I know this isn't /pol/, but as a board for people interested in literature, academics, and perhaps aspiring to join those fields themselves, this article was quite sobering. I don't know how someone could come away from reading this and not conclude something is deeply broken, and that young white men are actually responding rationally to discrimination.
>>24971487I believe in might makes right to put it simply. I believe that anyone who managed to successfully wrangle a nation or culture and summarily bleed it dry even in the short-term deserves to be the victor, and everyone else deserves to suffer because they were weak. This is how things exist in both the natural world and frankly it's how your white ancestors viewed everything. Oh you don't like that? Well I don't see you picking up guns and killing the chinks and jeets or kikes, or whoever, you'll just seethe impotently.
>>24971487You guys have to read BOM
>>24972282It's early yet. White folks always take a while to spin up to full speed.
OP here, there's a lot of debate over:1. The competence crisis or whether the solution 2. Whether buying in enough to challenge this shit is worth it, or if it's gone so far that there's no point. I think the most fundamental things I've gleaned from this conversation is that things were obviously bad enough for such a thing to even happen. You know, the environment in 2013 and 2012 was bad enough for YWM that something like sclerotizing their pathway to career was seen as a lucid possibility. But what changed? Obviously, in 2012, it wasn't like conservative YWM were on top of the world. A lot of slop on TV basically espoused the same values it would in 2018. Where did the political will to exclude them come from? What I think happened is essentially in 2012, the Obama Administration saw the data from the 2010 midterms, and the 2012 election against Romney, that white people, particularly YWM, despised the new Democratic Party. All sorts of Obama staffers basically write in retrospectives that the memos circulating around then emphasized that unmarried women and minorities, you know, LGBT people were the only hope of making up for the total flight of white voters from the party. Knowing this, I suspect that when this information started filtrating throughout donor circles and think-tanks, it became very obvious to everybody that essentially destroying the pathways for YWM to obtain professional success was crucial. Obama was in a position to basically say "look, I've tried everything, it's time to just cut these guys off," and that's exactly what he did. Even though most slop on the TV then was pretty much confirming the whole Obama thing, this still wasn't enough. They had to be punished and disempowered totally for their lack of loyalty. While much of this is pretty much intuitively felt by the MAGA base, I think it's important to have such a critical piece of data, and that a lot of conservative intellectual takes miss the deeper point here. This sort of racial revenge scheme is the kind of paranoiac shit that would've actually got you branded a white supremacist back in 2015, but the evidence is right there. You know, this isn't blue-hair femininist brainrot or overactive empathy, you know, the kind of shit conservatives console themselves with. Those people believe that because it allows their personal narrative to align with the larger flows of the world.Rather, it seems clear that at the top-levels, this was a clear-eyed attempt to disempower a rival through sociological castration. But the fact that the Obama Administration's response to the disgruntlement of YWM was a systematic revenge campaign cannot be overstated. This is not a particularly hard story to follow imo.
>>24972414And here we get the normie political spin to grift men into a paticular direction, and to get them onboard with a certain political platform.Obama isnt omnipotent and this stuff has continued through successive administrations as well as through all levels of private (not just public) sector.Dont let Jews like Savage tel you what to think. This happend, and the same people who caused it are now trying to weaponize your pain to push a new agenda.
why is there such an enormous library of literature in support of third worlders whose governments have betrayed them to westerners in exchange for money, but the library of literature is virtually nonexistent in support of westerners whose governments have betrayed them to third worlders in exchange for... something? why is there such a glaring difference in the quantity of literature for these two topics which are fundamentally the same, despite the lesser written topic actually being more important?
>>24972272>https://militarnyi.com/en/articles/u-s-army-report-how-china-fights-in-large-scale-combat-operations/>Through sophisticated AI-driven propaganda and targeted disinformation, China aims to manipulate military and civilian leaders’ perceptions through the cognitive domain to cause hesitation or paralysis in critical decision making processes. These operations are supported by China’s global intelligence apparatus that will collect on the intervening enemy’s military and civil activities to gain information and provide early warning. China’s expansive intelligence collection capabilities include satellites, high-altitude balloons, unmanned aircraft systems, human intelligence assets, and open-source intelligence operations.So Chinese are targeting boomer leaders with AI slop to confuse them? Makes a lot of sense desu, I wondered how these retards could be so completely out of touch. Doesn't make our situation any better though, just means we're facing a two front way.
>>24972285>just means we're facing a two front way.pretty much, though if there isn't sufficient force to break out both ways at once, a single direction must be chosen first to break out through and that direction has to be the weaker one of the two in order to be successful. the foreign nations are not the weaker of the two
>>24972132History is written by the victors.
