzm9I
>>65427583>How do you propose matching the coverage of BALCSThat is for shrapnel which is not in my threat assessment generally. I do like more coverage and yes SAS dragonskin is the best current option for more coverage but is expensive. I wish the chinese would compete in that market.>concealable vest soft armorI said overt not covert, different ball game>glocks with switchesThat is used against unarmored people 5 yards away. Very inaccurate and any none vital hit with 9mm is not serious. Anyone with an AR would easily overmatch a glock switch. Draco's and ARs are a far bigger threat. To be honest those people would be overrun in no time we can look to history to predict the future and those people pose little threat in a openly hostile environment when the numbers are not overwhelmingly on their side.
>>65427623Jinwudun is good for something... sometimes. Skirts, shields, visors, extremity armor, and sketchy Level III helmets.I'd prefer GBES for extremity armor but their shit is mucho moolah lately. Like their forearm IIIA though.>>65427628>That is for shrapnel which is not in my threat assessment generally. Was thinking more IIIA / HG2 for CONUS. Frankly every attempt to raise armor plates to match soft armor coverage has been a disaster.>SAS dragonskin is the best current option for more coverage but is expensiveThe B4C stuff is too expensive right now for mere RF2 protection. If we're going full bore, full coverage overt I'd want at least A1. M2AP is preferable but flexible rifle armor struggles with IV and has flr years.>I wish the chinese would compete in that market.Guard Dog had a chinesium knockoff FRAS but it got shut down by lawyers. Pity.>I said overt not covertWas referring to the cut of soft armor. Think typical police vest.>Anyone with an AR would easily overmatch a glock switch.Certainly, but it's far easier to conceal a glock than an ARP. Same reason, fundamentally, why you rarely hear of home invasions with dudes wearing plates. Looks real awkward if you and your three dudes get pulled over in platecarriers with 4SAS4s, and wearing armor during a felony is always a tack-on charge.
>>6542757240 boomers just bought plates that disintegrate when dropped and they probably don't know it needs soft armor.
>>65427664Well, I found a state of Ohio price list from 2019 and the discounted contract price for the LP was $110 a plate, from $200. Take that for what you will.>40 boomers just bought plates that disintegrate when droppedAnd it's rated single strike versus all threats, Fudds proven right once again!>and they probably don't know it needs soft armor.Not just any soft armor, only about a dozen very specific Safariland IIIA panels will do!Also, can we take note of the fact DocGKR received TAP Gammas in the mail which arrived fucked up, just as anons received 4SAS4s in the mail fucked up fifteen years later? >Durability: The TAP plates thin ceramic layer is susceptible to fracturing; several of the plates we tested exhibited small chips and cracks in the ceramic on arrival. These plates require careful handling and storage to prevent damage.See link in >>65424488. On a side note, I do appreciate that Gilliam padded the hell out of the box of plates I ordered even though they were all-PE and therefore drop immune. Would be nice if Highcom's guys did that...
>>65427694What would happen if you doubled up IIIA panels under the X-CAL? Think cheap Botach Chinesium softs.
>>65427296Please be patient. I am retarded and still getting up to speed on deep ball /bag/ knowledge. It wasn't meant to be a vouch but, more of an example of what's on the used market around that price point. I probably should have known better since I've seen you guys mention the Highcom Striker fraud a couple of times.I would have mentioned Protech or Busch Protective instead for that price bracket but, forgot about them since they hardly show up on ebay and GunBroker these days.
>>65427728It'd probably be fine. Safariland's specific panels aren't twice the strength of Botach's basic ass IIIA panels, and Botach has a IIIA+ if you want to use that. The IIIA panels are 1lb a pop for 10x12, the IIIA+ is 1.7lb which is god-awful but might actually work "properly" with the X-CAL.Best case scenario you're at 5.46lb + 1.7lb, which is 7.16lb. This is for an SRT that isn't even rated for M855A1, is only rated for ONE 7.62x51mm M80 when Chinese 2.5lb PE plates will do a minimum of six, and weighs more than the IV+ 6.8lb Protech 2230-1.The price is $30 for the plate, $80 for the IIIA+ panel, so you're $110 a plate not counting shipping. $220 a pair could get you some Paraclete 10079s or Protech 2014Gs or something. You're at 0.8" thick with the X-CALs and the IIIA+ so it's not exactly covert either. The LP just honestly sucks unless you're otherwise out of options.
