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My twenties were wasted in a haze of gaming and gooning. I recently had kids so I stopped doing those things and started reading instead. The brain fog slowly cleared and I realized the path that I want to take and the life I want to lead, but now it's unattainable because of my familial responsibilities.
>What did you expect?
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>>25214946
Sorry to hear that, man. But you have a family. That's still an adventure.
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If you find yourself on a real adventure, something has gone catastrophically wrong.

I'll stick to curated experiences unless something so spectacular comes along that I have to say yes to, and even then I'll be cursing the whole time in my head, I'm sure.
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>>25215068
An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is only an adventure wrongly considered. - G. K. Chesterton
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>>25215075
An adventure is only an inconvenience (when) rightly considered. An inconvenience is only an adventure (when) wrongly considered. - Me

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Why was every single book they made us read in school the single most bland, uninteresting piece of dogshit literature known to man?

Nobody would have willingly chosen to read Tangerine or The Outsiders or Ender's Game or Hatchet or Catcher in the Rye or The Giver of their own accord ever. It was all absolute fucking dogshit.

Why didn't schools make good books part of their curriculum? Are they insane? I did read Childhoods End years later by myself and enjoy it however admittedly.
>B-but Enders GAYME!!
You haven't read SHIT since your formative years and it fucking shows. You make me fucking SICK.
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Liked enough to reread after HS: A tale of two cities, The Martian chronicles, Macbeth

Liked but not enough to reread; The Great Gatsby, Julius Caesar, Romeo and Juliet

Disliked: To kill a mockingbird, A death in the family, A separate peace, Death of a salesman

Could not finish: Tess of the Derbervilles, The scarlet letter

Managed to avoid: Catcher in the Rye, Brave new world, 1984, Animal Farm, Lord of the flies
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>>25210832
Ha. I loved my strong education in literature and I was a book nerd that hung out in the school library and my local public library. I love literature and I've never heard of these three
>1. Tangerine
>2. Hatchet
>3. The Giver

>Ender's Game
This name vaguely rings a bell, could be a video game or movie for as vague it is to me

>The Outsiders
Read this one my own and liked it. Was like a sophomore in high school and I saw it when looking through one of my younger brother's book shelves. Later in college we did have a friend they nicknamed after one of the characters but I had forgotten the book so much by then I didn't remember him much from the book.

>Catcher in the Rye
This one sucks. If I was a literature teacher my stance would be to tell the class about it, briefly go over the various aspects of why it was considered literarily significant then tell them they can read that on their own if they want and not have to worry about getting graded on it! If they ask for extra credit I would say no to Catcher but I would give them extra credit for the Outsiders. While the literary value is weak I like the "peek at historical culture" merit of the Outsiders
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>>25213484
Brave New World isn't bad at all. One of the few good pieces of dystopian fiction. I'd check it out if I were you.
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>>25213484
Martian Chronicles is great. 1984 is also good.
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>>25210832
Because school is oriented to the median and increasingly to the low end (no tard left behind). They need accessible books and the smart kids can go to private school if they want more. Or do what all poor kids do and live in the library.

Now in fairness the other half of the problem isn’t title selection but presentation. Shakespeare is actually good and kids learn to hate it or reach for the movie version.
Most of us had at least one teacher in some subject that ignited real passion for a topic based on their own enthusiasm and presentation. It’s possible to make all the subjects interesting.

post and talk about your favorites from the junior fiction shelf from your library, pic related was this for me. its like my hero academia six years before it was even a thing, but a year after the movie sky high.
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>>25213424
>>David Lubar
the weenie books are nice, got gifted the campfire weenies one
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>>25208015
I have first two books (in translation). Villain of the second one was rather weird (and "somebody resisting timestop somewhere far in space" had felt really unisual). I will eventually reread all of them in the original language.
Covers are cool too, our edition also had them.
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One of examples of our local literature would be Kir Bulychhov with his "Alisa Seleznyova" books - a soviet sci-fi for children, teens and (in spin-offs) adults.
Bulychyov also has "Guslyar" short stories collection - kind of a light satire on soviet life in the first set and on USSR-to-Russia transition period including early 90's in the second one.
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>>25215077
>Covers are cool too, our edition also had them.
Holographic textured covers are always a plus in kids books.

