An informative pic for /lit/Plato advocated for more centralized system and unitary ideals; Aristotle advocated for political pluralism and a partnership of clans (which is the basis for a partnership of states in decentralized models).
Consider, for instance:Karl Popper's Open SocietyHe says that Plato helped inspire many totalitarian regimes of the modern day.
>>24784651>>24784654Again, you're rushing past what's more essential. Re-read the anon at >>24784288:>When Aristotle celebrates the "commonwealth" he is celebrating the self-determining, self-governing coalescence of the citizenry around a common good, not a pluralism where individuals chase their own privatized conception of the good in such a way as to support each other's individual pursuits (or at least avoid conflict). Recall that for Aristotle democracy is the most degenerate form of government, rule by the many for the good of the many. The modern ideal, even Fukuyama's moderated version, is still his degenerate "rule of many for the selfish pursuits of each," as opposed to the ideal "rule of the many for the good of the one (the polis itself)."And there's absolutely teleology running all through Plato, especially in the Republic.
>>24784678I think the Catholic Church vs Orthodox Church in terms of hierarchy is a good example of this difference in centralization vs decentralization in terms of Plato and Aristotle.The Catholic Church is a more corporatist hierarchy with the Pope's jurisdiction on the top. It is more unitary like Plato advocates.But the Orthodox Church hierarchy is between bishops with no higher authority among the bishops. It is an autocephalous church.Let's go back to what you're referencing: >he is celebrating the self-determining, self-governing coalescence of the citizenry around a common good, not a pluralism where individualsOk, self-governing -- that is exactly like the Orthodox Church's hierarchy, it is pluralistic among the bishops, but it is not individualism, but a partnership of clans -- I don't mean individualism, but multi-party systems vs one-party systems.The Catholic Church is like a one-party system: it isn't a multi-party system where partnerships converge, but rather descends from the unity of the Pope.Catholic Church is more centralized as opposed to the Orthodox Church. It is also more unitary. Whereas the Orthodox Church seems to built on Aristotle's political ideals for its hierarchy.
Orthodoxy is a good illustration of how Aristotle advocates a partnership of clans (political pluralism / multi-parties) united around a common good -- not as a unitary body -- but as a concordant kind of body.
I think this example of Orthodoxy shows exactly as Hobbes says, for instance, with regard to Aristotle:>The error concerning mixed government has proceeded from want of understanding of what is meant by this word body politic, and how it signifies not the concord, but the union of many men.So this hierarchy is a concord among the Orthodox Churches like a partnership of clans -- its structure is more concordant than unitary, the only unifying element is the virtue that unites them, and that virtue is their friendship.But when you look at modern politics... and the idea of sovereignty... it is moreso the idea that unity comes first, and this unity is from the sovereignty, as Plato puts it, like the unity of the soul moves the body.>No otherwise than Theseus his ship, which although it were an hundred times changed by putting in of new planks, yet still retained the old name. But as a ship, if the keel (which strongly bears up the prow, the poup, the ribs, and tacklings) be taken away, is no longer a ship, but an ill favoured houp of wood; even so a Commonwealth, without a sovereignty of power, which unites in one body all members and families of the same is no more a Commonwealth, neither can by and means long endure. And not to depart from our similitude; as a ship may be quite broken up, or altogether consumed with fire; so may also the people into diverse places dispersed, or be utterly destroyed, the City or state yet standing whole; for it is neither the walls, neither the persons, that makes the city, but the union of the people under the same sovereignty of government.>For that as of unity depends the union of all numbers, which have no power but from it: so also is one sovereign prince in every Commonweale necessary, from the power of whom all others orderly dependAs Hobbes says here:>The other error in this his first argument is that he says the members of every Commonwealth, as of a natural body, depend one of another. It is true they cohere together, but they depend only on the sovereign, which is the soul of the CommonwealthWhich is a re-assertion also of what Plato would say, that the body doesn't necessarily depend upon the concord of the parts, but the soul to move the body.
Is it true that french is a much more sophisticated and elegant language than English?
>>24781570>Americans>another group of EnglishmenThe majority of Americans are literally non-white lmao
>>24782308>Doesn't English have like the most actual words?That's Greek
>>24782359Again, still a lot of wiggle room for different criteria and definitions.>>24783079If you define "Greek" as including every work from Homer on down even if it's completely incomprehensible to a modern speaker without prior study, maybe. But that's like including everything from the Roman Kingdom on down as Italian.
>>24783934you’d need huge differences in criteria to turn 120,000 into 600,000.
>>24781306>Is it true that french is a much more sophisticated and elegant language than English?God no. Have you ever heard French spoken in person? It sounds like they're trying to speak English with a dick in their mouth.
>starts describing how succulent Dolores is or something like thatDropped. I'm too normal for this book.
>>24780906I uncontrolled masturbated in the university library to the first couple chapters way too many times.
>>24780906faggot>>24781232based
>>24781185I want books like this one but with the opposite viewpoint
>>24781195I'd say you're not enough of a child lover if that was your reaction
>>24781172Why? I've read the first 2 chapters and I don't get why you told me to read it yet.
Where do I start with this nigga?
In page 1.
Shelley wrote Frankenstein when she was 18 years old, it’s over /lit/.
>>24784664i read frankenstein when i was 18 years old
Her 25 yr old boyfriend turned her slop into an actual readable novel
Next week, the Nobel Academy will bestow this year's prize in Literature. Who do you think will win?
