>Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archivehttps://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreadshttps://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffgPrevious Thread: >>23561133
first for zyzz
Second for bakker
I like progression fantasy and Chinese cultivation novels
>>23569453
>Rage of Dragons book 3 when>Gentlemen Bastards book 4 when>Kingkiller Chronicles book 3 whenThis shit should be illegal and Authors should be charged with a felony when they cant put out books on a good schedule.
I bought Jade City. It was a mistake? Not even the English edition.
>>23569466I thought it was okay. Nothing great but nothing bad either. I would rate maybe 6.5 out of 10. Worth reading if theres nothing else that good on your list.
>>23569401TRUTH SHINES
What's the actual verdict? Kino, slop, or in between? I don't expect it to be better than Martin or Baker, I just want some relatively recent fantasy and I'm kinda burnt out on le edgy grimdark.
>>23569489slop and gets worse as the books continue
9/10 Fantasy Kino, only hated because its popular
>>23569509>>23569489
even reddit started to dislike it
>>23569407No grown man should ever make this expression outside of a Home Alone reenactment society.
>>23569489slopkino
Im going to take a cold bath while reading The Heroes, which is my comfort book. This is going to be a very comfy experience in this heat wave. Later bros.
>>23567822Pretty sure he was more or less done with Conan by the time he offed himself. He seemed to be switching to westerns as his main focus as >>23568140 said. Though I would imagine there'd be nothing stopping him from returning to his older creations in a timeline where he lived to old age. I can see him spinning an "Old Man Conan" yarn in those hypothetical twilight years.
>>23569475So many booktubers gave It a 5/5 stars ever single time. Ouch.
>>23569561Well thats just my opinion, lots of other people liked it more so theres a good chance you will enjoy it. I did think it was worth reading, just not a top tier book
Requesting Dragon rider kino>Bound and The Broken is letting me down with multi-pov slop and all the kids from the village deserve to be dead from retarditis halfway through book 1
>start the Neverwinter saga>Expecting the average Drizzt book>And here's several pages of rapeJesus Christ I feel like I've been hit by a truckLike it's been there before but not so graphic
>>23569407More than his taste, his problem is that he reads like a woman. He does not analyze or visualize anything, he reads like in a competition with other booktubers (he admitted this) or just listens to audiobooks.That's why he never did a really good review. At most a small summary of the work.
>>23569463>I sincerely apologize for cyberbullying you
>>23569523Reddit only hates it because Sanderson is a Mormon and there aren't enough gay trannies in his books
I always thought the Jaffa Free Nation would be a great setting for a sci-fantasy epic
>>23569608Wanted the same when I tried that book series. It was awful. I have never read a book so uninspired. I would rather read eragon again
What books best capture the feeling of "dark fantasy" without being grimdark?
>>23570103Goodkind's The Sword of Truth kinda fits
>>23569407at last we know the type of person that reads bakker
is there any fantasy story that follows the bad guy trying to stop the chosen one?
>>23570435Yeah, it's actually a big trend in the east at the moment where Otome Isekai novels pretty frequently do the put in the body of a book/game's villain and have to stop the protagonist character from getting you killed plot setup.Then you have stuff like black company and practical guide to evil where the protagonists are on the 'evil' side and chosen ones turn up as threats. I'm sure there's examples that fit even better than these though. Maleficent Seven was a recent pov book which might have a chosen one but from what I recall that's more of a getting the band back together kind of story. (I didn't finish it)
>>23569489I liked the first and second one, but it feels like an anime rather than an epic fantasy. I can appreciate it, not everything needs to be so darkly serious, but his pedestrian prose really got to me in the third book. The main reasons I liked the first one were the struggles of the main character and the catharsis of his attempts to escape slavery, but once he started getting superpowers it lost a lot of its bite.
>>23569523Is this true? What happened?
>>23569552Good choice.
>>23569489It's literally 90% filler and 10% kino. It has a nice hook at the start and the last 100 pages great but honestly I can't fucking remember anything in between that.
>>23570466book 3 and especially book 4
>>23569489It's very readable fantasy that anyone can get into. That's where the Marvel of fantasy comparisons come from.
Alright I'm starting to love the terrible plot direction of the wheel of time I'm almost done with the dragon reborb and the schizophrenic way the plot develops is becoming entertaining in and of itself.I'm sure it'll be better on reread, when you know why some random shit happens. But reading through it the first time, it just doesn't work.
>>23570466book 3 is when he edited it himself, or didnt have the same editor, or something like that. it was bloated, unironically rehashed character arcs from the first two books, and meandered.
