Wizards fucking shit up Edition>Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive>https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreadshttps://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffgPrevious thread:>>23950725
Bakker is KING.
>>23962363First post, best post.Truth Shines.
Posting my magnum opus
>>23962379This reads like some dry translation of a Japanese VN, but I think that's the nature of the work.
Why don't I like him? I couldn't finish Rama and now I don't really want to finish this, just started the second act. I thought this was gonna be amazing
>>23962408Because he is boring as hell, anon. You've got to be a special kind of nerd to actually enjoy science-fiction of that era.
>>23962408Clarke's writing definitely has a dry, lethargic aspect to it. It's just the matter of whether you feel like the content is worth the mind-dulling form it's presented in. If you don't then really you don't losing much, just Rama is enough familiarity with Clarke to maintain your sf cred.>I thought this was gonna be amazingThe Big Three are less of top class authors, and more guys who stuck around the longest, won the most awards, got published on the best pages of the best magazines, influenced a shitton of other authors, helped people with writing and publishing their works and were overall pillars of the English SF community (and also were not fundamentally insufferable repugnant proto-/b/tards like Ellison, who otherwise beats them on every count including actually better books). They are not the masterpieces, they are the gallery halls where the exhibition is held. Reading one short story by Clarke gives you a better understanding of his era of sf than reading full bibliographies of several smaller contemporary authors.
>>2396240890% of classic science-fiction is mogged brutally by classic fantasy - and the best classic science-fiction (Dune, Solar Cycle) is fantasy-adjacent. Just make the switch to being a fantasychad and don't look back.
>>23962651>classic fantasyMogged by PKD and Lem. Fantasylets need not apply, we're full so stick to Harry Potter.
>>23962354https://pdfupload.io/docs/732ad14f
What are some whimsical adventure novels? Things that aren't edgy or cynical.
>>23962697Obligatory Earthsea
>>23962689>a blank page after the title>another blank page after the introduction>another one after the table of contents LITERALLY UNREADABLE
>>23962758They're for your doodles and reflections.
I recently finished the entire Black Company series by Glen Cook. Any recommendations in the same vein? Meaning gritty stories about less than galant mercenaries or adventurers.
>>23962795Kane, by Karl Wagner. The protagonist is an evil sorcerer-warrior, and the antagonists are the heroes trying to stop him.
yo so i started readin The Wheel of Time right i was hyped cuz people say its like this epic fantasy thing but man listen lemme tell u somethin i smoke a blunt every night tryin to relax and keep up but like bruh there’s just too many people like u got rand n mat n perrin n like 20 other ppl all doin different stuff in diff places by the time i remember who’s who im lost again i swear i gotta be googlin characters every two pages its wild
>>23962651iI's more a case of there being less genre defining SF compared to fantasy. You're looking at a much wider spectrum compared to Tolkien and Howard, for example.
>>23963039it takes a while to get going, nigguh
>full week since DCC7 has been out>STILL no upload
>>23963113It's been uploaded in the usual places and I've been reading it.
Navigator's Children when
>>23963221Tomorrow?
What audiobook do I read next if I like ASOIAF, and First Law?
>>23963250I had hopes epub's would leak already
What does /sffg/ think of Joe Abercrombie? I enjoyed the Shattered Sea trilogy.
>>23963275He's the Tarantino of fantasy: vulgar, dialogue heavy, tastelessly violent, always with a twinkle in his eye.
>>23963275I don't think about other men
>>23963275Peaked at The HeroesRapid decline ever since
>>23963113Still waiting for Fury of the Gods.
>>23963039Ey yo cuz I agree. I finna get a girl to buss quicker than I get to rand's shit, ong all this bs bout what this white boi doing with that other bitch ion care fr fr it get gud tho bud
>>23963221Coming out tomorrow Nov. 12. Super hyped for it but the only thing bumming me out is that I gotta wait for the paperback edition to come out cause I'm a sperg who can't have different editions on the book shelf
should i give ryan one last chance?
>>23963446whoops
Is there a chart or list of dark fantasy novels?
>>23963429fo real bruh
I personally love reading YouTube writer books. They lack so much creativity
Finally finished the Dune saga and I don't know what to do next. Call me a pleb but I've never been affected by genre fiction this way I just want to load up into a no-ship with my desert waif and escape off into the unknown universe finally free of Gods and men to chart my own destiny
>>23963648That sounds so gay
Hey guys, David Stewart here.
>read fantasy novel>Always about some young fuck causing a rebellion against some tyrannical empire>Never about a soldier from the empire trying to stop these filthy commies from destroying their livelihood Why? Give me one book with the perspective of someone loyal to the empire
>>23962354test
>>23963759You're clearly reading too much YA, anon.
>>23963762I swear YA is like a decade away from totally replacing core fantasy and SF. YA is simply much easier to read and your average person has, what, 7th grader reading skills at this point?
>>23962659>Mogged by PKDPKD fucking sucked and wrote for volume
>>23963759A creative mind and thinking in the abstract aren't personally traits conducive to being a bootlicker
>>23963759Probably many alien invasion stories will be like that. Not reading any story personally, but I'm watching the TV show Falling Skies right now and it's fairly pro-America.
>>23963820Wait I just realized technically this show and other alien invasion stories fits both because America is on the losing side, but it's also an Empire v. Empire situation. Maybe Starship Troopers is less like the former and more like the latter if you want to be more strict.
>>23963253Book of the new sun for scifi fantasy stuff though honestly it gets more like lord of the rings with how philosophical it gets in later books. You’ll especially love it if you got into the behind the scene story stuff that happens in asoiaf
>>23963649Read gene wolfe. Yes I am shilling but I need something to do after reading urth. Need to do a reread of book of the new sun
>>23963777Don’t black pill. Things have really changed after the lockdowns. You have a lot more fresh faces reading older peak fiction
>>23963122>uploaded in the usual placesIt has not and blatant outright lies do not make you fit in, newfag.
>>23963961>He doesn't know.Been reading it since a few days ago.
>>23963961If Mobilism isn't one of your usual places, then you're doing it wrong.
>>23963364idk The Devils sounds fun
>>23963648They say you shouldn't judge a book by its cover but I think this cover says a lot
I am wondering what would be the most recent example of something like Jirel of Joiry. That is,- Bad bitch female warrior protagonist.- But not a gender-swapped dude in terms of personality.- No-nonsense pulpy adventure, free of ideological drivel.- Psychedelic Horror / Weird Fiction elements inspired by Clark Ashton Smith.
