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>>24000463
Nigga when it comes to fantasy i've only read old pulp and classic fantasy books, but what the fuck is up with those book covers nowadays, niggas were commissioning frank frazetta back in the day and now it's shit that is indistinguishable from ai slop.
Do you folk look at that shit and think, "yep that's kino" and gobble the slop inside???

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>For many ages people have whispered quietly about [thing] in terrified voices
>As I am a man of science and skepticism, I shall look into [thing] and reveal the secrets therein
>OH MY GODS THE TERROR, YOU CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE IT
>also, fuck n*ggers.

repeat for 1000 pages
I mean I still enjoyed it

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Why vampires though?

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>>24000463

>>24000512
Mistake people make with Lovecraft is read his works in collected form. They were originally serialized in magazines and you can definitely tell because if you read them back-to-back they're very similar in writing.

Bakker is KING

I’m a third of the way the great ordeal and I have no fucking clue what’s going on anymore. What the fuck is this nigga Kellhus doing? What does he even want at this point? What does he believe? Are we even supposed to know? Why did he do THAT? And I’m still salty about the cuckening of Sorweel.


Total dûnyain death, fucking insane cunts. Gentle hugs and kisses for Theli though.

Jesus Christ Wandering Inn is so fucking long. What is the current wordcount at?

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Post the
>last book you read
>current book you are reading
>next book you plan to read

and/or
talk about Dungeon Crawler Carl

just started the way of kings what am i in for?

>>24000672
just read the fucking book to the end dumbass

>>24000667
of (non-consensual) GAYSEX

>>24000946
just read the fucking book to the end dumbass

>>24000615
How do I know which parts to read doe

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Just finished this. The latter half of the book was good.

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He's known more for fantasy but how was Poul Anderson's sci-fi stuff? Anything stand out?

The Poppy War worth reading? “Badass” fem protag by a fem author in a school setting is setting off alarms.

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Recommend me some good fantasy with elves/dwarves. What I have read (or what I remember):

Tolkien and some imitators (McKiernan, somewhat Tad Williams)
RPG stuff (Forgotten Realms, DragonLance, Wahammer FB, Dark Sun)
The Witcher
Riyria Revelations

I would prefer something with Northern/autumnal/winter atmosphere (like "Dragonsbane" by Hambly or Northern POWs of ASOIAF), but that's not strict.

Hyperion cantos wasn't as good as it started out as. Still very good.
BOTNS is still the best sffg series I've read. Followed by Malazan. Then probably Dying Earth.

>>24001096
No.

>>24001171
I haven't read malazan but I loved BOTNS. Are they similar?

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>>24000484
Every area in regards to aesthetically pleasing things has gone down hill. From cars, to architecture, etc, any art is fucked because it's no longer about skill/merit. It is about what sells fast plus the whole computer making things easier/lazier.

https://youtu.be/-THaKNzY-vE?si=RLAJ3bqBSRfbgI_r
here is an example of mcdonalds early days being a place you WANT to stay at and eat, to a place where they have made it so you WANT to leave as quickly as possible.

https://youtu.be/YJlzbWHZYsk?si=MZf2kHqVlslvmJj4
here's another on logos/art changing and getting worse over time.

>>24001179
No, not at all.

i've been looking for some good sci-fi to order off amazon but idk what's good i want some optimistic but campy 60s stuff or like maybe i'll just get the three body problem boxset. why the fuck couldn't the pkd loa boxset go on sale for black friday. also why the fuck isn't there an audible sale?

>>24001190
Resist the urge to pay for the works of dead authors.

>>24001225
i'm not paying for some living author who will probably be some deranged political activist

>>24001232
I didn't say you should. You aren't supporting any author if they're dead. You're only supporting whomever you're buying it from.

>>24001249
>supporting this or that
huh? i buy books because i want to read a hardcopy of it. i'm not doing it to "support" anyone.

>>24001254
If that's all you care about then you ought to be paying as little as possible.
>audible sale
>paying for digital

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>>24000484
Well being indistinguishable from AI slop is because that's the kind of stuff AI was trained on. So that association with how much you've seen it retroactively lowers the allure of that art style. Before long if not already, AI will be able to pump out Frazetta style images easily.
Still I get your point because modern book covers in general SUCK. Alot of these would be better off as text on a solid color. That is if the stories themselves are any more inspired than the covers.

>>24001258
it's more convenient to just get it through audible. i don't feel like dicking around with a bunch of random m4b files and shit, when i can just stream it off audible anywhere. the nice thing about private property is i can spend my money however i want and you can fuck off. have a nice one.

>>24001262
>AI will be able to pump out Frazetta style images easily
wake me when this happens
zzzzzzz

>>24000484
Sir, we need to pander for booktube and booktok audience for the sake of le aesthetic and instagram post

>>24000463
what is /sffg/ consensus of The Wheel of Time? Is it worth the read?

>>24001393
Can you withstand a few thousand pages of slog? If yes, maybe. If no, no.

>>24001393
Difficult question.
If you read the first 3 books and feel interested enough to keep going, then yes I'd say so. If you feel nothing but frustration with the characters then no.
Book 4, 5 and 6 are a major improvement but it slows down a lot from book 7 to 9, to the point that a lot of people drop the series at CoT. Which is a shame since things really get interesting again after it.

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Just started reading the newest video game based book.
Didn't really have time to go deep into it yet because work, but the writing feels a bit rusty. Like Sapkowski kinda forgot how to do things. I don't know how I feel about that new, never before seen witcher (despite this being a prequel) that's pretty much just copy pasted Geralt from the future who shows up out of nowhere and starts giving people orders.

>I know the city is fighting a civil war because of me but I need to see the prostitute I'm in love with
Wtf...
Also, when will they leave those fucking tunnels?

>>24001276
xcancel.com/ultra_arcane

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Fuck Dune I need this shit on my theater screens right now, what the fuck, this was fantastic
Paul Dure's story alone was one of the creepiest bits of horror I've ever read and this isn't even a horror book

>>24001567
Why do you want good things transformed into another medium?

