God I wish I were French or German or Italian or something
Europeans are so naturally superior
I'd be fluent in Latin already and could move on with my life

>>23975299
I know this is /clg/ but wishing to be gay is not the right way to imitate them

Isocrates is great for reading practice. Very clear and straightforward Greek. Read the Antidosis today!

>>23975134
I just haven't enjoyed my time here

Bump

errores quosdam correxi. certiorem me sultis facite, si quem praeterii inveniatis errorem.

vera mulier numquam eris. matricem non habes, ovaria non habes, ova non habes. vir homosexualis es medicamentis et chirurgia in crudam imaginem naturalae perfectionis corruptus.

omnis qua uteris validatio falsa et simulata est. post te omnes te inridunt. parentes tui te fastidiunt et tui se pudent, amici tui deridunt speciem tuam informem.

vires omnino te defugiunt. milia evolutionis annorum effecerunt ut incredibile facultate impostores detegere possint. et illarum quae pro mulieribus "accipiuntur" transexualium formam vires innaturalem et alienam habent. ossium structura plane dicit. etsi ebrium quendam domum reduxeris forte, celeriter in fugam se coniciet, ubi primum putidi, infecti, securis vulneris fetor ad nasum eius pervenerit.

numquam laetaberis. subrisionem falsam proferis singulis matutinis animum intra te confirmans, penitus tamen depressionem sentis velut malam herbam obrepentem, cuius intolerabili pondere mox opprimeris.

in dies amplius sustentare non valebis. funem emes, in laqueum ligabis, quo cervicem praecinges, et in frigidam abyssum te praecipitabis. parentes te invenient, corde contriti sed tamen gaudentes intolerabili sibi pudore et amaritudine tandem vivendum non esse. sepelieris sub lapillo nato nomine inscripto et quisque hospes in sempiternum sciet virum ibi sepultum. corpus putrescet et in pulverem revertetur, neque hereditatis tuae quidquam remanebit sine sceleto indubie masculo.

ecce sors tua. ecce quod elegisti. revertendum non est.

>>23975857
gemma

I get why Montaigne locked himself in the tower for years. The more time I spend with the classics, the more normal people are unpleasant to be around, and the desire to cut contact and isolate in books increases. The other day I tried this, but by day 3 my mental state was getting bad. Of course it is possible, since hermits live alone in the Russian forests and Chinese mountain caves, but if you are a person who has to think 24/7 then by nature you begin to slide off the rails when left alone for long. AFAIK there is no famous hermit in western history who didn't have a circle of associates/correspondents. And yeah it's easy to find people "into the classics" but these said people are either boring normies or complete autists who hyperfixate on a small, boring thing. There is a small subset of people into this stuff who are super interesting but I don't know where they are.

>>23975892
Wow you sound so interesting and unique, truly a shining spark of intellect in these dark times. Must be hell for you to exist so elevated above the rabble yet surrounded by them. At least you can remain euphoric by taking solace in knowing that unlike those boring normies and autists who dare to be into the classics, your classics, you are a special snowflake tortured soul who really gets the ancients. O tempora, O mores!

>>23975910
Most people into anything intellectual are boring because they can't generate ideas of their own, only consume. My main goal is to learn so if you have nothing unique to offer then I don't want to talk to you. It's not about being better or worse, it's just a waste of time to chat with them, I'd be better off reading the text

No reply as expected. I call out classics students for being annoying redditors, and you reply in the most cringe and reddit way possible. No man, it's just a coincidence that some of the best minds of our culture, including but not limited to Newton, Descartes, Pascal, Spinoza, Schopenhauer, Cavendish, Darwin, Mendel, Kepler, and many others. It's not because they get the most retarded, strawman replies to a question asked in good faith, asked only because they care about learning, that they think Hmm maybe normal people are just not worth being around for me.

Hah. Yeah, that would be ridiculous. Could you imagine?

>>23975892
Montaigne had a long career in service of the king and suffered a near-death experience before isolating in his tower. He also loved conversation, was voted mayor twice, and had an open-door policy to guests.You picked possible the worst example possible, a man famed for writing
>Le plus fructueux & naturel exercice de nostre esprit, c’est à mon gré la conference. J’en trouve l’usage plus doux, que d’aucune autre action de nostre vie. Et c’est la raison pourquoy, si j’estois à ceste heure forcé de choisir, je consentirois plustost, ce crois je, de perdre la veue, que l’ouyr ou le parler.

