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You do have a King shelf, don't you?
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>>24682673
>Fuck Steven King
exactly. I posted a thread over a year ago, where I said this dude King has written 80 books, but has he written one great sentence? it got a ton of replies but not a single person even tried to post one of his sentences
>>24682677
>He does say he doesn't plot his books out he just writes until he's found a storyline. Obviously you don't like it, but it strikes me as pretty lazy and not thoughtful, directed literature. No real craft to it and almost no meaning
Cormac and Don DeLillo both say they never plot things out, so I don't think that's the issue. I think the issue is Stephen King has a massive philtrum which indicates fetal alcohol syndrome,
and tiny little beady eyes with no humanity in them, and to top it off he completely abandoned any shred of artistic integrity he might have had by leveraging his own namesake to be a hyperpartisan retard on Twitter. he's simply not an artist.
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>>24687359
>actually wrote a book ppl like

who gives a fuck what books "ppl" like. you're on a literature board. 99% of books are not literature. if standards bother you, you might enjoy r/books
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>>24682656
I have it and the stand
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>>24686311
Read Misery and The Shining.
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>>24685984
>couple good stories
That’s every fucking anthology ever made mate. If you wanna be useful tell us the good ones so we can read them. Nobody’s buying this shit here anyways.

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Did the authors of this piece have sleep deprivation? Why did they gloss over the argument that Israel's benefit to the US (yes, unironically) transcends that of a mere military base. The US BEGGED Israel not to involve in the Iraq war, a demand which it acquiesced to (strange, for a nation ''in control'' of the US).

Also, if it were truly possible for a foreign nation to just purchase the loyalty of a larger country’s politicians and then recover the cost by pushing legislation that funnels money back, we’d see it happening everywhere. This isn't an exclusively Jewish trait.

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>>24687846
>women today are becoming actively repulsed by conservative men
No shit. In the past conservative men were just stoic and narrow minded but still principled loyal and hard working family men who enjoyed beer and hanging out with the lads.
Nowadays the archetype of the conservative men is a nut job who consumes podcasts 24/7, falls for hustler university scams and seethes about woke ideology and gay frogs or something
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>>24687615
Most of my friends are lesbians... what does that make me?
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>Memetexting that low on the ickometer
We're so in.
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>>24687499
scrolling on phone doesn't count as reading
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>>24687490
How would looking better in person ever be a red flag by the way? Lmfao

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Rank them
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>>24688226
Yeats doesn't really fit with the others, though.
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>>24688226
Yeats is passive and his mainstream appeal to modern liberals (despite being a fascist) is probably a bad sign. His belief in reincarnation as a sentimental affirmation of life is offensive on several levels. Lacks profundity.
Eliot is only great in his early work, where he is a Dantescan voice.
Pound viewed himself as a failure, though he was only partly. This kind of reflection speaks well to his profundity, but he wasn't as pure and natural a lyric poet as Yeats.
The critical consensus putting Yeats at the top is probably correct but I prefer Pound as a personality and would choose to read only him for the rest of my life if made to choose between them
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When you are old and grey and full of sleep,
I had not thought death had undone so many.
I have loved a stream and a shadow.

And bending down beside the glowing bars,
In vials of ivory and coloured glass
O woman of my dreams
Gilt turquoise and silver are in the place of thy rest
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I give Yeats a slight edge over Pound although it‘s hard to compare someone who mastered traditional poetic forms against someone who blazed new trails.

Eliot solidly behind both although The Waste Land is probably the best 400-odd lines from any of them.
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Yeats has too much plodding victorian sentimentality. Pound is much too dull and unfocused after his early work. Bunting does later Pound better than Pound does.
I’d have Eliot, Stevens, Auden.

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"Anomaly" edition

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>>24688273
Good luck finding an artist without corporate support. Any decent artist is either only taking work from companies or is absurdly expensive.
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>>24688273
AI.
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>>24686774
I bombed your mom last night.
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Why is it so hard to write FUN? I constantly catch myself rambling paragraph after paragraph about some irrelevant bullshit that's not even interesting
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>>24688392
do you let a computer fuck your wife, you Swiss space criminal

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Wondering if anyone has any good books or stuff to read to understand some of the older religions of Europe
Mostly to learn the general facts about them
I also want to know more about how and why Pagan religions were conquered by Christianity
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>>24688072
You're retarded
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>>24688076
Look it up
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>>24688093
Shinto already existed you're thinking of "state shinto"
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>>24687983
>true Faith
Such things don't exist
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>>24688064
Genetic quality is not quantifiable nor is it a meaningful input to morality but rather strictly for expectation setting of how certain people can perform on particular amoral tasks.
>>24688238
It's called Catholicism.
>wahhhh they don't eat God
Sure thing; whatever keeps you under the devil's lies and dominion.