>>23569489>>23569504>>23569509>>23569548>>23569561>>23570461>>23570466>>23570470>>23570506>>23570603>>23570610Great posts anons, very original but just started three body problem and i'm wondering when does it gets good? are the witcher books any good? Only played Witcher 3 and the netflix's series. Just started Eye of the World when does WoT gets good?? Any books like dark souls/berserk/Bloodborne??? Any books like FF/Dragon Quest/Tales of..??!! Any books with N'Wahs?Kvothe is a cuck, will slob Martin ever finish winds of winter??? Abercrombie is Reddit-tier?? Are the dune sequels worth it or should i stop with god emperor of dunc? Should i read the Hyperion sequel???? Did severian fucked his grandma? Is severian a clone? Any books with chinks? Any books like fallout/metro? Any books where the mc gets cucked? Any books where the mc Doesn't get cucked?? Stormlight book 5 when? Will kaladin fuck the fairy?? is the Eisenhorn trilogy a good place to start with W40k??? Or should i watch 4hours YouTube vid about le EPIC lore??? Any books with young petite women? Any books with old thick women? Any books with MANLY men like David Gemmell? Soulcatcher or Lady who is the better waifu? When does malazan gets good?? I didn't finish highschool so i can´t understand Malazan?!?! Any books with chinks??!! When does ASOIAF gets good?!?!? When does Farseer gets good?? When does lightbringer gets good?? When does codex alera gets good???? When does Lord of The Isles gets good?? Dunsany is king or bakker?? Any books with incest?
Feels like I've read or at attempted to read all the popular or big name stuff. shill me some good sci fi or fantasy books you legitimately feel are obscure, forgotten or otherwise underappreciated.
>>23570103try Throne of Bones by Brian McNaughton
>>23570732Brian Aldiss, The Eighty-Minute Hour
>>23570732I posted this last thread. Bought it just because the cover and premise sounded good and it ended up being really fucking kino. Not super original but every element it uses it uses extremely well especially telepathy (villain is real piece of shit psychic bad guy) and Starship Troopers / Spartan super soldiers. The author only did two more books that were barely connected to this, and then vanished from writing forever.
>>23569489Only the first book is genuinely good, the author just shits on plot lines to have tie ins to other works of his
>"There’s nothing wrong with fans speculating about what’s going to happen, but it’s annoying when they suggest that I won’t finish it, or say there’s no chance of the new book coming out"George R. R. Martin, April 2011.http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/gimme-some-sword-ndash-hold-the-sorcery-2268831.html
>>23570823>Some writers enjoy writing, I am told. Not me.George R. R. Martin, February 2009https://grrm.livejournal.com/69850.html
If Sanderson is so good why hasn't he had one of his books adapted yet like he desperately wants? Checkmate, Sandershits.
Give me a recommendation for some high fantasy kino with excellent prose, interesting worldbuilding, and well written battles.
>>23570778>two more books
>>23569489Kino, and I will not apologize
>>23571003You might as well ask for a trillion dollars
I am going to vomit
>>23569489Agreed with >>23570470 and >>23570506 .It's an okay book to get started on epic fantasy for teenagers who aren't very used to reading. Straightforward prose, okay story and worldbuilding. But characters and dialogue aren't Sanderson's strong suit, and if you've already read better authors it doesn't have that much to bring to the table. And it's too long and kind of repetitive in the middle, a problem which I'm told gets even worse in later books.
>>23571003Belgariad
Cowboy xianxia when
>>23571219When the last chankoro is strangled with the guts of the last weeb.
>>23571241imagine being french unironically in the year of our lord 2015 + 9
>>23571271A broken frog hops twice a day.
Does Perdido Street Station get less annoyingly communist? I liked the Scar.
>Holy, Roman, and an Empire.
>>23569489If the bridge brigade sections were turned into an anime or a manga this site would hail it as a masterpiece
>>23571318>CHYNA
>>23571219>when you have cultivated the art of drawing faster than your own shadow
>>23571329>muh moments!
the slog of slogs
>>23569489>Kino, slopfuck off retard
Secret princes make up like 1/4th of all fantasy, huh?
>>23571003The Second Apocalypse series by R. Scott Bakker
>>23571818And usurped rightful heirs another 1/4.
>>23571318Are you misunderstanding that passage?the khepri woman is complaining about how much she hates the socialistoc society of her peers. She wants to be an individual.Frome what I remember there isn't really much other "communist" talk so you should be good if you can make it past that
Serwa is my waifu
>>23571841I was including them in secret princes. But yeah, that's a large portion too.Even cases where the main character isn't secretly a prince or princess, they will still be part of a family of a highly respected position. Like I was just reading this trash book the other week, and it featured "the resistance".(another cliche) And the main character was the daughter to a couple of resistance leaders. With the way the way everyone gushed over her parents, and how much her lineage afforded her, she still ended up sounding like a usurped rightful heir to the resistance.
>>23571003>Jun Suemi's artniceHeralds of Valdemar main story arc (Book 1 to 18) by Mercedes LackeyJun Suemi did the covers (and interior artwork in some cases) for the japanese editions>https://www.goodreads.com/series/56074-valdemar-publication-orderBelgariad and The MalloreonFionavar TapestrySong of AlbionCycle of Fire, Wars of Light and Shadow by Janny (heh, janny) WurtsDragon Prince and Dragon Star trilogies by Melanie RawnThe Wayfarer RedemptionSwan's War TrilogyChronicles of Hawklan and Chronicles of Hawklan SequelThe Chronicles of Thomas CovenantBook of Words by J.V JonesIf i remember other series i'll post them
>>23572060Easily one of my favorite Japanese illustrators
The most time-honored cliche in fantasy fiction is the map. Post some you like.
Is David Eddings any good?Fantasy sections of used book stores here are filled with this guy
>>23572101That's not a cliche. That's an object. You might as well call a sword a cliche. I swear to fuck, whole generation sees literally any goddamn thing an immediately goes full retard to to act genre savvy.
