Omniscient Slopper's Viewpoint EditionStubbed >>24825158>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>/wng/ authors.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSNZali-jIk2MASsAWVf8N7A8BlSyzPbAFV_BhsA5Ip3SWfMPWKxaXf8Pdb7f0TgFyWis31BzirtPeR/pubhtml>Advice for Noobs!##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##Running your story like the business it is:www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847On writing web serials:alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLYRecommended web novelsrentry.co/d2yvczroAnon's guide to successrentry.co/RRBasicGuideFAQrentry.co/pytefpxn
Reverend insanity.
>>24828850Naming rare exceptions when discussing site trends is low iq. Why do people keep doing it?
>>24828856Every single time you call something a "rare exception" it seems to be one of the most popular webnovels out there.
Do RR readers expect a PDF or html or .txt text?Because what I want is to make a light novel with anime girl drawings and some basic song, that reads like a PDF with a song.
>>24828856goalpost status -> moved
>>24828856What's the point in discussing anything if everything that isn't the majority is an exception?The majority of webnovels will always be solo male power fantasies because it's the path of least resistance for juvenile writers to take.
>>24828867not sure who you think you're talking to, schizo. i wasn't the original anon, just chiming in to call you out for the 'tardation>pale lights is one of the most popular web serialsfucking kek it doesn't even make the top 100 most-followed list. and was made by one of the OG serial authors who could pull his huge prior audience in. it's the literal fucking definition of an exception to general site trends
>>24828870The RR input form allows HTML. That's what you're gonna have to put in.
>>24828856Everybody already knows those posters have low iq, there is no point in hiding it.
>>24828874>What's the point in discussing anything if everything that isn't the majority is an exception?to understand what the general shape of the market is.if you want to just do what you want and hope you find success anyway, by all means. but if the context of the discussion is 'what generally works'? then Pale Lights is a horrific example to pull to support any sort of argument
>muh marketshut the fuck up you worthless grifter
>>24828867When there is exactly 1 (one) successful webnovel of a certain genre and 1000 failures, then yes, it is a rare exception. And if it succeeded, it's because it is significantly better written than its similarly ranked neighbours that follow meta.
>>24828884can you please stop having a melty over this ad fucking nauseam?it's implied that if you just want to write for fun or whatever, you should do that. but if someone asks 'does X work' it very obviously means 'does X usually work, and is it advisable if I want readers?'stop sperging out about it every goddamn time. and stop giving shit advice (if that was you)
>>24828896>bro how do i get the money bro muh money gotta get rich quick man what about da market sir???kill yourself
>>24828897>let me twist your standpoint into something you've specifically, repeatedly rejected so my meltie seems more reasonablepathetic. stop trolling this thread all day you fag
>>24828825>Do RR readers already drop at the sight of male and female main duo, or does there also need to be clear signs that it's heading towards romance?Some do, but they're not but any means the majority
Eastern-slop readers just can't get their heads around RR and the western audience.
Apparently Sarah Lin is Cognosticon.
>>24828931interesting, hadn't heard of that pen name, but 7k followers isn't too bad. how did she perform on Amazon when she moved with Depthless Hunger? It looks like it was taken down to be reuploaded with the name Sarah Lin, so I assume not great. wonder why
>>24828931She is also Sierra Lee (of The Last Sovereign fame)
>>24828919>Eastern-slop readers just can't get their heads around Western-slop>Western-slop readers just can't get their heads around Eastern-slop
I feel I'm relying on genes too much as an explanation. If I need the protag to be special. I just put an ancestor with that special gene high up in the family tree. If I need an entire race to awaken from humans or something I just say oh that race bred with some humans some thousands years ago and their genes were simply asleep until now enabling magic and shit.What do you do to make your MC special? Or why a specific ingroup of people in your setting has superpowers?
>>24828931seems like a silly decision if so.I actually bought the weirkey books specifically because I like her as a writer.No chance I'm finding her again on a >kai story by chance
>>24828931>Check out Cognosticon novels>KaiI'd never heard of "Kai" being a name used until anons started talking about the name yesterday and now its everywhere
>>24828979it's the new Jason
>>24828954Going by genetics is a good way if you want to have a large group of people be special.Another one is to have an ancestor discover a special application of magic that becomes a legacy technique of the clan.In my setting I have a convoluted system based on Plato's theory of forms, and how that shapes the Soul and the Astral Body. Some people have special souls that are more in tune with some concepts and that makes them special.
>>24828954I just do it. No explanation needed. Some people are special and others aren't. Real life doesn't give you reasons for why Jordan was so good at ball. He just was.
>>24829015Mark Twain: "The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible."
>>24828954the MC stumbled upon the lost legacy of an ancient and powerful beingthe MC is just a genius, completely built different at doing whatever thing they're supposed to be good atthe MC is just that much more motivated than everyone else, and this insane drive + intelligence + ruthlessness has allowed them to claw their way to the front of the packetc.
