New Black Company book out this November edition>Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archivehttps://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreadshttps://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffgPrevious >> 24091152>question of the threadDo you like when stories describe the fantasy food in depth? Describe a /sffg/ dish you would prepare
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I fucked everything up because I am drunk before noon.
I read the first Black Company book recently. There were very few major female characters in it. Looking at this new cover, the series must've gone to shit.
>>24098656Haha buddy, yeah
>>24098656The two blonde women joined up with the Black Company after getting raped by pretty much all of them aside from Croaker
>>24098571>BLACK COMPANY>two roasties on the coverlol
>>24098714See >>24098681
>>24098723That makes no sense, it's retarded.
>>24098773It was a different time. And they were trapped in some alternate dimension so they didn't really have a choice
Manda Scott has some very light LGBTQ themes in the Boudica series that I thought were actually done well. I looked her up and she is a remarkable anthropological scholar. She comes across as a lezzie, but she keeps referring to her spouse as a "partner" And I'm thinking, why refer to them as a "partner" if you're obviously a gay? People use "partner" if they're in the closet. Then I did more research. and it turns out she actually has a HUSBAND and she's trying to hide his gender lul.
>>24098571is that a fucking three-eyed cat? you're telling me port of shadows wasn't just a pipe dream ignored by the rest of the series?
>>24098571 Took me a while to notice that this is the sci-fi and fantasy general. Thanks drunk anon.
>>24098656Just stop after the first book.
>>24099205Are you retarded? Books of the South was where they peaked
>>24099213*tips fedora*
any other good fantasy that depicts the collision of Christianity and Paganism and the eventual destruction of the latter?
>>24099220Lyonesse trilogy.
>>24099154How coom is this?
>>24099205I thought its consensus you need to slog through the first black company novel to get to the juice
>>24099220It’s historical fiction not fantasy, but The Long Ships by Frans Bengtsson is a great classic with good prose as well.
>>24098571>New Black Companyayo wtf, that is unexpected...Fatman could learn from Cook who is even older.Also, Soulcatcher a waifu, is she in the book.
>>24099358>Also, Soulcatcher a waifu, is she in the book.Did you finish Soldiers Live? This continues after.
>>24099274not at all. black company isn't that kind of series.
>>24099213Not really, North was the peak, although South books had their moments.
>>24099332The series isnt worth your time.
>>24099381Before I take your opinion seriously, what’s your religion?
>>24099383Orthodox christian.
>>24099395Thanks.
>>24099368>Did you finish Soldiers Live? This continues after.Tbh, I only skimmed last books, I didn't like where they were going.
>>24099352>>24099220Historical fiction that also deals with this somewhat is Gene Wolfe's The Devil in a Forest
The books of the south were always better you autistic retards
>>24099371She's a cutie, anon.
>>24099478It's filled with browns and old Company replaced with new characters I don't care about. Ten Who Were Taken kino > Shadowlands and designated street lands snoozfest.
I read the first novel in Chronicles and thought it was shit. Looks like it doesn't get any better.
>>24099411thats good book. it was inspired by the song good king wenceslas and i rock with that song
>>24098182I too want to read books about necromancers!
Any authors, who designed and developed their works as a mythology for our real world?Like Tolkien, who described the Middle-Earth stories as a mythology for Britain. Or Howard with his Hyborian Age, allusions to Atlantis, etc.Or Lovecraft with his ancient pre-human civilizations and New England's mythos.
>>24098571WTF is a pitiless rain?
>start out promising>build up the Apocalypse for thousand chapters>said Apocalypse wraps up in only ~20 chapters>major characters do literally nothing in said apocalypse>ends with just with a temporary truce, the apocalypse will still happen some time later>the novel ends tomorrow>no third book plannedChinkbros... I don't feel so good...
>>24099583for some reason that was more of an older thing during those times that modernity has moved away from. Now every faggot thinks they should make a super original do not steal fantasy world, even though it's derivative of those older stories.
>>24099583The reverse of this phenomenon is the Dying Earth genre.
>>24099624Is the mc still a woman or did he transition back?
Why do you guys hate RotE?
>>24098949She's British and partner is commonly used by straight couples in English speaking countries outside of America. Way back in 07 I distinctly remember being shocked that Americans avoided the term due to it being associated with gays.
Is this the new /sffg/?
>>24099501And…. Wah-lah! >>24091261
Glen Cook is still alive and writing…Garrett P.I.cels… are we back?
>>24099792>Wah-lah
>>24099691yeah and it was lame, he advanced to seq 1 without doing any ritual at all
>>24098840what's the backstory to an alternate dimension leading to getting gangbanged by a group of soldiers?sounds like a scrapped Star Trek episode
How's the new Sanderson book? is it worth reading?
>>24099220Tad Williams' Memory, Sorrow and Thorn has Prester John show up in a fantasy world, take over as king, and then drive all the fantastical elements to path of extinction as part of the backstoryit's funny to have characters named Simon, Rachel, John, Rebekah, etc. alongside the likes of Isgrimnur, Khendraja'aro, Binabik, etc. because everyone in John's employ takes on a Biblical name
>>24099583the most popular besides Tolkien is probably >>24099227 which posits a fictitious island west of Britain and that all of our mythologies and legends from that time are actual events from the that kingdom or are misunderstood rumors spread by the people who interacted with them
>>24100065>sounds like a scrapped Star Trek episodeIf only Star Trek books were so interesting.