>>23572101
>>23572104Belgariad and The Malloreon are good, but he was very very bad in real life!
>>23572104His books are classics for a reason. Though I think the last book of the Tamuli is a bit underwhelming compared to the first trilogy. >>23572109The Eddings repented of their sins after being duly punished for them as the law prescribes. They did their time and reformed.
>>23572113>>23572109What he do?
>>23572120locked their young son in dog crate and beat him, the cops actually walked in on him beating the shit out of the kid when he was arrested on the spot
>>23572120He and his wife adopted a kid, then used that kid as a domestic slave and beat and caged and underfed them. Cinderella type shit. No sexual misconduct was alleged in the crime, but the child abuse was undeniable.
>>23572121Well. Dang. Eh. Still. He's dead now.
>>23572108That map on the right almost exactly the map from Abercrombie's world.
>>23569384What stories will give me the impression of pic related? I want to relax in another world bros...
Just watched a video about the prehistoric history of the DND races. Are there any fantasy books set in prehistoric times that have different races?I feel like the kind of fantasy world that has different races sort of has to pop into existence in vaguely medieval times, I don't think you could really do all these different races existing alongside each other without complex society and technology because the biggest and the most intelligent would just genocide or at least breed out the lesser races unless somehow they had no contact until a point when they'd be on even footing.
>>23569489Everything Brandon Sanderson creates is high quality slop.He is prolific but he's not producing quality.It's like going to your reliable 6/10 local takeaway because you know what you're getting and it will fill a hole.The Stormlight Archive series is shite though.
>>23572182>Just watched a video about the prehistoric history of the DND races. Are there any fantasy books set in prehistoric times that have different races?I'd recommend Edgar Rice Burroughs. He has a lot of lost world/cave people stuff. Might not give you a bunch of fantasy races but you'll get some.
>>23571818American authors just fundamentally don't seem to get how monarchies and/or revolutions actually functioned.It's weird because euro authors focus on them a lot less too.
>>23572182Tchaikovsky has a series that's like bronze age with snakemen and the like alongside humans
>>23571842I see it as “I’m mad at the members of my oppressed minority who benefit from capitalism under human (white) supremacy and don’t complain while their poor oppressed sisters are starving in muh streets”Just repackaged reeing at muh uncle toms muh ghetto police muh asian women who marry white people
>>23572197Don't drag this to international politics.
>>23572197Those who don't know anything can do anything. Those who know something feel limited to what is.
>>23572197American schooling teaches them that monarchs were all despots for all of recorded history because it's a part of their foundation myth that they broke away from the 'evil' British monarchy.>>23572215He didn't.
>>23572215It's more of a publishing industry issue than a political one.The us publishers mainly take submissions from domestic authors and for some reason they absolutely love the secret monarch/revolution plots. When I read fantasy new releases that's 50% of the market in any given month.
>>23572232>>>/int/>>>/bant/>>>/pol/This isn't the place to discuss American education. I just wanted to bring up a funny little relatable anecdote about fantasy cliches.>>23572238I really don't care of the US is responsible for 50% of the material, or 100% of the material.
>>23572242We're talking about American authors here and the roots of some of their shortcomings.
>>23572257No, *I'm* talking about secret princes being a cliche. And this is my post >>23571818I have no desire to play the international blame game. I don't care how many authors from such and such country is to blame for cliches. I'm telling you, I'm opting out of the direction you want to take the conversation.
>>23572266I don't really give a shit about what you want out of this conversation you fucking monkey.
I'm looking for western novels with an ugly bastard as the protagonist. But he must be ugly throughout the novel, I'm tired of eunuch writers who can't keep their characters ugly. I'm fine with r*pe but not cuckoldry. Please help me sirs
>>23572285In the Farseer Trilogy the protagonist is attractive but thinks he isn't and constantly gets the wrong end of the stick.
>>23572285Don't listen to the other anon. The Farseer Trilogy's main character is handsome and gets cucked.
>>23572289I literally said he is attractive you dumb cunt.
>>23572297Yeah, but you undercut it with "he thinks he isn't and constantly gets the wrong end of the stick".The anon says he's looking for ugly bastards. Not self loathing pretty boys.
>>23572300Yeah no shit but your comment literally added nothing since I already addressed it in the first half of mine.
>>23572285The blade itself has glokta or gorka or whatever. He's badly deformed and ugly from torture. He does not recover from his ugliness
>>23572309I guess I didn't adequately explain why your recommendation is bad. But your recommendation is still bad. So don't catch an attitude. Me telling him to not listen to you might be enough for him to avoid your bad recommendation.Dumb cunt.
>>23572315>dont catch an attitudelmao hard boy over here.Rock hard for his own shite opinions.
>>23572322It's not about being "hard", it's about being humble. Instead of instantly name calling, maybe just question the lack of information in my post. If you came at me like "I already said he's attractive", then I would simply amend my first post with more information. But because *you're* rock hard for *your* own opinion, you got angry and started name calling.
>>23572197It's a broad subject and one needs to study and research it to understand it. Many authors (American and European) know very little about various monarchies of the world but they think that they can write entire books about it using their surface level knowledge.
>>23572330>its about being humble
>>23572330Namecalling is how men communicate lad.
>>23572108I love world building. It's a terrific way to put off writing my novel.
