Why did we stop liking it?
Artificial hype. Solenoid was made out to be an instant pomo classic from a writer who would no doubt get his Nobel soon, and oh everyone who reads it agrees that it's a masterpiece, there's nothing else like it, he's the greatest living Romanian writer, and you better get on the S.S. Cartarescu before it leaves without you, so you can have "discovered" him before the fame, and etc. Basically he was a totem for people who were too young to have witnessed Infinite Jest's release, and who wanted so so badly their own modern landscape-shifting classic of literature.Then the hype wore off and we realized it was just mediocre Kafka worship.
>>24695343I was trying to find this image lol. Amazing stuff.
>>24695294Discount Murnane
>>24695294Anons who liked it moved to r/truelit
I'm like halfway through neuromancer at this point and this book fucking sucks dick. I've noticed something with these alleged classic books that started new genres, they all suck. Lord of the Rings is boring as hell. Neuromancer sucks dick. Starship Troopers was literally just Heinlein shitting out half assed political theories (which he completely contradicts in Stranger in a Strange Land, a gay hippie fantasy). All of these so called classics are garbage. And no, it's not just because I don't like the genres they created or whatever. There's plenty of sci-fi and fantasy books I do like. But most of the classics seem pretty bad.
>>24694900Try C.J. Cherryh
>>24696157She does high fantasy and hard science fiction better than any of the so-called "masters" of those genres, has unbelievably strong characterization, unparalleled worldbuilding, actually really interesting and creative stories, and always writes strong endings. She's a smart lady.
>>24692929>All of these so called classics are garbage. And no, it's not just because I don't like the genres they created or whatever. There's plenty of sci-fi and fantasy books I do like. But most of the classics seem pretty bad.most of them are objectively bad (no real point in denying this) but starkly delineated the genre's boundaries, aims, and possibilities
>>24696162>furriesHow much yiffing is there?
Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg>Previous:>>24681926>Thread Question:Say one positive about a book/series you dislike and one negative about a book/series you enjoy.
>>24696029The Time Ships
The worst part about reading lightbringer is knowing Lysander isn't going to die here
>>24696029revelation space
>>24696115Interesting, i just found out that its an official sequel to The Time Machine by HG Wells.
>>24696116He dies a spiritual death at least>his only friend, Pytha, abandons him because of him killing Cassius>his alliance is basically in tatters and held apart in the most fragile way, and he knows that>he knows he’s a fraud and it fucking kills him>knows that everyone hates him, especially his rapist BDSM boss Atlantia but he goes along with it because he’s a fucking loser that has burned every bridge>knows he would’ve been happy just living with Cassius doing good but he’s an attention seeking arrogant schizo His spiritual death is complete and his physical one is coming. In conclusion, Lysander MUST die
Is The Wheel of Time worth reading?How self-contained are the books?Does the story really needed all those books to be told?
>>24694182Is it worth reading? It is worth reading if you are looking for a long fantasy series that doesnt deviate from the comfort zone too much while still being individual and interesting, and with a large cast of characters that grow on you over time. Otherwise, skip it.Are they self contained? It is a series my dude.Does it need that many books? Definitely not.
>>24694182No. It's a mix of LOTR and Dune with nothing that made either of those works great. Extremely bloated and low quality. It will be forgotten once gen X/millenial nostalgia dies out.
>>24694182Yes, its the greatest high fantasy series ever written. The first six books are the best part of it, however.
>>24694182>Is The Wheel of Time worth reading?I have no idea what you deem worthy. But I liked it. I started reading late in life. Wheel of time was like the third series I've ever read, and I really liked it. Now with years of reading experience under my belt, I've only come to appreciate Wheel of Time eve more.>How self-contained are the books?They are not self contained at all. It's one long series.>Does the story really needed all those books to be told?Yes. You will be lost if you skip a book.If you've been researching the series, then you have probably heard that it drags somewhere in the middle.(In the latter half) I used to think that those parts could be edited down. However, upon re-reads, I've come to the realization that the the length doesn't need to be shortened, rather more important events needed to be fleshed out. There are a few story lines that suffer, not because they're too long. But because they're too short. As the author focused too much on inconsequential banter, rather than pushing the narrative along.But I refer to things in books 8 through 11. If you're already in that deep, then chances are you enjoy the story, and are too invested to stop anyway. The dragging books aren't really "bad". Just slow.