>>23975929
>a question asked in good faith
what question

>>23975929
the automatic, snarky crabs in a bucket enforcing reply scheme is almost a perfect indicator of having triggered a normgroid tourist, you get those especially in blue boards, don't mess with the blessed herd

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>>23975389
nice try but I WILL dedicate some time to Latin after I finish (re)reading my current Plato's book
then I will check out Isocrates too, I guess

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>Sagittarius in aquilam collimabat et, missa sagitta, confixit aquilam. Cumque, conversa ad sagittam, aquila eam quoque pennatam suis videret esse pennis, “Multis,” inquit, “suae propriae facultates et res insidias et periculum creant.”
>Aesop

I don't ever want to learn a living language. I wasted time on that and was just disappointed. I want to learn an esoteric dead language with a large body of work. Preferably not romance nevause I hate romance!!!
Also I have low iq

>>23977480
Minoan would be your best bet

Ἀλλ’ ὡς ἔρχεται καρπὸς ἐν ἀγρῷ, χαρὰ δὲ ἀνθρώποις,
Χερῶν ἐπιεικὲς τὸν πόδα καὶ νοῦς ἀθανάτου,
Οὐ χρῆσις ἐπιτήδειον ὄχλον τεχνητῶν ἐχθρῶν,
ἀλλ’ ἔργα φύσεως, ἁπλὰ καὶ εὐτυχεῖς.

Ἠώς, χρυσῆν ὀπώραν προσώπου αὐγής,
Αἱ ῥοδαῖ γῆς καὶ φθεγγομένοι ἄνεμοι,
Οὐκ ἀνάγκη μήτε μηχανὰς, μήτε φωνὰς κενὰς,
Ἀλλὰ τὸ φύσει ἔνδοξον καὶ ἰδιότροπον μέλος.

Ἀηδὼν πτηνὸς, ἀμβροσία φύλλων ἠχοῦν,
Χαρά τε θεία καὶ ἀνθρώποις ἰδιότροπον,
Οὐκ ἄνισχεν τοὺς κήπους οὐδὲ βιοῦς ὀκνοῦντας,
Αἰώνας ἐν τοῖς λειμῶσι ταχὺ γίνεσθαι.

Δένδρα καρποῦσιν, ἕνα τὸ πνεῦμα φύει,
Ἐπ' αὐτοῖς ἄλλης τε χαρᾶς ἔρχεται βοὴ,
Ἀνθρώποις ὀμοῦν ἔρχεται πανταχῇ καινὸν ὄλβον,
Εὐφρόσυνον τε καὶ γλυκύτατον γένος.

Ἀλλὰ μὴ, ὦ λαοί, ἐν τῷ σιδήρῳ ἀναστρέφεσθαι,
Οὐχὶ, ἀλλὰ ἐν ἀγροῖς πρὸς ἔργα φύσεως ἐμπόδῳ,
Ἐν ἁπάξ ἀνθρωποῦ τοῦ θεοῦ συντελούμενοι,
Ἡδύνομαι τοῖς κάλλιστοις καρποῖς οἶκος.

>>23977511
>large body of work

>>23977480
I think ancient(but modern too) language learning more than IQ requires the ability to focus on something and do it for a long period of time, which is not a faculty to be understated and it's probably one of the good reasons why it was propedeutic to other education

>>23975929
>No man, it's just a coincidence that some of the best minds of our culture, including but not limited to Newton, Descartes, Pascal, Spinoza, Schopenhauer, Cavendish, Darwin, Mendel, Kepler, and many others.
this sentence has no predicate. And no, I do not "know what you mean."

>>23977480
Gothic.

>>23978649
>large body of work

>>23978676
It has a large body of work and you can fill in the blanks with the other medieval Germanic languages.

>>23978310
He’s saying all those men are autistic because the previous post above that one he was talking about how much he hates normal people and just wants to seclude like a hermit.

>>23978310
That post is a continuation of what he was saying here >>23975892

>>23978703
It has neither

>>23978719
Retard.

>>23978748
Its literally incomplete

>>23978838
It's sufficient to learn the language.

>>23978909
There's no language to learn...there's not enough. And it only has Bible translations

>>23978912
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>23978919
I never claimed to im hoping you will explain

>>23978927
I won't waste my time, you're clearly NGMI.

>>23977517
That's a nice poem who wrote this;

Lost track of who is arguing what
Gothic does not have a large corpus. Part of an NT translation and a few random documents.

If you want a Germanic language with a large corpus, then it's Old Norse or nothing.

What's the best place to stary with Aristotle? I'm about to finish Plato. I heard ethics and politics are a good starting point, but I thought of starting with something simpler like poetics.

