[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / vm / vmg / vr / vrpg / vst / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k / s4s / vip] [cm / hm / lgbt / y] [3 / aco / adv / an / bant / biz / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / gd / hc / his / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / news / out / po / pol / pw / qst / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv / tv / vp / vt / wsg / wsr / x / xs] [Settings] [Search] [Mobile] [Home]
Board
Settings Mobile Home
/lit/ - Literature

Name
Spoiler?[]
Options
Subject
Comment
Verification
4chan Pass users can bypass this verification. [Learn More] [Login]
File[]
  • Please read the Rules and FAQ before posting.

08/21/20New boards added: /vrpg/, /vmg/, /vst/ and /vm/
05/04/17New trial board added: /bant/ - International/Random
10/04/16New board for 4chan Pass users: /vip/ - Very Important Posts
[Hide] [Show All]


[Advertise on 4chan]

[Catalog] [Archive]

File: IMG_5114.jpg (53 KB, 309x500)
53 KB
53 KB JPG
Other /latam/ reccomendations anons? I really loved this one, currently reading Bomarzo by Lainez as well
44 replies and 5 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25173472
Nezahualcoyotl is probably the best and most original poet in america, so wrong.
Juan Rulfo, Juan Jose Arreola, José Revueltas and Ibarguengoitia all contemporary novelists that lean on the indigenous side.
Carlos Monsivais and Octavio Paz are heavily indigenous too, first is a chronist and latter nobel prize essayist and poet.
Jorge Cuesta looks quite indian.
Anyways, you are retarded.
>>
>>25180314
Nezahualcoyotl is only original because the tradition he drew from was almost totally wiped out.
I've never been able to take Octavio Paz seriously after my faher told how and why he met him, back in the 70s. Just uncomfortable now.
>>
>>25173472
mestizos are white now?
>>
>>25180314
>Ibarguengoitia
>His father, Alejandro Ibargüengoitia Cumming (Basque + English)
>he studied in schools that belonged to the Marist Brothers (French Catholic influence)
>and was a boy scout (American globohomo imprint)
>he received a Rockefeller grant to study in New York City (more American globohomo)
>Married to Joy Laville (ummmh, indigenous? Ah! No, wait, Anglo influence strikes again!)
>They settled permanently in Paris in 1980 (...)
>Died in Madrid (Hispania!)
Dude, what indigenous side does he lean on?
>>
>>25180746
>Just uncomfortable now.
tell us the story anon

the walls of tyrosh edition

ASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page
Blog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/
Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/
So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/
Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/
SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdy
General search: http://searcherr.work/
TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chapters

old: >>25132678
202 replies and 42 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>grrm said he gave main plot points to the show (like Stannis burning Shireen)
So how will the books make it?

I've seen theories that because Azor Again had to sacrifice his wife to make the original Lightbringer, Stannis thinks he has to sacrifice Shireen. I've seen theories that once the Others begin to come south, Stannis feels he has to sacrifice Shireen to save the realm.
>>
>>25180635
Hopefully the book is taking so long (it was almost finished in 2019) because he's rewriting all that dumb shit.
>>
So how do you think Brandon Sanderson will finish the story?
>>
/grrm/ peaked in 2024
>>
>>25180790
Bran ascends to godhood and becomes God-Emperor of Westeros (so basically nothing changes from the show ending), but in the epilogue we'll see a character named Maester Hoid, with one of the most extensive maester chains you'll ever see in the story, leaving Westeros with a bag full of weirwood seeds and a dragon egg.

File: Chtorr.png (36 KB, 319x174)
36 KB
36 KB PNG
Chtorr edition

Here we discuss any kind of science fiction and fantasy.

