God I wish I were French or German or Italian or something
Europeans are so naturally superior
I'd be fluent in Latin already and could move on with my life

>>23975299
I know this is /clg/ but wishing to be gay is not the right way to imitate them

Isocrates is great for reading practice. Very clear and straightforward Greek. Read the Antidosis today!

>>23975134
I just haven't enjoyed my time here

Bump

errores quosdam correxi. certiorem me sultis facite, si quem praeterii inveniatis errorem.

vera mulier numquam eris. matricem non habes, ovaria non habes, ova non habes. vir homosexualis es medicamentis et chirurgia in crudam imaginem naturalae perfectionis corruptus.

omnis qua uteris validatio falsa et simulata est. post te omnes te inridunt. parentes tui te fastidiunt et tui se pudent, amici tui deridunt speciem tuam informem.

vires omnino te defugiunt. milia evolutionis annorum effecerunt ut incredibile facultate impostores detegere possint. et illarum quae pro mulieribus "accipiuntur" transexualium formam vires innaturalem et alienam habent. ossium structura plane dicit. etsi ebrium quendam domum reduxeris forte, celeriter in fugam se coniciet, ubi primum putidi, infecti, securis vulneris fetor ad nasum eius pervenerit.

numquam laetaberis. subrisionem falsam proferis singulis matutinis animum intra te confirmans, penitus tamen depressionem sentis velut malam herbam obrepentem, cuius intolerabili pondere mox opprimeris.

in dies amplius sustentare non valebis. funem emes, in laqueum ligabis, quo cervicem praecinges, et in frigidam abyssum te praecipitabis. parentes te invenient, corde contriti sed tamen gaudentes intolerabili sibi pudore et amaritudine tandem vivendum non esse. sepelieris sub lapillo nato nomine inscripto et quisque hospes in sempiternum sciet virum ibi sepultum. corpus putrescet et in pulverem revertetur, neque hereditatis tuae quidquam remanebit sine sceleto indubie masculo.

ecce sors tua. ecce quod elegisti. revertendum non est.

>>23975857
gemma

I get why Montaigne locked himself in the tower for years. The more time I spend with the classics, the more normal people are unpleasant to be around, and the desire to cut contact and isolate in books increases. The other day I tried this, but by day 3 my mental state was getting bad. Of course it is possible, since hermits live alone in the Russian forests and Chinese mountain caves, but if you are a person who has to think 24/7 then by nature you begin to slide off the rails when left alone for long. AFAIK there is no famous hermit in western history who didn't have a circle of associates/correspondents. And yeah it's easy to find people "into the classics" but these said people are either boring normies or complete autists who hyperfixate on a small, boring thing. There is a small subset of people into this stuff who are super interesting but I don't know where they are.

>>23975892
Wow you sound so interesting and unique, truly a shining spark of intellect in these dark times. Must be hell for you to exist so elevated above the rabble yet surrounded by them. At least you can remain euphoric by taking solace in knowing that unlike those boring normies and autists who dare to be into the classics, your classics, you are a special snowflake tortured soul who really gets the ancients. O tempora, O mores!

>>23975910
Most people into anything intellectual are boring because they can't generate ideas of their own, only consume. My main goal is to learn so if you have nothing unique to offer then I don't want to talk to you. It's not about being better or worse, it's just a waste of time to chat with them, I'd be better off reading the text

No reply as expected. I call out classics students for being annoying redditors, and you reply in the most cringe and reddit way possible. No man, it's just a coincidence that some of the best minds of our culture, including but not limited to Newton, Descartes, Pascal, Spinoza, Schopenhauer, Cavendish, Darwin, Mendel, Kepler, and many others. It's not because they get the most retarded, strawman replies to a question asked in good faith, asked only because they care about learning, that they think Hmm maybe normal people are just not worth being around for me.

Hah. Yeah, that would be ridiculous. Could you imagine?

>>23975892
Montaigne had a long career in service of the king and suffered a near-death experience before isolating in his tower. He also loved conversation, was voted mayor twice, and had an open-door policy to guests.You picked possible the worst example possible, a man famed for writing
>Le plus fructueux & naturel exercice de nostre esprit, c’est à mon gré la conference. J’en trouve l’usage plus doux, que d’aucune autre action de nostre vie. Et c’est la raison pourquoy, si j’estois à ceste heure forcé de choisir, je consentirois plustost, ce crois je, de perdre la veue, que l’ouyr ou le parler.

>>23975929
>a question asked in good faith
what question

>>23975929
the automatic, snarky crabs in a bucket enforcing reply scheme is almost a perfect indicator of having triggered a normgroid tourist, you get those especially in blue boards, don't mess with the blessed herd

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>>23975389
nice try but I WILL dedicate some time to Latin after I finish (re)reading my current Plato's book
then I will check out Isocrates too, I guess

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>Sagittarius in aquilam collimabat et, missa sagitta, confixit aquilam. Cumque, conversa ad sagittam, aquila eam quoque pennatam suis videret esse pennis, “Multis,” inquit, “suae propriae facultates et res insidias et periculum creant.”
>Aesop

I don't ever want to learn a living language. I wasted time on that and was just disappointed. I want to learn an esoteric dead language with a large body of work. Preferably not romance nevause I hate romance!!!
Also I have low iq

>>23977480
Minoan would be your best bet

Ἀλλ’ ὡς ἔρχεται καρπὸς ἐν ἀγρῷ, χαρὰ δὲ ἀνθρώποις,
Χερῶν ἐπιεικὲς τὸν πόδα καὶ νοῦς ἀθανάτου,
Οὐ χρῆσις ἐπιτήδειον ὄχλον τεχνητῶν ἐχθρῶν,
ἀλλ’ ἔργα φύσεως, ἁπλὰ καὶ εὐτυχεῖς.

Ἠώς, χρυσῆν ὀπώραν προσώπου αὐγής,
Αἱ ῥοδαῖ γῆς καὶ φθεγγομένοι ἄνεμοι,
Οὐκ ἀνάγκη μήτε μηχανὰς, μήτε φωνὰς κενὰς,
Ἀλλὰ τὸ φύσει ἔνδοξον καὶ ἰδιότροπον μέλος.

Ἀηδὼν πτηνὸς, ἀμβροσία φύλλων ἠχοῦν,
Χαρά τε θεία καὶ ἀνθρώποις ἰδιότροπον,
Οὐκ ἄνισχεν τοὺς κήπους οὐδὲ βιοῦς ὀκνοῦντας,
Αἰώνας ἐν τοῖς λειμῶσι ταχὺ γίνεσθαι.

