Unemployement: The book
>>24786200I suppose the issue is I said "you should beat the crap out of..." which is of course not what Hegel is literally saying, like this is some violent propaganda meant to inspire you to join Antifa or some shit. So I was facetiously quoting a facetious passage. But yes, Hegel had contempt for people who thought humanity could be understood in these sensuous modes which he catalogues and explodes one by one. Remember what he says at the end about the organ of urination and the organ of reproduction? Normally it is an insult to be called a wanker but here I'd be happy to be the wanker and let the other guy be the pisser.
>>24785635Do you want to be some cringe STEMfag, "oh yeah I did this little experiment uhh maybe in 50 years it will cure cancer in mice", or do you want to be Dr. Frankenstein? Out of context I can't tell exactly what he is on about but looks like a standard dialectical progression.
>>24785635I hope you realize you've just called niels bohr(and others) a pseud, given that nobody reads hegel for his incorrect remarks on electricity
>>24786588When did he call anyone a pseud?It's interesting that Hegel was aware of the philosophical problems in the quantification of reality and writes about them but didn't foresee the quantified hellscape we now inhabit. He may be wrong on the details but his treatment of math and science is criticism of quantification in general. Fichte and Kant fall under this line, even, with Fichte's third foundational principle, quantifiability, as he explains in the SoL. inb4 "Really? That's all you get from Hegel's treatment of math and science? Really?"
Hegel is just wrong. Thankfully, the world has gotten over him.
Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg>Previous:>>24753638 (Cross-thread)>Thread Question:You are thrown into the world of the last book you read. Where are you, what are you doing and what are your plans?
>>24785368There were a few stormlight readers in here. I doubt anyone actually still cares about this botched series.
>>24786023It's dogshit.Too bad you started with Abercrombie's worst book by far. The Devils is what would happen if Rebecca Yarros tried to write The First Law series. Abercrombie has become a caricature of his former self. You should at least give The First Law series a shot. It's pretty good. The Devils and his attempt at a YA series are both notoriously bad.
>>24786023Oof. That's a wretched passage.
>>24786267Wretched as fuck.
>>24785181Wish fulfillment is an ingredient, not a whole meal unto itself. If the audience is too sensitive to tolerate any kind of obstacles, complications, hardships, etc in the narrative then the story will be flat and boring.
Satanic panic edition. Old >>24736100
>>24785710Ligotti appeals to zoomers who get filtered by BASED M.R James
>>24785718Lol
>>24785718I'm 32 and I enjoy both Ligotti and M.R. James.
I’m still pretty early on but so far I like this better than Between Two Fires. Maybe I’m just more into vampires in 1970s New York than I’m into medieval France with a child Joan of Arc stand in.
>>24783779sounds interesting! Thanks anon
>dude what if i made up a completely fake story in my head about the nature of men and tribal society>and what if people took these "insights" seriously and pretended like it was some great study into human nature >this is despite the fact that real life castaways have been empirically observed to behave peacefully>deep art btw
>>24786337But OP is right. This was drilled into kids head to make them believe the lie that man is inherently evil, "his nature" >>24786338>>24786358>angloOnly in that they've been fully inured in "civilization". Ruined minds. Their kids, if taken away before schooling, could be made into healthy human beings again. Topple the govt and you could have Morris' News From Nowhere world
>>24786427>This was drilled into kids head to make them believe the lie that man is inherently evil, "his nature"i don't think that's the message, or at least grossly oversimplified. there are two main conflicting perspectives in the book those of jack and ralph. the book does make the point that jack's approach, while more morally repugnant to your typical reader, is more effective in drumming up support and consolidating power in desperate times, taking advatntage of a fearful population. which again, is not inaccurate to history. it's not just about kids on an island, it's an extended metaphor in which to explore authoritarianism, religion, etc. idk why i even need to explain this to a (presumably) adult man who reads a lot.
>>24786427As soon as society stopped drilling into their heads that humanity's nature is one of violence and theft, society started to welcome violent thieves.Curious.
>>24786550>As soon asIn documented instances, men and women who escape this prison camps, go on to live as we always have in the wilds. Violence? To hunt dinner. Thievery? Unheard of in such society. >>24786451It has been a while. I forgot its metaphorical point. The angle I complained about is just an extra implication. >jack's approach, while more morally repugnant Repugnance is repugnant.