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>>25214840
All of this has happened before. Russia is returning to a normal albeit degenerative process in its history, and it is proceeding steadily, even ahead of schedule. For one, the Supreme Orc Commander needs bood, lest the people suspect that all the cards have been won, which will cause them to fall into melancholy. That cannot be permitted, for if Russians become melancholic, they will begin to seek entertainment of a dangerous nature. Therefore, the Kremlin and the State Duma need to focus and establish uniform standards for state cretinism. And strictly define its upper and lower limits. Any violation of these limits must be strictly prohibited, otherwise Russia will collapse far earlier than planned.

An important aspect is redistribution of property, so what was once considered the preserve of a select few becomes public property. This now means schizophrenia is now within easy reach of any Russian, who are collectively and inexorably accelerating towards total dementia. Priests will be attacked by demons of masturbation, which will wear them down completely, draining them of strength. The Supreme Orc Commander will combine sadism with a dash of dishonesty, cowardice, and a vile Dostoevskyite sensibility. They will attach motors and propellers to their newborn daughters, strap them with TNT, and mixing the babies with a swarm of other drones, send them to ram into more Ukrainian high-raise buildings. The Supreme Orc Commander will be touched and give the parents medals.
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>>25214686
Prison doesn't sound so bad if you can avoid the niggers.
>free food
>free housing
>free healthcare
>free gym membership
>lots of free time for reading
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>>25214686
>behave like a young lady
>go to prison
Based.
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>>25214686
OP got detained for performing homosexuality
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>>25214966
>free anal

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Why aren't you reading wuxia? Start reading. There aren't physical copies of them yet but you can find them on the internet.
Especially Jin Yong. Don't mistake it for xianxia, those modern light web novel cultivation wankery slop.
You're genuinely missing out if you aren't.

Wuxia: Martial art, sword art, internal energy, brotherhood, chivalry, romance.
Xianxia: Immortals, deities, cultivation, lone wolf, sigma male, doesn't afraid of anything, no romance.

Blatantly shilling my passion cause something compels me to.
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>>25211514
If Huang is rong, I don't want to be right.
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>>25213273
5 pages
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>>25211559
Can someone explain this to me? Is Danmei Xianxia an author? A genre?
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>>25214430
Danmei is yaoi and xianxia is Chinese epic fantasy
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>>25214430
It means gay fantasy.

>The first consideration that influences our choice and feelings is age. . . .
>The second consideration is that of health: a severe illness may alarm us for the time being, but an illness of a chronic nature or even cachexy frightens us away, because it would be transmitted.
>The third consideration is the skeleton, since it is the foundation of the type of the species. Next to old age and disease, nothing disgusts us so much as a deformed shape; even the most beautiful face cannot make amends for it — in fact, the ugliest face combined with a well-grown shape is infinitely preferable. Moreover, we are most keenly sensible of every malformation of the skeleton; as, for instance, a stunted, short-legged form, and the like, or a limping gait when it is not the result of some extraneous accident: while a conspicuously beautiful figure compensates for every defect. It delights us. Further, the great importance which is attached to small feet! This is because the size of the foot is an essential characteristic of the species, for no animal has the tarsus and metatarsus combined so small as man; hence the uprightness of his gait: he is a plantigrade. And Jesus Sirach has said (1) (according to the improved translation by Kraus), “A woman that is well grown and has beautiful feet is like pillars of gold in sockets of silver.” The teeth, too, are important, because they are essential for nourishment, and quite peculiarly hereditary.
>The fourth consideration is a certain plumpness, in other words, a superabundance of the vegetative function, plasticity. . . . Hence excessive thinness strikingly repels us. . . . The last consideration that influences us is a beautiful face. Here, too, the bone parts are taken into account before everything else. So that almost everything depends on a beautiful nose, while a short retroussé one will mar all. A slight upward or downward turn of the nose has often determined the life’s happiness of a great many maidens; and justly so, for the type of the species is at stake.
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>>25214864
Smug is what he does best, I love him for it. After reading Kant who’s harder to parse but is awfully kind to the reader in spite of that, as well as humble (as much as he can be, after all he’s still dogmatic), it’s refreshing.
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>>25214875
He is fun.

>Kant
Kant can be a cunt in the prolegomena too. He says that the people too dumb to recognize his novelty are too dumb to recognize any novelty and should stick yo the history of philosophy instead of philosophy.
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>>25214892
Ah, I think I recall that, I forgot about that, since CPR seems to have a somewhat cocky, but guiding tone. I feel he was directing that statement to his contemporary naysayers who didn’t agree with or “get” CPR.
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>>25214864
Just read his fourfold root online, it is not long and includes the material from his book on colors.