>>23963391Fury's been available on Anna's Archive for like a week at least, anon
>>23962758Try printing it as a booklet
Any good sf books with nuclear power being dominant?
Is Tarnsman of Gor really THAT bad? I liked Barsoom and Conan and it doesn't seem all that different from those.
>>23964006I was looking for a new thread and did not notice the update yesterday. Turns out I have brain damage!
aight so i’m deep in Wheel of Time series now the world big as hell jordan really went off on this one every book feelin like a whole new story but some parts lowkey feel kinda racist too like he writin certain ppl a type way u feel me
>>23962408It's by no means great, but I thought it was worth slogging through the second part to experience the third.
>>23962363Please elaborate
>>23963783You take that back you dog or I'll fucking relapse!
>>23962363yo if bakker is king then he rule over a land of confusion
>>23964463I look like this and say this.
>>23964469Thas right
>>23964487Me on the left
>it's another "meat jelly and gay rapist parrot have sneaked away and gotten into some mischief" chapter
>>23963253Halp!
>>23962354A little while back, I was stuck in a fiction rut. Some anon posted a list, and Gormenghast jumped out at me. Didn't really stick, interesting characters and plot but everything was such a goddamned caricature. Doomscrolled for a week and one of you beautiful bastards recommended The First Law trilogy.I can't remember the last fantasy setting so compelling. The lore, the fucking LORE. The world is built from fleshed out characters and believable events. Magic is rare and when it hits it feels like something that upsets the balance and is unfair and it's great, because that's how magic should work..I'm halfway through Red Country and I don't want to finish it because I'll be adrift again, never to see such sweet shores.
Does anyone have recommendations for fiction that>takes place on a world that isn't earth, but is modern-ish (late 1800s-1900s)>has supernatural elements>ACTUALLY uses the technology of that era.I have gone through 3 consecutive series that have modern urban noir elements, nation states, steam engines, yet everyone wears leather DND armor and fights with swords and crossbows.The one perfect example of what I'm looking for is the Atomic Sea series, which is a self-published series which meets all those criteria and delivers with astounding imagery and worldbuilding. Unfortunately every character is uniquely, terminally unlikeable and the story gets ridiculous later on.
>>23964778>takes place on a world that isn't earth, but is modern-ish (late 1800s-1900s)>has supernatural elements>ACTUALLY uses the technology of that era.Clockwork Rocket
>>23964778John Ford's 'Aspects'Great stuff that fits your description, but he died before finishing the first book of what was planned to be a multi-volume series. The first book is close to done and is good reading, if a bit dry. If you've read The Dragon Waiting it is similar in style to that.
>>23964811>>23964944thanks, I'll check these out
So where can i download it? I'm from Russia and all cards are banned here. I wish i could buy it but i simply can't.
>>23965062Well you should've thought of that before you invaded Europe, maybe you can steal a copy from the next village your cossacks raid lol
>>23965064Yeah yeah whatever.I'm actually have full collection of his books in russian and some in english.There were 2 new books in russian from his new tri(4)logy BUT then war happened and now we will never get localization of final books.Tad has nothing to do with modern politics. And so am I. And yet HIS AGENT fucking shit up and not allowing to sell rights to Russia.
>>23965068That's a pretty cool cover actually
>>23964811Man, that series was a letdown. Egan really fucked the ending up.
Is Russia a third world country by modern standards
>>23965068You shouldn't dignify the mindbroken current event retards with an actual response friend.
>>23965068See if it shows up on annas-archive. I assume it won't take long.
>>23964778Brian McClellan's Powder Mage Trilogy? The first trilogy he wrote was awesome, the next one... not quite as good. Haven't started the latest one.
Want to go home and start Navigator's Children. I've been on this ride for 30 years.
>>23965310I got through The Dragonbone Chair last year but struggled to get through the next book, is it worth pushing through?
>>23963777Slop consumption has always been a majority thing so tuere's nothing new there. It could be argued that the slop 100 years ago was a lot more high brow than now, though.
>>23962697The 13 1/2 Lives of Captain Bluebear
>>23965372If you don't like it, why read it?
If I want to read the Drizzit novels, which one do I start with?
>>23965406Maybe I was just in a weird place. Maybe it gets better after a slow area. I really liked the first book, just found the second a bit of a slog.
>>23965412Have you considered reading them from the beginning?
>>23965452Fair enough. I guess I was confused as to which one was the first one.
>>23965470The Silver Shard, that's the first book that was released. I see your confusion now, since there was a prequel trilogy written after the Icewind Dale books, but I read them in release order.
>>23965372Just straight up: MS&T is by all intents and purposes, a slow burn. It's one of my favorite fantasy series but just keep in mind that it is definitely "slow". I love all the buildup, worldbuilding, adventure that happens in between but the climax of the whole series (To Green Angel Tower) is pretty awesome.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kzXnmnWVJmoFound this random vid and thought it did a good job of explaining why there's virtually almost no men reading, especilaly in the fantasy space. For whatever reason, it didn't become crystal clear to me until I saw the shelves the dude in the video presents; literal shelves filled with romantasy slop and (MAYBE) a small sliver of something dudes would like, and even then most of the times it's sanitized bs and Sanderson
>>23965505And all the covers look the fucking same
>>23965519Yup. Same exact shit in my local bookstores and for whatever reason it didn't completely dawn on me. I was so used to reading older stuff and buying on thriftbooks that I completely forgot that tradpubs actually do marketing, just not for us.
>>23965062I'm from Ukraine and I know where to download it.Anyway, this guy >>23964006 has the right answer. Дaльшe caм.
>>23964164This. Everyone's already read it.
>>23963649Read Sun Eater
>>23964006Private trackers are superior.
>>23965573Can you just upload it somewhere if you have it?Or you hate russians because of the war?
>>23963039If you're complaining about too many characters by Eye of the World then stop reading right now because there is no way you'll keep up with the series.By like book 4 or 5 I've completely given up trying to remember all the characters.
>>23965626Yeah, mate, I hate Russians because of the war. Wouldn't you? That's just /sffg/ solidarity.Anyway, mobilism is a good site to know and to use, it's totally free. If you are a cack-handed guy, I can help you and copy links from mobilism:https://devuploads.com/pzzc5vil47sbhttps://www.up-4ever.net/wqa2fsoskub1
>>23965641Okay i have it.Thanks.Btw > Wouldn't you? No it's just politics. Usual stuff. Do you hate north koreans too? They are the victims just as we are.
