>>24091152
if normies love slop so much, surely it's easy to write

>>24091174
It is pretty easy to write. The hard part is getting people to read it

>reading while drunk
epic normalfag thread to screenshot for reddit updoots :DDDDDD

Fantasy/sci-fi where the strong female mc encounters a primitive tribe of humans or aliens and has to dress in their tribal attire (loincloth, beads, body paint, piercings, etc)?

>>24091152
You should contemplate killing yourself for being such a laughably bad cook. I’ve met children with more competency.

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>>24091152
>mormon books with hard liquor

>>24091152
Imagine reading sanderslop and thinks that you're 'cool'
The shonenslop of sff novel

>>24091177
Anyone can write poorly, but writing mass market slop for the HFCS onions golem is a fine art.

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Chapter three is out, for anyone who wants to tear me a new one
linktree/BornUnderaBlackSun

Is WaT really that bad? Where's the proof?

>>24091152
A paper plate on top of a regular plate. Why?
>>24091179
This.

>>24091174
>>24091177
I'm about 100 pages into Mistborn and I get the feeling I could write something better. Hell, I want to. Not sure how I'd get recognized outside of forcing my book as a meme on 4chan.

>>24089766 from last thread is right though. Mormons really look out for their own. I grew up in a mormon city in Idaho and when I was 13 Sanderson would come do book signings at the Barnes and Noble here for Elantris. They basically forced him as the best mormon fantasy author and heir of Orson Scott Card and then released him to the masses with their backing. If you own a business here and there's a mormon business competing with you, you cannot win no matter how much higher quality your goods/service are, because the mormons will avoid business with you and put the shitty mormon businesses first.

>>24091261
redpill me on The Bridgelands and where the bridges came from. Are they naturally occurring?

>>24091265
>Not sure how I'd get recognized outside of forcing my book as a meme on 4chan.
learn royalroad's algorithm, accumulate followers(if you don't hit 5k within a month it's over, try again), open a patron for free money, switch to amazon kindle unlimited exclusivity contract once you've got a few books worth of material for amazon's algorithm and you've gotten all the readers you can from royalroad
that's the current self publishing method that actually works

>>24091192
Australian colonial historical fiction

I liked Draco's Tavern by Niven. The episodic chapters with very slight overarching plot covering varied ethical and philosophical topics appeal to me. Any similar books with interesting ideas?

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>>24091265
the Bridgelands are not naturally occurring. Magic in my setting is animal based, incredibly common, and gives a very valid reason for some people to practise cannibalism.

There are several cultures that use this magic to live underwater, picrel shows some of the underwater nomadic peoples. Without going into spoiler territory, the people of the Bridgelands have a very good reason to avoid the water at all costs. After generations of fear, it basically became a religious beliefs. The ocean is hell, and if you step in it you’re asking for trouble.
The bridges are made using very advanced animal magic. Using chimera creatures of various types, the bridges were built from coral, spider-silk, calcium carbonate shells producing creatures, mixed with the ability of a very cool sea snail that can produce iron. Not an easy progress, and the men with the capability and knowledgeto create such structures no longer exist in this world, causing the bridges to fall into a state of disrepair.
Thanks for asking!

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>>24091294
Wrong image

>>24091261
>reach>reach

>reach
>reach

>>24091303
that’s what it translates to in english

>>24091303
This was my thought too. Maybe he can mix it up?

>>24091320
I cannot mix it up, there’s relevance to the reaches

How good is ebay for buying books? Like the first result where it's a $7 mmpb with free shipping?

>>24091327
Depends on the seller. I've had good experiences and bad experiences.

>>24091325
chad

>>24091356
What's the bad experience?

>>24091152
>mise-en-scene

>>24091358
Books that are in worse quality than they were advertised as being.

>>24091261
Prattandabesh sounds like a place full of train rail and temples

another thread of reddit normalfags off facebook talking about their five favorite bestselling NYT goodreads approved tomes :DDDDDDD

>>24091261
>winter's soul but no summer's soul
>sun's shadow but no moon's shadow
>inshallah
>greyreach, snowreach, greenreach, goldreach
>northrange and southrange are the same chain of mountains

>>24091277
>learn royalroad's algorithm, accumulate followers(if you don't hit 5k within a month it's over, try again)

But what if I don't want to write litRPG?

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>>24091386
Actually the Indians are down south in Barym and Sun’s Shadow
Their languages don't match their real world cultural equivalents

>>24091396
/sffg/ was shit before 2018

>>24091395
You can always go the smut or fanfiction route.

>>24091395
Well you can also write progression!
Or you can just pretend to write litrpg and sprinkle a tiny bit of it in at the beginning to bait the normies then remove your litrpg tag when you're the most popular novel
like super supportive did

>>24091396
Why do you have fifty completely different cultures right next to each other on one continent in tiny states? What's the scale of this place?

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>>24091403
>Or you can just pretend to write litrpg and sprinkle a tiny bit of it in at the beginning to bait the normies then remove your litrpg tag when you're the most popular novel
Maybe.
Since Female protags are all the rage I think it'd be funny to bait and switch a romantasy into killing the femc off and turning it into a regular fantasy from the PoV of the true protagonist, her love interest.

>>24091386
meds

NOW

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>>24091388
Sun’s Shadow is a “shadow” of the Sunlake. There’s more to it than that but without sperging out, that lake is home to a group of underwater jews
The reaches are important! They’re all named that because they were all named by the same group of conquerers, the Half-World Nobles
>>24091405
My magic is animal based, I needed all the animals. This isn't exact, the globe is a bit larger than earth so it isn't a perfect representation, but it’s basically north America
The northwest is especially diverse in cultures as they’re city states who believe their cities are gods. Very isolationist. A lot of conflict up there

>>24091414
>normalfag babble
sasuga

>>24091278
Thanks yes this could be promising. Got any specific recommendations?

>>24091261
>Inshallah
Kek.

>>24091026
ebay

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>should I read Sanderson, /sffg/?
No.

