thoughts on this? wanted to start with philosophy chronologically got recommended this book by reddit
>>24695456nigga i just wanna hear opinions chill
Idk. For things like the Greeks, especially presocratics it's better to have some basis Ancient Greek and choose an annotated version of the fragments you want to study. Chronological order don't mean shit, you are not an historian. Start with Plato right away because that's where occidental people more or less start with the greeks. And by books about Euclides and the Pythagoreans. Having a lot of fragment will not take you very far.Maybe read about their mythology too.
>>24695467>Idk. For things like the Greeks, especially presocratics it's better to have some basis Ancient Greek and choose an annotated version of the fragments you want to study.ok>Chronological order don't mean shit, you are not an historianmakes it easier to process everything and see the evolution>Start with Plato right away because that's where occidental people more or less start with the greeksfuck that shit then. i wanna understand everything>And by books about Euclides and the Pythagoreansim planning to read euclides elements
>>24695445Excellent set of volumes. Contains the testimonia and fragments in Greek and Latin (as applicable) with decent translations of them all. In some cases, you even get some access to fragments discovered subsequent to Diels and Kranz.On the other hand, it's not really a replacement for Diels and Kranz, since many of the smaller figures lack any presence, as well as a few significant Pythagoreans.
Start with the Torah. Learned Greeks like Origen admitted that all the wisdom of the Egyptians and Greeks, from Euclid to Plato, was a pale imitation of Moses and Solomon. After the Torah read the Wisdom and Proverbs of Solomon. Then the wisdom of Sirach is excellent, and Ecclesiastes.
Skip one of these and you turn out a complete retard.
>>24695038You're a clear example, for starters.
I think I've mastered grammer more then logik and rethoric.
>>24695038What goes in the medium item slots? Dicks in two holes and a wound?
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>>24695042>>24695074>>24695175Thanks for proving my point.
I loved this book, I wanted to start reading more asian authors and started with Murakami but Jin Lee (at least here) fucking blows him out of the park. Any similar recommendations? Not necessarily eastern
But actually to be fair to Murakami I've only read two books of his: south of the border, west of the sun and Tokio Blues, but I found them rather superficial and simple. Maybe it's the translation but tokio blues was really underwhelming. I actually enjoyed more south of the border, specially with it's ending and reinterpretation of the story. But man did pachinko hit me in the feels, some of the scenes are very fucking powerful and I actually shed a tear or two
>>24693906I really liked Sputnik Sweetheart. I felt that it captured the odd feeling of unrequited love quite well; it's short, too, and I think I prefer Murakami in short burstsIn terms of other asian authors, I really love Mishima, Temple of the Golden Pavilion, and Confessions of a Mask are fantastic, although both these recommendations don't really have much in common with Pachinko, try East of Eden maybe?
>>24693896Try Yu Hua's To Live
>"Read Nietzsche’s Zarathustra, and his sister’s note about how he wrote it, and am absolutely convinced that he was completely mad when he wrote it, and mad not in a metaphorical sense, but in the straightforward and most exact sense: incoherence, jumping from one idea to another, comparisons with no indication of what is being compared, beginnings of ideas with no endings, leaping from one idea to another for contrast or consonance, and all against the background of the pointe of his madness, his idée fixe, that by denying all the higher principles of human life and thought, he is proving his own superhuman genius. What will society be like if such a madman, and an evil madman, is acknowledged as a teacher?”He's right you know...
>>24695443Yeah, he was a regular demoniac.
>>24695475>Yeah, he was a regular demoniac.
>>24695382>truths he revealedhis own mobile army of metaphors, you mean? there's only perspectives, and as many truths as there are perspectives.
>>24695482Cool meme there. You have narrowed me down to the guy in the meme. Pinned me, nailed me, unmasked me. Trad, reddit, perennially basedfacing. That's me to a t. You win.
>>24693572>What N. really wanted to be was an artist, I think especially a musicianWhat he wanted to be was Wagner, or more specifically, the husband of Cosima Wagner.
ITT we discuss the details & literary merits of various history books.
I was searching for books on the Trojan war, both the myth and reality and found this on a lit infograph, is it a good place to start? Anything else on late bronze age Greece in general?
>>24692011Incredible read, thank you anon
>>24693982I've read this, it is what you're looking for. Good to read right before The Illiad.
31% of the way thru Killing Hope.
>>24693982The War That Killed Achilles is quite good.
>writes a scene in his book about childrens having a gangbang
>>24694871>da JOOOS!!Obsessed. Antisemitism is a mental disorder
>>24695308It’s just on BAP’s fantasies that he thinks will come true when America is just like Brazil which he has repeatedly says it needs to become
>>24695531well then so is orthodox jewry xD
>>24695531how convenient for you genocidal faggots
>>24695531Should he have not posted Stephen King either?
