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All memes aside, is does picrel have any literary or philsophical merit or is it just a bible for larpers?
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>>24762374
>Organized crime is failure
Tell that to Mexican cartels who control bigger land mass than Aztecs ever did some of them already shaping politics too
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>>24764594
He's actually one of the few e-celebs with consistently good and original hot takes but I'm sure at least one of those hot takes made you have a fit
>him and raw egg nationalist are suspiciously afraid of criticizing israel for their US-enabled impunity
Literally when? He's said multiple times the West should disconnect itself from Israel unless Israel somehow makes themselves actually useful
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>>24764594
Can someone explain the leftist obsession with Peter Thiel? Why wouldn't they blame everything on Musk or the Trump Organization? Or Saudi Arabia?
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>>24766229
If you're asking for evidence you're not gonna get it kek. It's vibes based and thiel being an incredibly german looking neo-monarchist(?) billionaire means he gets boogeyman status from axewounders and mexicanos. Nick fuentes is also obsessed with him

Look I'll be real with you. I spent years reading theology, philosophy, buddhism, all that shit. Thought I was being so intellectually honest by deconstructing everything, making sure my beliefs could survive scrutiny. Built these elaborate frameworks where God is process and persuasion, where everything has to fit with science and logic. Felt smart, felt mature.
But here's what actually happened: I lost the ability to just pray. Like actually pray, not "contemplate the nature of divine persuasion" or whatever. My grandma would just talk to God like he was there and it *worked* for her. She had peace I couldn't touch with all my philosophy books. When her husband died she didn't need a theodicy about divine suffering and consequent nature, she just knew God was with her. And she was right, in the way that matters.
All that intellectual honesty? sometimes it's just cowardice dressed up. Couldn't handle the vulnerability of simple trust so I made it complicated enough that I never had to actually surrender anything. Kept God at arm's length where I could examine him safely. The philosophical God can't actually demand anything from you because you're too busy revising the metaphysics.
Yeah simple faith can be brittle, can be manipulated, whatever. But philosophical faith can be sterile. Can turn the infinite into a concept you masturbate over. At some point you gotta ask am i trying to understand God or control him? Because if your faith needs a PhD to function maybe you've missed something really basic that a kid can grasp.
Not saying everyone should be simple believers. But for me personally? the complexity was cope. Just fucking kneel, anon. The rest is noise.
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>>24765010
>But now that people are moderately intelligent
LOL

Fucking degenerate progress cuck.
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>>24763651
>tldr there's nothing real about anything you said.

Where is it?
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>>24766238
You are jewish.
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>>24766236
it has nothing to do with muh progress, the increase in IQ is a well documented and uncontroversial scientific fact
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>>24766250
>IQ
Shit no one cares about besides bugman technocrats. Humans are not machines, you imbecile.

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Multiple generations of students are being taught that they need to communicate in the ugliest, most turgid critical theory-speak to be taken seriously / be seen as intelligent. How do we defeat critical theory?
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>>24759194
Critical theory/lit theory was the biggest waste of time and the worst part of my English undergrad and the main reason I chose not to do a PhD and ended up studying business in grad school
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>>24759863
This was me in school. The longer I was in academia the more I realized it was all junk.
The people that go all the way with it and get PhDs and teach are truly too far gone
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>>24759783
Still smarter than her kek
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>>24759843
Horndogs
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>>24761383
Based black queen causing incels to seethe

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>worship the spine and its tingle
Is that a valid metric to assess the quality of literature?
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>>24765149
This ape trashed don quixote
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>>24766017
maybe don quixote isn't that good and you're overly attached to it because you desperately want spanish literature to be able to compete with english literature?
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>>24766025
Well, nothing will come close to english lit, unto the end of days, so that's not it... nabokov is russian by the way
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>>24765149
He just means be an aesthete and savor the small details.
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>>24766025
Not him, but don't talk shit if you haven't actually read Don Quixote. I am not some kind of Spanish lit enthusiast, the only Spanish classics I have read off the top of my head is that and El Cid.

With that in mind, it's a fucking great book. Not only do I consider it to be ahead of its time, I consider it to be ahead of our time. I don't think novels ever caught up to Don Quixote. I love how the characters are treated in it, and how the book itself feels like it warms up to Don Quixote by the end. You spend the whole book laughing at the tilting knight, but eventually the highlighting of the craziness of the world makes his brand of insanity seem like a reasonable response.