Δένδρα καρποῦσιν, ἕνα τὸ πνεῦμα φύει,
Ἐπ' αὐτοῖς ἄλλης τε χαρᾶς ἔρχεται βοὴ,
Ἀνθρώποις ὀμοῦν ἔρχεται πανταχῇ καινὸν ὄλβον,
Εὐφρόσυνον τε καὶ γλυκύτατον γένος.

Ἀλλὰ μὴ, ὦ λαοί, ἐν τῷ σιδήρῳ ἀναστρέφεσθαι,
Οὐχὶ, ἀλλὰ ἐν ἀγροῖς πρὸς ἔργα φύσεως ἐμπόδῳ,
Ἐν ἁπάξ ἀνθρωποῦ τοῦ θεοῦ συντελούμενοι,
Ἡδύνομαι τοῖς κάλλιστοις καρποῖς οἶκος.

>>23977511
>large body of work

>>23977480
I think ancient(but modern too) language learning more than IQ requires the ability to focus on something and do it for a long period of time, which is not a faculty to be understated and it's probably one of the good reasons why it was propedeutic to other education

>>23975929
>No man, it's just a coincidence that some of the best minds of our culture, including but not limited to Newton, Descartes, Pascal, Spinoza, Schopenhauer, Cavendish, Darwin, Mendel, Kepler, and many others.
this sentence has no predicate. And no, I do not "know what you mean."

>>23977480
Gothic.

>>23978649
>large body of work

>>23978676
It has a large body of work and you can fill in the blanks with the other medieval Germanic languages.

>>23978310
He’s saying all those men are autistic because the previous post above that one he was talking about how much he hates normal people and just wants to seclude like a hermit.

>>23978310
That post is a continuation of what he was saying here >>23975892

>>23978703
It has neither

>>23978719
Retard.

>>23978748
Its literally incomplete

>>23978838
It's sufficient to learn the language.

>>23978909
There's no language to learn...there's not enough. And it only has Bible translations

>>23978912
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>23978919
I never claimed to im hoping you will explain

>>23978927
I won't waste my time, you're clearly NGMI.

>>23977517
That's a nice poem who wrote this;

Lost track of who is arguing what
Gothic does not have a large corpus. Part of an NT translation and a few random documents.

If you want a Germanic language with a large corpus, then it's Old Norse or nothing.

What's the best place to stary with Aristotle? I'm about to finish Plato. I heard ethics and politics are a good starting point, but I thought of starting with something simpler like poetics.

>>23979845
Old English is better
Why restrict yourself to germanics though

>>23978715
So knowing that it is a continuation does not tell me what the predicate of the sentence is. >>23978714 this reply does

Been listening to 'The Life of Samuel Johnson'
Absolute kino life, and very /clg/ indeed. He was a world leading classicist during his time, but also very autistic, with ocd, melancholy, adhd and nervousness. Would recc. the audiobook

>>23979904
I was eventually planning to start with the Categories because it's supposedly babby's entry point considering Aristoteles' difficulty, but I'm not sure myself

>>23980647
>start with the Categories
that's been the traditional starting point even in the neo-Platonic schools because it teaches you the building blocks of thinking: individual words and the 10 possible categories under which they may fall. This is not just so your thinking becomes clearer and less liable to sloppy thinking but also detecting when people are using words in an underhanded way. A good dialogue to read and reread is Plato's Euthydemus. Two pseud brothers try to use words in underhanded ways but Socrates shuts down the pseudery by using the concepts and skills taught in the Categories.

>>23979907
nta, but he specifically said >if you want a Germanic language with a large corpus

>>23980831
Where?>>23977480

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>>23980837
?
>>23979845

>>23980876
Hence my question of why restrict to Germanics

>>23980882
see >>23980831

>>23980908
My question still stands. Seems like you're just trying to be combative.

I wish I knew welsh

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>>23975892
>I get why Montaigne locked himself in the tower for years.

Just always remember, even the smartest normie becomes a shit flinging monkey when you mention you're into Latin or ancient Greek.

>heya whats that book?
>hurr durr dead language
>hurr durr why you trying to read that word, faggit?

It's like they all run the same NPC script, after the 100th time having the exact same conversation with them you'll take measures to avoid it, ie "Oh, its just the latest Stephen King novel."

Save first through third gear for day-to-day convo, bonding with normal folks, talking with the wife, et cetera. Save 4th and 5th gear for /lit/, ChatGPT and that rare encounter with a fellow autist. Learn to embrace the loneliness.

>t. knows

>>23981674
That has never been my experience. Are you exclusively associating with coons?

>>23981674
You faggots really want to feel special because you have a (not so) obscure hobby huh, lmao.

Yeah, not that many people know Latin or Greek. So what, do you think yourself better than them? Do you think that, because they don't share /clg/'s specific hobbies, no "normie" out there has read Plato or Aristophanes and you couldn't possibly relate to each other over the classics?

Just the other day, I met an English girl through a common friend. She had an interest in Iran, the Near East in general and archaeology, and my having read Herodotus came in handy. You probably just lack conversational skills.

>>23981719
This
>friendless shut-in steps on a Lego
>I'm just like Montaigne
>pretentious dork has no social skills
>normie apes attack me for my Latin
Losers refusing to accept and take responsibility for their sorry state so they fall back on "must be because I'm so smart and special"

>>23975917
>My main goal is to learn so if you have nothing unique to offer then I don't want to talk to you
Why would anyone with something unique to offer want to talk to you? You yourself just want to learn so you offer nothing to him. Those 'super interesting' people look at you the same way you look at everyone else.

I want to buy a physical edition of the Vulgate because I'm tired of looking at screens. Would you guys happen to have any recommendations?

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>>23981674
iste sane unus e populo non est. fuge multitudinem neve animum ad stridores illiteratorum argumento carentes attenderis nam musae te in Parnaso exspectant quo turbam Apollo amentem arceat.

>>23980727
interesting, I'm currently following the neoplatonic order of reading for Plato as well, but I think I can cheekly get Euthydemus in next since it seems fairly short

Disco latinam et cacam edo. Eheu, caca est nigra, non est sana, sed edo

>>23981739
Baronius press has a nice copy. churchlatin.com seems to have a nice copy but I've never seen it in person so IDK.

>>23981939
Both look very nice. Thank you!

I'd like to learn Latin. Any tips on how to start from scratch?

>dass das
I found the culprit to the English "that that"

>>23982019
Sure. Buy a copy of LLPSI or download a PDF and read through a few chapters. Then decide whether you'd like to supplement it with a textbook, such as Cambridge or Wheelock.

