Mention here literature according to /lit/ suitable to matriculate as a real /x/-ian. Or if /x/ was /lit/ cohorts first.
>>24954463Didn't know about this guy, seems related to the traditionalists too? Good rec anon. Thanks.
>>24954283what's wrong with the occult when even raw did some rituals
>>24954283Charles Fort is so fucking good man, it is frustrating how much his work has been bastardized by quacks and New Agers. His humor and his satirical edge are so cutting even today, I don't understand why he isn't more discussed.Fort's fundamental arguments were way ahead of their time in terms of sophistication, to use cosmological arguments and a sort of non-theological monism to argue against the presuppositions of the scientific method in its ability to isolate variables and identify pertinent and impertinent data is something that really didn't have a place within academia until the late-Wittgensteinians, and the sociological schools which descended from that tradition.
>>24946516Not good, but fun
>>24954283>all occultists are fourchin cultus sabbati wankersStrange claim. But yes. The occult is a larp. Or a psychotic version of the mystical quest. But the mystical quest itself is real and not larp. And there is some ocassional wisdom in the gutters. But better off w more conventional stuff. Prior to modern occult, such stuff was more like a sort of proto new age neoplatonic hermetic christianity brew of the proverbial esoteric which also has some wisdom despite a lot of garbage too altho less than moderns. Anyway. Ime the average witch girl cares more about planets than cumjars. But ymmv
Is it worth it? I've never read crime fiction before.
>>24956162>victorian clothing makes them look old to anybody not alive during the Victorian era>the Norwood reaper is creeping up on Sherlock>watson has an old man moustache
>>24956157>The author presents you with all the evidenceNo they don't, at least not for what I have read from Doyle or Christie. The solutions to the mysteries are as ass-pullery as it gets
>>24955839His brother mogs him tho
>>24956157>The author presents you with all the evidenceNot really. You are not meant to be able to solve these. Only Holmes does otherwise the whole point of him being a super autist cocaine detective would be lost. Looking at the story afterwards and going “oh yeah that fits” isn’t the same.
i read them all back in the day in a two volume edition with annotations. the long ones are kind of rough but i remember liking the short ones
Elements of Rhetoricby Richard Whatelyhttps://archive.org/details/elementsofrheto00whatPrinciples of general grammar. Comp. and arranged for the use of colleges and schools by Roemer, Jeanhttps://archive.org/details/principlesgener00roemgoogPrinciples of general grammar : adapted to the capacity of youth, and proper to serve as an introduction to the study of languages by Silvestre de Sacy, A. I. (Antoine Isaac)https://archive.org/details/principlesgener00sacygoog
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>>24954588Trivium is just a pseud LARP marketed to midwits too dumb to notice it's just boomer-tier Reading, wRiting, aRithmetic nonsense.
>>24956111>Renaissance is just a pseud LARP marketed to midwits too dumb to notice it's just scholastics-tier lectio, meditatio, quaestio nonsense.
>Trivium:Read aristotle most notably organon>Quadrivium:Read euclid elements, iamblichus theology of arithmetic, nicomachus manual of harmonic, ptolemy tetrabiblos
Should I start with Eliade or Varg Vikernes for a better understanding of paganism?
>>24956266this
>>24956248Shpuld I start with the kuy who spent his life studying religions and was part of a wider group of traditionalist thinkers or the internet grifter?You do not read.
>>24956259Nigga shut the fuck up
Benoist
>>24956248Varg is legitimately retarded. >>24956266The bibble is for making a jewish slave caste of good goys. It is a good resource for pagan ritual though since that’s what their YHWH god demanded of them from the time of being just another desert people. They cribbed the interesting parts of their religion from Sumerian sources (the creation of the world, the flood, noah’s ark). Christfags desperately tried to pave over shit like god not being alone at creation and the clear references to competing gods (judaism is just one such religion among many in the same era, all the pains about god being physically restricted to a place, the temple, a mountain, is straight out of mesopotamian religions). The “paganism” divide is arbitrary since all the goatfucker religions have that exact origin and then try to psyop their believers into thinking it’s different (tm). The “paganism” of Varg and other retards is pure LARP because they have no access to a religious tradition.
If only I knew back when this was published how right he was
>>24956224>can i get a brief summary on the book?Isn't that one of the major use cases of current artificial intelligence?
