I've never personally found any argument against suicide that really convinces me. The more philosophy I read, the more many common objections seem based on instinct or emotion rather than careful reasoning. When people call suicide "murder" or "unnatural" they often ignore that a right to life should also include the right to give it up, and that nature itself isn't a moral authority. If it were, we wouldn't use medicine to prevent or delay natural deaths. The claim that suicide is selfish also feels very one-sided. It can just as easily be seen as selfish to expect someone to keep living with unbearable mental or physical suffering simply so others don't have to feel grief. None of us chose to be born, and being stuck in a life that has become intolerable is a tragedy, not a moral failure. I think society has a strong optimism bias that makes people assume life is better than it really is for everyone. When someone experiences life mainly as a heavy burden, ending their life can be a rational way to take back control over something they never chose.
>>24976419How many times must I explain thisDon't commit suicide, go out in a kamikaze strike against politicians, CEOs, critics, insurance bankers, corporate lawyers, lobbyists etcThe argument against suicide is that by only killing yourself then you're wasting a life that could be used to kill actual parasites instead
>>24976672Idk man, seems evil to send people with mental illness or chronic pain to hell for killing themselves after you engineered their existence
>>24976771>bringing new lifeIt's just recycling
>>24976441>>24976529Totally absurd. The Father killed countless times, even, and especially, when banishing Adam and Eve. The Son killed the fig tree, and possibly some demons. The Spirit killed Judas. Angels killed Sodomites. Your salvation is contingent on yourself being, at least partially, killed.
>>24976419About 2 years ago, I was skiing in France and having a blast. Saw a guy zip right past me, turn to me in an effortless 360 spin-move while simultaneously taking a draw from his cigarette. Coolest shit I've ever seen in my life. Is there a convincing argument against suicide? Yeah, right there. Life is awesome.
Privacy by Danielle Chelosky (new story!)>A folder on her laptop held the stories she was not allowed to publish. One boy forbade her because there was an entire paragraph about his dick size (it was complimentary, she didn’t understand the problem). Another was worried his girlfriend would end up finding it. Another said he would cancel her for invasion of privacy. >These were rare instances. Mostly boys were flattered, considered it an ego boost, no matter how they were portrayed. People in general liked to be immortalized. In a way, she resented their narcissism, like they couldn’t appreciate what she’d written because they were just staring at themselves.>The truth was whatever reaction the boys offered was not what she wanted, even if they lavished her with praise, called her a genius, it was never enough. She thought of writing as not just a plea to be seen but a plea to be loved. It never seemed to have the effect that she yearned for, probably because it was impossible. Maybe, she thought, if she killed herself then her words would take on a new, heavier meaning.>She used to think that a boy being mad about a story she’d written about him meant the writing had done its job. It touched a nerve; it was controversial and had a direct impact on real life. Then she decided that mindset was banal, stupid. She thought her writing was at its weakest when it was a weapon.>On the internet she stalked a writer she had once done a literary reading with. During the reading he had spoken candidly about his sex addiction, and his girlfriend at the time stomped off. Now he was dating a different writer and they were constantly writing about their relationship, hosting readings where they read about each other with each other, publishing the history of their love in glossy magazines that paid by the word. She felt put off by this masturbatory spectacle. Like she couldn’t imagine anyone caring about it or finding it as anything other than insufferable. She wondered how one could make interesting art if they viewed their life as a project—then isn’t the project about the project, not about life?
what, you don't like autofiction?
>>24962028Why would releasing a log of her sex life be 'committing herself to art'? Who would read that...Who the hell cares. Women should write about something other than sex, jesus fucking christ.Such narcissism.
>>24975472Sorry chud, but women have been forced into silence by the patriarchy for too long. Shut up and listen. A women is speaking. What she is saying is unfathomably wise, wiser than any man's prattlings.
>shaved pitsWaste of a thread
DANIELLE'S TWITTER GOT DELETEDHOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO GET PICS OF DANIELLE NOW?
