I keep hearing how Shakespeare stole from other works before himHow true is this?Which works specifically did he steal from?
>>25178970He and Marlowe (and many others) were heavily influenced by Holinshed's Chronicles but I wouldn't say they "stole" anything.
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stole? you love rules dont you anon
>>25180498What word would you use instead?
He was was a thief, and that's why he was great. Most people can only copy.
>book has 20+ page long chapters
>book has no chapters at all
>>25180508never understood the concept of chapters like nigga shut the fuck up and just tell your story, if it's flowing it's better, no need to cut it into pieces.
>book is 300 pages and has 100 chapters
250 word essay due next week
>>25180508you can make your own chapters. give yourself permission to stop. accept the power to observe and optimize your energies and agency
admit it, /lit/.there are definitely instances where the film is better than the book
Foiled again by the great /lit/ retard- I mean detective.
>>25180668The Prestige (Nolan film) is way better than the book.>You never understood why we did this. The audience knows the truth: the world is simple. It's miserable, solid all the way through. But if you could fool them, even for a second, then you can make them wonder, and then you... then you got to see something really special. You really don't know? It was... it was the look on their faces...
>>25180883>TarkovskyGreat b8
>>25180975He's a fraud. Cope.
>>25180982you sound like one of those morons that judge films by their "literary" value as opposed to the qualities that make them films
How the fuck does this get published?
>>25180847If you've spent any time around faggoty nu-males, this is exactly how they talk.
>>25180847wait until you get to the part where they casually reveal the moon has no age of consent laws and thus roaming bands of honor mobs keep the pedos in check
>>25180968Does their success offend you? Freak.
>>25180981Simply pointing out that what /lit/ considers amateurish, sloppy, manchild dialogue is actually just an accurate portrayal of how nu-males talk. The highlighted scene plays out at my workplace break room every day.
>>25180847Normalfags love shit like this.
are there any pop-science books you've enjoyed?
>>25180721Great so when I say design you know exactly what I'm referring to?is it a better, clearer way of communicating what I described?The answer is no.
>>25180737Let's look at the phenomena you're describing...>I'm asking what you call it when billion dollar companies use psychology to keep people hooked on apps.What you're really asking is, why do companies design their product to give their customers what they want? But you frame this question in the most nefarious way possible in order to push your unfounded moral panic. You act like something as mundane as design is some occult hex that companies use to mentally rape their customers for profit. I've just stripped out the unnecessary hysteria.
>>25180851You're having an episode. Nowhere did I frame it as some occult hex. This is you creating a strawman.I don't frame is in the most nefarious way possible. I describe just exactly what they are doing. What is it you're in disagreement with? Do they not spend millions of dollars into researching how to manipulate their users? You frame it as if they're an ice cream store selling a new flavour. Just what the customer wants! In reality it's 100% provably using psychological methods to manipulate their users emotions. You cannot dispute this and will dodge it in your next reply.It's less like any other consumer product and more akin to a casino. And we have special rules for gambling (or at least we had) for good reasons.I bet you see nothing wrong with the explosion in betting apps either right?
>>25180880>You're having an episode. Nowhere did I frame it as some occult hex. This is you creating a strawman.It's called hyperbole and figurative language.>I don't frame is in the most nefarious way possible.Let's look at the type language you were using to describe the design of social media...>Hooked>Manipulate>CasinoAll these things have a negative connotation. You aren't objectively describing the services that social media companies provide, you're baking in your own subjective assessments of those "manipulative strategies" and presenting them as objective.>Just what the customer wants!How do you think the social media companies keep their userbase? By using their algorithms to present things that their users don't want? Maybe by sending armed thugs to force people to use their services perhaps? The fact is, the reason people are "hooked" on social media, is because they want to use social media.>In reality it's 100% provably using psychological methods to manipulate their users emotions.Which is what you're trying to do right now with your hysterical descriptions of basic product design. Pot meet kettle.>You cannot dispute this and will dodge it in your next reply.I can and I will. The problem isn't social media companies acting as "pushers", it's irresponsible people acting irresponsibly with social media and blaming everyone else for their own irresponsible actions. And now everyone else has to suffer because of these retards.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25177905>le phone is the problem VS>Neo-liberal self exploitation is the problemwell /lit/, whos right?
reddit
>>25180208For one thing the author came out and said that they intentionally made it as propaganda to slowly nudge people farther left. For that reason alone I gave it a skip.
