"McThulu's" editionPrevious: >>24076722/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQRESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvCPlease limit excerpts to one post.Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.(And maybe double-space your WIPs to allow edits if you want 'em.)Simple guides on writing:>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHdzv1NfZRM>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whPnobbck9s>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAKcbvioxFkThread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C0iTXK-juU
Death to OP and other AIsloppers
>>24089007You won't do anything, you're completely impotent, and you know it.
>>24086656>>24087753>>24087767Thank you so much for the advice, sailoranon.
Hey guys, I've been around on this board for a long time, but I've only just recently gotten into writing seriously. If anyone's interested, I've posted a short fiction piece I wrote recently; I'd love any feedback from you guys. https://pastebin.com/geSWpqQF
I'm 38% finished a biographical project, currently at 103k words. I have a vision I'd like to adhere to, but from the (brief) research I've done it seems publishers are quite precious about keeping to lower word counts.Is word count that imperative? Should I just forget about it and keep writing?
>>24089135> glimmering beams of moonlight stained the groundIt’s shit, but at least it isn’t fantasy slop.
What's /wg/'s opinion on using AI stuff in the process of le heckin' writing?I myself, a mildly literate ESL thirdworlder, sometimes throw my chapter drafts into chatgoypt when I need to expand a description/get an idea to progress a scene/find a correct word to use.
>>24089437AI is a crutch that makes you worse at writing
>>24089332Youre not gonna get published anyway, just do what you want>>24089472It makes you worse at writing, but it makes you a better writer
>>24089332>a biographical projectWhy do people think anyone cares about their dumb lives?
>>24089332>Should I just forget about it and keep writing?Yes, for now. After that consider splitting your writing into a series of books. >>24089493Based retard
What unequivocally tells you guys that a text was written by AI?
>>24089519Try searching "AI detector," I've found they're not 100% but pretty good
>>24089524I think they only work for english witten prose.
>>24089524Earlier, I tested two samples, an excerpt from what I wrote myself and another one that was an AI generation, which I edited to look more like my writing. The detector rated both as 0% AI, fully human.
>>24088906Question for my fellow time wasters. What is the largest piece of writing you’ve worked on? Is it finished? Did you share it with anyone?
>>24089098No problem>>24089135It reads clean and easy, which is more than what can be said for most posters here. I like it
Is it believable lasers and regular guns would be next to each other?
>>24089543I wrote a 7-part web novel series with multiple side stories and a spin-off trilogy, which currently sits at 1.3 million words. It's one part away from finished, but readers didn't like the seventh part, the ebooks didn't sell, and I lost motivation.
>>24089007Fpbp
>>24089543i wrote a 60k word novel once and never showed it to anyone, it was unfinished
>>24089536Yeah, I just did some testing, and something fully AI-generated (this >>24089584) passed 90-100%. Seems like if you ask it to write in the style of any human writer it'll stop putting out AI-detectable text.
>>24089437AI takes the joy out of writing for me, personally.
>>24089564How many readers did you get?
>>24089559Yeah, that seems fine to me.You’ve got the fallout approach, which is that laser guns were starting to be developed right before the nuclear apocalypse, but they’re in a sort of prototype phase and aren’t as mass-produced and ubiquitous as ballistic firearms (and they never will be because the whole world got nuked into the Stone Age)You could also just approach it tactically. Ubiquitous laser weaponry means people develop reflective armor to counter it, which then means that people go back to guns to breach the armor. Guns became so widespread in the first place partially on account of their excellent anti-armor properties
>>24089543125k novel, rough draft, wrote it over 2024 and now a few people are reading through it right now. No clue if it's any good but I had a blast writing it. Hold in there, fellas. We're all gonna make it.
>>24089564Just finish bro, screw what anyone else thinks. Do it, don't let the regret of not linger in your mind.
>>24089696Who’s reading it, friends or people you’re paying to edit?
>>2408954366k Skyrim fanfic, deleted halfway to completion when I had a moment of clarity.
>>24089772What the fuck is there to even make a fanfic about on Skyrim? It doesn’t even have any characters without mods.What is it, just serana x Dragonborn smut?
>>24089659Some 600>>24089700I have every intention to, eventually. But I need to write something more fun and lighthearted, before I'm mentally ready to get back to it.
Just finished rereading The Big Sleep and really enjoyed doing the copywork for some scenes. Anyone else do this?
Is it better to pay for a couple more cheap beta readers or fewer expensive ones? by beta reader I don't mean a critique partner who's going to give super specific feedback on the writing itself. just thoughts from an average reader/my intended audience
>>24089720At the moment, friends and maybe one guy I contacted on a /wg/ months ago. Then I'll do a second draft with all the vibes check and hire a professional editor.>>24089881Totally get it. Good luck, bruv
Just a note that sff genre slop isn’t real writing.
>>24089437I don't know how to use it to make something that isn't shit and I don't want to pay for something I don't know to use well. Like the idea of having a AI that can proof read my stuff and point out errors I missed while drafting would be nice, but the ones I seen ether suck or want money upfront to use it to scan a full chapter worth of work. If I wanted to pay I would pay a trustworthy person that has a proven track record of actually doing it properly.Most stuff I have seen that was obviously or transparently made with AI have been bad, so I am pretty sure it's mostly bad. HOWEVER, AI voiceover lazy audiobooks have made it possible for me to listen to shitty endless web novels while at work, so AI has a use. Since the content is garbage, the "audiobook" version of it being garbage is fine. Proper books deserve a proper voice actor to bring that book to life in the audiobook version. But these aren't proper books I am talking about. These can get the AI VA treatment without bothering me.
>>24089543Got like 12 or 13 chapters into some fantasy novel before deciding I hated most of it and would have to rewrite most of it to be significantly less boring. All while knowing full well there was no one who would be interested in it even if I finished it. So that killed all motivation and I quit writing altogether for like 6 months. Now I write shitty short stories. Even then have trouble finishing them because I it all feels pointless and I hate my own stuff for being bad. But I push through it anyway in the vague hope that one day I will be good enough to write something actually worth someone's time to read. Honestly feels like screaming into a void and thinking that screaming may one day become a lovely song.
>>24089595>>24089772>>24089978You guys shouldn’t be so hard on yourselves. Keep up the good work
>>24089437I use elevenlabs to read my story back to me.
I wrote 500k words about wizards and dragoons and spellcasting but decided to print it out and roll it up and fuck my own ass with it once I realized I was a sffg faggot
>>24090009I am not hard enough on myself. If I was harder on myself I would finish what I start instead of getting demotivated just because I don't have feedback/validation.
>>24089932>>24090025Get a life dude.
>>24089491>worse at writing>worse at writingThat's an oxymoron moron
If /sffg/ isn’t writing then why do I like it so much?
