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Will my ketamine addiction make me a better writer?
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>>24947800
I had a heroin habit in my youth but i've been clean 25 years and i've written three books and started a literary movement.
Drugs are not the answer my dude, you need your brain functioning at its highest possible level.
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>>24947800

I spent half my life as an alcoholic. I still kind of am, but quit liquor.

I was always a writer, and did it professionally, but once I cut down on the booze I could actually finish things, and got novels completed.

Drugs aren’t the reason creatives are creative, drugs are how crazy people self-medicate, and being crazy is what makes them creative.
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Thanks for reminding me the only white people i talk to on this site are junkies
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>>24947800
Drugs are not a substitute for creativity, talent, or practice.
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>>24947808
k feels nothing like an opiate

>>24947800
experimenting with drugs to come up with ideas is cool, but don't get addicted, and put that shit aside for when it's time to work.

>>24948022
>Drugs aren’t the reason creatives are creative
most people don't want to admit this, especially people in recovery, but for me, drugs absolutely aided creativity. I'm not a writer though, I'm a musician. I don't really do drugs anymore because I'm an adult with a job and responsibilities, but occasionally I'll smoke weed and I immediately have endless ideas, it's such an unfair cheat code to being creative for me. Additionally, opiates have done a lot for my appreciation of certain types of music, but of course I won't encourage anybody to ever try opiates. Acid obviously is the top player for consuming media and creating.

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Do Tolkiendrones realize that fantasy existed before Lord of the Rings and that it suffered greatly from Big Fat Fantasy and other sloppy derivatives that grew like viruses from Tolkien's wen?
https://voca.ro/1Rwc7lMX0hfT
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>>24947249
Almost nothing you wrote is true:
Isekai are not fairy tales, properly speaking.
Fairy tales are neither safe nor meaningless.
Wish fulfillment is a fundamental part of all story telling.
The reason "slop" is appealing to so many men (because that's who we're really complaining about here) is that it is usually entertaining and unapoligetically so. Whereas so much of the industry-produced garbage these days is full of navel-gazing insincere losers with inferiority complexes, slop writers are sincerely just writing what they enjoy, often with almost no self-consciousness at all. The slop writer is the happy man dancing with the pretty girls unconcerned if he looks a little goofy and the industry authors are the weird autist seething in the corner too uncomfortable in their own skin to even imagine having fun.
The reason why people love Tolkien so much is because he had all that sincerity and easy, comfortable joy; but he also combined it with an intellect and command of language that towered above any of these modern, over-educated, suicidal twats.
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>>24939820
just write better, just write a better world
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>>24947885
>lovecraft slop
Lmao
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>>24948167
That's the point tho, worldbuilding is something tolkien introduced. A fantasy detatched from tolkien's tropes would need no worldbuilding either, meaning it would have to return to the format of old fables where fantastical creatures and lands exist in the same world as ours.
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>>24948156
>I am le gigachad and you are le crying wojak, that's why I write walls of text everytime someone criticizes my slop
Get real

The dregs of society pool together like the dirty puddles they tromp. Dublin is their city. Dubh Linn. Black Pool. The name evokes images of heroin rolling on foil. The Spire watches high over O'Connell Street, a lantern above the oily slick roads, taxis and buses rolling through them, like a needle penetrating the veiny patchwork streets.
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>>24946850
Dublin is owned by Afghan Bvlls while yt cucks do nothing
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>match with woman on dating app
>we both have literature as shared interests
>she says "oh what's your favorite genre??"
>"I'm more into the classics"
>"but what's your favorite genre? Do you like sci fi?
>"I like transcendentalist literature"
>"oh ok"

Why do they ask
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>>24947357
>pretends to be to niche for normies to understand
>uses dating apps
Lmao
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>>24948099
I'm on /lit/ because I read books for 3 - 4 hours a day. It's how I spend my pleasure time after work. I don't even own a TV or laptop. Only my smartphone that I need for work. My SO also spends her time reading.

I like /lit/ being anonymous and people being able to truly speak their minds. This place isn't supposed to be a hugbox for losers. I don't have a lot of friends but the ones I have are extremely close and high quality, as things should be.
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>>24948070
Please do not do this anons
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>>24948091
> Also delete your social media app. It's 2025. That shit is outdated. All my female friends say dating apps are for losers that can't get laid without apps
there is no greater red flag to modern young women than not having social media presence
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>>24947871
>came to these identical conclusion in taste by "being themselves".
Yes, the appeal of all those things is obvious and their popularity will follow a normal distribution.
>all these people came the identical conclusion that they like food!?
Yes.