>Write Kaladin
>classic hero journey
>etite him as the guy who witnesses first hand the futility and misery of singers and humans killing each other
>incorporate shit ton of moments that hints at him becoming the high king who will unite two races
>being around kings and queens
>being involved into political aspects naturally, have good chemistry with the ruling characters
>bickering with Jasnah - fun
>he picks up the spear the crown the throne line
>dalinar's request to inherit the throne
>healing aspect - I e. classic Healing Hands of the King yada yada with mental health therapy
>...
>make him all about therapy, kill, resurrect on some distant planet with the bunch of losers he never really interacted with
>make the readers wait for decade at least to find out if there is anything left in stock for Kaladin and if it's even going to be satisfying
I've read this series mostly for Kaladin and Dalinar and holy fuck this midpoint ending is unsatisfying as hell. Pretty much middle finger because who knows what happens with me or my interest or this faggot mormon in 10-15 years.
Fact is it's an ending for the character for as many years coming. And it's so fucking shallow and unsatisfying.
Fuck imagine Aragorn healing Eowyn because he can and then fucking off to Valinor leaving the rest to deal with Sauron instead of becoming the king and fighting with his men. Shit.

>>24091692
Kal is going to spend the next 80 years mentally fucking Shallan's mother

>>24091691
>page 1256
what the fuck. Not only is it trash writing but its thousands of pages of this shit? Book burning is a good thing please bring it back

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>>24091691
>>24091695
Image now with the worst part highlighted, strongly considering burning the book

>>24091695
>300 pages in
>plot hasn't even started
>its just character walking and talking about what they feel
>many books have the full story to tell in the same amount of pages

>>24091699
> 200 proof awfulness
lol wtf is this shit.

>>24091692
>incorporate shit ton of moments that hints at him becoming the high king who will unite two races
Don't worry, Renarin and Rlain will have this covered through the power of the gay love.

>>24091699
Has "Sunset found her squatting" and Kvothe's cuckery finally been surpassed?

where do i get the three-body problem?

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>>24091699
>But stand. Kaladin. DID.

>>24091699
>im his therapist
>you are what?
>have no idea
This was approved by an editor and alpha beta readers

>>24091723
How did Kaladin know what a menu was?

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It's like he wrote a script for a cinematic montage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnVw4xPq3oQ

>>24091714
Those passages are gross and cringey respectively, but neither are poorly written.

>>24091261
Why does bridgelands called bridgelands?

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>sanderson started seething so much about someone criticising his YA prose and marvelshit quips that he wrote 700 words defending himself

>>24091717
seems like you have 1 more problem than just a three body one

I'm looking for low stakes fantasy, better if episodic, but can't find anything interesting.
The main suggestion I get online is Legends& Lattes, which I'm not reading for sure.
I recently enjoyed Between two Fires, at least up to the final part, and I've read a bit of the witcher. I like and have read all of discworld already. What could I try next?

>>24091758
>remember that this is in translation by English from someone doing their best to evoke the TONE of what the characters are saying in their own language
This is your defense?

>>24091801
Gormenghast.

>>24091801
>low stakes fantasy
You can't go lower than Sanderson

>>24091801
Night's Master.

It's a series of loosely connected short stories. There aren't grand stakes, it is a little grim and gay at times but the tone is mostly pretty light; somewhat like Dying Earth.

So does anything interesting happen in I Shall Seal the Heavens or can I just imagine the rest of it after reading the first 34 chapters?

>>24091804
I did hear about that series, but is it actually fantasy? I don't think it has explicit fantasy elements, right?
>>24091807
Never read anything from him, and I don't plan to.

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>>24091405
Real life is more diverse than you think, even moreso in the past.

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>>24091834
>is it actually fantasy

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Fantasy Books with Minotaurs?

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>>24091854
and how culturally heterogenous are these ethnic groups?

>>24091869
They all have their own culture.

>Violette Reely walks into her great uncle’s abandoned cheese shop then promptly runs back out. You would too if you discovered a secret basement hiding beneath a trapdoor. One second, there’s nothing down there but cheese wheels in an old chest, the next four naked men are chasing her out the door.

>Refusing to give up the million-dollar property to her wild imagination, Violette returns the next day. Despite the place being ransacked, she’s certain she made up those mysterious men who vanished inside a locked store. Then, as the sun sets, cheeses lying on piles of discarded clothing roll across the floor until they poof into the four men from last night.

>Stoic and domineering, Roq’s the de facto leader keeping everyone in line. Everyone that is but Cam, the charming playboy whose smooth lines melt the hardest rinds. Cheddy is a tall hunk of joy, as easy to like as his namesake. And last, but never forgotten, is Brie. Soft-spoken, with an artistic soul, he’s the sweet wallflower waiting for the right person to scoop him up.

>These strange cheese-shifters need Violette’s help. They need someone to protect them when they’re trapped as cheese by day. But, after centuries of being screwed over by their caretakers, they’re wary. No one is slower to trust than Roq who expects betrayal at every corner. Even if Violette agrees to help them sell off their secret cheese stash and find a new place, he cuts her down at every turn keeping her at arm’s length. He’s hiding a secret that could destroy everything he’s fought for across the world.

>But Violette has one of her own. If these cheese-men ever find out, it’ll curdle her heart.

>Can the hardest of cheeses find it in himself to let his heart melt or will these cheese-shifters find themselves chewed up and spat out by life? Will Violette sell off the shop and make off with millions or risk the possibility of cheddar days for these cheesy men?

>>24091699
I have the hope people finally will realize Sanderson is literally writting the MCU (both in quality, humor and lenght) he was never an adult series writter, he was always kinda a YA novel one.

His works are closer to shonen manga than seinen manga.

That dialogue says it all

"No," Kaladin said. "I'm his therapist."
Isha blinked. "...What is that?"
"I honestly have no idea," Kaladin admitted.

That is literally MCU disney writting right there

>>24092321
>His works are closer to shonen manga
This was my impression of Sanderson when I attempted to read Mistborn ~10 years ago. Shounen that doesn't have a visual element to fall back on is dire.

>>24092321
Shonen has more chance to trigger an emotion in me than anything from Sanderson does

>>24091699
>writing directly on the book
Don't be a retard

>>24091699
What's wrong with 4th wall breaking meta humor?

>>24092352
Nothing inherently but it needs to be funny to work.

>>24091723
His beta readers are just superfans who don't want to lose the opportunity to read books early by calling him out for his hack writing

>>24091869
Enough to be violently racist against one another.