>>24099774cause I didn't need to read liveship traders just for the character to have a darker life than fitz?
I'm going to buy and read Prince of Nothing and you can't do anything about it
>>24098182>>24099501https://amazon.com/dp/B0DJBQBXW8
>>24098571Only Books of the North are canon, sorry
>>24100233Isn't kindle drm pretty much impossible to remove?
Anybody read Threshold yet? How was it?
>>24100254No, it's a very easy and straighforward process.
i am a new reader/new sf reader and I read hyperion. Pretty cool
>>24100294It was good. Just a couple of side stories, and a bit of Lindon dabbing on Abidan.
>>24100254If you bought it, yes. If you mean from Kindle Unlimited, then it's not as easy because the DRM remover is coded to check if you've bought it.
>>24100368i'm jealous of nü-john keats clapping brawne lamia's butt cheeks
>>24099501
>>24100199I only just finished reading the farseer trilogy and I can't think of any character in fantasy who's suffered more than Fitz. Do you mean to say that the next protagonist suffers more, and that felt too edgy for you? No spoilers please.
>>24100498all I'll say is the sadness doesn't stop in liveship traders
>>24100413if covers were warning signs they would look like those>lesbian necromancers>approved by ve schwabyup
>>24098681fan art of those two is certainly something
>>24100527You should stop reading books by women.
>>24098656I really, REALLY don't like the state of the Company after Soldiers Live.Croaker is goneLady is basically the only remnant of the "old" guard, and even she was an additionTobo is the new hot shittwo sisters have taken over as annalistsCompany headed by a jeet who's taking it to Hsien
>>24100575just read something else instead, it was obvious from the first two books that it was heading towards reddit-tier crap.
I want to read about a personal struggle in a utopian setting
>>24100623The Demolished Man
Just finished pic related.I will say the first half of the book was very hard, I had no idea wtf I was reading. I did wrap up nice in the second half.Question. Where the fuck did they introduce the multiple personality chick? Was there a backstory to her getting a split personality? I must have glazed over that part.That threw me off. Fuck me. For some reason every time I read 'the gang' I thought it was referring to all the crew on the ship. I am an idiot. I enjoyed the whole 'you can live as a zombie your whole life without even knowing it' theme.Question. How does the vampires make sense? So the humans only brought back vampires to interface with supercomputers so that people dont feel bad taking orders from computers? That was the big reveal at the end? Or am I missing something else with the vampires.fucking weird but cool in the end. I will rate it4.2/5
>>24100642follow up. did I miss something with the fireflies in the end? Or was it just a information probes sent by die aliens?
>>24099352>The Long Ships by Frans BengtssonHell yeah. Highly recommend
OH NO NO NO NO NO
>>24100719It's so fucking over
>>24100719just post the linkhttps://old.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/1hh5la5/has_stormlight_archive_always_been_like_this_cant/
>>24100719>>24100724like people have said before it's what happens when authors get too big to have an editor. they end up misjudging their strengths and leaning into the bad aspects.
>>24100719For every new Sanderson book there seem to be more people turning against him.But a lot depends on how many new readers he's getting (he still isn't as widely known as Rowling or GRRM so there might still be room for him to grow), it might be a net positive for him anyway.
>>24100555AWOOOGA
>>24100719>>24100745Anons on this general are more obsessed with Sanderson than reddit.
>>24100555I'm now going to read your book.
>>24100719>24 days ago
Book of the New Sun went to shit as soon as Severian left the torturer's guild.
>>24100909I found the whole plant-duel saga a massive slog but other than that I enjoyed it.
>>24100923Claw of the Conciliator is not much better...the beginning was mostly boring, the part with the cave was pretty damn cool actually; I stopped at the part where Severian is a guest of Vodalus and they're about to imbibe some kind of drug, which is made of dead people I think? Actually now I feel more compelled to pick it back up.
>>24100834Don't, knowing nu company it probably means they were jeeted. Basically yeah, read the first book and maybe Shadows Linger and the The White Rose.
>>24100931It picks up right after that with the Autarch's mansion, lots of great stuff in there.
>>24100939K cool. Thinking of reading Legend by David Gemmell right after. I'm not typically a fantasy reader by the way, but someone in another thread said it has "big, swinging balls" and that convinced me.
>>24100948>David Gemmellsadly an overlooked author for no real reason
>>24099220reading this made me understand that all elves should indeed fucking hang
Starting this
>>24099825Browse /ck/ more often
>>24101339>roastie on the cover + some zoophiliaAre there any fantasy books released in the last 100 years that do not have any of this nonsense?
Shadow Games and Dreams of Steel are the best. Silver spike was also great and thus Books of the South is the best collection
>>24101354Oh, shadows linger is also the best book of the North
>>24101350>getting mad at statues
>>24101357>mfw Shed
>>24100642A pharmaceutical company brought the vampires back by accident while experimenting with gene editing. They then bred large batches of them in order to use them as slave labor in their labs, because the vampires are crazy good at math and other STEM work. Watts has a funny YouTube video where he pretends to be a rep of this fake company and gives a TED talk about their vampires. Sarasti specifically volunteered for the mission and presumably did a lot to prove he wouldn't go feral and eat his crew. The sequel briefly talks about how Sarasti's presence on the mission was mostly him pushing to be there on his own initiative, not something the powers that be had thought of as a first resort.