>>24089543I even bought an ad here. Guess how many sales.
>>24090138>Guess how many salestreefitty?
>>24090126Because you’re a retard. >>24090138You, too.
>>24090150>>240901510. Not even my mom bought a copy
>>24089543one page, got accepted on a flashfic site :3
>>24089543My first fantasy slop book was 120k words and I imagine nobody bothered reading all of it on Royal Road.
What’s a good AI prompt to include to ensure that it seems like I lived a life?
>>24090151Why are you such a hater?
>>24090179Post it
>>24090179Post it and I’ll follow you
>>24090190>>24090200https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/51796/a-hero-among-monsters
>>24090138>>24090156I bought an ad here as well, to my royalroad/ao3/other socials just to see if people would read it for free. Got a couple hundred clicks on my linktree, which ended up a grand total of three subscribers and one review (he said he liked it)So I paid $20 for a single view. It would be better to just print out paperbacks and give them away. Not that I’m in this for money or profit, I just want people to read my stuff :(
>>24089543I adapted a video game into a 176-page screenplay (about 25000 words) a few years ago. I'm currently working on a novel and aiming for 90k+ words, but I'm only up to about 20k words and have recently been neglecting it in favor of short stories I'm throwing around to anthologies with open submissions.
>>24090188Because idiots who write about elves and lasers bring this place down.
>>24090238favourite book?
>>24090214What’s your stuff about?
How does one build an audience?
>>24090238Do you even write?Somehow I doubt it.
>>24090238pyw
>>24090255It’s all about social media somehow. Even though it’s nothing but bots on X and Facebook. I guess doing a funny dance on TikTok convinces people to read your book?
>>24090207>nobody read it>more views than I’ll ever get I checked out chapter one and liked it well enough. Not really a fan of goblins and orcs and elves, I think they’re a bit of crutch, but the writing was good and the orc fight was enjoyable
>>24090248Animal magic and elemental magic, fun animal factoids, and also what it’s like being a schizoid chudster
>>24090238I wrote about a Chinaman and two people bought it
>>24090282Thanks. I hope I’m doing enough unique things with the fantasy races to hold people’s interest. Although I’ve been told by people in my writing group that modern fantasy avoids using those cliche races. I’ve also been told to add queer elements, so whatever.
>>24090320See that's your problem m you need to write about Jews and how evil white men oppress and kill the Jews. That's the only oppressed minority group worth talking about. Not Chinamen, Pajeet, Mudslimes, Beaners, Niggers, or even Coconuts. Only Jews.
>>24090349But (white) people love reading about the poor, suffering negro.
>>24090361But the poor niggers don't get sales or awards. Only the rich Jew that lost everything.
>>24090156I’d hate for friends or family to read my stuff because I know they’d try to armchair psycho-analyze it in the most retarded ways.
>>24090347I don’t think there’s anything wrong with using races like that, I mean Dungeon Meshi and Frieren are the breakouts of ‘24 by a wide margin
>>24090387The only people in my family who read much is my mom, and I would feel really awkward about sending her most of my stuff since the vast majority of what I write ether is or contains graphic horror.
My problem is that sometimes i feel hyper active and super happy, that's when i start writing a book.However, after a certain time the hyperactivity ceases and i immediately feel depressed, that's when i delete everything i wrote.What can i do to end this cycle?
>>24090449Stop deleting
>>24090449I also second stop deleting. Just put it to the side and ignore it when you feel like shit. No need to destroy it.
>>24090449go to therapy, etcnot really a writing question/issue but a mental one, and you really shouldn't get advice from 4chan in that regard
>>24089516Thanks
>>24090475>you really shouldn't get advice from 4chan in that regardBut we have an advice board!
I wish the discord wasn’t run by unreal trannies moaning about how their newest volume isn’t getting any traction
>>24090562Wait lit has a discord? I never knew dis
>>24090631No. Just the unreal gang
>>24089793I had a bunch of OC characters going on a regular fantasy party adventure where they would meet real characters along the way. I honestly don't know why I set it in Skyrim.
>>24090009I (Skyrim guy) did continue writing more original stuff and steadily improving. I never attempted anything else of novel length, though.
>>2409070766k words is novel length
>>24090720...yes?
>>24090631They say it’s /wg/ but it’s the same half dozen Holden Caulfields jerking each other off
>>24090697There's nothing embarrassing about writing fanfic or whatever, even of vidya. I just thought skyrim was a particularly weird choice because there aren't really any characters in the base game to work with. It being mostly about OCs makes sense, though.There's some characters from some skyrim mods that I really like and have added into a dumb sci-fi fantasy OC setting I'm working on
>>24090707Can you edit the story to not be Skyrim?
Any anons have recommendations on what writing software to use? I've been writing something in bibisco and it seems kind of shit since it gets in the way more than I expected it to.Also would appreciate if an anon told me where I could post short stories without getting fucked for one reason or another.
>>24090762Microsoft WordLibre OfficeGoogle Docs
>>24090762>Any anons have recommendations on what writing software to use?I personally use online notepad to write drafts because too many features destract my ADHD brain. Microsoft, Google, open office.All of them offer word processes that are powerful and flexible enough for your needs as a writer. Haven't personally done page layouts since collage so don't know what is best these days but it isn't important until you got a final draft ready to print anyway so I wouldn't worry about it. As far as posting short stories. Can't really help you much. I post most of my short stories on imageboards. Not here, or really on 4chan in general since the character limit is tiny, but sometimes in some threads I am inspired enough to push through the site imposed limitations to spin a small tale.
>have a good day>decent creativity>feeling quite proud>time for bed>check phone>Notification from "Write Conscious">WHY YOU SUCK AT WRITINGWhy do I ironically follow these charlatans?
>>24090745It's long gone now, and I don't write fantasy anymore. I do remember exactly how it went, though, so a version could exist if I ever decided to start again from scratch.
I'm currently 8 chapters deep into my story (45k words) and as I'm writing I'm constantly thinking of new plot points or plot changes that make the pacing a bit better but instead of just going back to the first chapters to make the adjustments, I just note those changes on a Word document to save after the first draft is done.Am I wrong in doing that? Do you prefer just editing everything immediately after thinking of some change? I just want to get the story done even if it's heavily flawed and then get on with the ironing.
>>24090449write faster so you finish the book in the span of one of your psychotic breakdowns? you can most likely triple your current word count per day, may be enough to finish somethingmost of the greatest authors were fucked up one way or another
>>24090775>>24090794Appreciate your responses. Yeah, my ADHD brain needs me to have my work right there in front of me so that I'm drawn to it.I'm primarily interested in these processes since it makes everything look more impressive as I work on it. Writing is something I've always wanted to do but have lacked the confidence to do for a while, so the better I can make it look the better I can convince myself that I'm not wasting my time.I'm writing something that's gonna be a few dozen pages to test my abilities and prove that I can do some of the stranger things I convinced myself weren't a good fit for literature. I also plan on showing friends and everything ever has a word limit.