>>24696170>upon rereadsThis series is 15 books long and you've read this multiple times? Christ.
"Anomaly" editionPrevious: >>24668754/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQRESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvCPlease limit excerpts to one post.Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.(And maybe double-space your WIPs to allow edits if you want 'em.)Simple guides on writing:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
She loosened the soft mass of golden hair which crowned her head. Like a shimmering waterfall turned to burnished metal by a dying sun it fell about her oval face; in waving lines, below her waist it tumbled.
>>24695912Actually, I do. You know very little about me and you accidentally revealed yourself as a boomer. Also, Hemingway was a fraud. One of the best examples of someone who should've stayed home and improved his craft of writing.
>mfw the favorite part of my sci-fi story is my characters>mfw they're a non-binary female, a woman, and a man with down syndrome. and they're the best part I swear.
Trying to write an old style book like Morte D'Arthur in the world I've been autistically creating for a few years now. Trying to balance readability and "ye olde" writing.
Where the fuck do you get ideas from? I haven't had an idea for a story since 2016. I'm not exaggerating.
Went to my mate's house and found his gf's library.Any good books in this pile?
>>24692995If you want to get laid at university, you have to put up with soft-headed social science bullshit. Every woman on a STEM course looks like a moose.
>>24694465No, I'm a viciously intelligent person with weird hangups. Close, though.
>>24692995Why is that field so full of women? What fields in the humanities tend to have more men or women so i can assess where I'm at?
>>24692166>It's 2025>You're reading about equality and not *equity*>B A D, C O M R A D E ! ! !
>>24692166Thinking Sociologically is a fine introduction to sociology. I'd recommend it for curious anons who don't start slobbering memewords when they see the word "sociology." Haven't read the rest, but looks like a pretty standard sociology courseload.>>24692995Liberal girls have the best pussy. You know this. I know this. It is an unfortunate but true fact of life. Many such cases
Carolingian edition>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·>>24643783>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw>Mέγα τὸ ANE·https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg>Work in progress FAQhttps://rentry dot co/n8nrkoAll Classical languages are welcome.
>>24696100I suppose I just wasn't specific enough in my question.
>>24695999Yes, there is, but I have never met someone who learned to read starting to read day one this way.>>24696105It's called a joke
>>24696168I used to date a boy who did this and he was extremely multilingual.
>>24696100Something I think that is remarkable here is that I used the word "plain" and in your response you put "pure" in quotes even though I never used that word, but if I did, it would totally change the tone and attitude of my initial question, which would make your response make sense. Since it's not at all what I said or intended, your post instead just drips with classicist elitism and physics envy.I was just asking if there was anyone that just publishes the plain text in physical form of a 2000 year old public domain text so that students like me could get physical copies for reading practice. A version with 1/3 of the page being scholarly footnotes that costs $280 doesn't seem to fit that bill somehow. To some people the footnotes might be worth $260, but I would rather have a plain $20 paperback, if only it existed.
I will partially retract, and correct myself, because I looked at Teubner's De Bello Gallico and found it wasn't priced at asinine textbook pricing. I guess they don't rape you on every book. Even so, something like the editio minores is what I meant, i.e. a plain text rather than scholarly version.
is taschen /lit/ or /ic/? Anyway, 4 day sale
>>24696179I know someone who works at Taschen. We went to high school together. It seems like she's doing well. Good for her. I hope she gets free Taschen books. I think she does.
>>24696187keep your minutia to yourself
>>24696189I asked actually
>>24696189I can't be contained.
https://youtu.be/CFLqS1Hu1nYWho was in the wrong here?
>>24696138>video linkNo thanks. /tv/ is that way.
Post your charts and guides with recommendations and reading order, all cores welcome.
>>24694185Is there a guide to Emil Durkheim?
>>24695430Read the NRSVUE
>>24695954>brothers and sistersWoke shit.
>>24695277Lacanian real or Baudrillardian real?