>>23979845
Old English is better
Why restrict yourself to germanics though

>>23978715
So knowing that it is a continuation does not tell me what the predicate of the sentence is. >>23978714 this reply does

Been listening to 'The Life of Samuel Johnson'
Absolute kino life, and very /clg/ indeed. He was a world leading classicist during his time, but also very autistic, with ocd, melancholy, adhd and nervousness. Would recc. the audiobook

>>23979904
I was eventually planning to start with the Categories because it's supposedly babby's entry point considering Aristoteles' difficulty, but I'm not sure myself

>>23980647
>start with the Categories
that's been the traditional starting point even in the neo-Platonic schools because it teaches you the building blocks of thinking: individual words and the 10 possible categories under which they may fall. This is not just so your thinking becomes clearer and less liable to sloppy thinking but also detecting when people are using words in an underhanded way. A good dialogue to read and reread is Plato's Euthydemus. Two pseud brothers try to use words in underhanded ways but Socrates shuts down the pseudery by using the concepts and skills taught in the Categories.

>>23979907
nta, but he specifically said >if you want a Germanic language with a large corpus

>>23980831
Where?>>23977480

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>>23980837
?
>>23979845

>>23980876
Hence my question of why restrict to Germanics

>>23980882
see >>23980831

>>23980908
My question still stands. Seems like you're just trying to be combative.

I wish I knew welsh

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>>23975892
>I get why Montaigne locked himself in the tower for years.

Just always remember, even the smartest normie becomes a shit flinging monkey when you mention you're into Latin or ancient Greek.

>heya whats that book?
>hurr durr dead language
>hurr durr why you trying to read that word, faggit?

It's like they all run the same NPC script, after the 100th time having the exact same conversation with them you'll take measures to avoid it, ie "Oh, its just the latest Stephen King novel."

Save first through third gear for day-to-day convo, bonding with normal folks, talking with the wife, et cetera. Save 4th and 5th gear for /lit/, ChatGPT and that rare encounter with a fellow autist. Learn to embrace the loneliness.

>t. knows

>>23981674
That has never been my experience. Are you exclusively associating with coons?

>>23981674
You faggots really want to feel special because you have a (not so) obscure hobby huh, lmao.

Yeah, not that many people know Latin or Greek. So what, do you think yourself better than them? Do you think that, because they don't share /clg/'s specific hobbies, no "normie" out there has read Plato or Aristophanes and you couldn't possibly relate to each other over the classics?

Just the other day, I met an English girl through a common friend. She had an interest in Iran, the Near East in general and archaeology, and my having read Herodotus came in handy. You probably just lack conversational skills.

>>23981719
This
>friendless shut-in steps on a Lego
>I'm just like Montaigne
>pretentious dork has no social skills
>normie apes attack me for my Latin
Losers refusing to accept and take responsibility for their sorry state so they fall back on "must be because I'm so smart and special"

>>23975917
>My main goal is to learn so if you have nothing unique to offer then I don't want to talk to you
Why would anyone with something unique to offer want to talk to you? You yourself just want to learn so you offer nothing to him. Those 'super interesting' people look at you the same way you look at everyone else.

I want to buy a physical edition of the Vulgate because I'm tired of looking at screens. Would you guys happen to have any recommendations?

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>>23981674
iste sane unus e populo non est. fuge multitudinem neve animum ad stridores illiteratorum argumento carentes attenderis nam musae te in Parnaso exspectant quo turbam Apollo amentem arceat.

>>23980727
interesting, I'm currently following the neoplatonic order of reading for Plato as well, but I think I can cheekly get Euthydemus in next since it seems fairly short

Disco latinam et cacam edo. Eheu, caca est nigra, non est sana, sed edo

>>23981739
Baronius press has a nice copy. churchlatin.com seems to have a nice copy but I've never seen it in person so IDK.

>>23981939
Both look very nice. Thank you!

I'd like to learn Latin. Any tips on how to start from scratch?

>dass das
I found the culprit to the English "that that"

>>23982019
Sure. Buy a copy of LLPSI or download a PDF and read through a few chapters. Then decide whether you'd like to supplement it with a textbook, such as Cambridge or Wheelock.

>>23982019
Wikiversity (free, no account required) has a pretty solid from-scratch course if you are looking to dip your toes in online rather than a textbook:
>https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Latin
Each page/lesson has flashcards for drilling both words and sentences which are hosted on Memrise (free, need to register but can use a throwaway):
words: https://community-courses.memrise.com/community/course/748509/
sentences: https://community-courses.memrise.com/community/course/906792/
It links to Wiktionary a lot which will come in handy as you're learning the forms of the declensions and conjugations.
Should be nice to combine with LLPSI as suggested above.

>>23982019
Go in the OP mega link and download the LLPSI files
If you're new to learning highly inflected languages you should start with A Companion to Familia Romana which is also in the mega folder