>>24001575
I think good adaptations can be an excellent complement to whatever material it sources, as well as a strong driving force to interest people who otherwise would've never known about it

>>24001576
>good adaptations

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>>24001578
They exist.

>>24001393
>what is /sffg/ consensus of The Wheel of Time?
Like anon said in a thread ages ago it was a series released in the right place at the right time to be a success. WoT basically had no impact on fantasy at large for such a long-running series.

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>>24000463
Would you a whale mother?

>>24001578
Dummy

>>24000463
>meme litrpg now represents /sffg/
never make a thread again. leave it dead.

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>>24000484
One is cheaper than the other.

>>24001393
It's the James Bond of fantasy, make of that what you will

>>24001668
Just got back from your mom's so yes

>>24001393
Try it if you are interested. I stopped after the second book, but those two books were pretty solid, jut not my cup of tea.

Can someone tell me what cozy fantasy is?

>>24000484
>but what the fuck is up with those book covers nowadays, niggas were commissioning frank frazetta back in the day and now it's shit that is indistinguishable from ai slop.
Art preferences aside your decent cover is going to run for $300+ and that's for random people you find online versus actual established artists. That's a huge expense for someone new or just self-publishing.

>>24001845
at $5 an hour that's 60 hours of work, which is a rounding error compared to the work required to write and edit a novel

>>24001849
Lol maybe a shitty short novel

>>24001668
Of all of Bakkers strange concepts this one makes the least sense to me. Sure, turning women into baby factories is very Dunyain, But why are they huge?

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Someone recommend a book similar to Cradle. I want some power up slop. I actually enjoyed the slow growth of Cradle. Well I say it's "slow", because other people say it was. But point is, I won't mind waiting for the character to become powerful. I don't really know where to start in the genre. So I don't want to go in with too many preconceptions. I'll take whatever you think it's good.

Where do you order your books online so they come in good condition? Amazon? Thriftbooks? Somewhere else? Im a new reader, I’m reading Sci-Fi/Fantasy but have OCD about books being in good condition.

>>24001902
There's not really a lot that does it well. I enjoyed the Cultivation Nerd royalroad series, which isn't actually very similar to Cradle in terms of story or characters, but takes a similarly measured approach to power levels where the protagonist is rarely the biggest swinging dick in the room and has to use his head more. Cultivation Nerd also leans much more heavily into the Xianxia side of things, as opposed to the more Wuxia tone Cradle has.

>>24001958
I should have mentioned: no isekais

>>24001970
It's a recursive isekai, he's originally from that world.

>>24001856
For the grotesque factor.

>>24002024
Obviously any gross thing in the story (sranc, consult etc..) is grimderp subversion of fantasy. But I mean in-universe why are they huge?

>>24000463
Is the reverend insanity poster the author himself?

>>24002049
>himself
can an AI bot have a gender?

>>24001262
>Before long if not already, AI will be able to pump out Frazetta style images easily.
>before long
https://civitai.com/models/86699/frank-frazetta

This one is old too, someone's probably trained a better one by now

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Holy kino this was great

I could easily see this as a limited series or something with Ralph Ineson as Thomas

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anyone read this book? any good?

>>24002190
I thought it was pretty good. Framing device kinda blows but liked the story itself and its vibes of "it's fucked but we'll try anyway". It's got a bunch of gays though so people here probably hate it because of woke.

>>24002190
No.

>>24002190
Starts quite strong, but the author flops the landing and begins contradicting previously established rules, and then all the typical woke bullshit starts leaking in majorly until it's basically a parody of itself.

/sffg/ you get to choose my next:
The Farseer Trilogy
Memory, Sorrow and Thorn
The Bloodsworn Trilogy
The Poppy War

Recenttime primeself mindblazed our wetware. §|-|!+ was so zen(ny). Tastefind us anytime book for relatedfeel.

>>24001902
god, once I tried to read the first book upon someone's recommendations here.
Guys, it's just slop, worse than WH40k novels...

>>24002049
No

>>24002290
>Farseer
Authors only writes to make male characters suffer as much as possible. Cuckolding everywhere

>MST
Glacial paced fantasy of suffering.

>Bloodsworn
Cover is much better than the books. Mediocre

>Poppy
Author writes about genociding anyone who isn't Chinese and how white people are the worst.

>>24002304
The sloppiest slop to ever have slopped can still be a sloppily good time.

>>24001262
Sun Eater is good, though.

>>24001576
>think good adaptations can be an excellent complement
There are more shitty adaptions than good. Leave Hyperion alone.

>>24002108
>I could easily see this as a limited series
It'd be pozzed. Thomas would be black and Delphine would be a they/them. The adaption would be an allegory of the horrors of racism and homo/transphobia.

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So for years I avoided the Witcher in English because everyone was always shitting on it. I read it in my own language and liked it but I thought the Angloid translation must be bad since it's such a quintessentially Slav series. But last week I found myself with a long trek and no audibook at hand, so I downloaded the English audiobooks because English narrators are generally better than Slav ones.

And the books were just as entertaining and charming and likeable as they were when I read them in my own language. Certainly no worse than Angloid slop like Asimov, or GRRM or Red Rising. I'd compare Sapkowski to Zelazny or Vance. He writes entertaining stories which have clever dialogue.

So what gives, what's with all the hate I read about the Witcher from English speakers over the years? Is it contrarianism because the games became popular? Or is it anti-Slavic discrimination?

>>24002329
It's because it's shitty erotica not a real heroes story

>>24002353
when geraldo described yennefer's breasts as nicely shaped, did you scoff and roll your eyes m'lady?

>>24002356
I never read it.

>>24002362
In making your decision not to read it, were you influenced by anti-Slavic sentiments?

>>24002329
It's just a very dry translation.

>>24002367
No. I have nothing against Poles.

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Damn, this book was insane. Any other books that start off with such mystery that grow to such a scale? Or just any other recs from this?