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200+ pages into this, Does it get good or should I drop it?
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>>24766174
Should I read another Dostoevsky book or are they all the same?
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>>24766102
If books don't capture me enough that I read them in one go I just drop them. And even like half of the ones I do finish turn out to be pretty meh in the end.
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>>24766102
Chuck it.
Dostoevsky believed in redemption through suffering, starting with his readers.
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It's Dostoevsky's best novel. Take that however you may.
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>>24766177
I vowed never to read fiction after I finished C&P, so I don’t know. I’m currently reading the first volume of Churchill’s War by David Irving alongside the Ars Notoria Matthias Castle translation.

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Why is this board full of leftists all of a sudden? I’ve noticed it a lot in like the past month. Their posts are very easy to spot since they are so shameless. Is there some subversion campaign targeting this board now in order to undermine discussion they don’t want happening? Pic related, some interesting books I’ve found.
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>>24765865
it's time to go back to twitter or whatever hole you usually browse, you deranged politics schizo
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>>24765865
absolutely delusional newfag btw
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>>24765869
he can't, elon filled his timeline with chuds telling him ywnbaw and it makes him suicidal
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>>24764150
>the most leftist
/co/, /tg/, /news/ and /lgbt/ are much worse
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>>24764150
>>highest IQ board on 4chan
>>has the most leftist
>chuddies...I don't feel so good
nothing in this post is true tho'

Is there a /lit/ vtuber or do we have to share Raden with /his/?
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Vtubers are for trannies and incels of the most deranged kind
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Raden reads but doesn't talk much about what she reads
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If you like vtubers you are a cuckold
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>>24766147
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy0vG28c3YUqsSU81x6F8V_ObLSS8nDZT

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I haven't read a single page of a book in half a year
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>>24765811
Based. A Lion does not concern himself with "reading" and gay stuff like that
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>>24765841
Letā€˜s see what you or he have done instead.
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>>24765851
I work like the best of bestest goyim slaves 12h per day. My rest time is for working out and on my weekend I was playing some games I had in mind for a long time, including now Silksong. I hope I'm getting back to reading soon
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Bruh, just read a single chapter a day before going to sleep. It is not hard to read a book a month this way.
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>>24765851
I watch hentai and jerk off. Reading? What is that?

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What is some good /lit/ youtube content?
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>>24766186
i love a girl who is attractive for her brain, not just her body
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>>24766186
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy0vG28c3YUoR-kSfv5h_j_hoPq9o7TRS

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This is not supposed to be some sort of gotcha, I am really intrigued to know where the line is. I was read the "Simile of the Saw" passage, and I'm unsure if Buddhism really is advocating for injustice to prevail.
>"Even if low-down bandits were to sever you limb from limb, anyone who had a malevolent thought on that account would not be following my instructions. If that happens, you should train like this: ā€˜Our minds will remain unaffected. We will blurt out no bad words. We will remain full of compassion, with a heart of love and no secret hate. We will meditate spreading a heart of love to that person. And with them as a basis, we will meditate spreading a heart full of love to everyone in the world—abundant, expansive, limitless, free of enmity and ill will.’ That’s how you should train."
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>>24765544
Compelling argument. This is somehow worse than the typical libertarian nonsense of "if everyone did X, than obviously Y." Which aside from being naive is just kind of dumb. Why must Y, how do you ensure X? What makes this worse is it holds itself as some deep spiritual truth rather than confining itself to the realm of politics.
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>>24766180
https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/ShapeOfSuffering/Section0007.html
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>>24765490
>malice is the product of suffering
suffering a product of clinging to malice
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>>24766180
https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/SublimeAttitudes/Section0003.html
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>>24765884
create a world that feeds on suffering and shits out freedom from suffering, peace, and wisdom then
when there is no suffering left, that world will suffer from hunger and eat itself

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Currently reading him, a german mystic(ish) writer from the late 1700s. anyone has read him?
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had a phase were i read german romantics from the 18-19th century. Novalis was one of them. I have read hymns of the night, some poems and heinrich von ofterdingen, that was an extremely comfy read, sad he never was able to write the sequels he planned. Thanks for reminding me. Hƶlderlin has sctratched the same itch if you search for similar authors or need recs
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>>24765417
Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_or_Europe_(Novalis)
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Bump for Novalis. I've been meaning to read Heinrich von Ofterdingen for ages.
Friedrich Schlegel and Ludwig Tieck are cool too.
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>>24765304
> anyone has read him

probably someone who can't geit laid and needs overcompesate with erudition.
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He looks like his bussy was well used