>>24100642You might also want to read Echopraxia while you're at it. That shit makes Blindsight look like a straightforward story.
>>24100642The girl having multiple personalities wasn't hidden or anything. Just glance over her on the wiki to refresh.>>24101373Was Sarasti ever himself on the ship or was he immediately 'assimilated'/'possessed'/whatever the fuck we want to call it, by the Captain ship AI?
>>24101373>>24101380cool thanks.Yeh I have the firefall omnibus, so I started with chapter 1 of echopraxia already.>>24101485Ah thanks. will have a look I assumed with the context of the last few pages at the end of the book that the vampire just worked with the Captain?quote: But it wasn't Sarasti at all, of course. It was the Captain—whatever was left of the Captain, this far into the fight—commandeering a peripheral interface for its own use. The optical port sprouted conspicuously from the back of Sarasti's neck, where the cable used to go in.Not that most of us even knew the rules of the game, of course. We were just pawns, really. Sarasti and the Captain—whatever hybridized intelligence those two formed—they were the real players. Looking back, I can see a few of their moves too. I see Theseus hearing the scramblers tap back and forth in their cages; I see her tweak the volume on the Gang's feed so that Susan hears it too, and thinks the discovery her own. If I squint hard enough, I even glimpse Theseus offering us up in sacrifice, deliberately provoking Rorschach to retaliation with that final approach. Sarasti was always enamored of data, especially when it had tactical significance. What better way to assess one's enemy than to observe it in combat?They never told us, of course. We were happier that way. We disliked orders from machines. Not that we were all that crazy about taking them from a vampire.
>>24101521I wonder if there's any deep-dive theorycrafting about the overall series, somewhere now that I think about it. I've read BS twice and Echo once, still don't remember a lot and the finer details escape me. Maybe a Blindsight forum or god forbid I have to crawl through a possible reddit sub's history. Gotta be some autists happily typing up what they think.
>>24101539>type this>random online penpal website thing I sometimes use tells me someone named Portia sent a messageUhhhhhhSend help?
>>24101539When I finished blindsight I googled for reviews and found this.Looks pretty good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkR2hnXR0SM
>>24101557and to add the site with all the design of everything with communications with Peter Watts of how the designs should look like.https://blindsight.space/memories/
>>24101572>asking watts for feedback on suit designs>that's the tone!
How come nobody criticizes Trull Sengar for being a mary sue? Literally no character flaws. Series spoilers: he fights Icarium and holds his his own with just his spear. The most powerful person in the world and Trull Sengar holds it down. Yedan Derryg killing all the Liosan and dragons still needed a magical sword Trull Sengar is the only Edur who doesn't have a fucked up worldview somehow. His brother Binadas becomes a fanatic, Rhulad is the most mentally tortured one, Fear is willing to walk across the continent to revive Scabandari even after learning why he shouldnt, Tomad is willing to kill his sons to start a war. How did Trull manage to be normal despite growing up in Edur tribal society? Everyone who Trull meets thinks he's cool as fuck. He befriends a T'lan Imass in Onrack almost instantly. He gets Seren Pedec to fall in love eith him and impregnates her their first moment alone. Hedge, a bridgeburner who has seen thousands die on the battlefield and whom never met an Edur, starts weeping on sight when he sees Trull's corpse. Hedge never met Trull and he starts crying over his dead body? Wtf
>Trull = Itkoviansmall power gap>Bugg + TeholHonorable mention:>Beak
>>24101587>lifestealer Icarium>most powerful beings Kruppe, Quick Ben, Tool, Rake>most powerful warriorsKarsa, Dassem Ultor, Gruntle, Yedan Derryg>power gap including magesBrys Beddict, Trull Sengar, Tayschrenn, Beak, Spinnock, Kallor->Elder God intelligence, all understanding of the universe and how it worksGothos>You will never win Kruppe>God level intelligence Kellanved >Smartest characters Tehol>gap Tavor>gapFiddler
>>24099777Yes. OP was a drunken retard
>>24100075I think this post sums the book up well
>>24100413I hated it. It wasn't even the lesbianism, which was actually not bad in the first book. It's just that the characters were shit, the plot was lame, and the comedy and writing style felt incredibly out of place
You would think fantasy and scifi would be wide genres but they're very narrow in scope and the same cookie cutter shit.
>>24098571kek
>>24101989>pre tolkien folklore shit>tolkien / D&D shit - when people say it's tolkienesque it's actually filtered from D&D rather than from tolkien >grimdark - add killing characters and rape as a gimmick and pretend it's new in storytelling >new fantasy - mix of the above items except tolkien races names are changes but the roles are the same. The era of derivative schlock>modern fantasy - new fantasy ezcept with fags and trannies
>>24102009New fantasy lifts from anime and uses video game esque framework. Especially from 2005 onwards. Just ask Sanderson. He's the expert.
>>24100719begone, troll
Book where female mc has to dress in dimly clothing to get into the bad guys lair?
>>24102307*skimpy clothing
>>24098571I only read the first black company and hated it, should I keep going?
>>24102307Anon you keep asking...
