Bakker being deep editionHere we discuss any kind of science fiction and fantasy.>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
>>25189146I don't wanna do discord for that because xmpp is more comfy and there's less moderation.
>>25189155Make the channel then. I command thee!
>>25188655>Books are too heavyWe know you're talking about your phone, actually.
>>25189158sffg@chat.xmpp.partyYou'll need a client like psi+ or Pidgin to join
any good? what would compare it to?
How many pages per day is a "good" reading pace? How fast does /lit/ get through books?
>>25188290Casual books and fiction I can read a few hundred pages a day. For something like Being and Time sometimes I don't get past half a page a day. Don't worry about it, and certainly don't worry about comparing with others. Just have fun and learn.
>>25188290I measure only time, since pages are too affected by difficulty. It took me two weeks to work through Mrs. Dalloway, but only a few days for Hyperion. I get 20-30 minutes each way on my commute and then try to read an extra 30 minutes on the weekend as well. I can finish most average non-slop 200-300 page novels every 2 weeks.Before I got my Ritalin prescription, I spent about 5 years really trying to make books work but despite putting in the time, I found it too hard to make noticeable consistent progress. I'd read an epic in a week then not read for months. I didn't know reading was actually fun until I got on drugs.
>>25188290try for a minimum of 40 pages a day. the secret to reading lots is to only read books you want to read. don't plod through some heavy tome because you feel obligated to.
You should read enough pages that it adds up over time but not so it becomes cumbersome. I set a goal of exactly 50 pages a day.
>>25188290Really depends on how good the book is.
>has this reputation of being a mind-bending psychedelic sci-fi odyssey>both Lynch and Jodorowsky tried their hand at making some kind of surrealist masterpiece>finally get around to reading the book>it's the driest thing ever written, mfw Villeneuve's movies actually captured the tone perfectly
>>25188740I unironically like David Lynch's adaptation over the modern films and I found the book way too fatalistic even though I agree with the general message. I also hate Zendaya and what Villeneuve did to Chani.
>>25188740>it's the driest thing everno shit idiot thats the whole point
>>25188749>wikislop browsers believe this constitutes plagiarism.Have you ever read any of the many Herbert interviews about Dune? He tells you upfront the influences of his book. If anything, he was ripping of Jung
>>25188943Kek
>>25188740GEOD mogs
So i have a friend who recently got into audiobooks and he keeps talking about this one and tries getting us into it but it just seems like slop to me,did anyone here read it and what do you think of it ? worth getting into ?
>>25187539of course it's sloptell him that you read for the same reason you go to the gym (you do go to the gym, don't you?)
same situation but actually tried itgigaslop
>>25188110>(you do go to the gym, don't you?)i have dumbbells and stuff and train at home 3 times a week,here gym membership is expensive and id rather do it in my own space.
>>25187539i read this thing in like 5 hours, and i thought it was AI generated or something. it's like the guy mashed together all the tropes he knew, added reddit tier humor and vulgarity.it's perfect for normies who don't like reading, which is why it's getting popular with the romantasy crowd
>>25187539I got over halfway through the first book and couldn't finish it. it's like a dumb action comedy movie in book format. just turn your brain off and enjoy. it wasn't for me, but that's fine.
Are there any science fiction stories about trying to create superhumanly competent/ubermench people, not through mechanical meddling of biology, but by orchestrating their lives on the pattern on some of history's most accomplished people? E.g. it seems like many great people in the past had traumatic childhoods, with loved ones dying early, being immersed in novel/foreign situations where the had to constantly think fast and adapt to survive.
>>25189165Dune but it isn't what you're imagining lolAlso>ubermench
>>25189165There are but it's called aristocrat autobiographies and it's not science fiction.
