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>Hi George. You're going to die soon. Can you get Brandon Sanderson to replace you when you do? Thanks.
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>>24646874
>Oh yeah I love George RR Martin
>What's your favourite book from him?
>He writes books?
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>>24644125
Sanderson IS the best man for the job. Who else has experience finishing a sprawling fantasy series? Sanderson does. Bonus points for not making every old fan hate the new books.

Look at what the TV writers did. Look at what movie writers do (Star Wars). That's the average outcome you're dealing with.

Sanderson is a good teacher. He understands writing on a level other than just a writer. That's probably why Wheel of Time wasn't a complete disaster. He might be able to do it for asoiaf too.

I might've glazed him here, but he's basically the only one that has experience doing something like this.
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>>24646864
Fuck yourself you disingenuous nigger. You know perfectly well what I'm talking about.
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There are actually people on /lit/ who read and enjoy a Song of Ice and Fire? Didn't this board have standards once?
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>>24647396
Funny how newfags like you actually know nothing about the boards they are posting on. /lit/ has had ASOIAF generals long before the tv show became a big hit, it was a massively popular book series on here prior to 2010. Then the more popular the tv show got, the less accepted it became on /lit/ to talk positively about the books.

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Are academia threads allowed?

>Attend recent conference
>Professor shares that more than 25% of PhD applications to our department are gender studies projects
>This is just at our uni, but consistent across the country (I'm in a Scandinavian country)
>Just boring political close readings and predictable analysis

Look, I'm not going to claim that my own PhD changed the world, but at least I didn't write a dissertation just to complain. It's insane to me that more than 25% of applicants want to write about gender. It's doubly insane that I am surrounded by hyper-privileged white women who somehow have taken it upon themselves to defend black people/Asians/other groups. I often wonder whether academics in Japan or Mongolia or Mexico or Zambia complain that there isn't enough white people literature, just like we apparently complain that literature written by people from our country is widely read by people in our country.

Our degree programme is also overwhelmingly dominated by women (around 95% of the students are girls). I know the situation is different in STEM, but fucking hell.

If you work at a university, or even if you're a student: do you see that gender studies continues to dominate? Do you find their arguments compelling?

And just in case people think I am some incel: I've written peer-reviewed articles about books written by Asians and women, so I am not blindly hating, I just wonder whether we really need so many damn gender studies PhD projects. Ironically there's relatively little diversity in the research in my department.


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>>24644071
>criticising an economic approach makes you a dyed in the wool marxist
I know all you faggots are intellectual babies but come on.
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>>24643096
Yeah there was a girl who was doing all that shit when I was in college, the problem is everyone including the professors aren’t going to ever say anything to them. It’s gay as fuck, literally, it’s all just very gay and sterilized now. I didn’t regret my classes at all I studied some good stuff, I just ignored any pining for outside the class work. Nobody interesting especially not men, want to help cry about the patriarchy. Where are we even supposed to go with it all? Yeah I’m sure society will be better after you
tear down every sign of masculinity.

Whats worse I think it’s necessary, this is the only way liberalism can be transgressive, by constantly seeking to integrate more equality and breakdowns of traditional norms. And fighting the man for expanded rights to minority groups, there’s literally nothing else to do. Going back is pure cope too. University amounts to a daycare and debt trap while the real game changers start and run businesses. Technology is the only thing worth a shit anymore because it’s still cool and there’s nothing women or gays can do about it.
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>>24643096
>It's insane to me that more than 25% of applicants want to write about gender.
They dont. They want to write about their favorite movies, tv shows, celebrity gossip, schlick lit, and any other inane thought that pops into their head, and gender studies is the vehicle that allows them to indulge in their hobbies while pretending it's for the greater good of humanity.
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>>24647321
Son, examine your workplace collectively.
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>>24647337
Tech just looks cool from the outside. Most of it, 99% at least, is really fucking lame. Designing an algorithm to manipulate shoppers into spending an extra 10 seconds on your digital marketplace is a total waste of a life. The worst part is that you need to be a high IQ asshole graduating from the top universities to even have a shot of doing that at a FAANG company.

Tech autism, especially surrounding AI, is also ruining other fields. It's very easy to get a STEM PhD with a low level of understanding in your field of specialization, so long as you incorporate AI, which is what half of recent graduates are now doing. AI just obscures everything in a way that removes the capacity for penetrating insight so it's a perfect project for a midwit researcher. Why does this artifact appear? I don't know but I can train a neural network to recognize it!