>>24090762I like scrivenerIt has its own mini filesystem with folders that you can use to organize documents. Compiling lets you make PDFs with just the sections you want, formatted pretty nicelyCan move and rearrange sections pretty easilyHas notes, metadata, a lot of statistics even words written per dayI'm not saying it's better than anything else but I am saying it's pretty nice
>>24090814For example>Character is given document by X and he looks over it some chapters later>"wait a minute, I can't just have him forget about for what's basically an in-story week">Note down that he gets document at Chapter 2 instead of 5 and that it's in Chapter 4 where he ponders over its contents and Chapter 9 where he actively has to do something about it.I'll just do that instead of going through the change now because I find making edits like that (making the story more consistent/improve the pacing) takes me longer and just delays me from finishing the story.
Wing, you are a brave woman buying an ad. Nobody will buy it though
What are the standard processes of releasing a book?>Finish Draft 0>Go through it again to get Draft 1>Get alpha readers>Using feedback to edit the manuscript to get Draft 2>Get an agent>Contact publishers and if any are interested will get their own editors to help you finish the novel>If this doesn't work out get your own editor, get beta readers and finish editing the novel>Self publish
>>24090762this sure is a popular question here, huh?Obsidian for planning/drafting/just getting the words on page for my zeroth and first drafts Scrivener for editing
>>24090872Am I just limiting myself for just using plain ol' Word for writing the first draft?What does Obsidian offer me more, at least in QoL?
>>24090881No stupid. The only thing limiting you is not putting your fingers on the keyboard and spell out words.
>>24090902Well I already do that but how would Obsidian help me do that better >:(
>>24090905It won't. What would help you do better is read more. And not just the genre you're writing, read shit from monster sex romantasy to controversial books, to treatises, to argumentative essays, to comic books, to homofag smut, to even a step by step book on how to have anal sex.
>>24090238amen anon.
>>24090864What's wrong with my ad? I hope someone on this website buys one copy.
>>24090929>!>AI slop that's not even sexy>five stars>!>no coherent design>can't even read the book's cover>can't even read your own nameAlso the tagline doesn't tell me anything.
>>24090953sorry.
>>24090959why would you be sorry, I block ads and I never even saw itI'm just saying, I would never click on that ad, not that I ever click on any ads
>>24090929I'd buy your book if I had money, anon. You can always improve your ad for next time :)
>>24090929Could be worse
>>24089932As if litfic is any better.Lord Giovanni Ivenobrain, resplendent in the finest silks from the Orient, flopped haughtily into a large, cushioned, award-winning chair in the stately parlor. "Oh, woe is me!" he gasped. "It's so difficult being a rich, lazy layabout! Why, I don't know whether to play croquet or harass the milkmaid."Lady Silentbottom looked on, her face an inscrutable puzzle of long-forgotten secrets. "I do so concur with your misery, Lord Ivenobrain," she pouted. "Why, I could just kill my handmaidens for being prettier than me. How dare they be ten years younger!" She straightened her blouse and set her face firmly. "I'll just have them apply more makeup to my face for the next hour. And meanwhile," she added, "why doesn't thou spanketh thy monkey in thy study, while perusing any number of ribald portraits by famous Baroque artists?"Lord Ivenobrain slapped his crotch as he stood up. "By gum, I'll do just that! Until the morrow, Lady Silentbottom!"
>>24090999I'm pretty sure that just this would've been a better ad
>>24090999>>24091009that's at least quite memorable. >>24090929looks too generic
>>24090775Whihc oen made me batter writer.
>>24090959on a second thought I don't think the AI slop looks too bad, but it's too clearly AI slopyou may want to get someone to paint over it in photoshopalso the flashes of light over the name are stupid as hell, if you're going to make your own covers at least learn about contrast and readability
>>24090562Sorry guys, just been tired, sick, in pain, etc. I finally bought a paperback copy to go along with the PDF download you so nicely provided. I swear I'll read it & post a story-by-story review as soon as I can put two brain cells together.
>>24090929The book title being pink clashes with a good chunk of the same background color and is hard to read.It looks like"night of ValoraERENITYK.K. Ving"
>>24090814>>24090846its fine thats what first drafts are for
I have received an idea from the universe whose length may rival that of some of the longest works of fiction ever conceived. Something that's longer than The Wandering Inn, longer than The Loud House Revamped (both stories combined). Something that could potentially reach 100 million words or more depending on how the story and characters develop. It's a series, but it needs to be due to the number of moving parts involved. I already have the first 50 books planned out, with general storyline plans that will likely span another 50-75 more, alongside far-future story arcs that won't see the light of day for hundreds of books after that. I want to write it more than anything I've ever wanted to write, and I've been working on plans surrounding its story development for months. The only question now is whether I really should birth this monster into the world. Especially because it's a giant crossover fanfic.
>write fantasy novel>protagonist steps through the French Doors>but there is no france in the worldUhh.. what do?
I just stole ideas from the lyrics to a song to write a short story. Am I a hack?
>>24091157glass doors
>>24090959"Sorry" means "I won't do it again"
>>24090802Writing is an art form and so you can't trust people that would approach the art form with that kind of sentiment. I hope you unfollowed them.
>>24090929Sorry but I must trash your work. "A Knight of Valora: Serenity" is one of the blandest SFF titles I've ever encountered. If I found it in the wild, that's all I would bother reading, but since you're an anon I'll read the summary. >Adah undertakes a mission to seek out her team's disappearance.Oof. You probably should've learned how to put words together before you published a book.
>>24089543Back in high-school I filled up about two and a half text books with a story I was working on. It was about a city were people were randomly bestowed with superpowers every year or so. It started off as a sort of pulp action story but quickly devolved into anime bullshit because my readers were my anime obsessed friends. Way too many characters, laughable power escalation, fanservice( yes, really), even self inserts of two of my friends. By the end of it I had completely lost the plot and was making things up on the fly. Even though it was genuinely terrible, I can’t help but be impressed by the passion and scale of it all. Ask me any questions about it if you want since I'm just looking for an excuse to talk
>>24090802Teaching guilt and shame is standard procedure for self help Get rid of that shit
https://pastebin.com/nruS1fNn700-word seaside tale about a fishy lady.
>>24091208>By the end of it I had completely lost the plot and was making things up on the flySo just like literally any major serialized work from Japan?
>>24090207I got up to about the first space between sections in Chapter 1. I'm bored stiff.