We will be reading picrel books, one a month, in the next year. Who's with me
>>24975023you have to supplement it with bom. but i am still preparing the epub.>>24974822i'll be ready in early jan
>>24975053cool cool, excited to read it anon
>>24973020Replace To The Lighthouse or The Waves with Three Lives and probably replace Tristam Shandy, I don't see many here getting through that in a month.
>>24976926i was tempted to replace a lot of the books but unfortunately if it comes to it I'll just never get around to reading some that, it's not like I don't want to read them, but i'd rather be reading something else? so the list is randomly picked, and then further random picks for ones that I've already read
>>24973020Would've participated in something like if the books were chosen by the community and there was no discord tied to it.
Whenever I read literature pre-1960s I kind of amused at how normalized it is for characters to seek out prostitutes. I was just reading lolita and Humbert has many moments with french streetwalkers in the beginning.It's almost like they were a normal facet of men's lives back before internet porn and feminism. It's almost like the concept of casual sex with a normal woman was unimaginable Were brothels really that common back then?
>>24974649He's right tho, catholic countries have historically been less sexually prudish. Protestants don't have the confession sacrament.
Yes, very common, consider how much more widespread poverty was, what was the path of least resistance for a starving woman who was also attractive? Consider also courtesansNowadays we are much less lustful too. Imagine in the past when men were not eating much processed slop, weren't pacified by the internet, and engaged in hard physical labour, their libidos would appear demonic to us, the men of past would make us look like sissy faggotsIn general, the underworld of the past was much more prevalent. Hell even in the last 50 years you can see how much the underworld has disappeared, what was once a place of freedom away from the constraints of "peaceful civilisationn"
>>24976938Not jerking off to porn and always having seed ready to sew because you only cum in pussy. Lots of rape.
>>24974349Zoomer retard
>>24974520one of the old professions, lol
Just finished this. Has anyone else here read it?Basically it was pretty good but it really felt unfocused and meandering often. Maybe this is a skill issue but I had a hard time tying everything that was presented into a cohesive picture.Especially when he moved to word-improvement from the personal focus the book started to feel way too ambitious. I'm really interested in hearing other anons here got from this book.Picrel isn't mine because I'm too lazy to take one
>>24974754>unfocused and meandering oftenthat's just every self-help book. they have to pad the content from a pamphlet to a 300 page book somehow.
>>24974754I've tried reading something by Sloterdijk once and the rambling and tangent-chasing was off the charts. Then I listened to a talk of his and it was even worse. He's like a proto-Peterson, and all the worse for his pretensions and academic acclaim as philosopher.
>>24974782it's not a self-help book dude it's a philosophy book about how humans always striving or some shit
How do i change my life, peter?
God I wish I was Icelandic.
>>24975849That's the holiday version of a more famous commercial; it was what this classic Simpsons gag parodied.
>>24972768only a very specific kind of American, namely a white or a med American from Maine or Alaska with a large detached house and a wealthy neighbourhood, no European wants to live in the 56% areas, the Bible Belt or the California-esque lib cities: homeless edition.The only qualities that America has which Europe doesn't have are the wealth, the detached houses, and a sense of optimism only to be found in the former areas.I like America and have many American friends, but America only looks good now because your president isn't shipping millions of migrants into Martha's Vinyard... YET
>>24971071nordics and germanics confuse naive ideas of social cohesion with a sense of moral intelligence.I have no idea what's going on with Belgium though, I think they're tired of pretending to be a country.
>>24970661And gay !
>>24976948>europe doesn't have wealth the cope is unreal
Just read it. It sucked. What am I missing?
>>24976584 is for >>24976536 subhuman, obviously.>>24976764Niggers and other faggots are the main audience of capeshit, animeshit and reality TV, especially the celeb one. Anyone who likes P&P is a philosophical nigger.
>>24976839How mentally ill do you have to be to write this in a thread about Jane Austen?
>>24972902>Too much flowery description that takes you out of the story.This is why I cant stand bongistani 'literature' despite knowing only english language in my entire life
>>24977001Bronte in Wuthering height only uses overly verbose language as a way of mocking on of the characters. The rest of the book is fairly matter of fact.