>>24786599>we always have in the wilds. Violence? To hunt dinner. Thievery? Unheard of in such society.this is closer to the approach that ralph is representing in the book. meanwhile jack is ultimately creating a system of control closer to the coneption of "civilization" that you seem to have an issue with. jack's system is based around superstition/religion (literally what the title of the book is referring to) and creating/enforcing heirarchy.if anything you should love this book, or at least be able to read and analyze it through a lens that's closer to your worldview.
I am writing a short story with my protag being a 36 year old married white woman HS Teacher that fucks her former student and likes driving also her only daughter just went off to college.
A sad shmuck who believed he doesn't fit in the world, for there is something inherently wrong with him that everyone can see except him. The world around him spins, and he still can't feel the warmth of the sun.I'll end it with a murder-suicide.
>>24784182>smutInto the trash it goes
>>24785993That sounds pretty interesting. Who does he kill?>>24786111Its not smut, and all the sex is implied. I genuinely can't write smut other than he put his penis into her vagina and then moved it in and out and then he came inside her the end.
>>24786133Why did you not pick a competent (straight) white male as your protag? Why did you have to pick a female and write that retarded slop you call a short story?>I genuinely can't writeNo shit, now kys.
>>24786258Damn bro, what did I do to piss you off so much?What's wrong with writing a straight white woman as my protagonist? I'm just missing one of your criteria. >No shit, now kys.You okay?
raiders raiding editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>24748377
>>24776493Its more likely Jon Snow will have to marry the Other Queen and go with them to the Land of Always Winter.
HOLY FUCK HE ANNOUNCED WINDS I CANT FUCKING BELIEVE IT
>>24786439>AND THEN I WOKE UP
It's UP
>>24786582is it streaming
>fascism is le...bad?
>>24786160>have you considered laying down and dying insteadFor some reason not many takers when a fascist pulls up.
>>24786140Fascism is actually peaceful, it's the "democratic" states always pushing for war with them that causes conflict.
>>24785880Is that Fisher Stevens?
>>24785880So Depp
damn this guy REALLy hates orban you can literally see the venom oozing from his gratitude and polite disagreement
I am an animal, and all my desires and aspirations ultimately derive from the animalistic programming that I was imbued with at conception. I suffer every day from this condition, a condition that I never chose to have, and this suffering is its way of leashing and controlling my actions so that they are in accord with its primal Will. I cannot escape this, and as a result have no free will of my own, and this fact makes me feel humiliated and powerless. All I can do is continue entertaining my basal instincts like the pathetic slave that I am, and please my Darwinian overlord that is my genetic DNA. This makes me no better than any other mindless animal that lives blindly according to its instincts, and my death will be no different and no more dignified.
anti-natalist shill thread #874372
>>24786512The Schopenpseuds have much to be pessimistic about, but the worst of it all has to be living a life where you refresh /lit/ five times an hour and post the same boring slop threads multiple times a day. The idealistanons argue about and discuss philosophy, the Schopenpseuds have nothing but memes and one-line zingers. Come home.
>>24786533>I have no argument so will resort to calling you namesAnti-natalism, like gnosticism, is irrefutable
>>24786572So just kill yourself then. What are you waiting for?
>>24786593That is entry level "you disagree so just kill yourself!!". Natalists really have no argument and it is very comical.
Do actual people feel this way? I received this image during autism therapy and was told to record my feelings in my journal every day. They probably thought doing this would improve my symptoms. But I feel this immense emotion that isn't written here. Come to think of it, none of the books I've read ever depicted emotions like this. What about Pessoa? What does First Mate Starbuck feel when he fills his belly on the ship? Even in "The Little Prince," the emotions they experience aren't written here at all.Are all novels autistic? Or did these "experts" genuinely believe this method could be therapeutic?
>>24784787That’s bad anon
>>24783223distracted aint a fucken emotion jfc
>>24784795unfocused, its under bad.
>>24783159Your experiences of blue are not identical to one another. How many shades are you lumping together in a single word? Hundreds if not thousands that have their own names, tens of thousands more identified just by numbers, an infinite number that can't be distinguished by human eyes, and God only knows how many that you can't see at all. This isn't even touching on the way that lighting, proximity to other colors, and and other things can affect your perception of the it.>>24783138The fact that good (and sometimes even bad) literature evokes these emotions is proof of their effability. If emotion couldn't be captured in words there would be no point in reading fiction.