Schopensisters, I am still a learner, but I’m getting discouraged by how he relates the will and the intellect. How can I ‘merely think’ of something without willing to think? And how can I will something without knowing what it is? I just don’t know that this radical voluntarism is tenable. If the intellect is like an accident to will’s substance then how can it even be set against the will? You wouldn’t oppose your body qua mobile to your will, so how can Schoppie oppose intellect to it as he does? And how does psychic conflict work then? The will would be opposing itself.
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for me he is kinda funny in a chud way. he tries to larp as a buddhist but then threw an old lady down the stairs cause she was being noisy. he talks in some sort about an ego death but then he is really egotistic.

Has anyone read this? I asked ai to recommend me some books based on books i like (camus, waugh, hemmingway, fowles)
Has anyone read these without saying im some kind of brainless pseud:
Disgrace - J. M. Coetzee
A Heart So White - Javier Marías
The Unbearable Lightness of Being - Milan Kundera
Julian - Gore Vidal
Stoner - John Williams
Tender Is the Night - F. Scott Fitzgerald
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Bump
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>>25214973
Coetzee’s boring navel gazing novel. Read Waiting for the barbarians instead.
Vidal’s historical books are good and erudite. I personally liked Creation more.
Stoner we talk about all the time and Faulkner as well.
Never heard of Javier. Kundera is kind of an Oprahs book club pseud pick. Paulo Coelho type fartsniffer.
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>>25215067
>Paulo Coelho
I hated the alchemist a lot.
Thanks anon appreciate the help.

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AI is here, and studies prove that it writes better prose and poetry than humans, and humans prefer things written by AI.
AI is the perfect tool to break the pmcs. Those leftists who get 100k for writing a shitty essay every week will soon be begging for food on the streets. And we will laugh at them and throw feces at them and film their sorrow for our amusement.
Money spent on art is money wasted. With AI, "writers" will now be free to work the fields for minimum wage. They deserve nothing more.
Leftists had only one thing they did, "art" and AI has broken them. There has never been a leftist that has worked a day in their life and not become right wing. We need to destroy human made writing, that woke shit that infests.
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>>25214782
>studies prove
What studies? Colonoscopy?
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>>25214800
AI is legit the first thing I've really had a "lefty" opinion on something.
Weird how it's politicised also. I would kind of have expected it the other way round, because except for the twitter-art guys tending to be usually leftist, it makes "art" accessible to any moron who can type a proompt.
On the other hand you normally see the right taking a more meritocratic approach.

I'm sad now that crazies won't create truly SHITTY art in whatever crazy way they manage themselves, since AI now effectively guarantees a minimum quality and makes it just boring slop.
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>>25214782
>better prose and poetry
>better

what's 'better' about it? Is it more engaging? Do people 'like' it more?
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>AI age
>modern
Mindless assholes have been producing shit since the asshole was invented.
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>>25215051
Right. We don’t get the raw hate of an A Wyatt Man cartoon but Bubba and his 20 cracker trailer spawn can post their “I bypassed the filter and made Obummer at a bananer like a monkey” or “haha Indian shit rocket” AI gens on Facebook and shitter. People like Stonetoss start to seem like holders of the creative spark of Athens for being able to make a doodle when the slop avalanche comes.

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What exactly is "dialectic" as a theory of ontology? This is a reading group to learn just that

>The splitting of a single whole and the cognition of its contradictory parts (see the quotation from Philo on Heraclitus at the beginning of Section III, “On Cognition,” in Lasalle’s book on Heraclitus) is the essence (one of the “essentials,” one of the principal, if not the principal, characteristics or features) of dialectics. That is precisely how Hegel, too, puts the matter (Aristotle in his Metaphysics continually grapples with it and combats Heraclitus and Heraclitean ideas).

-Lenin, "On the Question of Dialectics"


>Space is, in general, pure quantity, no longer in its merely logical determination, but as an immediate and external being. Consequently, nature begins with quantity and not with quality, because its determination is not a primary abstract and immediate state like logical Being.