>>23965660>No it's just politics.Yeah, mate, if a missile hits your home and kills your family, I would gladly listen to your explanations about "it's just politics".>They are the victims just as we are.Just fuck off.
I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but are any of the 40k novels worth reading?
>>23965680> if a missile hitsAnd? 99,9% of russians has nothing to do with it.You should ask European countries why they directly financing this war from day 1 and buying gas and oil from Putin and giving him all money he need to produce rockets. Also ask them why all russian oligarchs and ALL Putin family live in Europe like nothing happened and they are spending stolen tax money no problem here.>Just fuck off.Yeah sure whatever.
>>23965710Those with highest ratings on goodreads, for example. You can try to read The Horus Heresy, just select books with ratings over 4 (it's discontinious series about different events during the heresy). On the other hand, you can choose by author (if you want to read book from the 40th millenium). Aaron Dembski-Bowden, Dan Abnett and Chris Wraight are considered as consistently good authors.
>>23965724>deflects>da joosHe's right, fuck off.
>>23965724NTA but whataboutism is a bad argument. Europeans aren't bombing and shooting his people.
>>23965710You don't know if sffg is the right place to ask about sff books?
>>23965743He thought we're like sirens, acting like we know about sff books but actually killing every single new person that opens the thread.
>>23965724There are reasons why people don't feel particularly sympatethic towards you (pic related). While I recognize that you as an individual bear no true culpability in regards to the imperialism of your country and recognize the awkward position you find yourself in due to what is likely a very good book not being available to you and hope things work out for a fellow Tad fan, I am still left with no choice but to tell Russia to go fuck itself.You had the misfortune to be born into a nation that is the cancer of the world. I hope you will not be sent to the front and that you may one day read a legal copy of The Navigator's Children.
Guys, let's stop talking about it. Are there comfy books with atmosphere like picrel? Maybe some magical realism if not urban fantasy.
>>23965680You know they try to drum up feels by putting that some kids died>less than 1 year old oh lawd Q_QI'm sure you didn't give a shit when Klapistan was bombing the sandbox and raping their kids because of "muh oil".I will continue to read russian litrpg and you and your bio ukraine labs can fuck off.
About to begin the Aspect Emperor after a year's hiatus since finishing Prince of Nothing. What to expect? Why the 20 year time-skip? And is there any other comparable Dark Fantasy or non-standard fantasy/sci-fi out there that's actually worthwhile and not mindless sexgore and murderhoboism?
>>23965801Skin Eaters' POW is GOOD, all other's are shit.
>>23965801>non-standard fantasy/sci-fiThe Dying Earth genre (someone, post the guide).
>>23965835Everything in that chart except Gene Wolfe is unreadable oldtroon coal.
>>23965878Vance anf Shea were very cool and pleasant, and I'm going to try Viriconium next.
>>23965159Egan cannot into endings.
>>23965890>VanceThe biggest meme of this thread. >Dying Earth>the setting is just whimsical high fantasy, makes no effort to establish any references that this is, in fact, Earth in an impossibly distant future >terrible prose with character names like Flibbidy Floobiddy and dialogue written for performers at an American Renaissance Fair. It's another example of pre-New Wave 1950s coal that was grandfathered into being accepted as classic for arbitrary reasons. People who unironically compare this shlock to BoTNS have dog brains.
>>23963759>Give me one book with the perspective of someone loyal to the empirePlenty of this in Malazan
>>23965710I've tried so hard to get into warhammer novels as I like both 40k and warhammer fantasy but I just couldn't. Not one ever met my ridiculously low literary standards. It's almost like Games Workshop pulls random people off the street and makes them write a book for $200
>>23965938>makes no effort to establish any references that this is, in fact, Earth in an impossibly distant futureIf some ancient Greek would have written a book about the Los Angeles ghetto, in the most realistic version (like IRL) there would be no references to Ancient Greece too. And that's only 2500 years.For the first time I read Dying Earth this year and I loved it, it reminded me about my dreams, my childhood and marvellous structures which I saw in my childhood.
>>23965996>If some ancient Greek would have written a book about the Los Angeles ghetto, in the most realistic version (like IRL) there would be no references to Ancient Greece too. ...what? >BoTNS>awesome scenes establishing continuity with Earth, like Moon landing picture, or Jonas talking about Kim Lee Sung>oblique references to recognizeable technology acting as further references and reinforcing passage of time >use of Greek and Latin vocabulary for alien and otherwise termsThat's fucking awesome and how you do "Dying Earth", which is why everyone likes it so much. >Tales of Dying Earth>Hullo, it's a me, Flibbidy Floobbidy, glork plork to you my dear gentlesir>shit 1950s fantasy goes on for 400 pages>....>it's good because.... uhhh.. it's like a picaresque or someshit... it just is ok? Reddit oldtroon coal
>>23966049>...what?You can't find almost anything about Ancient Greece in modern routine life among modern ordinary people. >Moon landing picture in billions yearsUnbelievable.
>>23965626You can sign up for mobilism with a burner email.>>23965938Vancefags are just normalfags who read one book series and feel the need to bring it up endlessly like a sports team. As the Wolfefags do, the GRRMfags, RI/Bakkerfag, etc.
What is this threads opinions of Gods in fantasy? So you like them as characters or the unknowable/conceptual type?
>>23966199I like the unknowable type that are hinted to help/comfort the MC when he needs it most
>>23966199The gods in the Brian Stavely series amused me. Characters, but still mysterious and unknowable and generally act like cunts despite broadly being on the same side as the protags.
>>23966199>So you like them as characters or the unknowable/conceptual type?I don't like them at all, I prefer GRRM's dealing with them.
>>23966242Do you mean the apparent lack or ambiguity?
I was always mildly surprised how a story called 'magical girl gunslinger' was so highly rated on RR.Surprisingly enjoyable although I'm worried about the direction the second arc is heading.
>>23964778It's a show not a book but 'carnival row' might be up your alley.
>>23966199Aside from Percy Jackson (if we're not including actual mythology and just modern fantasy) I don't think I've read a book that quite does the "gods among us" that much, if any. And even then, Percy Jackson obviously takes what already exists in Greek myths and brings them into the modern world. Anyways, I'd rather have the vague concept of gods than literal gods walking in the story.
