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hizdahr zo loraq edition

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I like the theory that Victarion is dead and is now a fire wight
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>GRRM hates outlines and fanfiction
>GOT and HOTD are fanfiction based on his outline

Has he ever addressed this hypocrisy?
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>>24863773
>GRRM loves money
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>>24863946
and willing young pussy. The reason book 6 is never coming out because he has enough money and tail to never feel the pressure to work again.

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Greetings, /lit/.

For 2500 years, academics and spiritualists have layered their own feeble interpretations onto this text, obscuring its essence with jargon and dogma. We are going to perform an autopsy.

The Method: One page per thread. We will proceed with the patience of water wearing down stone.

The Goal: To collectively approximate an understanding of the Way, or to determine it is, in fact, brainlet-tier nonsense. Both are valid outcomes.

The Rules:

1. There is no "correct" interpretation. The first line itself declares this. The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao.
2. We're using the Gia-Fu Feng translation. Arguing over translations is against the Nameless.
3. We read one page per thread. Don't skip ahead.
4. We embrace the contradictions. We are here to feel the text, not just understand it.


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>itt striving against 道
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>>24862887
>>prohecting zhou dunyi neoconfucian cosmology onto the daodejing
>implying an influential and wellknown text such as the I Ching, thats all flexibility and adapting to anysituation, wasnt apart of the intellectual currency of the times and didnt at least subconsciously influence a text, thats all about flexibility and adapting to any situation.
You can't ignore the influence ones surrounding culture has on ones thinking, you just can't!
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>>24863651
No, the authors were of the daodejing were unlikely to be influenced by i ching very much. the dao de jing was written during the warring states period, there was no unified culture let alone a canon of which the book of changes would have been a part.
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>>24863801
>No, the authors were of the daodejing were unlikely to be influenced by i ching very much
Knowledge of yin and yang was acknowledged in the Tao de Jing (once is enough ;) ) therefore the ideas manifested the I Ching was known, even if the text itself was not
>the dao de jing was written during the warring states period, there was no unified culture let alone a canon of which the book of changes would have been a part.
So?
Warring states meant more cultural exchange thus more evidence that an influence took place. Thanks for aiding my case :^)
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>>24862244
as good as you'll get OP, the rest of the book is commentary on this

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So, what is the value of being a good person?
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>>24863628
Really he is both, so it does work both ways, but only from a secular standpoint he makes no sense.
Even from a secular standpoint imo it makes more sense to believe than not, but I only engaged with the argument as it was stated so I didn't get into that.
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>>24863511
Sure thing, Leo.
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>>24863352
The fathers that hit their children gave them brain damage. You can clearly teach without hitting. Love>Abuse
Sorry to hear about your brain damage.
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Ephesians 2:8-10
>For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Also refer to Romans 6.
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>>24864038
i used to wonder why people felt the need to include chapter & verse numbers in bible quotes. why not treat them like normal quotes, which you can just say on their own. then i thought, they would just look fucking stupid and nonsensical on their own. the fact that it's in the bible is what's important, not what's being said.

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How do I develop the concepts I think of into full stories? It's like having a cherry but I don't know how to make the cake.
What method do you use, btw?
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>>24863913
That's what I'm thinking about doing, but even then...
>>24863920
Yeah, I'm basically looking for a way on how to do so.

I've watched a video of a game developers/writer (Yoko Taro) which developed his own methodology for creating stories and suggested the listeners to make their own, but I don't know if I can...

Anyway, good night.
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>>24863881
You reminded me to write my screenplay.
I want to write something, give me an idea, I'll go on from there.
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>>24863932
just do it, stop giving excuses, if you have a concept give it a name, start with a character doing something related to whatever you think the concept is, then give him a setting, introduce other characters to reinforce or oppose the concept, then explore the concept through their eyes, other settings, etc, do this until it makes sense to you, etc, test it with other readers see if they understand, etc, i think you know how to do but are just not prepared for the work it takes to fully realize
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>>24863881
i wrote 7 books , most come from just trying 1. write out all various ideas and 2. finding a way to bind them under one idea then 3 finding out how to order them in the best possible story , there you go
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>>24863881
Just start writing. It will naturally take form as you write, and you can edit the parts don't fit in at the end.