>>24092358
the entire industry is just a giant circlejerk

>>24092339
The first three stormlights had clear emotional high points resolving character arcs
Book 4 is half fantasy physics and half Kaladin sneaking around finding items like he's in a JRPG
Book 5, six major characters do nothing but watch flashbacks for most of the book, oathbreaking is used for drama THREE SEPARATE TIMES, Dalinar dies offscreen with nobody really caring and the supposed peaks of Kaladin's and Szeth's arcs are undermined by shit writing and Marvel quips

>>24092357
But it is funny. A quip that breaks the forth wall is so funny, like Deadpool speaks directly to the audience, but wolverine hasn't a clue.

>>24091754
Here you go>>24091294

>>24091396
I replied to the wrong post :( >>24091373

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I think Cheng Xin is a retard poorly written character. Everytime someone wants to do something logical she immediately back tracks and sets humanity back by hundreds of years.

>>24092364
Ah so they're basically exactly the same

>>24092419
Like yeah i get the main premise is
>Ching ching do notto be arugantu
Cheng Xin feels like a character that never gets any real development and comes off as a bpd woman.
>oh my god im so hecking sad
>ERM CHUD YOU NEED YOU NEED TO BE HECKING KIND AND LOVE HUMANITY

I also feel like Cixin just gave up half way through the book with all the time skips and the dual vector foil.
The dark forest is by far the better book.

I submit myself to public humiliation and ask: for any fans of the Forgotten Realms books, which is the best to read for someone interested in a male human vs female drow romance? I feel like that shit would be a gold mine but this is hard to look up. Drow-focused books seem fine too but not particularly likely to engender romance.

>>24092441
Don't.

>>24092434
He also just tears autistic people a new one at some point.
He mentioned some hyper autistic virgin side character who had some hardcore hard on for black holes and science. It was just a weird ass scene. And then the nightmare scene with Ding Yi was just plain weird. Really weird obsession with virgin.
But holy shit he really tore into autistic people.
>The guy never touched a woman and i dont think he ever would have he was the type of autistic person that could only exist in this time period. He was a loser. even at 50 years he had never had sex
or something like that
like, kek dude calm down.

>>24092448
and whoever translated the second book was by far a better choice than his brother. His brother just straight up left chinese characters in the third book

>>24089837
>new black company novel incoming
thanks for the heads up

>>24092511
Thank you for alerting me. Kino inbound, and now I get to finally read Port of Shadows

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>>24092511
>slut sisters narrating
>set after soldiers live

>>24091179
>reading while drunk
cringe
>writing while drunk
based

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>>24091732
I am perpetually shocked by Sanderson's authentic lack of self-awareness. This isn't something that can be trained, you have to be actually missing the part of your brain that allows you to detect cringe in order to write like this.

>>24092626
You can tell from how he acts and talks that he's got the 'tisms

>>24091758
This is a much better worded defense than I would've given him credit for, and I do actually see what he's saying. What I believe that Sanderson has missed is that people in prior ages DID talk significantly differently, not just in formality and choice of words but in cadance and tone, and completion of ideas--and this was because they didn't have television or radio, or if they did they were very young mediums which tended to produce long uninterrupted speech rather than chatty back and forth.

Sanderson's problem here is not so much that he's writing in an informal style, but rather that, to draw an analogy, his localizer keeps slipping memes into his translations from Alethi.

>>24092669
It's ironic because he's also a FromSoft fan and those games are not inclusive at all, does Sanderson want the next Soulsborne game to have an easy mode?

>>24092511
I fear it's going to be pozzed.

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>>24092669
He really said that "it says more if you don't have it than if you do," or something to that effect, which in modern publishing is absolutely true.

>>24091732
This reads like awful fanfiction.

>>24092770
it reads like filler.
Like he didnt want to explain the characters emotions but instead wanted them to act it out and visualize it

>>24092693
>have no interest in writing a gay romance
>What's wrong with YOU?

What next, are they gonna tell you you're doing a thought-crime for writing a small-scale story in an isolated region with only people of a single race if they're white?

I guess the most obvious cope is to write an asexual character as your LGBTQQIAAPP+ representation

>>24092693
>"it says more if you don't have it than if you do,"
Yeah, it says I don't write about homos because I'm not gay and have no interest in it. Sanderson has had his brain fried by the DEI freaks he works with.

>>24092693
>muh thought crimes
Sanderson is officially lower in my books than Rothfuss now

>>24091801
Thieves' World

>>24091732
Someone watched Judge Dread

Is there any cuckoldry in Cradle and The Curse of Chalion?

>>24092441
There's only one male human, female drow romance that I know of, and that's the series by Elaine Cunningham.

>>24092798
>>24092797
>>24092693
I mean just listen at how he responded to this question (8m time stamp if it doesn't work) he's a total lib

https://www.youtube.com/live/VEZ2jDTaOYM?t=480s

>you have to listen and learn

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>>24092867
what's liberal are being forced to include gay sex in your books?

>>24092873
Reword your question.

>>24092877
about*
I've been drinking

>>24092879
>>24092873
Yeah, that's the contradiction. It's illiberal to be told your work is worthless without "positive social messaging for <the current thing>" and comes from the same "silence is violence" camp. You should be able to write the story you want to write without anyone forcing an agenda in the background. But right now it sure sounds like "If you want to be published in the current year, you need a gay romance or a tranny in your book and if not we'll assume you're a bigot."

Thought-policing what people want to write is more for communist and fascist states.

>>24092845
>Cradle
No, they only have eyes for each other
>Curse of Chalion
No, but there's barely anything romantic in this book anyway

>>24092589
Wonder if they'll bring up how they were raped by half the company and basically mind broken into being Croakers and the Ladys adopted daughters.

Has anyone worked through that entire Tolkien legendarium chart? Is it worth it? How much would all those books even cost me
I've only read hobbit+lotr

>>24091855
I know, I've just read somewhere that, even though it is considered fantasy, it doesn't actually have fantasy elements.
>>24091831
Will check it out, thanks.
>>24092812
Never heard of it, is it any good?

I have a very specific fetish for the strong, independent, slightly prudish, female mc being forced to wear skimpy clothing and being embarrassed by the attention she gets for her hot body. Books with this trope?

