>peak>mid>slop>crash out>unaliveWhat the hell is up with modern speech turning into newspeak straight out of 1984? The word "ungood" genuinely wouldn't look too out of place with all the neologisms I just listed.
I don't care about whatever slang that arises organically, part of getting older is finding the younger generations ridiculous and stupid, but terms like "unalive" that arise from censorship or gaming the algorithm make me rage. The Internet is now a literal mind control device.
>>24852067>invented common wordsThe point of contention is not the invetion of the word, but invention and spread of it's use in a particular meaning. As far as I know, Tolkien and Lewis did not call contemporary pulp literature or even cheap food "slop". > that meaning being applied to non-food items is something that well predates 4chanProvide some examples.
>>24852264Slop predates 4chan by a long shot. Never heard of slopping pigs? "Slop" was all your edible food waste and leftovers given to the hogs.. which was then applied as a pejorative to any shitty food.. the fuck are you invoking Tolkien for?Goyslop is certainly a 4chan invention, tho
>>24852267Wait I just read your post..Still.. definitely applied to non-food stuff prior to 4chan. My great-grandma would call the TV the "idiot box" and claim it was full of slop.
>>24852267>Slop predates 4chan by a long shot. Please provide some examples in use. > "Slop" was all your edible food waste and leftovers given to the hogsThat's "swill".
suppose you were introducing a teenage boy relative to classic adventure/sci-fi/fantasy/horror pulp, what authors would you recommend apart from these four of course
>>24852265Fritz LeiberL Sprague DeCampERBJack Vance
I'll start.
>>24851924I never read any more Vonnegut after that. He was a little too gross for me. The whole white semen on blue velvet fabric line was a bit much. It was a pretty funny book, even if it was a little too graphic and cynical for my tastes.
>>24851941Yeah Vonnegut is kind of fleshy, he's not like Cormac McCarthy or Stephen king at the end of it but he doesn't shy away from cocks and whores. Breakfast of champions has every characters penis size whenever they're introduced for the first time, and he includes crude little drawings in most chapters. His picture of a butthole looked a lot like this *.
>>24851861The one conspiracy theory book by William Cooper.>Behold a pale horseIt was quite fun to read about what the 90s schizos thought about
more generic slop than you can imagine, i've read in a day. back when i was in and out of jail, i'd eat books whole. most of it garbage. many many 300 page books went down within a day, there was even a guard who would make fun of me because i always switched out books every night >how many today, jack?
>human knowledge is limited to phenomena, the world as structured by our mind’s categories (space, time, causality, etc)>the noumenal world, things as they are “in themselves,” independent of perception, is unknowablethis distinction was meant to preserve both empirical science (which studies appearances) and metaphysical limits (beyond which reason cannot go).but If we truly can’t know anything about the noumenal world, then how can we even assert its existence or claim it causes appearances?
>>24851665It’s save to say we can’t know God. But how can you be so sure that no one experiences God?
>>24851339Read Schopenhauer, He makes a concise argument about how "The will" which resides in the "Noumenal", Which means that that Will also resides in us as it also resides in the objects we perceiveBut that's merely just speculation, You can't know what's there is, The unknown can never be know even Kant himself said it
>>24852089This sounds stupid.
>>24851665It wouldn’t even be God because we can conceptualize God. Noumena goes further than that in Kant’s definition and noumena simply can not be known because as I said, we don’t have the faculties to cognize it whatsoever, only as what it is not, which according to Kant is appearances.>>24852089For Schopenhauer the Will is the thing in itself, the striving force of the universe, which is perceivable as representation (what Kant would call “appearances”) and and is known to us through ourselves as we have Will.As you said, Will is in everything we see, thus the World as representation, but it is more than that, it’s the essence of the universe and all striving; it’s what makes a magnet point north, the planets orbit the sun, human nature, pain and pleasure, the laws of physics, chemical reactions, so on and so forth.Schopenhauer’s main divergence from Kant is precisely that the Will, the thing in and of itself can be known and is known immediately through the self.
>>24851339>how can we even assert its existenceBy dialectically affirming it as the only existing thing.>or claim it causes appearancesThis is plain wrong.
Which Dostoevsky book do lesbians like the most?
>>24851866I guarantee r/actuallesbians has an answer for you.
>>24851866God this is so hot
>>24851985I just googled and browsed that subreddit and my god what a depressing and wretched people "lesbians" are.
ye olde: >>24835665Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs).https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg>Thread Question:What's your favourite decade of sci-fi?
>>24846751>>24846859you are gay and retarded
>>24851603BAHAHAHHAHA
>>24852077I picked up like 10 Dragonlance books at a yard sale for about 5 bucks and I tried reading Dragons of Autumn Twilight about a month ago. I got about halfway before I had to put it down due to just how atrociously bad it was. The characters were stale as shit, plot was just random thing happening into next random thing happening and the writing was just generally dogshit. Do they get better or is it just nostalgia from people reading them as teens? I've got all of Chronicles, Legends and Tales.
>>24852182It is nostalgia. Hell, I was something like 14 when I tried to read them and I already thought it was retarded. It felt like someone was playing a D&D campaign with a retard DM and writing a let's play as they went along with zero editing, which is probably exactly what happened.