>>24102356My apologies. But there’s gotta be someone in here who’s read something that would be applicable. We’re a pretty diverse group in terms of what we’ve all read
>>24102328it only gets worse
>>24102328why didn't you like it? too gritty and realistic a depiction of war for you?
I do not like Egwene. I hope a bubble of evil opens and turns her into a puddle of lava. I also hope that puddle of lava burns down the entire white tower with her.
you're a wizard and you encounter a ship that's run aground on your beach. it's a normal-looking ship staffed by normal-looking (though dead) humans. their armor is an unusual wood-based material and you don't recognize the markings on the hullthere's a very injured lone survivor and you peer into his fevered dreams with magic. you see cities and animals that you don't recognize.so what do you conclude? that they come from a distant land? that the fevered dreams of a dying man aren't to be trusted?no. ridiculous. of course you correctly deduce that this ship somehow travelled across time and space, is from a completely different dimension, and they are preparing to invadei get the series is called Riftwar and I guess I appreciate they don't beat around the bush for 25% of the book, but this is silly
>>24101580>Malazanlol
>>24102386what's it like living with autism?
>>24100642>Where the fuck did they introduce the multiple personality chick? literally the first sentence she's mentioned, at the very beginning of the book:>Susan James was curled into a loose fetal ball, murmuring to herselves.Then later that same page:>Every facial tic was a data point, every conversational pause spoke volumes more than the words to either side. I could see James' personae shatter and coalesce in the flutter of an eyelash.as for backstory
>>24102307just browse the enf tag on literotica holy shit
>>24101580>Literally no character flaws.Malazan characters are paper-thin to begin with.
>>24098571Is empire of the damned a good book?Despite the pozzed shit?
>>24100411lol
>>24102717Well I mean... Has gay shit in itBut on the other side of things people are crying about misogyny and homophobia.
>>24102749>Lastly, the cussing is annoying. It doesn't feel natural at all and the author keeps inventing new weird ways to cuss people.Kek.
>>24102717Did you like The Last Of Us? Did you also think it would be better with vampire's and sex? If you did then you'll probably like it
>>24102717>>24102749>>24102758
>>24102764>HomophobiaFucking where? The female lead is gay, there's a gay couple who are portrayed as nothing but perfect and pull some power of love shit to beat the big bad in the end and even the mc is a bit zesty himself.
>>24102762I am not really that much into smut anon and I tend to skip those sections.I am here for the plot and characters.
is it any good, i liked the movie
>>24102776WOuld you still recommend the book?
>>24102764>photo of reviewerYeah, that looks like the type of person to complain about homophobia in a gay book.
>>24102774I don't know anon people nowadays are a bunch of softies so I don't know what offended this person.I tend to judge the book based on it's own merits and I hate gay shit.
>>24102554Honestly, its a comfy series and Feist isnt a bad writer.
>>24102774Mutts these days would call anything homophobic if it doesnt have at least 5 gay characters and several trannies.
I wanted to hold off until news about a Red God release date had came out but I don't think I can hold back from rereading for too much longer bros
>Starts as a Hunger Games YA ripoff.>Turns into a space opera in the following books.>Becomes a dark political fantasy in the sequel series.Any other series with a similar kind of progression?
Are there any books where the gods are real and characters get to meet/talk to them, earn their favor, etc?
>>24102945Bible and real life.
>>24102749I find it so weird how much of modern fantasy has token LGBT elements there just to appease certain groups.
>>24102009>>24102022I'm puzzled by the rise of chill fantasy where nothing really happen and everyone's time is just wasted. It's clearly trying to emulate Slice of Life anime.
>>24102612Thanks for the suggestion, but most of this was lowbrow and unappealing to me
>>24103148All media has it now due to a vocal minority.
>>24103180i dont know how you expect anything other than lowbrow when you beg for fetish slop
>>24103148At best it has token elements depending on which fantasy book you are reading.Sometimes they are well written it remedies those elements or are badly written and is jarring.I think most of the better fantasy books that came out this year have been self published imo and that is just going to get bigger and bigger here on out.>>24103157It's western moeshit can't wait till people come in here and arguing why western moeshit is superior to fantasy with action or where things happen.
>>24102927Maybe Bound and the brokenMaybe lost souls by ryan skeffington (It's because is inspired by Red Rising)Sky's End (same reason as above)King's dark tidings.
Does the Barsoom series get any better as it goes on? Just finished Princess of Mars and it wasn't a very engaging read, felt like most of the dialogue was directed at the reader rather than organically between the characters.
>>24103249>Bound and the brokenI hate that bastard because I'm openly jealous.>first time writing anything>starts self-publishing his dream fantasy series>takes off and is seen as one of modern greats>secures a publishing deal with the broken binding press as their first client>mad money
>>24103227>I think most of the better fantasy books that came out this year have been self published imo and that is just going to get bigger and bigger here on out.absolutely. it's also no coincidence more and more standalones have been been appearing since self publishing took off.
>>24103267I thought self-publishing was the domain of litrpg haremsthere are actual books in there too?
>>24103270Absolutely. Fact that's somewhat muddied the waters is notable self-published works tend to get picked up by actual publishers later on. Especially if author continues to write the series. Mind you, self-publishing as in "author publishes a physical book at his own expense" is what I'm talking about here. LitRPGs seem to be mostly in digital domain.