>>24093132
try porn

>>24093141
Porn is gross

>>24093132
Code Geass?

>>24093156
Thanks, but I’m looking for books (I did enjoy the anime, though)

>>24091758
such a cope for nakedly terrible writing. you can write modern without it being marvel quip cringe. also i don't read fantasy to read about "therapy" and modern bullshit, i want to immerse myself in a different world and escape from the modern world.

>>24091758
What has Sanderson read? Is Orwell as literary as it gets for him

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Reckless child endangerment: the novel.
I love how one of the parents just goes "you're a full-grown man now, son, you can blow yourself up with home-made explosives if you want", because apparently the kid is mature enough just because he had the balls to ask.
From start to finish, the plot has a wanton disregard for how the real world works, except for what truly matters: Rocket physics. Exactly as science fiction should be.
Obviously, it's written for a young audience, and a lot of it reads like examples in a grade school physics book teaching kids how things like Newtonian mechanics, heat transfer, microgravity and radio waves work, but I suppose it could function as a sort of entry level crash course for people interested in getting into harder space-based SF. Orbital dynamics and Hohmann transfers are the one big topic that isn't really covered, though, since back in the forties writers still thought we'd go to the Moon with badass nuclear rockets that don't need to care about such pedestrian things. It's still the afterglow of America's victory over Japan in WW2, and the writing is largely concerned with the possibilities of harnessing the power of the atom for spaceflight, although there is also an undercurrent of anxiety about the dangers of an all-out nuclear war.
It's also written in an age when it still seemed possible to find almost anything in any random crater on the Moon, so some of the plot turns may seem a bit comical to a modern reader.
Even ignoring what we know about the Moon today, there's some silly stuff like how the random landing spot the protagonists chose just happens to be next door to the villains' base – I was a bit disappointed in Anson here, as there's really nothing in the plot that requires this to be the case. Or, the bad guys having a regular supply chain to the Moon using freaking nuclear rocketships (plural) that somehow goes unnoticed by everyone on Earth. And in the same breath Bobby goes into detail how they're so worried about detection that they don't even allow the moon base to have a sending antenna for calling home.
All in all, it's nowhere near Heinlein's best work, making me roll my eyes far more than most of what he's written and he's written some pretty weird stuff, but it's a fun read.

>>24093269
He's Mormon, so he's a student of Orson Scott Card, a curious name that is never mentioned in /sffg/ despite I know 70% of this thread has read Ender's Game and/or his true magnum opus: Speaker for the Dead

>>24093274
I like what you have to say, but aside from your comments, that cover art is kino

>>24091699
>>24091732
I see nothing wrong with this writing, Sanderson just uses short sentences and capitalisation to create tension and emphasis

>>24093442
I've read neither book. Not particularly inclined to, either.

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>>24093480
>I see nothing wrong with this writing
and this is how we got into the gutter state of literacy we are in now

>people writing long-ass reviews then liking my long 1* WaT review
cozy
god that book was a fucking letdown

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Just read Learning to be me by greg egan. I've read some Egan before but this is uncomfortable. I am not fond...I know it makes no sense but even then. The discarding and mass death of identity over scooping your brain out and letting the machine live, it is me. I know it is me still, in a way. But not subjectively.

>>24093592
But it's not. The jewel said it himself, he had no idea what it had been like, divergence is more than enough to be someone else. Just like in his other story about the black hole. No matter how short, the way conciousness works means that's someone else...Daphne...I wouldn't like to go through that. I would but, death is always so odd when phrased this way.

new reader must read sf list please

>>24093625
Brandon Sanderson

>>24093442
I read Ender's Game in high school and remember liking it
never tried any of the sequels

kek'd at a Goodreads wind and truth review -

Dune Chapter 1 in the style of Brandon Sanderson:


Paul Atreides was sweating.

What time was it? Ah, yes, it was a week… a week before … before … what exactly?

In one week we are leaving for Arrakis, he thought. They also call it Dune. But I was born on Caladan.

The room was hot. He held his Breath.

Wasn’t there supposed to be some old woman coming to visit mother today?

It was warm. He was at the Castle. Castle Caladan, it was called. It was a pile of Stone. Yet it was his home.

26 years now. No… 26 generations.

The old woman came in. She entered Paul’s room and looked at Paul. Paul was lying in his bed. She looked at him, thinking he was sleeping. She stood before his mother, looking like a witch, her hair looking like spiderwebs. Her eyes looked like jewels.

“He is so small, Jessica”, she said. “Are we sure he is fifteen? Maybe in dog years”, the old woman mused.

“What is a dog?”, Jessica asked.

“Nevermind”, the old woman said.

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>>24093625
Read Discworld!

>>24093644
>"i'd like to see your fart collection"

>>24093749
>What is a dog?
>Nevermind
this got me in particular

>>24093749
I'm dying, this is great. I started reading Dune recently.
>>24093770
Same.

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god this prose is embarrasing.
it's like he a wrote a placeholder outline for the scene and then accidentally left it as-is

>>24093625
new to reading in general or new to reading SFF or what

>>24091732
This moment is so immensely unearned it might be the most upsetting moment in the entire series for me. The context surrounding it is so fucking sad and boring it makes me want to give up on life

>>24093788
>>24091732
I've seen amateurs posting their stuff on /lit/ that is better written than this

>>24091758
>I have heard your opinions about my prose, and upon investigation, I have determined that your opinions are wrong

>>24091801
Furies of Calderon
There's kind of an overarching plot, but each book is about a different enemy and different conflicts

>>24093480
>Sanderson just uses short sentences and capitalisation to create tension and emphasis
So does GRRM but his prose doesn't read like a teenaged redditor. Word choice is important and Sanderson always uses the most juvenile language to express himself.

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>>24093749
>wat has a 4.59 on goodreads
given that goodreads users are probably more discerning than the median reader one can only wonder just how fucking thick the average sanderson reader is

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It's mormon slop but I like it.

Is there any good erotic romantasy for men?

>>24094009
a song of ice and fire

>>24094013
What about for people who don’t have a fetish for being castrated and seeing their wife gang-raped in front of them?

