Cavaliers vs Roundheads, who had the better literature? I admit the Cavaliers have a larger amount of great writers, but Milton and Marvell for the Roundheads is a nigh unbeatable combo.
>>24956167>but without priestsI'm not sure that's true either. A significant amount of Irish priests were suspected of being involved with the Ulster massacres and were known to be connected with Charles I. There was no sensible situation in which they wouldn't be arrested in masses. There's also Cromwell's letter explaining that he wants to give Catholics more rights but is prevented by Parliament. But this is all besides the point because the Catholics were guilty of exactly what you're accusing the Puritans of doing.
>>24953066Just Paradise Lost alone is enough to carry the Parliamentarians over the royalists.
>>24956107The nose knows.
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>>24954796>Sexy ass>Boring ass>UnknownYou're retarded, kill yourself.
So they adapted a Pynchon novel for filmI've never read Pynchon before but like"One Battle After Another" - what the FUCK is this turbo jogger leftist power fanstasy bullshit?I always realized Hollywood is a bunch left-leaning cucks but holy fuck they outdid themselves with this one.The level of blatant propaganda is on par with fucking commie films of Stalin's era or something.This guy made "There will be blood" and now this what the fuck. This movie doesn't even feel real, it's a caricature of a movie.Tell me bros is Pynchon cringe plebbitor shit like that and not based? Le speaking truth to power
>>24946622>>24952142>>24954359They have to keep the charade up to pretend they're real revolutionaries and weren't just always that pawn of (((the rich))). First anon I'm quoting is too historically uninformed to know that Weatherman Underground and all those black radical groups were funded by rich "marxists" just like today's "radicals." There is literally no difference in the control and funding structure
>>24954048Watch these instead: There Will Be Blood, The Master, Phantom Thread, Boogie Nights, Magnolia.
>>24948662Well said
>>24946335ball knowledge
>>24946260I likely don't agree with your political opinions, but this is a good and nuanced take.
New meme book is here
>>24955899Christianity is just Platonism with a Jewish middle man.
>>24956033They all fail to recognise and appreciate the omnipresent sense of "is"
Lot of faggots in this thread, there is.
Did we need a new edition? What's changed? I still have a Bollingen Plato. Fuck Hackett. Honestly, Thomas Taylor collection would be best if it weren't expensive as hell.>>24955899I'm Catholic and this post is embarassing.>>24955934Lol. Lmao even. So (post)modernity and nihilism are a lot better, right???>>24956062You say that negatively. But the meeting of Athens / Rome and Jerusalem vis a vis the Christian religion is a singular and unique and perhaps the ultimate philosophical moment in history...
>>24956287I have the Bollingen Plato too, but was somewhat annoyed realizing that the disputed Platonic works were excluded (even though there is now questioning the other way, about whether several of them like Alcibiades are genuine after all). Hackett at the very least has every work classically credited to Plato, which is important as they were only disputed relatively recently, and most commentators of Plato’s works were reading those disputed works closely too
The only book on psychoanalysis/yourself/everyone that /lit/ needs to read
>>24955554>"no, wait, that wasn't me."redditdropped
>>24955539crazy to me how this dude still has cultural cachet
>>24955539This nigga wrote a book called Zombie Jesus. We gotta put this nigga on a boat to hell
>>24955554This shit sucks, man.
>>24955539>cumbrained zoomer
Asimov—Best Science Clarke—Best Science FictionHeinlein—Best Fiction
>>249551852001 and Childhood's End are Top 5 sci-fi books in my opinion.>>24955856Saar
>>24955863Torie scumbag.Snaggletoothed gitCloseted poofter!
>>24955192Marriageable age, Bob. Marriageable age.
>>24955185>Heinlein—Best FictionBradbury mogs him and all the rest of the old-school sci-fi writers.
>>24955842Don't snub the Bob
Mention here literature according to /lit/ suitable to matriculate as a real /x/-ian. Or if /x/ was /lit/ cohorts first.
>>24954463Didn't know about this guy, seems related to the traditionalists too? Good rec anon. Thanks.