>>23965989Read this one instead, it's a lot better
>>23966255>apparent lackThis. Gods as powerful beings can be cool in something like mythology or old fantasy, when authors could write, understood medieval consciousness and their works had literary merits. But I don't like to see gods in today's modernized blatant and straightforward writings.
>>23966290> modernized blatant and straightforward writings.Well yeah, it is sort of antithetical isn’t it?>GRRMObviously the books aren’t done and IDK if you want to entertain the idea of the show’s ending being a rushed version George planned, but in the books, it was more ambiguous IMO.You had a-lot of references to the stars, Lovecrafts works and the presence of magic, while not wholesale indicative of the gods, would be odd in a vacuum.There was a passage about a star falling in the North and then the sword of house Dane was forged from a star. Granted, again, books not finished. Or maybe I’m being schizo, who knows?
>>23966331>show’s endingI haven't watched the show.> would be odd in a vacuumYou can find many odd things in real life even nowadays (cryptozoology, for example). Medieval people believed in wild things. >star falling in the North and then the sword of house Dane was forged from a star. Have you heard about iron meteorites?
>>23966392>Vacuum and Meteorites Yeah, there is metal and resources out in space. That isn’t the point, the point is the mention of Stars being very common in the books, ergo, my belief that for ASoIaF that the gods are the stars or the stars can be them interacting or be akin to envoys.The bigger thing I am getting at is, with magic and dragons already included, the leaving out of gods and prophecies seems odd at best and confoundedly odd at worst.
>>23966415I think GRRM dealing rather superficially with the gods is due to his own religious background. Prophecies in the books exist to be subverted or misinterpreted or generally as a cautionary sign against folly and obsession more than anything.
>>23966427I guess. To me it just falls flat with what material we have.
Found something sus on Goodreads. Tom Shippey the Tolkien scholar is the director of a new publishing company called Uppsala Books, but the Goodreads reviews are obviously faked.Example of 2 books published by them (check the reviews):https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/199479400-the-bhagavad-gitahttps://www.goodreads.com/book/show/206792334-wodenAll 3 accounts under the Bhagavad Gita are sus with reviews that sound like they were generated by AI (I even used an AI checker that said it's 100% AI). On the Woden book page there's another sus reviewer named Reordberend. If you check their reviews, they give the Uppsala Books 5 stars plus Tom Shippey's own books (not published by Uppsala and Neidorf's (who co-edited a book for Uppsala) books that weren't published by Uppsala Books, and other random books to make them look legit.
>>23965890Viriconium is truly awful. Its mere presence besmirches this list
i enjoyed this. love when humans are used like pawns in a grim dark war between colossal forces they cannot hope to overcome. decent mystery plot, decent characters and it didn't overdo it on the combat. hope the rest of the series isn't bad, looks like the author got baited into the super smart super capable super gay female protag subgenre with his followup series so that's concerning
>>23966870Having finished the series I'd say it's decent.
what was the first woke scifi novel?
>>23966972Probably something by Le Guin
>>23966972What does woke even mean anymore.
>>23966972Frankenstein
>>23967012Anything that doesn't affirm life
>>23966578What a strange thing to stumble on.
I enjoy reading and I like reading the classics yet I have no urge to read any Tolkien.
>>23967012Anything progressive.
>>23965957Malazan is literally a rebellion story against the empire
>>23967396What? No it isn't. Kellanved is a damn hero
>>23967404Dujek and Whiskey?
>>23962354I found this to be a rather interesting analysis and commentary. The lists are nice as well. I'd like to do similar to this on a community basis. On a personal basis is simple enough to do and I probably will. It does seem a bit early though. Why not in 2025? https://reactormag.com/on-selecting-the-top-ten-genre-books-of-the-first-quarter-of-the-millennium/The resulting official lists are much less interesting and as Walton (59) notes, essentially nothing she picked made it onto the list. The reasons why explain some of why SFF is how it is in the current year.
Any decent discord communities for collabs or just advice and support?
>>23967553I assume you mean for writing. If /wg/ and the existing /lit/ discords don't suffice, you'll have to go elsewhere, preferably to what's most related to what you want specifically.
>>23967396except it's all part of kellenved's master plan and laseen is in on it from the beginning
So is dungeon crawler 7 out or not?
>>23964161The Powder Mage spinoffs with Captain Vlora. You kind of have to read the main Powder Mage novels first to get an idea of how she ends up where she does though.
>>23967649Yes, it's been out. Read the thread.
I read most of the 40+ Darkover novels, so you don't have to.If you don't know what it is, it's a scifi fiction universe created in the 60-70s by Marion Zimmer Bradley, an American writer.The gist: Darkover is a really cold planet, it gets colonized by a fallen human starship. Since it was full of white people, everyone on the planet is 100% white. The novels explore different arcs in different times of the planet's life. In most of these, Darkover is a medieval-ish feudal society, the rulers of which are telepaths and have all manners of mind powers they channel through magic crystals (they also have sex with local telepathic aliens). All of them are redheads, in this world read hair = telepaths. They eventually go too far creating crazy weapons and shit, ending up almost destroying what little of the world can support human life in the first place. They decide to put a stop to it and go back to sticking each other's guts with swords and having lots of telepathic sex. At some point The Terran empire rediscovers the place and tense diplomacy ensues.The whole thing is rather complex and not too bad. The best novels are those exploring the life of the Alton family, including: Heritage of Hastur, Sharra's Exile, Exile's Song, The Shadow Matrix and Traitor's Sun.
>0 mention of /sffg/its over
>>23962354>Wizards fucking shit upSlytherins are just failed Ravenclaws
>>23963783Found the retard
What am I in for?
>>23965938It's mentioned with BotNS because it inspired BotNS dummy.But while I think your criticism is crap, it actually is true that Dying Earth is some of Vances weakest stuff. It gets remembered so strongly because it created a new subgenre and was a big influence on D&D.
>>23965938It keeps surprising me that /lit/ is full of people who read books all the time but still need their hands held.
>>23967767>smash face donut>dungeon cuck carlThat series is shit, and only cat people like that shit. Cat faggots are the only people that see it as okay for something you are feeding to maul you. If dogs attacked people like you cat fags get attacked, they would have to put down the dog. Fuck all caps donut and your shit book.
>>23967840Loads of cringe, I guess.
>>2396628130 chapters in and nothing is happening, is it gonna pick up or is the entire novel like that?