Sanderson is popular but not respectable. Tolkien is both popular and respectable. Who are some other writers like the latter?

>>24094017
Those people aren't interested in romantasy.

>>24094026
Gene Wolfe
Frank Herbert
Ursula K. Le Guin
Robert Jordan maybe?

>>24094026
George R R Martin

>>24094026
>dude tolkein
:O

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>>24094017
>And suddenly his cock was out, jutting upward from his breeches like a fat pink mast
Pure literature. Exemplary.

>>24093803
for sure, but worth keeping in mind that the first is a self-published debut novel from a nobody, the second is from the richest and most successful SFF author of the modern age on book 5 of his magnum opus
Sanderslop is no joke

>>24094026
CS Lewis
Lovecraft
Robert E Howard

>>24094080
>CS Lewis
Only among Christcucks
>Lovecraft
Kinda, I guess
>Robert E Howard
lol no, even Stephen King called Howard a hack

>>24094099
the fuck kind of trolling is this

>>24093792
the genre

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>>24093788
>>24093803
>>24094046
what's so bad about this? I would remove the "roll it into a tiny ball part" and "but he let go" but the rest seems okay to me.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR9sq_lPH_4
>now he's raping Robert Jordan's corpse

>>24094009
Literally check out literotica's SF section. If you get past the femoid schlick crap where King Chad the werewolf vampire dominates and subjugates Mary Sue, there's some good stuff there.
I assume you're not into Snekguy (where the big werecat dominates and subjugates Marty Stu); lately I've been reading "AbbeFaria"'s "Onyx Throne", here -
https://www.literotica.com/series/se/494002569
Nobody's fucking yet, it's just a good action-packed fantasy with two potential waifus for our MC.
Also good (if more femme dominant) is coax_me's "Roderick and Gorlana".
https://www.literotica.com/series/se/444997217

>>24093644
Speaker for the Dead is good. Arguably better than Ender's Game, which should have stayed a novella.

>>24094159
>Robert Jordan's
how was sanderson picked to finish WoT anyway?

>>24094159
anon, he's been doing that for 16 years now

>>24091403
>Well you can also write progression!
LOL.
I suppose what Nicholas Gaumer did was to use LitRPG elements in his "Prison Ship Sheol", by every now and again listing the ship statistics.
I don't know if Gaumer ever mooted his shit in RR though, I think he just wrote porn and advertised to the SexySpaceBabes forum at R3dd!+.

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This book predicted the LA fires, hopefully we get arcology-kino out of the deal too

>>24094160
Any stories where the female mcs are forced to wear skimpy clothing and get leered at?

>>24094157
The dialogue should be rewritten to be less boring and less like 21st century redditors discussing their trauma

>>24094157
I don't think "Yeah, I'm good" belongs in a fantasy setting. No, I didn't like Brandon Sanderson's "Medieval people use idioms too, I'm just translating their idioms into ours!" excuse

>>24094208
Everyone predicted the LA fires because everyone knew it was a matter of time. The state I live in is retarded, they did no easy move to prevent it from happening.

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>>24091261
You've really gotta rewrite your description anon, it gives very little to go on or hook people. Half of it is just mentioning Proper Nouns that prospective readers have no context for.

>>24091407
roryalroad userbase is majority male, a romantasy won't gain much traction there. for that you need to advertise on tiktok

>>24094250
>I don't think "Yeah, I'm good" belongs in a fantasy setting
I think it is a bit too casual but do you really think there's a big difference between this and Yea, I am well or Aye, I am well. Books were always written in the vernacular. Victorian english and psuedo-victorian english just sounds fancy to you. No one is writing fantasy novels in actual medieval (old and middle) english.

>>24094292
>No one is writing fantasy novels in actual medieval (old and middle) english.
Not that anon but I'd buy them if they were good.

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>>24094157
too many words, some of the reveals are done out of order, and the subtext is spelled out like 5 different ways

>>24094292
The whole point of a fantasy setting is that it's different from the real world. It's not about being "fancy", it's about being distinct from everyday life. A different world may as well have a different vernacular from us, and if that world is an archaic society then its vernacular might as well suggest the archaic. When you make your fantasy setting too much like the real world, you end up with slop like Legends and Lattes, ie a "fantasy" that isn't worth fantasizing about.

>>24094292
Dialogue is important for setting, tone and character. If your dialogue is banal, so are the characters.
>Books were always written in the vernacular. Victorian english and psuedo-victorian english just sounds fancy to you. No one is writing fantasy novels in actual medieval (old and middle) english.
It's stylization, a way to give your characters and the worldbuilding more flavor. In a fantastical setting characters should have their own unique words, songs, slang, turns of phrase etc

>>24094323
>The whole point of a fantasy setting is that it's different from the real world. It's not about being "fancy", it's about being distinct from everyday life
That's the thing though. The way old fantasy books were written was how people back then talked so it was never something distinct

>>24094321
that's better the original.

>>24094292
Something like "GRRMisms" can be silly at times, but they still make the world feel foreign and distinct. But it also keeps the story timeless. MCU Dialogue like "So yeah, that just happened." dates a work that is intended to be timeless. Why do you think so many people got upset about one of the disney Star Wars movies opening with a Your Mom joke?

>>24094345
>Why do you think so many people got upset about one of the disney Star Wars movies opening with a Your Mom joke?
Wait, did they really?

>>24094321
Write the robert jordan version

>>24094337
That's wrong though. Nobody ever said "passing wroth" in Tolkien's day. And if you compare the dialogue between Robert E. Howard's fantasy stories and his modern day stories, they are definitely distinct. There's no 1920s slang in the Conan stories.

>>24094346
yeah episode 8

>>24094337
>The way old fantasy books were written was how people back then talked so it was never something distinct
What do you mean by "old" exactly?. Writers like Lovecraft, CAS and Howard intentionally used archaism as a stylization technique to make their work more unique

>>24094345
>So yeah, that just happened
That's a quip. That's different from casual conversation. Honestly though, I agree with you in that I also like those types of novels better but at the same time I think it may not be a fair criticism for novels with more casual dialogue

>>24094352
>>24094360
Is it really archaism if goes back to victorian england?

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related to the topic, do you think it has more to do with the use of germanic vs latinate words that makes fantasy "fantasy"?

