The Greeks? Philosophy, religion? Poetry? Sure, I like them. And I'll read them too... just as soon as I finish this hideously entertaining novel.
>the novel
>>24786472>The Greeks? Philosophy, religion? Poetry?I actually don't enjoy these.
Is the "Gen Alpha can't read" meme real? Like are 2025 9th graders actually showing up to high school not knowing how to write paragraphs?Or only the brown ones?
>>24786091Out of curiosity, go to Niche.com and look up which letter the school in question is ranked.
>>24786121>The population of "white" Americans under 30 is around 80 million as of right now>Not going by proportionalYeah and whatever that is I would halve that too
>>24786091What's the solution here? Balkanize North America? Just gather a chunk of all the smart white people into one section of the continent and declare independence?Bring back farm work? Maybe the idiots can till the fields.
>>24786429>Just gather a chunk of all the smart white people into one section of the continent and declare independence?Would never work, whites are genuinely retarded. Don’t forget that despite the last 30 years half of them are still staunch Democrats. Upon getting an ethnostate they would vote for immigration.
>>24785925People have always been stupid.It was normal for less than 5% of the population to go to college. People understanding their newspaper is the most arduous reading one must expect of them (not understand they are being lied to, but understand the propaganda message targeting them).
Unemployement: The book
>>24786050>He says at least twice that you should beat the crap out of such a person to establish your autonomy as a free human being.No he doesn't. If that's what you came away with from 322 and 339, then you're a sloppy reader.
>>24786169It's exactly what he says, it's a joke of course, and there is more going on here. You did this in the other thread too, I'll say something true about what is in a given section and then you'll try to say it's a shit reading because it isn't complete. But I'm not pretending to give a complete reading, to do that you would want to situate the movement in observing within Reason itself as the unrealized certainty of being all truth, tie it to other moments in which spirit externalizes itself, etc. You would want to make explicit the parallels here with the whole movement of consciousness -> self-consciousness, in particular. Or if you actually believe that Hegel didn't think it was retarded to understand human beings in terms of external, sensuous determinations then I don't know what to tell you, you need to read it again.
>>24786169>>24786185
>>24786200I suppose the issue is I said "you should beat the crap out of..." which is of course not what Hegel is literally saying, like this is some violent propaganda meant to inspire you to join Antifa or some shit. So I was facetiously quoting a facetious passage. But yes, Hegel had contempt for people who thought humanity could be understood in these sensuous modes which he catalogues and explodes one by one. Remember what he says at the end about the organ of urination and the organ of reproduction? Normally it is an insult to be called a wanker but here I'd be happy to be the wanker and let the other guy be the pisser.
>>24785635Do you want to be some cringe STEMfag, "oh yeah I did this little experiment uhh maybe in 50 years it will cure cancer in mice", or do you want to be Dr. Frankenstein? Out of context I can't tell exactly what he is on about but looks like a standard dialectical progression.
Having read V. and reading GR now, I find that these two - almost equal in the engagingness (fluctuations lie on personal preference) - can be differentiated as such:David's prose is raw, conveys all awkwardness, doesn't skip details, feels vivid and relatable and overdescriptive in a funny way.Tom's prose is like a dream, it's almost lucid, there are very touching and tangible moments, and there are very unclear and hazy ones. He sporadically jumps like a disjointed speech from a bad orator, but it beckons you to focus and feel good when you catch what he means. This was more unpleasant for me in V., but GR (with a dutiful editor) is much improved on that account. Modern, post-modern and post-post-modern authors play with lucidity in their prose, which makes one all the more unhappy with the renewed unwillingness to play with it on the part of contemporary writers. My own country has been plagued by realism in it's novels up until Gospodinov (Time Shelter), excluding some quite poor attempts, which are massively studied in schools for their explicitly for their "unusualness".I generalise quite a bit, of course, but what are your thoughts on the boring prose of moder novels - the "I woke up and the phone rang. I went and picked it up. I didn't know who was on the other side"s and such. The reason my compatriot poetry is that much better and emotionally moving is because it can't fall into the pit of boring, repetitive unoriginality. Though Rapi Kaurs and such do beg to differ...>I don't have time to recheck for readability and coherence
>>24786455One must imagine a philosophically turbaned Pynchon and a greased slickbacked DFW…
Is it good?Im just looking for something good. I read most of the classics already, I just wanna fall into something you know. Or I might read War and Peace. Whats the last good book you read that was a fine and pleasant read throughout?
i read it for my book group recently and disliked it. and i'm not just a woman writer hater - i quite liked poisonwood bible by the same author
>>24786340I liked the first 100 pages then lost all interest and read the wikipedia page. Feel like i read the good part and didnt miss out on a whole lot.
>>24786340It felt like the book form of Oscar bait. I found it annoyingly insincere.
An informative pic for /lit/Plato advocated for more centralized system and unitary ideals; Aristotle advocated for political pluralism and a partnership of clans (which is the basis for a partnership of states in decentralized models).