>>24002400
homie, i haven't read this book but i like your enthusiasm so you made me download it. here's a few books that might vaguely fit your description as i understood it. plot is mysterious and as it's unraveled it starts to encompass a larger scale than previously thought. books are ordered in terms of how well they fit that description
three body problem
pushing ice
the forge of god
the inverted world

>>24000946
you are in for Way of Kings in the Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson!

>>24001902
Beyond the Timescape

>>24001902
If you can tolerate web novels then i would give shadow slave a shot

>>24002313
Damn I thought Farseer was considered a classic or something, but I draw the line at cuckolding. Genocide it is.

>>24002322
Then why's it got a Destiny character mod screen for a cover

>>24002290
>all series slop
disgusting

>be fujoshi
>start reading Stormlight
>here for Sadeas/Dalinar hatefucks
>Sadeas dies
>BOO
>umptrillion flashbacks about young Sadeas and Dalinar
>NICE

>>24002353
Just because it has a couple sex scenes that get cut off the second anything starts actually happening?

>>24002614
You're unironically the reason fantasy went to shit btw.

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>yfw we get more Dunk and Egg stories before WoW

>>24002627
Because Geralt is a simp and not a true hero or an alpha male.

>>24000463
>try romantasy book because the girl im banging said it's amazing
>700 page book
>first 50 pages were decent fantasy exposition
>next 300 were just repeated sex scenes and glorifying the male main character's torture
>suddenly main character gains the powers of a god, decides to kill everyone, decides he forgives everyone, kills a pantheon of gods, decides never to kill the gods, and ten other changes of heart in about 20 really shitty incoherent pages without any scene or chapter breaks
>the following two chapters were clearly not edited because they were seemingly written before the rest of the book, with things being explained anew as though the reader hadn't just read the entire book up until that point
holy shit this is bad, and i'm just over halfway through

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Insane Goodwill find yesterday. Sadly isn't a first edition but BCE, but still worth about $70-$90.

>>24002683
I hope the pussy is at least good, anon.

>>24002700
how is that not a first edition?

>>24002700
what book is it and for how much did you buy it and from where

>>24002700
Can you remove that sticker without ruining the cover?

>>24002683
Sauce?

>>24002304
Sad how Cradle is recommended for a cultivation read when it is not common to cultivation at all.

>>24002627
he's upset because it features a man in love with a woman and that's anathema to a certain strain of pseudoconservative cryptohomosexuals, see also the current "wifejak" twitter controversy

>>24002734
he literally gives you all that information in post and picture wtf is going on

>>24000742
Another 1 day old post with nobody reading. Reddit and Facebook read more than you shitbags.

>>24000946
Tasty junk food.
inb4 "FOOOOOD ANALOGYYYYYYYY!"

>>24002683
the thing about romantasy is that it's a half-formed blend of romance and fantasy, and what that means is mostly it's written by romance goonesses who slap some fantasy elements on top of their rape/"noncon"/BDSM fantasies

>>24002732
It is a Book Club Edition (BCE). Says "Book Club Edition" on the opening flap of the dust jacket. BCEs are generally the second most desirable behind 1st editions. They are printed after when sales justify it, usually the same year.

>>24002734
Bruh

>>24002736
High chance it rips the dust jacket lol. Fucking Goodwill stickers are the worst, ruined many of my books.

>>24002715
she's an art hoe so it's weird but enjoyable

>>24002744
sherrilyn kenyon's acheron

>>24002778
that's exactly how it feels

>>24000946
1000 pages of a decent novel leading to an absolute kino climax and kino epilogues which make it all worth it in the end.

How is the "Otherland" series by Tad Williams?

>>24001179
no, not at all.
BOTNS is fairly unique in its style and mood. malazan is an epic in the actual old literary sense of the word.
you should read both, they're very good.

>>24001567
hyperion used to get mentioned a lot here a while back and I made a note to get round to it, this was about 5 years ago, and i recently did. felt good desu.

>>24002290
Either farseer or bloodsworn
Never read mst, but poppy war is literally the ultimate fantasy book of asian american diaspora woman; pretentious, men bad, what else? Women victim, et cetera et cetera

>>24002746
Maybe cultivation novels can take note from Cradle. What do other cultivation novels do better than Cradle?

>>24002508
>Damn I thought Farseer was considered a classic or something, but I draw the line at cuckolding
That anon exaggerates. It's not "cuckolding everywhere". The books are hella long, and the main character has a doomed romance. Which is like 5% of the total story. Their romance was never going to work out from the beginning. Savvy readers could tell. The hopeless romantics deluded themselves into believing that it would work out somehow. When all signs were showing that the MC was too unstable for her. The MC leaves her a single mother, and so she makes the prudent move of shacking up with a stable man to help raise her son. She ends up falling in love with the stable man. It's to be expected when you vanish from a woman's life for so long, and she's in a desperate situation.

The series is overall misery porn however. Never a happy outcome in Farseer.

>>24000946
1000 pages of boredom between brief kino moments at the start and end.

>>24000551
The important part of his vampire characters is that they represent a different approach to consciousness. They experience life like a waking dream, not quite conscious the way we understand it, nor possessing a sense of self the way we do, but still intelligent. The other stuff like the cannibalism and crucifix glitch were just random odds and ends from Nature and Science magazines that he smooshed into a vaguely vampiric package because he thought it would be fun.

>>24003440
>>24000551
and it is a fun idea
how's the second book?

>>24000463
I am currently on Helliconia Winter. I like this trilogy but much like Dune, it barely feels like sci fi with the spirit world stuff. The plots tend to be a bit anticlimactic too, though that's the point (the world is the protagonist and the characters are just for the ride)

>>24003504
Not quite as good as the first, unfortunately. It's still worth reading though and is a lot better than the vast majority of contemporary sci-fi; I think it gets judged a little too harshly by many people because it fails to clear the incredibly high bar set by the first book.

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Why does he hate Cnaiür so much?

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*licensed slop proceeds to mog 95 percent of all scifi*

Starting The Belgariad: Pawn of Prophecy. Hope it's good.

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nothing more kino than the first 200 pages of house of chains

>‘Lead us. Lead your dead, Warleader.’