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It's incredibly sad how well this book has aged. Mearsheimer may be incredibly hit or miss like all realist school types, but I was very impressed with how much he hit the nail on the head with this book, and I also see why it cause such a massive firestorm on release back in the day given he was the first serious American foreign policy figure to approach and address the issue.
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>Starmer is a great example of a man who knows he's ruining his political career but seems to prioritise Israel more, for whatever reason
Starmer is married to a kikess and their spawn are all raised as kikelets. He's a member of the tribe.
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Not even young Evangelicals support Israel anymore.
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>refused to worship democracy, called it “the dictatorship of capital with ballots”
>stood against fascism and liberal antifascism, saying both were just bourgeois factions
>literally predicted that antifascist fronts would neuter revolutionary potential and keep capitalism alive (see his critiques of the Popular Fronts, 1930s)
>called out the USSR under Stalin as “capitalist in essence” while most communists were still drinking the Kool-Aid
>argued that Russia’s NEP and forced industrialization = state capitalism decades before it became common knowledge
>wrote “The Democratic Principle” (1922) where he shredded the idea that socialism can be won through elections
>basically said: “parliamentarism is just capitalism in slow motion”
>predicted the collapse of Nazi Germany as a byproduct of capitalist contradictions, not antifascist heroism
>denounced the fetish of “antifascism” because even if you beat fascism, capitalism still wins
>stood against Stalinism when it was dangerous to do so, called out the USSR’s degeneration into state capitalism decades before mainstream historians admitted it
>was arrested by Mussolini’s regime, literally told the police “I’m a communist, arrest me if you like, it changes nothing”
>said that the holocaust wasn't driven primarily by ideology, but instead by the need to liquidate the jewish middle class and enrich the "aryan" petty bourgeoisie

What did bordiga mean by this??
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>>24642934
Sounds like a retard who was wrong about everything.
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>>24646886
every prediction marx made has come true. go read something nigger
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>>24646886
>And yet every one of its predictions has been wrong
I can't tell if you're joking, sarcasm doesn't really translate to text but the rate of profit and middle class have been shrinking for decades at this point
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>>24646336
>decouples work from material goods
That's how capitalism destroys itself, the rate of profit shrinks over time. Automated factories won't magically delete themselves when capitalism ends
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Every prediction Marx made has come true, except for the revolution.
Why is this? Is the proletariat just retarded? Or do we have to wait 2 more weeks?
Or perhaps, Marx was wrong, and class consciousness does not naturally permeate as a result of the material conditions of the working class.
What do you think, anon?

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Think about how fucking annoying Socrates must have been. Anything you say will be ruthlessly deconstructed by the posing of a series of difficult to answer and often intentionally baiting questions. No wonder they executed him, I would have done it too.
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>>24646587
seems pretty superfluous
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>>24646590
should a wind blow, what shall happen to the flame
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>>24646372
you put your clitoris inside so it's safe
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>>24646468
Judaism is authoritarian, centralized, oppressive and cult-like.
>>24646426
The dispute was about “Socrates’s corruption of the youth” — whatever that means.
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living among normies and midwits must have been hell for him

>stuck with a dead end low wage job
>socially recluse
>obsessed over racial purity
>raised by hyperprotective women
>short, unhappy marriage with a jewess
>loved cats
was he the archetypal chud?
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Reminder to actually read his letters.
He went from friendless internet (books) incel to grass (and pussy) toucher.
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Niggerman
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>>24646350
>His best stuff
In no particular order:
The Case of Charles Dexter Ward
The Haunter of the Dark
The Shadow Out of Time
The Whisperer in Darkness
The Colour Out of Space
At the Mountains of Madness
Supernatural Horror in Literature
The Call of Cthulhu

One of the things about Lovecraft, for better or worse, is that he was a dyed-in-the-wool antiquarian and as such your mileage may vary. IMO his best stuff is generally where he's really immersed in New England and those stories are much more enjoyable if you have enough knowledge to set the scene.
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>>24643416
>was he the archetypal chud?
Nah sounds like he was a shit cunt from /pol/.
[s4s] would never have fucked anyone and maintained the pure love of cats.
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For me, it's The Dunwich Horror, and The Outsider.