>>24784288>americans have to use a word nobody uses (polity) to censor the word republic because they don't want Aristotle supporting drumpf
>>24785074>but the anons here keep dismissing this comparison and contrast between Aristotle and Plato because they don't take Plato's Republic for a book of political science.Lol just wait one of them will pop up within an hour or two telling you it's all a metaphor, is ONLY about justice and the soul, and has absolutely nothing to do with politics whatsoever, and that you are a pseud for reading it this way, and will rip whatever quotes he can to pretend that it is somehow not about politics. Even though most of it is about politics and in both the Timaeus and the Laws he refers to it as concerning politics and the ideal state. I think they think they are smart/sophisticated readers by doing this but they are actually retarded.
>>24785954From what I have gathered, it is the Straussian reading.George Klosko gives a defense of the political reading in a few essays, look him up.George Klosko Essays:Implementing the Ideal StateTHE 'STRAUSSIAN' INTERPRETATION OF PLATO'S "REPUBLICPlato's Utopianism: The Political Content of the Early Dialogues
>>24785938???
>>24785954Where in Timaeus does Plato refer to it?
Do you think your life will be more pleasant with anyone but me? Think about it!—Ah! certainly not!—Only with me can you be free. And since I swear to you that I will be kind from now on, that I deplore all my share of wrongs, that my mind is at last clear, that I truly love you—if you refuse to return, or to let me come to you, you are committing a crime, and you will repent of it for many years to come, through the loss of all freedom and torments perhaps even more dreadful than any you have known. After that, think back to what you were before you met me. As for me, I am not going back to my mother’s; I am going to Paris, and I will try to leave by Monday evening. You will have forced me to sell all your clothes—I can do no otherwise. They are not yet sold: they will only be taken away on Monday morning. If you wish to write to me in Paris, address your letters to L. Forain, 289 rue Saint-Jacques, for A. Rimbaud. He will know my address. Certainly, if your wife returns, I will not compromise you by writing to you—I will never write again. The only true word is this: come back. I want to be with you; I love you. If you listen to this, you will show courage and a sincere spirit. Otherwise, I pity you. But I love you, I embrace you, and we shall see each other again.
>>24785070verlaine for not realizing that when you date a child they will act like a child.
>>24785631Je suis élu, je suis damné !Un grand souffle inconnu m’entoure.Ô terreur ! Parce, Domine ! Quel Ange dur ainsi me bourreEntre les épaules tandisQue je m’envole aux Paradis ? Fièvre adorablement maligne,Bon délire, benoît effroi !Je suis martyr et je suis roi,Faucon je plane et je meurs cygne ! Toi le Jaloux qui m’as fait signe,Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24784467>tfw even if one did, it wouldn't even be quarter as poignant, original and sincere
>Why, yes. I am an intellectual because I like this literal animu character. You wouldn't understand.
imagine kissing this
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If I get trips the fat man dies TONIGHT.
>>24776487why the fuck have you not read the best part of the series yet?
>>24776493Its more likely Jon Snow will have to marry the Other Queen and go with them to the Land of Always Winter.
HOLY FUCK HE ANNOUNCED WINDS I CANT FUCKING BELIEVE IT
>>24786439>AND THEN I WOKE UP
How come /lit/ doesn't have comprehensive collections of downloads? Like /x/ has with occult books of every sort? Am I just missing something somewhere?
>>24786339I hate women so much.
>>24786339because there is no need for that. every book thats talked about on here is beyond easy to find online.
>>24786339So do I, but I have to goon sometimes.
Do actual people feel this way? I received this image during autism therapy and was told to record my feelings in my journal every day. They probably thought doing this would improve my symptoms. But I feel this immense emotion that isn't written here. Come to think of it, none of the books I've read ever depicted emotions like this. What about Pessoa? What does First Mate Starbuck feel when he fills his belly on the ship? Even in "The Little Prince," the emotions they experience aren't written here at all.Are all novels autistic? Or did these "experts" genuinely believe this method could be therapeutic?
>>24783171What if I process my emotions by gooning
>>24784787That’s bad anon
>>24783223distracted aint a fucken emotion jfc
>>24784795unfocused, its under bad.
>>24783159Your experiences of blue are not identical to one another. How many shades are you lumping together in a single word? Hundreds if not thousands that have their own names, tens of thousands more identified just by numbers, an infinite number that can't be distinguished by human eyes, and God only knows how many that you can't see at all. This isn't even touching on the way that lighting, proximity to other colors, and and other things can affect your perception of the it.>>24783138The fact that good (and sometimes even bad) literature evokes these emotions is proof of their effability. If emotion couldn't be captured in words there would be no point in reading fiction.
>be gay hedonist>write definitive story of how being a gay hedonist ruins your life and destroys everything of beauty and value you touch>get your dick cut off and locked in a tower until you die>gay hedonists: "omg hes so based"I feel like the entire situation could have been handled better by all parties involved.