>>24695430New Oxford Annotated Study Bible is your best all-around option. Translation's fine, plenty of material. You can more or less pick whatever "reading guide" you want, it doesn't super matter. There's a few that will take you through the Bible chronologically. If you're a translation stickler (you shouldn't be, I promise you it matters less than you think, but whatever) just get the NIV and the KJV. And by "get" I mean find them online, there's a trillion Christcuck websites dedicated to hosting Bible translations.
What's your favorite erotic literature?
>>24693295I've got church records from my ancestors going back 300 years and most of them had been recorded doing two things:>making booze illegally>fornicationAnd those were obviously just the ones who were caught doing. This is a history of 300 years of my own ancestors who were FUCKING out of wedlock (and making moonshine I guess?) with enough frequency and transparency for the whole congregation to know about it lolI can't provide those records to you at this time just trust me bro
>>24693433Evidence about your particular bloodline is anecdotal at best (your ancestors might have been more promiscuous than normal or have lived in an unusually "lax" part of the world) and of a sample size that isn't nearly large enough to draw any conclusion about the population at large.If anything, it being a big enough deal to have it in the church records is more indicative of how out of the accepted ordinary it was compared to now, where premarital/extramarital sex happens pretty much in the open to the point where everyone who can have it does, and everyone who doesn't is automatically assumed to want it and not being able to have it.Again, I'm not doubting that it happened, but to believe that it happened more than today, I need information about the population at large.
>>24693295"hookup culture" is the same small population of sex addicts musical chair fucking each other with an occasional rebound tourist thrown in. Things are 100% more sexually sterile now than in the past
>>24695234It's the opposite.Virgins and non-sex-havers are tge small bubble you're part of as a 4chan user (even if you have sex), so it seems more normal to be celibate than it would to a normie.>than in the pastIn the recent past, sure.Before modern times? No.
>>24696150It’s actually not Even for most normies it’s a desert out there. Often even for attractive women.
>"Read Nietzsche’s Zarathustra, and his sister’s note about how he wrote it, and am absolutely convinced that he was completely mad when he wrote it, and mad not in a metaphorical sense, but in the straightforward and most exact sense: incoherence, jumping from one idea to another, comparisons with no indication of what is being compared, beginnings of ideas with no endings, leaping from one idea to another for contrast or consonance, and all against the background of the pointe of his madness, his idée fixe, that by denying all the higher principles of human life and thought, he is proving his own superhuman genius. What will society be like if such a madman, and an evil madman, is acknowledged as a teacher?”He's right you know...
>>24695382This, they can only ad hom him>What is this writing?! He is mad, mad I tell you!
>>24695382What truths did he reveal?
>>24695967His madness was pressaged from the first. The hubris in his gaze, his tone ever paroxistic. It crested and crested and he finally broke. Broke down in tears, hugged the horse, straitjacket for the rest of his life.
>>24696018>hugged the horseNever happened
>>24693213He was mad with poetic inspiration. I'm amazed how Nietzsche could make such a long chain of metaphors one after the other from beginning to end. To me he was a poet-philosopher, rather than just a philosopher.
Resources to begin your trad journeyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qP7CnCtkocPost all you gotJordan Peterson gives the big fifteen>Here is a list of books that I found particularly influential in my intellectual development.>Trigger warning: These are the most terrifying books I have encountered.>1. Brave New World – Aldous HuxleyComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>sci-fi and polysci slop top threeYou need to go back.
lol this is some high quality bait
Where do I start with Hindu mythology, /lit/bros?
>>24692577You are not very eurodite. There was a process of greco-isation of roman myth, but they were not the same earlier on.
>>24694848>euroditeI keked. Of course the two were different at one point but all surviving sources of myths are told in a Hellenic framework. Most differences were ritual distinctions from ancient Italic rites
>>24690752I'm reading the Mahabharata now and Bhishima is an incredibly admirable guy.
>>24695207Yukio Bhishima
>>24695207which part are you at now?