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If Coldhands/Benjen had one of these babies, that is 2nd gen jeep wrangler, with enough fuel loaded into Jerry cans to make it to Castle Black, Eastwatch by the Sea, or Shadow Tower, which would he choose to warn first about the a siege by the Others?

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you gonna get it?
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>>24644858
What's a play? Is it like a poem? Does it read like the Iliad?
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I fucking hate anthologies like this that aren't 'complete works of' style anthologies. What's the fucking point of leaving something out? It just means people have to go and track shit down.
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Bought a bunch of Greek theater anthologies at a used book store a while back and stuck them on the eventuality shelf, recently checked with dismay to discover they were not Lattimore or Fagles because I didn‘t know what the fuck I was doing at the time.

Yeah I might buy an extensive set which corrects this oversight.
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>>24646906
Oy vey just pay extra for the missing works
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>>24646906
some books are better than other books, anon.

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Is there a good all-rounded Classic Lit Curriculum available on the net? Preferably ones that have been used by universities in the past. What would you recommend?
>inb4 start with the greeks

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>machines are bad because.. they just are ok, think of the hecking birds and fishies
I don't really get his position, why does it matter if humans change the environment? Its all going to end eventually anyway
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strawman
appeal to emotion
cowardice
malaise
intentful ingenuity
weak aura
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>>24647377
Fallacy fallacy
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>>24647371
>I don't really get his position
You succinctly summarized it though
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thoughts and words aside, fix your eyes upon the absolute radar dishes affixed to either side of this gentleman's powerful jaw and high cheekbones, the hair of a man fourty years his junior perched upon his head .. my intuition tells me the same thing this his physiognomy and words do — the protection and conservation of the natural world is the single most important pursuit in the world today. all else is suicide of varying duration.

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Why is Klapaucius such a prick? Trurl shouldn't put up with him.
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i prefer the Siberiade
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"stanislaw lem" is an anagram of "satanism well." you have been warned.
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Klapaucius is the more reserved, wise, and conscientious one.
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>>24643217
But also "Wise Stallman"
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My favourite story was the first one. Based Trurl always getting himself into trouble.

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It seems that all the celebrated black authors just write about them being black, and I have grown kinda prejudiced against reading any black author because I pre-emptively assume that their writing is gonna be about blackness, colonialism, etc. Are there authors who write more “generally”?
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>>24646836
Go to the ghetto nigga
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>>24645328
Percival Everett wrote books across different genres. They feature black people but the themes are rarely if ever about colonialism or racism. One of his most famous books, Erasure, is actually a criticism about black authors always writing about that crap because it sells
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>>24647275
i grew up there, nigga. plenty of abstract thinking from myself and any other black person i knew.
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>>24647276
I should write a book called Fuck. Would be better than the rest of the shit in barnes and noble
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Chester Himes wrote some great comedic buddy detective novels. It’s like a mix of boondocks and pulp fiction.

>Straighten up!

>Sound off!

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salladhor saan edition

ASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page
Blog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/
Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/
So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/
Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/
SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdy
General search: http://searcherr.work/
TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chapters

old: >>24635677
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>>24647318
Haha, you pro-tranny. Tranny luving barren golem.
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>>24646084
>It must be really insulting to a writer (or really any kind of artist) to have someone say you should just hand over your work
Bro he could just finish the books if he didn't want the heat
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>>24646745
>not a single farm in sight

What do they eat?
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>That will be all, Grand Maester.
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Wow…just….WOW…HAVE YOU NO HEART???!! HAVE YOU NO COMMON DECENCY??? HES JUST A SWEET OLD MAN CANT YOU SEE HE OWES YOU NOTHING???? CANT YOU JUST LET THE MAN LIVE??? THE AUDICITY TO COMMENT ON HIS MORTALITY LIKE THAT???? WHERES THE RESPECT. WHERES THE HUMANITY?? THEYRE JUST BOOKS GODDAMMIT YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO HARASS GEORGE LIKE THAT, HES NOT YOUR BITCH!!! LET ME GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL YOU CRETIN. YOU. ARE. NOT. ENTITLED. TO. SHIT!!!! IF I WAS GEORGE ID SAY TO HELL WITH THE BOOKS IF THIS IS THE THANKS I GET. I HOPE HE NEVER FINISHES JUST SO YOU CHRONICALLY ONLINE ASSHOLES DONT GET YOUR WAY!!! IM ABSOLUTELY LIVID AT THE BEHAVIOR OF THIS TOXIC FANDOM IM LITERALLY WEEPING RIGHT NOW! MY HEART IS SHATTERING INTO A THOUSAND PEICES FOR POOR GEORGE, I CANT FUCKING TAKE THIS SHIT ANYMORE!!!!! LEAVE GEORGE ALONE YOU FUCKING CHUDS!!!!!!