>>24091208>losing the plot and making things up on the flybased pantser
Chapter three is out, for anyone who wants to tear me a new onrlinktree/BornUnderaBlackSun
>>24091304I wish I could tell you it's not your best work but it's all you seem to have out there so it is.
>>24091335It’s over..
Here's how to get people to read your work: don't write dull bullshit
I think I am actually going to make it.I just finished my epic sprawling epic fantasy saga (with a sci-fi twist) and paid for some beta-readers... they haven't given much feedback yet but they loved the detail of my magika system. I really struggled coming up with names for all of the wizard houses and clans, but I ask ChatGPT to generate me some and they are pretty good!
>>24091341Anon, understand that paying people to read your work tends to texture the responses you receive. When you went to school, people were paid to read your work, and you wrote like shit then. You can't rely on paying people—your work has to scream to them to be read. At that point, they'll happily pay you to read it. >I ask ChatGPT to generate7/10 bait, made me reply
>>24091377dman i wasnt even trying nigga, you didnt catch on after my second 'epic?'
>>24091393Now post something unironic about what you're actually working on.
>>24090929>part [genre], part [genre], part [genre], and all [adjective]Congrats, you told me absolutely nothing about your book.
>>24091236>Abyssal KingdomHave you been having a cheeky peek at my thoughts again?I'd read chapter 2, if you write it
>>24091410I am a visceral realist.
>>24091341Does today's word count in shitposts exceed your word count in your writingYou don't have to tell, you just have to feel bad
>>24091462shitposts ARE my writing
>250107I've cracked the code. Today I named five-hundred dragons in one sitting . . . My saga is progressing at a rate I'm starting to find untenable. It's limitless. My mind pours dragon names and magic systems like water. Only worked the second half of shift today. Work has been slow, but it gives me time to read and write on the clock. So I sat in the cafeteria and cried laughing as the universe spread before me . . . I became a God.
>>24091501>spaced ellipses I hope you get sick and never recover
>>24090929Looks like a generic web novel so I would personally avoid it for that reason. That said I go out of my way to avoid ads so I don't know what a good ad looks like. But yeah, generic is what comes to mind when seeing the ad.
>>24091009Yeah, I like the art and the title implies I am in for a edgy ride, which I tend to like quite a bit. Like the proper amount of edgy will get me to overlook all kinds of other flaw because it's inherently entertaining to me.
>>24091157I don't know what french doors are. Could you describe them for me?
>>24091158All ideas come from somewhere. As long as you aren't plagiarizing stuff word for word it's fine. Having a song as a source of inspiration is pretty cool actually.
>>24091529what can I say . . . I am a provocateur after all.
>>24091158yes but its good for your development so its fine
>>24091421that's why you read it.
>>24091236Reminds me of stories of selkie.Anyway, I suggest you read it out loud a few times or get a text to speech thingy to read it. That way you can smooth some of the lines for better flow. While the vernacular isn't to my taste it has potential.
>>24091340Bullshit. I write almost exclusively pulp, fast pace horror, and thrillers that are anything but dull. People still don't read my shit.
>>24091424Thanks for the encouragement anon but it's a short story
>>24091576Is this bait or do you honestly believe writing in particular genres or shooting off your plot points at a certain speed automatically makes your work interesting?
>>24091592You are just a jackass.
>>24091599he might be a jackass but you're clearly a tool
>>24091592I'd like to clarify the rules for everyone. if you ask 'is this bait?' before taking the bait, it does NOT nullify that fact that you have indeed taken the bait.
>>24091608is this bait?
>>24091570If that's your pitch, I don't think I will, because you could describe just about anything. Hell, you described my slop.
>>24091624You wouldn't have read it in the first place.
>>24091624This is why titties today are literally synopsis.I am a magical knight trying to find my friends but an an ancient evil arose and now wants to destroy the world!
>>24091633Not that guy, but if I am honest I don't read much fiction these days regardless.I consume most fantasy books in audiobook format, to which I rarely pay for.
>>24091641That's fine. Books in general are pretty niche
Once I'm a famous legend I'll publish an anthology of all my incomplete works under the title "Fits & Starts"
>>24090449Sounds like mania, do you also have anxiety issues?
>MC in the story is supposed to adventure for a while before meeting the main love interest>a side character who comes up before that has much better chemistry with the MC>they're just naturally drawn to each other>now it will feel like total asspull bullshit if the MC doesn't get together with the side character instead of the heroine who hasn't even appeared yetJesus, it's all fucked
>>24091736You plotters sre such silly creatures
I tried out AI for the first time...but I mostly write horror and the AI is a censored to hell baby backed bitch. So I basically just wasted a hour playing with a tech toy.The tech bros talking about AI replacing writers were full of shit. People love blood and spice, both of which AI are restricted from producing.
>>24091771There are uncensored models out there, if only you weren't a clueless techlet
>>24091771human beings pushing for human obsolescence is the craziest shit man
>>24091773>There are uncensored models out thereWhich probably suck ass at writing stories and are mostly used by horny idiots to masturbate.
>>24091780Wrong again.
>>24091791You say that, but my own eyes, experience, and the ai slop I have seen that has been self published says otherwise.
>>24091793Personal anecdotes are worthless. I don't believe you've seen every single thing made with AI, or tried every model out there, which are constantly being upgraded. The self-published stuff is the most low-effort chatgpt slop that greedy jews hurried to print out as soon as the tech became available, and in no way representative of the tech's capabilities.
>>24091820I don't need to see everything that has ever been generated for basic pattern recognition to kick in. AI generated stuff is shit. Simple as.
>>24090009I'll try again don't worry, eventually
>>24090881I don't think you're limiting yourself at all. If it works for you, that's good. I really struggle with wanting to edit as I'm writing, labouring over every sentence/turn of phrase/word choice, etc and ultimately don't get anywhere because it kills momentum. Having a properly formatted page that "looks like the real thing" makes that impulse even worse. It's like that inertia some people get with not wanting to write in a really expensive notebook.You can make Obsidian pretty fancy with plugins but it isn't a fancy writer's program and I don't try to use it as one. I get much more writing done now because I'm more comfortable with writing (and seeing) my dogshit zeroth and first drafts as a block of unformatted text. My problem is getting the words out in the first place but it might not be yours. If you feel really motivated by seeing your manuscript slowly take shape as you're writing and aren't discouraged by what I was talking about then you're probably fine with Word.>What does Obsidian offer me more, at least in QoLFolders to keep stuff organised. That might not be helpful for what you're writing or how you write. Some people make their Obsidian excessively feature-rich or don't do anything beyond making a worldbuilding wiki.
>>24091773>There are uncensored models out there, if only you weren't a clueless techletSuch as....?