>>24852100the spas 12 is dogshit, you know it's dogshit, you just want to believe it's good because it's in muh bideo games
hizdahr zo loraq editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>24822405
>>24843956the timeline was always weird to mewhile reading the books you would think Doom of Valyria happened like thousands of years ago, not 400. Martin is such a hack
>>24851996GRRM is terrible at world-building while at the same time it's obvious that's his favourite part.
it will always somewhat irk me that none of the Riverlords yell "KING OF THE TRIDENT" after the Greatjon names Robb King in the North. I love the moment in one of later books (can't remember if it was ACoK or ASoS) where the northern lords shout "the King in the North!" and the riverlords answer with "the King of the Trident!" I dunno, I just love the idea of these two very different kingdoms that honestly don't even have that much in common (besides a border and a monarch) uniting into one realm, not out of conquest or scheming or backstabbing but because they became true brothers-in-arms. They just genuinely had eachothers' backs. Which is of course why gurm had to destroy it.If Robb had lived and won the war, I wonder how his kingdom might have developed in the long run. It could be quite an interesting place.
Winds will be announced within two weeksSource: I can feel it in my bones squatted down for my morning shit
>>24850418King Orys II
If Matthew was a deciple of Jesus, why did he feel the need to copy Mark's account verbatim instead of telling his own account?
>>24849577So he knew Paul personally and deeply but never once asked if he met THE BROTHER OF JESUS?>Notice that Ancient people did not see any problem with that. You don't have opponents like Celsus or early Christians being concerned about this.We don't have their own writings though, we only have some quotations of them in christian apologetics. This is like using a youtuber drama reaaction channel as your source instead of the nonexistent original, we don't know what all of the arguments were, only some of the ones that Christians were comfortable quoting to rebuke
>>24849484https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=6860ad3c88e36This video must've been made by Merlin Monroe's secretary. I know this bcuz uuuhhhhh I could've said Cleopatra, that would've been more impressive
>>24851218Nobody in the thread is making the argument you're mocking albeit
>>24851011>So he knew Paul personally and deeply but never once asked if he met THE BROTHER OF JESUS?Relative, not brother. And what in the heck are you talking about? Where did Luke say Paul didn't meet James?>We don't have their own writings though, we only have some quotations of them in christian apologetics. This is like using a youtuber drama reaaction channel as your source instead of the nonexistent original, we don't know what all of the arguments were, only some of the ones that Christians were comfortable quoting to rebuk If Christians didn't "rebuk" the arguments their opponents considered the strongest, their opponents would just push harder on them. Celsus, the ancient Rabbis, etc were not idiots. If they sensed weakness, they would go at it. But they didn't really, since the Gospels were writing in the convention of Greco Roman biographies.In a "meta" kind of argument, if the Gospels were written in the way modern academics say they would, with anonymous communities fixing the texts and thinking like 19th century German Historians... they would likely clean up this kind of thing.
>>24852189>Relative, not brother.Wrong.Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3
Why hasn't he won the big one yet /lit/? He's more than deserving.
>>24849253both Murakamis suck though. what a cursed surname
>>24848588Not the same anon, but he's just comfy. And it's ok to be comfy.
>>24842420>He's more than deserving>Russians holding the line against NATO>China advancing without ceding an inch to liberalism.>America embroiled in dysfunctional, postmodern Caesarism >only 30 years after history "ended"The only thing fukyomama is deserving of is a one-way plane ride back to nipstan.
>>24851724Nani
>>24852221Arr rook same
two sentence horror
>>24845204>"I shouldn't be that hard"Anon wins two sentence horror thread with one sentence on pure accident. Sasuga anon.
>>24844989"I'm left wing," says your son.
>>24845518zoomers shit and piss themselves when they see this
>>24844989It was the summer after his last year of high school. He sent an application to clean up his favourite website.
>>24852231>>24852209Wait>- I'm left wing, dad. >- Hearing this shouldn't make me this hard. There. Perfection~
A thread for writing literary fiction, non-fiction, and other genres, and discussion of literary craft. Rococo editionPrevious: n/aBe polite and cordial. Do not feed the trolls. Share your work, but retain some grace and limit yourself. Do not spam.Follow thread prompts and discuss these exercises to enrich our understanding of the craft. Thread prompt:Write a scene where a small, ordinary object (a ticket stub, dented spoon, chipped mug) reveals a secret about the narrator. Begin in medias res with a sensory detail. End with a line that reframes the object’s meaning.
absolutely riveting feedback
>>24851823Flows better with the extra comma i-m-o
>>24851531a lot of people get this close to having a significant experience/takeaway only for it to end up as pessimism and or hatred. and they live like this, fully aware of the consequences, deeming horrible things as "necessary evils", justifying their vile inconsiderate extremist behaviour towards the entire world including themselves.i appreciate the ambiguity in this brother. theres no room for nuance in the world for most people, and that's a shame.
>>24851932>i appreciate the ambiguityPeople only appreciate ambiguity in poetry because it's either short or they expect to be left with a feeling, not an answer.