I dislike making much ado about nothing, and so I will start with my tl; dr here: Firstly, what is your opinion of the scene in the subject line? Secondarily, I offer my thoughts after exploring the Internet.

Out of morbid curiosity, I wanted to see what the general consensus on /lit/ is about the infamous sewer gangbang in Stephen King's novel, IT. Reddit, YouTube, and so on, have some bizarre takes that assign this particular moment as a deeply thematic conceit or objective correlative (I'm trying to steel-man their points using some lit terms) for the transition of children into adulthood. I think it is shitty writing, and I fail to see its purpose and value.

Somehow, I always forget about this scene. So when I happen upon it, I am always legitimately confused. Like, I am trying to read some horrorslop novel. I want to be entertained and scared, not confused by a hacky attempt at literary depravity. Leave that to Bret Easton Ellis and Hubert Selby, Jr., Stevie.

I think this scene serves as a cautionary tale about cocaine and drug-addled writing. Regarding Ellis and Selby, Jr., I think of Less Than Zero and Requiem for a Dream when it comes to shocking, jarring scenes that actually serve a purpose and are not shoehorned in for funsies or whatever. In both of those novels, the violence depicted is not a moment of spectacle like the gangbang in the sewer, but a result of a decaying moral landscape where human beings are treated as disposable objects for consumption and exploitation.

Also, while we are here. Why are babyboomers so deeply into novelizing and exoticizing transgressive sexuality? I think it takes something inherently exciting and makes it boring.
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Stephen is a weirdo
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>>24645084
>Stop doing this if you want people to take you seriously.
Stop doing this if you want people to take you seriously.
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>>24645274
this. never read horror lit, never watch horror films.
just don't do it
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That part of the book came as a dream at the very end of a series of unreal happenings and was accompanied by an overbearing sense of dread that they were lost forever. It is a final goodbye to the Losers as we knew them and they knew each other. All the interactions with It were symbolic. Why shouldn't their victory over It be as well?
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it's not literature, you fags

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Camus' argument against suicide essentially boils down to
>Life is absurd (meaningless but humans seek meaning).
>Suicide is an attempt to escape the absurd.
>Escaping the absurd ends the very confrontation that defines it.
>Therefore, suicide is logically and existentially unsatisfactory.
And he certainly does treat it like a logical matter, he says at multiple points that this conclusion naturally follows from this reasoning, even drawing paralles to methodical doubt. And he bases the rest of his metaphysics and morality upon this point.
But it seems to me like there's a missing point between 3 and 4 because he never explains in detail why exactly the absurd needs to be continually confronted. Yes if confronting the absurd was in fact a "requirement" of human existence that would in fact disqualify suicide, but why? Even overlooking all the people that do end up committing philosophical or physical suicide and avoid the problem altogether, even if you do subscribe to Camus' points and attempt to confront the absurdity of life is the outcome still not the same? Death is not optional and dying holding a certain attitude is no different from dying holding another in a silent and uncaring universe. The issue of the absurd will never and can never be resolved and indeed most people never engage with it so quite literally what's the point? Why is this an imperative of human existence? If I accept Camus' other points why does it follow naturally that I should also accept this? I do not understand his logic.

Anyone here think they can explain?
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>>24644724
I granted he was likely serious. Your response doesn't change anything I've said. Maybe we could consult a more mature version of Camus? Oh yeah, we can't. He died the cool philosopher. He gets the benefit of no changes now.
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Philosophy is bad. Camus is particularly bad.
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I don't know, I've asked all over and I'm getting no good response to this. But I find it unsatisfactory to just label Camus as a vibes-based philosopher given how much he invoked lucidity and logic in his writings. It must have made sense to him.
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>>24645576
Youre right, but the biggest lesson to learn is /lit/ is dumber than you think. You would never get a good answer here, because hopelessly philosophy is closer to religion than we often think, and it is a sad reality. One can rationalize criticism if the "meaning" speaks to them enough.

Theres no logical engagement with Camus.

This >>24644741 answer is the closest thing to "good" youll get.
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>>24644741
>The body's judgement is as good as the mind's
why?


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