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>“Everything is perverted by this civilization, the gentlemen in suits have fouled and besmirched everything. Lithographs and etchings by old dotards like Picasso, Miro, Dali, and others, which are sold in all the stores, have turned art into a huge unclean bazaar. The money they have is not enough, they want more and more. Paintings in oil, in tempera, are not enough; drawings, watercolors, and gouaches are not enough; to make even more money they do their hackwork on stone and put it on sale in hundreds and thousands of copies. They've devalued everything, the bastards. Many of them are burdened with wives and several families, with relatives and friends; they need lots of money. Money, money and the greed for money, guides these wretched old men. Once rebels, they have turned into dirty operators. The same fate awaits the young men of today. This is why I have ceased to love art.”
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Do you think Limonov's book warrants inclusion on this list
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>>24688147
>bruh they are edgelords
Ah yes, reductio ad absurdum, "dude it's all just a prank! Heil Hitler, dude, lmao!"

Have you ever been to Russia? Have you ever seen a nazbol? Have you ever heard what they say, see what they do? No? Then why the fuck this is the hill you're willing to die upon?

>Ah, yes. That's what I imagine when I think "Liminov" - government functionaries and billionaires.
That's because you're out of your depth here.
One of the main seethings of Limonov was the woe that he's not a haute bourgeoisie (that he was destined to be).

>Everyone knows Limonov was a performer, not a revolutionary. People still appreciate him as a particularly original performer, akin to Harms or Pasternak. You seethe at him so hard you equate him to Hitler and Elon Musk at the same time.
I'm not seething. In fact, I understand why amerilard would love Limonov. America is inherently spectaclist; this is why Trump was re-elected. You said it yourself - performer. And yet, he had a nazi political party that exists till this day (it's called "The Other Russia of E. V. Limonov"). It's just vibes and "bruh" and "edge" and pranks and funny unserious gay talk for amerilards, before someone serious strips you of your basic civic rights.

Also, I now realize why you won't get why Limonov was what I say he was. That's because you know nothing about modern russian opposition in exile. People like Ekaterina Shulman, for example, or Yulia Navalnaya. I've seen enough political frauds to know them.
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>>24688250
>Ah yes, reductio ad absurdum
Absurdity and shock value are the essence of their """""""platform""""""".

>Have you ever been to Russia?
Yes.

>Have you ever seen a nazbol?
Yes. I even talked to a good number of them.

>Have you ever heard what they say, see what they do?
Yes. They say infinitely more than they do.

>One of the main seethings of Limonov was the woe that he's not a haute bourgeoisie
Sort of. And he wasn't. I question your Marxist cred if the actual class reality of an individual is irrelevant to you in the light of his rhetoric.

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You might want to read Marx's own analysis of what was going on in France before gracing us with your own thinking about the haute and the petty bourgeois.
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>>24688321
>Yes. I even talked to a good number of them.
No you did not. Stop lying. I just posted the photo in the previous post - what does it say? What does it mean? Where did it happen? Can you search it without Google Search? Can you quote exact words of manifesto that nazbols declared about the president of Azerbaijan? And how does it fit into your narrative about "liberal romantics with a knack for épatage" and "bruh edgelords"?

>I question your Marxist cred
Like if I give a shit what a "spiritual aryan" with a chip on his shoulder thinks.

>if the actual class reality of an individual is irrelevant to you in the light of his rhetoric.
It is irrelevant indeed. Proletarian class reality means nothing without proletarian class position, and Limonov didn't had one. You lack theory.

>Calling Drigaia Rossija a political party is a tremendous stretch.
And yet you didn't deny that they're nazi. That's progress.