>hear they use google drive to train AIis this fear mongeringI feel afraid and want to pull everything off it immediately
What font and font size do you use for your book? I'm using Liberation Serif 12 but when I print it it seems too big compared to other books, even digitally when I export it in pdf it still seems bigger than other ebooks and pdfs I have
>>24091931When I suggested they would do this in an earlier thread, I just got laughed at for being a conspiracy theorist
>>24091828>AI doesn't work for me, I tried!>it could be made to work, if only you bothered to learn how>NO IT DOESN'T WORK, IT DOESN'T WORK, I KNOW AAAAHHHyou're only hurting yourself by being like this
>>24091931anon, if you publish a book it's going straight to the ai cauldrons, who caresunless you write for yourself
>>24091995>you're only hurting yourself by being like this>the people who use ai to write universally produce shitI don't think he is missing out on much.
>>24092009Be shit, produce shit. AI can't give a person good taste, that's true. It's only a tool.
>>24092002>unless you write for yourselfI pretty much doI've got hundreds of pages of short stories and flash fiction from over the years. I post the odd one here and there, maybe show one to a friend or family if I'm especially proud of it, but in general my writing is for the sake of writing itI'd rather not anything I create benefit a corporate entity or soulless retard
>>24091164Who died and made YOU queen bitch of everything?
>>24090959Don't apologize. You were happy enough to release your book. Better than 99% of all the schmucks here. Be proud and move on to the next one. Marketing is hard as fuck. Look at the random house lawsuit.
>>24090929I'll buy your slop anon. I believe in supporting /lit/ even when they're shit
>>24091991As well you should be. It's ridiculous to think a company would ever do anything vaguely unethical. You probably aren't even up-to-date on your Covid vaccines, are you? I've been boosted more times than I can count. I got a mild case around the holidays. It would have been so much worse.
How do you guys feel about a fantasy story of a race of fruit people invading and killing humans?The banana will split and the watermelon and orange cantaloupe!
>Share pastebin in all the relevant groups several days ago>Thirty-two link opens (Ten of which may have been me)>One acknowledgement of its existenceBros this fucking hurts
>>24092479alright you pitiful thing, I'll read it however for your indiscretion I'm going in with a cynical eye
>>24091736>write a good love triangle >this is for some reason le bad
>>24091736>>24092494this. now make it a love hexagon
>easily distracted from writing >start to write>get hooked>nothing feels better than writing at that moment>eventually grow tired>sleep>repeatany tips for getting myself to write more?
>>24092517let yourself be bored removing stimulations until the subject you wish to focus on is your only outlet is tried and true
>>24091892>don't do anything beyond making a worldbuilding wiki.Calling me out personally again, I seeFucker
>>24092479oh, you don't want me now huh? after all I've done for you?YOU WHORE I KNOW YOU WANT ME YOU'VE NEVER HAD A READER LIKE ME I'M TOO GOOD FOR YOU
Has anyone here published a finish work yet?
>>24092595finnish*
>>24092479Sorry anon I struggle with reading pastebin. The font and text size hurt my boomer eyes>You could just put it into wordI know I know but I'm lazy. You could just lose weight. Eh tubby?
>>24090929>and a mysterious merchant seemingly in control of it all.I'm not buying your /pol/ slop
>>24092494Love triangles fucking suck. One girl is always clearly, drastically better than the other and you just hate the dense faggot gaylord MC for not being able to see it.
>>24092667/adv/ slop, /x/ slop, /soc/ slop, /a/ slop, /h/ slop, and the worst... /lit/ slop.
>>24092680Tifa vs AerithAsuka vs ReiAnd the winner is some third party woman that appears out of nowhere
>>24092479>share pastebin only on one of these /wg/ threads>200+ viewsskill issue
>>24090929What fetishes did you sneak in your book anon?
>>24092224I have bought some /wg/ products but to date I have never read one of them.
>>24092688>check last piece I posted>111I'm suspect of your data but agree with your premise
What kind of imagery would you use to illustrate the feeling of star-crossed lovers?
>>24092715want me to write the rest of your novel too while I'm at it?
>>24092715this sort of ideation is the fun AND easy part of writing do it yourself. if you can't, how can you hope to do the hard work of braiding shit together and putting words on page?
>>24092680This is a JP romcom trope: the fake love triangle which is actually a mono love story with a 3rd wheel.
>>24092715the romantic kind
>>24092704I bought a beautiful kingdom and I thought it was pretty good.
Can you give a link to the /wg/ discord?
>>24092736You can't get enough gay cybersex elsewhere?
>>24092552I'm very happy that you read it and critiqued me, Robert. All I can do is thank you, sincerely.>>24092661I have a condition.
>>24092738I assume their gay cybersex is better written.
>>24092718>I dunno>>24092720>I dunno>>24092723>I dunnoOf course you don’t, you’ve never been exposed to romance, just animalistic porn. Romance to you people is flashing cartoon panties.
>>24092763>tries to crowd source his creativity>seethes when made fun of just prompt your story bro, writing clearly isn't for you
>>24092715Hmmmm I'm not sure
>>24092769Stop being so ableist. AI is a tool like any other. Would you tell someone with crutches they should stop trying to walk?
>>24092769>when made fun ofpretty gently too he has neither the mind nor the skin for writing, it seems
>>24088906I'm trying to grow my skill as a writer, I've been focusing on making better euphonies and metaphors. I'm not sure if the actual meaning is obvious.Sought easy-found saints, and succor lapped stateFriends opined, mixed wishing urging to remain Oblique, incompatible, urging thought to placate Always parallel, never passed to trudge with walk or wadeAnd hoping the sea would swallow your likeness Like spitted out swirling froth to kindness Looking up at me in your sunset dryness When the wave pulls back past where the day's tide isWarm wafting fields, wind inciting, punctuating cairns Inciting fright, hazards crafted on behalf of care Family indefinitely carved and trapping air Cupped in hands, held cleansed palms, a gentler affair Retention in rivets drilled deep mindful sockets What a struggle to lash out then calm in back pockets Raucous and glaring, faith left with the rockets Quiet unbelief, resting sanctity, more and remade.
>>24091549Double doors with window panes
>return to story I haven't touched since November 24>start to read what I remember was a great story>it's atrocious and I can barely make it through the first paragraphIt's literally over
>>24092844I've spent maybe four hours writing, and at least double that revising and rewriting. That's what an author does. A writer might shit out a short story in a couple days, but an author will obsess over every detail. So get to work.
>>24090929>FeMCNo thanks. I can't self insert
>>24092911you will be a woman
>>24090929The ! commanding me to BUY NOW is very intimidating. Try to be less dictatorial in future ads.