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>>24002294
Mega man fanfiction.

>>24003142
Ah that’s a shame. I was interested since I heard that the protagonist Rin was a murderhobo or something.

>>24000742
>last book
The Well at the World's End
>currently reading
Titus Groan, for the millionth time, probably.
>next book
A Fishdinner in Memison

I need moar classics, modern fantasy sucks so much, it's unbelievable.

>>24003254
How insufferable is the protag in all honesty? I’ve heard a lot of things about Fitz, few encouraging. I can appreciate miseryporn but I refuse to be stuck in the head of Shinji Ikari for a thousand pages.

>>24003747
He's a manly man written by a woman who has only a very shallow understanding of how manly men think and act.

>>24003747
Don't listen to the other anon. Honestly, I don't know why he said that. It's like he's never read a page of the story, and just said that because the author is a woman.

Fitz is not the self loathing Shinji type. Neither is he a manly man. He's the kind of guy who acts first, considers second, and understand fifth. He always fails to understand his own motives or the motives of others. But he follows along with people he trusts. But despite said trust, he still finds ways to disobey orders. He's impulsive, prone to emotional outbursts, and has a berserker's rage within him. Generally, he's just a massive fuck up, who never seems to grasp the gravity of his own actions. But on occasion, he can be counted on to kill some people, and her means well.

When I was reading, page to page, I didn't find Fitz insufferable at all. On the surface, he's an intrepid young lad, like many other fantasy stories. But as you get through the chapters, all of his fuck-ups begin to add up. And you have to ask, "when is he going to get his shit together, and actually be an asset? Do the right thing?" The answer is "never". And that fact irks the shit out of me.

>>24001762
Sometimes I wonder what the market's like for fantasy junkslopsmut.

>>24002190
I don't like it when I know exactly what a fantasy author's sexual fetishes are after reading a book.

https://www.webnovel.com/book/30767423600841105

Please check this shit I wrote. I'm an ESL but I did my best. The mcs are mentally troubled sperg edgelords, but evolve quite dynamically.

>>24003736
If you want an objective criticism aside from chuddy criticism one.
Poppy war is basically a YA novel. It is not a fantasy as in low fantasy, high fantasy, let alone epic fantasy. Poppy war is historical fiction, based on some chinese war that happened long time ago; based on setting that is literally chinese, but slightly altered so that it draws a line between actual event that happened irl and fiction; based on magic that was taken from local mythology and mythical phenomenon, for the sake of its forced fantasy.
This novel was received well because it was a big hit here in southeast asia. Imagine the boner hate that every chinese diaspora in here have deep in their heart and suddenly, out of nowhere, a fantasy novel appeared and 'voicing' their bonerh8 for colonizer but at the same time checking every dei list of stronk female protagonist, yt ppl bad, etc. That's an instant 5 star rating for you.

If anyone got the password for the latest TWI chapter I'd be mucho appreciated

>>24003763
You're in the general where people unironically read 100000 chapters of AI-translated chinkslop and you're still wondering?

I really enjoyed the political power struggle passages in Red Mars, can anyone reccomend something similar in the sci fi conspiracy/ political intruige genre?

Started reading Isolate by Modesitt. Is his prose always this bluntly autistic or is that just this book in particular?

>>24003811
The Saga of the Recluse is like 75 books. No, he never stops being autistic.

>>24000742
>>last book you read
Death in venice
>>current book you are reading
Nothing
>>next book you plan to read
Blackwing. Already downloaded the entire trilogy, hopefully its worth it

>>24000615
Guy also got paid by the word. Given the context it's completely unsurprising that his stories can get kind of same-y.

>>24003208
Everything. Cradle is just a western ya novel with few cultivation elements.

>>24003878
Recommend me some good cultivation series, most everything I've seen mentioned here has been trash.

>>24000742
>last
Liber Lilith
>current
To Say Nothing of the Dog
>next
Haven't decided yet. Probably something trashy and shameful.

>>24003881
Eternal Sacred King

>>24003885
I've already tried that one, it was garbage.

>>24003890
What did you not like about it?

>>24003893
The protagonist was a complete void of charisma with no real personality and nothing interesting was happening at all with the plot. I dropped it around chapter 250.

>>24003773
Oh ok wish fulfilment slop, never mind then.

>>24003761
Thanks for the insight anon, he sounds like a less competent Hadrian Marlowe. Should be an entertaining read if nothing else.

>>24003681
Many eons ago, I wrote a decent portion of a Legend of Dragoon novelization.
I just wanted to write fanfiction, but I've never liked fanfics because they're so inconsistent with the actual characters. So I thought I'd write the whole base story to rebuild the characters in writing form to make sure everything in the actual postgame fanfic I'd write would be consistent.
I stopped because I realized the actual story was so hollow and silly that I'd need to bullshit and add tons of assumptions and new events to have anything make any sense at all and it'd end up being a totally different story.

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Finally got around to reading Vacuum Diagrams. Holy fuck it's good. Love the stuff about the Qax

>>24003815
It's more like 26.

>>24003811
Yes, especially this series.
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_text=Grand+Illusion+&search_tripcode=sffg&search_ord=old

>>24000463
I will be ending the posting of my thoughts about books here at the end of the year. It's already been the case that my activity has greatly slowed. I'll be reading enough novellas to finish my reading challenge for the year, because why not, but I'm undecided whether I'll post them here because it may not be worthwhile. That means that https://warosu.org/lit/thread/23984475#p23990284 may have been the last I posted here. This concludes ~5 years of posting them here.

All future thoughts will continue to be posted to my Goodreads account, but as I will be reading far less next year and possibly mostly a single series at that, I wouldn't expect much.

>>24001088
Is that not-Gollum on the left?

>>24004318
nobody cares

>>24002526
A what?

>>24004318
see you next week

>>24002808
>High chance it rips the dust jacket lol
If you're not careful. Most stickers can be removed cleanly with care. From your picture, that sticker looks like it'll come off easily.

>>24003885
>3,380 chapters.
That alone tells me the writer is just typing word diarrhea on the page. No way it's worth reading. I don't believe it.