>>65427760Oh, I know the X-CAL sucks, I was just curious if you could make it sorta work with cheapass Botach shit, which is all you can afford if you're buying X-CALs for the price since SG ran out of Italian surplus III PEs. That's if FedEx doesn't Messi your X-CAL delivery (fat chance!) and you get ceramic crumbs in a plate shape.
>>65427737All good, lol. There's nothing "fraudulent" about the Highcom Striker. The Highcom problem helmet is the RCH, since that was drummed up as this legit III+ helmet by clowns such as Apex Armor but in reality, using Highcom's actual documentation, it's just an overpriced as fuck ECH. This does accordingly hurt Highcom's credibility since they can shut Apex down at any time but aren't doing that, and therefore puts the Striker in a bad light too.For the RCH, Apex was listing v0s higher than Highcom's v50s. That's a huge no no.
>>65427770With that IIIA+ panel, probably, but at $110 a piece there are better options.The LPs are years old at this point. If DocGKR was getting TAP Gammas delivered to him new with ceramic damage, and these X-CALs are even less robust than that, how much can one trust a decade of handling, law enforcement use, and several rounds of shipping? It's fortunate that armor plates are rarely shot in anger. I have a feeling a lot of 0101.04 and do not drop plates won't pass muster if called upon. Sure, Doc's Gammas mostly worked even damaged, but they were "new" Those 20,000+ or so 4SAS4s Highcom sold are a lawsuit waiting to happen too. TacShit did not ship them well.. for shit.
>>65427777Good to know. I love how Yushi Sun and Apex by extension became /bag/'s lolcow of sorts. Also nice quads.
>>65427830He was a member of /bag/ back in the day, back when the old guard ran it. Used to have a solid rep (at least in armor) and then just got shitty. It reflects poorly on Highcom that he's one of their top dealers, which is maybe part of why they're transitioning to doing direct sales and cutting dealers out.
>>65427799Oh, absolutely, at this point I'd trust some of the Botach offerings (at least Longfri produced ones) more than the "bro trust me cuh" X-CALs from Fuddbroker. As for the 4SUS4 and all the other wacky fly by night shit out there, caveat emptor. The body armor market truly is the Wild West outside of the current NIJ CPL. Forget crypto and startups, any moron can pack a Chinese plate carrier with random plastic/steel/ceramic chunks they got for pennies on the dollar and call it whatever "armor" level they want, then normies and even whole-ass PDs will buy it for $$$, only to find out it stops jack and shit, not even .22LR from a pistol at 50 yards. Hell you can probably build your own armor from pressed bonded fiberglass and alumina Home Depot tiles and it'd be better than some of the no-name shit on fleabay.
>>65427374>Contrarian take coming through. Buy a helmet from HHV.Thanks for the advice anon! Now.. High cut or normal?
>>65427910Do not buy HHV. They're literally just Chinese helmets. If you're going to buy HHV just buy Chinese. It's the exact same thing, without the dude bro mark up.
>>65427913I hate dude bro culture. Where can I buy chinesium ballistic helmets? I’m pretty set on getting a ballistic helmet. I am not about to buy a $2,000 helmet, and I kind of don’t see a point to getting just a bump helmet.Do I ever plan on getting into a firefight? No. But in case the world ever becomes a free for all server, I don’t want just a bicycle helmet unless you guys have a super good points to bring up.I will say- if there’s anything I learned from Tarkov, a steel helmet is better than no helmet, but a really nice helmet for a big price isn’t that much better.Which btw I do have a couple old M1 steel pots.
>>65427939https://mili-tech.com/collections/ballistic-helmethttps://www.ade.pt/adept-helmets/
>>65427939Unironically places like Botach, they sell Longfri PASGT IIIAs for like $170 new. They also have a surplus site for used gear they've gotten traded in by police departments, they've got used Ceradyne BA3A IIIA helmets for as low as $75.Granted, IIIA won't stop a rifle but it's a LOT better than some rebadged bike helmet.
>>65427939Seconding other anons >>65427942 and >>65427955 here. Don't forget the Warmag NP550 as well. It's a robust IIIA+ steel helm which eats shit like 12 gauge slugs with reduced BFD, sub 20mm, and also 7.62x25 steel core.https://warmag.llc/home/ws-/products/coreshield-np550-steel-helmet?Basically akin to the Adept Novasteel but much stronger, heavier, and full cut.
>>65427942>>65427955>>65427966Awesome! Thank you guys. I’ll 100% check these out.
Anyone else do anything fun with their gear this pleasant weekend?
