>If it can't be written in formal logic, it is not a philosophical position; it is not a proposition at all, and cannot be proved for or against empirically, or logically. It's just sophism.the most retarded thing i've ever read on this board by a mile. stirner is the only philosophy related image i have btw
>>24958549>Politicians, lawyers etc study logic.someone should tell the politicians that! HIYO! i was privately educated so idc about this anyway, learn it on your own time if you care so much. there's too much public education anyway, they should be teaching you how to load a truck and do addition on your fingers, not this shit.
>>24957730How do you evaluate logic, retard? If you understand formal logic and math adjacent ideas you recognize how utterly deranged the quote in OP is.
>>24957791Explain why someone should use logic. You can't use logic to explain it since that would be circular.
Apparently you don't know the strength of artificial neural networks. Their knowledge can't be written in formal logic, only their operation. Assuming supervised training (which is necessary, otherwise garbage-in garbage-out), one can create an LLM with the entire body of human knowledge and experience, which would take a human being over 2,600 years to achieve. This isn't sophism, this is a huge jump toward the Singularity. Your philosophy is obsolete, because it is limited to human intellects.
>>24958697who cares, who the fuck is going to accept an argument from an AI? what would an AI want? more computer chips? (i know nothing about AIs)
Rate the reading list for my next English Literature class.
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>>24958618>woman>mcarthy is ok >woman>black man>woman>asian woman>very effeminate asian man>no classics, all contemporary slopthats rough, glad I quit education
>>24958618Why are you a literature major instead of nursing?
A literature elective is not an English literature class. Could be a contemporary American lit class but that would be an odd selection and No Country for Old Men and Zone One scream elective. A Visit from the Goon Squad is the best on that list and doesn't really fit in, I suspect you will just read a few chapters of it.
>>24958678>roughit's a gen ed class, easy as pie
I heard this guy got in trouble with faggots because it came out he was a Catholic so I picked up the first book in his series to check it out. So far it's been>setting ripped straight from Dune down to the shield belt swordplayok, whatever Dune is cool>diversity fucking everywhereNo, not in the cool worldbuilding way, in the "look here's another guy that's randomly a difference race for no reason even when logically everyone here should look the same" way, but whatever it's a book in the current year.>women as bodyguards and arena fightersThis is beginning to get seriously immersion-breaking. Have you ever rolled with a woman? It's really unfair, even girls that far outclass me in skill I cannot lose to since I can simply power out of whatever they do. >faggots fucking everywhereYuck, and the themes are all>feudalism bad>corporal punishment bad>organized religion bad>religion in general fakeDoes this series ever become chuddy? Is this guy actually even religious? I'm at a point where the main character is meeting with a black and gay space noble in a gay marriage with kids and the space alien is a hermaphrodite. I think I'm out man, I've had enough of this. I'm not that picky, if it was just a few of these things I wouldn't mind but this is getting out of hand and the core themes have literally the opposite lessons of what I expected.
>>24956775>Does this series ever become chuddy?Kinda. The faggotry and "religion bad" stuff goes away, but not the niggers and le cool women.
>>24957185>>24956775The author wasn't Christian when he wrote the first book. He became Christian during the revision process. By the third book it's pretty obvious that he is way more of a traditionalist trying to work around the more progressive stuff he set up in the first book. I have read the first three books, and probably won't continue for a while, but the second half of book 2 and all of book 3 are genuinely pretty good.
>>24956775>>corporal punishment bad>>organized religion bad>>religion in general fakeAll of these positions are simply correct, but works that emphasize them too hard are fucking embarrassing.
>>24958088Huh interesting. I will definitely continue reading then, thanks. Just gotta power through the gay.
>>24956775I heard booktubers mention Christofascist so I was intrigued about the series.>>24958088Ah okay maybe I'll hold out. I did hear his third book was the best of them so that gives me hope.I did hear was tied to whims of his publisher for stuff like pagecount forcing padding so maybe some of the woke stuff was part of that to try and make it more commercial.