-Hegel, "The Philosophy of Nature"

>Contrary to metaphysics, dialectics holds that nature is not a state of rest and immobility, stagnation and immutability, but a state of continuous movement and change, of continuous renewal and development, where something is always arising and developing, and something always disintegrating and dying away.
-Stalin, "Dialectical and Historical Materialism"

>The fact is that no contradictory aspect can exist in isolation. Without its opposite aspect, each loses the condition for its existence. Just think, can any one contradictory aspect of a thing or of a concept in the human mind exist independently? Without life, there would be no death; without death, there would be no life. Without ‘above’, there would be no ‘below’, without ‘below’, there would be no ‘above’. Without misfortune, there would be no good fortune; without good fortune, there would be no misfortune. Without facility, there would be no difficulty; without difficulty, there would be no facility.

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>>25214473
no contradictory can exist in isolation as contradictory. no reason why it cant exist of itself.
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>>25214910
That isn't a postulate in dialectics. It is proven, Mao is just describing what is proven. Dialectics is a form of *process philosophy* (not as a postulate but a point of proof), which holds that all change is resolution of contradiction (not as a postulate but a point to prove).
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>>25214473
It’s a mistake to conflate Marxist dialectic and Hegelian dialectic, the two traditions are very different. Marx rejects Hegel in no uncertain terms and explains why he does so. Not to overstate things because of course Marx was deeply influenced by the Logic but still they are totally divergent in terms of what dialectic means (idealism vs materialism) and how it should be employed (a priori vs a posteriori to put it simply). Don’t be misled by pseudo intellectual Marxists who read Marx back into Hegel. Another thing - why does Hegel think ontology is purely dialectical? Why does he bracket the either/or into the realm of appearance? It isn’t enough to say ‘look, you can see it work.’ As Aristotle said of Platonic definition by division ‘at every step one can ask, “why?”’ What Hegel’s doing is strange, you need to be able to answer this if you want to do a group. Academic question though, no one will participate.
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>>25214940
>which holds that all change is resolution of contradiction
This is trivially true and it isn’t what Hegel was saying.
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>>25214473
> The fact is that no contradictory aspect can exist in isolation. Without its opposite aspect, each loses the condition for its existence. Just think, can any one contradictory aspect of a thing or of a concept in the human mind exist independently? Without life, there would be no death; without death, there would be no life. Without ‘above’, there would be no ‘below’, without ‘below’, there would be no ‘above’. Without misfortune, there would be no good fortune; without good fortune, there would be no misfortune. Without facility, there would be no difficulty; without difficulty, there would be no facility.
When I do x I am doing x, not y. If a thing is z it is z and not !z. The issue is that Hegel thinks this sort of thinking is secondary, but again why? And is it? None of your decisions are ‘dialectical’, they are always either/or. You have to step back from Hegel’s system and ask these basic questions then see how he would answer them to realize how retarded the whole thing is.

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What do you think of it?

planet earth

Planet Earth, my home, my place
A capricious anomaly in the sea of space
Planet Earth, are you just
Floating by, a cloud of dust
A minor globe about to bust
A piece of metal bound to rust
A speck of matter in a mindless void
A lonely spaceship, a large asteroid

Cold as a rock without a hue
Held together with a bit of glue

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>>25211615
a bit saccharine but nothing that strikes me as wholly offensive
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magical child: part 1

Once there was a child and he was free
Deep inside, he felt the laughter
The mirth and play of nature's glee
He was not troubled by thoughts of hereafter
Beauty, love was all he'd see

He knew his power was the power of God
He was so sure, they considered him odd
This power of innocence, of compassion, of light
Threatened the priests and created a fright
In endless ways they sought to dismantle
This mysterious force which they could not handle


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but the heart said no

They saw the poor living in cardboard shacks, so they knocked the shacks down and built projects. Huge blocks of cement and glass towered over asphalt parking lots. Somehow it wasn't much like home, even home in a shack. "What do you expect?" they asked impatiently. "You're too poor to live like us. Until you can do better for yourselves, you should be grateful, shouldn't you?"

The head said yes, but the heart said no.

They needed more electricity in the city, so they found a mountain stream to dam. As the waters rose, dead rabbits and deer floating by; baby birds too young to fly drowned in the nest while mother birds cried helplessly. "It's not a pretty sight," they said, "but now a million people can run their air conditioners all summer. That's more important than one mountain stream, isn't it?"

The head said yes, but the heart said no.

They saw oppression and terrorism in a far-off land, so they made war against it. Bombs reduced the country to rubble. Its population cowered in fear, and every day more villagers were buried in rough wooden coffins. "You have to be prepared to make sacrifices," they said. "If some innocent bystanders get hurt, isn't that just the price one must pay for peace?"