>>23967847You're suggesting book reading implies intelligence.
>>23964164>Anna's Archivehow in the fuck have I missed this?
>>23963391>le woman viking warriorWho reads this slop?
This was breddy gud.Anyone read Vurt? I wanna know if it's worth my time.
>>23967869There's a lot of shit happening, but most of it won't make sense until 100 chapters later. It's very slow and confusing in the beginning but it gets more focused later on
>>23966596Biggest problem with this chart is there really is not enough books on it. This sub-genre needs more decent books.
>>23967838Not an argument>Wrote 40+ novels>only about 3-4 of them are actually goodHe wrote for volume to keep the lights on and his amphetamine habit going. How many times do you really need to read a WHOA DUDE WHAT IF REALITY BUT TOO MUCH story? He didn't even find his voice proper and learn to actually write good novels until the 1970s, the last decade of his work and life. Scanner Darkly is his best book, and really the only novel of his that actually needs reading.
>>23966870From my memory, none of that shit appears in the Blackwing series
>>23967940Scanner Darkly, Timothy Archer, Androids, Martian Time Slip, VALIS, Palmer Eldritch, these are already 7 beyond great novels and they immediately debunk your bullshit statement. Hell there's even short stories of his that are better than most sf trash that came out in the decades after his death so yeah, you are wrong and PKD is an essential author for any sci-fi reader and even beyond that. He's probably the only literary author among SF writers rivalled maybe only by Herbert and Ellison.
>>23967847There's no hidden complexity in Vance's Dying Earth, it's a children's book. >>23967949>Scanner DarklyGreat, his best>Palmer EldritchVery good>AndroidsMid, great ideas dragged down by clunky prose>Martian Time SlipAmphetamine-fueled mess, perfect example of his clunky-ass prose he didn't figure out until well into the 1970s, almost unreadable >VALIS, Timothy ArcherPure schizobabble, basically unreadable
>>23967957>I need someone to hold my hand when reading prose works deeper than a puddle
>>23967958>bro this L. Ron Hubbard-tier shlock is deep...uhhh... because...it was written in the 1950s, and... it just is, ok? Whatever you say broseph
>>23967949>He's probably the only literary author among SF writers rivalled maybe only by Herbert and Ellison.Vonnegut shits all over him.
>>23967968Nobody said Vance is deep, we're insulting your intelligence.By this logic our implications that you're stupid are too deep for you to parse.
>>23968020>no I actually didn't say what I just said >wecongrats on your Biggest Faggot ITT award
>>23967940>Not an argumentthis you?>>23968039congrats on your Biggest Nigger ITT award
>>23963759How have you never read Gemmell
>>23962379I liked reading the slop
>>23967878Because you never read the thread for the last couple years.
>>23968073Great recommendation with the exception of that series. Legend has to be by far his worst novel.
>>23967890Count Zero is kino. Finish Mona Lisa Overdrive and then help me work out what was going on in the background of these novels and all the plots of the various factions.Haven't read Vurt, but I recommend picrel. The opening - parkour shit in present tense - through em off, but once you get past that it's good. I always want to read more cyberpunk stuff, but I'm also always terrified it's going to be shit that's just cashing in on the aesthetic without having anything authentically cyberpunk to say and I want to keep up my fantasy of it being straight up and down kino through and through.
>>23967043How is it strange? I was just curious about the books they publish, and the reviews were so obviously fake.
>>23967883/sffg/
>>23967731based
>>23968338>>23967731brb reading these now
The final chapters are great but this juice was not worth the squeeze. You could reduce the wordcount by 2/3rds and lose nothing of value.
I've never written anything before. Should I continue fleshing out this ghetto harry potter story?
>>23967890haven't read vurt but I did read automated alice way back before anyone cared and lately tried reading pollen. jeff noon isn't worth your time unless you're a goodreads influencer looking for clout. maybe try Walter Jon Williams instead.
>>23967890Vurt is very different, it's like a very distilled and abstracted version of cyberpunk aesthetics.
any Peter F Hamilton fans?
>>23968236>How is it strange?You just made a whole post about something strange you found and then you do a 180 and say it isn't?
>>23968338Yep, it's even more pronounced in some of the "ages of chaos" era novels, where it's mentioned that there's a breeding program, strictly enforced, for the refining of psi powers and that in the long run it leads to an entire clan becoming unstable retards
absolute kino
>>23968660Oh, I misinterpreted the post. I thought it was saying that it was strange for me to stumble on it, but you're saying that the thing I stumbled on is strange. That makes more sense. My bad.
>>23968713It's okay anon.
>>23968599I just finished Pandora's Star and Judas Unchained tonight, very compelling but overall i came away with mixed feelings. I was super intrigued by the central mystery, absolutely loved all the worlds and the broader setting, but a lot of the characters and dialogue left me cold. Is it worth continuing with his books and this setting into the 'Void' series?
>>23968804the void books are a fair bit different, almost more fantasy. I didn't like them as much as ps and ju but they are still good. I would probably skip them if you didn't love those two books but maybe try another of his series (just not greg mandel) or a standalone novel. He is very much a world over characters author though
McNaughton Throne of Bones just arrived. What am I in for, bros?
What would happen if you stuck your hand into the void beyond the Ring Space?
>>23967573>existing /lit/ discordssuch as?
Is picrel worth reading?
>>23965710They're not high literature by any means, but the novels tend to be pretty decent entertainment. Stuff like the Fabius Bile and Night Lords trilogies are genuinely good, but most of it is just fine. Unless you like xenos or AdMech. Those books tend to be rare and often fail to meet expectations.
>>23965710The only Warhammer books I have been able to enjoy even a small amount were Gotrek and Felix, and even that wasn't fantastic. I've tried to read around half a dozen of the 40k novels and have found them all to be bad.
>>23968855it's goodenjoy
Are there stories out there where elves are the lesser race looking up to humanity because humanity is the "origin race"?
>>23968907In Chronicles of the Rift elves are treated as subhuman after they lose the battle for living space with prehistoric men in their version of the Neolithic
The "ancient enemy" of the lobster empire are humans, right? Or am I just reading too much into it.
>>23968967>Chronicles of the RiftGoogle is giving me inconsistent results, the one by Steve Jacob?
>>23968985The one by Nik Perumov
>>23968987Nice, thanks.