>>24103265>the broken binding pressSHIIIIEEEEET
>>24103270Yes?I can name some right now. (not strictly this year)Illborn saga5 warrior angelsDark tidings was once a self published seriesbound and the broken as previously mentioned.The Sword Unbound (lands of the firstborn #2) by garethryderSky's end (probably self published I haven't looked that deep into it)Defiant (songs of chaos #3) by Michael R miller Herald (Age of the God eater #1) by Rob J Hayes.I will give it a couple more years before self publishing starts over taking traditional publishing.
>>24103281And a honorable mention.In the Shadow of Kings (A time of dragons #2) by Philip C. Quaintrell
>>24103227>>24103267I'm worried about self-publishing because I don't want to buy ebooks off of amazon.
>>24103148Honestly it depends how it is handled by the writer.If winds and truth is anything to go off by that is the wrong way to do it.
>>24103298A good chunk of the books I mentioned you can buy physically.
whats the opinion on the bobiverse series?I have read like 5 scifi books, so I don't have a lot of knowledge about the genre
I need a short 200-300 page stand alone fantasy to read on holiday. Any recommendations?
I've never read Narnia. Is it worth reading as a 35 year old?
>>24103432In the case of most fantasy series targeted towards children I would say no, however both the themes and writing in Narnia transcend any mature vs. immature question. It's simply great with timeless and truly grand archetypes.
>>24103432Yes it is.
>>24100719>>24100724Even the ledditors are waking up kek. Imagine how bad your slop has to be for ledditfags to hate your politically correct DEI tranny fantasy
>>24102546Egwene is easily the worst character in WoT. Fucking hated her guts throughout the whole thing.
Redpill me on how to read Elric. Apparently it's a huge mess and Moorcock desecrates his own work worse than Lucas.
Book series with GRRMish blood magic as a central theme?
>>24103572I have no idea why people always make a big deal about reading order. Just read them in the order they were published. That's it. Elric is somewhat more complicated because there are comics adapting books, but that's a separate matter.
>>24103533those people are always the first ones to have some imaginary border you've crossed and they hate you now
>>24103688I already found the answer: the 6 DAW books.Alternatively, the first two Saga Press volumes where you skip The Fortress of the Pearl and The Revenge of the Rose.Publication order isn't always the best.
>>24103699>MoorcockOP needs moar cock.
>>24103473>>24103527Okay thanks. I just saw people get super autistic about the reading order. Thoughts?
>>24103148A lot of classic fantasy (and scifi) has them too. Fantasy and scifi by default has been a leftist genre since the very beginning and only occasionally somebody writes something that does not have those ideas.
>>24103728Order of publication. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.
>>24103737You sound like an indoctrinated /pol/ drone.
>>24103281Self-publishing won't ever be the majority of popular book sales, let alone take over.
>>24103788Because they obviously can't match actual SALES backed by a big name and whatever passes for book marketing these days. In terms of singular self-publications I'd be amazed if they haven't already take over traditional publishing.
>>24098949people outside of burgerlandia use partner all the time.
>>24101935keeeekkkkk this too
>>24100232i hope you enjoy gay cannibal orgies
>>24103281Jesus, how many books does Hayes plan to write? >The God Eater Saga is an epic fantasy written as a trilogy of trilogies, with each series being written concurrently. All 3 book 1s were written at the same time, and all 3 books 2s are being written together.
>>24103796Ah, yes, the millions of self-published books that sell a single copy and then you can say that self-published has a higher overall sale volume.
>>24101350imagine being so incel-brained that you get mad at a statue lmaooooo hahahahaha god you sound so fucking gay
>>24103778No, I only stated objective facts. Scifi and fantasy has always been a progressive genre.
>>24103281>IllbornNot strictly self-published https://troubador.co.uk>5 Warrior AngelsSaga Press>Dark Tidings Not, as you said.>Bound and BrokenSelf-published >The Sword Bound This and the first book are published by Orbit, one of the largest SFF publishers, from the start.>Sky's End Nothttps://www.peachtreebooks.com>DefiantYes>HeraldYes >In the Shadow of Kings Yes
>>24102532NTA but to me calling it gritty and realistic is almost laughable. It's a tad tricky for me to articulate but from what I recall of reading the first novel:>characters like Raven being shadow-tier edginess in a supposedly gritty and realistic story>characters like Limper and Soul catcher being hyped up as scary threats, only to undergo humiliation rituals like falling down the stairs and the protagonists literally walking over them without consequence>rare moments of actual grit being told in a very tell-not-show fashion>poor prose throughout the book reallyI really don't understand people saying this is like a war memoir told in a fantasy setting, this to me felt like a safe-edgy YA novel written by a kid whose really excited to join ROTCUnless the later books are a dramatic improvement I just think the series is not for me.
>>24103866nta, but that's not accurate. SF has always been a future focused genre, which isn't synonymous with progressive, especially if defined as socially progressive in contemporary terms. Fantasy is a past focused genre, which is often at odds with any definition of progressive. In our current day, it's different that's true.
>>24103270Self-publishing has been ongoing since the late 2000s. It's not some new thing with litRPGs only. You only notice the more popular titles.>>24103788Series like Cradle and Dungeon Crawler Carl have sold within the top 10 of all Amazon books on their release day though, with DCC's most recent release hitting #9. And we know from the internet archive court case that physical books (for example: Penguin 'classics') overall sell next to nothing.