>>24954283what's wrong with the occult when even raw did some rituals
>>24954283Charles Fort is so fucking good man, it is frustrating how much his work has been bastardized by quacks and New Agers. His humor and his satirical edge are so cutting even today, I don't understand why he isn't more discussed.Fort's fundamental arguments were way ahead of their time in terms of sophistication, to use cosmological arguments and a sort of non-theological monism to argue against the presuppositions of the scientific method in its ability to isolate variables and identify pertinent and impertinent data is something that really didn't have a place within academia until the late-Wittgensteinians, and the sociological schools which descended from that tradition.
>>24946516Not good, but fun
>>24954283>all occultists are fourchin cultus sabbati wankersStrange claim. But yes. The occult is a larp. Or a psychotic version of the mystical quest. But the mystical quest itself is real and not larp. And there is some ocassional wisdom in the gutters. But better off w more conventional stuff. Prior to modern occult, such stuff was more like a sort of proto new age neoplatonic hermetic christianity brew of the proverbial esoteric which also has some wisdom despite a lot of garbage too altho less than moderns. Anyway. Ime the average witch girl cares more about planets than cumjars. But ymmv
Is it worth it? I've never read crime fiction before.
>>24956162>victorian clothing makes them look old to anybody not alive during the Victorian era>the Norwood reaper is creeping up on Sherlock>watson has an old man moustache
>>24956157>The author presents you with all the evidenceNo they don't, at least not for what I have read from Doyle or Christie. The solutions to the mysteries are as ass-pullery as it gets
>>24955839His brother mogs him tho
>>24956157>The author presents you with all the evidenceNot really. You are not meant to be able to solve these. Only Holmes does otherwise the whole point of him being a super autist cocaine detective would be lost. Looking at the story afterwards and going “oh yeah that fits” isn’t the same.
i read them all back in the day in a two volume edition with annotations. the long ones are kind of rough but i remember liking the short ones
Elements of Rhetoricby Richard Whatelyhttps://archive.org/details/elementsofrheto00whatPrinciples of general grammar. Comp. and arranged for the use of colleges and schools by Roemer, Jeanhttps://archive.org/details/principlesgener00roemgoogPrinciples of general grammar : adapted to the capacity of youth, and proper to serve as an introduction to the study of languages by Silvestre de Sacy, A. I. (Antoine Isaac)https://archive.org/details/principlesgener00sacygoog
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>>24954588Trivium is just a pseud LARP marketed to midwits too dumb to notice it's just boomer-tier Reading, wRiting, aRithmetic nonsense.
>>24956111>Renaissance is just a pseud LARP marketed to midwits too dumb to notice it's just scholastics-tier lectio, meditatio, quaestio nonsense.
>Trivium:Read aristotle most notably organon>Quadrivium:Read euclid elements, iamblichus theology of arithmetic, nicomachus manual of harmonic, ptolemy tetrabiblos
If only I knew back when this was published how right he was
>>24956224>can i get a brief summary on the book?Isn't that one of the major use cases of current artificial intelligence?
>>24956215>Currently, the right-wing and the technocratic elite have come to a conclusion that ethnic cleansing is the only way to salvage liberal societies. This is no longer just some fringe idea among twitter anons, it’s the explicit goal of people like Elon Musk and now American congressmen who have all but embraced the ideology of Anders Breivik.You are so blinded by redditism. The current technocratic elite is still multicultural and is still trying to push mass immigration from India. The only thing that changed is that they realized they were pulling so many migrants that it was destabilizing infrastructure to the point that short term profits were no longer outweighing the ultimate costs to the system.This is ironically liberalism in action, as it takes a slightly more rational and conservative approach to migration, undoing the harm of unlimited mass migration, while preserving the system that keeps wages stagnant and displaces anyone that still remembers how good things could have been with third worlders who are grateful for what it isn't yet.The right is fundamentally split between the ultimately liberal, globalist, and pragmatic tech-"right" and the "right right" as Musk calls it, "backwards," nationalistic, parochial and idealistic people that are genuinely skeptical of liberalism. The "tech right" is just one expression of the progressive neoliberal left that has taken an alternative approach to perserving the globalist project, and the "right right" are the remnants of truly populist forces that are ironically closer to leftist socialists than the tech right. But as an extremely dogmatic and wildly idealist person, you will collapse all nuance into a battle between your side (complicated and nuanced) and The Other (Literally Anders Breivik nazis!!) so any discussion about this is doomed to break down into pointless babbling.