>>23572343Thats toxic masculity man.
>>23572348Don't be a pussy, ya cunt.
>>23572311>gorkakek
>>23572347I used to write novels and then delete all trace of them after a full reread.It was a very zen experience, like creating a mandala.I'd still do it if I had more time.
>>23572343I'd take it on the chin if I was actually being retarded. But if you're the one being retarded, then you should be humble. Thing is, often times you don't know you're being retarded until you ask questions. That's why you don't come out of the gate with name calling. Because then you set yourself up to look like a gigantic cunt. Being humble from the start is just the smartest move to make for both parties.
>>23572348No it's masculinity, the toxic ones are the faggots who can't fit in with other men.
>>23572360>Create a world. Create a people. Mandate and control their lives at your very whim. Make them laugh and suffer for your own amusement. And then erase them as if they never mattered at all.Is this what God feels like?
>>23572362Sorry mate but if you expect me to read your whinging then at least format it better.
>>23572197
>>23572386>Three lines is improper formatting Social media has rotted your brain.
>>23572386If you had no response to what he said you should have just not replied at all. Using an excuse like that just makes you sound like a little bitch.
>>23572285The original Lancelot tradition of Arthurian literature has him being basically Ron Jeremy, someone who is physically repulsive but still has all the women gushing over him.
>>23572391I'm not turning my neck for the sake of your post.>>23572391>three linesWhat screen are you on?It's one very long line.
>>23572399>What screen are you on?A computer screen. Like god intended.
shut up and talk about sff books
>>23572404For it to be 3 lines with size 12 font you'd have to be on 1280x1024 or something man.
>>23572384>Create a world. Create a people. Yes>Mandate and control their lives at your very whim.No. The very moment I created people I lost interest in them. The world still exists only because I've been busy with other things and haven't had a chance to erase it.
>>23572418Is the BFG considered science fantasy?
>>23572384In a way it's more godlikes than you imply because I am not moving them about according to my will but have the ideas for their movements gifted to me by my muse which I then translate into text.They move themselves within the framework I provide.I'm a gardener not an architect.
>>23572426sure, better than schizos ranting to each other
>>23572399>It's one very long line.I'm on a 1080p monitor like god intended. It's only 1 full like and a remaining 1/3.You must be on some autistic 1440p shit.
Would (you) read my gnostic* xianxia story, anon? *not actually gnostic
>>23572476What?
>>23572418This is repulsive Do you guys really get turned on by fat and old women
>>23572488you don't?
>>23572476>gnosticsHow much incest are we talking?
>>23572492La creatura...
>>23572488Hag board.
Uh oh Conan lovers, how do we respond?https://youtu.be/ojTV8wQ6BxI?si=0yf2JefPyMhFfR-V
>>23572551he looks like a goblin
>>23572551Bookpileld is prejudice against fantasy books in general not just conan. his scifi reviews are good tho
>>23572499filtered>>23572511This, /lit/ and specially /sffg/ is a milf board. Hag Supremacy
>>23569392what did he mean by this
What are some good themes for a heroic fantasy book?
>>23572707One of the chief elements of heroic fantasy is the emphasis on individual prowess: what determines a man or woman's success in battle is his or her sword (or club, or axe, or armor, whatever) and his ability to hit the other guy with it. Anything resembling strategy or unit formation, or really involving any of the 10,000 mooks that compose an army doing anything but being slaughtered by the aforementioned hero is utterly beneath contempt. There is no heroism without the hero doing the heavy lifting. What Achilles does matters; what the Myrmidons do does not.To this end, detailing the special abilities, ancestry, upbringing, gear, personality quirks, and other such individual attributes and accoutrements should be preeminent in the writing thereof.
>>23572743Thanks, this is the kind of thing I was looking for. I think heroic fantasy appeals to me because I've always been a loner who doesn't get along with people.
>>23572751And when I say "what the myrmidons do doesn't matter" I mean that quite literally: heroic tales mean that the activities of churls has no bearing whatsoever on the outcome of the plot except insofar as it invokes the hero to kill them. They are either chaff to be swept away or cheerleaders to provide local color. The hero (or heroes) are the only figures that matter, realism be damned. There are no such things as the continental army or minuteman - George Washington singlehandedly writes the Declaration of Independence, flies to England on the back of a giant Bald Eagle, and beats King George III to death with the flag of Betsy Ross. That is only a slight exaggeration.
>>23572174There's Aria the Animation, if you don't mind watching something instead.
>>23572828I wouldn't argue that they DON'T MATTER completely so much as they don't matter in a way that's germane to the larger point of the story. In "The Hour of The Dragon" Conan's army and generals aren't insignificant but the story is ultimately about Conan his escape and him reclaimingg his kingdom. Other characters can and will either impede or assist as the plot demands but is ultimately a story purely about Conan. Compared to say Lord of the Rings where you certainly have quite a few heroic moments and heroic figures the battle and what's at stake is ultimately about something larger than any one of them. Lord of the Rings is about the fight for middle earth. Conan is about the fight for Conan. And I want to add that while the stakes are often more personal this doesn't always need to make them selfish. Or imply the characters can't be more altruistic in their focus, see Solomon Kane, but ultimately I'd say it boils down to a matter of scale and perspective even if they're doing something heroic and seemingly big.