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I am reading deleuze’s what is philosophy at the moment and the part about the creation of concepts, the analysis of their components and the resulting impossibility of discourse in philosophy is blowing my mind. The discourse becomes impossible or at least fruitless because the terms and concepts discussed, although homophones, aren’t comparable because they’re on different planes of thought and have different components. So we think we are speaking about the same things, while only confusing ourselves and wasting our time.
I mean the idea is almost trivial, while the execution and explanation is outstanding.
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>>24946235
It’s applicable to most things, I guess. But in philosophy it explains why there’s is no common ground like in the sciences, a set of basic principles everyone can agree on.
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>>24946235
It's an interesting take, it frequently appears to pull from GS, Twighlight of the Idols, and maybe a few other odd parts where you try to move as quickly as possible, think as slow as possible, and sift even slower. The results appear just as varied. You could have 2 guys who tie their left hands together and play stickpin refutation, a sumo match, or just one guy trying to navigate a minefield. The key part for some of this for Nietzsche at least is that the concept is already there so instead of finding a potentiality you basically look for how actual but there isn't really a limit on this. Nietzsche claimed it could isolate specific instincts, you get a theoretical edge for the successive attempts.
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how the frick do your formulate any concepts in ur mind.then
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>>24947693
It says that philosophy is basically just creating concepts, but once they’re established the discussion between philosophical school becomes impossible. Take e.g. a platonist and a Kantian: these two won’t be able to meaningfully discuss the concept of time, because the ancient understanding of time and the transcendental understanding of time are so different, that they can’t possibly talk about the same concept with the same components (which would make a discussion possible).
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I am familiar with it. I think it's wrong because all concepts are born from contact with the same world, which includes real forms and essences. Of course, Deleuze is extremely committed to the nominalism/individualism of his era, and above all the voluntarist conception of freedom as power (the ghost of the Reformation on almost all modern thought), so we won't agree here. But suffice to say, if there are really such things as cats, dogs, trees, etc. as organic wholes (being, plural) and "whatever is in the intellect is first in the senses" then it seems obvious to me concepts can find common ground.

Actually, what undermines communication is a lack of faith in the transcendent and ecstatic powers of reason and the misology that comes from saying "reason doesn't apply here, or there, etc., and thus I will use reason only instrumentally, as a path to power." That is how reason is ruined. Everything is reduced to power relations. But the ontologies of violence whereby truth, form, and telos are themselves always violence because freedom is just potency (freedom from reality you might say) make this slide into instrumental misology inevitable because they render reason sterile.

This isn't some awful discovery of modernity thought. The ancients say the same thing about what instrumental rationality driven by the passions (or when the will becomes its own object, the voluntaristic notion of freedom as power) is all over the ancients. It's a major theme right up to Dante, or even in Milton's Satan (although there God has already begun to drift in this direction).

My ultimate conclusion then is not that there is no common ground but that Deleuze is just part of a much older pathology stretching back to the Sophists. But his particular brand is really a Reformation pathology that "post" modernism has never left behind because it very much never transcended modernity, but keeps its core assumptions.

One can disrupt one's understanding of the Great Chain of Being, the great Ladder of Ascent by becoming infatuated with a mere rung on the Ladder and absolutizing it. But this is simply a misordering of the soul.

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This is horrifying. Is there a better way than Christianity to transcend this?

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Any recc.s for non-fiction books that aren't just a biography, or a dull reference/history of x book?

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The deepest thinker on the left (Hegel scholar) Vs the deepest thinker on the right (Nietzsche scholar)... A debate between these two would be priceless
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>>24945076
Jewish control of major financial, entertainment, and NGO institutions. They're important because the people who ACTUALLY run the world view them in high esteem.
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>>24943914
>quoting a genreslop author as an authority
kek
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>>24942307
Kek
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>>24938370
>Displacing native workers is actually le based you goys
Fucking disgusting, kill yourself posthaste

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Erich Heckel edition
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>>24948140
Do you ever review them just in case you forgot a word or so?
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>>24948145
Back when I took things a bit more seriously, once I finished the book, I would write some kind of essay or even fiction story using all of the words, and it was a very effective way of committing them to memory. The most effective, even. Ever since I stopped doing that, I only remember about ~40% of the words, meaning I don't have to look them up again the next time I counter them.

I should start doing that again. Thanks for the reminder.
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>>24948140
>fill up with Henry Miller's books, haha, so many obscure words
That's bad writing
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>>24948165
Sounds like a tiring sedulous nisus for recondite knowledge, offending to the ears of people with lesser ambitions...
Better to stay in the glib languorous state of sequacious comfort passive consumption offers, I say!
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>>24947951
I tell her only whores talk to men they don't know. Then I leave without ordering.

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Is as shitty as every other on
this lame ass, fucking has
been site.
Lol.
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Chinese "people " should be fed to those crocs alive
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>>24948151
Someone's clitty is leaking kek

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Is this a good book to start studying informal logic? What exactly should I expect?
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>>24948097
this is the table of contents
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here's another open access book

https://cwi.pressbooks.pub/revisedfundamentalmethodsoflogic/front-matter/table-of-contents/
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The Art of Logical Thinking
by William Walker Atkinson

https://archive.org/details/artoflogicalthin00atki
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Logic Gallery, Aristotle to the Present
by David Marans

https://www.e-booksdirectory.com/details.php?ebook=8793
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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMpofmkxKHBJfta_JzekLbWGHUSLUJoLt

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are there any biographical books about chronically depressed historical figures that went on to accomplish anything?
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>>24947934
>depressed man overcomes suffering and mental illness by participating in a social justice movement
holy peak, german history is THIS good?!?!?
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>>24947940
>mental illness
physical disability*
i had one job.
fml.
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>>24947934
>kills himself
not the kind of person i'm looking for
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>>24947936
i will check out their life stories, thank you
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Nobody who's depressed accomplishes anything.