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>provides the most surface-level commentary on subjects he doesn't really seem to understand
>stunted vocabulary
>constant use of malapropisms and improper grammar/sentence structure
Is it just because he's American or what?
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>>24861272
You dont look like Al Pacino.
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>>24862322
>your opinions no longer carry weight.
You actually cared about retards on this site?
Ngmi
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cumgenius where are you friend
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>>24860683
Malta mentioned
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How do I expand my active vocabulary? I understand a large amount of vocabulary, but my ability to use it is really lacking, or I only think of a better word after the moment pasted.

and why is it ancient Greek?
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>>24854898
>"learning" homeric greek
nigga theres only two books, just memorise the words
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>>24859224
where I can look for those arabic traslations of the greeks, wanting to learn arabic
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>>24858763
>>24862586
Why do you want to learn Spanish? I'm surprised anyone would want to learn it.
It's my native language, just in case.
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>>24863843
It's used in cheap vacation countries, it's useful on a resume if you live in the southern us, there's lots of books, films, and tv shows in spanish, and it's the easiest one to learn (besides the west germanic languages but those people usually already know english anyway)
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>>24862014
Because of its alphabets and word order system, Ancient Greek enables understanding of cases, Latin and English itself. This covers most of mainland Europe.

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>>24863993
>Elite
>Bisexual gooner
>Murder/power fetish
He's an elitist who predicted the merchant class sex addictions and fascism
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>>24864002
>Elite
He was a based class traitor who supported the Revolution.
>Bisexual gooner
He was a based sexually liberated man who did not cower before prudish mores.
>Murder/power fetish
He was a based free spirit who understood that moralism is used as a tool by the powerful to repress the powerless and keep them enslaved by their own inhibitions.
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>>24864012
The middle class "revolution"
His liberty to debase was all that he preached
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>>24864016
>The middle class "revolution"
Yes. In 1789 the industrial proletariat were still in too weak a state to mount their own democratic revolution, so they had to join forces with the bourgeoisie, who, of course, then stabbed them in the back. But, it was ultimately still a progressive and earth-shaking historical event that is celebrated by every intelligent individual.
>His liberty to debase was all that he preached
If he was only interested in his own liberation, he would not have bothered writing so many books extolling the benefits of a liberated lifestyle. He clearly wanted to spread his freedom to others.
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Are there any concise biographies on this man? I want to read about his life but not exhaustively.

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Did the Greeks understand the morals of the Greek myths?
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>>24864028
yeah obviously, they were pretty on the nose. though not all were moral tales.
unless you’re actually talking about homer who often had to hide his intentions.

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>folds the moment a competent historian debates him
Y-Yarvin bros... what happened?
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>>24859478
>rational arugment/logical coherence of ideology is what drives history
Lol.
lmao.

If this were true Marxism would never have gotten off the ground with its fundamentally retarded ideas about idyllic primitive communism (soul crushing tyrannical absolute rule of the crowd by way of taboo).

The dumber your idea is, provided it is sufficiently obfuscated, the better. Land and Yarvin are on the path to glory as advocates of the next retarded thing.
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>>24859748
>Chinese was always a man in a box?
>Always has been.
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>>24863904
>Brick walls never collapse. Too solid. They're literally stacked in such a way that they cannot come down.
>t. knower
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>>24863222
Not really, it has much more room for grammatical nuance.
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>>24862493
>but maybe it is actually the language?
The actual language is grammatically like caveman english. When people say Chinese is a "hard" language, they are talking about vocal tones and how time consuming it is learning hanzi (chinese characters) and vocabulary.

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Im about 100 pages in and while it’s well written and enjoyable this feels like a YA book. I read The Remains of the Day and found it fantastic and so came into this kind of blind, purely off of Ishiguro’s name,

I mean, honestly, this would have been better served by being a comic so far with how visual some of it is.
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>>24862734
It's a bit thin.

One problem is that it doesn't really know what story it's telling.

Is it a basic "child befriends robot" tale? Hard to make more than a short story out of that.

Or is it all about a robot trying to formulate its own philosophy / religion? The title suggests that, but it never goes anywhere.

Or is it another dystopian morality tale? Children divided into HIGH and LOW, "messing with nature", etc?

Or is it a psychological drama (the mother aiming to replace the child with the robot)?