>a political fraud turns his clowning on the political arena into his livelihood. I don't see Limonov as a fraud, because he turns his clowning on the political arena into an artistic performance
Literally potato-potáto. It's literally the same thing. There is nothing real about politics.

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Anyone notice that almost every author from every time feels the need to run anti-immortality propaganda? What is that? What’s so scary about the living forever that it requires non-stop propagandizing against? Is it just that people want to cope that dying is a good thing because they have no choice but to die? Why is it that whenever a character achieves immortality it’s depicted as an awful, depressing inhuman experience? Why is it NEVER explored how an immortal person can be in the lives of many more people across many generations?
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>>24687479
Coping with their approaching death by trying to make living forever be a bad thing.
The older I get the more I realise that immortality seekers are in the right.
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>>24687479
Read Moses Mendelsohn's Phädon.
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>>24688399
>Phädon
I'll check it out, thanks.
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>>24687902
Because the mortal is going to die, who gives a fuck about arguing with it? It's like taking a political debate seriously with leftists who will simply use whatever made up definitions of words they want. At some point you realize it's pointless to seriously engage
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>>24687902
Look at the immortal gods of the Iliad. They aren't heartless (think Zeus mourning his mortal son Sarpedon), but there aren't really the same consequences for them as for mortals, hence they both tend to act more cruel and get away with it.

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Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)
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>Thread Question:
Are there any worthwhile novel novel to comic adaptations or vice versa?
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>>24687915
It seems like your issue is not the setting but the themes. Very broad strokes here, sci-fi is commentary on humanity, and fantasy is usually stories about humans. If you like the thems that sci-fi books play with you may not find that in a lot of fantasy books.
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>>24687907
You should try something good instead
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>>24687915
Ken Liu's Dandelion Dynasty series is silkpunk, moreso after the first book and may have some of that, though it isn't technologically advanced.
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>>24686736
I'd say no, fairly recent release+first novel of the author. Don't know if it sold well, never saw anyone talk about it m. Second book is expected around 2026 for a specific novel festival.
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cyberpunk novels should only have AI generated artwork on the cover as to better reflect the themes and atmosphere

If God is eternally complete and self-sufficient, what motivation could there possibly be for creating a universe? Does creation imply a "need" or "desire" within God?
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>>24687736
The universe is eternally complete and self-sufficient
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>>24688260
You turn man's inventions into God's... how small of you.
You gonna pin entropy on God too? What about death? How about don't eat from the fucken tree next time?
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>>24687784
he didnt create the universe, the universe as we know it is him
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>>24687736
Its a meme ya dip
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>>24688300
How is a gazelle torturously having its intestines torn and eaten while it is still alive and squirming man's invention?

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>less than 10% of americans actually read
>and this is what the best sellers are

Does anyone actually read books?
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>>24688428
uh excuse me?

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>We continue for a long time to talk about the poet, who sees, feels, and describes absolutely everything, without ever giving a sign of his own feelings. We think of friend Nietzsche, who rebelled against Sh[akespeare]: "He always demands a certain kind of form," says R., "and this is a malformation of sublimity and revelation."
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I wish I had realized sooner that poetry is superior to philosophy, would have saved me so much time reading crap
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>>24686716
That's a brilliant observation. It throws new light on the entire aesthetic opposition between Nietzsche and Wagner, and serves as a riposte to the prior's critique of the latter.
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>>24686716
Interesting.
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>>24686716
>"He always demands a certain kind of form," says R., "and this is a malformation of sublimity and revelation."
I do not know what that means.