>>24956215>Currently, the right-wing and the technocratic elite have come to a conclusion that ethnic cleansing is the only way to salvage liberal societies. This is no longer just some fringe idea among twitter anons, it’s the explicit goal of people like Elon Musk and now American congressmen who have all but embraced the ideology of Anders Breivik.You are so blinded by redditism. The current technocratic elite is still multicultural and is still trying to push mass immigration from India. The only thing that changed is that they realized they were pulling so many migrants that it was destabilizing infrastructure to the point that short term profits were no longer outweighing the ultimate costs to the system.This is ironically liberalism in action, as it takes a slightly more rational and conservative approach to migration, undoing the harm of unlimited mass migration, while preserving the system that keeps wages stagnant and displaces anyone that still remembers how good things could have been with third worlders who are grateful for what it isn't yet.The right is fundamentally split between the ultimately liberal, globalist, and pragmatic tech-"right" and the "right right" as Musk calls it, "backwards," nationalistic, parochial and idealistic people that are genuinely skeptical of liberalism. The "tech right" is just one expression of the progressive neoliberal left that has taken an alternative approach to perserving the globalist project, and the "right right" are the remnants of truly populist forces that are ironically closer to leftist socialists than the tech right. But as an extremely dogmatic and wildly idealist person, you will collapse all nuance into a battle between your side (complicated and nuanced) and The Other (Literally Anders Breivik nazis!!) so any discussion about this is doomed to break down into pointless babbling.
>>24956235if i'm going to use AI for everything, then why would i use this site?
>>24956245Not sure what point you’re trying to make here. When it comes to the nitty gritty then yeah, Musk and co love immigrants like Indians, but let’s not act like these technocrats even have logical or consistent views. Elon Musk is the same person who weeps about the collapse of the West and humanity entering a dark age every day on Twitter, and then he claims that AI will actually fix everything and eliminate disease, war and poverty.The point is that when the elites start talking about “remigration” and “white genocide” then there is no coherent framework in which liberalism can operate. When congressmen are saying all members of a group of people must be deported, that’s that future of Western governance. The writing is on the wall. Preserving the international liberal project cannot be done using liberalism, and people like Karp, Thiel and increasingly Musk are perfectly willing to transgress it. You’re absurdly naive if you think these tech oligarchs, who are openly plotting to treat us all as insects, are seriously interested in being liberals anymore despite all their preaching about freedom. Drastic times will lead to drastic measures
>>24956273>The point is that when the elites start talking about “remigration” and “white genocide” then there is no coherent framework in which liberalism can operate.As opposed to indigenous genocide decolonialization? You are stuck in one set of moral idealism. Liberalism has never been without internal contradictions, and by and large the elite are not concerned with "white genocide." The closest anything came to it was a claim of it happening in South Africa. This "no coherent framework" is a product of your imagination.>Not sure what point you’re trying to make here. When it comes to the nitty gritty then yeah, Musk and co love immigrants like Indians, but let’s not act like these technocrats even have logical or consistent views.This is the crux of how pointless your retort is, when it's just "aww hell it's all random and contradictory and yeah I guess they want millions of brown people lol but, I guess like... umm... like they talk about stuff that makes me feel weird and my tummy starts buzzing and i start breathing fast and it just... the west has fallen."Ok?You are writing endless unsubstantiated conjecture. Most of it is no better than what you'd call /pol/ antisemitic conspiracy brain rot. I am telling you actual substantiated facts: The "big tech elites" still support immigration, still want brown people in employment, and are still fundamentally liberal. This is what I mean by pointless babbling; I tell you the facts, you write some conspiracy and rationalization for why the facts don't align with your unsubstantiated political juvenilia.
Was he on a mission to write the most exhaustingly dense prose without using any dependent clauses?
>>24956255You have read neither
>>24956243Despite the diction here, this is way easier to read. It's something about his grammar. You start a sentence with all your bearings in place, but by the end the antecedents don't make immediate sense. Add to it the knurled and archaic diction and it can be tiring to read at length.