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb

>Archive:
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
247 replies and 51 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25181194
Those are just four or five guys spamming this board. Nobody cares whether you read fantasy or sci-fi, either in real life or on most of the internet. In fact you're more likely to be seen as performative if you read classics.
>>
File: coltaine.jpg (37 KB, 479x487)
37 KB
37 KB JPG
>>25180485
Like anon said read the second book. GotM is a notorious filter, but one that makes a WHOLE lot more sense in hindsight.
>>
>>25180240
I wonder how many just plain average fantasy series from the 80s and 90s just slipped through the cracks and ended up forgotten?
>>
>>25180485
Yes, Deadhouse Gates ended up being one of my favorite fantasy reads in the last 10 years, the Chain of Dogs is legendary stuff.
>>
>>25180485
It's north bad, but it's not worth it either. Next book is set on a completely different continent with completely different characters.

File: IMG_0403.jpg (96 KB, 940x625)
96 KB
96 KB JPG
Kim Il Sung Dongji is the greatest Marxist theorist of the 20th c who saved a failing ideology which was on the way out by turning the emphasis away from class struggle (which in the age of imperialism is not viable as US and west are labor aristocrats) and turning the emphasis towards nation struggle or struggle for Minjok (racial survival). The war in Iran where thousands die each day only vindicated Il Sung the more that nations struggle for survival.
2 replies and 2 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25179294
>socialism begets fascism
As if this wasn't widely known already.
>>
>>25179294
eugenics.exe
>>
>>25180353
North Korea doesn’t have eugenics actually. I literally saw the Korean tv livestream last Friday and they had a documentary/ commercial for the Libre 3 diabetic sensor on it.
>>
>>25179302
everything on the left of that pic is because of the CIA
>>
>>25179778
It’s not Fascism. It’s national liberation where for the time being, liberation from USA/ Europe is what is prioritized.

File: IMG_6250.jpg (94 KB, 749x436)
94 KB
94 KB JPG
Is there a quintessential Napoleon biography?
23 replies and 6 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
File: 61v5WzeWg+L._SL1500_.jpg (124 KB, 1019x1500)
124 KB
124 KB JPG
The Rise of Napoleon Bonaparte by Robert Asprey
>>
File: 71JNTu2g+jL._SL1360_.jpg (247 KB, 907x1360)
247 KB
247 KB JPG
Read this one when you're finished with the others as well.
>>
>>25169460
Emil Ludwig's is pretty good
>>
>>25181255
>englishman comparing napoleon to Hitler
I’m sure this is a fair and reasonable take and not just ethnic and nationalistic seething
>>
>>25181291
Eh? It's a fairly well trodden practice to compare tyrants from different eras.

what books to read to a baby so that it does not go full chud
33 replies and 1 image omitted. Click here to view.
>>
Are you really unironically looking for parenting advice from 4chan posters who call people chuds? Doubt you’re procreating but this kid is beyond fucked
>you know who would know how to raise a kid? Soibois who had even worse relationships with their own dad than the average redditor
>>
>>25180667
Are you legally barred from owning mirrors lmao. How is it possible to have this little self-awareness
>>
File: retard.png (64 KB, 898x423)
64 KB
64 KB PNG
>>25181077
>voted for trump in '20
supertard
>voted for him again in '24
gigatard lmfao christ you people are so fucking stupid
>>25180627
beat him with a copy of Mein Kampf so every time he sees it discussed online he has ptsd flashbacks and closes out of the tab
>>
>>25181066
>>25181077
dubs
>checked
anyways, I was a neocon until I was 29. my reason: I didn't like brown people so a temporary alliance with jews was necessary to avoid that.
>>
>>25181158
relax, the women I impregnated raised the chud concern. she said the fetus feels chuddie

Will Gen Z ever produce a literary figure as lauded and original as Cormac, Bellow, Pynchon, etc?
17 replies omitted. Click here to view.
>>
I'm a literate zumzum and I write good. So yes.
>>
rupi kaur
>>
>>25180678
What will they write?
>>
>>25179266
pynchud was literally nominated for a nebula award
>>
>>25179264
pynchon is a trash ((writer))

File: unholy.png (167 KB, 666x350)
167 KB
167 KB PNG
So... the good guys won?
144 replies and 9 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25180666
i feel like bakker forgot he wrote that she was sentencing people to death and enjoyed it.
>>
>>25175037
It's extremely coincidental that Kellhus just so happens to position the No God between him and the White Luck Warrior at the exact right moment twice. It's also extremely coincidental that he brings the No God to the exact right place at the exact right time to get inserted right as he is manifesting Ajokli, especially since clearly he knows Esme will release him.