>>23982019
Wikiversity (free, no account required) has a pretty solid from-scratch course if you are looking to dip your toes in online rather than a textbook:
>https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Latin
Each page/lesson has flashcards for drilling both words and sentences which are hosted on Memrise (free, need to register but can use a throwaway):
words: https://community-courses.memrise.com/community/course/748509/
sentences: https://community-courses.memrise.com/community/course/906792/
It links to Wiktionary a lot which will come in handy as you're learning the forms of the declensions and conjugations.
Should be nice to combine with LLPSI as suggested above.

>>23982019
Go in the OP mega link and download the LLPSI files
If you're new to learning highly inflected languages you should start with A Companion to Familia Romana which is also in the mega folder

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When I'm done with Hackett Biblical Hebrew textbook do I move on to another text book or just grind on the bible?

>>23981939
You should get the massive Stuttgart critical edition with the giant apparatus lol... It is CRITICAL that you know EXACTLY what Alcuin had in his PERSONAL bible

>>23981719
>You faggots really want to feel special because you have a (not so) obscure hobby huh, lmao.

This is obviously a very sore spot for you. I'm sorry I triggered you, I didn't mean to offend.

I wish editions which glossed low frequency words were more common

>>23983662
for something as simple as that, just throw in a block of text and tell GPT to make a list of lemmas with their English glosses for uncommon words. make sure to double check.

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so have any of you learned Greek from this guy? he has a phd and talks very smart.

>>23983608
The sore spot being my distaste for pretentious twats?

>>23983840
That guy is way too based for /lit/eddit

>>23983840
lol I watched the first couple of streams he did on teaching Greek from Quinn's coursebook and it was cool since he presented the info with energy, not dry and boring, but after like the 5th stream it just turned into schizo exegesis and no more Greek. He really does practice what he preaches.

>>23983875
Bro you're on /lit/ clg, talking about ancient languages is not pretentious here. I dunno what you're on about.

>>23983936
Thinking yourself superior to others because you know some Latin and Greek is pretentiousness.

why is cicero so much harder than caesar

>>23984018
Anyone that speaks Greek is immediately superior to anyone that does not.

>>23984018
What is now called pretentiousness is present in most ancient authors and if you learn anything from what you read you will be called pretentious as well. At least, that was my experience. If you think that I'm wrong I would like to be proven wrong.

>>23984560
That isn't because of anything you learned from reading, it's because you are an insufferable cunt and no one can stand being around you

>>23984357
Cicero likes to stuff his sentences with enough clauses to make them span a paragraph's length. Cesar likes being concise.

>>23984560
But you're wrong and don't understand what being pretentious is at all.
Get over yourself already

>>23984560
You are extremely cringe. If i saw you behaving this way in person, i would never tell you i study classics.

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>>23982037
>quod quod

Is everyone here a retard like me?

>>23985409
collapsed diphthong-spelling of Caesar <3

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>>23986146

>>23985457
seriously please tell me what i don't understand!!!!!!!!

The rare conative aspect of the imperfect in Latin.......

Best book order for learning Koine greek? sorry if the question is dumb

>>23986849
most start from Attic so your question has probably few people who know by direct experience how to start from Koine, probably most books of this kind would be tailored to those specifically interested in Biblical studies
there's even a LLPSI style attempt which should be focused on Koine https://seumasjeltzz.github.io/LinguaeGraecaePerSeIllustrata/

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>Ut qui natus sit ignoret, cuius sanguinis, quorum sacrorum sit; dimidius patrum sit, dimidius plebis, ne secum quidem ipse concors.
ille affectus quando burgerus es

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>>23987111
nuncupamus eos americanes, hehe

>>23986849
As the other anon said most people start with Attic but people who go to seminaries and mainly want to read the Bible often learn Koine first. I met a guy once who had done that and I was learning Greek at the time, and he told me he was learning Attic and wished he had started with it. But that's just an anecdote.

There's a series called Basics of Biblical Greek which is tailored to just get you reading enough Koine to read the Bible, basically trimming the fat and strategically giving you everything that is overrepresented in the Bible statistically first. There are also interlinear Bible translations that you can begin reading very quickly if you choose this method.

However if you are interested in Koine in the sense of post-classical/Hellenistic authors more generally, I would recommend just learning Attic as your base like normal. People who want to read Plutarch "learn Greek," viz. they learn Attic, they don't really learn Koine first. I personally can't see much of a reason to learn Koine specifically unless you're interested in a specific set of texts, as in the Bible example above.

>>23987255
>>23987104
okay, thanks for the responses guys. I do have a focus on the bible but I think I may go for attic as a base and then learn koine specifically.

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>>23982754
ענה־נא לי

>>23987275
I would do both, just start getting an interlinear and brute forcing vocabulary as soon as you understand even the most basic verb declensions in Greek. It's actually very useful to have a text you are forced to focus on like this because the part of you that has to and wants to memorize the text will join up with the part of you that has to and wants to memorize the language, and when one is weak the other will help out. For example when you try to remember a word and the language part of your memory fails you, you'll remember it because you read that word 30 times in Matthew which you've read 30 times, even if what you're doing in that moment has nothing to do with your Bible studies and you're just trying to read Plutarch or something.

>>23987398
I can see why that would be good. I think I'll do both like you suggest.

Χαíρετε,
I must say I quite like the Assiml Greek course, though still early on in it (ἕβδομον μάθημα). Have any of you used it in its full extent? It seems to bring one to a pretty well understanding of Greek, considering the final lesson is a reading from the Odyssey

>>23987180
>canes
teneo

>bored to tears with Caesar
>have a gander at Augustine's confessions
>it's perfect for my skill level and reads well to boot
Feels good desu

>>23987719
The difficulty curve is much steeper than that of other Assimil courses.

>>23982040
>>23982081
>>23982111
nta, but thank you for these posts. i've regressed to only studying anki vocabulary, but it seems real progress will only come through (re)starting llpsi and starting wheelock...

I read William Hale’s essay on the art of teaching Latin and it’s a bit blackpilling. His method of teaching how to read feels insurmountable for an autodidact. I’ve been learning for about 6 months, finished Familia Romana and have read some Caesar and a few books from the Vulgate. I read one word at a time and if I don’t understand the sentence I reread it, then repeat until I understand. So per his method that would be like cheating because I didn’t understand it in the same way the Romans did. I eventually approach the same meaning, but only by having priors through repetition. I still can’t sight read complex sentences with tricky word order. Does this come naturally or do I really have to follow his tedious method of 1) read word, explicitly list all possible syntactic constructions that might use that word in its form 2) repeat for next word, then re-review previous word, 3) and so on recursively for each word
>https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3atext%3a1999.04.0066

>>23988810
Why not go back and do some more LLPSI?
It's ok to re-read so long as you're re-reading the entire thing and not using grammar translation as a crutch

>>23988810
That method sucks all the joy out of reading and turns it into a tedious exercise. Romans did not "list all possible syntactic constructions that might use that word in its form" anymore than you do when you hear 'to' or 'so'.
Just keep reading, it will get better and faster over time.