>post my eBook as part of Kindle Unlimited>do a quality check to make sure it worked>get paid $1.01 for thatThis is like a pyramid skeem
>>24091157>fantasy novel>house has venetian blinds
>>24092977kek
>>24092844>return to story I haven't touched since November 24>remember it being a forced slog I wrote while half-unconscious from sleep deprivation>it's actually gold, a right page-turner>now back on the groove again
>>24092977>Fantasy novel>Eat an all American burger
>>24091157Just make up a fantasy country and say the doors came from there, but describe them however French doors look.
>>24091157Don't do what the anon above me says. It's cluttering, irrelevant information that creates a problem for you to solve.
>When King Viserys took Alicent Hightower to wife in 106 AC, House Velaryon was notable for its absence. Princess Rhaenyra poured for her stepmother at the feast, and Queen Alicent kissed her and named her “daughter.” The princess was amongst the women who disrobed the king and delivered him to the bedchamber of his bride.How the hell does one insert blatantly weird shit like a daughter stripping her dad to fuck her new stepmother without people thinking it's weird? Does GRRM just have a magic anti-noticing aura or some shit?
>>24088906Published my book on Amazon, now I guess I'll publish it a few other places and try to advertise, though I doubt anyone will read it.
>>24091549>>24092814lol...
>>24093056It builds lore. If you refer to that country elsewhere it's depth. If you just throw it in as random trivia its wasted info, however.
>>24093087No one will read it. I have 0 hits on my book. I have my own, I mean, but other than that, zero.
>>24093084why would you assume it wasn't supposed to be off-putting?
>>24093087I’ll buy it!>>24093097Yours, too.
>>24093087i'll read your book
Any other communities for writing? r/writing?
I personally enjoy watching youtube videos on the theory of writing more than writing itself
>>24093120I can recommend against any discord groups. Every one I’ve tried has been nothing but pronoun toting faggots who are more concerned with representation than good storytelling.
>>24089098Revised it according to anon's critiques. Well, most of them.
>>24093097Ya, I don't think you can really get massive publicity if you aren't promoting the mainstream stuff anymore, not much room for niche stuff, or maybe that the market is just oversaturated with people all trying to be writers.>>24093109>>24093110You guys should buy my book, it's fucking awful. I honestly have no idea how to market or price or anything, so the presentation is ass.Check out Subliminality on Amazon, written by Kuzy.
>>24093140I haven't had this experience but I did notice that most writing discords are garbage. there was one I liked where in order to be let in you had to post a chapter/short story for review a worked to keep the retards out
>>24093087Yeah better not link it here... That way it won't get contaminated with the stink of usage.
>>24093170I'm not sure what you mean by that?
>>24093140But the alternate is the Unreal Trannies.>circle jerk of males who only write to win poetry awards in small towns in Flyover, USA>don’t even read each other’s writing, they just talk about themselves all day long and masturbate over how Holden Caulfield coded they are>are genuinely enamored with AI, always talk about AI, insist on attaching their AI slop to all their works>will only accept new members to their circlejerk if they’re female, but the women always end up leaving because the group makes them extremely uncomfortable
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I sit at my desk and a whole universe spreads around me. a universe of dragoons and wizards . . . my word count increases by the tens of thousands every day . . . my word count . . . I need more data to perfect my writing . . . I've started to track my WPM and DNPM (dragoon names per minute). I can sustain 40 DNPM for a half an hour before I collapse from the strain.
>>24093161cool, ill check it out. ive bought like a dozen anon books now. as long as theyre like $4 on kindle
>>24093207>>24093140>everyone but meyou do understand that no one buys this shit, right? self awareness please
>>24093207this can't be real
>>24093216My book is unable to be transferred to E-book format, literally impossible.
speaking of AI, what's the current state of AI audio books? Some of the stuff I've heard has been very, very good, but I don't know if it's feasible across an entire novel.
speaking of AI, I am a traitor to my kind and want death and torment for the entirety of the human race.
speaking of AI, I am a complete zombie with absolutely no taste whatsoever and I eat whatever anybody puts in front of me.
>>24093227Lol. Lmao, even.
>speaking of AI, I am a traitor to my kind and want death and torment for the entirety of the human race.
How would I know if I’m an A.I.?
>>24093161Amazon doesn’t seem to think that book is available anywhere.
>>24093401Did you check under books? It didn't pull up for me until I specified books on the lefthand section. Expensive ass book this is.https://www.amazon.com/Subliminality-Kuzy/dp/B0DSG9B2CZ?crid=12O17RFUHVVSS&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1czkxlwnWx34HWCOGoD1aE3CST7TKLFL10iHfH6b50k1ZClIwb4poWRt3iqboAhVx9eJmpPAdAEATiYb4mygnaYSzF11BF4b3Pgr5xF-5Rw6fm0nj8BcAKywOeyRaK7gMxYTa8NtFqUMmMR6J0aPiEeLweWXvIJIDNL5RXHmdYsObi8KQM79vtTMTDjo2bk_pakHeHKsprcz51XrNH7wnrsD8gNGmJyC6TyMOmpD33OCqRjW8ADm5CIXBJ0Ramd_.VWgmOacspBjoo4Ietm2ylgyksGEC4MzB4Q1z0xASM1w&dib_tag=se&keywords=subliminality&qid=1736370846&s=books&sprefix=subliminalit%2Cstripbooks%2C185&sr=1-1
>>24093415>$16.88>for paperbackdamn son
>>24093429I've updated it. the Minimum price I was allowed to set is 13.98, probably because it's 270 pages and included a lot of other bullshit like crossword puzzles.
Eh, I dunno the climax of my book feels lame.
>>24093108Idk everyone seems to like his shit although I see more incest memes
>>24093489Maybe one weird piece isn't enough to ruin the whole puzzle made up of hundreds of pieces, when it fits the setting? It'd be a different story if the whole book revolved around nothing but incest and the author went to obscene detail with it, but that's not the case.
>>24089135Honestly not too bad for a newbie, but you fall into the usual amateur habit of giving about the same amount of attention, in description and imagery, to everything, with the result that the whole thing reads in a kind of monotonous drone without any distinguishing features. It frequently doesn't feel like it's going anywhere or building to anything.
>>24092811Try and maintain a baseline of 10 syllables per line, allowing for flourishes of 11 when needed or for better flow
>>24089543100k thriller novel. I thought it was done, got rejected by many agents, left it alone for 6 months.Now I'm changing a few things and trying again.
>>24089543>What is the largest piece of writing you’ve worked on?413k words>Is it finished?Declared it dropped before the finish line but frankensteining it into a better, stronger draft.>Did you share it with anyone?Published it on Royalroad from April 2020 to around June last year, and on SH and SB (now deleted) but I got incredible burnout and loop of bad mental states so it was fruitless limping at the end.