Write a critique of this poem without sounding like a mad incel.
>>24690425Just line breaks.Not poetry.
>>24690425>write a random thought >express it the exact same way you would talk about what you ate for dinner yesterday >add random line breaks>it's a poem nowI hate this "style" of poetry. It's like you're not even trying. There's no rhythm Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24691613A lot of female artists are unless they're Lori Bravo or Diamanda Galas
>>24690522It's because of poetic effect.I for one loveit's rhyming depth.
>>24690425>My only critique isn't a critique.>Obviously Taylor chose Travis...>In some way all women choose a man, not vice versa. >Thus Taylor was not chosen.
I already read picrel and it was very disappointing. It got banned in Germany somehow, but is actually not that incredible.Are there other books that will get TikTok femoids seething?
>>24693833You are probably autistic, I'm not really into talking about mundane stuff either (be it about myself or other people), but that is what normies like.
>>24693774I don't like israel either but I'm not antisemitic. I'm fine with migrants, but I don't like H1B. I voted for harris to try and keep trump out of office but I felt guilty about it because she's a zionist.
>>24693829>What kind of person wouldn't let other people talk and listen to themhave you ever talked with another human being?
>>24693829I probably got some kind of empathy mental disorder (or autism), and I personnally am very bad with people. I can let them talk, but when I get to talk, I don't follow social expectations at all.The book truly is helpful in my case. This and The Laws of Human Nature by Greene. Applied correctly, they help me reach my goals with people.
>>24693283yeah, you are retarded
Confess your ressentiments in this thread.
>>24692496Why couldn't i be the next messiah?
philosophy/ers have been a net negative on civilization, and probably (as we know it) shouldn't be a part of academicsand i dont actually know what this french word appropriated for some faggot framework is supposed to mean
My looks are volatile. Posture issues, mostly. When I'm looking good the world treats me well and I'm gentle as a prince. When I'm looking like shit the world treats me as a leper (women) and a target (other men) and my heart is quick to fill up with hate and I start acting like a petty resentful grouch.
People have been yelling and screeching about Palestine in my neighborhood since 2023. I would like to kill them, but I can't. I guess that's the definition of resentment.
>>24692953No, you really couldn't.
I'm sick of determinism. What books can convince me free will exists?
>>24691576All sides in question were predetermined to care. All human thinking is part of the predetermination, you're going to think "should" and "could" as a pathway to action, but the pathway is set, you are merely walking it.
>>24694333Nah. People struggle with decision making all the time. The pain is part of the process.
>>24686559ok now read about neuroplasticity and the effects of focused attention
>>24694429Either the final decision is a product of prior causes (thus, predetermined) or it is uncaused (thus random). Both negate agency.
Literally the only people who genuinely care about free will are christcucks.That should tell you something.
Tips & tricks for sounding like I actually read this? Keep in mind I only need to trick women and dudes who read a few dozen pages and put it down and pretend to have read it.Are there any good putdowns that might just get them to shut up?
>>24695487>I only need to trick womenReading Pynchon doesn't get you laid. Reading Sally Rooney gets you laid.
>>24695514Skill issue
>Be me>Writing a story where Baal and Molech are the bad guys fighting a group of demigods.>Feed it to Grok in hopes of getting good feedback.>The AI tells me I should show more "cultural sensitivity" when depicting them because of their importance to Spanish and Middle Eastern culture.>The AI just told me to be nice to a god whose whole schtick is child sacrifice and the other one literally has child prostitution in his worship ceremonies as well as promoting human sacrifice.Do any human beings actually think like this or is Grok just that retarded?
>>24690540>>24690573I'm a 2010 "newfag"
>>24693354I miss wojak.
>>24692986There's no historical proof of this claim and Baal was a fish. Not a bull.
>>24690185Dont want to sound like a shill but use Gab. Its still a little retarded but it does avoid the globohomo thoughtcrime screening that Grok and friends do. Look at claude in picrel after I merely suggested linking an event in my polish crime drama to President Kaczyński's death. Even the possibility I could've veered off of the official narrative sent him into a rampage. Disturbing when you realize a lot of contemporary written works are being artificially cleansed of no-no ideas and suggestions in this way>>24692986You're wrong. Phoenician inscriptions reading "MLK" have been found in Baalic temples in both Phoenicia and Carthage. It is likely that Baal had a title relating to the Semitic root MLK (meaning king or owner), which the Hebrews loaned over as Moloch or Molech. All the obfuscations about him originated in Reddit fedora tipping out of seethe at the comparison of abortion to moloch worship. Its the same reason they run daily apologetics for Inca/Aztec sacrifices as well.