>>23572828>>23573003I've always loved that scene in FMAB where a random nameless soldier shoots Wrath.https://youtu.be/W7LToIf8Fks?si=OdP9NThFNtqNgCax
>>23573021Shut up.
>>23573033We're on sffg don't act superior lol.
>>23573057Don't act inferior. Just because you hate yourself doesn't mean we hate ourselves. You little nigger bitch.
>>23573057Don't pretend the board sucks because you do.
>>23573147This board tricked me into reading Malazan. I'll never forgive them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTk5wHX4n8M&list=PLLTPndCul60FpqJMOSnAMDt2vJ1ZLAvFV&index=1Kino?
>>23573167>falling for a ritualposterYou literally, unironically only have yourself to blame.
well that was grim
>>23573414you read a book written by a woman
>>23573143What are you talking about?
>>23569465oh no. I've just started reading lies of locke lamora; I didn't realize it was one of those series with no new book in over 10 years
>>23573476Well, it's got 3 books, and the trilogy's end isn't terrible.
>Don't drag this to international politics
>>23572488Zoomers have very low standards for anything. Or they're Americanmutts.The site is total shit during Muttmerican/sudacas hours.
>>23573534Why do you think about us so much?
Moar contemporary authors like Schweitzer? I want something new to read of similar ilk - already read the older stuff (CAS, Vance etc). The Mask of the Sorcerer was amazing, Shattered Goddess good but not at the same level as Mask.
>>23573414>imperialism is... le bad!!
>>23573558Yes it is. What's your point
>>23573610nta but its the equivilant of a cavemans grunt>i- its bad! its gruuuh! ugg! me no like!!! grrr!!!
>>23573540Piranesi. I have one big caveat: the pacing is shit. But Clarke is one of the more interesting contemporary fantasy writers I've readYou may also want to try The Spear Cuts Through Water which comes with a differennt caveat: It includes a gay romance and the audience is metanarratively lectured about how chudservatives try to tell the story without this element
>>23573414I know nothing about this book but that cover is beautiful.
>>23573624>Piranesi.I found the concept fascinating going in, but the novel itself rather dull. Probably had to do with its glacial pace (as you pointed out) despite only being like 180 odd pages long. The only interesting character was Piranesi's companion, and the setting could have been fleshed out so much more. If you're going to leave the setting (the House) abstract, I would've played up the surreal elements far more than she did. I went in expecting something tonally similar to Mythago Wood or even House of Leaves (similar premise) but found something not at all eerie, unsettling or even wistful which is totally what I was expecting and wanted from the novel.JS&MN was a much more interesting read. And much more engaging to read from start to finish, despite being like 800 pages longer than Piranesi.
>>23573654House of Leaves has been on my radar for awhile, do you think it's worth getting a physical copy for the cool typography or is it more of a novelty?
>>23573666It's integral to the story
>>23570086>EragonI've seen the movie ages ago but not read it, it any good?
>>23573746No.
>>23573746It was written by a 14 year old.
Is she right /lit/?Take into account that she is a literature professor or some shit like that.https://youtu.be/xUGUP64oSOM?si=jVijMED67ouEp1Hz
Kino.
>>23574122I was gonna read this to my kid, is the whole series worth it?
>>23574186It's great, but it's a kids series in the way that Watership Down was a kids movie, as in it can be horrifically violent at times.More YA than kids honestly. I mean shit, Taggerung is about a family getting murdered by bandits, who kidnap the child and essentially use him as a slave, who grows into a man, learns of his heritage, and in turn murders all the bandits and reclaims his father's heirloom from the dying hands of the bandit who murdered him.
>>23574200observe, this is how pussies are made
>>23574200Sounds based>>23574200What?
>>23574200I read these books in middle school. Quit being a bitch.
>>23574319I literally said "More YA", which is middle school. Quit being a retard? There's a difference between middle school and a literal toddler who cannot read. Well usually, anyway. Maybe not in your case.
>>23574322retard
>>23573003>Lord of the Rings is about the fight for middle earth. Conan is about the fight for Conan.You've certainly captured one of the major themes of heroic writing.
>>23574328This is a pretty stupid take. The fight for middle earth is about the various characters.
>>23574200You're not being a bitch here, anon, don't listen to the guys with their superior Spartan education. Kids don't actually understand the fucked up stuff they're reading and if they understand a bit, they tend to forget about it. I remember reading the uncensored Grimm fairy tales as a child and being a bit spooked but forgetting about that. Or the Greek myths and legends where the random god incest made me pause for a second and then continue like it was nothing. As adults we give more than two seconds' thoughts about this kind of stuff, but kids are mildly inconvenienced at most, if that even happens.
>>23574341LOTR isn't about the individual heroism of any one character, in fact the author explicitly defies it when he has Frodo fail in his quest and seize the Ring for himself, which he then fails again when Gollum bites his finger off and trips into Mount Doom's crevasse. The entire series is about motives and acts of self-sacrifice, which are fundamentally anti-heroic themes in the classic sense. Now after 2000 years of Christendom in Western thought, it's hard to escape the moral compunction to believe that these selfless behaviors are what constitute heroism and the selfish ones are not, but the classic tradition tends to remove grand philosophical concerns from the table in favor of personal motives, and this is one of the defining elements distinguishing "low" (heroic) fantasy from high fantasy.