Have video games had positive influence on anything? It seems like their popularity has just made everything a little worse.
>>25175123My girlfriend read some of this, it sounded fun.
People will clown on me for this, but I lost respect for him not supporting a draft in the US to help our allies fight Iran.
I know I dislike having to visit reddit for theorycrafting and plot discussion because nobody talks about the fucking books here.
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>>25180941My point is more knowing such meme characters, or any character really, shouldn't be a prerequisite of posting on 4chan.Oh speak of the devil (hehe, nice pun). Fortunately I've read Berserk (though I did have to look up the name to remind me) but still, this is silly.
>>25180951I got Griffith too in my last one.
>>25180940In Search of Lost Time. Two years of on-and-off reading.
>>25180956Still haven’t finished it, Swann’s Way was amazing but I didn’t enjoy some of the subsequent volumes AS much. I will, one day finish it.
it just asked me for the correct argentinian skin color
>greatest writer at the time of his death>had a vast library containing tens of thousands of books on every subject under the sun>reached advanced proficiency in math and physics for fun (a member of SFI said he matched most professors in those subjects)>had a large circle of friends from every discipline; his best friend was the inventor of the quark>didn't own a computer, use a smartphone, or have any internet presence whatsoever, not even an email addressCan we just admit that computers are the bane of creativity?
>>25180807>inventor of the quark
>inventor of the cock
>>25180807>inventor of the quarkAnyway, it just so happened that he lived in a period where computer/internet usage was not so integrated and needed for proper functioning in urban society. You shouldn't mistake this correleation for the very reason that he was good at writing obscurantist non-canonical novels for midwits.
>>25180807>inventor of the quark>greatest writer at the time of his deathPynchon is still kicking, I don’t think he’s as good as what other people think, but he’s better than McCarthy. Not a fierce competition in the 2020s regardless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrUy1Vn2KdI theres a mac in the background of this interview visible at 0:26 lolif you know how to parse the overwhelming knowledge online computers are actually an incredible asset. a few decades ago all of the knowledge we have wouldve been paywalled behind college tuition, but now the only wall to understanding this stuff is time and discipline. cheer up. the potential for personal development is higher than ever
Chtorr editionHere we discuss any kind of science fiction and fantasy.>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
>>25180783it's okay anon i am not mad that you are not into my favorite series
What fantasy series would make the best vidya?I think Wheel of Time could be a pretty interesting world to explore
>>25180831TemeraireFly on a dragon and have Mass Effect-esque conversations with companions.
>>25180389The series is more of the same. If you liked the Belgariad you'll probably like the Mallorean. The first book was slow but the series starts to find its identity again in the second. I took a break before starting the Mallorean and I think that was a good idea.
>>25180783What's pon?
Either regularly or now and again count>Granta>DIAGRAM>New Yorker>Ploughshares>Paris Review>Heavy Traffic
>>25179196Nope, the cultural invasion is complete unfortunately. They've fully barricaded the arts against aspiring white guys. The proof is in the product, unceasing political slop lightly touched with narrative.
>>25179196that would require people other than foids and fags to read, and like it or not, american literary culture is kept alive by foids and fags. everyone say thank you foids and fags. I'll start. Thank You Foids And Fags
I've enjoyed a few stories from Volume 0, but it's mostly foidslop as you'd expect
I'm surprised that The Stinging Fly is so good, but I guess I shouldn't be. Nation of poets and writers, I guess. Irish journal. Has a good press attached to it to
>>25180310I've seen the Stinging Fly recommended before (by the author of Brat when he was posting here), but I don't think I've read anything they've published. Anything good of theirs online you could link?
>Conrad, Joseph. A favorite between the ages of 8 and 14. Essentially a writer for very young people. Certainly inferior to Hemingway and Wells. Intolerable souvenir-shop style, romanticist clichés. Nothing I would care to have written myself. In mentality and emotion, hopelessly juvenile. Romantic in the large sense. Slightly bogus.
>>25180572neither >>25180568 or whoever's in the "other thread" is me anon. i am now curious though... but if you were talking about >>25180568 that was marginalia in his personal copy.
>>25175823why should I listen to a guy whose most known for writing a pedophile book
>>25180890Pale Fire is much better. But you haven’t or won’t read anything written by him (or anyone else for that matter) so there’s no point in me telling you to read it.