>>24094383
germanic chads rule

>>24094367
Yes, obviously. People don't talk like that anymore. Also, speech patterns were more stratified by class in Victorian England than they were in the modern world. If a Victorian dime novel author chose to write a character's dialogue like the speech of an idle class gentleman as opposed to that of his working class audience, that would make the dialogue feel distinct from everyday life even in his own day.

>>24094367
Those writers were American so Victorian England isn't particularly relevant

>>24094391
>People don't talk like that anymore
And people wont talk like they do now in the future.
>>24094395
Victorian novels like King Solomon's mines were the most popular novels out there and highly influencial

>>24093442
i read all the ender books in high school but i barely remember most of the non main ones
except there was something about his brother & sister (?) becoming world famous philosophers by torturing skinned squirrels in the woods

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>>24091801
picrel is the lowest stakes i've ever read
not sure i'd recommend it though

>>24094410
Who cares? Again, to take the example of 1920s slang in Conan, imagine the princess telling Conan he's "really swell". That wouldn't feel fantastical, that would feel corny and dated. A part of why the speech from the second half of the 19th century is used in fantasy is because there was that separate strain of "high class" speech without much slang, and slang is a major part of how speech can be determined to have come from a specific decade. There is a reason why Bilbo never calls Gandalf a "cool papa" despite being from the 50s. There is a reason why Elric never utters the word "groovy" despite being from the 70s. If people in the 2050s are still reading Sanderson, they'll see the obvious 2020-isms and be pulled out of the story to smirk derisively at how goofy it sounds.

>>24091863
morning glory milking farm.
you're welcome :)

>>24092845
>Cradle
yes, mc-kun cucks his girlfriend's evil clone so hard she decides to stop existing and fusion dance with the original

>>24094410
Can't wait until someone puts in rizz or for reals? In a conversation

>>24093763
>this long ass fucking chart
what the fuck
just read them in release order

>>24091801
The Curse of Chalion
The Penric and Desdemona novellas (set in the same world but in the distant past) are really what you want for low stakes+episodic but Chalion's both a good intro to the setting and absolutely fantastic so you should start there anyway.

>>24094440
>If people in the 2050s are still reading Sanderson, they'll see the obvious 2020-isms and be pulled out of the story to smirk derisively at how goofy it sounds.
People are already doing it now kek

>>24094160
>Note from the Author: The Onyx Throne is a slow-burn isekai haremlit fantasy novel
i'm so tired
every "romance" book for men is just litrpg/isekai harem slop

>>24094250
Actual folklore was told and retold almost entirely in the vernacular.
Unless you're specifically going for a mythological feeling like JRR was I don't see any issue with using informal or contemporary phrases.

the main stormlight subreddit would never have tolerated these posts pre WaT
>For me the story isn't even what's causing interest to fade, it's how it's conveyed. The story was actually overall quite good. No complaints about it at all. Bad prose and dialog are things that just get more noticeable when rereading and those are what made the book less enjoyable.
>As others have said Brandon's prose has never been the point of his books. The issue now is that it's gone from a neutral feature to an outright negative. Now it actually negatively impacts the enjoyment of the plot by breaking the reader's immersion.

>>24094462
Men generally have really boring tastes in eroticism and only care about getting off.
Even in long term ERP it's a giant fucking pain to try and wrangle them into writing anything more complex and interesting. Funny because real women are identifiable because they do the opposite, they're obsessed with story depth to the point where you start asking 'okay but who else would want to explore this ultra-specific scenario with you?
In fantasy terms it's like how BDSM is handled in Sword of Truth vs Kushiel's Dart

>>24094473
Honestly don't think he's gotten much worse.
This is just something most readers notice about Sanderson 3 books in. The diehards have just read so much that it's impossible to ignore when the action doesn't pop.

>>24094470
We're not discussing folklore, we're discussing epic fantasy. If you're creating unique worlds with unique cultures that should be reflected in the way they speak.

>>24093009
Peak

>>24094481
I feel like there's been a definite decline in his writing since the original Mistborn trilogy and The Way of Kings. There were tight books with acceptable prose.

>>24094483
>We're not discussing folklore, we're discussing epic fantasy
Fantasy is fantasy. Epic fantasy is for the most part a meaningless description. The characteristics people spout are the same ones used in other genres including folklore

>>24094516
>Fantasy is fantasy. Epic fantasy is for the most part a meaningless description.
No, you're just being a dumb fag and ignoring context

>>24094522
Your arbitrary taste for victorian era english isnt universal.

There is a good 500 page book somewhere within Wind and Truth's 1300 pages

>>24094526
1) I don't prefer Victorian era English
2) Very few fantasy books have dialogue written in the way Victorians spoke
3) Sanderson has received enough critcism about his dialogue that he's publicly responded to it, so I'm not the only one who feels this way
4) You're a retard who can't argue honestly and is resorting to strawmen

>>24091758
It really doesn't matter how you justify it. If your writing feels out of place because of course contemporary locutions would, in a fantasy setting, then it's bad writing. That being said I don't remembr good old sandy being so bad on that front, but then the real offenders I recall are two bits barely writers from royal road or webnovels in general.

>>24094481
>3 books in

Maybe if you haven't read anything before, or in a while. I read Dunk and Egg and then jumped from that to reading The Emperor's Soul. It was pretty jarring. I overall liked it, 7/10. The ending was strong but even that got a little meta about the protagonist holding back making a marvel quip at the end of the story. If people get into fantasy through Sanderson and then are coming back for Book 5 then it makes sense they'll notice it more. I'm reading him because I'm joining in with some normie friends. The ones that read Mistborn say it's weaker than WoK, and part of me is interested in the Lord Ruler, the past and present of the setting, and Kelsier but otherwise I want to dnf and jump straight to WoK.

>>24091801
>low stakes fantasy
What's low stakes fantasy mean?

>>24094587
He means books where the fate of the world isn't at stake, like Conan the Barbarian.

>"You fathom these Mechanicus trappings absent my possession... Graciously, I shall grant temporary reprieve. Should vexations arise once more, I consign you forewarn. Must I return, pray grasp that discourse shall not be so lenient as this."
>...
>"Out of deference to our conjunct bond, I bequeath you edification to those within your dominion. Whispers will expire at this chamber's bulwark. But I tarry; duty evokes us both."
Where are the books where nobles speak like this?