>>24972272>read my libtard propaganda slopI don't think 'I will tranny.
>>24972384>military defense papers are libtard propaganda slopalright
>2026>I am forgotten
>>24971793>>24971813>>24971956I am staying out of the Michelle business but it is somewhat diverting to see the pseudo-religiosity and knee jerk appeals to the high priests as opposed to just posting the text itself and showing or at least explaining why it is good.That you all feel comfortable dismissing the backwoods retard in this way (when what is going on now is going on) is why i suspect his kind will eventually turn your kind into some variety of smoked meat or however they do it in kansas or southern Missouri or wherever he lives.As a perpetual fence sitter I remain now, as always, comfy.
>>24972256I wouldn't be too proud of being a coward if I were you, there's nothing particularly noble about it
>>24971745rupi kaur was always much much bigger.and genuine.kaur's stuff actually appeals to people.no matter what we think of it
>>24972256i'm not American so some of your local references there are lost on me, but are you saying you like the poetry of Amanda Gorman?do you think it is good poetry?if so, can you link us to some of your favourite Gorman poems, so we can try to see what you see?
>>24972295Where did i suggest i was proud? I am comfy. I am an outsider. I'm an island unto myself.Look fella, I went to the schools where they tried a lot of the things that /pol/ bitches about now out first. I learned pretty early on the as a straight white male, my voice isn't needed. It's other people's turn to talk now, and so on.Fine, fine, says I. I won't be bother. I'll just do my own thing.And that's what I'm doing. I'm sure that makes you unhappy to hear, because that sort vibe is what killed y'alls attempt last time in Russia. But, it is what it is. If you can do it without us, you can do it. If you can't, ya can't.But I do wish you good luck pardner. I won't stand in your way.
WHY IS EVERY FUCKING MODERN AUTHOR NOW A WOMAN? WHERE DID THE MEN GO?
>>24968349I post among you gentlemen. I am too lazy to write my novels so I just play them in my head over and over
>>24968349they literally don't publish you because you're a man. there's another post on this board right now about men basically getting fucked since 2014 by diversity shit.
>>24968492I feel like women making up most fiction writers makes sense desu. They're probably mostly publishing pulp romance slop and their fanfics with the character's names changed.
>>24968349we live in an era where men are the most boring, coddled, childish people on this planet and you wonder why women are more creative? you must not have been paying attention
>>249717222/10 bait. try again, faggot
What esoteric practices actually work once you've learned too much and destroyed your ability to take any one scripture or symbolic system on faith? I've tried fideism and it didn't work for me. I know too much about the historical contingency of various scriptures to believe in any one uncritically. I don't think I could get myself to believe that Muhammad was God's last prophet, that this or that guy is the true occultated mahdi, that Jesus was the literal son of God, that the Vedas were divinely inspired and simply apperceived by rishis, etc. I've also tried various esoteric systems. They all seem to resolve into two aspects to me: an effectively arbitrary, historically contingent aspect and a core doctrine aspect. The core doctrine appears to be negative theology and moksha or unio mystica of some variety, and the historically contingent components appear to have required sincere, naive belief in their divine inspiration or at least their "it actually works, trust me bro" efficacy to be useful as stabilizers for achieving moksha/unio mystica. The result is that all systems just seem to me like they're saying the same thing: "realize the truths of negative theology hard enough that you are motivated to still your thoughts; still your thoughts; then moksha/unio mystica happens." I get the first part, I have tried the second part, and the third part never arrives. I've talked to people who have done the second part way harder than I ever did, and they also said the third part never arrived. And those were the rare ones. Most practitioners seemed to be doing it either because they were actually fideists in disguise (and really believed Shiva or Jesus is a real guy who just wants them to do this stuff), or they were quietists in disguise and just liked that it made them more chill. I don't want to be chill. I want to escape. I am okay with escape taking multiple lifetimes, but I would like to have a form of practice that actually convinces me that I am experiencing something that isn't discursive cognition. So far I have tried various forms of mind-quieting meditation and achieved some interesting mastery over my own nervous system (as far as I can tell), but nothing truly noetic or gnostic. I have also tried contemplative exercises, but because most of these are anchored in some symbolic system that requires sincere naive belief (like mediating on the ninety-one hats of Hatmandu), nothing happens. Lately the most success I have had at achieving something approximating noesis is meditating on the Platonic solids. At least then my mind was doing something it doesn't normally do in ordinary cognition. (I had the best success with tetrahedrons.)Anyone else in my position? Or has anyone else been in my position and overcome it?