>>24003881
Here would be my top picks in no particular order
Way of Choices
Nightfall
Unsheathed
Tales of Herding Gods
Beyond the Timescape
Sword Dynasty

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The best romantic fantasy books which you know? Not romance or romantasy, but romantic in the sense of the 19th century romanticism, with vibes and atmosphere.

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>>24004470
It is good, very comparable to Martial World and in some ways better (and maybe in few other ways worse).

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>>24004572
Perhaps Lord Dunsany? Haven't read him yet but he's one of the oldest creators of fantasy and from what I heard his fantasy works are inspired by the old knightly romantic tales.

>>24004019
based nature anon. I love to go on hikes with a book, but it's very cold here and I have terrible plantar fasciitis

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>>24001168
Come to think of it I can't think of any book I read, beside the books you already mentioned, that had any significant elf or dwarf character. Maybe it's because I'm not that familiar with 90's and 2000's fantasy books or maybe turns out elves and dwarves aren't as common in fantasy books as it's stereotypical believed. Dunno.
I'm tho aware of The Dwarves by Markus Heitz only because there was a 2016 video game based on it. I didn't read it so I can't say how good it's but it's a series about dwarves so that's something.

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Books with dialogue like these?

>>24004622
Yes, I know about it and about Hennen's series about elves, The Elven. Also there are a couple of Tolkien's imitators from the 70s and 80s like Terry Brooks, Raymond Feist, etc. Don't know which of them are worth reading.

>>24003208
>Maybe cultivation novels can take note from Cradle
Having your main character being an apologetic bitch throughout the ENTIRE series is not something other cultivation novels should do. I think it's funny when new readers recommend Cradle as someone's first cultivation because it isn't like a regular cultivation novel at all.

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>>24003623
Finished it in a single sitting. It's incredibly tepid. This feels like the first draft to The Eye of the World. A lot of you here have read that book. Imagine that book, but somehow even more basic. Imagine if Rand didn't have parrents, and instead lived with Moiraine in the country. And then Thom Merrilin shows up, and he and Moiraine know each other, but keep their exact relation a secret from Rand. The Two Rivers doesn't get attacked, but Merrilin is afraid of some mysterious circumstance, and still run from the village anyway. None of Rand's friends run away with them. It's only Moiraine, Tom, Rand, and a servant of Moiraine's. Let's say Lan, but far less important. He's just a regular guy who is oddly devoted to her, and follows her around.

And then the whole book is traveling around, avoiding the persuits of Myrddraal, sloooowly learning about Rand's past. And slooooowly learning about Moiraine's powers. But also, Marrilin has powers too. Rand is clearly the successor to the kingdom, and will be unlocking his powers eventually. But they don't do that in the first book. Rather, they only have Rand act confused and sad about everything. Rand is a nice kid who never disobeys. He just gets dragged around . And sometimes insists on getting answers. But never causes any real trouble.

Rand here's a voice in his head that gives him ideas that he shouldn't know.
Magic imbued coins are used for tracking.
Naming the big bad guy can catch his attention, making him aware of you, wherever you are.
The magic users have power over kings.

And likely more that I'm neglecting to recall at the moment. There are so many parallels, it's insane. I have to imagine that Robert Jordan read Pawn of Prophecy and went "here's what I would do" and wrote The Eye of the World. There's even that detail of the Moiraine character wearing blue.

>>24004732
Yeah, that's what I meant. Keep everything the same, and just make your main character apologize all the time. That's the takeaway. You shouldn't take any clues from broader concepts like plot structure and pacing. Just copy and past Lindon in your story. That's the best advice.

Almost done with The Great Ordeal, and I’m at the aftermath at the battle at Dagliash. See I just thought that Viri was built inside a volcano or something, and the eruption triggered somehow to cause such devastation. Then sickness, pollution and hair falling out was mentioned which I thought was strange. So I went back to read the scene…

The flash of light, the massive detonation, Kellhus handling the artefact he dug up with extreme care, Kellhus telling everyone to flee, the ‘polluted’ aftermath, the corrosive effects to the Ordealmen.

It’s a fucking nuke. The Tekne artefact was a nuke. Kellhus just set off a fucking nuke.

I’ve been converted. Bakker is King.

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>>24004830
Truth shines!

>>24004830
>this wasn't immediately obvious from the start
no wonder this general likes hakker so much, the average IQ here is in the sub 130 range

>>24004801
That's exactly what you meant.

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>>24004830
nice, glad you are enjoying anon. That is one of the best scenes in the whole damn thing. don't forget to read Bakker's short stories in the same universe, especially The False Sun (which I believe should be read just before Unholy Consult and is a sort of prequel)

https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/stories/

>>24004830
“Thus the utility of Zero, something that was not, something that pinched all existence, every origin and destination, into a singular point, into One. Something that commanded all measure, not through arbitrary dispensations of force, but by virtue of structure … system … Logos. The God that was Nature. The God that every soul could be, if only for the span of a single insight … The Zero-God.”

>The Zero-God
Bakker. What a fucking madlad, he actually did it. I had to stand up and clap. The last 40% of this book has just been distilled kino. Now I just need Cnaiur to rise from the dead and fuck another man to establish dominance and this will become the peak of the series.

>>24004915
Oh shit thanks, I had no ideas these existed.

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Where to start with GGK?

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I'm about to hop on a 16 hour flight to thailand for the next month and I need something to read between ladyboys and beaches. anything similar to the culture series would be kino.

>>24004830
did you also poggers when you read book of the new sun and realize what the painting was of in the beginning?

>>24002374
Why not?

>>24004971
Tigana. Then read the next few un related books he made in the 90s.

>>24004971
You don't.
Tigana is like a 3/5. It suffers from a lot of cliches that other epic fantasies have. Except GGK is one of those guys who doesn't like relying on magic. Which isn't necessarily bad. Except for the fact that the story he tells isn't good enough to stand on its own. The characters aren't that compelling. The politics aren't that intriguing. And he bloats the page count with descriptions of a sensual nature, with a particular focus on women.