>>23964778Unironically early LOTM
>>23968864It has the typical quirks Andy Weir has, but I enjoyed it
>>23968979almost certainly
i learned a new word today
>>23967428Love the empire, hate the empress. Keep reading.
>>23969090Next time you want to try catcalling a woman, try saying "callipygian" instead of "nice ass." It means the same thing and you still won't get laid, but she might stop and talk to you if she wants to know what it means.
>>23969090>>23969360I already knew this word...
>>23969360>and you still won't get laiddamn dude, gottem. i'm posting this on /r/owns!
>>23967949He's right but for entirely different reasons beyond his personal opinion. I agree that PKD has many fantastic works but he even admitted himself that he never "wrote a masterpiece" until A Scanner Darkly, which was written quickly but heavily edited over around three years.He owed money to the IRS and he was taking amphetamines to write around 80 pages a day, or a new book nearly every other week.https://philipdick.com/mirror/websites/pkdweb/A%20SCANNER%20DARKLY.HTM>>23968020And you're a Vancefag. Take your mentally ill "we" bullshit and stop polluting the thread with your singular-author worship. Don't forget the other normalfags hen you leave, nigger.
I finished Thomas the Rhymer. The four POV aspect made sense and the very mundane villager couple used as an introduction and later as a bridge was quite effective. The best part was of course the Elfland segment, appropriately surreal and a bit creepy, with Thomas's obsession and helplessness becoming more and more uncomfortable towards the end. I initially thought the last section would be useless, but it had my favourite part (Thomas meeting his bastard son) and his death. For some reason I thought it would end happily ever after but no, once you go fairy there's no escape.
>>23968864A bit too quirky for my taste, but I liked the story. Rocky is a bro.
>mc abuses women and get away with itBooks for this feel?
>>23969383I know PKD was an amphetamine addict and wrote to earn a buck in an environment hostile to science fiction. He said it himself in a 1979 interview, something had to keep the lights on and he saw abusing adderall as his best option. Even so, despite being so chaotic, and even probably because he was so chaotic, I think his works are very much worth reading. Surface level criticism such as "clunky-ass prose" is reductive and doesn't hold up, especially when you delve into PKD's more "literary" works which are difficult but nonetheless fantastic.
>>23969471Lord Foul's Bane
>>23963759Practical Guide to Evil is this in a nutshell.
>>23969001Seconding Lord of the Mysteries
any recs that are similar to Malazan or The Black company?
>>23969494>gets away with itThomas does not really get away with anything. The karmic balance of the universe is fully dedicated towards fucking him over.
>>23969526Was he ever punished for his crimes by the Lords? No? Well then I rest my case.
What did I think about it?
>>23969546>jew work times bestseller>part 1 of (insert generic ass name) series>uninspired minimalist shit spray cover>an assassin with supernatural abilities undergoes years of rigorous training in both combat and magic....blah blahyou think it's great
>>23969554>you think it's greatGood guess... If you want to really impress, tell me what I thought of the wheel of time.
>>23969578you thought it was hecking epic and was too short. You want to consume forever.
>>23969583Shwing and a miss. It is one of the only series I couldn't make myself finish. I didn't think it was possible to write that many words about nothing happening.
>>23969001>>23969504Is LOTM at least as good as Reverend Insanity? That one's my benchmark for chinese reincarnation fiction.
I knew Bakker would kill that sweet retarded baby, but that knowledge didn't prevent me from feeling bad about it when it happened. He truly is the King
>>23969648Kind of unfair to compare anything to RI... most xianxia or xuanhuan will never match up. LOTM is in a different genre anyways.
I downloaded a set of all Nebula and Hugo winners and I've read a few so far and they're all, at best, entertaining pulp. I don't get it. Where are the real books and who is compiling them?
>>23969673Male readers have fled to Web novels, web serials, light novels and manga/donghua. Traditional publishing is completely dead for male readers. Its all femslop YA romance shit.
>>23969659I just mean in writing quality. I'll take something less than RI so long as its not abysmal
>>23969676These award books go back to the 60s though. They were pulp 80 years ago. I just want a list of sci-fi LITERATURE not genre slop
>>23969684Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. Ever since the Hugo Awards fiasco ~10 yrs ago its complete trannyslop. There isn't any literature... its not being published.
>>23969648I prefer LOTM because it is not edgy
>current chinese webnovel trend is to copy some book about how "X fucked me over, turns out I was actually super necessary, beg me so I can tell you to fuck off" in different setups.And it's garbage even by lowbrow entertainment standards. I think this is the first fad of theirs that i've actively started skipping everything labeled with it.
>>23969507Try David Gemmell's Drenai Saga. It is not exactly military company's series, but has similar vibes.
Any fantasy novelists besides Gene Wolfe that don't make you want to strangle them with how annoying they are? I swear I can't find anything that doesn't feel like it's written by a faggot who thinks he's clever. I'd almost rather read progression fantasy at this point since the people who write that stuff at least seem like they feel a lot less ashamed of writing fantasy. I wish this retarded age of irony would just die already.
>>23969997If you mean new ones then no, it's all self-published like Wight, minor publishers like DMR Books or webnovel stuff western and chinese. Otherwise your option is to read old fantasy.
I've spent the past 20 years reading books decade by decade... i started looking for new books and they all look so fucking gay... WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON? Why is every other book I check out published after 2010 or on some "awards list" just obviously pushed trash writing and agenda pushing homo-things? Where are the normal books written by good writers who actually care about the genre they're writing and aren't using sexuality or social issues as the forefront of their shitty narratives?Do we have a list of NORMAL writers that are current so I don't have to waste my time sifting through all this literary faggotry? My mind is blown. Did the entire industry get co-opted while I was consuming yesteryears literature? I don't really talk to anyone about books so if this was a big event or slow transition/destruction of the industry I never heard about it.. Would love to know more of what's happened because somethings OBVIOUSLY happened.
>>23970033There aren't any in traditional publishing. None at all.
>>23970033>My mind is blown. Did the entire industry get co-opted while I was consuming yesteryears literature? I don't really talk to anyone about books so if this was a big event or slow transition/destruction of the industry I never heard about it.. Would love to know more of what's happened because somethings OBVIOUSLY happened.Agents are overwhelmingly women now. Some say old faghags and some say middle-aged tumblrfags. I haven't personally checked out the advertising forums they used to use but pretty much all the noise out of the industry says that you have to pander to them in order to get published at all and many of them straight-up reject "white straight men" newcomers regardless of quality.