>>23574342you have no idea what youre talking about
>>23574370Self sacrifice is in the iliad you PSEUD.
>>23572104>Fantasy sections of used book stores here are filled with this guyThere's a reason for that.
i told him that he is brown
>>23574386For what end? I don't think Agamemnon sacrificing his daughter to propitiate the gods for his personal success in battle is quite as idealistic as the sort of motivation that propels High Fantasy, nor does Patroclus' willingness to stand in place of Achilles so that he might thereby gain greater personal glory in battle.
>>23574719It wasn't strictly for personal success, it was to appease Artemis and be able to actually go and fight with the entire host. Which does entail personal success, but it's broader and includes a few more factors. Otherwise I can't remember self-sacrifice either.
Whore after all.
wow forgot I had this image still saved. heaven's laws is fun
>>23572101What happens here?
>>23575018That's where the 30 Leagues of Scale maintain the Map Legend.
>>23572101I don't even look at the maps anymore, I just skip right over them.
Janny Wurts thoughs?
>>23574122Kids are never to young to learn about Siege warfare
If I want something to scratch that Conan itch, would Edgar Rice Burrough's and Moorcock do the tricK?In my research, these seem to be the two authors that people mention the most when talking about stuff that scratches the Conan itch.Are there any more you can recommend?
>>23575457ERB is great.
>>23574995>divine cultivatorstopped reading hereeat shit and die
>>23574995why can't w*stoids avoid this shit
Just read Conan Hour of the Dragon, that shit was cash, my favorite part was when Conan was in that Stygian Pyramid and then afterwards hearing how the antagonists are being BTFO by Conan after he returns and it's not from Conan's POV. It makes Conan feel really cool and superior to the antagonists.
I really, really, really enjoyed Red Rising. I bought all six books paperback first for my first read and then lent them all out and so I'm buying a hardcover set to keep in my library as well. I also have the audiobooks and the dramatizations and have listened to it a few times.I enjoy the characters, my favorite character being Virginia. Though I also enjoy Apollonius, Darrow, Antonia, Victra, and Atalantia a lot.I'm looking for more series to read and enjoy. I enjoy the gritty nature of Red Rising, the harshness of the power politics but the human endurance to try and be good and make the world better even if you have to drag everyone forward like screaming retards.I'd love suggestions on good series to continue reading. I read Dune recently as well and enjoyed how nobility was portrayed in it. I love when human nature and politics is handled "presumably realistically". I've heard the First Law series is good and might check it out.I'd enjoy some series with more fucking than exists in Red Rising so far. I liked the part in Three Muskateers for example where he fucks the hot blonde Milady DeWinter. I'd love more stories with psychopathic noble women who are actually smart ruthless and intelligent but are also nuanced characters with goals.I love Virginia for example because even though she's got a lot darker edge to her sometimes she is still genuinely good. Her scenes always make me more emotional than they really have any right to.
>>23575487"People" who don't like Conan shouldn't be listened to about anything
>>23570732Black Sun Rising by C.S. Friedman Curse of Chalion by Bujold Chronicles of Master Li and Number 10 Oxthe Conquerors trilogy by Timothy Zahn, the Crown of Stars series by Kate ElliottDeathstalker by Simon R Green
>>23575481Because westoids are total coombrains.
>>23569608it improves after book 1 which was amateur shit.
>>23575478>>23575481The cuck in the image is being mocked by one of the main characters.
>>23574995
>>23573666As the other anon said, it's important to the story. Grab it physically if you want to read it.
>>23575498First law series is top tier. I think you would also probably like the Suneater series.
>>23575563Is it an isekai novel, why is the main character talking like a modern day American? Why can't he mock in non retarded non coomer way?
An illustration I commissioned for my WN.You might say, "fuck off, post this on /m/", but much like /v/ with video games, or this very board with literature, /m/ actually doesn't like mecha.I was mad that puppet users never seemed to make puppet armor.
>>23575457Karl Edward Wagner's Kane series is in a similar vein and might scratch that itch. It's a little on the edgy side, but not to the point of being too weird or gross.
>>23575622Who cares about your illustrations? Post a chapter or two (or five) so we can read it.
>>23575619That's chink writing retard lmao
>>23575637It's "Retribution Engine", up on royalroad. Go ahead and glut yourself.
>>23575619Well it isn't a main character but one of the more important side characters, specifically the maleMC's father; and no, it isn't an isekai.
>>23575649>>23575668What novel is that?
>>23575653>Then came a vibration, a sound that roused her into consciousness.Chapter 1, second paragraph and I see this? What is this? Is the mc a female?
>>23575708Yes. It's in the tags. And in the synopsis. And on the cover.
>>23575715>female mcAre you the author? Why do you do this shit?
>>23575738I wanted a western cultivation fic with a strong big lady in it, and one that wasn't woke trash. Didn't find any. Decided to do it myself. Simple as. It's right there in my author bio. I am my target audience.
A reminder that dungeon crawler carl, despite being a part of cursed and low effort genre, is amazing and you should read it. That is all, have a nice thread
>>23575772dungeon cuck carlalso reddit humor
>>23575782>everything I don't like is redditPeak midwit take
>>23575803I was referring to le heckin catto mascot and other similar humor which is undeniably reddit
Read Tenebroum
>>23575830what's it about
>>23575649The author is American, prose is also typical American prose.>>23575668>not isekaiIf it's not isekai then why does speak like he just got isekaid from Florida?