>>24782957Where is envy
Did it ever occur to him that desire is the actual cause of suffering, anxiety, delusion, etc. instead of "civilization" and "repression" or was his life just too sheltered to come to that realization?
>>24786264Except Freud recognises that the human condition entails that many mo of our desires will be frustrated, which causes suffering. The conflict between the individual and civilisation is intractable.
>>24786281>Except Freud recognises that the human condition entails that many mo of our desires will be frustratedExactly, in that it is something else in the human condition that causes desires to be frustrated and therefore suffering, not desire itself and man's meaningless striving after pleasure and comfort because, let's be real, Freud was a hedonist trying to justify his cravings.
>>24786264You have to read beyond the pleasure principle to get it. It’s not all about sex and pleasure. In fact, often sex and pleasure are mediated forms of deeper psychological machinery underneath. The core point of Freud that you need to understand is that the ego and super ego are evolutionarily younger than the id and they all mutually resent having to share a brain with each other. We are still too early in the evolution of the brain to live in minds which are psychically complete. Basically we are prototypes and 99% of our issues come down to the fact there is some issue between the interfacing of the three.
>>24786335>it is something else in the human condition that causes desires to be frustrateIf by that you mean the simple fact we aren't all-powerful.
>>24786382>psychically completeThis means nothing. Also, beyond the pleasure principle is essentially just meaningless speculation on behalf of Freud trying to salvage his worthless theory.>>24786405>If by that you mean the simple fact we aren't all-powerful.That is what Freud means. The anon I was responding to thinks that this was somehow a counterpoint to my point on Freud but in reality it isn't. Freud just locates problems in something other than desire or how the desire is merely frustrated/not fulfilled, leaving room for hedonists to speculate as to how to change the world so as to better accomodate pleasure/freedom. In reality, it is just desire that causes all problems and dissatisfaction since people still remain dissatisfied even after attaining their attachment and are filled with anxiety at the thought of losing them. The anon above may be right in his assertion that humans are backwards animals, but psychoanalysis is certainly not helping with that.
Unrefuted.
>>24785490you didn't read it
>>24785490well i read the chatgpt summary and agree that the incentives in the medical industry lead to a ton of fraud and doctors are not doing a lot of good, they are mostly in it for status and money
>>24786125I need to read this. I think my doctor is trying to put me on more shit.
>>24785490>rapes you and calls you a nigger
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>>24786549You should read the annotated edition. It's actually drastically improved and will ensure you have better comprehension and memory of the core text.
>>24786549Enjoy, anon. It's my all-time favourite novel; requires a bit of a shift in mindset to enjoy if you've only ever read realist novels, but nearly every chapter is a joy once you stop caring about the plot and start enjoying the digressions.If you end up liking it, check out Pierre and Confidence-Man too. Great novels, woefully underappreciated (mainly due to their difficulty).
Tomorrow morning 10:00am BST the Character and Theme requirements of will be released.Your writing must reflect the Character and Theme requirements – the character requirement doesn’t have to be your main character and the theme can be creatively interpreted, but those who just ignore it will not be voted for.You will have until Monday 23:59 BST to write and submit.You will have until Friday Midday BTS to read, vote and most importantly CRITIQUE.Submit via rentry.co – you can change the url of your submission to your story name to be identified easily.No word count, but anything over three thousand is most likely going to drag and no one wants to read your novel.To submit, reply in the thread with your rentry.co url using a tripcode (Namefield: Name + “#” + Password).ANONS feel free to submit! We will just use the no.# on the reply to identify your story.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24785382Yes, how could you tell?>>24786143What did you think made it possibly kino, and what did you think made it schizo?
>>24786333>What did you think made it possibly kino, and what did you think made it schizo?Upon rereading if, I have reappraised it. It isn't actually confusing at all apart from the pee poo man video. It's a certified kino neo noir thing. Forgive me my retardation.