>>25180894what's the point of your post then
>>25180919There wasn't one.
>spend years and years working on a novel>reread it>realize half of it is unusable trashwhat do I do now?
>>25176809>he thought the first draft would be good
>>25177313Most of the world doesn't care to write a novel.
If you're not competent enough to write a dazzling novel that needs a minimum of reworking after one draft, face that you're not at the level of novel-writing at all. You should work up to it by degrees. Start with short stories, compile a collection, and then go novella, novelette, and novel. But launching into a novel without first doing the spadework is a recipe for disappointment.
>>25180286T.someone who doesnt write
yeah that post reads like somebody who has a very theoretical understanding of what skills are. failure so horrible that you blush thinking about it in private is a necessary part of learning and only being a teacher's pet in public school can convince you otherwise. never trust someone who uses perfect punctuation and grammar on the internet. keep failing and keep exposing yourself to new styles of stuff
>1 books completed>3 books behind schedule
>>25179300sure thing kat williams
>>25179300>>25179308>>25179351You read for enjoyment, for learning new (for you) ideas and concepts and to be able to understand fully more complex and/or historically formed from previous sources ideas and concepts, which in addition to better understanding of world, man, logic and other various entities and their structures also leads to more enjoyment of better quality and better variety of it.So reading certain books you don't like, that nevertheless are the foundation of some books, concepts and ideas, that came later, if only as a thing refuted by those newcomers, is important to properly understand this newcomers in the first place.Which is precisely why "start with greeks" is a good advice even when it is parroted mindlessly.
>>25180499>Which is precisely why "start with greeks" is a good advice even when it is parroted mindlessly.Some of the earliest greek philosophy is just obvious if you grew up somewhat educated but didnt read a ton of philosophy. I always feel like i need a more abridged list of books when reading greeks so i dont read redundant shit.
>>25180190this is a literature board and you haven't read a single work
>>25180764wdym? he read hyperion
What could be finer?
Are you part of any literature groups? Book clubs, writer guilds, author-orgy-groups, etc.?If so, do you like them?If not, do you wish you were?
>>25178214>Bars count, I suppose.Would not go to stand-up comedy, but would go to see a cute girl lead stuff aloud (and enjoy a beer at the same time).
>>25173916I once joined some local book club on discord but the the discussion there was very cringe so I didn't participate much.
I'm part of two writer's groups. One is super cool and chill, and has one professional author. It's a small group. But there's some really awful writers sharing their novels and I'm tired of reading them. Recently some autistic girl who overshares has been trying to get her book critiqued but she doesn't read anyone else's stuff. She gives fake critique, says nothing specific, and just parrots whatever someone else said. When she doesn't just openly admit she "didn't have time" to read it. The other group is larger and worse. There are two guys I like. They write good stuff. There's also a professional author in this group, but she's an SJW who thinks rape jokes are off limit. None of them understand what prose is. They just talk about trigger warnings. And half of them never say anything. Sometimes I've gotten my story returned, where they printed it out and wrote nothing on it. Last year some girl wrote some really heinous Chuck Palahanuik torture porn type shit, with rape, vivisection, domestic abuse, pedophilia, bind break, etc. Really dark shit, but it was a good story. This gets a pass from everyone. But if you make a joke about roofying a girl-- oh boy, no, no, no, that triggers me.
>>25180552>They just talk about trigger warnings.>Sometimes I've gotten my story returned, where they printed it out and wrote nothing on it.they are just fishing for a high value idea that will be their golden ticket to a position of poweronce they get it, they will forward it to a committee (most probably linked to China because there is nobody else left, the Democratic party has other priorities...), that will refine it and get one of their stooges to write (or at least will try to write, as they basically shot themselves in the foot with hyper-nepotism) a top-selling novel out of itit's how writing science fiction worked in the Soviet Union e.g. Stanislaw Lemit's obvious that they can't do anything with "politically incorrect" stuff... actually it reminds me of Kurt Vonnegut who got a letter from a young writer-wannabe who did not know what to write about, and he threw him like three dozen GREAT ideas (as judged by me, they all sounded incredible... much better than Vonnegut's novels in fact lol) and said that he had thousandsno, I could not find said list, I saw it in a documentary about the dude, and they read out only a few / showed the first page of the letteryes you may use my "idea" about the chicom harvesting authors, if you want to, I don't mind
>>25180574Weak