>>24956235if i'm going to use AI for everything, then why would i use this site?
>>24956245Not sure what point you’re trying to make here. When it comes to the nitty gritty then yeah, Musk and co love immigrants like Indians, but let’s not act like these technocrats even have logical or consistent views. Elon Musk is the same person who weeps about the collapse of the West and humanity entering a dark age every day on Twitter, and then he claims that AI will actually fix everything and eliminate disease, war and poverty.The point is that when the elites start talking about “remigration” and “white genocide” then there is no coherent framework in which liberalism can operate. When congressmen are saying all members of a group of people must be deported, that’s that future of Western governance. The writing is on the wall. Preserving the international liberal project cannot be done using liberalism, and people like Karp, Thiel and increasingly Musk are perfectly willing to transgress it. You’re absurdly naive if you think these tech oligarchs, who are openly plotting to treat us all as insects, are seriously interested in being liberals anymore despite all their preaching about freedom. Drastic times will lead to drastic measures
>>24956273>The point is that when the elites start talking about “remigration” and “white genocide” then there is no coherent framework in which liberalism can operate.As opposed to indigenous genocide decolonialization? You are stuck in one set of moral idealism. Liberalism has never been without internal contradictions, and by and large the elite are not concerned with "white genocide." The closest anything came to it was a claim of it happening in South Africa. This "no coherent framework" is a product of your imagination.>Not sure what point you’re trying to make here. When it comes to the nitty gritty then yeah, Musk and co love immigrants like Indians, but let’s not act like these technocrats even have logical or consistent views.This is the crux of how pointless your retort is, when it's just "aww hell it's all random and contradictory and yeah I guess they want millions of brown people lol but, I guess like... umm... like they talk about stuff that makes me feel weird and my tummy starts buzzing and i start breathing fast and it just... the west has fallen."Ok?You are writing endless unsubstantiated conjecture. Most of it is no better than what you'd call /pol/ antisemitic conspiracy brain rot. I am telling you actual substantiated facts: The "big tech elites" still support immigration, still want brown people in employment, and are still fundamentally liberal. This is what I mean by pointless babbling; I tell you the facts, you write some conspiracy and rationalization for why the facts don't align with your unsubstantiated political juvenilia.
Was he on a mission to write the most exhaustingly dense prose without using any dependent clauses?
>>24956255You have read neither
>>24956243Despite the diction here, this is way easier to read. It's something about his grammar. You start a sentence with all your bearings in place, but by the end the antecedents don't make immediate sense. Add to it the knurled and archaic diction and it can be tiring to read at length.
>>24956272well if one were so inclined toward magniloquent expansion and discursive ornamentation, elect to unfurl that modest observation into a gently condescending yet broadly inclusive meditation on the endlessly variegated habits of human expression, acknowledging with a faint shrug of rhetorical resignation that certain individuals, whether by upbringing, temperament, affectation, or some ineffable convergence of circumstance, manifest their thoughts in patterns of speech so florid, circuitous, or idiosyncratically overwrought that they become less a vehicle for efficient communication and more a performative exhibition of verbal identity, a phenomenon neither inherently virtuous nor intrinsically blameworthy but merely descriptive of the peculiar ways in which people inhabit language, a conclusion that, once all the curlicues have been painstakingly traced and the surplus verbiage ceremonially set aside, amounts to nothing more or less than the calmly stated recognition that, well, my friend, that's just how some people talk. namely southerners. particularly, wannabe southern gentleman. that is to say, a true southern gentleman largely gets this peculiar linguistic rhythm correct because he was born into it. the wannabes, like our poor, poor cormac, can sometimes come close but never quite get there because it is not of their very soul, you see?