>>24094555
>I don't prefer Victorian era English
>Very few fantasy books have dialogue written in the way Victorians spoke
You do. The archaic shit you're referring to is either victorian english or pseudo victorian english imitations by people who grew up reading victorian era works. None of it is older than that
>Sanderson
No one even mentioned sanderson. And on that subject sanderson'a preference for quips and tv/movie dialogue is a stylistic choice and not the same thing as writing in the vernacular
>You're a retard who can't argue honestly and is resorting to strawmen
You're the one who is saying your preference for archaic language is an unviolable rule for writing fantasy which is laughable as there are no set rules. And I brought up victorian england because that's the origin.

any heartwarming medieval fantasies?

>>24094590
Thank you!

>>24094595
Someone brought out their thesaurus here

>>24094590
>where the fate of the world isn't at stake, like Conan the Barbarian
Anon...

>>24094457
They look quite interesting, thanks.
>>24094428
I did stumble upon this title a while ago and it exactly seems like what I'm looking for, but I didn't read good reviews. It doesn't look as unreadable as Legends&Lattes, at least, but I read the writing is amateurish and the characters are not likeable not well-written. So you wouldn't recommend it either, would you?
A similar one I've read is A Natural history on dragons which, despite not being a masterpiece by any means, especially the first book, turned out to be a comfy read.
>>24093823
Will check this out too.

>>24094266
Thanks, I’ll try and figure out a better one

>>24093830
Any examples of good prose from grmm?

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>>24094623
His prose is acceptable. Not good or bad. If you want to know why grmm dresses like a riverboat captain read Fevre Dream.
>York's eyes were gray, startling dark in such a pale face. His pupils were pinpoints, burning black, and they reached right into Marsh and weighed the soul inside him. The gray around them seemed alive, moving, like fog on the river on a dark night, when the banks vanish and the lights vanish and there is nothing in the world but your boat and the river and the fog. In those mists, Abner Marsh saw things; visions swift-glimpsed and then gone. There was a cool intelligence peering out of those mists. But there was a beast as well, dark and frightening, chained and angry, raging at the fog. Laughter and loneliness and cruel passion; York had all of those in his eyes.

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>>24091801
>better if episodic
Five short stories, albeit in sequential chronological order, that make up a strong solid 4+ hour novel. It involves a guy hunting a barbarian tribe's wyrd woman, to prevent future war, but the narrative is focused wholly on the main character and his direct interactions with those immediately around him.

>>24094609
>So you wouldn't recommend it either, would you?
I never finished it. It's mostly about the characters' relationships and interactions with each other but I didn't find them super compelling. They spend most of the book basically being bad roomates, super guarded and distant with each other, from different countries and religions etc. It's supposed to be about them slowly softening up and becoming close friends over the course of their multi-year assignment as healers in a traveling caravan.

It didn't strike me as particularly amateurish or whatever but I was just bored. I got partway into part 3 (out of 3) but eventually just DNFed it.

>>24091177
>It is pretty easy to write.
It is not easy to write well. Let's see your OC.

>>24094383
No. "I'm down bad" and "I'm love stricken" are both entirely germanic

>>24094597
Curse of Chalion.

>>24094168
He was friends with Jordan's wife.

You know how that Kant anon is going esoteric now?
I'm going esoteric too but not for Kant.
Can someone name some fantasy and Science fiction Authors that you can do/are worthy of doing esoteric reads of?

(I would go to the reading charts but there isnt really an 'esoteric reading' chart)

>>24094886
Severian's Bogus Journey, but it's written to be esoteric on purpose so it's tiring to read. The Second Apocalypse is easier to read.

So the point of the Second Apocalypse is that Islam is basically true? Am I seeing that correctly?

>>24094913
Going into detail about which (if any) religion is real would ruin some of the fun. A better description would be "what if ubermensch Sherlock Holmes discovered hell is real."

>>24093480
>I see nothing wrong with this writing,
t. redditor

>>24095003
redditors hate wind and truth too

>>24091152
a lot of red flags here

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>>24091801
Penric & Desdemona series by Lois McMaster Bujold is pretty low-stakes. Some are a little bit more intense than others, but the one I just read, Penric's Fox, was essentially a whodunnit sort of mystery in a country manor. They're short and pretty comfy. Not high literature by any means and I vastly prefer the parent series, the World of Five Gods (which I recommend you read beforehand), but they fit your brief.

>>24095061
>>24091801
>>24094457
shit, didn't see that you'd already recommended. definitely fits the bill.

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>>24094886
depends on your definition of "esoteric" but PKD's VALIS is pretty out there and I would say fits the bill

>>24091152
Is poppy war any good?

>>24095222
Is anything?

>>24095222
no

Poppy War is one of the most asked here, as expected of its popularity. Really even more than it ought to be relative to others of similar popularity. It's difficult to tell whether it's the same on posting over time to make it seem like many are asking.

>>24095291
Another "popular" thing I've never heard of.

>>24091294
sounds cool desu

>>24095291
>as expected of its popularity
No shit. Normalfags pollute this general and they only touch popular garbage like Poppy War.
>>24095293
Used to be spammed by one of the chartposters too.
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search&ghost=false&search_text=%22poppy+war%22

>>24095293
It's your first time here then.

How is Reverend Insanity by Scott R. Bakker?

>>24095319
Hey, that's not its author!

>>24093798
Explain

The Name of the Wind and Truth by Brandon Rothfuss seems controversial here.

>>24095331
WaT was originally going to be called Stones Unhallowed. But that was too similar to Doors of Stone(?) which is what Rothfuss wanted to name his third book. So Blandon changed it to babbys first fantasy title.

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>>24091152
I had never read any Sci-FI, and the only Fantasy I'd read was Tolkien. I never really saw the point (for me) in genre fiction but then I played Space Marine 2 and started building and painting a Black Templar army, picked up Horus Rising and read it in two days, couldn't put it down. Having only read Non-Fiction for 2+ years it was just so addictive. I'm now about to finish Fulgrim and it's only been 2 months, this shit is great, even if it is slop-esque

>>24091179
Reading drunk is awful.
Reading stoned can be somewhat enjoyable.
Reading on Opiates is incredible.
Reading on Stimulants feels fun for a few minutes before you get bored.