>>23969997Darrell SchweitzerJohn CrowleyGuy Gavriel Kay
>>23969546dropped this shit on page 100 something, but seeing how you managed to read it, then I think you loved that book
/sffg/ opinion on this? Did he managed to make something that is equal to his debut novel or its worse than his previous novel? One of the last white man who are still writing fantasy btw
What was the one anon's book he shilled his book here? And was it any good?
>>23970044That's insane... surely it has made the industry take a hit financially, just like movies have tanked anytime they do an all black family remake movie. That shit adds up. I read an article today that had a study in it where it concluded that over 30B of lost revenue over the 5 years in woke productions.I noticed there are tons of sprayed edge books and just gimmicky looking books with shitty ass bindings. Are they making money off these new weirdos who think reading is a fun dorky quirk, like newer d&d players? Is that what happened? Just retards destroying the hobby and paying dumb money for dumb things?I'm so annoyed.
>>23970081You mean that 300pg cyberpunk novel with anime girl in cover? the conclusion is both prose and plot is weak, but he got passion in writing so if he really wants to get serious in there, then he needs to catch up with everything. Lots of homework needs to be done.But here's a funny thing when I searched the author name on jewgle I found that apparently he wrote two novels after the cyberpunk one, this was in his amazon page. I dont know if its the same guy or different guy with a same name.
>>23970086>That's insane... surely it has made the industry take a hit financiallyWe know from the Penguin and Simon & Schuster antitrust lawsuit findings that over 60% of books published sell between 1-999 copies total. I forget the exact percentage but most of them are in the 1-12 range. They use the few blockbusters to prop up the garbage that doesn't sell.
>post on /a/ for first time in a decade>ask for tournament arcs>go back 1 minutes later>thread is gonenot sure what was wrong with that but I guess I'll try books now. What books/series have the best tournament arcs?
>>23970033>i started looking for new books and they all look so fucking gay.All the books for men are online.Western stuff is self-published on amazon and some specific niches are on royalroad, scribblehub and webnovel.There's also a shitton of chinese stuff aimed at men that are basically adventure stories or power fantasies which is why they're shilled so heavily on here.
>>23970116Bleh. I went to /a/ for storytime and leaks. I dont think a place filled with redditor, MAL retards, and literal discordtrannies are good for any type of discussion at all. Besides, /a/ jannies are bunch of sensitive faggot who are butthurt over anything, even a fucking soijak pics, maybe jakkies are reminding them of their face. I know its ironic to say this since /lit/ itself is plagued by redditor since massive refugee in 2016, but hey, atleast the redditor in here hate themselves and trying to convert, unlike the one in /a/Oh yeah, fantasy book with tournament thing in there? There's not much, I can remember that there are prince of thorns, then (if I remember correctly) eragon, that grrm book which I forgot the name, and this one >>23969546.
>>23970081A Knight of Valora? Not bad. The prose is fine. I appreciate it's written in a far more modern tone than pseudo middle English with 1000 proper nouns that are unpronounceable. I would say it reads a lot like a Tales of game or 90's final fantasy with easily recognizable and applicable Proper nouns as it's lore. The plot is pretty good as a cop story. Nothing amazing, but it works far better than kid saves world plot. The biggest strength is it's funny as in there's a lot of jokes, not it's funny because it's cringeworthy. You can tell he didn't take it super seriously and had fun with it. Love how the MC doesn't figure everything out and you the reader had to piece together the missing holes like a how mystery story should be
>>23970154There's no tournament arc in >>23969546, it's just one scene.
when is the next red rising book meant to drop? I'm doing a second read through
>>23970322Next year I think?
>>23970116Reccomendation threads are explicitly against the rules on /a/.
>>23970328damn apparently it's the last one in the series too.
>>23970335Which is a good thing. He needs to wrap up these storylines.
>>23962354I started reading Hyperion but I don't remember why it was on my backlog (only note is "time travel"). Anyway, is it good?
>>23970369>Anyway, is it good?No.
I'm tired of ultra manly alpha male protagonists, but I also don't like women and LGBT content. What should I read?Im thinking about going back to harry potter and lotr
>>23970402The mask of the sorcerer
Just finsihed Deepness in the Sky. While I was enjoying it and especially the spider society parts good god what a copout the resolution to ezr and trixia's relationship. It being handled in only a few pages was extremely jarring. An author shouldn't include a romance subplot if they cant even bother to have satisfying payoff.
I refuse to read, watch, or masturbate to anything that isn't science fiction or fantasy. Everything else is soap opera.
>>23970450What are your opinions of space operas?
recommend a series/book where the female mc is dressed in skimpy armor
>>23970455Good
>>23967869If you cannot into a book by 5 (five) chapters you should drop it. That or keep reading and half star it at 10 (ten) chapters when you still don't enjoy it.
>>23970280I dont know what that other anon means by tournament. Besidesi If you count the part where the prince guy trained himself as part of tournament then it you can count them as several chapter long right? For the tournament thing I mean>>23970465Skyrim
>>23970483>I dont know what that other anon means by tournament.he very clearly said tournament arc>the part where the prince guy trained himself as part of tournamentthis isnt something that happens in the book, what are you meaning to refer to?
What do my recent pickups say about me?
>>23970507weeb
>>23970507You weren't loved enough as a child
>>23967396Malazan is literally a colonizing force portrayed as the good guys. They foment rebellions and use assassination in order to seize power. Not to burden you with inconvenient details about your precious uprisings, go be a good pawn.
>>23970505The prince guy trained with some guy or maybe dueling with him before the tournament(?) I forgot about this honestly, but I remember the master assasin told protagonist to join the tournament and I think he fought the prince in there (is it a prince or some duke son again?)
>>23967012I find it's hard to define, but easy to recognize.