>>24956272well if one were so inclined toward magniloquent expansion and discursive ornamentation, elect to unfurl that modest observation into a gently condescending yet broadly inclusive meditation on the endlessly variegated habits of human expression, acknowledging with a faint shrug of rhetorical resignation that certain individuals, whether by upbringing, temperament, affectation, or some ineffable convergence of circumstance, manifest their thoughts in patterns of speech so florid, circuitous, or idiosyncratically overwrought that they become less a vehicle for efficient communication and more a performative exhibition of verbal identity, a phenomenon neither inherently virtuous nor intrinsically blameworthy but merely descriptive of the peculiar ways in which people inhabit language, a conclusion that, once all the curlicues have been painstakingly traced and the surplus verbiage ceremonially set aside, amounts to nothing more or less than the calmly stated recognition that, well, my friend, that's just how some people talk. namely southerners. particularly, wannabe southern gentleman. that is to say, a true southern gentleman largely gets this peculiar linguistic rhythm correct because he was born into it. the wannabes, like our poor, poor cormac, can sometimes come close but never quite get there because it is not of their very soul, you see?
>>24956283Why are you writing like Henry James?
>>24956270Suttree is undeniably one of McCarthy's most "normal" novels and not exhausting in the slightest
What's a good book to start with Jung? I'm already familiar with psychoanalysis.I am mainly interested in dream analysis and archetypes, but I have researched and found that Man and His Symbols was not written by him personally, but by his assistants, and is actually a simple introduction.
>>24953463is there no point in continuing with the collected works after this since this looks like everything of jung?
>>24953539>That's what I did and it gave me the impression he was just a charlatan making shit up (but hey, that's psychology after all)That's what he was, he just read some Eastern philosophy and religion shit, because it was popular at the time, and incorporated it into his Western esoterica sex cult shit. That's his only good book really.
Ok so what Jung do I need? There's 20GB, do I need everything or is there a good collected works or something? I don't know why this guy has 20GB it's way too much.
>>24955440all science is a faith based estimate.
>>24955705if you're interested in a specific topic then you should look into his collected works but if you're looking to study jung with zero background your best bet is this cherry picked compilation >>24953463
>age>location>current read
>>24954838>Nobody told me the 3rd Reich would be so comfy.
>>>>NOOOOOOOO, IF I SAY MY AGE, MY GENERAL GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION AND WHAT I'M READING THE FEDS WILL GET ME!!!, I'M LITERALLY BEING DOXXED ITT!!!What causes this particular brand of retardation?
>>24946303Because I want to reach a near native level in french and because I love the language. The translation is good as well
>24>North Caroline>The White Goddess - Robert Graves
>37>USA>Lost on Venus by Burroughs
How are you supposed to write multiple characters without all of them sounding the same, or sounding like yourself
Life experience. Something a lot of the younger generations lack. When I write different characters I model them after real people I've known and met throughout the years and just imagine how they would react to situations.This requires you to be well traveled and outgoing especially in a pre-internet age where people were genuine individuals with wildly varying beliefs and convictions. You can talk to 100 zoomers in 2025 and they will all hold the same views and mannerisms (that they gleaned from tiktok and YouTube)
>>24955955>>24955827
>>24954674Write archetypical characters. A hero, an old and wise man, a trickster, a monster, etc.
Lest men suspect your tale to be untrue,Keep probability—some say—in view.But my advice to story-tellers is:Weigh out no gross of probabilities,Nor yet make diligent transcriptions ofKnown instances of virtue, crime or love.To forge a picture that will pass for true,Do conscientiously what liars do—Born liars, not the lesser sort that raidThe mouths of others for their stock-in-trade:Assemble, first, all casual bits and scrapsThat may shake down into a world perhaps;People this world, by chance created so,With random persons whom you do not know—The teashop sort, or travelers in a trainComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24954674you can base your characters and their attributes on people you know, actors you like, etc.
Need a book for when I have an insomnia spell and can't sleep. I don't want to doomscroll my phone so it seems like a good way to get back into reading.
>>24953392Agreed.
What you need is an engaging book that is hard to approach. Somehow your brain is interested enough to try to follow it but it takes so much energy you fall asleep pretty quickly.
"Gormenghast" by Mervyn Peake will bore you into submission in no time.
>>24954327Any suggestions? If I'm interested I feel like I'll be engaged.
>>24954682how dare you
Tolstoy's forgotten 3rd novel. Why does no one talk about it? It's kind of like his version of Crime and Punishment with a similar story about prison, crime and prostitution. It's heavy-handed yeah but very good.