Moloch isn't a god, it's the name of sacrifice, the god was likely sometimes Yahweh.
how do you struggling wordcels feel knowing that you can't prove your authenticity anymore?total techbro/bugman victory
>>24693846Holy based. Blindness is the only way to counter-fuck the contemporary world. Unfortunately I lack the chutzpah to remove my eyes with hot spoon or similar method.
I care about talent, not authenticity
>>24693510@grok what does he mean by this?
>>24693506Why am I supposed to want to prove my authenticity? I know it. Get on board or don‘t.
>>24693523Good post. The art of writing well will be regarded as a frippery, will still be cultivated by the best.
/lit/ or not /lit/?
>>24695354Lolbertarianism is naive nonsense bought into by retards.
>>24695428You mean back when there was barely anything to go around and everything was still decided by might makes right? Lol.
>>24695428>0 reading comprehension Typical commieLARPer.
stay on topic please, i want to now if i am basedboy by reading this
>>24695490You’re “now” a retard.
Go here:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Random/FileFill a /lit/-sized textbox (3,000 characters) with writing inpired by the image you get.Attach the image to your post; if your textbox has room, include the Wikimedia link.>I don’t like my image.Then re-roll (there are quite a few duds), or write from another anon’s image.Please give feedback to others doing this exercise, which is as much about versatility as creativity.
>>24693140>others in the thread are doing amazing things that I can't even comprehend, let alone replicate/learn from.>Is it research? Practice? Technical knowledge? I genuinely don't even know where to begin.I was going to write to another image tonight, but answering this is a bigger challenge…There’s a sci-fi book I read recently that describes how 3-D objects viewed from the 4th dimension have infinite detail.Looking at a person from this higher vantage, an observer will perceive their hair, clothes, skin, nerves, tendons, veins, blood, organs, bones, and marrow all at once, all at the same time.To me, learning how to capably read and write was seeing each word like this, each as a unique, see-through person.The more you know about each word—its definitions; its denotations; its connoations; its synonyms; its antonyms; its homophones; its rhymes; its etymologies; its uses; its misuses; etc.—the more detail you can behold, and before you know it a simple sentence is moving like a waterfall past your 3-dimensional senses.Again, this was just for me.Every author in this thread had their own unique gateway, but the end result was the same: Filling up a textbox and sharing it with others.I think it’s a fallacy to believe that we each have a choice in what our origin story is / was / will be, but you absolutely do have control over this next part: Please keep sharing your work.That was probably the #1 enemy that kept holding me back.I’m not even saying that you necessarily need 10/10 advice or criticism from whom you happen to share with in order to improve…Just the knowledge that, somewhere out there, another pair of eyes—an alien brain, in an alien place, mabye even in an alien time—is taking apart what you so earnestly put together: THAT is one fierce motivator!Before I wrote all that above, I was going to simply and glibly say, “If you want to write good, interesting things, it helps to be a good, interesting person.”Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24693140>I just don't know how to narrow it down from 'your writing is so good how do you do it'.On a much less rambly note, definitively narrwoing this down for yourself is a good place to start, and for me there was no better vehicle than critiqueing.Simply articulating what you enjoy IS criticism, and it helps you as much as it helps the critique-ee—the former figures out what they like; the latter figures out what they’re doing right.But you have it in you to point out mistakes as well:This kinda incorporates what I wrote above about “formidable subjects,” but if you read and re-read a piece enough (even a piece you think is magnificent or unimpeachable), you will eventually come to notice some sort of inoptimalization, however small—be it a typo, or an awkward use of punctuation, or simply a wrong word you know is wrong—and that’s your starting point, that’s your first sturdy foothold up the mountain of offering “this-could-be-better” advice.My last post was much more of a challenge to write than one because I have answered a (much more metaphorical) version of this before on critiquing:https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24231006#p24264352^ I only include it because of I’m really proud of this line—>Of course, come on too strong and risk snapping what ought to nourished; hold back and risk the work's dying of thirst.Try to channel being a watering can when it comes to dealing with the fruits of others’ minds :)
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>>24673719I'd like to say while this thread is still with us, that I've greatly admired what you've managed with this writing cue.If you don't mind, I care to study it some,--it's wonderful. This is an example of compelling writing,--that's all I know.
>>24689789My dear markup-anon,I'm really grateful. This will serve to be quite constructive for me. You're treatment of the poem is so handsome(!) and was seemingly done much more attentively. Any flourishes and inspiration you detected in what I wrote came from me having Edgar Allan Poe in mind (in that it's macabre),--and it's mostly due to the fact that I just got finished reading Eugene Onegin. I'm not naturally inclined to poetry,--it will be a long time before I can really get a bearing I think.Thank you kindly!