Overall I would pick opiates or sober but since I've been on Methadone I am achieving both simulatenously

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RIP Barry Malzberg. Please pay your respects.

Wheel of Thrones - George Jordan
The Lies of the Ring - Reuel Lynch
Theft of Dragonbone - Michael Williams
Hatred Rhythm - Joe Sanderson
The Traitor Ascends - Seth Bancroft

>>24095365
>some zog
I think it's funny that Silverberg, another (((one))), has a book with a highly explicit detailed description of a female infant's genitalia.

>>24095368
I'm definitely picking up Theft of Dragobone

>>24095339
Horus Heresy is, if nothing else, really readable. Just don't think you need to read all of it as there is no sole linear narrative.

>>24095374
This is not about Silverberg. This is about Malzberg and my signed copy of The Men Inside going up in value.

>>24094026
Poul Anderson

>>24095478
>This is about my profit off a longnose
Hell yeah brother.

>>24095291
Everyone, even Reddit, hates poppy war. Chang or whoever is a bugwoman and is completely incapable of original thought.
Everything she writes is practically stolen from an actual historical event.
Her bias is so obvious and her messaging so blatent and hamfisted that I've seen Redditors say that 'colonialism wasn't that bad'

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Would you?
This is a woman in her fifties, and one of the best trained physical fighters in her realm.

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>>24091801
Most of Walter Moers' Zamonia novels could be considered (relatively) low stakes. 13½ Lives Of Captain Bluebear, City Of Dreaming Books and maybe Alchemasters Apprentice too. Rumo less so.
And while Labyrinth of Dreaming Books (the sequel to City) is perhaps the most low stakes of them all, this is only the case because it's largely a setup to the unreleased Castle of Dreaming Books and from what I remember it doesn't have all that much plot to itself (which critics really weren't happy about when it released). Meanwhile the Castle has been longer in the making than GRRM's Winds Of Winter and there isn't even a projected release date anymore.
But don't let that discourage you from reading the ones mentioned initially. They're really good, and i believe there's quite the overlap between fans of Pratchett and fans of Moers.

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>>24095291
>Poppy War
it's one of these novels I've heard everyone rave about for absolutely no reason other than it being "asian fantasy". maybe they just want to fuck the author.

>>24094692
Is that a Mythic Legions figure?

>>24091277
What I just get 2k followers for being the inconsistent lazy bastard that I am? (Of course I know the fucking solution is to actually get my ass locked in)

>>24093480
>I see nothing wrong with this writing
Should've gone to specsavers.

>>24094886
Past Master and Fourth Mansion by R A Lafferty

>>24095620
it's not white and its female so cucks and women suck it off for that alone

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>>24095626
I don't know what that is. I am just now realizing that the cover of the physical copies of the author's books seem to have a 3D rendered model while the e-book covers have a drawn illustration.

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Which will come out first? Are they even writing anymore?

>>24095954
Rothfuss couldn't even publish the single chapter for the charity that he promised, he is 100% not writing anything. George has put out sample chapters and is actively involved in many projects so at least he is working, but Rothfuss is just sitting on his fat ass and scamming people.

>>24095954
Go ask your favorite subreddit, nigger.

>>24095976
I would need a Reddit account, maybe I can use your moms?

>i love grrm/rothfuss!!!
>your mom!!!!!!
lmao

>>24095954
The saddest thing to me is that I don't know if Rothfuss can actually write the book anymore. The romance subplot of the 1st 2 books was a major component but Pat had a divorce which I'm guessing probably changed his views on romance lol.

>>24096031
Listening to his streams he just comes off as a complete basket case. I wouldn’t be surprised if he thinks he is going to write it and has himself just as fooled as anyone else

>>24095954
Theyll both die before they publish another book.

>>24092615
/beg/ here, mild inebriation is a drawing-enhancer too.

>>24095620
>maybe they just want to fuck the author.

I recently realized I'm older than her. And yeah, while I don't want to read her shit, I do want to fuck her BPDemon ass while she accuses me of pro-colonial wrongthink.

started reading blindsight
what do i think of it so far

>Parts of Roshar that didn't side with Odium get to enjoy natural light
Thaylenbros, why did our council sell us out to eternal darkness?

>>24095339
Graham McNeill wrote some 40k. You could read Priests of Mars, Lords of Mars, Gods of Mars. I think he also wrote at least one in the Horus Heresy.

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I read Murder at Spindle Manor (Lamplight Murder Mysteries #1). I wouldn't recommend it.

The assistant character yaps like a chihuahua and I kept rooting for her to become a victim, the protagonist's personality, way of talking and relation to the other characters changes by the scene, and the mystery is utterly toothless and unfantastical in the end. Surprisingly little LGBTQIA+ representation for a Goodreads-approved book but I suppose that might've been left for sequels that I won't bother to read.

Any coomer fantasy/sci fi recs?

>>24096424
depends on what you're into

>>24096424
Gigglinggoblin

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>>24092649
>his localizer keeps slipping memes into his translations from Alethi.
He can't keep getting away with it

>>24096459
>image
I don't like that I get this reference...

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>>24096459
heh

>>24096496
>40 GB+ for 12-24 episodes.

>>24096428
Strong, independent female mc’s getting into scenarios where they’re either forced to wear skimpy clothing by bad guys or use it as a disguise to get into the bad guys lair. Also white women having to dress up in tribal/primitive outfits, etc

Don’t need or necessarily care about sex scenes

>>24096459
That's a really outdated version that's missing a lot. Anyway, he's been working for Fakku for about 8 years or so I think. I used to talk to him a long time ago.

>>24096553
It's much larger than that if it's the untouched Blu-ray. The codecs are much better now.

>>24095436
Oh I'm going to be reading it ALL
the ones that are too expensive I will read on Kindle

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>>24096578
>i watched star wars as a kid and slave leia did something to my peepee

where to buy preowned books other than ebay?

>>24095587
who?

>>24097283
Library book sales. Best place for deals and to get a lot of shit for basically nothing.