>>23575889But it's chink literature. He's writing in a genre invented by chinks, in the style of chinks. If a negro writes a medieval fantasy novel about white people, it doesn't become black literature.
>>23575899He may be writing eastern cultivation (or trying to) but it definitely isn't in the style chinks. His writing is distinctively American.
Anyone have a good winter/ice n snow kino for me? Already read mountains of madness something like that would be nice.
>>23575757Is she at least written from a male gaze perspective
>>23576000Probably. I didn't make any effort to do otherwise.
>>23576003Then I will give it a shot
>>23575690I said it in the original post: Heaven's Laws. That excerpt is from the second book. There are currently only two books out.
>>23575834idk I never read it
>>23576062either gay sex or chinks, the two things /sffg/ loves
>>23576095the only kind of gay sex that is tolerable is lesbians, specifically lesbians obviously written by and for straight men
the only sex fantasy novesl should have is incest
>>23576095No, it's not tolerable, any kind of coomer shit goes straight into the trash.
>>23575457ERB's John Carter doesn't have that same sense of scale as Conan imho. I found the first few books to be pretty standard adventure stories. Conan is part of a very lived in world that I'll gladly spend a few hours reading wiki entires external to the stories. Moorcock's Elric was designed to be the anti-Conan, as is frequently pointed out in this general. In terms of tone and atmosphere, I found it similar to Conan. The first two books were my favourite: Elric of Menibonè and The Fortress of the Pearl.
>>23575457Check warosu :)
>>23576130Anti-coomers are so fascinating. Like, who hurt you? And why do you feel the need to think everyone else should be as hurt as you are?
>>23576171>erm, but how does this affect you personally??? like?? who hurt you???This is the gayest, limp wristed post I've seen on here in awhile.
>>23576184>no argument
>>23576188Correct, there was no argument offered to begin with.
>>23576193Right, so the question remains.
>>23576171I don't care about you. All I want is fantasy and scifi without coomer shit.
>>23569384How come there's no chart for Westerns?
>>23576215Because you're a deeply damaged person who needs therapy.
>>23576221How did you come to that conclusion?
>>23575653Man, you need an editor on this shit.
>>23576260Aversion to sex is quite literally a mental illness.
>>23576276Jacking off to words is not sex.
>>23576280>jacking offThis is what anti-coomers actually believe. Why? Because they have an aversion to sex and therefore don't k ow how nornal people operate.
>>23576276I have no aversion to sex though... but coomers are obssesed with it. That is unhealthy.
>another 30 posts of "no u" until bump limitepic!!!
>>23576293Sure, okay.
>>23576287Completely incoherent post. Your atrophied brain cannot even string together a logical train of thoughts.
>>23576321Calling something incoherent, just because you don't like what it says, is a mental illness.
>>23576300And then we can start all over again
>>23575803>midwitNot a word. You're a child.
Just started Chronicles of Amber, I’m on book two at the moment. What’s everyone’s opinion on the series?
>>23576300What'd you think general threads are for?
Is Warhammer fantasy worth reading?
>>23576828The William King novels are, the rest aren't. It takes King a bit tl really hit his stride with the series though, it's not really until towards the end of the Karak Eight Peaks plit that he really starts to make the characters his own.Granted, that's only like half a book.
I'm really trying to like this book, but the book isn't making it easy to like. I want to like this one, because I liked the authors other book The Tainted Cup. Foundryside on the other hand feels amateurish. though I just looked it up, and it's far from his first published book.I just really don't like the whole slavery angle. I really don't like slavery plots. I'm learning that about myself. Now that I've read a couple books where the main character is a slave, I can say I really don't like how these kinds of stories play out. I don't want to deal with the themes of oppression and trauma. And characters shouting "You don't know anything about what I've been through! You could never understand!" And all the angst. It's all so awkward. Makes me want to cringe.The protagonist is not quite the assassin girl cliche I brought up in previous threads, but she's close. She's yet another short, and inexplicably skilled thief type of character. Unlike the other assassin girl cliches, she has dark skin as opposed to pale skin. I guess you could assume she's black, but it's not entirely explained what race she is. She's just vaguely brown skinned, and a former slave from a plantation. One of the things that really annoyed me, is that the author described one of her reactions as "going pale". Because it's a mistake that a lot of white authors make about dark skinned characters. They don't really account for the fact that dark skin doesn't change color that much. You're not going to detect a noticeable paling or blushing to reflect emotion. So it's a bad descriptor. But he wants his tumblr brown muscle tomboy with triggerable PTSD to dress down the white characters, and tells them how bad their system is, so he can make heavy handed messages about privilege, so that's what he's going to do.I don't know. It's not a terrible book. I may be being a little too harsh on it. But I'm also debating if I want to even finish it. I've pretty much given up hope for the remainder of book 1 getting better. But maybe book 2 will be better? I don't know.BTW, the main character has the same personality as that Forespoken girl. Just kind of dickish and irreverent, but not in an endearing way. And then she randomly gets triggered her past and makes snide comments about classism. She's not a pleasant character to spend time with.Just like the Forespoken girl had a talking artifact, the Foundryside girl has a talking artifact. What a coincidence. He managed to make Flopspoken before it came out. Oh, and to add to the tumblr parallels, he's totally setting up a lesbian romance between the main character and an upper class white girl. Not that interracial lesbian relationships are inherently bad. But I bet he was inspired Korra. A bad show.