>>24977001>despite knowing only english language in my entire lifeYou're not fooling anyone.
Based Bakker Edition>Old:>>24968637>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
>>24975124Did he call it Earwa because it's shaped like an Ear?
>>24976895EarthEarwa
Going to read this Doctor Who novel. What am i in for? Is it good?
>>24976730Howling Dark through Disquiet Gods is an excellent run. Empire of Silence, in addition to being a debut novel, was butchered in editing to make it more like Name of the Wind since publishers are highly risk averse. Shadows Upon Time would be better if it weren't hamstrung by the unreliable narrator conceit. Hadrian's story is an epic, not a Wolfe-style puzzle box. Ruocchio should've realized this and not relegated all the satisfaction of the ending to headcanon. But the strength of the middle five at least elevates the series to "good" if not "great."
>>24976730>this normalfag trash is better than THAT normalfag trash!very high bar of quality.
if you don't own this in 2025, you don't love literature.
>>24976446I have a 10.7 inch screen, and it's basically the perfect size. What are you trying to do that you need 12+?
SERIOUS question. I'm looking for an ereader with the possibility of using an instant translation/dictionary stuff for reading in foreign languages, japanese included. Will a kindle be able to do this seamlessly without making me wanna kill myself?Plz respond
>>24966640kindle is owned by amazon, made in chinaworst of both worlds
>>24976825Yes, kindle has a built in dictionary. Vou just need to click on the word.
Rate my reading list /lit/
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>>24976184looks like a fag no cap
>>24971735>>24976046>>24976184Imagine the smell.
I would like to have sex with a beautiful trans girl
Crowley did 9/11, look it up.
This is better than War and Peace.The only issue I have with it was not making a small note at the end, one small paragraph even, that the veterans of the War went to Rio de Janeiro and created there the very first Favela
>>24970937>>24972536This board has turned into such a pit. Go read your comic books gay boy
>>24974516He was just a figure head. Vladimiro and the Navy ran everything behind the scenes.>>24974761I enjoyed his essays on the Amazon.
>>24968973I read his comedy book about the army paying prostitutes to have sex with soldiers to keep those soldiers from losing their shit. That was a fun book.
>>24968973I read In Praise of the Step Mother and enjoyed that. Where should I go next with Vargas Llosa?
>>24968973For me it's one of those books that's more enjoyable to think about afterward than to read in the moment. Not that it's badly written, but it's very bleak in tone. Thinking about how the events at Canudos screwed every faction (rebels died, Gall never got to Canudos, republic army humiliated even in victory, baron dispossessed, even Goncalves nearly gambled Bahian autonomy away through his rumor mongering) is more interesting than the book itself was for some passages. Still a very impressive work, good enough for me to consider reading more by Vargas Llosa.>>24970565The baron's reaction to the baroness's breakdown. And ant excuse to write about sex.
So Holden was a tard wrangler?
He raped his sister, Phoebe.
>>24976858Holden was raped by a duck named Phoebe
Why did the teacher touch his hair?
>Average book length in 2025: 340 pagesHow did you do?
>>24976086Cheating is not that hard in the modern office landscape. No one knows what you are spending your time on and you are trusted to spend your time where it is needed. You can just book a fake meeting and sit in a meeting room to read. It is more a matter of conscience. But if you want to cheat then it is probably easier to just go the "work at home" route and see what you can get away with.My experience is though that if you need to work anyway, then time will go quicker and be more fun if you take the work seriously. Obviously depends on what work you do. But perhaps that is just my protestant "arbecht macht frei" upbringing speaking.
>>24976142I find it completely fascinating that people exist who read books, but mostly stay away from novels. Its cool in a way, but just so different from how i read. I am trying to read some history books every now and then, but it is always novels that make up the majority of my reading. Is it the case that you don't enjoy reading fiction? Or is it that you just enjoy reading these other types of books more?
>>24968506>Avg length: 310 pagesI had a goal of 30 books which I assumed I would easily surpass by a large amount. I hit a depression half way through the year and didn't read for a great while and had a difficult time building up steam afterwards. I plan on taking reading more seriously this year and reading more "real" literature. Starting with the Illiad and the Odyssey, just picked up Peter Green's translations in a hardcover box set for a decent price. I also intend to finally dig into my big ass Landmark Herodotus book.