It's heartbreaking to realize how much of Perennialism is a scam (built on dishonest foundations at least) which hinges on and exploits people's good natured dreams of pacifism and unity and a love for life. The grand majority of its main figures have bathed in dubious decisionmaking and questionable motivations that point to a more egotistical, materialist project than what typically draws curious people in, and the current's seeming support by TPTB doesn't give it a very good look. >Schuon tried to start his own tax-free cult in the US and failed. Supposedly was a freemason, but may have failed at that as well. Was not really all that well read nor did he really understand the tenets of sufism to make the kind of claims he did give>Guénon was another failed freemason who was just fleeing from a western esoteric circle that was not accepting his questionable work. Went to Egypt because he could dupe the Arabs into thinking he was seeking initiation when he just wanted a cozy hideout. Was suddenly revived and astroturfed by co-opted alt currents to steer dissatisfied young men away from action into a world of pseudo-spiritual jargon. A lot of his claims about Sufism and the Vedas are plain wrong.>Seyyed Hossein Nasr failed at starting his own cult in the US, but at least managed to secure a prestigious position in western academia so he can both hide away from an iranian society that would steamroll him and have a steady stream of bs he could pedal around to uneducated western thinkers, because he had the rare credibility of being able to understand original batini texts and could keep going by introducing and reintroducing key figures (suhrawardi etc). Twisting their words so he could fit them into a hazy system.>There is never any backlash or signs of the greater zeitgeist discouraging you from looking into any of this, which solidifies its status as ultimately harmless and therefore not so truthful. To the contrary, it is widely supported by UN related agencies, governments (more specifically those guys) under the pretense of peaceful interreligious dialogue.>The cultist, individualist, delusional stench of theosophy in general
I don't care about any of thatI mean you could point out how Guenon was more interested in Hinduism but as Hinduism wouldn't allow himself to be initiated he settled for SufismMy problem is that I just don't understand why anybody should care about Perennialism as a movement which promotes the idea that all religious traditions stem from the same root and yet for some reason the goal is not to synthesis and reconstruct this original root but rather to dedicate yourself to one religious tradition, preferably by initiation?It just doesn't make sense
I find it funny that people will write paragraphs criticing men like Schuon or Nasr, but all they can muster about Guénon PBUH is>uhh he left... yeah...>he's wrong btwYou do not understand a single thing he said, if you even read anything by him, and yet you have the audacity to come here and ramble about how he is wrong?
>>24695691So then explain why I'm me and not someone else, and why certain people are born as certain people. Explain why other people in other cultures weren't born into the "right" religion in a way that doesn't involve a birth lottery.
This is a midwit thread if I've ever seen one. The gist of what all of you are saying is >I'm too much of an effeminate bitch to Be Real, so instead I'm going to hide in all this make believe word salad ''mysticism'' with some extra tear flavored perfumeThat's what this is all about, because if you had actually lived as Men, and fulfilled your roles as Men, you would realize the truest and most credible tool for weighing the truth would come from internalizing your interactions with the world after you have strived to achieve a state of balance and purity on all levels, including your dreaded biological and sociological ones. If you're not even trying to ground yourself in the same parameters that the initiates of these traditions you talk about have lived in, that is providing, protecting, toiling, raising...etc, then you're not in a position to make claims about grand Truth, especially not in a universal one that is touching every single person that has ever lived. By living and engaging with the world, you will come to know why certain traditions are inherently more civilized than others, and why certain civilized traditions have a stronger basis in this shared collective reality than purely intellectual/creative exercises. You are the skewed, mutant gene that seems to believe there is some grand wisdom behind a talking gray parrot when every other man that has lived over the past 50000 years would treat it as novelty and move onto the real shit, because you continue to choose to operate in a foggy context that shrouds and buries universal truth, letting you delude yourself into thinking it's all about the smaller details, when they're just pieces of the apparatus. There is no ''fellow man'', everybody already wants to kill you and rape your wife and take your money ; but don't because of the looming threat of punishment. The lawful religions have figured all of this out. You just choose to be a petulant child and justify it with the intellect that you developed due to the coddling luxury you've taken for granted.>>24695368>JungReheated already established mystical and alchemical concepts developed by slothful castes with new ''scientific'' lingo because his pride just can't bend the knee>NietzscheMan throws a hissy fit because he can't get his shit together. Surely this world must be so terribly wrong!So insightful, wow. And then there's this retard >>24695450
>>24696098Everybody has already made their choice and signed the pact once they reached puberty. It's all on you. There is a great transformative power within each human being, but 99% of them lack the necessary Love for the infinite to make the right choice and get a move on, because being the way you are is just so nice.