>>23576906Sounds like generic Current Year soapboxing. Why are you even reading it?
>>23576828Malus Darkblade series is OK if you like dark elves and quests.
>>23576910Like I said, I enjoyed one of the author's other books, so I gave this one a chance. I'm now debating if I want to finish it. I stopped halfway through. Just earlier today is when I read the part where she has a full PTSD meltdown, and it was so awkward.
Any actually good cyberpunk outside the like 10 works which get mentioned over and over and over again?
>>23576971are you including The Fortunate Fall by Raphael Carter in those ten?
>>23576971are you including City Come a-walkin in those ten?
>>23576971Cyberpunk is like nu-metal. There are two or three authors/bands which not only created the genre, but also popularized it and at the same time ended it. Then there are hundreds of copycats which read/sound similar to the originals but are always inferior to them and not worth getting into.
>>23577054For me? It's Street Cultivation
Actually good sff:>The Hobbit>The Time Machine>The Stars My Destination>The Broken Sword>Conan>Dune>Snow Crash >Neuromancer>The Shadow of the Torturer>A Game of Thrones>The Darkness That Comes Before>Hunter vs Hunter>Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind>Assassin's Apprentice>Titus Groan>Solaris>Cloud Atlas>Black Leopard, Red Wolf>Lovecraft>Borges>Dick>Jack Vance>John CrowleyFun sff>A Wizard of Earthsea>Swords and Deviltry>The Knight of the Swords>Fevre Dream>Neverwhere>Ender's Game>Blind Voices>Bridge of Birds>His Majesty's Dragon>Lord of Light>The Forever War>Illuminatus!>The Pastel City>The End of Eternity>Earth Abides>The Crystal Shard>Soon I Will Be Invincible>Spaceman Blues>Vonnegut
>>23577124Is this a joke?
>actually good sff>a game of thrones
I wonder if REH would have liked Lord of the Rings if he lived long enough to read it. Tolkien only ever spoke briefly about REH but it seems he had read his work and found them (or at least Iron Shadows) rather enjoyable.
>>23577141I saw it being posted in another thread and decided to post it here.
>>23576828I've enjoyed the Malus Darkblade and Witchhunter books I read.
The American revolution but it's xianxia
>>23576828Gotrek and Felix is fun until it completely shits the bed in Giantslayer. It's so bad I suspect workplace politics were involved. Nathan Long is okay but it's a completely different vibe.
>>23569489I couldn't make it past the first page. It was my first time reading Sanderson, so I wasn't aware his writing is as stale and lifeless as an old corpse.
skepta or jme?
>>23577328So ten million Americans and British die in a month, and no one suffers a lot of losses?Also at least one Imperial Heir is hostaged, gelded, or killed?
>>23577497I know nothing of xianxia and little of the American Revolution but I'd love to see all those ridiculous names for the Founding Fathers.>Twin Son of God's Peace
Again the books arrived damaged. I love living in a place full of diversity! Of the five books I bought over the last three weeks, all of the fantasy books were damaged and I have to return them. The classics and history are almost impeccable. They really want to kill fantasy.
>>23577526You could just move to the countryside, anon
>>23577526then just read classical fantasy?
Some anon here recommended The Book That Wouldn't Burn a couple threads ago and I already had it on my TBR so moved it up. Finished it and it was damn great, fantastic setting and some really good twists, most of which I hadn't seen coming. Got the next one coming in the mail and really hyped to read it. Are Mark Lawrence's other books any good? This was the first of his I read and I'm interested in checking his other ones out now too, should I just read his other series in publication order?
>>23575772I started reading it a couple days ago and almost done with the second book now. My first LitRPG and I'm loving it. This is how you do humor in a book. not like Discword which is painfully un-funny
>>23577657
>>23577646Mark Laurence is a pretty good author who is held back because he wrote Prince Of Thorns and scared the hoes off. I've seen dozens swear off him entirely because they read the first 2 chapters and couldn't take the edge.Nevertheless. The broken empire series is good of you can forgive the edgy main character. And while I haven't read it, The Red Queen's War takes place in the same world and is apparently better then the main series. You don't need to read broken empire to enjoy it.
>>23576836i tried reading dcc. the braindead 14 year old american humor is just so awful. is it worth slogging through?
>>23575498This post oozes faggotry.
>>23575803He's right, you know. DCC readers are all reddit-tier faggots.
>>23577646YA slop.
not typically a fan of sci-fi but when its combined with fantasy like shadow slave and defiance of the fall its quite enjoyable. any other decent ones you'd recommend? i enjoy the whole universal politics and faction aspect.
>>23576801Legitimate worst series I've ever read. If you can at all quit while you're ahead, do so now. You'll regret it bigly if you finish book 5, let alone book 10
>>23578888>>23578888>>23578888>>23578888NEW THREAD WITH BLESSED QUADS!!! NEW THREAD!!!
>>23569407>jew promoting BakkerI'm thinking dropped
>>23578280No