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Redpill me on Dr. William Pierce. Are his works worth reading?
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here's what i thought to be a cogent take on the story. personally, i find it telling that in pierce's ideal world, two whole continents are rendered uninhabitable. i was told this was the work that radicalized timothy mcveigh. i doubt it. it's just not good.
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>>24941203
William Pierce is shit. read Klassen instead.
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>>24941203
no
>>24942542
rockwell's problem was that he was a clown, and so when he attracted followers what they built was a circus
post-WW2 american "white nationalist" thought is a totally worthless desert full of dysgenic retards. there's nothing of value there you didn't already read on /pol/ if you were there prior to 2016. it took people who weren't part of that scene reinventing the few good ideas from scratch in order to make anything useful out of it (and even that is now in the process of rotting, because even though racism is in major ways correct, it attracts dysgenic retards like flies to shit).
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>>24948089
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>>24948133
no, Ben Klassen the real estate salesman.

Sapient Species, Races, and Miscellaneous Sapients Edition

FAQ:
>What is worldbuilding?
Worldbuilding is the process of creating entire fictional worlds from scratch, all while considering the logistics of these worlds to make them as believable as possible. Worldbuilding asks questions about the setting of a world, and then answers them, often in great detail. Most people use it as a means of creating a setting or the scenery for a story.
>"Isn't there a Worldbuilding general in >>>/tg/ already?"
Yes, there is. However, that general is focused on the creation of fictional worlds for the intended purpose of playing TTRPG campaigns. Here you can discuss worldbuilding projects that are not meant to be used for a roleplaying setting, but for novels, videogames, or any other kind of creative project.
>"Can I discuss the setting of my campaign here, though?"
If you want to, but it would probably be better to discuss it on >>>/tg/ . We don't allow the discussion of TTRPG mechanics, however. If you want to discuss stats or which D&D edition is best, this is not the place.
>"Can I talk about an existing fictional setting that is not mine?"
Yes, of course you can!
>"Does worldbuilding need to be about fantasy and elves?"
Worldbuilding, as already stated above, and contrary to what many believe, does not inherently imply blatantly copying Tolkien. In fact, there are many science-fiction setting out there, and even entire alternative history settings which do not possess supernatural elements at all. Any kind of science fiction book has an implied setting at least, which involves a certain degree of worldbuilding put into it.

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I can't even imagine a future where the United States could have a peer opponent that could give them a real fight.

Rome had Persia, Britain had France and then Germany, Athens had Persia, but who could be the weaker but close enough enemy that could let America show off?
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>Plan on a low fantasy setting with the big theme being a war breaking out between humans that are roughly on a late 1800s industrializing tech level and a species of intelligent flight capable humanoids with some similar attributes to birds of prey
>The big theme is the difference between a species which had its culture formed through a dexterous hand and horizontal expansion vs. capable wings and vertical movement
>There's no other sapient race and all the diversity will be done through several human powers and birdfolk factions

So far there are a few roadblocks in this I'm not yet sure how to overcome:

>Don't make this Pandora people vs. technological humanity
>How do I make neither humans nor birdfolk too strong?
>What do birdfolk feast on? They lend themselves to nomadism, do they have some sort of pastoral society?
>What do they do with the sick, injured or disabled that cannot fly anymore? They're dead weight
>How do I properly make birdfolk territorial without accidently steering into "Proud, arrogant elves" territory?
>Why didn't humans and birdfolk clash before, and why didn't the birdfolk lose in constant civil wars given their nomadic structure?
>How close to real life humanity can we pattern this before it becomes a turn of the century war with birds?
>What would cause the war to break out in the first place?


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>>24945851
>If I have one principle for my own world, it's that I'll never make a DnD style magic system.
Why precisely is that? And what would you recommend instead to someone looking to make their own system?
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>>24947305
Because I hate videogame based fantasy. It doesn't feel magical to me.

The right way to use magic is simply to make it something completely incomprehensible by rational logic, but eminently logical if you understand its deeper philosophical or narrative themes.

A good example of the latter would be how Victorian fantasy writers wrote magic as more or less a means to run thought experiments.
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>muh soft magic retard
I wish people actually fucking knew what the hard vs soft magic distinction was actually about

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TOTAL NRX VICTORY
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if i were an american, i would use my legal right to form an armed militia to stamp out the tyranny that currently exists
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>>24948031
it exists in your country and you're not doing anything about it
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>>24948029
If there was any doubts remaining to be entertained, Chomsky is more and more looking like a full blown controlled opposition kid diddler or pedo ally. This article goes a long way to rip him a second asshole while exposing the fact that the western elite is a conspiratorial cabal start to finish, a truth which actual radical commie Parenti tried to scream from the roof tops only to fall on deaf ears.

https://www.greanvillepost.com/2020/06/03/the-mainstream-and-the-margins-noam-chomsky-vs-michael-parenti/
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>>24948029
Bonding over their mutual love of BBC.


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