Can we discuss comms thoughSeems like the rage for the EFJ Johnson and XTS2500 radios has passed a entirely, what happened? Supplies just dried up, vulnerability found or something much better came along?What's the latest meta nowadays? Don't tell me that fagtastic/fagcore shit
>>65428328>Can we discuss comms though Man I need to learn how to set up comms...>What's the latest meta nowadays?Buy 100 baofeng uv5rs for 6$ a pop on Chinese amazon.
>>65428355>Man I need to learn how to set up comms...I'd have loved to info dump a few paragraphs if you asked nicely, but.... >Buy 100 baofeng uv5rs for 6$ a pop on Chinese amazon.Nigga nobody wants to hear your doodoo water tier recommendations if you need to learn comms in the first place, just stfu then6 bucks only buys you an extra battery or programming cable, learn2aliI've had fengshit already, they works but they're not good.>inb4 muh disposable meme radioMurphy's Law dictates that it WILL shit on you at the WORST time ever. No thank you. Don't come at me at all with AliExpress shitcans.
>>65428443>I'd have loved to info dump a few paragraphsThanks.>but.... That was obviously a joke, man. Who the fuck would buy 100 baofengs?
>>65428469>That was obviously a joke"When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace becomes a circus."Go and don't come back, rope or learn to not make everything into joke. You don't deserve my advice.
>>65428328Ailunce HD2
>>65428667>Don't come at me at all with AliExpress shitcans.Guess I'll stick with my XTS2500 for another year.
>>65428684>have perfectly fine working radio>must consoom new radio>gets economical Ailunce option with AES256 and digital modes>chinese>nooooo!pottery
>>65428700Meh. the XTS2500 is only phase 1, which has some vulnerabilities. Wouldn't mind switching over to phase 2. Too bad the P25 implementation is absolute dogshit on the RF7800-HH otherwise it would've been a long-term goal to save up for.I guess I might just pick up an HP682 to round out the nest for now, see what is up with DMR.>all that hobo whiningDon't come at me with that poorfag shit when I've explicitly asked not to. I just know you work at some braindead, dead-end job like flipping burgers or repoing cars. Just a meat mecha with zero intelligence required
>>65428728>HP682>$600This man spends money to just spend money. Do you actually talk to people on the radio? Maybe >>65428355 was onto something. Give some UV-5Rs to the neighborhood.>I just know you work at some braindead, dead-end job like flipping burgers or repoing cars.self report
>>65428684XTS2500 bro reporting inThinking about getting a vehicle setup done up, eyeing the XTL5000. Is there something specific you’re trying to do that your XTS2500 is holding you back from or just want something fresh?
>>65428728>>65428737should have hit the update before posting, I see. Not a DMR guy myself but I’ve been tempted to mess around with it as well.
>>65428744Ailunce HD2 has DMR ya know, $150
>>65427909>Oh, absolutely, at this point I'd trust some of the Botach offerings (at least Longfri produced ones) more than the "bro trust me cuh" X-CALs from FuddbrokerPeople really jumped the gun on the 5.5lb and 6lb Level IVs. They had problems, sure. Nominal sizing, cheap materials, no drop protection, high BFD, and shots would pass through in some dudes' testing because they were too close together. Fundamentally most the same issues as Highcom or current RMA plates, except with Silicon Carbide and PE so the Botachs ran lighter.Their III+ plates are kinda eh but it's plug and play versus the X-CAL.>The body armor market truly is the Wild West outside of the current NIJ CPLEveryone seems to have either brand loyalties or brand disloyalties, so I liken it to twenty different religious denominations trying to figure out which one actually has it right.>Hell you can probably build your own armor from pressed bonded fiberglass and alumina Home Depot tiles and it'd be better than some of the no-name shit on fleabay.Some anons did use to do this, it was on the /pfg/ guide as a very last ditch option for if you couldn't afford 4SAS4s... I have said before RMA should have kept the old #1145 (old 1155 but without the drop pro) as a last ditch model to try and attract steeltards. Bad idea but would make them money.I think people have poor impulse control and have to have shit RIGHT NOW, which is why armor sales lately are all racing to the bottom on price, why steel plates are still around, and why budget-focused guys like Gilliam are gaining ground. Gilliam's sold over a thousand of the cheapo cheat ringed $174 a set or so OA+ plates on Ebay alone. He struggled to move the $1k/set 9969s though and had to slash the price hard.