>>25189167Well I imagine something conspiratorial and questionable and traumatic.I suppose Dune does fit from what I know of it, in a way. Asimov has his "psychohistory" too though that's a much broader in scope.>ubermenschIt adequately communicates an idea, no?What term do you prefer for people on the Pareto edge who are capable of accomplishing magnitudes more than most of their supposed peers in any given field? "Genius" IMO doesn't really cut it. Drive, motivation, and the ability to synthesize multiple domains of life experience are as necessary if not more so than just raw intelligence.
>>25189165you mean like The Boys From Brazil?
>>25189165Frank Herbert's Dosadi Experiment
Would you recommend it?
>>25186976I support the mullahs sorely because Iranian diaspora are the most annoying people I've ever met. Even worse than Indian nationalists.
Can you two tonguing each other's anus fuck off to /pol/ perhaps
>>25188516How is there complete silence over the plight of Iranians? There’s a war against the country from the most powerful countries in the world with the intention of toppling the government. There has been nothing but hostility from the world against Iran since 1979. You couldn’t even dream of groups like Palestinians having an intervention in their favor >Palestinian and Israeilis can work on a two state solution without Hamas dictating them what to do.There is absolutely zero excuse for this kind of naivety in the current year. You have to be joking. There will never be a two state solution, Israel doesn’t want it and would rather just get rid of Gaza and West Bank, its leaders are openly confessing to desiring hegemony over the Middle East and want to expand their war machine to Syria, Turkey etc in the future.
>>25188554Israel is an ally of the west and subject to the west‘s humanism, if Hamas is not there and Israel continues flattening them out the west won’t accept this. Besides they’ve already proposed two state solutions to Palestine multiple times and every time Arabs rejected it. If the mullahs in Iran fall palestine will give PSA a chance. Lebaneese people have had enough of hezbollah and Iran and the lebaneese prime minister said the iranian diplomats are persona non grata and should fuck off. I want to see this in palestine.
>>25189223Lmao
Part 1 was kino. Parts 2 & 3 were meh.
Enjoyed the book but found out afterwards Miller killed himself so he was kind of full of shit.
>>25179181The only think that kept me reading past the lightbulb scene was inertia. Cute stuff, humanity rediscovering technology thought lost, beung put back on track to the golden age long thought lost. I don't like the cyclicality of history thing, very depressing. Humanity will just forever bomb itself into the stoneage... again and again, again and again.
>>25188307No it isn't you autistic retard. Also, Jews are the master race. >>25189201That's life, unfortunately. We climb upwards but lose something with every step we take.
>>25182079your boyfriend taught me to type that way. while he was giving me typing lessons, he kept talking about some idiot he was dating, but just when he was bored. Oh hey, that was you. my bad. anyways, your boyfriend taught me and he really doesn't like you. You're just that pathetic, anon.
>>25188247I mean the book had its moments and all. I remember it was interesting when the one priest noticed that the step stone had worn in the shape of a bell curve. but taken in total, it was just boring as you got to the end. I was expecting some big finish, but it just fizzled out.
This might be the last Aristotle topic that is still vexing to me, but how exactly does the Unmoved Mover work as a first final cause and/or a first efficient cause? So, I get that the final cause has to be prior to the efficient cause. But is the Unmoved Mover an efficient cause of anything? My problem is that in Metaphysics Lambda, the Unmoved Mover is not described as an efficient cause, but only as a final cause. Aristotle also affirms in Lambda that motion has to be eternal (IIRC comes from Physics VIII), which seems to imply that the universe has an infinite chain of efficient causes. So, you get this picture of there being two eternal principles: the Unmoved Mover, and the cosmos in motion. However, in Metaphysics Little Alpha, 994a, Aristotle argues precisely against the idea that you can have an infinite chain of even efficient causes. So, it seems like the idea that there are two coexisting eternal principles idea is wrong, since the cosmos cannot be the infinite chain of eternal causes that it appears to be. However, Aristotle does not fix the problem and call the Unmoved Mover an efficient cause at any point whatsoever. I am not sure how to rectify this. Any thoughts? I think the idea might be that "eternal things can be infinite sources, and since motion is eternal, there can be infinite efficient causes in a temporal sense", but this might be a copout.