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Science kills faith because it slowly robs the world of the conditions where belief could even make sense. Once you start seeing the universe not as a stage for divine providence but as a system of impersonal forces and mathematical regularities the old framework collapses. The Christian promise of a purposeful cosmos overseen by a personal God gets hollowed out until it's just poetry without substance. What's left is this mechanistic machine-world indifferent to our existence where "meaning" is no longer baked into the structure of reality. That's why atheism and nihilism inevitably grow in the soil of scientific rationalism, it strips away the illusions that kept people anchored in hope. Nietzsche saw it clearly, the same devotion to truth that Christianity demanded ends up killing Christianity because science takes that demand to its logical conclusion. And when you stand in that stripped-down landscape you don't find God, you find a void. The more science advances the wider that void becomes until faith looks less like a foundation and more like a coping mechanism that can't survive its own children.
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>>24761977
IQ is a jewish psy-op to maximize binary-input output mechanisms in the brain to imitate a human machine. It has nothing to do with intelligence.
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>>24758817
And where did these "mathematical regularities" come from?
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>>24758817
It's the opposite, really. The more one gets into science and mathematics, and truly studies the fundamental nature of matter and the universe, it becomes apparent there's some logic higher than the material, which drives the universe.
Even if it isn't a Christian outlook, every real math and science professor I've studied under has had a genuine reverence that approaches mysticism about math and about science. To them, it isn't a way of becoming God through technological progress like the bureaucrats who get their hands on the fruits of their labors, but rather of finding and understanding God (and when I say God here, I mean the supreme fundamental principle of the universe), much the same as a philosopher does.
That the universe can be likened to a machine implies the existence of a machinist who designated it for some purpose. That scientific endeavors can understand the world at all through reason implies a rational basis for the world. The more science advances, the less one can separate physics and metaphysics, and thus the less one can deny that either of the two exists.
>personal god
If the supreme Being isn't personal, is He really supreme? If personhood is a higher form of being than non-personhood, just as life is a higher form of being than non-life, then a force is less than a person. God as some vague mystical force, some universal unconscious energy field, then, doesn't make sense. Perhaps God isn't a person in the way we would understand it, but that's only because He exists in a form that is more than a person, rather than less.
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>>24761980
>atheists still absurdly believe in morals
Nothing absurd about morals. Humans are tribal creatures, and every tribe has its rules. That's all that morals are.
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>>24766210
>the universe tends toward order
And why do you suppose that is?

Is the everyman library edition of this good enough or should I look at another? I hate footnotes being on the back of the book and if this is gonna have a fuck ton I want to know.
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>>24766038
It's the edition I've got, and I've been getting on with it OK.
All the same, the footnotes are fucking insane: in some cases they take up more of a page than the text.
The worst part is some snotty Christfag commentator called Oliphant Smeaton who insists on shitting up the book.
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>>24766071
I've seen this one but have no idea what the footnotes are like
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>>24766038
No, those cut out Gibbon's footnotes completely. Get the three volume Penguin release, that one supposedly keeps them. Will probably be cheaper, too.

>t. remember researching which edition to get a couple months ago
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>>24766038
Mine moulded really bad which is strange given that none of my other books have mold on them or ever have. I didn’t even have this problem with my other Everyman’s hardcovers
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>>24766194
They must be a different Everyman edition to mine, then.
Admittedly mine are hardbacks dating from 1936.

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>Easiest shit in the world to understand
>Westoids continuously "don't get it" and as a result, seethe and cope about it constantly

You're a fucking retard if you don't understand this book.
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>>24762914
Camus literally did the same what are you talking about
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>>24763614
The tides are the plainest possible illustration of how the Tao works: the Yin of the ebb and the Yang of the flow.
But it's not plain enough for some, apparently. Congratulations on getting filtered by one of the simplest ideas ever conceived. You're just the kind of retard OP was talking about.
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This chink samefag has no arguments in the face of historical fact and science kek he can only call people retards
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>>24762901
Bao Be Ling
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ā€œResistance is futileā€ Lao Tzu

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Can books radicalize people?
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>>24761689
>Can books radicalize people?

Radicalization isn't real in the sense that there will never be revolution. the "radicalization" they provide to the reader is only skin deep and can only ever be that deep because they will not, and cannot, change anything about the world.

A "communist", a "nazi", a "anarchist", a "revolutionary" all pay their taxes and kneel.
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>>24765268
I don't know what's sadder, that you genuinely spent time of your life that you are never going to get back typing this or that you used AI to make it for you. Or even worse, that you are not even creative enough and just copied it from someone else.
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Christian nationalism is such a crude joke. So youā€˜d deport jesus because he’s from the levant. Bravo ameriga
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>>24761842
Well it'd just be fox News, Twitter, Facebook and tiktok. Americans and rightwing people don't read.
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>Johnny Got His Gun
>Pro-Violence

Is this pic real?


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