>>65428734It's called having disposable income. Maybe get your money up, not your funny up.I actually have a few GMRS bubble pack radios on the shelf for that. they were 5 bucks per pair and they just take three AA-batteries. Even lucked out and they're on the new channel plan. But it's not my job to provide unprepared fags with good comms. They're like giving retards a whistle to blow in case of fire, a cheap trip wire if someone gets robbed or something. You can't change their programming, meaning a nosy kid fucking up my programming, just the PL tone or channel at most. I know you can use CHIRP disable a bunch and there are AA-battery cases for UV-5R, but that's okay.If I use my roof mounted scanner antenna these cover the entire neighbourhood sufficiently. Thinking of getting a simplex repeater for those situations.>self reportI think you meant to write something about projection. Nice try though.>>65428737not really, but the cheap sources seem to have dried up for the XTS2500 and EFJ's. Back then we were spreading out our budgets across different areas like transportation and getting a well put in on the property.Heard that DMR actually sounds like shit though.
>>65428787Any thoughts on a meshnet system, radio anon? Been wanting to get into that for a while but I dunno if it's just memeshit, not my department.
>>65428752I’m not buying something just to buy it. If I just wanted to check a box and say I have comms, I’d use my cellphone. There are more established and reliable options.
>>65428797NTA. Can you actually point to an example of an Ailunce shitting the bed where a Motorola or Hytera wouldn't? Obviously no free lunch rule applies but if the Ailunce does check all the boxes, is the argument really that it's just not established?It's got USB-C, AES-256, DMR, short on P25 though.
>>65428794OpenMANet looks incredibly dope, and I'd be looking into it if we actually used ATAK.Meshtastic and MeshCore are far from tactical comms, so we just stick to two-way radio.Buddy of mine picked up a node, but he only receives messages when he's in (view of) a metropolitan area. Might be something for suburbia, but again it's absolutely useless for fire watch and patrol duties since no instant voice comms. But it's super easy to get into according to my buddy, gotta give 'em that. >>65428809If you actually held an Ailunce and a Hytera or Motorola in each hand you wouldn't ask this question
>>65428823So you're paying 4x the price for a Hytera because it feels like it has better workmanship?That's one hell of a markup.
>>65428809Based off a two second google, there are multiple reports of the radio having a terrible spurious emission profile, issues with firmware, issues with obtaining programming software, and general unreliability from a support standpoint. If you’re okay with buying mystery meat stuff just to save a few hundred bucks then more power to you, as long as you are willing to put up with the quirks you are inviting. If you don’t place that much value in comms then you are never going to justify stepping up to a better platform and thats fine I guess, but it doesn’t mean everyone else has to be held back to operate at your desired entry point in the market
>>65428836Skill issues
>>65428826>So you're paying 4x the price for a Hytera because it feels like it has better workmanship?No, I'm paying 4x the price because I trust it'll still work if I walk in the rain all night or it goes airborne in a hand-to-hand engagement etc.Plenty of examples of cops using their Motorola as an improvised baton and it surviving to call in backup.Another one is that APX surviving a fire and just needing a replacement exterior case.Tell me, are all of your guns made by Hi-Point?It just werks, right?>>65428836Also this
>>65428826>>65428839sounds like you are trying to justify your cheap radio purchase. Best of luck, I’m sure you will enjoy it.
>>65428843And do you have proof an Ailunce won't hold up in the same conditions? I mean granted the Ailunce reviews are meh, but that's amazon and people there buy bedsprings and then pay for "amazon expert service" to put it together becauss they can't read.
>>65428843dudes in this general will talk to themselves till theyre blue in the face about this plate and that plate, drop tests, multi-hit performance, you need a rifle rated helmet, but not that rifle rated helmet, it needs to be even more rifle rated so you can gecko45 a sniper round! The second a discussion on quality for enablers comes up and its >yeah bro just add to cart whatever on ebay or amazon, the listing description some chink wrote says its better than military hardware, all you need!
>>65428853>there is a bunch of evidence that this radio is junk, but I dont believe it because surely they are all more retarded than me
>>65428855>spitting facts and mentioning gecko45Good to see sensible oldheads aroundI'm tired bros
>>65428855>>65428857>The second a discussion on quality for enablers comes up and itsChief, to use an actual armor analogy you're trying to justify $2,100 a set Hesco 4800s or a $2,000 Ops Core to people who are looking at chinese Gilliam plates and chinese Militech helmets. Wrong scene.This is why anons are pushing back. Yes the Hytera or Moto are gonna be better built than an amazon radio, but most anons rarely even use their radios, let alone beat the shit out of perps on the street with it.
Are Axl structural shoulder pads worth $70? Anything similar for cheaper? Also what's the best placard to run 5.56 and 7.62AK mags? Ideally flapped.
