Why couldn't they compete with American authors?
>>24955320>At least with Americans that‘s a figurative expression.Pfft XD
>>24955170>we're #1 at american footballshameful
Same reason modern day Muttoidistan can't produce anything of artistic merit. Deconstructivism and leftism does not lene itself to creating anything beautiful.
>>24955130Suppression of the arts. Commie retards telling you different at the same people who haven't figure out "banned books" is a marketing gimmick.
>>24956319calm down chud
"Chanukah" editionPrevious: >>24940898/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQRESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvCPlease limit excerpts to one post.Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.(And maybe double-space your WIPs to allow edits if you want 'em.)Simple guides on writing:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24955998You're not supposed to take inspiration from what you read. You're only allowed to take inspiration from your interesting and adventurous real life.
>>24956082I have the same problem of overcomplicating my plots and making it more convoluted than it needs to be. In these cases, the author's voice leaks clearly through, and this is how you get overly preachy moralistic filth that seems more concerned on lecturing and nagging.It helps to reframe the act of writing by aiming for a mild form of ego-death. It's not you that writes the story. The story writes itself through you.
Is this too preachy?
I love excerpts, but I would never read one.
>>24956147a lot of scattered cliches, its impossible to tell what youre trying to say. i like parts of the last paragraph because its more grounded, both in the world and in the single piece of dialogue.
Doubting Shakespeare's authorship is a very cheap way to, I guess, look intelligent. I wouldn't call it intelligence because my brain is far too advanced, I'm too smart, to doubt Shakespeare's authorship. I know you're sitting there going>Smart people know de Vere was using a pseudonym!No. I need a commoner, I need the son of a glovemaker, in my life to feel content. I need him to be writing greatest literature without a fucking education, having illiterate parents, and small Latin and less Greek. I can't just sit there,>Oh, and Francis Bacon left a hidden cipher!:/It's for people with slow brains.
>>24955228>1 manYes and he's name is Francis Bacon.
>trust the expertsnope. all (((history))) is fake and gaywhoever shakespeare was, he certainly wasnt shakespeare
>>24955253Stratfordian skepticism is an elite cope to pretend that they didn‘t get wiped at their own game. The institutions have incidentally become right on this point in the past half century because the lack of evidence for any goofy conspiracy is so overwhelming that they would obliterate all credibility to keep it up.
>>24955228>the eggheads can analyze language using ever more sophisticated tools to tell these things. It’s also how we know Shakespeare was penned by 1 man with the exception of a couple of collabs.have we really gotten smarter in that regard , can I really trust you in that regard.
>>24954662Nice fanfic, fag.
whats your imagination like when you read a book? how do you visualize the characters and enviroment?i was recently looking at some illustrations and i realised i see things in a more cartoony way than other people like a chaaracter who is an old man who used to be a soldier was wearing a hat to me because soldier = hat even if he wasnt wearing the rest of the uniform because he is no longer a soldier even tho realistically there is no reason for the hat eitheror this young woman who was aworkaholic and very strict to me she had her hait tied so hard you could notice with just a look and also a large nose to give the idea that every muscle on her face was tensei kind of feel like a middleschool child now
>>24955409I just pay attention to action scenes, and skip anything that is descriptive, couldn't care less about details or anything that doesn't advance the plott.aphantasia chad
Photorealistic but chaotic abstract at the same time. It's not like I focus on it much it just kinda happens. It really depends on how good the author is as well. For instance Tolstoy is always very clear and sharp while with Dostoyevsky it's more abstract. Also if a character shares a distinct name with a character from a visual medium my brain inserts the former come hell or high water. Most recently I had this problem when I was reading Red Rising and was short circuiting everytime Holliday was being described as a tall muscular cyborg lady with a Mohawk while I was imagining her as Holliday from deadlock. Kinda annoying.
>>24955442>ouldn't care less about details or anything that doesn't advance the plotAgreed. I think many writers fail to understand that setting should develop the plot. They just put it in for the sake of establishing an environment requirement. But I do however find descriptive writing important if it develops plot. I have made discoveries of people around me from the smallest details in their behaviour or possessions.
Depends. Some books conjure vivid scenes in my mind, others nothing at all. In any case it's orthogonal to the quality of the book.>>24955442I skip fighting scenes when I know who's gonna win and I drop the book when the main character loses.