So, Kellhus somehow using the No God against the Hundred doesn't seem that far fetched.

As for him hiding in it, yeah, the missing trinkets on the carapace do get mentioned several times. But more telling in this is that the White Luck Warrior sees Malowebi in the Decapitant. That is, the Gods can see the people in them just fine, and presumably they can see them even better in the Golden Room since it is basically on the Outside already (a bubble floating on it as they say).

So, the second head seems like a red herring. The No God is a place where the Gods obviously cannot see. The other option is the scenes on the Outside seem to show Kellhus potentially constructing some sort of place for himself. So that could simply be it too.

But the No God is obviously the ideal tool if you actually want to somehow defeat or change the Hundred, since it starves them to death.

As for Kellhus seeing the No God, that's pretty clearly what the original vision was meant to show. It being Ajokli the whole time would be a plausible retcon, but it could also just be the No God and Ajokli only comes in when Kellhus comes to him as an "inverse prophet." The No God seems pretty thoughtless when destroying things, but if it is the "prothesis" for an AI that "reads the code of the world" then it presumably has more to say.
>>
>>25180914
No, not really.
>>
>>25180895
Achamian activates the doll before getting captured. This is literally stated.
>>
>>25181303
Yeah, I remember reading something of the sort as well. I mean, wouldn't he otherwise be surprised by seeing his own doll saving his own ass? Doesn't make sense to me.

File: 1775004676369.jpg (311 KB, 760x1229)
311 KB
311 KB JPG
We're getting deep into 2026. Are you reaching your yearly reading goals?
12 replies and 4 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25180795
>I think of reading Heart the Lover
All the GR reviews are women saying "I am NOT OK this book destroyed me I'm a sobbing MESS." Very bad sign.
>>
File: Spoiler Image (11 KB, 320x240)
11 KB
11 KB JPG
>>25180833
>All the GR reviews are women saying "I am NOT OK this book destroyed me I'm a sobbing MESS."
Yes, this is exactly why I wanna read the book. I like melancholic literature.
The thing that I don't like of it is the fact that, afaik, it relies on flashbacks. I don't like nostalgia baiting in my novels.
Also, picrel (probably).
Hopefully it won't have either thing, or at least the style will make me stomach them.
>Very bad sign.
Why do you think that?
>>
>>25180868
>Why do you think that?
It makes me assume the book is melodramatic, unserious, and chick-lit-adjacent. But I could be totally wrong, I've been pleasantly surprised by some new books I read recently that I had those kinds of pre-judgements about.
>>
I only read two books a month is that too slow?
>>
>>25181038
>chick-lit-adjacent
Judging by the (female) GR reactions, it shouldn't be that. They wouldn't be crying if it was a cozy read.
About the other two things, I remember Jack Edwards liking it for how mature it pictured relationships. I trust the guy.
The wholesome chungus that is the average GR male user seem to hate it too, so it should be a pretty serious experience.

File: IMG_5668.jpg (54 KB, 976x850)
54 KB
54 KB JPG
>every Nietzsche discussion always devolves into somebody trying to own the chuds with:
>Die Juden sind aber ohne allen Zweifel die stärkste, zäheste und reinste Rasse, die jetzt in Europa lebt
>actually read Jenseits von Gut und Böse
>find out there‘s a bit of theatrics in word choice which doesn‘t really accord directly with the whole passage
>he‘s specifically talking about their continuation as a ethno-cultural entity unabsorbed by civic statehood
>fairly value-neutral judgement in itself
>directly follows it with an example of Germans who do something similar and encourages this
>elsewhere in the book calls jews the masters of slave morality

Was leftypol lying or did they just spam passages from wiki without reading it too?
16 replies omitted. Click here to view.
>>
File: 61d19RCFk2L.jpg (77 KB, 1000x1000)
77 KB
77 KB JPG
>>25179844
>Seething jew
like I said, you people should really be heideggerians
>>
>>25177759
>but but but that's only one letter!!!