>>24093513>It'd be a different story if the whole book revolved around nothing but incest and the author went to obscene detail with it, but that's not the case.To be fair he does add a lot of incest in ASOIAF but it is always a less central and more subtle thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ei3MKfU2IPlease be aware of your readers' sensitivity towards problematic topics and themes.
>>24093958Everyone who goes to college to write books should be executed, no wonder all the art industry is trash these days.https://youtu.be/iPsOEZTO8OE?si=uKmV__Pp1hSIz757
>>24093958I read an article a few days ago britbongs got a little whippy snappy pantsy wantsy about the Illiad or Odyessy one or the other. Even Boris was shocked apparently. Do bongs really?
>>24093415>read samplegod damn bro. Indent and justify!
>>24094708It makes the text look absurdly clean to the point of extinction. The Justify option adds in spaces to make the lines even with the number of characters but it's super weird to read a book that does this shit randomly.Indent centers it in the page, but it just looks unnatural, idk why anyone would do that. More then anything, the kind of formatting you're recommending would contradict the manner of the exposition, affecting the way that most scientific studies are written, thus contradicting themes as well.
>>24094729>The Justify option adds in spaces to make the lines even with the number of characters but it's super weird to read a book that does this shit randomly.Micro spacing fool!>Indent centers it in the page, but it just looks unnatural, idk why anyone would do that.What? Set the indent tab to .025 if needed. Holy crap do you not know how to use a word processor?
>>24094729>>24094732Looks indented and justified to me
>>24094732The spaces added are excessive, maybe I'm not sure how it works. I just don't like the way it looks, it seems unnatural, and does little to change what information is being relayed. What's more it could throw off the number of pages, and the formatting on other chapters that are dependent upon formatting, which seems absurd, like I'm trying to up some aesthetic quality for no really meaningful reason but to fit in with how standardized books might relay themselves, which would again contradict a theme.I honestly just don't see the point of what you're saying.
>>24094746The point anon is trying to make is that your shit is unreadable and you're an insane schizoid.
>>24094064In my country, the number one theater school had to stop making students read Shakespeare, because female students claimed it represented "rape culture". I don't know why the school caved in, instead of just kicking out the students who refused to participate in class. I think the whole purpose of education has been forgotten.
>>24094788What is it about the lines being off that makes it unreadable? You don't think an essay that has inconsistent spacing is any less unappealing? Just seems neurotic and contrived.
>>24094806You should leave formatting to those who know what they're doing
What's the writing equivalent of this
>>24094863>meme book for beginners that worksit exists but I can't remember it. it stands out because it actually contains exercises and lessons instead of just being self help guru 'wisdom'
I know this is kind of vague, but do you guys have any techniques or processes that you use when trying to give goals to your characters?
>>24094900For me, they're usually the opposite of a character's current circumstances and may or may not be based on a fundamental misunderstanding about something/someone/the world.
>>24088906So I went to r/betareaders to trade with some people. I got 4 people to read my first chapter and I read theirs in turn.One guy once I was done went through my work and just suggested word changes to use less big words and then grilled me on my paragraphing telling me X should be indented and Y should be a part of the preceding paragraph. He then gave up 1/4 through the chapter.The next person gave really good feedback and his work was also pretty good. We basically pat each other on the back and parted ways. He gave me feedback saying that one scene was awkward yet I felt the awkwardness was a good moment.The third gave me a really cerebral piece that I had to read twice over to give him valuable feedback.Then then claimed to have read mine, gave zero feedback other than "Look! Your work is really good, keep righting. It's not ready for beta reading yet."Last one was the worst.I traded 3 chapters for their short story.Their short story was very hard to get through.It was a fantasy story about a single orc mother and I got through it and tried to give the most positive criticism I could such as the story not benefiting from the fantasy genre and how to fix it. The story being told not having a market and that making it a part of an anthology will give it a good chance of being appreciated. The heavy handed 1 to 1 "orcs as black people" and how to handle it better. The lack of world building and fixing it with thing such as world events in the background and festivals that can act as a backdrop to the characters conflicts.The person then read 1 chapter and despite being told to not read it sentence by sentence and critique ever line they did it. "Luminous crystals were scattered across the cave ceiling.""How big are they? I can't picture the scene you haven't given enough description.""They climbed the spiral stairs.""How many steps are there, I can't imagine this."Best of all"Since you made the comparison to orcs being black people I didn't expect you to portray them like this."The portray...They are raiders. Four eyes on my work and I have absolutely no idea what to do with any of the feedback. That's ignoring the people that completely ghosted and didn't even open my document.
>>24092430>actually gets COVID boostersYou realize that the government's own data (in this case, a study run inside California's prisons) shows that the more "boosters" you take, the more likely you are to come down with COVID?https://web.archive.org/web/20230920172614/https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/boosted-people-more-likely-unvaccinated-be-infected-new-study-findsChickenshit conformists like you get exactly what you deserve.
Living in a city is actually hell. I will never ever understand how New York ever took off as a writer's paradise. Isn't it just so fucking loud and crowded?>Trying to write some comfy fiction>Drilling outside>Train over there>Car swarm>Planes above>Helicopter>Loud fucking children and blacks just making noise somewhere loud enough that I can hear it from probably 3 blocks awayFucking hell anons. FUCKING HELL. WHO WOULD LIVE IN NEW YORK? How can anyone do this to themselves? My city is much, much less crowded than this, and it makes me crazy. I can't imagine the psychic torture of listening to this street 24/7. The accents too holy fucking shit end it all.
>>24095119I live in Astoria, it’s amazing. We have every minority except for Indians and Black People. I get a lot of work done in my apartment but I have a dog to walk, so some days I’ll just hang out in Central Park and read/write all day
>>24094863>>24094877the elements of style?
>>24095085Send it to me and I'll give you feedback on the weekend.
>>24095096I'm pretty sure anon was being ironic.
>>24095085I get much better results from beta readers when I have prepared extremely specific questions to ask them like >Did you expect this twist/betrayal/revelation/reveal etc? (depending on what you're trying to achieve, this may not be desirable)>(related) Did you catch/miss this piece of foreshadowing? >Do you find this character trustworthy/suspicious/annoying/likeable? >etcBasically stuff that you might struggle to answer from the perspective of an average reader because as the author, it's impossible to separate your knowledge of what's going on and how they're perceived by others who only have whatever's on the page as their reference. Simply asking "whaddya think" will only give you generic feedback and back-patting, or irrelevant critique on unimportant things that disproportionately affected them not because of your writing but because of who they are. Maybe I'm being pedantic but I also think there's a deeper underlying problem of beta readers thinking they're being asked to be (and that they're even qualified to be) critique partners, as well as writers thinking beta readers ARE critique partners. For me, beta readers are meant to represent the average reader in your intended audience. I think their value is in gauging how things are (not) landing rather than giving feedback like a schoolteacher.