>>65428860I do get the same feeling when I'm looking at the PPI 2518s on Botach. Fuck I should really buy a pair as spares.But then do I gamble on how they've been handled... hmph.>Gecko45For the record, our Gecko45 (Adept Shill) got ran out of town like two years ago. If we were all geckoing it up the only plate recommended would be the Adept Colossus, because it does handle .338 lapua...
>mfw I have to go to /out/ to actually talk about gear that isn't plate obsession
>>65428865the wrong scene? Sorry, I didn’t realize /gq/ stood for “cheap chinese junk general” There used to be quality discussions on all sorts of gear and equipment in here that ran the price/performance gauntlet. The ironic part is no one is pushing higher tier, over budget stuff to those who have no use for it. One anon asked for recommendations and was hit with just-as-good cope immediately, and then you get indignant when he pushes back? What a joke. If you dont value what a quality radio provides, thats cool. But not everyone has to be forced to play in the slop with you. People are allowed to have higher standards for any reason, as anon aptly put.get your money up, not your funny up
>>65428890Is that where I need to go to enjoy the /gq/ discussions of old? sweet
>>65428855this, I hate this general it's just fat faggots arguing about armor. I want actual gear discussion. If you start talking about berry compliant gear people don't know shit, and just reverb the same stuff everyone else says, instead of talking about the actual smaller companies innovating.
>>65428884Militech has IIIA shoulder pads for $60 if that interests you.https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256812042111778.html>>65428890Yeah I do actually agree it's a problem. Can we find other areas' autists and put them in a box and ship them over here? The issue is that we have a strong concentration of armor autists but the autism in other areas is meh.
>>65419865also a lot of this info graphic is out dated as fuck. I could give you probably a dozen better options for chest rigs, belts, and especially split rigs. Because it's just 1 person obsessed with armor shit 1 single autist that's been pissing here for about 2 years now.
>>65428910yeah because the second someone talks about something else they get bullshit like chink radio anon sperging
>>65428899>I didn’t realize /gq/ stood for “cheap chinese junk general”Yeah breaking news we merged with /pfg/ after /gq/ and /bag/ merged. This general is six generals in a trenchcoat.>There used to be quality discussions on all sorts of gear and equipment in here that ran the price/performance gauntlet.Yes this website used to be more popular and got more traffic.Long story short, the generals merged because there wasn't traffic to justify simultaneous gq, bag, nvg, pfg, larpg, etc. I think you got me mistaken with another anon.>>65428906Then talk about berry compliant gear? Nobody is stopping you.
>>65428910>Militech has IIIA shoulder pads for $60 if that interests you. Looking for something structured like the SSP really.JPC I have isn't built out yet, but the shoulder straps that came with it dig in a bit after putting 10x12 AR500 plates (yes I know steel bad I'm only using them as training plates).
>>65428912Then make a better infographic? There are solutions to your problems.>>65428923This meltie all started because taobao guy made a joke about a hundred uv5rs for six bucks a pop, for the record.
>>65428927I have heard people like the PIG BRIG ones.>AR500trust me it'll feel better when you get lighter than that.
>>65428925>Nobody is stopping you.the entire thread is literally 1 dude talking to himself
This general has two speed settings. Either it takes a week or the thread hits bump limit in <72 hours.
>>65428943Schrodinger's Ops Core, simultaneously meme'd on and rizzed up by the same guy.>NOBODY TALKS ABOUT ARMOR EXCEPT ONE GUYstraight up delululu chief. Why is it that radio guys know their shit but completely flip lids when things get an ounce... Chinese?
>>65428355What's the price on an Anytone 878 or Ailunce on Taobao?
>>65428925and that is exactly the issue. This doesnt need to be /gq/, let it fucking die. If the 3 resident armor autists want to discuss plates into the void, make this /bag/ and any gear discussions can organically spring up in independent threads. If enough interest in gear is generated and a community starts to form where it warrants a general, bam, /gq/ reborn if necessary. Thats the beauty of this site, it doenst need to be like leddit with permanent subs.Dudes get mad about this and worry about fragmenting already small populations, but I would say is whats worse is driving out the population even interested in contributing to /gq/ in general with poorfaggery and circular discussions on body armor day in and day out. And you can’t just say >well talk about what you want to talk about, nobody is stopping youwhen 2 posts before you actively try to quash discussion by claiming this is the wrong scene for wanting to discuss something better than absolute bottom of the barrel entry level radios.
>>65428950no one is flipping lids, its just annoying to justify why someone wouldn’t want to settle for a chinese radio when a few years ago it was the level-set understanding that /gq/ is for, well, gear queers who are interested in something more than just say a chicom chest rig if they want to carry magazines.