>>24103880It has always challenged the norms (to a lesser or greater extent) compared to other genres. A fantasy or scifi from 100 years ago may not be progressive by todays standards but by the standards of those times it was.
I really appreciate Leiber's tremendous contributions to fantasy but Jesus Christ dude, just fucking speak plainly. I don't know if it qualifies as purple prose but it sure feels like every sentence is torturous. REH didn't have this problem.
>>24103952Not really. This only makes sense if you consider "challenging norms" to be "having anything not found in our real world". By that logic having dwarves and elves is inherently progressive.
>>24099395jew on a stick and YHVH are not my gods. thanks.
reading this right now and it's a fantastic depiction of the fey any other fans of Cherryh's work here? Downbelow Station and Cyteen are amazing.
>>24104021That's not progressive but having some female from (fantasy) medieval times become a strong leader/warrior was progressive at the time.
>>24104094Because MEDIEVAL FANTASY is a catch-all term that really means. What you say is only true if we're looking specifically at historical fantasy which is actually rooted in some real world historical period.
>>24104102>Because MEDIEVAL FANTASY is a catch-all term that really means.Means what, anon? WHAT?
>>24103744>>24103728seriously the only reason to read any series in an order OTHER than publication order is when you're chipping away at a huge body of multi-author slop like the licensed horus heresy novels.
>>24103821>the cannibal rape orgies in this series are GAYnevermind, i'm returning my box set to the store
>>24102764This review only further confirms the book is good.
>>24102927The Sun Eater series
>>24103157Books for Redditors who have severe mental illness.
>>24103279Based
>>24103699>>24103712Would never read anything from an author who is clearly a homosexual.
>>24103694True, like Linehan and Rowling. Once that line is crossed, they'll never be accepted back into the ranks either.
>>24103737>A lot of classic fantasy (and scifi) has them too.Nope. That shit started at the earliest in the late 90s among women's fantasy authors. Wasn't a thing before the likes of Robin Hobb.
>>24104385they legitimately are between men lol it wasn't condemnation just a statement of fact, also the protagonist/antagonist gives his best homie betrayal backshots and a dragon screams "I LOVE CUNNY". there are more descriptions of alien cocks as being "turgid horns" than i know how to count. the dude describes the air as being a mix of hot booty and roasted lamb so many times. it is based af but just wanted to let you know what you're getting into. the last book is 40% gay snuff porn that would make hentai artists blush. a couple of times i just thought "damn bitch you nasty for that". anyone in here can back me up this is not an exaggeration in the least.
>>24105029>a dragon screams "I LOVE CUNNY"Can't he use more period-appropriate terminology...?
>>24103057Already read the Bible. Real life is boring and the gods don’t respond. Looking for something more like the Iliad but modern.
>>24103626Harry Potter
>>24105033they're aliens from another planet. maybe they're just using their own slang #notallinchoroi
>>24105038>Real life is boring and the gods don’t respondOnly because Jehovah holds the Throne and has obscured the divinity from man, although I can't find the verse that I'm pulling the latter from.
>>24104763lol it started way before 90s
>looked up my favorite SF&F book store after not having been there for a few years when I was passing through the capital >over half the store is LGBTQ romantasy bullshit and harry potter merchandise now when it used to be full of shelves of classic fantasy and SF with some artbooks, fine lit, anime and roleplaying stuff>what little left of the old stuff is marked up nearly 15% over the big retailersNever before have I so keenly felt that letting fujos and normalfags into your niche can be so devastating.
>>24102717>>24102762Would you still recommend the book if you hate lgbt representation?
>>24103148Appeasement is the wrong word, the publishing industry is full of the kind of progressive-inclined women who sincerely believe that having a character cast like the BK Kids Club is part and parcel of being a Decent Person. Only Nazi chuds would write a book about white men doing white men things.
>>24105300If that was true then why is it that white men black men and Hispanic men and Asian men all enjoy Godzilla, Naruto and dragon ball z?Why do sci fi and fantasy books with a lot of action tend to do better than books about muh feelings or muh oppression.
>>24103535Egwene is such a Mary Sue it's fucking insane.
>>24105299Depends how much of a tolerance you have for it.If you hate sex scenes skip those sections or read something else.
>>24105299No.
>>24105300They're also the sort to refuse to even consider publishing something that isn't by somebody from a pre-approved list.
>>24102546>>24103535>>24105309Remember, the best test of character is to ask somebody if they like Egwene. If you're really lucky, they'll reveal that not only do they like her but that they hate Nynaeve.
>>24105328That bad?I would read it if the good writing makes the representation less cringe but oh well I am gonna read John Gwynn or something.
>>24105351Plenty of novels that released that doesn’t have a gay or implied gay mc anon…..
Well done to the anon responsible for this edit.
>>24105387I thought empire of the damned sort of confirmed almost everyone in the world to be bi or gay no not just vaguely?>>24105420Sounds better.
>>24105387>Plenty of novels that released that doesn’t have a gay or implied gay mcI find that very hard to believe.Can you list some of these lgbt free novels?
>>24102774>and even the mc is a bit zesty himself.Qrd?
>>24102717It needed an ending. I quit two pages after a perspective shift in the sequel.