>>25188381>>25188390No, I meant that if you were to perish, the various combinations of elements (earth fire water air) that once constituted your body would then determine the possibilities that your body could become later, perhaps as nutrients for trees and such.
>>25188381>>25188390Wait, why is this guy talking like this? I thought I was talking to the Aristotlechad who was against culture war bullshit and stuff and sticks to the text. My bad, not interested in what you're peddling. No student of the philosopher would think that matter and form are the same.Man these last 10 replies have been weird. Usually the identities of the posters stand out.
>>25188390So, to be an individual matter/receptivity is like being a trichromatic eye. Your capacity to know RGB landscape is your 'Form in potential in your soul'. Ergo though a colorblind eye and normal eye are equally 'non actual' have them see the same light and they would know it differently—this difference is the difference of their eternal souls.
>>25188404I'm both.>>25188407
>>25188409huh nigga??
>he writes in first person
>>25189214bugman
>>25189214
>>25189214I'm the first person ever
Consider this anons. The most popular women’s literature and the literature women enjoy the most is first person.
How the fuck does this get published?
>>25182101what a gay innuendo, just have buttsex already
>>25180847Okay, it's shit. But genuinely, how did it get published? Does it have some sort of globohomo propaganda message? Do his previous books? Or is it literally just because he's jewish that he got published?
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>>25180847How would you write a narrative based on the perspective of a nerd science teacher?Do you feel the same way when reading Catcher in the Rye?
>>25189203Third person so the book can harshly judge the retard.
>>25185982I enjoyed the play about Dugin
>>25185982So Gaviloski, do you plan on putting on a performance for these plays?
>>25188681Didn't he already?
>>25188681>>25189163t. didn't read book
>>25188019if you actually read it and this isnt just the author samefagging give us anons a review to know if its worth buying.
Do they count if you’re listening attentively?
>>25189187I'm sorry you feel that way but I have no obligation to participate in or be judged by whatever insecure game it is you wish to play with your own personal exploration of the written (or recited) word. Simplistic aphorisms like "No man is an island" don't make for compelling reasons why I should reduce myself to your level of rote, mechanical authoritarian thinking.You don't strike me as someone who's trying to carefully consider what he's read, you strike me as someone insecure who needs to have a scoring system so he can "prove" that he read it "better than" someone else. I don't have much respect for that sort of thinking.
>>25187269I believe listening to the book 100% via audio is not ideal for most books, but some stories may work.When I go for a run, a base run, no intervals or harder efforts, I like to listen to the book I'm currently reading, some books require more effort from me so I have to read the bits again, but some books are perfectly fine. The easiest book I've listened was Catcher in the Rye, the whole thing really feels like someone telling a story to you. Another one is Count of Monte Cristo, because the dude on librivox did a great job with all the different accents.
>>25189196If we all read and listen different ways, why do we bother arguing over the true interpretation? We inherently want to put forward the best interpretation, which is usually our own, but may be a patchwork of what others have said. I do concede you are right about how your personal experience of a text is your own, and no one really can tell you otherwise, but maybe you should think about how egocentric reading and listening to a text can be. You are limited by what jumps out to you and no one fully has an objective, static view of the text. Instead, they like what they like about it and ignore what they ignore and dislike what they dislike. Are you starting to see how everyone is interconnected in a web of difference and repetition in interpretation?
>>25189206If you want to have a conversation with someone about a book, have a conversation with him. If you don't, then don't. Making a priori decisions about who read it "better" because of the form you consumed it in doesn't accomplish anything beyond stroking your own ego, which suggests you're not interested so much in the conversation as you are the "game" you've devised and what your point tally says about you in relation to other people.>Are you starting to see how everyone is interconnected in a web of difference and repetition in interpretation?I'm starting to see you sound very insecure to me and need validation from others for your hobby. Sorry, the only thing I feel from your way of thinking is pity.