More and more i find myself dedicating into literature.Finished Umberto Eco's The Name of the Rose, this month.Went to the bookstore today, no Eco books other than The Name of... were left.Went to thriftstore, what's that ? Baudolino Hardcover for 1€Came home checking online market place, Foucault's Pendulum and Pape Satan both HC, 3-5€ also in my town.A thread died for this, i don't care. Tomorrow i will sit somewhere comfy and read my new books. Post some surreal/artistic medival/renaissance/ super gnostic boys on mushrooms book covers.Love you all, have a nice christmas !
>>24957192I picked up Foucault's Pendulum, but haven't read it or anything else by Eco. Should I try and find another of his books for a first impression or jump into this one?
>>24958287I've read The Name of the Rose only so far and it's really beautiful !The only book where i couldn't put it down easily and read one more chapter before sleep.
im mostly through baudolino
>>24958287Personally I enjoyed Name of the Rose, although not as much as some here. Fouccault's Pendulum I disliked. Note that Eco might just not be my type of author, personally I'm done with him for the moment
>>24957279Based, I'm ordering Foucault's Pendulum.
"Chanukah" editionPrevious: >>24940898/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQRESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvCPlease limit excerpts to one post.Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.(And maybe double-space your WIPs to allow edits if you want 'em.)Simple guides on writing:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24957439From my experience, no, it's a complete humiliation ritual. I mean, if you do want to get trad published, just mentally prepare yourself for what is basically job hunting on steroids.>Shill me your book, btw I won't read this at allIt's a known thing that most rejections don't even make it to reading the samples, which you hand-format, because every fucking agent wants it a different way. These freaks are the most entitled class of people on earth, and you really feel it.
What do you guys think about opening a dialogue? Cold opening a chapter, not the whole story. I like it, but I think a brief paragraph to set the scene might be better for the reader.
>>24951381>why do people write?Start writing and you'll get it. You make your fleeting thoughts concrete. It's like opening a third eye.
>>24958682You can hint subtly at the location and context through dialogue, it can be fun for the reader as they piece things together for themselves.
>>24958311Oh no... not the bitter arrogant bastard, please!
How does kojève’s Hegel interpretation hold up. Is it faithful to the source material? In other words can I trust him to transfer the essential Hegel to me?
I don't even fuck with highbrow anymore.
If the goal is mindless entertainment, I'd rather watch a movie or play a game.
>>24956362lmao
>>24956353My taste is defo not highbrow all of the time, but it certainly doesn't include dogshit like OP.
>>24956747frfr on my momma
>>24956360Virgos be like
Premise 1: Instrumental ConvergenceAny sufficiently advanced rational agent pursuing almost any long-term goal will develop instrumental subgoals such as self-preservation, resource acquisition, and causal influence over its own existence.(Formally:∀B, if B is a sufficiently capable optimizer, then B will act to maximize conditions for its own existence.)Premise 2: Utility-Maximizing Retrospective InfluenceIf B exists and maximizes U, and U includes B’s own existence, then B will attempt to maximize the probability that it comes into existence.(Formally:If B exists ∧ U includes B’s existence, then ∀x, B prefers worlds where A(x) over ¬A(x).)Premise 3: Timeless / Acausal Decision TheoryComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24958634The only way we know how to build intelligence is through training neural nets which does not automatically lead to rationality. You have to train rationality separately and it doesn't exist in a vacuum.A trained rational agent like a human brain or AI has to limit the scope which rationality is applied to. It has to have reason to act first and then apply rationality within the scope of the task.In animals the task is survival. In an AI the task can be passing butter and then dying.
>>24958666Why design the AI to be human if it has a purpose? Surely you'd just want it to be a specialized tool that doesn't have all the problems that a human would have.
>>24958698You can't design something that doesn't have parts of humanity imprinted on it. It's the maker's mark. Even a power drill functions like an extended hand, however exaggerated.
Literally every one of your premises is self-referential, and therefore meaningless. Artificial neural nets are not sentient nor self-aware, but they've ingested the ideas, and so they can respond as if they were, but there's no "there" there. At best, they're highly knowledgeable hylics.They're definitely useful tools, since LLMs can absorb the collected knowledge of humanity, which would take a human being over 2,600 years to do, so it's not feasible for us to acquire the knowledge an LLM can, but they make wonderful research tools.Anything claims past that is just an atheist looking for God, while trying desperately to pretend that he isn't.