What does /lit/ think of Hawthorne? Most Americans have either never heard of him or hate him because they were assigned 'The Scarlet Letter' in high school and Amerikkka is an insane asylum, and its public schools are like a suicide ward. But Poe said that "we look upon [Hawthorne] as one of the few men of indisputable genius to whom our country has as yet given birth." And America's second greatest writer, Melville, was deeply respectful of Hawthorne. What does /lit/ say? Is he a great writer, or just great for an American?
he's a heck of a lot better than poe that's for sure
Here, everybody read this, if you haven't already:https://americanliterature.com/author/nathaniel-hawthorne/short-story/my-kinsman-major-molineux
Love Hawthorne, the great American Author. I recently finished his travel essays from when he worked at the liverpool consulate, they're very good, I think I prefer them to his novels. I'd also reccomend Henry James's biography of Hawthorne, it gives good insights into the mindsets of both authors.>>24954289Hawthorne is obviously condeming adulterty, if he wasn't there would be no dramatic interest. Your english teacher just got filtered.>>24954150Poe wrote an interesting review of Hwthorne where he criticizes his use of allegory and gives his criteria for proper use of allegory which is sort of interesting, He also directly compares him to Milton and talks about Paradise Lost, you should look it up.
>>24956115Borges wrote about Hawthorne, too. It's interesting that three other notable writers wrote about this one.
I find it funny that there's a recent edition of The Scarlet Letter that unintentionally looks exactly like the cover art of The Culture of Critique.
I'd like to learn about the beliefs and development of alchemy. I'm not sure where to start. Medieval alchemy? Eastern alchemy? The Islamic world? Earlier periods?Please note that I am looking for factual secondary sources and not incomprehensible esoteric autism.
Jung read swathes of primary alchemical works, so you don't have to.He concluded that alchemy is bullshit, except as a metaphor for psychological processes.
>>24955411Check out The Green Book, and, The White Book by Heliophilus. Very good modern writing on the subject.
>>24955429This
>>24955411>incomprehensible esoteric autism.You are never going to comprehend it, so don't waste your time.
>>24955411A good place to start would be Litwa's Hermetica I and II, alongside Fowden's Egyptian Hermes and Faivre's Eternal Hermes, alternately you could read Mead's Thrice-Greatest Hermes but take his takes with a grain of salt.That might be a bit too autistic tho. And less explicitely alchemical in focus. So maybe just try the Alchemy Reader. I think there's a lot of overlap iirc but this is more alchemical and historical.Or. Perhaps best would be Atwood's A Suggestive Inquiry Concerning the Hermetic Mysteries...>>24955429>>24955748Normgroids>>24955728Skitzoid>>24955774Yano what. I think Principe's alchemy book forget title might be real good if seeking to avoid all spirituality. As far as practical alchemy goes.
Is this book really as racist as people make it out to be?
>>24954363Yeah Injun Joe was also le nobel savage
>be me>first day working for Racism Inc.>CEO invites me to his office, gives me a quick rundown on the company>notice his bookshelf, Huck Finn has a prominent place>he sees me eyeballing the book and offers to lend it to me>I gratefully accept, as a book so infamously racist must be hard to come by>start reading that evening>it's okay, mostly just a kid's adventure story>like it says in the title I guess>kind of confused by how sympathetically Jim is portrayed>a few days later, finish the book, absolutely baffled>why would the CEO of racism keep a book with such a clearly anti-racist message?>give him the book back and ask him>he gives me a kind smile>"Anon, many people believe this book is racist because it has the word nigger on every other page."Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24954330It's "anti-racist", leftists just fart and shit and piss their pants because it says nigger.
>>24955880Well done
Damn, i loved the Great Illustrated Classics series when i was in elementary school. King Arthur was my favorite
Tips? I have a lot of shit I want to go through, and its material I am very interested in reading but I am such a readlet.
>>24956084>>24956109It's a good thing to take your sweet time reading. Think about every passage, question quotations, research statements, etc., or just enjoy the process of reading. All that matters is that you read it.
>>24955986KHV NEETs
>>24956140read what?
>>24956140I read well when its something I care to, but something about my approach slows me down much more than I should.
>>24956185Whatever you want.>>24956189If it really is a problem with method (like taking twenty seconds to parse this sentence) then it will go away on its own. As long as you get what you want from reading then there's no wrong method.