>>25189210Reading isn’t a hobby for me. It’s my snorkel to the universe, my divining wand for meaning. If that makes me pathetic, then so be it. Who needed the desert of the real anyway?
>Pynchonruined by Hollywood trendhoppers>DeLilloruined by schizophrenic wannabe podcasters>McCarthyruined by manosphere conservatardsit's time to get into Roth, anons
>>25187259>all of them are about jewsWho cares? It's like complaining Scorsese makes movies about Italians. Read American Pastoral, The Human Stain, Sabbath's Theater, you picked a bunch of his late books where he's ruminating on his childhood.
>>25187875i only started to get into lesser-known postmodernists in the past year or so. i snagged W&M on Amazon for decently cheap and i got three of his other novels but thats it
>>25188141The Italians have aesthetic and historic value.
>>25188131a less retarded op wouldve been beneficial here
>>25187872all four of them are probably circumcised
Dear Retards,What have you read that truly lifted your spirits, gave you hope?Let’s skip the obvious ones like the Bible.
>>25188477Fuck Hesse. Vonnegut was completely right. He's nothing more than Paulo Coelho with fake prestige. Read Sirens of Titan instead. Accept the universe as absurd and cruel. Find the space to recognize others and be recognize by them.
>>25188402Anything by Nietzsche. Beyond Good and Evil will save your mental state and make you say YES to life in its entirety and all that it entails. Also, Schopenhauer is pretty good.
>>25188402The Mind Illuminated because at the time my "dark place" was not being able to focus (which it helped with directly...) or act rationally (...and indirectly).I've found new reasons to feel like shit since then though, might need another handful of books. I need to improve my life and that's really hard.
>>25188402BotNS. I read it when I was 19 without thinking too deep about it but the ideas it implanted in my life flowered years later, after I had left then returned to Christianity.Also I read The Imitation of Christ when I'm freaking out from PTSD stuff, it helps me get out of my head.
between two fires
Thoughts on this book?>“A]fter having spoken to many hundreds of NDErs, if not more than a thousand (for I have lost track by now), I have long become aware that from the standpoint of NDErs themselves, there is generally no doubt that the end of physical life is not a dead end. They confidently assert that there is something more. It has been my role and privilege often to speak for the many NDErs who do not write books or give public talks, and in doing so, I have often tried, as accurately as possible, to reflect the views of those NDErs whom I have chosen to represent. In doing so, I have tried to speak in their voice so that they would be heard, not me. In this respect, the evidence from NDEs is, I believe, highly suggestive that some form of consciousness continues after death; the abundant NDE testimony I have heard and read convinces me, as it does most others, of that.3 (emphasis in original) ”
>>25189064I hope I don't piss anyone off and make them think I'm reducing every mode of experience down to a limited scientific process, I'm not. I still believe in gods and demons as well, just not the kind of demons situated in one theology or religion. It's produced by everyone's subjectivity, and the abstract mechanisms that aren't explainable of which are correlative to everyone's existence. That's where the more spiritual world comes from, and it doesn't make it any less real because there's a principle of representation within the way we experience everything. If we otherwise only functioned only under the spirit of science, there'd be less spirit at all. It would be depressing. The Christian god exists just as much as eastern reincarnation, they're both transcendental versions of experience that make themselves real so that we are still affected by it. Regardless of whether it's all in our heads or a man in the sky.
>>25189030my answer to OP applies to you here too>>25189064>>25189075
>>25188932Sounds like scoldy garbage. Easy skip.
>>25189070where's the flaw in my logic? Please point it out
>>25189030>And if so, why don't I remember it?Why should you? The world of multiplicity and separation would be rather messy if every microbe had vivid recollections of their infinite eons worth of past lives.