>>24103224i'm considering writing my own story at this point
>>24105488I mean a homosexual MC anon.But ya there are quite a couple with absolutely no lgbt characters.
>>24105333It's physically impossible to hate Nynaeve past the point when she reunites with Lan. You'd have to be a genuine psychopath.It's the only person Rand trusted at his darkest and that speaks volumes.
It is physically impossible for a reader, in possession of good taste, to actually read the vomit Robert Jordan called the Wheel of Time
>>24103817I just finished the first Dune book last night. I started to watch the movie after and ended up closing it. I don't think I like the movie.
>>24104763>1998Yeah...
>>24105763First book in that series was published after Hobb released the last in her gay pederast Farseer series.
>>24105807It's so cursed.
>>24105624If you have actually good taste you should be capable with engaging with pulpy writing on its own terms.Although that said I found WoT super boring and gave up on it early.
Chapter 4 of my necromancer genre fiction is out! Have about 67 pages now, never thought I'd get this far.https://pastebin.com/u/BornunderablacksunLinktree/bornunderablacksun
>>24105525>>24105488>>24105539>>24105586Enough about gay shit and other things.Name me a book series with this kino rivalry.
>>24106038>Complains about gay shit.>Posts gay shit.
>>24106038That precise level of kino? You probably want to check out Percy Jackson
>>24098571I thought that one has been finished years ago. Is it worth a read?
>>24106038>kino rivalry.That's gay too.
>>24105731I had the same reaction, the fan cut of the David Lynch film is much better.
>>24105599The Nynaeve twist was so good I'm unsure if Jordan did it on purpose.
>>24106053>>24106098This tells me you never had healthy male friendships.>>24106056Well check it out.
>>24102717Jay Kristoff is so unbelievably edgy that even looking at his books can give you a paper cut.
>redditors are abandoning Sanderson en masse after his last shitshow of a novelWho is the next up and coming reddit author?
>>24106243What did he even write?
What a fucking prick
>>24106253Savage, but fair.
>>24106253Absolutely justified
>>24106253Author is a total hack still seething over GRRM calling him out a decade ago>Sad Puppies was an unsuccessful[1] right-wing[2] anti-diversity[3] voting campaign run from 2013 to 2017 and intended to influence the outcome of the annual Hugo Awards, the longest-running prize (since 1953) for science fiction or fantasy works. It was started in 2013 by author Larry Correia as a voting bloc to get his novel Monster Hunter Legion nominated for a Hugo Award, and then grew into suggested slates, or sets of works to nominate, in subsequent years (led by Correia in 2014, and then Brad R. Torgersen in 2015). According to the Los Angeles Times, Sad Puppies activists accused the Hugo Awards "of giving awards on the basis of political correctness and favoring authors and artists who aren't straight, white and male".
>>24106271The Hugo awards are 100% compromised, what's your point?
>>24106253That's hilarious. What book is that? Also, maps are great.
>>24106271where was /lit/ when sad puppies called for aid?
>discover new interesting sci-fi/fantasy books >they're out of printI don't get it, is it genre fiction or reading in general that's unpopular?
>>24106280most people don't readcompared to film/music/videogames it's pretty much a niche interest
>>24106280Maybe you can find some ebooks of it. Or a library has it.
>>24106280I have read the filthiest, most improperly formatted PDFs imaginable, and you're complaining about a book not being on paper? Pathetic.
>>24105653Just had a geeze, sounds interesting, are they any good?
>>24104094That's an old idea from mythology. Amazons, war goddesses and the like. It wasn't meant as some women empowerment thing, it was just another wondrous thing you would encounter in these fairy tale worlds, like talking fish and three headed hounds. A woman who fights? Can you imagine that! And in the next island I was captured by thumb-sized midgets!
>>24105731The Villeneuve movies are honestly better if you only half-remember the book from years ago. I realized this when I re-read the book *after* seeing Part 2. Probably applies to the Lynch one too. Wait a few years and then watch the 1984 movie.
>>24100719>>24100724>*eat shit*>"wow! Why does it taste like shit?"Seriously these niggas never learned. We also warned several people in /tv/ and /v/ about wind and truth and sandeslop in general, but sanderson shills bite back so instead of piling up debates of prose its better to let them niggers taste their own shit instead, they just dont want to be saved
>>24106369That's because even the less imaginative readers would picture something better looking in their mind's eye than what Villeneuve made.
>>24106401I was more thinking of all the shortcuts they took with the plot. The other thing that struck me was that the visuals in the movies actually stick quite close to the descriptions in the novel. The Lynch movie had an interesting style but it was all made up and had little to do with what's said in the book.
>>24106253What book is this?
>>24106408I don't remember there being much of any descriptions in the book, aside from the Sardaukar dressing in grey and being led by a Dolph Lundgren caste.
>>24106401>imageIt looks like random shapes with greebles. I really, really didn't like it.>>24106408The shortcuts bothered the fuck out of me too.>>24106413Not that anon but in the book I believe some ornithopters and troops have livery or house colors. The Sardaukar dressed in Harkonnen colors when they invaded but I don't recall actual colors of House Harkonnen being mentioned. I know House Atreides is green and black with a red hawk. Okay, I opened the ebook.>The Emperor stood poised, waiting—a slim, elegant figure in a gray Sardaukar uniform with silver and gold trim.>the two Guildsmen. They wore the Guild gray, unadorned>the pale glistening gray of a stillsuit>The man wore a Sardaukar working uniform in grey and black with insignia of a Levenbrech, aide to a Bashar.>She saw that Farad’n wore the dress grey of a Sardaukar commander without decorations.Grey/gray is such a boring color.