>>24780272Ishiguo wasn't even listed as having odds when he won it (was literally getting a haircut when they announced it kek). The Swedes will do what they like.
>>24771780>Paul SimonThe guy from Simon and Garfunkel?
>>24784216Yep
Apparently Murnane has never left Australia and refuses to fly so that would be a funny win
TOMORROW WE FIND OUT WHO WINS
how do you respond without sounding mad ?? OR are you not mad at all ??
>>24782357Why would a YA author bother me? Am I supposed to be mad about children's books being too simple next? She is literally doing her genre as it is supposed to he done.
>>24782357i pirate all my books so all the authors i like stay poor and be fueled by their poverty into writinng better ones thinking those will sell (they won't, i'm just gonna pirate those too)only retards don't pirate so only books aimed at those retards sell, sad but true
For me, it's Sarah J Maas.
>>24784605SEXO!!
>>24782357These are all smut, yeah?--Her and adjacent authors. Can I get a confirmation on that? That would inform me of the mental state of somebody I know. . . who has a library worth of this stuff. Thankss.
who is the audience for this crap
>I'm going to get unreasonably mad at this random youtuber because he doesn't share my political views Chuds are such pissbabies
Me
>>24784572Critical drinker is cringe personified. A middle aged man who rants about women in Marvel movies is absolutely pathetic.
>>24784213Male quirk chunguses
>>24784479>entirely wrong account, stated with full confidence
Yeah I think it’s over. Not just literature but art in general. Just being realistic here, I don’t see how it survives this century with the forces of technology and the sloppification of culture
>>24784427>Post-mass-literacy society will resemble pre-mass-literacy society: autistic monks will keep literature alive for its own sake, not for market demand.Hopefully that means someone will want my books when I die. Not that I have anything of particular value but it would be nice if one or two can find a home and they all don't get pulped.
>>24784475Bro they're gonna get thrown in the dump faster than your auntie's Beanie Babies. Your Sudanese caretakers in 2080 are gonna have zero fucking clue what books are.
>>24774439*lights cigarette*digital has been the death of art*coughs*
>>24783788>>24783738i thought it was just me that stopped watching
Reading is for homos
Who is the current protagonist?
>>24781338>too much groveling before the USdo you have any examples?
>>24784428xi is uncle iroh lol.I'm remembering that one anon. thx
>>24779937You cannot name anyone else whom the entire world's attention has revolved around for the last 10 years. Whether you like him or not is beside the point. Cope harder.
>>24784428It must be surreal to be Xi Jinping. Imagine having absolute control over 1 billion people.
>>24784649no one can have absolute control over any more than a dozen or so (at the highest) people, youre forgetting that xi is just as mortal as his population
>used to play a lot of video games>got bored and stopped>used to watch a lot of movies>got bored and stopped>used to listen to a lot of music>got bored and stopped>used to read a lot of booms>got bored and stoppedWhat now?
>>24784293>Already get plentyhow? you don't go outside.
>>24784354I already said I do everyday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gT68xeDMM
>>24783745what the fuck is TL for us idiots?
>>24784357you never said that
>the picture of dorian grey>it’s a novel
>Faust>no one gets punched
>Poetics>it's about theatre
>The Trial>he does not try at all
>todos los cuentos>I can in fact think of cuentos not included
>>24778030>Donkey Otie>donkey's name is Pancho or something
What spawns your desire to read? Also, where do you read? Do you have a comfy spot at home? Do you read in your bed?
>>24784609Yeah but you'll never be a writer if you don't read.
>>24782862I like to read about cool shit and expand my mind a little. Simple.
>>24784559it's not too late it's never too late
>>24784636If you're over 25 and have never written anything it's absolutely too late.
Seeming smart--and seeming smart in public. . .And uh, also I write in public. . . to seem smart.
>someone restores the /lit/ wiki after Fandom shut it down>site admins update the sticky with the new site>https://lit.trainroll.xyz>no account verification>no captcha>wiki spammed with bot pages>wiki admin deletes>bot spam returns>repeat x100>pajeet porno links on main page>(Deletion log) [Anonymous Admin (807×)]>wiki admin completely locks the wiki down>whole thing is now read-onlyPage creation, file upload, and even login are all disabled. Before the whole thing got locked down you could create pages and accounts with zero verification or captchas, even though Media Wiki supports both of these:https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserVerificationComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24781845I'm not saying give up hope, just that you've got to be realistic about these things. Finish it up in a Google doc or similar that has open access for others to edit or add to and then hope one day the problem resolves and it can be copied there. Otherwise, the only options are a mirror and trying to get it replaced in the sticky. I don't know how many even go to the wiki from the sticky. What surprised me was that my mega is linked from another site that has a lot of resources and they have a view count for it, which shows that my mega has been viewed 10k times from there. That's absurd really if it's accurate. I agree that the mega isn't suitable for a lot of stuff.
Waiting For Godot: The Thread
The wiki's vigil continues
>>24772775Didn't know there was a wiki
Can you recommend books (or other media, but pref books) with a character who reads a lot? In a bit of a slump right now and need to get fired up about reading again. Usually encountering a reading role model works for me, bonus if it mentions real life books I will get excited to read.
Stoner
>>24783932>reading role model
>>24784438:-(I didn't know how else to put it. I just generally get motivated reading, playing, or watching media about people doing things i need to be better at.
>>24783932Drusas Achamian from The Prince of Nothing series by R Scott Bakker.