>>24002631
Fantasy has always been dominated by shit, you just like a different flavour.

>>24003959
>JRPG fan actually uses their brain
>"wait, this is pure fucking garbage"

>>24003678
pic related?
if so sign me up

>>24005286
its the 4th book of Malazan. read the first 3 first

>>24004870
If it was higher no one would be reading fantasy.

what are the essentials of sword and sorcery lit? particularly ones that takes place in fallen civilizations or post-apocalyptic earth (besides zothique, which I loved)

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>>24005325
thanks!

>>24004870
>this general
it's one outrageous thread 'personality' (spammer)

>>24004687
Sounds like most Edwardian era prose to me, also into early-mid Victorian.

>>24002108
wasn't this written by an anon?

>>24005447
No.

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>>24002400
The only things very similar in terms of weirdness and scope creep I struggle to sincerely recommend, e.g. or wouldn't recommend
Sandman
Worm (the web novel)
Homestuck
The Difference Engine
The Iron Dragon's Daughter

Iron Dragon is definitely closest in terms of being weird and having no sense of cleaving to the reader's likely expectations

I also second the recommendation of The Inverted World which is very good but quite different.

>>24002030
The Dunyain in general are big, they're Aryan superchads. Presumably they just keep the women chained up and feed them a lot.

So ole Sandy is putting out Stormlight 5 this week. I never read Rhythm of War because I was massively disappointed by Oathbringer, but I want to at least see how this shit ends. What's my best course of action here? Start from 4, force myself to reread 3 before 4, or reread the whole series? I've got a decent memory of 1 and 2 I think, because those were actually good, but I barely remember what happened in 3.

My life goal is to develop a Larry Niven-esque disdain for women
tf did I just read

>>24004787
It's really an entry level series, and it does that well. If you're an older reader and have seen all the classic tropes, a series that foreran many of them will seem extremely cliche.

I have fond memories of it because I read it when I was 12.

>Sanderson is popular because his prose is very simplistic, which makes it very accessible to all readers
>Rowling is popular because her works are for children
>George R.R. Martin is popular because his works are edgy and entry level "deconstructions"
It's kinda sad innit

>>24005919
>entry level "deconstructions"
No, why? It's just standard "historical fiction" type. Like Bernard Cornwell or Druon with magic.

Any litrpgs that aren't complete trash? Just read the first book of Primal Hunter and god was it painful. And judging by the 4.28 rating on Goodreads and some stellar reviews, I don't know what to trust.
>inb4 DCC

>>24006027
They are all shit without exception.

>>24006027
If you aren't already put off by the concept itself I have no idea how to assess what you would consider good.

Why not just play a JRPG?

>>24005684
It goes to 10 books for Stormlight, not 5.

>>24006114
Can't skip the boring parts

i got pranked into reading gene wolfe

>>24005684
i also hated oathbringer. mainly the last 3rd or quarter or so, but it's been awhile
i've recently started rhythm of war and i don't know what i think yet, but it's not the worst
you can piece together 3 through 4. brandosandos not going to leave you hanging dawg. if it's relevant you'll be reminded of it later on

>>24006114
i'd ask jrpg enjoyers why they dont just read. especially those who fuck w/ all the gameplay-lite nostalgia slop
jrpg writing is usually embarrassingly shit

>>24005183
not him but I kind of did to be honest
you're talking about the Moon landing right

>>24003619
Better than The Cold Forge at least.

>>24006232
What do you mean “pranked”? I’m a new adult reader and Shadow & Claw is where I’ve started, just finished chapter 19 of Claw this morning. My experience so far has been 10/10, I’ve already ordered Sword & Citadel and it arrives later today.

>>24002526
Your mother told you not to judge a book by its cover.

>>24004687
Between Two Fires

>>24006027
The only "LitRPG" I enjoy is Overlord (basically LitRPG), but I think it's because it reminds me of how I play games (base-building, killing everyone).

>>24006027
All LitRPGs are trash.

Hopes and fears for Wind and Truth?
Is it going to be as overladen with Cosmere science as RoW?

>>24000742
>DCC #1
>The Stand
>Not sure if I'll take a break from King or continue with The Wastelands, feeling like I might go through Hellboy first

Any more grimdark sci-fi like Reynolds and Watts?

>>24006182
The first 5 books make for a big arc, then there's going to be a timeskip, and then the second 5 are a follow-up story or something like that.

>>24006240
Thanks. I'll try Oathbringer again, but I won't be afraid to give up and rely on my partial memories if need be.

>>24000946
An amazing book, followed by a great sequel with a few small problems, followed by a pretty lacklustre third part, and the jury's still out on the fourth.
It's worth noting that every subsequent book is getting longer by 100 or so pages too.

>>24006395
Dunno about RoW, but if we're going by Oathbringer, it's probably going to be overladen with characters from the Cosmere Cinematic Universe from every novella and novelette and short story that you've not read, it's probably going to contain 1000 pages of previously-good characters wallowing in self-pity and being useless, and an extra helping of Schizo Shallan's Antics Nobody Cares About and Kaladin getting shat on for no reason.
(am anon from the previous post who's not read RoW yet, would have replied in the same post if I saw you asking)

>>24000463
Best bible?

>>24006754
The Silmarillion

>>24006665
There will be a ~10 year timeskip, with people like Renarin and Lift becoming main characters with their own book. The entire series is 10 books, segmented into two big 5-book arcs.

Tolkien made "orcs," "ents," and "wargs"; Capek made "robots"; any other examples?

>>24006924
mary shelly invented frankensteins

>>24006924
Basically every modern monster has an origin in a book.

>>24006388
any game recs, anon?

>>24004603
can't find a good audiobook of this. the only one is read by some retarded amateur boomer woman for librevox and it's as bad as you would expect.

I wanted to gift my dad a box set of LotR since his copies from the 70's are literally falling apart. Does anyone have a particular set edition they liked?