>>23988982
I’ve reread three times so far. I’m getting better but I wanted to start getting more vocabulary asap

>>23989003
It seems like Hale’s point is that while Romans didn’t use the explicit listing method, they internalized it by getting input and output from an early age. So his method is a stepping stone for non native speakers to get to that internalization. Thanks though, I’ll keep reading and hope that it comes naturally

>>23988067
I tried reading Augustine, but found him painfully dull. I just can't relate to religious writing.

>>23989741
Just get past like the first half of chapter 1 of the Confessions and it's great. City of God is mid though.

>>23987111
hoc tempore Europaei quoque διγενείς sunt nesciuntque unde sint. Loqui cum quibusdam Germanis ac audies "Salve, Mehmet Schneider sum"

iam linguam latinam discui sed latinam quattour habeo. memoria hic inscribo. linguam greciam non discebo ergo postea ultimum lusum latinam grecam discere coeperim. identidem totum hic memorio dico.

>>23989652
You re-read every book 3 times?
That's impressive

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>totum HANC

ergo vobis qaerem: grecam novam discere soleo? valde grecam antiquam discerim. ad grecam terram ipsam venire poterim. estne nova lingua necesse?

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>>23984357
>Caesarum
id faciamus
et deinde illum faciamus
ad hostes PROVOLERANT!
>Ciceronem
vide

God i want to learn Latin but no bookstores have any in stock

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>>23990255
>>23982019
liberum canis legete sumiteque

>>23990260
Yeah I've been looking for that or Wheelock people just look at me like an alien

>>23990255
abebooks

>>23990255
Go to any bookstore and ask for the books
They'll be able to order it in for you by opening up their amazon prime account, finding the book and then getting it the next day

>>23990267
You'll have to get them online. I had a great post going but hit 'escape' on accident
Here's the latin learning tier list instead
>high tier: wheelock under strict old codger professor
>med tier: hanz oberg's beginner book there
>low tier? wheelock independent study unless you really apply yourself and use whatever few online videos there are for pronunciation
I feel like I have the language down pretty well. Right now my latin III professor is teaching out of Geoffrey Steadman's texts (Cena Trimalchionis). They have all the vocabulary you could ask for and he tells you what type of grammatical devices the text uses. The tests are open note for some reason (need to pass everyone to get paid) and Wheelock is a great reference for the grammar questions, it makes the work trivial really. I took Latin I and II with a really strict professor. Latin III is with this new professor at some fancy private university. He means well but he has to teach 4 classes and head his own department by himself.
Hanz Oberg has a kind of negative synergy with Wheelock. It's hard to explain.
>Romani aiunt 'coniunctivus'
>hodie totus populus aiunt "subiunctivus." quid ergo est?

>>23990298
Thats what I've been doing but they just shrug and say they haven't had any in
Just luck i guess

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>>23990311
Amazon started as a bookstore and it's still a bookstore and I don't feel bad if I only order books off of it

>>23990162
0% latinx even doe he spoke latin

>>23990317
I don't have that option only my local stores

>>23990310
I wish I had the chance to study Latin in university. I'm so jealous. Now I'm just old and stupid. I wish some strict old professor could take me under his wing and teach me Latin

>>23990324
Some community college courses will cost you like $600 for 2 semesters. They have 0 requirements to get in other than paperwork like transcripts if you have any. I wouldn't recommend college to learn a language since literally youtube and videogames can teach you any modern language but Latin is basically arcane knowledge

like this guy is out of luck presumably
>>23990321
maybe find the nearest university. universities have bookstores, they might just sell you the text they work out of, and some youtube videos can round out your pronunciation

>>23990343
My local university stopped teaching Latin. The lady at the desk just gave me a sad look. Haha
I've lost interest in learning living languages. And Latin seems to have the biggest corpus of interesting work.

>>23990353
>Latin seems to have the biggest corpus of interesting work
Greek called

>>23990359
I shitposted in Latin here
>23990190
>23990150
But I have to ask. Should I pick up some modern Greek over the summer before I start Ancient Greek in school? Should I ignore modern Greek? I want some input. I want to do some study abroad and there's programs in Greece and Rome. I could fancy a career there if they like me and let me intern somewhere

>>23990359
Latin is still larger...

How faithful are the translations of David R. Slavitt? I'm not sure if I can trust him, for various reasons

>>23990369
A career doing what?
How much do you care about modern Greek? It may be slightly confusing
Only think I know about modern Greek writing is Nikos Kazantzakis

>>23990377
I'm planning on visiting Greece (and Italy) for study abroad so I want to learn some phrases at the very least
>slightly confusing
that's not so bad
I'll take a career doing basically anything if someone wants a translator

>>23990394
Personally. I would be more interested in learning modern Greek and ancient Greek rather than picking up Italian along with my Latin but I've been to neither country and don't know the state of either of them or their employment. But I imagine that modern Greek translation might be a little more in demand than Italian? Just because more people know Italian and jts overall easier to learn.

But learning Italian would allow you to read their literature like Dante too which can't be understated.

>>23990394
Feel like translator is a dead job to be honest especially for western European languages

>>23975143
Does Middle English count as a classical language? Or early modern?
How much study do I need before I can read them

>>23990419
>>23990403
I might be happy digging up Roman bricks if I was paid professionally. I'll scout it out in a year or two after I get a passport

>>23990433
I had a teacher that did archeology in Rome but that would have been 15 years ago.

>>23990359
The writing in Latin in th early modern period is far more interesting than anything the ancients ever wrote.

>>23990499
For Latin absolutely

Personally I want to master Latin to translate histories from the medieval period myself. Greek for me would be useful for the original New Testament and the Septuagint. As well there's some uses I could imagine for knowing sophisticated Attic. With these skills and a shiny degree I'm sure I could do something useful.

>>23990510
to be fair, there isn't a lot of interesting literature written in modern Latin, so maybe you're right, but I'd still contend that the early modern philosophers who wrote in Latin surpassed the Romans, Greeks, and medieval peoples who tried to follow in their footsteps.