Are you attempting to inb4 the thing which proves the extremely restrained relevancy of your assertion? It‘s funny enough that you‘re standing on the claim that I haven‘t read much Nietzsche if I haven‘t read the March 23, 1887 letter to Fritsch; but unless you have an encyclopedic recollection of Nietzsche‘s letters this is all but confirmation of my claim that it‘s uniquely liberal whitewashers who hoard disjointed segments they can use for selective evidence to the disregard of other statements they dislike.

Which, again, would be one thing of its own merit and the legitimate relevancy of one letter if a more nuanced perspective—both pro- and anti-jew in places—had not found formulation through his books, however you would rather subordinate them to the March 23, 1887 letter to Fritsch.
>>
>>25179885
>you can't just cite that letter okay because... because... uh... you can't!
lol
>you're being selective! it's barely relevant!
I'm citing the man's direct thoughts, the ones he expressed to friends, acquaintances, and relatives, free from misdirection, parody, or satire. you're gesturing toward a red-thread corkboard in your head where X passage from Y book is actually secretly ironically jew-hating when pressed backwards against Z excerpt from blah blah blah
>he was actually pro and anti jew in places so its complicated (by which I mean he was secretly anti-jew but it just sounds like he was pro-jew because he admired their conniving scheming underhanded insular jew-y ways, not actually them or their culture)
this is so powerfully retarded lmao
>but but but but one letter! just one letter!!!
okay here's more, let's start with another letter, march 29 1887, also to Fritsch, which you also are unaware of
>Believe me: this abominable 'wanting to have a say' of noisy dilettantes about the value of people and races, this subjection to 'authorities' who are utterly rejected with cold contempt by every sensible mind (e.g., E. Dühring, R. Wagner, Ebrard, Wahrmund, P. de Lagarde — who among these in questions of morality and history is the most unqualified, the most unjust?), these constant, absurd falsifications and rationalizations of vague concepts 'Germanic,' 'Semitic,' 'Aryan,' 'Christian,' 'German' — all of that could in the long run cause me to lose my temper... And finally, how do you think I feel when the name Zarathustra is mouthed by anti-Semites?
here's a draft of a letter he was going to send to his sister in December 1887
>Now it has gone so far that I have to defend myself tooth and nail against those who confuse me with these anti-Semitic canaille; after my own sister, my former sister, like Widemann more recently, has given the impetus to this most disastrous of all confusions. After I actually read the name Zarathustra in the Anti-Semitic Correspondence, my patience came to an end — I am now in a state of self-defense against the party of your husband. These accursed antics of the anti-Semites shall not sully my ideal!!
from a letter to Overbeck, march 24 1887
>The anti-Semites are enamored with Zarathustra, 'the divine man'; and there is a particular anti-Semitic interpretation of it, which made me laugh greatly... [a thorough list of German Jewish artists and scholars] would be a good contribution to the history of German culture, and criticism of it."
from a letter to von Meysenburg, spring 1884

Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>
>>25177294
Like most things Nietzsche his judeo-philia was just him taking the opposite opinion of Wagner to spite him. There's no real thought put into it.
>>
>>25179905
Didn't he hold a grudge against Wagner all his life and write various works against him PURELY because Wagner was notoriously antisemetic?
Wignats trying to push Nietszche is a fucking meme. It's clear literally nobody gas ever read his shit. His sister was the one who mainly pushed le ubermensch interpretation that edgelords believe in nowadays, and she was as much of a total fucking loser as he was. Fuck nihilists in general

File: ri.jpg (64 KB, 600x800)
64 KB
64 KB JPG
Does something like this exist in Western literature? An amoral main character with no sympathetic qualities, yet whom you're still supposed to root for?
All the examples I can think of a "villain protagonist" either are actually an anti-hero, or you're waiting for his downfall.
48 replies and 5 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25180507
That’s just how the language is even in casual conversation. Every other phrase is an idiom. Classical texts are far worse
>>
>>25180723
>Every other phrase is an idiom.
Of course it's not, lol
>>
>>25181185
you are a frog in a well
>>
>>25181210
You are courting death!
>>
Perfume by Suskind sort of