>>24954251>why haven't 23 years old zoomers on /lit/ read Tolstoy's entire oeuvre
>>24956009>Still butthurt from the current read thread
>>24956009He only has 3 “main” novels and this is the shortest, it’s not like you see people discuss all of Dostoevsky’s books like The Adolescent or Notes from a Dead House
>>24956205>The AdolescentAbsolutely garbage compared to others desu
Who's up for a good ol' fashioned stack/recent cops thread?
>>24954741Ah don't worry, I realise now that I made some dumb assumptions with my question. Thanks for the info re: the missing pages, that's intriguing. It's been on my list for a while, so I'll probably get a copy in the new year. Hope you enjoy it anon
my college has a shelf in this one hallway with free history titles for students. basically the spot where the library or that department offloads old books they don't want anymore. well today they replenished the stock and i made out like a bandit.
took three trips to get these down to the car
i left behind a copy of guns, germs, and steel
Why am I more interested in listening to audiobooks rather than reading books but think books are cooler than audiobooks?
what are your thoughts/opinions on Kafka.
>>24954722Same, I wonder if the prose was better in German
>>24954317i want to smoke a cigar, engraved on it his name, with the most disrespectful intentions in front of his family's grave while my cat rudy pisses on the headstone
>>24954317people take him too seriously. he was trying to write comedy.
>>24956239I have his diaries. He’s pretty fucking bleak
>>24956242i said he was trying. didn't say he did.
I picked up some Nietzsche and am disappointed. I don't write this to annoy any Nietszsche fans, but only to air my own frustrations. But his writing is like "I I I I I me me me me me I did this I thought this and us philosophers are like a golden tree from which the precise fruit of truth must not be hidden by the leaves of lies". He doesn't say anything interesting and his mixing of poetry and philosophy is just annoying. Also, his ideas, even when read very liberally and considering multiple interpretations, are full of holes and based on stories and random hypotheticals and thought experiments that probably made sense in his head.No offense to him or his fans, he is not around to defend himself against my shallow and limp accusations nor would he care to if he were, I'm sure.
>>24956143>He doesn't say anything interesting and his mixing of poetry and philosophy is just annoying. Also, his ideas, even when read very liberally and considering multiple interpretations, are full of holes and based on stories and random hypotheticals and thought experiments that probably made sense in his head.you're unironically an atheist or some other flavour of autist. if you don't understand christianity or 19th century continental thought/ society then no shit you're not going to get how revolutionary his system was. this was written in the same era as dickens and oliver twist
>>24956173>Of course no one is asking for literal axiomatic logic in 100% of your writing but he's just inventing excuses to let being hand-wavey be okay as long as you're holding flowers in your hands.yeah, an autist. back to russell and frege with you, though i doubt you've read frege desu
>>24956229I love dickens, but regardless of how revolutionary his system WAS, I'm criticizing it based on my knowledge and mindset as a 21st century person.>>24956231So saying that I don't need 100% logic but I don't like people being hand-wavey = autistic? Okay, I'm proudly autistic then.
>>24956234*Nietzsche's system was
>>24956211>it's more that his writing filtering me means that his writing didn't live up to a standard>OH MY GOD NIETZSCHE DIDN'T PROVIDE ANY PEER REVIEWED SOURCES OR EVIDENCE FOR HIS BELIEFS!!! i have genuinely no idea which philosophers you have read. hume? a smattering of aristotle? certainly not schopenhauer. i don't know why you randomly decided to read nietzsche and then say "WOW THIS IRRATIONALIST ISN'T VERY RATIONAL, WHAT WOULD THOMAS LOCKE SAY!!!">>24956234>regardless of how revolutionary his system WAS, I'm criticizing it based on my knowledge and mindset as a 21st century person.that's arbitrary and fucking stupid because 99% of what he was saying was a response to the prevailing thought of his day. obviously if you are completely ignorant of philosophy and the ideas he takes contrarian positions against then you will get less than nothing out of him, but the problem is clearly on your end. imagine reading a cultural critic with no understanding of the culture he was critiquing, /lit/ strikes again>So saying that I don't need 100% logic but I don't like people being hand-wavey = autistic? Okay, I'm proudly autistic then.nietzsche expresses positions that are contrary to common beliefs of the time and also build on positions he established in earlier books (which you haven't read). why are you reading ecce homo before BGE? before twilight of the idols? what is this nonsense