>>24106276>>24106411Im not OP, but im guessing Larry Correia Heart of the Mountain.
>>24106271>Hugo Awards "of giving awards on the basis of political correctness and favoring authors and artists who aren't straight, white and male".As if that's not the case.
>>24106271You have a GRRM general to rim the ass of your favorite celebrity, nigger.
>>24106253Considering how much the author seethes about GRRM, it feels rather pathetic. Especially since thousands of other fantasy series have started and ended since the last brick GRRM shat out.None of this changes that GRRM is a hack that poisoned the well on dark fantasy forever.
>>24106277Laughing at them for being faggots.>>24106274>>24106901The reason he was seething was because he didn't win an award. Basically the /lit/ equivalent of the Family Guy writers being assmad they didn't win an emmy.
>>24103253It gets better as Burroughs learns to write(A Princess of Mars was his first attempt at writing fiction) but after the fifth or sixth book it drops off again as he starts to run out of ideas.
>>24103157This sounds like those coffee/flower shop AU fanfics.
>>24107088I never understood why that type of fanfic was so popular.
>>24103157Except Japanese SoL has the advantage of being in a visual medium. Stuff like pic related would've worked better as a webcomic than a prose with 0 interior illustrations.>>24103227>can't wait till people come in here and arguing why western moeshit is superior to fantasy with action or where things happen.I'd like to say that won't happen since moe anime and manga have the appeal of cute character designs and likable, if simplistic characters that a lot of western shit lacks, but considering how many "people" on the internet these days *want* things to look ugly...
>>24107095It makes more sense the darker the original setting. There is an appeal in seeing characters you like just chilling out and goofing off with the bulk of the focus going to casual interactions, especially in stories where there's otherwise no downtime.
>>24107102>There is an appeal in seeing >characters you like just chilling out and goofing off with the bulk of the focus going to casual interactionsWhat kind of a person finds that appealing? Genuinely asking. To me whenever I read like a story like that I get a sudden urge to strangle the author.
>>24106271>Sad Puppies was a heckin'1] problematic[2] anti-Reddit[3] holocaust run from 2013 to 2017
>>24107130Not I, that's for certain.
>>24107095Neither have I, I've always skipped them because they sound incredibly boring and formulaic.>>24107102I sort of get this, but at the same time it's that original setting that allows that particular type of interactions between the characters most of the time. An AU with comfy stuff feels like it denies what those characters are in the first place. Anyway, to each his own, as a non-reader I wish writers would at least diverisfy the store type.
>>24107130It's nice to read a breather story sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I love high stakes adventure and chilling horror as much as the next anon, but I don't want that to be the only thing in my diet.
>>24104050the Alliance / Union setting or whatever it's called is fucking ginormous but she has a real problem with writing endings, the story just peters out instead of concluding. maybe it's because she's trying to portray something like real history.
>>24098571>glen cook lies weepingWhy, what's happened to him?
>>24099220the Bright Sword by Lev Grossman
Genuinely an amazing read. Redo the covers and release them in larger editions, zoomers need this child soldier war criminal kino in their lives
>>24105454>I thought empire of the damned sort of confirmed almost everyone in the world to be bi or gay no not just vaguely?They're all so French that they're bisexual by implication.
>>24107305He fibbed while crying
Cook you bastard finish Instrumentalities of the Night already!
>>24107305He had to keep writing new Black Company books
>>24106782is it good though
>>24107318i don't know which one of these i actually but i think i remember that one them got stuck as a bird forever.
>>24107459No idea, i have never read any of his books.
>>24107305Sjws forced him to write it
>>24107462That's very early on, Tobias.
>>24107318this was so good
>>24107531>Animorphs (1996)>Stargate TV (1997)>Anon's posts (2022)Nah, I don't see it.Remember not to take your anti-parasite medicine, those are only for pets not slaves.
>>24107318Was one of the books about the Yeerks becoming addicted to some cereal?
Is this any good?
>>24107622isekai story, surprisingly.
>>24107318I preferred Everworld. All three of her big series (Animorphs; Everworld; Remnants) were fucking DARK.
Read half of The Drowned World by Ballard yesterday and have been enjoying it very much. What other Ballard SF would you recommend? He has a lot.
Just finished this.What did I think about it?
>>24106277https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&ghost=false&search_text=Sad+puppies&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_media_hash=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post
>>24107949Anything written by Asian diaspora is trash.
>>24102927just finished this series last week, I liked it very much. last book comes out this year apparently
>>24108043couldn't have said it more accurately
When does it get gud?
>>24108288Just continue to read, anon.
>>24108288~60-70% is when stuff actually starts happening
>>24108288when you put it down and pick up David Gemmell
biopunk > cyberpunk
>>24107459Only read the first one (Son of the Black Sword). It was mediocre. Mostly carried by the MC's autism.
>>24107622He’s a good author but I haven’t read that one.
>>24107622Heard it's not good. Only seems to have a soft spot to people who read it early in lire.