>>24000742
>Children of Time
>Midnight Children
>probably Children of Ruin

waiting like a coc-addict for book 8 chapters of DDC on patreon

>>24007077
I haven't been playing games much recently. I'd recommend Dwarf Fortress and KeeperRL, maybe ToME or DCSS but those don't have base-building, in Fallout and TES games I kill everyone and hoard everything. I liked games like Ensemble Studios', Command & Conquer, Total War, and the Rise of Nations RTS games; for TBS I liked CK2. I'm considering playing the Pathfinder games and Amazing Cultivation Simulator.

>>24006232
same

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Is it really as good as people say or is it just hype?

>>24007260
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=55077697&page=1

>>24000484
Before AI slop they were doing empty covers with just text and cheap colors and before that it was terrible CGI.

>>24002290
>The Farseer Trilogy
Never read it.
>Memory, Sorrow and Thorn
If you can handle a very slow burn, it's a fantastic epic. Old school heroic fantasy: callow youth becoming a dragon slaying hero, runaway princesses, evil wizards, elves, knights errant, etc. It just meanders a lot, with lots of slow, contemplative scenes. It was considered very old fashioned when it was first published in the 1980s.
>The Bloodsworn Trilogy
Mediocre. Did not care for it. John Gwynn is one of those fantasy authors that prematurely ejaculates all his world building at the start and then has nothing to tantalize you with. I guess if you haven't read much epic fantasy it might seem novel to you, at least.
>The Poppy War
Possibly the least pleasant fantasy book I've read in the last decade. I don't mean that it is the worst written, I mean that the main character is thoroughly unpleasant to read about.

>>24006232
Happened to me too, anon.

>>24005919
>>Sanderson is popular because his prose is very simplistic
No, he's popular because he builds very elaborate and interesting settings. Nobody picks up a Sanderson book and then raves about how nice and readable the sentences are, you absolute cretin.

>>24007260
Dont know. But Between Two Fires was great

>>24001902
Most of the older Xianxia.
Renegard Immortal, I Shall Seal the Heavens, Coiling Dragon, A Record of a Mortal is Journey to Immortality etc.

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>>24000484
deal wit it

Just finished chapters 20-23 of Claw of the Conciliator, it just keeps getting better and better. It’s like mentally traveling through a labyrinthian dreamscape, observing and contemplating. The truth of what is going on is unfolding but has to be assembled by what you pick up on in this labyrinthian dreamscape, it’s all coming together beautifully. Top tier stuff here, 10/10 kino of the highest order.

>>24006372
i am half joking, i'm still enjoying it; but, there's something about poetic writing full of metaphor, while actually describing an alien environment-- when is it for effect, when is it literal?
i'm not very far in, but i think this was intentional. on top of this there are plenty of unnecessary/indulgent sentences that don't help the pacing (on top of generally difficult language). i suppose these are quirks of the narrator
the narrator also claims perfect recollection, while contradicting/gaslighting himself on whether or not something actually happened shortly after
again, probably intentional. the author probably put serious time into this. but that's a lot of layers that contribute to it reading like a fever dream

i do want to learn more about the beast tamer guild that fuck their lion or bear wives

started Hyperion today pretty good

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>>24007720
Becoming immersed, let your mind fill things in. It’s 10/10 kino, HD visuals in your mind!

>>24001578
2001 a space odyssey was a better movie than book
>>24001567
i feel like it would have to be in a mini-series format

If you're in a strange land you're already de facto a stranger.

>>24007097
The 2020 HarperCollins boxed set.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKHHQGPiyWU

>>24007747
you can be a stranger in a normal land tho

>>24007658
>spin off novel for the spin off trilogy
goddamn

Before I scroll the thread. Is this place the same as it was 19 months ago?

>>24007268
Do people in goodreads post in here as well? They looked like a normal looking people who lived a normal life as opposed to average 4chudder

I just checked out goodreads as I’m a new reader, it’s faggy as fuck. Looking up BOTNS and other Sci/Fantasy I’m interested in, the comments are flooded with fags and cunts crying misogyny. Basically I’m fuming with anger, i’d like to break their femurs with the broad side of Terminus Est. ok, that is all.

>>24007851
It's mental masturbation. Probably fun if you're an e-celeb and have ppl clicking on every review you do.

>>24006232
yep, me too bud

>>24002400
>>24005666
I knew there was one thing I was forgetting. Pantheon, the tv show, not a mystery but the scale of the show by the time the credits roll is nuts.

>>24007851
>886 members
Literally how? Back when IP count exist there's only like 20-70 (at maximum) people talking in this general. Wh- who are those people??? The one in /sffg/ good reads??

>>24007901
I’m not sure as I’ve only been on /lit/ for like 10 days, probably the silent majority though.

>>24007747
cats don't actually walk through walls

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>>24005919
Sanderson is popular in spite of his prose, not because of it

>>24000742
>2001: A Space Odyssey
>Non-Stop (Brian Aldiss)
>2010: Odyssey Two

>>24001393
I only read the first book. I enjoyed it but did not love it, which I took as a sign to quit before I got too deep.
But I also love sci-fi way more than fantasy, and was able to read 27 Heinlein novels before calling it quits.

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Does anyone else keep track of stuff like this? I use an excel spreadsheet to keep track of my meagre ~12 books per year. I don't like the Goodreads UI.

>>24007851
most classics have around 3 stars which is ridiculously low there
site is full of retards

I came up with a cool name for my knight and made the mistake of posting it online last summer after googling it and seeing it matched no results. I recently re-googled the name and someone is now using it as a username on a minecraft account. I feel like killing myself.

>>24008052
There's also Storygraph and various other sites. Goodreads can be used to export all the data into a spreadsheet using the export function. I keep track of the short fiction I read that way.

>>24008101
maybe the classics just aren't as good as you thought

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>>24004787
I finished book 3 just now and I regret being memed into reading this and thinking it might get better as it gets further on. Every book reads the exact same, endless traveling where absolutely nothing happens, get to place, find out the princess/mcguffin/bad guy is in another castle, and repeat. Boring basic characters, boring basic plot and boring basic worldbuilding. I won't be continuing the series and won't be reading anything from Eddings again.