So they adapted a Pynchon novel for filmI've never read Pynchon before but like"One Battle After Another" - what the FUCK is this turbo jogger leftist power fanstasy bullshit?I always realized Hollywood is a bunch left-leaning cucks but holy fuck they outdid themselves with this one.The level of blatant propaganda is on par with fucking commie films of Stalin's era or something.This guy made "There will be blood" and now this what the fuck. This movie doesn't even feel real, it's a caricature of a movie.Tell me bros is Pynchon cringe plebbitor shit like that and not based? Le speaking truth to power
>>24946622>>24952142>>24954359They have to keep the charade up to pretend they're real revolutionaries and weren't just always that pawn of (((the rich))). First anon I'm quoting is too historically uninformed to know that Weatherman Underground and all those black radical groups were funded by rich "marxists" just like today's "radicals." There is literally no difference in the control and funding structure
>>24954048Watch these instead: There Will Be Blood, The Master, Phantom Thread, Boogie Nights, Magnolia.
>>24948662Well said
>>24946335ball knowledge
>>24946260I likely don't agree with your political opinions, but this is a good and nuanced take.
New meme book is here
>>24955899Christianity is just Platonism with a Jewish middle man.
>>24956033They all fail to recognise and appreciate the omnipresent sense of "is"
Lot of faggots in this thread, there is.
Did we need a new edition? What's changed? I still have a Bollingen Plato. Fuck Hackett. Honestly, Thomas Taylor collection would be best if it weren't expensive as hell.>>24955899I'm Catholic and this post is embarassing.>>24955934Lol. Lmao even. So (post)modernity and nihilism are a lot better, right???>>24956062You say that negatively. But the meeting of Athens / Rome and Jerusalem vis a vis the Christian religion is a singular and unique and perhaps the ultimate philosophical moment in history...
>>24956287I have the Bollingen Plato too, but was somewhat annoyed realizing that the disputed Platonic works were excluded (even though there is now questioning the other way, about whether several of them like Alcibiades are genuine after all). Hackett at the very least has every work classically credited to Plato, which is important as they were only disputed relatively recently, and most commentators of Plato’s works were reading those disputed works closely too
Asimov—Best Science Clarke—Best Science FictionHeinlein—Best Fiction
>>249551852001 and Childhood's End are Top 5 sci-fi books in my opinion.>>24955856Saar
>>24955863Torie scumbag.Snaggletoothed gitCloseted poofter!
>>24955192Marriageable age, Bob. Marriageable age.
>>24955185>Heinlein—Best FictionBradbury mogs him and all the rest of the old-school sci-fi writers.
>>24955842Don't snub the Bob
Mention here literature according to /lit/ suitable to matriculate as a real /x/-ian. Or if /x/ was /lit/ cohorts first.
>>24954463Didn't know about this guy, seems related to the traditionalists too? Good rec anon. Thanks.
>>24954283what's wrong with the occult when even raw did some rituals
>>24954283Charles Fort is so fucking good man, it is frustrating how much his work has been bastardized by quacks and New Agers. His humor and his satirical edge are so cutting even today, I don't understand why he isn't more discussed.Fort's fundamental arguments were way ahead of their time in terms of sophistication, to use cosmological arguments and a sort of non-theological monism to argue against the presuppositions of the scientific method in its ability to isolate variables and identify pertinent and impertinent data is something that really didn't have a place within academia until the late-Wittgensteinians, and the sociological schools which descended from that tradition.
>>24946516Not good, but fun
>>24954283>all occultists are fourchin cultus sabbati wankersStrange claim. But yes. The occult is a larp. Or a psychotic version of the mystical quest. But the mystical quest itself is real and not larp. And there is some ocassional wisdom in the gutters. But better off w more conventional stuff. Prior to modern occult, such stuff was more like a sort of proto new age neoplatonic hermetic christianity brew of the proverbial esoteric which also has some wisdom despite a lot of garbage too altho less than moderns. Anyway. Ime the average witch girl cares more about planets than cumjars. But ymmv
Is it worth it? I've never read crime fiction before.
>>24956162>victorian clothing makes them look old to anybody not alive during the Victorian era>the Norwood reaper is creeping up on Sherlock>watson has an old man moustache
>>24956157>The author presents you with all the evidenceNo they don't, at least not for what I have read from Doyle or Christie. The solutions to the mysteries are as ass-pullery as it gets
>>24955839His brother mogs him tho
>>24956157>The author presents you with all the evidenceNot really. You are not meant to be able to solve these. Only Holmes does otherwise the whole point of him being a super autist cocaine detective would be lost. Looking at the story afterwards and going “oh yeah that fits” isn’t the same.
i read them all back in the day in a two volume edition with annotations. the long ones are kind of rough but i remember liking the short ones
Elements of Rhetoricby Richard Whatelyhttps://archive.org/details/elementsofrheto00whatPrinciples of general grammar. Comp. and arranged for the use of colleges and schools by Roemer, Jeanhttps://archive.org/details/principlesgener00roemgoogPrinciples of general grammar : adapted to the capacity of youth, and proper to serve as an introduction to the study of languages by Silvestre de Sacy, A. I. (Antoine Isaac)https://archive.org/details/principlesgener00sacygoog
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>>24954588Trivium is just a pseud LARP marketed to midwits too dumb to notice it's just boomer-tier Reading, wRiting, aRithmetic nonsense.