>>24785329Haha, fuck it really is. I was trying to find some sort of theft that would be in line with the theme. A crime which might as well not have happend. But, I got bored with it. /ic/ and ladies squirting on my bent pee pee?>>24785721Yeah, I ought to have developed the protagonist and the world further. My only aim starting out was to get the crime out of the way. By the time I did, I'd gotten disenchanted with it and was lead astray by shiny things. You know how it is my attention deficient brother, when the ritalin wears off. >>24778321Jess' thoughts and emotions are laid out well, it felt consistent and real. Well.. haha up to a point. I enjoyed your prose, it was written well. But the characters and story were not my cup of tea. Jess isn't unbelievable, she's just very dull. The spirit was also one dimensional and I guess they serve as polar opposites. One not in control, things just happen to her and one who's in complete control.>>24772395You do a good job of painting a picture with your words. I don't really have much to say about it. A scene was set and then the curtain fell.>>24774504The opening reminded me of the underground man, but only for a line or two. Your wordplay surrounding light and shadow tickled me. As for the actual sequence of events, they just passed by.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>24785329>top voteI'm flattered.>>24786143>Very slight. You have a bird universe going on here that I'm ignorant of. What content there is here is very well writtenThank you for a review. I wouldn't say it's an ongoing universe considering I made it up on the spot because I like birds.>>24786548I'll take unique and memorable, thank you. I just realized how high contrast mode affects the story for some reason while eating the indents.
Should I watch the film adapted from the masterpiece of 2025 Nobel winner, or dive into the book first? I guess no one here will be able to read the book in Hungarian, and I'm lingering between the English and Russian translation (fyi neither of them is my mother tongue).
>>24785820If you can't imagine that maybe you are too retarded to read, sorry.
>>24785820>probably just watch the movie, otherwise it will be hard to imagine the context>this is advice on the literature board
the english translation is very good literature, szirtes is a poet and a friend of his and spent a long time getting it as good as it is.
>SATANTANGO>SATAN TANGOuhhh Im not engaging in your satanism, heathen.
>>24785663I've watched the film twice, both times in one sitting. It's really good. It's divided in chapters and the point of view characters keep changing, so it's closer to binging a mini series than watching a long movie. It goes flying. I have the book, but haven't read it yet. I've read The Melancholy of Resistance though and it's brilliant, and so is the movie.
“Autobiography of a Yogi” (1946) is a fucking great book so far and I’d even call it a modern spiritual classic. If you’re looking to get into Hinduism but reading older texts like the Gitas, Vedas, or Upanishads generally sounds daunting to you, then this would be a great primer.(Yes, to get it out of the way, I understand people today and online have grievances against Indians, particularly for flooding en masse into Western nations like the U.S. and Canada, abuse of the immigration system and H1B visas, etc., but it’s still just a great book. I’m aware of the meme answers I’ll get in response.)As a story it’s incredibly entertaining, too. Yogananda has a great storyteller’s touch, a novelistic coherence to the whole thing, with lots of nested stories within the book and many fascinating characters met along the way. He’s a surprisingly eloquent stylist, too, the book is ornately written with poetic diction. Some people have made it a habit to mock Westerners today interested in Eastern spiritual teachings, the whole excesses, hypocrisies, or flaws from the hippie counterculture to the modern New Age movement and the like, associated with this spiritual tourism; but, when you study some authentic forms of Eastern spirituality, like the Kriya Yoga lineage brought to the West by Yogananda and its roots in Vedic teachings, it’s hard not to see why some people are impressed by it. They go more straightforwardly into some deeper philosophical exploration of core existential issues than, perhaps, the mainstream forms of religion that more in the West are familiar with (Christianity, Judaism, and increasingly Islam today from immigration) often do, in people’s experiences with them. And this is not necessarily even in a supremacist way, but in a harmonious and universalist way, open to other traditions and even claiming a possible shared origin and unity with them. Teachings like Yogananda’s make me see and respect Christ and Christianity in a profounder way, for instance, much as some may be angry or contemptuous of that very notion (out of the mindset of viewing religion like a competition).What do people think? Any other Yogananda enjoyers here? Am I a race-traitor for even appreciating some of Indian spirituality seriously as a Westerner? What’s going on in your heads?
>>24784758Nigger
>>24784763Pajeet my son you are like 85% African.
>>24784777Trips of truth — but Jeets are more capable of enlightenment *because* of their lack of self-awareness — I was just calling you nigger because you are fucking stupid
Autobiography of a Turd
>>24784700>Frankly there is a part of me that thinks eastern spirituality is just far deeper… sure the west is “smarter,” but there really seem to have been some Hindu masters who achieved enlightenment. Ramana Maharishi seems to have. Neem Karoli Baba might have really had special powers.Its almost entirely because eastern spirituality/religions (all of which pretty much exclusively derive from India) put the work majorly on you. There are salvific elements, but for the most part, its all on you.