If I had read this when I was 10 and I hadn't read any other fantasy I'd have probably enjoyed it, but compared to say Eragon which is also YA slop that one's a lot better and more interesting. I reread that earlier this year before going into the new Murtagh book (which also sucked big fucking sweaty balls) and was impressed how enjoyable it still was if you take it for the dumb fun slop it is. Nothing like that in the Belgariad, it's just boring as shit all the time.

>>24007813
Few regularly post regardless as far as I've been able to tell. You have misconceptions about who uses this site and how it affects them.

>>24007851
>people think differently than me
>they must suffer for this
>why can't we have discussion here?

>>24007901
That's wrong. Back when there were IP counts sometimes it'd get up to 100. Assuming 90% only lurk, which isn't unreasonable, that's already a 1000. The group is a bit over 5 years old. There are different people who come and go over time. You underestimate how many come to thread.

>>24008101
By around 3, do you mean 3.0? That's demonstrably untrue and easily to disprove. If you mean more like 3.8, then sure.

>>24007851
According to a post on the goodreads blog a few years ago, the majority of users are women 18-34. It logically follows that golden age science fiction and fantasy are going to be lowly rated and lowly engaged. Same with the American/English canon (excluding the handful of female authors). Those genres are dissapportionately popular with men and with older individuals.

I really hope my boy Sandy pulls it off

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>3 day weekend just in time for WaT release

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>>24000463
>>24002049
>>24002051
I've posted picrel long ago but where is the text?

>>24008134
I assume you mean this:
https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/14538341-who-is-the-average-goodreads-user-you-ll-be-surprised

This is a user's blog that sources from Quantcast. It's not an official source or numbers.

There are also errors with your "logically follows" premise.

>>24002614
Just got to the part of Oathbringer where the thirteen-year-old won’t stop talking about Dalinar’s butt. Am I being pandered to?

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>>24008240
no he just has a stormwagon but he's 100% straight and fucks only navani sorry

>>24008240
Just wait til RoW when her and Kaladin…

>>24002250
Does anyone have anything with vampires that they do recommend, modern or historical setting- anything really? I've read Dracula. I was obsessed with VTM at a few points but I assume the novels are not so good

>>24008274
Salem’s lot
Fevre dream

>>24001567

The Terror is the same story by the same author done better and already has a film adaptation

>>24006027
I've tried a lot of litrpg and the vast majority of them are complete trash and would work better without the stupid/lazy systems but here's some
>Cultist of Cerebon
>Godclads
>Super Supportive (too slice of life/teenage drama)
>Shadow Slave (no stats, quests etc)
>Tread Lightly (not sure if this can even be considered litrpg)

>>24003581
couldn't agree more, based taste anon. you other filthy apes go read blindsight and echopraxia

I'm going to say it. Fish out of water is the best trope.

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>>24006232
Me too

>>24000463
Hey, anons, I read someone here saying that there was a Tolkien book that almost read like a detective noir kind of tale. If I'm not mistaken, it was a volume of The History of Middle Earth. Anyone knows what it was about? I even think he said it dealt a little bit with the fall of Men in the 4th Age, but my memory could be deceiving me.

I though it was The Return of the Shadow, but after checking some summaries, that one seems to deal with the beginning of the Lord of the Rings.

ty in advance

>>24008432
The New Shadow in The Peoples of Middle-earth?

>>24007980
wrong. he's popular because his drivel appeals to midwits

>>24008384
That's the basis of isekai.

>>24008455
whatever helps you cope

>>24008460
t. midwit

>>24008462
post your writing + bench PR

>>24005919
Kinda sad that people read fiction rather than exclusively nonfiction, though most of that is sad too.

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>>24007260
I thought it was unreadable dogshit and I've decided never to read any books by this guy ever again.

convince me to read Dhalgren. Or the opposite if that's how you feel.

>>24008516
The third way: read a free excerpt and choose yourself.

>>24008274
A Journey of Black and Red

>>24008516
Graphic transactional homosexual scenes aren't my cup of tea but you do you

>>24008467
There's nothing sad about finding entertainment in storytelling. It's as old as the human race.

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>>24008442
>The New Shadow
That was the one! Thanks!

>>24003504
it's fine but the thing about Weir is he literally just has that one idea, he's never had any other ideas in his entire life. So if you like that idea, you're in for a treat.

>>24006027
Tenebroum.

At some point I seem to have gone from looking for reasons to continue reading a book to looking for reasons to drop a book instead. Not quite sure how to feel about that.

>>24001567
HBO limited series or bust. Fall was decent but not as good.

>>24002190
Pure kino.
I really like the authors writing style, it has a nice glow, he rhymes the words and is kind of Shakespearian.

Story does get a bit contradictory towards the end but still a good story.

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>>24001505
lol give it a few more years I guess.

>>24002290
Bloodsworn saga is good, I've not read the third book yet but I want to read the first two again before I do.

>>24006754
Septuaginta

ok so i tried (sucessfully even if slow) to get back into reading by reading the way of kings
so this is not a flame but when does it get good because it's a big book i've read 150 pages and except eye rolling i feel like i have yet to get anything from it
should i move on?

>>24009090
Yes.

>>24006027
It depends what type of stat based Vidya games you enjoy desu
>Korean grind fest (overcompensating males, slow burn, Braindead scantily clad females)
>China cash shop(overcompensating males, p2w bloodline, brain-dead females)
>Japanese gacha (overpowered super friend male who won the luck draw, with moderately revealed females)
>Watered down western mediocrity(self deprecating everyperson for themselves where morals and values and characters balance must survive sensitivity readers opinion).
> Western europoor (grim dark slavery arc bullshit with real world economics and equally arsholish characters)

Unless of course you do not enjoy Vidya games in which case you should just skip the genre all together.

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>I Shall Seal the Heavens
Started this one. Found the audiobook on youtube.
It's moving at a pretty fast rate so far in the beginning. It's not getting too much into character and dialogue so far. Just the barebones required to tell the events of the story. Not sure how I feel about it yet.