>>24956283Why are you writing like Henry James?
>>24956270Suttree is undeniably one of McCarthy's most "normal" novels and not exhausting in the slightest
What's a good book to start with Jung? I'm already familiar with psychoanalysis.I am mainly interested in dream analysis and archetypes, but I have researched and found that Man and His Symbols was not written by him personally, but by his assistants, and is actually a simple introduction.
>>24953463is there no point in continuing with the collected works after this since this looks like everything of jung?
>>24953539>That's what I did and it gave me the impression he was just a charlatan making shit up (but hey, that's psychology after all)That's what he was, he just read some Eastern philosophy and religion shit, because it was popular at the time, and incorporated it into his Western esoterica sex cult shit. That's his only good book really.
Ok so what Jung do I need? There's 20GB, do I need everything or is there a good collected works or something? I don't know why this guy has 20GB it's way too much.
>>24955440all science is a faith based estimate.
>>24955705if you're interested in a specific topic then you should look into his collected works but if you're looking to study jung with zero background your best bet is this cherry picked compilation >>24953463
>age>location>current read
>>24954838>Nobody told me the 3rd Reich would be so comfy.
>>>>NOOOOOOOO, IF I SAY MY AGE, MY GENERAL GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION AND WHAT I'M READING THE FEDS WILL GET ME!!!, I'M LITERALLY BEING DOXXED ITT!!!What causes this particular brand of retardation?
>>24946303Because I want to reach a near native level in french and because I love the language. The translation is good as well
>24>North Caroline>The White Goddess - Robert Graves
>37>USA>Lost on Venus by Burroughs
How are you supposed to write multiple characters without all of them sounding the same, or sounding like yourself
Life experience. Something a lot of the younger generations lack. When I write different characters I model them after real people I've known and met throughout the years and just imagine how they would react to situations.This requires you to be well traveled and outgoing especially in a pre-internet age where people were genuine individuals with wildly varying beliefs and convictions. You can talk to 100 zoomers in 2025 and they will all hold the same views and mannerisms (that they gleaned from tiktok and YouTube)
>>24955955>>24955827
>>24954674Write archetypical characters. A hero, an old and wise man, a trickster, a monster, etc.
Lest men suspect your tale to be untrue,Keep probability—some say—in view.But my advice to story-tellers is:Weigh out no gross of probabilities,Nor yet make diligent transcriptions ofKnown instances of virtue, crime or love.To forge a picture that will pass for true,Do conscientiously what liars do—Born liars, not the lesser sort that raidThe mouths of others for their stock-in-trade:Assemble, first, all casual bits and scrapsThat may shake down into a world perhaps;People this world, by chance created so,With random persons whom you do not know—The teashop sort, or travelers in a trainComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24954674you can base your characters and their attributes on people you know, actors you like, etc.
Need a book for when I have an insomnia spell and can't sleep. I don't want to doomscroll my phone so it seems like a good way to get back into reading.
>>24953392Agreed.
What you need is an engaging book that is hard to approach. Somehow your brain is interested enough to try to follow it but it takes so much energy you fall asleep pretty quickly.
"Gormenghast" by Mervyn Peake will bore you into submission in no time.
>>24954327Any suggestions? If I'm interested I feel like I'll be engaged.
>>24954682how dare you
Tolstoy's forgotten 3rd novel. Why does no one talk about it? It's kind of like his version of Crime and Punishment with a similar story about prison, crime and prostitution. It's heavy-handed yeah but very good.
>>24954251>why haven't 23 years old zoomers on /lit/ read Tolstoy's entire oeuvre
>>24956009>Still butthurt from the current read thread
>>24956009He only has 3 “main” novels and this is the shortest, it’s not like you see people discuss all of Dostoevsky’s books like The Adolescent or Notes from a Dead House
>>24956205>The AdolescentAbsolutely garbage compared to others desu