>>24852223>t. John Wayne Ambiguity is great
Women seem to be the predominant readers and it seems predominantly porn for them. If men read books it's predominantly long-running sci-fi series. I've had success and interest in readership but it's not sci-fi (Epic fantasy) and my most success wasn't even a proper novel but a comic. The problem is comics are pretty much dead as well for English speaking countries. Am I wrong or do I need to start prioritizing different countries?
>>24850098>>24850138>>24850209The point of the article is that the actual difference in readership between men and woman is marginal. Yes, there has always been a trend towards woman reading more fiction. But the only real peer reviewed survey showed that there is only a 10% difference between the two. This small difference doesn't warrant the outrage or the worried conversations that have sprung up around it. And the reason we have just accepted this view is because people desperately need a scapegoat to blame the misfortunes of the world on and this is just one of many.>Of course the people who voted Trump into power don't read! Of course the people who made Andrew Tate popular at one point don't read! Of course the group I percieve as sexist are un-empathetic and therefore non-readers! Evidence be damned! I'll believe it anyway!
>>24850138>These are not books which reflect the zeitgeist, but rather the intellectual preoccupations of academia.I've made this exact same point over and over, particularly in regards to what Americans consider their classics. Moby Dick is the epitome of this - an autistic intellectual's fixation hated by everyone who isn't also an autistic intellectual.
>>24850738Russia is able to invade Ukraine because there isn't a truly globalist system anymore. And the idea that defending your country from an expansionist petrostate is "synthetic" is an amazingly vapid take. Russia isn't some emancipator against degeneracy, it's a civic nationalist hub of chiId trafficking with the highest rate of HIV in Europe that massively lacks proper toilets and has a higher divorce rate than the West
>>24851098The only reason Russia dislikes NATO is because it dissuades them from invading smaller countries they border. That's the only "concern" they have.
>>24850073
Post your own work and critique others.
>>24851245Free verse is fine. The problem is poets who ONLY read or write free verse (i.e., ~95% of published contemporary poets). It's a "you have to know the rules before you break them" sort of situation.
>>24851266free verse is not fine.
>>24851326It is. Every English translation of the Book of Psalms is in free verse. Whitman is mostly in free verse. Much of Eliot and Pound is in free verse. These are some of the greatest works of poetry in the English language.
Those words don't reach through to meFoolish I look like I speak no english
It cradles joy and ache, still burning bright,as Friday’s drums call lightning through the room.We moved from house to club, the people’s fire,two mirrors facing, each becoming one.Bodies shimmered like saints undone by rhythm,and time remembered, trembling through the floor:“Dance while you can,” the night told every soul.
>What type of university did you attend?>What era?>What did you learn? How do you feel about your education now?I did an English Lit degree at the premier university in my country (hah!). The Australian National University. I was told it was the best, hardest to get into, highest ranked, etc. Turns out that just meant the place had more postgrads than undergrounds, was predominantly research oriented and got a shittonne of citations. Doubt it made it better than half the other universities in Aus. Was a helluva place though, beautiful, bright and stimulating.My era - thank fuck! - was pre-woke. We still had blue hairs screeching but there were approximately zero mentions of critical race theory, gender theory, grievance studies or the like. 20-ish years ago.My fading memory of the curriculum, in order of importance/volume:- poets, poems and poetry- shakespeare, milton, chaucer, donne, wordsworth, blake, probably a few others i'm forgetting- literary movements (medieval through to modernism with the most time spent on romanticism - weirdly, don't think we did any postmodernism let alone postcolonial)Another fun fact, we studied a shitload of australian authors, like books of poetry by former anu students, but not a single American work. Oh wait, no, Emily Dickinson was big and T.S. Eliot if you still count him as American. But I only learned about what Americans consider 'the classics' years after - Melville, Hemingway et al. Funny to think how invisible all that was to us back then.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24852013fuck Australia. I need to get out of here and move to another country, preferably one with more culture than a pot of yoghurt.
>>24852013>>24852198>>24852200Have either of you fellas seen Danger 5?
>>24852013What are you workings as now?
>>24852013Did an English Degree at an East Coast elite school, with a focus on early modern Lit and a minor in European History. Loved it, taught me to formally express my thoughts and how to find a credible premise for a claim. Sadly only the soft skills, people skills of expression and communication not the hard stem type to get instant great employment but doing ok now. I found that universities are not infested with woke morons, only certain majors are. Anything political having to do with borders and migration, anything historical having to do with the ethnic studies of a people or gender, def have "wrongthink" and you will be ostracized if you think the law should exist in some capacity beyond punishing rapists and corrupt cops. overall great experience but wish I had mixed with a hard skill to make money immediately, only academia and law are built for the humanities.
>/lit/>educationlmao
so now that philosophy has been going for a couple thousand years, what is their conclusion? have they've even gotten anywhere? i suspect it's all a meme.
Death, consciousness, free will, meaning, and the fundamental nature of existence remain complete mysteries despite millennia of inquiry.We are characters in a story trying to understand the author, building elaborate explanatory systems that never actually solve the enigma of why anything exists at all.