>>65428964And this is the crux of the issue, generals do not come back when they die. When was the last time you saw a /pfg/ or /bag/?>when 2 posts before you actively try to quash discussion by claiming this is the wrong scene for wanting to discuss something better than absolute bottom of the barrel entry level radios.Wasn't aware this was a discord. The point I was making is that people like >>65420259 >>65421965 and >>65422197 and >>65422345 aren't interested clearly in top shelf shit. You're selling BMWs to dudes who just want a camry and then having a melty when they aren't interested.Similarly, there is a reason why basically nobody cared when Adept launched the new 4.6lb $3k a set Adept Emperor Level IV. People are not interested in top of the line right now. Market conditions.
>>65428972>no one is flipping lidsBud we've been at this for over an hour, I can smell the frustration.>when a few years ago it was the level-set understanding that /gq/ is for, well, gear queers who are interested in something more than just say a chicom chest rig if they want to carry magazines.>chicom chest rigThought we were talking about the whole poor-to-not-poor spectrum here?Anyway, those guys left and moved on, and /pfg/ moved in.
>>65428884Never used them, I’ve heard rave reviews though. They do seem obnoxiously large which might lead to issues with wearing a multiple straps like a pack/sling/camelbak etc. Not cheaper, but I’ve been using the pads from dust aspirations. Incredibly comfortable and unobtrusive, make wearing a heavy plate carrier a dream. Worth scrounging the pennies imo.
>>65428982>when was the last time I saw a /pfg/ or /bag/oddly enough, im staring it in the face right now. Unfortunately I was meaning to stumble into a /gq/
Also, on further review, literally nobody on the internet except here discussed the Adept Emperor except for ONE comment on reddit.I get the armor autism here is arcane to people who aren't themselves armor autists, but the problem fundamentally is that a "just fucking nylon man" /gq/ like most forums will get sucked dry by reddit, the killer of independent online discussion. What does old or new /gq/ have to say about an LV-120 that /r/tacticalgear doesn't?Curiously, reddit armor discussion is shilled to shit and non-technical, and this place lacks those weaknesses, hence why the five or so armor autists hide out here.If we had the traffic I'd agree a nu-/bag/ would be better, but we don't and the end result is that the autists would be there and it would fall off page 10 after 40 posts, and shills would roll back in here.
>>65428999so by your own admission, why not just rename this to a more fitting description of the general/pfcatrncag/poor fag chink armor and toy radio no crye allowed general
>>65428939I have a set of decent Hesco plates coming in soon, should cut the weight down by like 6 pounds. Although water and ammo haven't been accounted for yet.PIG shoulder pads look nice though. >>65429001>dust aspirationsWill be looking into these as well, thanks.
>>65429003Then you must have had a coma man, because /gq/ was armor central even in 2022-2023 under different autists, during the dark reign of ADEPT SHILL.>who wouldn't shut the fuck up about the Adept Colossus being THe OnLy CiVilIan AccessIbLe Sp00k Pl4te evar!!!Wonder what happened to that guy. I'll admit my armor 'tism is an eight on a 1-10 scale, but I at least talk about different products rather than schizoposting about how we all need M993 protection to go to the grocery store.
>>65429010That's above my paygrade, go ask A2. He's the thread king, not me.But yes I do call this joint /gqbagpfgnvflarpgalig/ from time to time. Truly the master general.
>>65429015>Hesco>should cut the weight down by like 6 poundsVery nice. For the guys in the back, anon here would be getting lambasted for not buying 9x11s from Highcum or RMA on reddit, because Hesco Bad because they had a few NIJ suspensions more than half a decade ago.>>65429010>chink armorLol, Chinese armor mogs american unironically until you get above $650 a pair new.
>>65428950>straight up delululu chief.>said the sock puppetYou and "your buddy" take a pill.
>>65429053Yes, because one guy would simultaneously have five different positions on the same helmet with different writing styles and tones.
>>65429010Bro china makes everything. If you are buying the cheapest china radio yes its not great but you can get really good waterproof DMR shit for a good deal and they are very good radios. Wasting money is not a flex
Alright, because the radio discussion ran to the taco bell shitter and missed the toilet, this is a threadly reminder that Botach has cheap cop surp shields!>Level III Protech 1936P for $400 plus like $70 shippinghttps://surplus.botach.com/protech-1936p-level-iii-police-shield-nato-tactical-ballistic-riot-shield-with-viewport-police-trade/Hide your wife and kids behind it in convoluted home defense scenarios, or DIY a trolley for it and stage it in your bedroom like a mall ninja showing girls his 60" Odachi.