>>23990536
It shocks me how long Latin was used. Its insane.
Honestly I wish we still used it. Its not even about conservatives or trad culture stuff. I think it even fits more as a lingua franca for at least the west rather than forcing English
And it would have taken the pressure off of English. One of my other controversial ideas is that English could use adjustments to its orthography, spelling, or even a new alphabet all together

>>23990550
>forcing English
That isn't how lingua francas develop. No one forced it, other countries chose it and at this point that won't be changing in your lifetime at minimum
t. live in Asia

>>23990536
Which men are you thinking about in particular?
>>23990550
The issue with Latin re-adoptation is the difficulty of learning it (say, compared to French). So you have all the nations of Europe, all have trouble learning Latin for various reasons: The Romance and English spekers are bad with the grammar while the German, Greek and Slavic speakers are bad with vocabulary. Because of this, French acts as a better intermediate for a widespread language because of its relation with the various Romance languages and its easy of learning compared to Latin.
I do agree with you overall, and I attribute this overthrowing of Latin to the nationalistic frenzy of the 19th century. But, being realistic, I don't know if it could ever come back as the lingua Franca of Europe.

>>23990595
i'm 90% sure medieval people wanting to learn Latin went to Italy and learned from Italian people doing their best, and that's how Ecclesiastic Latin was made

>>23990595
If we're going to compromise French does make sense
It just makes me feel bad when I see people far away from England struggling to learn English because it's so different. Latin already accomplishes what Esperanto set out to do. It really is a good middle ground. I only speak English and I didn't find the ideas behind Latin grammar that hard.

>>23990558
In Poland, virtually everyone under 30 knows English well and virtually everyone over 40 knows no English at all. These things can happen VERY quickly if there is a cultural and/or economic force behind it.

Incidentally, they reintroduced Latin as a regular (elective) high school subject a couple of years ago, though I don't know how popular it is yet. I do know that in western Europe Latin as a school subject has, depending on country, a steady percentage of students or even a slowly growing one.

I'm not saying that there will definitely be a major Latin comeback soon, I'm just saying that you can't possibly know what will happen "in your lifetime", say if you're a zoomer or even a millenial. My parents' generation spent their entire youth believing that Russian will be the only language worth learning in their lifetime and this has radically changed within a few years.

>>23990633
OK, screencap my post and refer back to it when you are 80 and English, mangled though it may be, is still the lingua franca of the entire world.

>>23990663
Thats a bit of an over the top reply.

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>>23990663
>OK, write this down and refer back to it when you are 80 and Russian, mangled though it may be, is still the lingua franca of all the East.

>>23990683
Why did you even participate im the discussion if you're just going to flip the chessboard over.

>>23990595
>Which men are you thinking about in particular?
Descartes, Spinoza, More, Erasmus, Francis Bacon, Hobbes, etc.

>>23990715
>surpassed the Romans, Greeks, and medieval peoples
I'm sorry but no, the stated men did not surpass the Greeks, Romans, and medieval people

>>23988810
i am confused by the method, how are you supposed to do it? do i look each word in the dictionary? am i forbidden to do that? i think i am retarded i don't get it

>>23990760
If you want to make an argument for the Greeks, I could understand, but most of them outside of Plato and Aristotle are a waste of time. The Romans contributed next to nothing of philosophical value, and the Descartes rendered everything the medieval did outside of formal logic totally obsolete.

>>23990765
And Marx rendered all of philosophy before him irrelevant, including Descartes

I still romanticise academia and think of it as that 20th/19th century thing. But its well over right? Everything i hear about it sounds rough. As an autodidact Latinist would it just be pointless for me, a waste of time and money? I'm well past traditional college age. I'm American too. Is being a classics professor or pholologist not possible anymore now.
Seems like everything that isn't STEM is going down the tubes and even STEM struggles now too. That would have been an ideal way to spend my autumn years...

>>23990784
>still believing in progress

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>>23990803
>Not believing in progress because of a few lost decades

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>>23990815
>believing in progress beause of a few centuries

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>>23990815
progress doesn't exists

>>23990833
kek

>>23990792
>I'm well past traditional college age. I'm American too. Is being a classics professor or pholologist not possible anymore
The ship has sailed. Sorry.
On the bright side you would have absolutely hated academia

>>23990792
Yeah, I wish I made more of my education when I had the opportunity.
I've been looking for Latin classes near me, and it doesn't look like anyone accessible to me is offering

>>23990763
Read the essay.

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iussu decemvirorum filis servandis ecc' adsum

>>23990324
>>23990792
Why do people romanticize academia? Is it pride? We live in the greatest period in human history for autodidacts to flourish.

>>23992841
Its cool

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frātrēs... ego... amō cibum... holera amō edere...

>>23992841
ego credo academiam nigram valde frigidam esse quia multas picturas moventes in tiktok vidi et volo imitare eos quod fasciculus sum

>>23993249
>academiam nigram valde frigidus
Academia niger significat istam academiam tenebram quam waldunfasciculi amant, quod autem significat "valde frigidus"?

>>23993257
super cool

>>23993255
ah, jam video >>23993257
(vere dixisti)

>>23993257
>academiam tenebram
istam malo

ego non sum miles gloriosus sed lector. omnes libros exsistentes devoravi et in animo concoxi. re vera bibliophagus sum at libros quidem hodierinos respuo. in fastigio lentus iacio.

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numquam loquar Latine tam bene quam quilibet monachus, adulescentulus quidem, qui 1800s vivebat

bono esto animo chudule nam quodam die poteris latine cum puella japonica picta colloqui de bello gerendi contra fasciculos.

>>23993296
bibulus phagut es (bibis semen)

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>>23993302
tū existis, amīcus meī. tū vīvis, es laetē. nōn lacrimā. nōn est MDCCC, sed nunc es ubi tū habitās. latīnum meī nōn probum est, autem vivō iam, et ego laetus sum.

>>23993354
meum semen in terram (id est vaginam) matris tuae spargo

>>23992841
It seems comfy. Great architecture on beautiful campuses, surrounded by inquiring bright minds, spending most of the day in a cozy office reading and writing on topics you care deeply about, enriching future generations with years of accumulated knowledge and getting paid to do all of the above.
In reality it is nothing like that, the dream is dead. Shaniqua twerks in the library and you will be censured for not applauding.

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>>23993551
gratias ago vobis, amici mei, nam iam laetior sum. opto ut quodam die lingua Latina instauret, ut sicut homines ea utabantur in anno domini M, ita homines illo die ea iterum utentur. puto vos sentire similiter mihi, ac debet facere quod vis, ergo Latinam instauremus.

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>>23993733
did GPT pass?

>>23993565
>id est vaginam

>>23993781
istud non scripsi, GPT autem mihi videtur recte Anglizisse

>>23990550
>English could use ... a new alphabet
ᚱᛖᛏᚢᚱᚾ ᛏᛟ ᛏᚱᚨᛞᛁᛏᛁᛟᚾ

>>23993800
I'd go blind learning to read this

>>23993785
You use i.e, not e.e., no?