>>24976772Incoming:>Novels are for women
>>24968506More than I expected desu. Barely read anything the last few months.
English is such a shit language. For me the nail in the coffin for English was when I learned that the problem of ambiguity between argument and explanation, where all you have to disambiguate is context, which they talk about in logic books, is not something which is universal in logic, but rather is a problem of English. Other languages don't have this problem. English is a low IQ language. All it's good for is dumbing down the masses.
>>24966833No one needs to defend the English language because it can speak for itself.
>>24975910I take it from your dismissing the substance of what I said that you disagree with the idea. Nonetheless, the grammar point pertains to the argument insofar as the comment I'm replying to brought up the perceived complexity of German 'grammar rules' to suggest that it was more difficult than French on this basis. To elaborate on the vocabulary issue (because, apparently, you didn't quite grasp what I was driving at there, or why it's relevant), German-English word-overlap, as another anon suggested, is most prominent when it comes to the basic, more frequent terms. Thus, the 'headstart' that an English speaker may have with respect to German, I am surmising, will soon become irrelevant purely on the basis of the familiar words occurring so frequently that one would have become accustomed to them in French, German, or any language, long before gaining a reasonable level of proficiency. Where French-English overlap starts to shine is precisely at the level of frequency which makes coming across the words in context less likely. The slightly more technical, fancy, or latinate vocabulary in English (that one is less likely to hear a foreign language's equivalent of so frequently) being etymologically familiar in French could perhaps facilitate an English learner's acquisition of it. The bare bones Germanic words sharing a root, I posit, isn't practically valuable beyond a superficial glance. All of this aside, it's worth noting that I've listened to only a very small amount of German thus far, and that I can somewhat understand Spanish, so I can't be sure my assumption that French is simpler (I'll disregard, because I don't believe that it's fundamentally relevant, that I understand this to be the general consensus) is not merely a symptom of my knowing something of a Romance language all ready. Granted, when I think about it more carefully, it seems silly that I would be willing to dismiss someone's intuition that one or the other is more difficult for them, because I have to imagine that people have a better idea of their own limits than I do.
>>24976955Interesting, even if you were to put wikipedia articles into this website >>24975106 they will be upwards of 70% to 80% Germanic origin words, even the fancy words which you described are not used often and are pointless to include when you are considering languages on their fundamentals, because in our day to day speak we are not discussing scientific terms or academic studies. If you look at the picture you will see how French looks nothing alike the German or English, and how for an English speaker with zero knowledge of German or French, you will find it nigh impossible to gather intuitively what the Frenchie is saying, where as the German you will have a basic understanding of what is being said, regardless of your level of knowledge of the Germanic language, the guy who keeps dismissing cognates has little understanding of languages, we communicate based on the fundamentals and bare bones of a language, not the propped up academic speech.
>>2497697679% Germanic origin paragraph btw
The barely literate execration of the conquered foreigner. Ha ha.
Can I get a proper, legitimate, genuine rundown on post-modernism? I feel like I don't understand it at all because there's so much insanity, absurdism and vitriol around the concept
>>24976907Cervantes, Sterne, Joyce. However, over time their works have become respected, established items, even if most readers maintain a safe distance. Put simply, writing Ulysses now cannot mean the same thing as writing it a hundred years ago. It's old avant-garde. As always, new forms need to be found.
>>24976835Postmodern literature is the literature that was the final nail in the coffin of the single dominant school of criticism and theory. The books in your pic are not really postmodern, they are all from after the idea of the single dominant school was dead and writers were free write outside the bounds of what was prescribed by academia. While these books are often called postmodernist, calling them that reduces all literature from the postmodernist on to postmodernist and makes the term meaningless (which it kind of is).
In Gravity's Rainbow Slothrop literally disintegrates into nothing
>>24976909I always see screaming faces instead of shoes.
>>24976959It's even worse for me. I see basedjaks screaming