>>65428904>>65428910>I do actually agree it's a problemWe all have 3 choices, be PART of the problem, BE the problem or be part of the solution. I was going to post my sweet 55% off snowshoes yesterday, but... not armored snowshoes. TSLs, even better than MSRs, excepting they don't provide for tail attachments. I got a med and lg for big and tall, winter pack weight and sexual dymorphism reasons. But yeah, /out/.
>>65429063This reminds me of that guy I knew on the High Road who spent ten thousand dollars on four kitted out JPCs for himself and his three sons, with Hesco 4800s and 4101LV sides, and then gave his daughter in college a single IIIA+ RMA plate for her backpack.>you are my least favorite child, here's an RMA.>Wasting money is not a flexThe real flex is getting great deals on tbe cheap. For example, my Protech 2230s for $300 or that lucky son of a bitch who got a pair for $200.
>>65429078>excepting they don't provide for tail attachments.plate philosopher, stop buying snowshoes for your fursuit man.That pic goes hard though.
>>65429073Y'all need to understand that the just as good crowd removes any joy from discussing quality gear
>>65429059This is the basis of psychosis. I am sympathetic and very supportive.
>>65429089Yes, I shoot .22Man 'um.
>>65429108>that the just as good crowd removes any joy from discussing quality gearAlright, please explain how paying $5,000 for a new 1936P is better than $500 for a used one.Or $660 for a Highcum Striker vs $75 for a copsurp BA3A and $40 for new pads because a cop gooned on the old ones.
>>65429119>>65429124plate philosopher, brother of sms schizo
>>65429078anything is better than the plate OCD, chinkshit, and poorfag cope. MSR's are good, but for most of us the specifics of snowshoes don't matter.
>>65429085>>you are my least favorite child, here's an RMAThis really hits home because I watched 'Flowers in the Attic' (Hallmark version) last night and am left wondering about the incest in that famfam.>RMA > powdered dognuts
>>65429128case in point
>>65429143I'm waiting cuh
>>65429142The three sons are clearly the alabama power tops and the daughter is an easily penetrated service bottom.
>>65429150how difficult is it to understand that when someone doesn't want to talk about what you want to talk about, and has explicitly asked you not to, it becomes very tiresome when all you do is keep talking about what you want to talk about, especially when you demand all kinds of proof, sources and other shit, while we just didn't even want to talk about it at all in the first place.Just learn to shut up once in a while, please. I beg you.It's also very indicative of chud basement dweller tier emotional/social maturity btw.
>>65429167So your entire speel against people trying to save money (muh juzz as good crowd ruins discussion!) is to throw an ad hominem. Right back at ya, that's childish.>It's also very indicative of chud basement dweller tier emotional/social maturity btw.I was gonna shill you a projector from Botach Surplus but you clearly already have one in 4k.There is nothing wrong with dudes discussing deals. If it's overly armor focused, talk about other shit. I do not know why you need permission to do that.>Just learn to shut up once in a while, please. I beg youBegging on an anonymous internet forum... good lord man.
I need to trim down a lot of the nylon I’ve collected throughout the years. Was fun to collect but I’ve got way too many redundant plate carriers and chest rigs. Gotta figure out what I want to keep and what is getting released into the wild.
>>65429198This should be fun. What's your inventory list?I have a similar issue but with pouches. I have so many pouches in boxes...
>>65429152>easily penetrated service bottomHot.
>>65429198>nylon I’ve collected throughout the years.Do you know what you got? The ACU GWOT is "collectable" now.
>>65429214>I have so many pouches in boxesYou need a pouch for your pouches. I use the USMC sustainment pouches FOR POUCHES.
>>65429224Fuck man I got two of those as dumps for turkshit shotgun mags! I then replaced them with Idogear tall GP sundries!
>>65429214As far as plate carriers, I’ve got the LV119 overt and covert, Crye CPC, Paraclete HPC, FCPC v5, a custom Velsys BALCS carrier, JPC 2.0, 6094 slick, and a custom DTS LV119-ish pc that my buddy sewed up (pic related)Maybe a few more I’m forgetting, but thats off the top of my head. Chest rigs/LBE is kinda the same story, broad spread of stuff. And yeah, too many pouches to think about. I’ve got probably going on 20 of those 27 gal totes full of various gear and equipment.