>>23993800
It should be tengwar

>>23993804
Not the point. The predicate should be in the nominative.

>>23993800
Used way too briefly and there really isn't much written in it at all. Not to mention how much English has changed

whats a dead/old version of a germanic language with the most written in it

>>23993839
do you put the word being i.e'd into the predicate? Shouldn't it match cases with the word being referred back to?

People talk about making English more Germanic and original with anglish and stuff but is there any movement in the opposite direction? What does English look like if you maximize its romance aspects?

>>23993833
Tengwar looks cool, but I don't like using diacritics for vowels. I prefer Cirth.

Does Wheelock edition matter? Is the one labeled harper Collins College outline the same full book or is it something else

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>>23981719
>Just the other day, I met an English girl through a common friend. She had an interest in Iran
How dreadful

>>23993909
>do you put the word being i.e'd into the predicate?
Yes, "id" being the nominative subject, it should take a nominative predicate.
>Shouldn't it match cases with the word being referred back to?
No, the reasoning is the same as e.g. using a relative pronoun in the nominative to refer back to an accusative. In general, it is a rule of Latin that copulative verbs (sum, fio) always take nominative predicates outside of ACI constructions where the subject is in the accusative, therefore the predicate must agree in case.

>>23993912
In general, it is possible to maximise the Romance aspects of English, for example by employing a Romance term every couple vocable, but the core vocabulary remains Germanic in nature, primarily pronouns and articles:
>it, the, a, every
Prepositions:
>in, to, of, for, by
Conjunctions:
>but, and

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Anything for Classical Sanskrit / CJKV grammar that are like the Routledge manuals? I love this publisher like you wouldn't believe

>>23993999
Thanks gpt
But what about just adopting Latin and Norman and old French preposition and articles and pro nouns wherever necessary
And English still makes use of things like inter intra supra

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>>23994467
The only reason you think that was written by ChatGPT is because I used so many Romance words.

>But what about just adopting Latin and Norman and old French preposition and articles and pro nouns wherever necessary
Then that would not be English anymore. Just look up Law French if you want something close to this.
>Richardson Chief Justice de Common Banc al assises de Salisbury in Summer 1631 fuit assault per prisoner la condemne pur felony, que puis son condemnation ject un brickbat a le dit justice, que narrowly mist, et pur ceo immediately fuit indictment drawn per Noy envers le prisoner et son dexter manus ampute et fix al gibbet, sur que luy mesme immediatement hange in presence de Court.

It's funny that I can understand all of this as a reader of English, Old French and Latin.

>>23994474
lmao that's hilarious. Why didn't they just write in English or Latin at that point?

>>23993880
I imagine one of Saxon norse or high german

>>23994474
Then that would not be English anymore
But it would. There are alternatives that are already accepted English.

>>23994561
>There are alternatives that are already accepted English.
dasrite dem mfs be talmbout owl turn native forms of English ain't English be overlookin AAVE

>>23994108
that book is making my autism erect

English should have separate characters for
th the of a/an on in
Because Why stop at &

>>23994474
L' language d'english requires reform.

>>23993916
Use diacritics for vowels now

>>23995012
Used to be a separate letter for th.

bonus dies, ego me appello Jean-Pierre et ego venio de Paris et ego adoro manducare panem et caesum et bibere vinum et fumare tabacum caelo lacrimas demittente amaras.

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DISCUI
MAGNUM DISCUI

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Mei date. Dico.

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>>23995886
nota bene

>23995884
improbus etiam pigerrimus sum. "mihi" dativum est non "mei" genitivum

Any recommendations for simple Sanskrit philosophical texts to practice translation? I've done two semesters of Sanskrit grammar, up to and including a bit of syntax.

I've also studied classical philology so I'm not unfamiliar with filling in the gaps with grammar books and dictionaries during translation so no need to be too conservative in recommendations.

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>>23982754
Could you guys cool it with the antisemitism and answer my fucking question? Thanks in advance.

Why was runic so short lived in every language? There's nothing to read. Vgh....

>>23992841
Being an autodidact means you will work twice as hard for half the progress you would in a formal setting.

>>23997363
so i wont even be able to read a translation and then the latin to understand like Dr. Beard?

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>Greek professor invited me to her family's Thanksgiving
>found out that the classical studies dean will also be attending
>Only met him twice, so I'm sure he recognizes me, but doesn't know my name
>I'm not even a classics major and don't intend to pursue my studies in it past undergrad

how can I not fuck this up? I just transferred here from community college this semester. I have like a fun anecdote to share about my grampa teaching me koine while I was a farmhand, so I'll be going for the lovable bumpkin route. I know he's from the Midwest and has a similar background to me

>>23997398
You already have a more interesting story than 90% of undergrads

>>23997398
talk about how much you admire emily wilson's translations

>>23988086
4 days into it and I absolutely agree
Though it is still leagues better than any Greek resource I've encountered

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>tfw you come across a three syllable word and don't know where the accent goes because you don't if the penultimate is long or short

>>23997398
This is the borgo pass phenotype

>>23997372
You can still learn it, but it's slower and takes more effort.
Still worth doing, but it's just how it works.

>>23997464
This is why I've set my goals low and just try to learn easier old languages

>>23997372
I've given up all hope of ever becoming fluent.

I will continue to stumble through texts with a dictionary and facing translation and make the best of it.

>>23993800
Futhorc is just as defective for English as the Latin Alphabet is. Having said that, you can get away with a phonetic English by adding þ, ð, ŋ, ж, and adding diacritics (only one is needed) to aeiou.

>>23997493
English is a literal alien language

>>23997496
What makes you feel so?

>>23997398
Don't bring it up until there is a natural entry point in the conversation otherwise you will sperg out and blow your load too quickly.
If you don't intend to pursue your studies why do you even care? Just be social and pleasant, polite and well-mannered, fun to be around, people remember that much more than anecdotes. Do you think the Classics dean hasn't heard a thousand of them already? He is predisposed to hearing sycophants trying to get in his good graces.
>lovable bumpkin
wtf
Do not turn Thanksgiving into a platform for promoting yourself. Enjoy the food, conversation and meeting people. With her family there how much talk do you think will be focused on classics? Probably almost none.
I would suggest that you BEE YOURSELF but you show signs of sperging already. You are a guest, act like it and put forth a kind image to everyone without dominating or forcing yourself anywhere. Talk to everyone - getting along with old people and children will make you more memorable than hounding the dean so you can get lots of face time with him and share your aw shucks golly gee anecdote.

>>23997508
Can you not ask me questions

>>23997537
I'm intrigued because I think the English are an alien race put on Earth to rapidly master and subjugate the entire thing. (starting in the 16th century)

>>23997075
Weren't the cultures who used it still predominantly oral cultures who used runes mostly for certain ceremonial purposes?