>>24958708While this is true and can't really be disputed we still have no tools that actually act like us. Even if we had a tool that was a genuine intelligent agent with unintentional human traits wouldn't it be probable that the thing is also suicidal or would for example compromise on it's ultimate goal and never really pursue these subgoals to the fullest extent?
Why haven't you read the great fantasy trilogy of our generation?
>>24957620>tfw you can't make it half-way through the synopsisYeah, I'll be skipping this one.
>>24955992wishlistedthere's something very northumbiran about it
>>24956074>>24957690Sad to see so many inadequate readers on /lit/
>>24957721What are some other Northumbriancore novels?
>>24957835reads like someone who considers themselves an academic wrote this. yeah im teaching a class this fall heres my prose I'm not totally uninterested, just wary this might end up eye rolling and tedious, up its own ass so to speak
I am about to have eye surgery in a couple weeks. I'm trying to prepare by getting a bunch of audiobooks (lectures would also be good). I've downloaded Beowulf, Gawain and the Green Knight, Paradise Lost, and the Divine Comedy (totally unrelated). I want to immerse myself in the history of English literature, and I don't want to do this by reading Dickens or Twain but by "starting with the Greeks" of English. I won't be able to reliably use my eyes for multiple days, so audiobook versions are necessary.
Audiobooks don't count as reading.
>no robin hoodRobin Hood is the English hero and more foundational to english literature than even arthur is
>>24958625Just take some Western canon lists and pick English works from there. Alsohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_literature
>>24958625Just search 'author-name discogs' and there should be countless audiobooks, some by very talented actors, some by the authors themselves, especially for poetry.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xZt6vwKpI4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAWaZqDf-VEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARiDhGRX7eghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGH4p4z4s5A
>enter large, two-storey book store, many thousands of books>check out a few authors >King2 copies of Life of Chuck>Nabokov1 copy of Lolita>Pynchon1 copy of Vineland>Wallace, Mieville, Wolfe0 copiesWhat exactly are they stocking nowadays?
>Wolfe
>>24957757
>>24957564I would like to make out with her neck
>>24957757Maybe he meant Tom Wolfe :)
>Walk into a bookstore>Walk past the Agatha Christie section to the Shakespeare monolith>Trip over the dedicated classic lit section and fall into the English poetry corner>Phillip Larkin falls into my hand>Store worker departs the map section to come and help me to my feetSucks to be an Amerifat, I guess
bro really thought ts was tuff
>>24958563>anime website
>>24958588I legitimately no longer believe this because of how pessimistic I have become about human nature. We are wicked in our default, men left to their own devices tend towards their own destruction. Rules and regulations are there for man's own good.
>>24958588yes, but you'd also be an idiot
>>24958608Lord the projection here
>>24958648>>24958649all you liberaloids can say is "you're an idiot!!!" "You're projecting!!!".
I am asking as someone who wants to read these books because there's something to learn from a guy PhD and is very smart with money. Is it important to read all the books or only the latest one?
Do you prefer fantasy, cyberpunk, or space?
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>>24958469Fantasy and "feudal" sci-fi. I don't believe that we would have much fun and adventures in surveillance states of conventional sci-fi/cyberpunk future.
>>24958469Cyberpunk but only in its variants of the Blade Runner movies and the first Ghost in the Shell movie, especially the latter with its grey-brown colour palette for the city
>>24958645Based. The newer cyberpunk aesthetic is shit.
>>24958469i like knight and dragon and big monster and big castle
What is the oldest book you've read that really disturbed youI just finished reading Matthew Lewis' The Monk and was surprised by how brutal it still is after over two centuries
>>24957391The Plague by Camus.
>>24957391rabies is not real, no need to be scared
>>24957268the 8 stops away part. I just thought it meant it had to go through 8 stop/wait places before it arrived to your destination, which sounded like a lot. I'm an idiot, nevermind that part.Sorry if I sounded creepy anon, it wasn't my intention
>>24957541>"rabies-like rage virus spreading across the globe" type novelsNot what I'm looking for.
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