>>24095167Sounds great. I'd love to read your work too. Email me on this throw away, I'll give you the link by email. I hear that publicly posting your work can fuck over publishing in the future. Not sure if that's true, but pasting the link here also isn't something I'm massively comfortable with anyway.kakopress@gmail.com
>>24095199That's a problem. Because at this stage I don't have specific questions for anyone reading just the first chapter. The first chapter has a lot of intrigue but no anwsers and is basically a prelude more than the actual start of the story. The start of the story is chapter 3 after chapter 2 has given you a bit more context to the things eluded to in chapter 1. So when I asked the guy to read 3 chapters as it was equal to the length of his full story and he didn't it was basically making his feedback useless as a lot of his feedback aside from "you say the night stand looks as though it was built by someone with no love for carpentry, what makes it look like that?" was "I don't know what this proper noun is, why are you using unique words for fantasy things?"
>>24095199>writers thinking beta readers ARE critique partnersGood point, I've noticed this too. I'm even guilty of this shit. Frankly writers make garbage beta readers because they're too conscious of the medium>>24095236You probably shouldn't be getting people to beta read at chapter 4. If you genuinely think it'd be helpful and aren't just seeking the thrill of readers and feedback, ask a non-writer
>>24095174Fair enough. It's too damn early in the morning.
How do I do confrontation without breeching into melodrama? I suck with the actual confrontation element of my stories
>>24095119Most people aren't hypersensitive autists, bear in mind
>>24095085Writers are not beta readers.Writers are not beta readers.Writers are not beta readers.And I don't know what you were expecting from reddit.Anyway, there are two or three people you want to look for.Potential readers interested in your bookFamily members, not because they'll give you genuine feedback, but because they may introduce your book to potential readers maybe willing to share feedbackEditorsAlso most editors don't even write. I was talking to one recently, she likes editing way more than writing.Writers are not beta readers.
>>24095306Melodrama isn't even wrong, if that's how you write just embrace it.
>>24094064>Do bongs really?Possibly. There seems to be a great deal of inconsistency in the quality and extent of education in humanities and the arts in this country. In my interactions with other 4chan users, which are of course to be taken with a grain of salt because they might just be meming about woke schooling, I've seen it claimed that every English Literature course in the country has units on feminist and minority authors and white males aren't even accepted on the reading list, but my education was really quite good and not all that long ago. Some parts of the country are infamous for the poor standard of state (public) schooling there.
>>24095236Can you at least explain why you think you need a beta read at this stage? I agree with the other anon and even what that beta reader said: you probably aren't ready for a beta read yet. This has nothing to do with writing quality or even the amount you've (not) written but more to do with how much you've thought about your work.From what you've described, I can already think of many questions worth asking an average reader and I'm not even the one who wrote your story. Put a different way, these can be things you are worried about like your two-chapter prelude/prologue being potentially too long or slow or vague for people to work through before reaching the actual start of your story. It might be asking what a reader thinks is being alluded to in chapter 1 before given the context in chapter 2. It might be the mysteries you're alluding to being less interesting than you had wished. You're getting generic unhelpful feedback because you haven't defined what helpful insightful feedback would be.Of course, I'm not saying my model of structuring beta reads around asking specific questions being the best or only way to do things but it's been a helpful change for me after struggling with similar issues in the past.>>24095257>I'm even guilty of this shitwho isn't? I only got over it after getting amazing feedback from a bunch of tabletop roleplayers. Completely changed my perspective on beta readers vs critique partners.
>>24095236>eluded to
>am 60k words in with THREE potential web novel projects>still can't tell which to move forward with, they're all fun and I enjoy writing themFucking hell, I was sure I'd lost interest in at least one by this point.
>how to beta test>give them half the first chapter>if they don't ask for the rest, it sucks>if they do, give them the rest of the first chapter>if they don't ask for the rest, it may or may not suck, run some average over all the tests>if they ask for the rest you've got something, edit and polish
>>24095636Of course, I'm oversimplifying things. If your first chapter is too slow or whatever then come up with a better litmus testBut the only beta test worth acting on is people asking for more
>>24095119>nooo not the heckin noisarino I can't even thinky-think over it all!
>>24094830Still doesn't answer my question, if anything reinforces the notion that formatting is standardization without substance. I'll leave the formatting to the BIPOC LGBT writers, seems to be more for their quality of writing.
>>24095306>>24095400Depends on what you mean by melodrama. Kubrick claims to have avoided melodrama by mixing "real ideas" into his work. By that, I suppose he means serious/pertinent themes.
>>24095727If your characters feel real I would imagine melodrama won't be an issue, even an overdramatic confrontation would probably feel real. But I don't think melodrama is a bad thing at all, it's just its own style.There are genres that thrive off melodrama and it's not just soaps, but they're usually visual mediums like theater of TV
>>24095636give me half of a chapter NOW
>put up a full book when you have no name and no audienceDumb move. Why should the world read your book? Just because you wrote it?
>>24094863Garner's Modern English Usage
>>24095845Why should anyone read anything? Just because somebody has an accolade or an education? The vapidity of the modern industry is in making acceptable artistic expression a matter of authority and occupation; Art as a job is only pursued by cunts.Art is a matter of expression, to be or not to be, that even if nobody hears what I have to say I at least said it, and I said something different from what all these "Educated" individuals can even come close to conceptualizing. For my work, I am advertising and working to promote it, and if it gets no attention then so be it, I was at least sincere, and I'm skilled enough to know that writing is inherently fucking stupid as an occupation. For so long as we keep giving our money and attention to people who are only propaganda agents with ideological agendas, we have no right to complain about how shitty all artistic expression has become, and I won't regard the opinion of anyone on art if they subscribe to a streaming service, or read Neil Gayman, or care about "Representation".The ultimate irony is that while the industry claims to be inclusive, they reject any idea that might actually propel a genuine conversation forward. I'd rather be completely anonymous for the rest of my life, then confine myself to their standards to the death of all artistic expression.
>>24095776Unless you’re getting that reaction your book is not going to do wellIt doesn’t have to be the first chapter but if they tell you it’s great then it’s not great. If they don’t tell you it’s great but they ask for more then it is That’s pretty much how Tolkien decided to publish his works, but narrating a fragment to a friend and him wanting to read the whole thing.
>>24095726>blind retard>also /pol/tardevery fucking time
>>24095931You are literally not even talking to me, you are addressing a generalization and not responding to what I'm actually saying.How does lines not being aligned on a page effect the readability of a piece of work in any way? Why don't you give me an example of your own writing to compare it to?