>>24786380>If straggots could find pussy to pound in five minutes using an app like fags can with grinder, they would.whatever helps you sleep at night. everyone is actually just as morally corrupt as you! there's nothing wrong with you if you listen to moral relativism.>You can't understand a user's mind>But try, with your books and degrees>If you let yourself go and open your mind>I'll bet you'd be doin' like me, and it ain't so badthis is how you sound like. self-destructive, degenerate cope.
>>24786308What would society be like if women were the same way?
>>24786380>faggots love getting their prostates pounded.post hoc justification granted through porn obsession rather than anything grounded in reality. if the "g-spot" were a real phenomenon, fags would cum every time they take a shit.
>>24784920he literally fucked underaged boys named Mohammed in Algeria regularlyhe wasnt simply a "gay hedonist"he was a pedophile degenerateJust ebcause you like to tolerate gays doesnt make this subhuman one of your queer pets.
>>24786444you're so close to the truth, dude. so, so close. it's like the book. you open a door, they all open. relativism and its consequences.
>dude what if i made up a completely fake story in my head about the nature of men and tribal society>and what if people took these "insights" seriously and pretended like it was some great study into human nature >this is despite the fact that real life castaways have been empirically observed to behave peacefully>deep art btw
>>24786336>dude what if i made up a completely fake story in my headyep, that's what a novel is.
>>24786336It actually is a great study into anglo nature
>>24786336>people would rather follow a charismatic strongman pushing superstition, exclusion, and violence than a more nuanced perspectived based around reason and cooperationseems pretty accurate desu
>>24786337But OP is right. This was drilled into kids head to make them believe the lie that man is inherently evil, "his nature" >>24786338>>24786358>angloOnly in that they've been fully inured in "civilization". Ruined minds. Their kids, if taken away before schooling, could be made into healthy human beings again. Topple the govt and you could have Morris' News From Nowhere world
>>24786427>This was drilled into kids head to make them believe the lie that man is inherently evil, "his nature"i don't think that's the message, or at least grossly oversimplified. there are two main conflicting perspectives in the book those of jack and ralph. the book does make the point that jack's approach, while more morally repugnant to your typical reader, is more effective in drumming up support and consolidating power in desperate times, taking advatntage of a fearful population. which again, is not inaccurate to history. it's not just about kids on an island, it's an extended metaphor in which to explore authoritarianism, religion, etc. idk why i even need to explain this to a (presumably) adult man who reads a lot.
Books on why 1993 stuck out as a particularly odd year in culture?
>>24785487I don't really think it does stick out as such an 'odd' year as you put it. What was so 'odd' about it? Your picrel: Heart Shaped Box was a decent song with an impressive music video, from what is probably Nirvana's best album. There was a handful of good albums other than In Utero; namely Siamese Dream, Bjork's Debut, and Wu Tang Clan's Enter the Wu Tang. Not many good films came out that year, Carlito's Way and True Romance are the only two that stick out. As for novels? Trainspotting was probably the book with the most impact, I guess Girl, Interruptted, and The Virgin Suicides too? But really all three books were overshadowed by their film adaptations.
>>24785487The grunge scene? Just enough and leisure time afforded to the youth coupled with cafe culture, this being just before Starbies ruined it, and the art that flourished was dismal and nihilistic, as if it knew it would fade away, get bought out and commercialized into nothing, AGAIN. Similar dynamics in the UK. They had their clubs and flash-mob unauthorized raves going around both US and UK. But again it was corporatized and flattened. "Civilization" snuffs out culture as soon as it sees it.
>>24786226>>24786315Mostly talking about how performative activism suddenly was in everyone's face that year.
why did this rendering of Judge Holden by some DeviantArt artist become so popular?
>>24782803Judge Holden is such a good character, but sadly very few people understand him. A couple years ago I wrote an effort post on reddit explaining why he represents cowardice, but obviously the redditors didn't get it.https://www.reddit.com/r/cormacmccarthy/comments/15camvj/judge_holdem_represents_not_war_or_evil_but_human/
>>24784391Honestly I'm with you anon. To me Judge Holden just seems like one of those hobos you meet sometimes who are surprisingly eloquent. Also before I read the book I saw the things existing without my consent quote and thought it was intimidating but within the context of the story it just seems like a cope.
>>24782803It's funny how the best depiction of him is AI
>>24784365Harold Bloom?
>>24783164Lol
Should I watch the film adapted from the masterpiece of 2025 Nobel winner, or dive into the book first? I guess no one here will be able to read the book in Hungarian, and I'm lingering between the English and Russian translation (fyi neither of them is my mother tongue).
>>24785663It doesn't matter. They're brilliant for different reasons. Obviously only watch the film if you're interested and used to slow cinema. You won't get anything out of it otherwise.
>>24785820If you can't imagine that maybe you are too retarded to read, sorry.
>>24785820>probably just watch the movie, otherwise it will be hard to imagine the context>this is advice on the literature board
the english translation is very good literature, szirtes is a poet and a friend of his and spent a long time getting it as good as it is.
>SATANTANGO>SATAN TANGOuhhh Im not engaging in your satanism, heathen.