What's the lost books you'd most have liked to read? For me, it's >Hecataeus' Periodos ges, precursor to Herodotus>Alcmaeon of Croton's medical works>Pherecydes of Syros' Heptamychos
>>24971869>Epicurus' Concerning the Gods, On Music, On Nature
>>24971869The entirety of the Epic Cycle
Post interesting ways authors died. Jacques Futrelle died on the Titanic, for example.
From Wikipedia. "On December 7, 1996, Eugene Izzi was found hanged, his body dangling outside the 14th-story window of his writing office in downtown Chicago. When his body was discovered, Izzi was wearing a bulletproof vest. In his pockets, investigators found brass knuckles, a can of "disabling spray" (likely mace or pepper spray), and a computer disc containing an unfinished manuscript."He was the author of hard-boiled, noir thrillers, considered Andrew Vachss a blood brother.
>>24970495>his death in Paris the following yearHoly shit, how do you fuck up killing yourself that badly?
>>24971765>>24972099I think /lit/ would like Silva>All his life, José Asunción Silva was madly in love with a woman he could not have. His love for her is rumored to be the inspiration for several of his poems. He pined for her and wrote about his pain over and over again. In 1891, the love of his life passed away. The death is said to be the inspiration behind José Asunción Silva’s most famous poem, Nocturno:>[...]>And your shadow>Languid, delicate;>And my shadow,>Sketched by the white moonlight's ray>Upon the solemn sands>Of the path, were joined together,>As one together,>As one together,>As one together in a great single shadow.—Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24970844> yo no puedo seguir viviendo con esta caspa.I doubt he killed himself because he had dandruff. Is it some slang that's not in the dictionary?
>>24972215I'm not sure, the closest to current usage is maybe "irritation" and he meant misery and was hoping for Pasteur to drop antidepressants or something. It is also possible that he meant some veneral disease or general skin rash. One this latter options, most likely
what are some books where I can learn about occult rituals and stuff across the world? maybe mainly in western countries? I want to learn more about magic and shit because sometimes I see media reference some wacky rituals
>>24972300I just think it's metal \m/
>>24972300>t. occultist trying to make himself sound harmless
>>24972092It gets a little less exciting once you learn about it. I have developed a certain aversion to the Judaic and Egyptian and even Greek influences present in what they call 'modern magic'. It's very kitschy and it feels divorced from the human element, not because it's unchristian and muh demonic, but because it's not speaking to any truth the way magic is supposed to. It's not magical, so to speak.
>>24972317Just study field theory and math. Sigil shit is mostly larp
>>24972092The basis for a lot of occult books is Agrippa's The Occult Philosophy, but the book is massive.I'd recommend you to go for something that has to do with folk magic first, like picrel.
No one on this board has anything interesting or useful to say. There’s nothing to be gained from reading the your posts. No books I haven’t heard of, and no unique insights I can’t find elsewhere.I guess it’s just in your nature to drive away any actual discussion in favor of shitflinging and circlejerking the same 5 topics over and over. Bunch of bitter losers that fancy themselves fart huffing elitists.
>>24972297Either contribute or leave.
>>24972297ChurchofBedrock.aternos.meMinecraft Server
>>24972297What exactly are you adding to the conversation, because it seems like you're just whining like a little bitch.
>>24972305>deep friedAll of it.
>>24972297>There’s nothing to be gained from reading the your posts. No books I haven’t heard of, and no unique insights I can’t find elsewhere.You just reached the level of culture of the average /lit/izen (which is low), and now rightly see that this place has nothing to offer (anymore). That and also the fact that over the past 10 years this website has been invaded by normalfags.You might still come here hoping to recreate those experiences of coming across esoteric books/knowledge/topics like when you were new to /lit/erature. You have also probably matured from wanting to flex your knowledge at random internet strangers. Therefore it's time to realize that you should focus on reading more books instead of ever wasting time on this board again. The bibliography section of books are all the recs you need.Happy New Year.
What do you think of Simone Weil's Christianity?
>>24971883I mostly think of her hairy dork cooch
>>24971883an invention made by catholics to downplay the paganism of her thought
>>24971883She looks like the kind of girl who would rim my arsehole.
>>24971883She's extremely clever, intellectually honest, with a slight poetical tendency, so she became my entry point in christianity, despite me trying to get into it for a long time.I'm not christian nor anything, but she was the first to show me, and maybe make me feel, the beauties of this particular faith.Emotionnally and intellectually, I found her works the easiest stepping stone into christianity for non-believiers, but maybe it just clicked for my particular mind at this particular moment.My second important author, and I mention it since it felt a bit the same.way to me, was Jacques Ellul. "The subversion of christianity" was enlightening and made me more confident in christianity, like Weil, and unlike more classical authors.Weil is a non-baptized catholic, Ellul is a protestant, but I found the truths they were trying to express and convey were close, and had in common their detachment from the organized, socially ruling religion christianity has become.