>>65429307I'd keep the custom LV119, covert LV119, BALCS, and JPC. Build around a light-medium-heavy selection with the BALCS carrier as your contingency heavy carrier. Throw delts and abdominal on that if you haven't already.Then like two chest rigs so you have light setups and maybe a loaner.
>>65429339The custom PC is staying but those others are all going.
>>65429360Fair enough, I'd keep a few as loaners but you da boss.
bro gonna open an ebay store
>>65429215vanilla mfer
>>65430060KISS
>>65419856I just bought this Arcteryx hoody at a yard sale for $2. Is this some 1337 gucci operator shit?
>>65430150It is if you are. Otherwise it's just a pennies on the doll hair dealio!
>>65429307Do that mary kondo shit. Go through the whole pile, pick them up, turn them over; and if you feel nothing at all then sell. You know better than I do what you're actually likely to use, so separate that shit and for everything else it comes down to emotional attachment; whether it sparks joy or not.
If I finance a pair of icw rf3 plates from gilliam, what will happen if I miss a payment?
>>65430322You'll ruin your credit, and only brown people have bad credit.
>>65428591>Nigga fell for the bantz and couldn't handle itGenuine faggotry
>>65430322>>65430328Baddies.
>>65430337Cuh couldn't handle the chinamaxx style
>>65419859fuckers have no pants probably so they can shit in full kit. In future war we must embrace the dookie butter dingleberry meta. Enemy drones will trace our dingleberries and our cocoa pebbles on the battered fields of war.We will hide like mice our droppings will fill the holes. We will harden them in fire and use them as shotgun pellets to shoot them down.
>>65430490Hey man. Grow up.
>>65430495In future war age of soldier be low he be ready at age 15 as dingleberry pellet reloader cooker. cook the pellets and reload like lyman's book.You say groe up, I see future. I see you fukkers waxing poetry about plates and armor but i say offense is better than the defense.
Is the tactical man's video format VHS, Betamax, or Laserdisc?
>>65430564A 4 TB external hard drive filled with anime, porn and random pdfs.
>>65430575>pdfsYeah ok buddy this ain't 12chan
>>65428963Anytone D878UV II plus goes for 200Couldn't find any listings for the HD2, BUT THE HD1 is 100.
>>65430613>100Damn man you can buy six for the price of a single Hytera, but you can BEAT people with the Hytera like a baton.
Decades from now, will there be a /gq/?
>>65420369this is super cool
Is there, or will there ever be, a good source to acquire pen flares, pop flares, or what have you? Signaling is an underrated, essential piece of kit but it's staggering how hard it can be to find military flares. Even parachute flares you'd see for boating can be a pain to find and aren't the cheapest to order online, either
>>65430654I don't think this site will be around in a few decades
>>65428328>Seems like the rage for the EFJ Johnson and XTS2500XTS5000s are still around working just fine and the new hotness is the APX series>What's the latest meta nowadays? Hytera but it's mostly shilling and that DMR is on-the-fly usable with ATAK but P25 is equally capable with little effort from my surface level reading. Hytera is cheap and very high quality but they're also Chinese. Personally, while I own a Hyeta base station to tinker with, I'd prefer to continue using my XTS5000 and push for my friends to acquire them (or EFJ 5100s or XTS2500s) or get some more to pass around
>>65430654I'm hoping everyone will be dead by then. Or at least me.
>>65430720aliexpress not an option?>>65430748>>65430844Frankly I don't see the internet surviving into the 2030s in its current form. A "chan" will have to be an old school BBS ran on independent infrastructure.
>>65430873Too many brown people on here now.
>>65430873>aliexpress not an option?I find it very hard to imagine I'd be able to get pyrotechnic equipment from aliexpress through customs
>>65430365Bought a set of faux AXL cbunds for half the price of real ones from that cootac affiliate link A2 posted (you're welcome for the chinkbux nigger), I bow before the Gear Mandate of HeavenThis is now /cmg/ (chinkmaxxing general)
>>65428823I've got a rPi sitting around, probably gonna set it up as a MANET host and get a node like a Heltec to experiment with. Unfortunately I don't have anyone to sperg our with about this and use it with so it might be just me for a while. Also been working on getting my HAM license so I can build a manpack. What radio units would you recommend for a manpack? I've looked at a few over the years, but lack of P25 kinda turns me off.
>>65431097>>65431097>>65431097New thread
>>65423219>I like how Gilliam went from being a meme to being this general's house brand for armor.still a meme, autists have trouble seeing the difference between me and realityit's like the retards that bought Mosins at $400+ because they were memed into thinking they were actually good guns