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Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God thread.
>For the laws of logic to exist, they must be grounded in an omnipotent, omniscient, eternal being (God)
>Laws of logic exist
>Therefore God exists.
This applies to all matters of metaphysics, epistemology and ethics.
Discuss
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>>24688376
I forgot to include the true examples he gives of canine reasoning, but now I have lost my ability to word search the document. Whatevr! It's in Outlines of Scepticism
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>>24688127
>Laws of logic exist
They don't. I've never seen a law of logic. What color does it have? What size is it? Can I touch it?
>b-b-but I can write them down and do math with them
Sure, and I can write a story about unicorns. Do unicorns exist now?
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>>24688377
Behold the retard who believes presuppositions don't require any sort of data. Disregarding that at any rate, why ought I believe "a priori" even is a thing that exists and I could refer to?
>>24688376
I suppose I should have used "naturalist", perhaps even "empiricist" instead of "atheist", although I usually take them to be more or less the same. I will be sure to read that, though I don't necessarily subscribe to most of CS Lewis's views.
>One of her main points is that a logical statement is either observably sound or it isn't
The argument I'm making hinges on the fact that that we have no reason to believe that our observations are valid (within a naturalist perspective). Take it as a Humian critique of naturalism, which is solved by supernaturalism.
Ultimately I'd say that all that can be said of the dog with the purpose of proving its reason applies just the same to humans (i.e. matters of of free will, predetermination, conditioning etc), but in situations such as yours, it seems to me that you claim that humans have the ability to reason- because we reason, and we know that we reason. How can we know that for dogs?
>>24688385
>They don't. I've never seen a law of logic.
So a can be non-a simultaneously?
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>>24688127
1) What does "grounded" mean here, concretely?

2) What do you mean concretely about "laws of logic"? Which laws are these? The law of excluded middle? Are the "laws of logic" = how human though operates in general, or all reasoning, or just a particular kind or kinds?

3) What would you say about the apparent differences between systems that are conventionally called logic, e.g., that of Aristotle, that of Chrysippus, Buddhist logic, and so on into modern first-order, second-order, and fuzzy logics? Is there only one true logic, annd the rest are conventional?

4) If this is an argument on behalf of a specific god (for example, that of Christianity), do you suppose this settles that specific god's existence, or does this only establish, at minimum, a noesis noesos?

5) What is the justification for requiring the three qualities you set up, omnipotence, omniscience, and eternality? (I grant that the last seems clear enough, but I'm more curious about omnipotence as a requirement.)
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>>24688410
>So a can be non-a simultaneously?
Tell me you never heard of paraconsistent logic without explicitly telling me you never heard of paraconsistent logic ...
Sorry, you do not have the necessary IQ for this discussion.

Explain this meme
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>>24688310
It’s a tranny meme that’s converted.
Dull ooze is the tranny.
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>>24688310
i remember saving this meme in 2019. i need a to get a grip on my life.
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>>24688398
What are Deleuize and Guattari talking in those books?
>>24688416
Fuck

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What written work of Christian apologetics can best convince atheists of the error of their ways?
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>>24688144
It really should already have happened. I feel like the tradcath meme had already become passe in 2017
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>>24687860
>They are lest they're arbitr-ACK!?
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>God presents the truth to us in such a way that he requires us to examine everything before us, and to investigate whether or not it is true. Now, we can deduce from this that he asks nothing of us other than to examine and investigate what is before us and to do this with care, and that he will be satisfied so long as, once we’ve examined it to the best of our ability, we accept as true those objects which seem to be true, and so long as we love them as a gift from heaven. It is impossible for a sincere love of any object which, once we’ve examined it most carefully, we accept as a gift from God, and which we only love because of our conviction that it comes to us from God, to be a bad thing, even were that conviction to be mistaken.
Pierre Bayle
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I’m just at the point where I view all religious people as monkeys, just dumb and lower than me. I’ll still try to work with them if needed and be friendly but any matter of opinion or expertise and I already know to discount most everything they say. This thread proved it to me even more.
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>>24687860
This sort of short term reactionary view of things where any decline while there's a shift in the zeitgiest is the same reason that Russia is what it is today. They tried to make a move towards democracy and capitalism, but of course the turbulence of it all made things worse. So they fell down on their knees and willfully accepted the chains of Jeltsin. Stop being so dramatic and feminine. Be free of your bonds instead of secure in your cage. Sure you can put down freedom all you want, but that is why I said that this is just masked hatred of freedom. You believe freedom to be a threat, order is easier to grasp for a simple mind. Do x get y. In chaos you must be adaptive and strong. But all of us aren't cut out for it. Some are sheep, others are sheperds.
>>24687994
SSRI are just another mind regulator, same as religion. Hedonism will suffice for the simple minded. Overcoming these temptations without a god given ordinance is true strength. Falling victim to temptation or avoiding temptation because you were told to is just slave mentality bullshit.

All I really hear from christian apologists is people crying about life being hard and that society isn't frozen in time. Give me a template I can't be bothered to think for myself... Maybe they're all just incompetent people, weak and fragile.


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