The head said yes, but the heart said no.

The years rolled by and they got old. Sitting in their comfortable houses, they took stock. "We've had a good life," they said, "and we did the right thing." Their children looked down and asked why poverty, pollution, and war were still unsolved. "You'll find out soon enough," they replied. "Human beings are weak and selfish. Despite our best efforts, these problems will never really end."

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>there are more trannies in the publishing industry than straight white men
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There are more retards on /lit/ than vengeful deities.

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Slopping Is Too Much Edition

Stubbed >>25203457

>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

>/wng/ authors.

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Would Anon's recommend writing out a 70-100k~ story before actually putting it out on RR or another website? It seems like a decent number of RR stories split chapters into section that are around the 2k-3k count, compared to LN's or even regular novels or books. Does writing the complete story, or at least, a book or two's worth, editing it, and then making a WN version to post in those constraints seem like a smart move, or, redundant instead?
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>>25214936
Strictly speaking you should have at least 20k words for the initial drop so that you can run an ad on day one. Then you want to post a chapter a day for the first thirty to sixty days depending on if/when you hit main RS. You may also want another 5-10 chapters to post on Patreon starting on day one, so between 10-20 chapters on day one, and then be prepared to write another chapter a day for the next two months. This is of course if you intend to make a real play to breakout and make money off your work.

And don't forget to set aside time and energy to do shoutout swaps, and keep doing it once your'e on RS. ESPECIALLY once you're on RS. It's a waste if you don't. Keeping up shoutout swaps is how you'll keep growing your fiction after RS, too. They're more effective than ads and don't cost money.

If you're not serious about playing the game then nah just write chapters when you want. Consistent posting will still get you an audience (small) even if you never run ads or actively shoutout swap.
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>>25214891
Just make mc a villain then he can fight law abiding authorities and their forces. They will have the reason to fight the mc and they will also use (mostly) common methods and power systems.
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>Goth Mommy, Bone Daddy

Finally, some quality literature in rising stars.
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>>25214926
>Well first of all antagonists should have a reason to oppose the protagonist's goals
Strictly speaking an antagonist doesn't have to oppose a protagonist. An antagonist is just a force that hinders a protagonist whether or not they are trying to do so or even capable of trying at all. Ostensibly an incompetent aide could even be an antagonist.

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I have an interracial fetish

Are there any works of literature that directly focus on interracial fetishization? Some preferably that don't involve black slavery, which is just overdone in this genre. The fetishization in question can either be on a meta level where it criticizes such fetishization, or where it plays it straight and the entire narrative is just an indulgence of that beautiful contrast.

As someone with such a fetish, I can clock when others have it. Many of the racialist writers of the 19th and 20th absolutely do sexualize those who they considered a threat.
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>>25214975
I don’t know but what an very cute jeet. Never thought I’d say those words in the same sentence. My post is ironic in the sense that I care more about the image than your post. Which is kinda similar to her post.
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>>25214975
We get it, you're a white woman
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Half-elves Fall in Love
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>>25214975
Try <pic attached>. A fictionalized Shakespeare autobiography, suggesting that the "Dark Lady" of the sonnets was a black or half-black London prostitute (or half-prostitute).

Probably it's not what you're after because it's actually good; probably AB's best novel. A decent attempt at W.S.'s inner monologue. Constant verbal invention that's the starting-point of stuff in the plays.


~


—Do you kiss in your country?

—We kiss not as you do. We have what is called de chium. It is done wid de nose.

—Show me.


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>>25214994
You mean a yellow woman

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Are there any still alive theologians with works worth reading besides David Bentley Hart?
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>>25214647
the last living puritan
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NT Wright
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>>25214620
You're welcome
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>>25213900
Yep
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>>25215012
Theologian? Hahaha

>is the greatest children's book ever written
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>>25211432
that one chapter, "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn".
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>>25214967
These are first-rate but perhaps hard to get hold of these days.
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>>25214967
Also this (with similar caveat re. availability).
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Pic related is a kids book written by Yasunari Kawabata of all people and it’s pretty good.
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>>25212979
>Winnie-the-Pooh

>>25211546
>Alice

There's room for everything. Apart from anything else, in terms of the difficulty of the language, chronologically, it surely goes Pooh —> Alice —> Wind.


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