>>23997562
Then why do they speak a language that's very obviously related to the other Germanic languages? Which, for that matter, is attested well before the 16th century?

>>23997596
If this were another thread you would be telling me that it's Franco-Latin.

>>23997601
I'm fairly certain I wouldn't. I'm well aware that English is a Germanic language, heavy on French and Latin loanwords though it may be. I think you may be confusing me with another anon.

>>2399765
Damn you're boring as fuck.

>>23997592
Pretty much. Runic stuff and ogham was basically meant to carve into stone and wood not to make cool narratives

>>23993912
The first edition of the Douay–Rheims bible.

>Ephesians 3:6–12
The Gentiles to be coheires and concorporat and comparticipant of his promise in Christ JESUS by the Gospel: whereof I am made a minister according to the gift of the grace of God, which is given me according to the operation of his power. To me the least of al the sainctes is given this grace, among the Gentils to evangelize the unsearcheable riches of Christ, and to illuminate al men what is the dispensation of the sacrament hidden from worldes in God, who created all things: that the manifold wisdom of God, may be notified to the Princes and Potestats in the celestials by the Church, according to the prefinition of worldes, which he made in Christ JESUS our Lord. In whom we have affiance and accesse in confidence, by the faith of him.

>>23975143
I will never make a career in historical languages, because it is way too competitive. Meanwhile my lecturers in Old High German, Latin and Old English don’t seem to care about the subject, and they completely ignore phonology.

>>23998472
>competitive
there may only be like 5 openings but there's only like 6 people who want them man

>>23998472
>they completely ignore phonology
because their job is not to impress zoomers on youtube but the 7 other scholars who read their articles on lesbian eskimo queens in the late empire.

>>23998474
There are hundreds of out of work/underworked Classics PhDs if not thousands

>>23998475
I don’t get it, some of them dedicate their whole life to latin but never treat it as a spoken language

>>23998487
it isn't

>>23998492
what zero autism does to mf

>>23998481
there are also hundreds of positions if they would only consent to consider moving to a city that isn't on the coast

>>23998487
I guess it's kinda the tradition of seeing Latin as "grammar" and in a special place vis-a-vis vulgar languages from the middle ages still living on, seeing it as a semi-artificial instrument of time-proof transmission of knowledge; it has its pros and cons

>>23998472
Focus on Latin and get a job at a Catholic school teaching kids. 100x more comfy and fulfilling than academia.

>>23997485
>i will forever do pushups on my knees because it's easier
these new niggas built diff tho ong

>>23998502
Classics departments have been shrinking for decades, even Colorado and Oklahoma get hundreds of applicants. You don't know how bleak the situation is.

>>23998587
This is the way to go

>>23998487
No one speaks it fluently. At best they will reconstruct a faulty pidgin and bumble through basic conversations. Leave that to negroes.

>>23998617
>hundreds of applicants
Stop complaining and get better, or make your own job. In California right now it’s the norm for IT jobs to reach 2-3 thousand applicants, and you’re competing with infinite jeets.

>>23998732
>make your own job
>classics
Let me guess - First half of LLPSI?

Are there any resources on autodidact learning AngloNorman from a English perspective with no French knowledge?

>>23998620
some of the old school priests in the vatican might

>>23998794
Volume II of Gellius.

>>23999358
You've got to learn French
Get French for Reading by Karl Sandberg and blitz through it

Anons, I've started using LGPSI Logos to learn Greek. I feel like I'm being filtered by the fact that the entire book is in Greek, which means that the grammatical logic and meaning of many sentences are difficult for me to understand, even in the first few pages of the book. Am I low IQ or is anyone else having this struggle?

>>23999358
Anglo-Norman is just Old French. Early Anglo-Norman is in fact closer to "standard Old French" than continental Norman, which I surmise is because over half of William's soldiers who settled England were not even actually Norman.

And if you want to learn Old French, E. Einhorn's textbook doesn't presume any prior knowledge of either French or Latin, though I can't help you on the vocabulary acquisition part since I went into it as a native French speaker.

Once you get to reading texts in Anglo-Norman, there is a specialised online dictionary in English: https://anglo-norman.net

>>23999379
>>23999859
Thank you

>>23998587
I saw a Latin teaching job posting for a Catholic school with decent pay here in England, but it would require me to move to the north. I want to stay in the south, so I can be close to my family. I sent them an email asking if I could tutor students remotely (webcam + mic), so let's hope they agree.

>>23999551
the challenge is up to you so to speak, what I mean is, nothing's stopping you from supplementing your reading with a grammar, even just an online resource to get clearer details on the chapter's new grammar, but struggling per se isn't bad, it's part of the learning puzzle; in any case, the strong thing about books like Logos or Athenaze is to get the learner to absorb common lexicon and constructions in a much more organic manner by heavy reading, I don't think you should feel like you "cheated" if you supplement the grammar elsewhere for more clarity, but make sure you are able to read each chapter with ease before going to the next

>>24000058
>want classics jobs
>unwilling to relocate
hope youre patient, because you wont be getting that one

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>>23975143
I'm going to visit the archeological museum in Komotini on Monday, /clg/, what should I keep in mind? How should I approach it to get most out of it? I'm trying to visit all archeological sites in Greece, Δωδώνη is actually my next destination.

>>24000485
Are you asking for tips on how to go to a museum?

>>24000488
Actually more like asking if people into the classics have something to say about visiting museums.

>Latin
>Greek
>Hebrew
>German
Are these the only perfect languages worth learning?

>>24000499
bring a notepad and a pencil, maybe a monocular if you have one. Not sure what you're looking for here, why would classicists visit museums any differently than anyone else? If you were reading rare manuscripts maybe there would be more advice.
If you want to know about Greek architecture and art the time to learn that is long before Monday

>>24000540
I'm pretty clueless myself about museums and archeological sites, so I thought that while visiting them, I'd learn more about them and since there is such a thing as museology, I thought someone here may have something special about it to say.
Definetily though visiting museums is more rewarding the more often you do it, especially when studying the ancients.It offers unexpected perspectives, can exemplify things you've read about. Yes, it can even be life-changing.

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>>24000557
For example I'd never would have known about this fellow, who is singular, it's the only existing statue, if I didn't visit the museum at Veria, which didn't have much else worthy of note.

>>23993800
see >>23997493
That runic row is not suited to express English. It would do as good of a job at it as it would with Japanese, or Hungarian, or Cherokee.

>>24001313
That being said, the Latin alphabet is absolutely not defective, and in fact works stellar when it comes to expressing English.

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Is there an app for Ancient Chinese?