What's our conclusion on this series, /sffg/?>Malini has claimed her rightful throne as the empress of Parijatdvipa, just as the nameless gods prophesied. Now, in order to gain the support of the priesthood who remain loyal to the fallen emperor, she must consider a terrible bargain: Claim her throne and burn in order to seal her legacy-or find another willing to take her place on the pyre.>Priya has survived the deathless waters and now their magic runs in her veins. But a mysterious yaksa with flowering eyes and a mouth of thorns lies beneath the waters. The yaksa promises protection for Ahiranya. But in exchange, she needs a sacrifice. And she’s chosen Priya as the one to offer it.>Two women once entwined by fate now stand against each other for the sake of their respective homes. But when a new enemy rises, they will once again find themselves fighting together to prevent their kingdoms, and their futures, from burning to ash.>The Lotus Empirebrings Tasha Suri’s acclaimed Burning Kingdoms trilogy to a heart-stopping close. As an ancient magic returns to Ahiranya and threatens its very foundations, Empress Malini and priestess Priya will stop at nothing to save their kingdom-even if it means they must destroy each other.>‘Tasha Suri will go down in history as one of the great fantasy authors of this era. The Burning Kingdoms trilogy takes her extraordinary imagination, her lyrical style, and her gift for crafting intricate characters, then fires them in a furnace of war and ancient magic and sapphic yearning, giving us an epic like no other. Malini and Priya will carve themselves into your memory’ >Samantha Shannon, author of The Priory of the Orange Tree
>>23970507I'm currently watching LOGH and I'm a bit disappointed to be honest. All the praise made me expect some complicated political machinations and character relationships but for the past 20-something episodes it's been obviously evil noble/politician of the day having his dumb plan ruined and at least three people per episode committing suicide. Reinhard is the only interesting character.
>>23969683i've read tons of chinese webnovel slop, RI is #1 and LotM is #2LotM sequel CoI is mid though
>>23970116World's Best Martial Artist
>>23970598God I hate blurbs like this. They're so melodramatic and corny.
>>23970637It's also way too long and filled with meaningless artless exposition that makes my eyes glaze over. Here's a blurb of random book on my reading list:>A slave in a dragon factory that manufactures flying fighting machines, Jane changes her destiny when a voice from a dragon promising freedom and revenge prompts her to escape and challenge the foundations of the world.This is much better. The hook is clear, the story is clear, the protagonist is clear, etc. all in basically one sentence. Who is seeing "the yaksa promises protection for Ahiranya" and saying "oh shit I gotta read this!"?
>>23970637I love to make fun of my cousin by reading out loud this kind of melodramatic blurbs for whatever new book he's reading. They seem to be written by talentless manchildren who thinks they're being poetic.
>>23970598>bla bla bla feminist tale*yawn
>>23967935>>23970478Dropped it after 82 chapters.
>>23970478what if the book only has 5 very long chapters?
Might abandon Mike Ford's Aspects fantasybros...I loved Dragon Waiting but this is really dull and I don't think I'm into it enough to read what is literally an unfinished novel, let alone the first book in an unfinished series
>>23970403Excellent book.
Any good fantasy slop like mushoku tensei but written by white people?
>>23970956Does it need to include a harem like mushoku tensei? If not, I've been reading this on RR, the MC is a fucking loser like Rudeus, but in a different way. More portal fantasy than Isekai, despite the name. The author is definitely white: https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/90222/crippling-debt-isekai-fantasy-slow-burn-progression
>>23967396>>23970521it's complicated
>KharkanasHad this trilogy not required reading 10 large books, it could have been seen by future generations as the best written fantasy work our age has to offer. It could be our century's Gormenghast, or BOTNS. One of those works whose reputation and importance, among the people deep into the genre, outweighs its popularity.I think the Malazan Book of the Fallen will certainly get there as it stands the tests of time, but I think Kharkanas would have had a good shot of outstripping MBotF's legacy if it didn't require it to be properly understood and enjoyed. Erikson came upon magic when he figured out the writing style for Kharkanas.
>>23971193Were Wickans supposed to be Native Americans?
>>23971259>I think the Malazan Book of the Fallen will certainly get there as it stands the tests of timeMalazan is terrible. The characters have absolutely no depth, they just exist to do what the writer needs them to do. What is the point in watching two characters fight when you know nothing about them?
>>23971288saying "Erikson can't write characters" is a cliche. Everyone who read MBOTF knows Erikson writes characters with plenty of depth, unique voices, and motivations. And a lot of the the time he gives us characterization through the lens of others. You'll never get Tavore, Rake, or Lasseen's POVs but they're favorites that fans can discuss the characterizations of for years. I love Abercrombie's writing, but The First Law didn't caused me 1/10th of the emotional response MBOTF did.>>23971283>Wickansnative americans>SetiMongolsBut the peoples of Malazan are probably all mixes of different anthropological concepts. He takes traits from cultures he studied from his career and then uses them based on what seems reasonable to him. Given the environment and other factors, he starts with a handful of traits and then adding a new one from another culture is what "makes sense" from an anthropological perspective. So then you get stuff like Erikson referring to the Tiste Edur as "what if the Native Americans won against the British?"
>>23971185>Does it need to include a harem like mushoku tensei?YesI'm not gay
>>23971288>>23971332it's funny because he clearly CHOOSES not to focus on character except in those circumstances he does. I'd say it's a case of malazan being contrasted by modern fantasy which can't stop jerking off to characters and their drama.
I wish there were more young girl protagonists.
>>23971499kys, pedo
>>23970507you're trans
>>23971505I'm a pedo for liking young girls?
>>23971531correct
>>23970740book 1 ends at chapter 84, kek
>>23971567Allow me to clarify. I’m looking for virgin protagonists--not necessarily young girls. In my experience, they’re usually young girls, but I figured saying “I wish there were more virgin protagonists” might come across as stranger than intended. It's called parthenophilia (love of virgins).
Any sff essay recs? Like what Le Guin writes.
>>23971615Virgin protagonists actually sounds less weird than young girls.
>>23971193I picture Coltaine like a Jason Momoa looking mf. That looks more like Toc the Younger in my mind.
>>23971332>Everyone who read MBOTF knows Erikson writes characters with plenty of depth, unique voices, and motivationsWhich characters do you consider to have had depth or motivations? I read the first nine books, eager to learn more about Rake or Dancer or Quick Ben, and it never happened.>>23971449Characters are important to a story. Watching Anomander Rake fight Dassem Ultor should have been cool, but since we have no idea who either of these characters are it is impossible to care who wins and who loses.
>>23971735Nothing weird about either of those. You need deprograming.
>>23971531no
Can anyone give me the qrd on the plot of Beyond Redemption? I lost interest after they kidnap Morgan but still wanna know what happens.
I haven't played an RPG in over a decade, but LitRPG makes me want to try playing some. I compiled a list of like 100 that I'm going to go through starting today with Pillars of Eternity and Deadfire.
>>23971906Give Disco Elysium a go. It's one of maybe 3 videogames I've ever played that had writing I thought was good.