I exist alone on this soundscape. I am lost between machinery-- large, looming, shifting things. Here, underneath the mechaniplex, life's silvery veneer wears thin; behold! How her cold, corroded and creaking underparts lay exposed! I leave this inscription to whomever fate has misguided-- so often she plays the part of the pied piper-- read this, or I will be condemned to utter anihhilation within this hell...
>>
*pfffttttt*
Sorry, I just couldnt hold it in anymore... God, look at me stinking up the thread! So sor-
*pffttttttttt*
Uh-oh...
>>
>>25180161
>I am lost between machinery
10/10 line actually

File: ezgif-58dc60b6cad14a74.jpg (3.9 MB, 4000x6016)
3.9 MB
3.9 MB JPG
I ran out of space
140 replies and 37 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
File: 20260331_185316~2.jpg (1.78 MB, 2883x2667)
1.78 MB
1.78 MB JPG
>>25179683
Allow me to apologize to the huge faggot here, for only reading five different languages and not knowing Russian.
>>
>>25169587
>Here's our son's bedroom... He's 32
>>
>>25179911
holy pleiades
>>
>>25169780
Those look pristine.
>>
File: IMG_9136.jpg (1.9 MB, 4031x1930)
1.9 MB
1.9 MB JPG

I'm at a point in my life where I think I have a pretty good idea of what most people are like if I spend enough time with them, even if they aren't open about it. Except rich people, especially rich women. They're completely opaque, I can never know what they truly think or whether they really believe what they're saying. There's some non-rich people who also do that to me, but *all* rich people do it. It's like being unreadable is the essential skill to get there.
I also recently heard of the "novel of manners" genre, is there something like that for the modern west?
15 replies omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25181159
Not quite that simple. Very normalfag.
>>
>>25180706
rich people are just like you, but they're educated (not necessarily more intelligent), more concerned with appearances, and they don't really see you as a person. rich people only see other rich people as people. everyone else is just labor to them. fleshy automatons that look like people, talk like people, act like people, but aren't really people
>>
>>25181159
I can believe that, but they're either really good at it or I'm too unfamiliar with their bullshitting strategies.
I have the chance of hanging out with groups of them where I'm somewhat accepted, because I have a lot of common interests/culture with the ones who are just richer autists thanks mostly to the internet, I know they're normal people.
There are some who are significantly smarter and unique on top of being educated and I feel completely out of my depth when I talk to them even if they're being nice. Some are clearly not smart at all but still ahead in education and resources, and with those, even though I'm sure they have never produced an interesting thought, it's like the power of education is so strong that I still can't read them at all. It kills me.
>>
>>25181180
>nooo you don't understand there's fundamentally more to rich people than them being products of a society

lol
>>
>>25181180
Stop attempting to contribute when you have nothing to say.

>The ghost of 'lectricity howls in the bones of her face

What did literature Nobel laureate Robert Allen Zimmerman mean by this?
85 replies and 3 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25176388
Those people are gonna hate regardless. Your comment testifies to that.
>>
>>25170706
What about Nick Drake
>>
>>25174260
>Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a bowl of soup
>Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a rolling hoop
>Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a ton of lead
>Wiggle, you can raise the dead
I honestly never had much issue with it.
>>
>>25166213
Scaruffi believes the greatest lyrics ever written to be:

Are we supposed to be or not to be?
said the angel to the Queen
I lift up my skirt and Voltaire turns
as he speaks, his mouth full of garlic
white, yes, white
misfortune of us two
he told you to be free
and you obeyed
we have to decide which is important
a war we never see
or a street so black babies die?
a system and a theory

Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>
>>25166239
they aren't poetry, they are lyrics. the musicality of them as melodic items is important which is not the case in poetry.


[Advertise on 4chan]

Delete Post: [File Only] Style:
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]
[Disable Mobile View / Use Desktop Site]

[Enable Mobile View / Use Mobile Site]

All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.