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ad summum

>>24000510
qrd on german? i was never able to fall in love.

How are Japanese translations of Chinese classics?

>>24001316
It could be made to work well, but the current system is pretty far from stellar.
>>24001590
None that I know of at least in English (do you speak any modern Sinosphere vernacular?), but there are plenty of good textbooks.
>>24002557
Many are quite good, and they're at least fairly abundant.

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here's the reconstructed pronunciation of the language
*speaks with the heaviest american accent*

>>24002695
I can't find anyone else doing it
All I've found is brief snippets and some in Icelandic

>>24003059
idk if he talks about Norse but https://www.youtube.com/@a.z.foreman74/videos

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>skipped reading for two days

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I found an Old English frequency dictionary
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/362174076_A_Frequency_Dictionary_of_Old_English_Prose_for_learners_of_Old_English_and_historical_linguists
You only need to learn 2000 or so words to get a decent coverage but I'm not sure how representative the texts they've chosen here are
I imagine the percentages would be a lot lower for poetry
They've also said that the lemmatisation is context-independent which might be a problem

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>that tangent about hollow earth at the end of Phaedo
is there some precise reconstruction of what blud was imagining it like? google doesn't help much

For those who choose to do deliberate vocabulary study either through anki or maybe translation exercises, how do you choose which words you want to study beyond the first 1000-2000 words?

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I wasted +$1000 on a ten-week online "intensive" latin course where each session consists of the teacher reading from the book and then asking us to translate a selection of text as homework. The last few weeks I've been attending to be nice because the class is so small (me and two other students) and because I was hoping I'd still get something out of the class. Today I decided I'm not going to any more of the classes. I could have gotten the same knowledge from reading the book on my own, which I have been doing. I'm also nearly finished with Familia Romana and that's been way more enjoyable and useful for me. The teacher is a nice and smart guy with academic credentials, but he's literally just reading the textbook to us. Posting to vent because I feel scammed.

>>24006888
That guy seems like a scumbag to me
The least he could do would be to pretend that he wasn't just reading from the book and also provide you with a lot of interesting sentences to work with from the corpus that are handpicked for your current level
Just reading from the book is the laziest fucking thing you could do
Anyway I'm not sure what hourly wage he's making from this but either way he's providing poor value to his 'students' so I'm not sure that it matters

>>24001316
>the Latin alphabet is absolutely not defective
In linguistics "defectiveness" is used to refer to a writing system not conveying some facet of the language. All writing is defective to some degree as it's not speech, by definition. The English alphabet is absolutely defective, requiring all manner of digraphs and trigraphs, and lacking characters that make numerous sounds that are regularly used. It also has characters that overlap for no reason, and the mess that is Q and X.

>>24006849
>read
>write down words that I don't know
>if word appears more than once in notes study it
>if continually forget word study it

>Obsidionem Magdeburgae vide apud Sleidan. 1.20, &c. fidei et fortitudinis Christianse exemplum reperies.
fun to read the notes Milton wrote to himself

>>24002695
>>24003059
Crawford is the worst source to learn pronunciation from. The rest of his stuff is entry level stuff that's completely fine, just don't mimic his speech.

>>24007322
>The English alphabet is absolutely defective, requiring all manner of digraphs and trigraphs, and lacking characters that make numerous sounds that are regularly used
that's not defectiveness
you seem to have this erroneous idea that writing must be a transcription tool of some sort

>>24007391
Better sources for pronunciation?

>>24007391
You're being ridiculous. The English alphabet is horrendous

This is the draft of a short, very simple Greek composition exercise for one of my University courses. Does this work at all/is this any good?

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ὅυτως τε ἡ αγαθὴ νεάνις ἱέρεια ἣ ἐν τῷ ἱέρῳ ὕπερ τὸν ὕδατα ᾤκει καὶ τὴν ψυχὴν ἐγύμναζε πρὸ τῆς πανσοφὴς θεὰς νῦν τίθεται. πρὸς ἐκείνην τὴν αὐτὴν θεὰν σπένδει, καὶ, ἔπειτα καὶ σὺν μακρῷ ἐνθυσιασμῷ, λέγειν ἄρχει.

“ἀξία μῆτερ, ἀειλαμπρὰ βασιλεία ἣ τόνδε τὸν αισχρὸν κόσμον οὐ λείπει, τὴν ἀλήθειαν νῦν ἐμοὶ ἀποκαλύπτειν σοῦ δέομαι· τὶ τὸ τέλος, τὸ ἀνώτατο τέλος, τῆς ἀνθρώπου; καὶ τὶς ἡ ὀδὸς ᾓ τὸν ἡ φθάνοι; ἐνθάδε ἐν φόβῳ καὶ τρομερῲ ἄλγει οἰκειῶ, φύγειν τε μάλα ἐπιθυμῶ. πότνια, σοῦ δέομαι· παίδευε ἐμέ· ὠφέλει ἐμέ.”

“ἔξεστι τε καὶ δοκεῖ,” ἡ θεὰ σὺν καλὸς γελάσματι παρὰ τὸ καλὸν αυτὸν ἀποκρίνει, “σοὶ ἐμὲ ἀφικνεῖσθαι, γλυχεῖα γλύκα. ἐγὼ τὴν σοῦ ἐπιθυμίας ἀλήθειαν ἔχω· τὸ τέλος, τὸ ἀνώτατο τέλος, τῆς ἀνθρώπου ἐστὶ ΜΗ ΕΙΝΑΙ. ἐν τῷ τοῦ πρώτου χρόνου ἀθανάτῳ ἡλιοκρυσῲ τῆς ἐπιθυμίας ἐστὶ ΑΓΑΠΗ μόνη, τὸ ἓν παρὰ τὸν λόγον, παρὰ τὸν νοῦν, παρὰ τὸν πλῆθος αὐτόν· ἐκείνη τε ἡ ἐπιθυμία ἐστὶν ἡ αὐτη καὶ νῦν, καὶ σοί. ἔπειτα ἐμὲ ἔρχου, φίλη θύγατερ· ἔρχου, καὶ φεύγε.”

>>24007391
>worst source to learn pronunciation
That's every YouTuber.

>>24007446
>καὶ δοκεῖ
It's okay dokey ;)

>>24006849
prioritize the jargon in whatever field you are interested in so if history gather as much military/political terminology. also geographical. don't cast your net too wide or you'll get lost in the ankisauce

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Writing these letters is fucking brutal. I am now convinced that Chinese people are schizophrenic.

>>24007452
not really. university professors don't care about pronunciation and half-ass everything, at least here in poorope

>>24007943
>>24007943
>>24007943

>>24007446
reads like koine mixed with modern or something