It can't quite decide, and in the end it goes nowhere. It just doesn't have the weight you would expect from a supposedly serious novelist. Klara is quite appealing but that's about it.
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>>24863017
All of the 'Is it?' items are really just some dressing to the main thrust of the book, which is that we (or Klara, at least, but based on most of Ishiguro's entire oeuvre I think we can extrapolate) can only find real meaning and happiness in helping others. Klara, who is less self-deluded and more objective than any of Ishiguro's other narrators, is happy at the end of the novel as she fades away, because she lived consciously and unselfishly.
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>>24863017
Did you enjoy the Buried Giant?
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>>24862734
I can't remember the exact sequence, but later on there are bits where the visual process breaks down which definitely benefit from being written
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>>24863455
So they eventually explain why she sees things in boxes?

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so are you faggots even aware that the best science fiction novel of the twenty-first century was finally released in english today?
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>>24860184
Truth.

Pic related is almost the same book. Are they connected somehow?
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>trans
Stopped reading. Nope. Not for me.
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>>24863027
>160 pages? I might read this one afternoon.
WOW LOOK AT ME IM SO SMART I CAN READ SO FART
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>>24862598
They shipped me schattenfroh which is the same size if not bigger with no issues
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>>24863899
160 pages on a Saturday afternoon isnt a flex bro

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How do I really get into neoplatonism?

I want to be a wizard.
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>>24863860
Yeah but what's a good read order?
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>>24863820
>Plotinus, Enneads
>Iambichus, Theurgy and the Soul
>Iambichus, De Anima
>Iambichus, De Mysteriis
>Proclus, The Elements of Theology
>Sallust, On the Gods and the World
>Chaldean Oracles
>The Emerald Tablet
>Corpus Hermeticum
Read these and you will become a theurgist
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Thanks anon, time to start wizardmaxxing
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>>24863820
Go backwards from Plethon, Mirandola and Ficino.
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>>24863874
Also listen to dungeon synth

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>earth was peaceful
>then came women
Is Hesiod the most incel author?
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>>24863212
I’ll respond to you because you’re right and I deserved to be called on that, but I won’t respond to his appeal to authority. My critique of that book lies in its fundamental premise that literacy flipped the dominant structures of society itself and that now we’re going to “switch” back, or whatever. I don’t disagree that literacy “changed” society in many ways, but I’d argue that it was more equivalent to an inherent discovery or the development of a technological tool as an extension of our inherent selves. In this case, communication. That society was always and will always be this way, and that each advancement made, including literacy, was, is, and will be made to increase or advance this society and that any raising/lowering or balancing the structure of this society is of little consequence to the foundational structure of that society. Why I dismissed it as retarded is because I think anyone who thinks about it for more than two seconds should also quickly come to that conclusion.
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>>24863318
never read it, but it reminded me of a quote by an english poet i read:
>logic, from the greek logikon, means 'something which has been arranged in words.' since words never wholly cover the phenomena to which they are applied, those who rely on pure logic cannot be thinking truly.
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>>24862589
He was most likely married and had children. Being around women doesn't really make you dislike them less.
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>>24862589
This post is retarded and wrong on so many levels I could write a dissertation on it.
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>>24863684
Pandora's box makes much more sense if you consider that she's the first woman

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Do cute twink guys browse this board? Apologies, but I get this impression sometimes browsing here.
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>>24861114
haha OP I love froggo XD
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>>24861114
yes and they all read Mishima
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Who was your first (male) crush, /lit/?
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>>24861114
I used to be but my looks faded quite early so now I'm only a balding manlet, but I was cute in my 20s
Also mind you I mean I was a twink appearance wise. Never partaken in sodomy. I have crippling hemorrhoids
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>>24862738
I want to be Mishima down to the suicide aspect but it would lack originality and authenticity. Sucks knowing I will never be that cool.
>>24862745
adam lambert unfortunately

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In retrospect it was kinda obvious
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>>24863694
crazy how he can just put "posted about neil but not by neil" on his twitter and bluesky, then log off and all the normies forget. easy way to escape cancel culture heh
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>>24863857
>"call me master"
Cringe. Any retard that says this as a sex thing needs to be shot.
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>>24863964
Same
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>>24863694
If the police showed me a picture of every famous person and launched an in depth investigation into each one I said was a rapist, I bet my accuracy would be above 80 percent.
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>>24863694
No shit.


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