>>24956111>Renaissance is just a pseud LARP marketed to midwits too dumb to notice it's just scholastics-tier lectio, meditatio, quaestio nonsense.
>Trivium:Read aristotle most notably organon>Quadrivium:Read euclid elements, iamblichus theology of arithmetic, nicomachus manual of harmonic, ptolemy tetrabiblos
If only I knew back when this was published how right he was
>>24956224>can i get a brief summary on the book?Isn't that one of the major use cases of current artificial intelligence?
>>24956215>Currently, the right-wing and the technocratic elite have come to a conclusion that ethnic cleansing is the only way to salvage liberal societies. This is no longer just some fringe idea among twitter anons, it’s the explicit goal of people like Elon Musk and now American congressmen who have all but embraced the ideology of Anders Breivik.You are so blinded by redditism. The current technocratic elite is still multicultural and is still trying to push mass immigration from India. The only thing that changed is that they realized they were pulling so many migrants that it was destabilizing infrastructure to the point that short term profits were no longer outweighing the ultimate costs to the system.This is ironically liberalism in action, as it takes a slightly more rational and conservative approach to migration, undoing the harm of unlimited mass migration, while preserving the system that keeps wages stagnant and displaces anyone that still remembers how good things could have been with third worlders who are grateful for what it isn't yet.The right is fundamentally split between the ultimately liberal, globalist, and pragmatic tech-"right" and the "right right" as Musk calls it, "backwards," nationalistic, parochial and idealistic people that are genuinely skeptical of liberalism. The "tech right" is just one expression of the progressive neoliberal left that has taken an alternative approach to perserving the globalist project, and the "right right" are the remnants of truly populist forces that are ironically closer to leftist socialists than the tech right. But as an extremely dogmatic and wildly idealist person, you will collapse all nuance into a battle between your side (complicated and nuanced) and The Other (Literally Anders Breivik nazis!!) so any discussion about this is doomed to break down into pointless babbling.
>>24956235if i'm going to use AI for everything, then why would i use this site?
>>24956245Not sure what point you’re trying to make here. When it comes to the nitty gritty then yeah, Musk and co love immigrants like Indians, but let’s not act like these technocrats even have logical or consistent views. Elon Musk is the same person who weeps about the collapse of the West and humanity entering a dark age every day on Twitter, and then he claims that AI will actually fix everything and eliminate disease, war and poverty.The point is that when the elites start talking about “remigration” and “white genocide” then there is no coherent framework in which liberalism can operate. When congressmen are saying all members of a group of people must be deported, that’s that future of Western governance. The writing is on the wall. Preserving the international liberal project cannot be done using liberalism, and people like Karp, Thiel and increasingly Musk are perfectly willing to transgress it. You’re absurdly naive if you think these tech oligarchs, who are openly plotting to treat us all as insects, are seriously interested in being liberals anymore despite all their preaching about freedom. Drastic times will lead to drastic measures
>>24956273>The point is that when the elites start talking about “remigration” and “white genocide” then there is no coherent framework in which liberalism can operate.As opposed to indigenous genocide decolonialization? You are stuck in one set of moral idealism. Liberalism has never been without internal contradictions, and by and large the elite are not concerned with "white genocide." The closest anything came to it was a claim of it happening in South Africa. This "no coherent framework" is a product of your imagination.>Not sure what point you’re trying to make here. When it comes to the nitty gritty then yeah, Musk and co love immigrants like Indians, but let’s not act like these technocrats even have logical or consistent views.This is the crux of how pointless your retort is, when it's just "aww hell it's all random and contradictory and yeah I guess they want millions of brown people lol but, I guess like... umm... like they talk about stuff that makes me feel weird and my tummy starts buzzing and i start breathing fast and it just... the west has fallen."Ok?You are writing endless unsubstantiated conjecture. Most of it is no better than what you'd call /pol/ antisemitic conspiracy brain rot. I am telling you actual substantiated facts: The "big tech elites" still support immigration, still want brown people in employment, and are still fundamentally liberal. This is what I mean by pointless babbling; I tell you the facts, you write some conspiracy and rationalization for why the facts don't align with your unsubstantiated political juvenilia.