Literally who?
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>>24969550Bible is hard
Please add:Bonjour Tristesse (Francoise Sagan)Bowling Alone (Robert D Putnam)Fooled by Randomness (Nassim Nicholas Taleb)Oh and the list should have included MUCH more non fiction books like scientific treaties, though we all know STEMfags rarely if never read books, they read papers and use other mediums to gain knowledge
>>24970579>>24970533Kek
>>24971048Added>the list should have included MUCH more non fiction books like scientific treatiesAdded Hippocrates, Galen, Archimedes, Ptolemy, Copernicus, William Harvey, William James, Freud, Einstein, Keynes, Alfred Marshall, and Henry George.
>>24962296Why Joseph Smith? That's not the claim
So what did everyone get for Christmas?picrel is the kindle book hauls I got, plus I got 125 dollars in Barnes & Noble credits, which I'm probably to use to get some Marx, Smith, Hegel, and Tocqueville and maybe others, possibly a history of China or something. I also got tons of coffee, some food items and a few articles of clothing. more to come.
>>24971302I've read the Shadows of Carcosa collection, be prepared for disappointment with about half the stories. Luckily it includes The White People which is peak.
>>24970926This book, a book voucher and other non /lit/ items.
>>24971873I wanted that Shelby Foote since two Christmases ago
>>24971881*peak patrician zoomer
>>24971755I hate those Pynchon covers
>decide to finally "start with the Greeks">the very American translator spends eighty pages of his introduction to this grandfather of all literature spoiling the story ahead and explaining the themes explored therein as if I'm retarded Why do they do this?
>He didn't skip the introduction Why the FUCK do people ever read the fucking introduction?
Start with the Peano Axioms
how the fuck am i supposed to start with the greeks if i only had latin lessons and failed even those horribly?
>>24966613Always skip the introduction.Read the translator's note if you wish.
>>24966634Yes, you're supposed to learn Ancient Greek and Classical Latin like all the literati prior to 1900s.
what was the best book you read this year?
>>24972348>It's clearly Jewish literature because that's what it is by definitionOk, let me make myself more clear.I don't talk about Jewish literature in the broader sense, I'm talking about the Avot specifically, a tractate that is very much sui generis.>TalmudThat's probably because it is built upon the Mishnah structure (and contents).It also adds a lot of stuff from other sources too, like the Tosefta.The Talmud is at the end of the day a commentary on previous halakhic works, of course it's not gonna be awfully compiled.It's a different matter from the text it is commenting upon. The Mishnah was both the commentary and the formalization of what came before. I don't think there are previous sources for Hillel's opinions, for example.The Mishnah had way more freedom in its systematizing efforts than the Talmud.I'd recommend you to read a couple Wikipedia articles (at least) before going into Hillel.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zugothttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TannaimComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24972380Okay, so your initial comment was saying you just didn't like how the book was laid out then. Okay.
>>24972363>Surah of the CowWhat were they thinking?
>>24972383Basically that.The Mishnah is a nightmare to read from cover to cover, though if you've already read some Talmud it shouldn't come to you as a suprise.Happy reading.
>>24972388Ah, okay. Sorry, I guess we were just talking past each other. 4chan probably isn't the best place to talk about these kinds of topics lol. I'm fairly well versed in both Talmud and Mishna, sorry if our exchange seemed off. Have a good one.
Is "Show, Don't Tell" good advice for writers?
>>24965872>>24972217This and this. Show don't tell is good advice for beginners who have no fucking clue what they're doing and can't write a scene where stuff happens with characters. Sort of like "don't use adverbs" is good advice for people who write like this >>24972218But when autistic morons take this advice too literally, as if it's the key to success, they in for a rude awakening. No. Having literally zero adverbs in your story won't make it successful or a good read. No. Showing every single thing regardless of how unimportant it is will not make your story a hit.
>>24964161>Aaron stood still, eyes wide open>Daniele sat on her bed, knees to chest, alone>Carl smiled>Kashvi frowned, grunted, squatted, and shat on the carpet
>>24972342Hey now, that last one is GRRM not SK
>>24964161this is 8th grade essay advice
>In the evening R. reads to us from Carlyle, about the women’s uprising led by Maillard. In this remarkable description R. once again points out that Carlyle never introduces his people with speeches or allows them to talk; he shows their acts, and in that way reveals their characters to us.t. Cosima Wagner>it's just screenwriting advice bla blait's the fundamental quality of good poetry, no abstract info, no "concepts", everything as vivid as possible. Ideally you "reveal something general through something special" (t. Schiller)