>>24828870html for textyou can embed images from links
>>24829020This. And Jordan is fiction. He's good at ball because he's tall and strong and not retarded and he practiced ball like he wanted to make a succesful career of it. He's also old and tired and broke because he never got treatment for his gambling addiction and largely forgotten by current ball fans because younger guys with more rap personae have become models for the advertisers who sponsor professional ball and the fans of ball are soulless sub85s who think the ads tell them the path to greatness. But that's not credible to a public conditioned to believe inheriting a billion dollars constitutes earning it and that anyone who's rich must be smarter and more moral than anyone who isn't.Go with magic genes, if you want genetically magical characters. The shrieking harpies embittered that the fascism and genocide and atrocities are being committed by members of the wrong team when it should be their Queen demolishing the White House for fun and profit will call you a racist and a sexist and a nazi no matter what you write, or even if you don't write at all.
>>24828954My MC is from a special bloodline, but not that special. More like a family of weirdos. My MC is rather stupid actually, and this entire backstory is withheld from the text. It exists only in my mind and by implication.Future stories will have "special" MCs only in that they are more autistically obsessed or determined than everyone else, and therefore work harder and more consistently towards their goals.
>>24828954Just say they have godsblood and different people have the blood of different gods.Worked for the Greeks
>>24829085>But that's not credible to a public conditioned to believe inheriting a billion dollars constitutes earning it and that anyone who's rich must be smarter and more moral than anyone who isn't.Nobody actually thinks this. That's a strawman parroted by socialists. Chill out. Touch grass. Seriously, it's not normal to sperg out and include that in your post where it's not relevant.
>Nobody actually thinks this.do we tell him?
>>24829091retard
>>24829094It's not that excessive wealth is perceived as earned, it's that broke losers deserve to be broke losers because they refuse to apply themselves.Nobody thinks inheriting wealth is earning it, or that being wealthy means you're smarter than anyone else. People recognize luck is a factor. But they also recognize that losers complaining often deserve to be losers. It's not a structure issue, it's a behavior and personality issue.
>>24829085>because he's tall and strong and not retarded and he practiced ball like he wanted to make a succesful career of it.So did hundreds of other college stars and NBA benchwarmers. So why was he better? He wasn't taller or faster than them, and while he might have practiced harder than some, he likely didn't practice harder than every one of them. But he was magical on the court, and they were mediocre. Some people are just talented.
are there any WNs where race wars, racial supremacy, and race focused ideologies are core to the setting that aren’t chinkslop xianxia?
>>24829114Yes but they're all either asian or russianwestoids are too cucked to write that and westoid platforms are too cucked to not ban ityou might find some westoid-written ones on webnovel.com i guess
>>24828954Karma/fate threads. Great destinies float through the aether waiting for a host, or an unusually large amount of individual small threads all fit into one host at the same time. The "hero phenomenon" occurs when each thread improves the host's compatibility with other threads, snowballing to create a world-shaking destiny.
My extremely racist webnovel of choice? Why of course it's The Human Emperor.
Princess sisters it's over. Sovereign-chads can't stop winning.
>>24829129This is a perfect example of the clear vs muddy thumbnail we were talking about last thread
>>24829122The Human Emperor mentioned.
>>24829188It's just Han-slop where they seethe about Tibetans and getting invaded by Mongols.It actually contradicts CCP ultranationalists since they just claim Tibetans and Mongols as Chinese.
>>24829129FeMC chads stay winning
typin out a banger chapter rn ong
Are long paragraphs bad? I put my shit through chatgpt and it's splitting everything into 1-2 sentence paragraphs.Also, anyone else having problems posting/captcha?
quick question, is it a better marketing move to just make my mc a woman at this point? why do rr fags love femc so much? is it agp or something?
>>24829122>>24829237Supposedly Otherwordly Evil Monarch is a racist novel (towards Japanese), I read up it upto chapter 500 and it was alright.
>>24829254>Are long paragraphs bad?No>Problems with posting/captcha?Nyes, kind of>>24829259I don't think woman mc's are more or less marketable than male mcs desu.The only problem with FMCs are the retards that go>I dont read ANY stories with a Female MC because I have to self insert like a retard.
>at the very end of the previous thread we had a prosefag having a melty>at the beginning of this one we have a integrityfag having a meltyIts all so tiresome
>>24829264>I dont read ANY stories with a Female MC because I have to self insert like a retard.It's fine then, I didn't want them to read my shit anyway.
>>24829259>He fell for the man with tits meme
>>24829264>The only problem with FMCs are the retards that go>>I dont read ANY stories with a Female MC because I have to self insert like a retard.It similar to how retard authors want to make money but then refuse to write self insert male mc stories that everybody wants.
>>24829274why do you people keep trying to push this retarded idea that femc doesn't pass when we can literally just look at the charts to prove you wrong?is this some low virtualization factor cope, where you can't help but self-insert so you get insecure and feel gay and sperg about feMCs in books like WoW retards sperg about people playing female toons?
Didn't we just have the femc vs mc melty like 4 or 5 threads ago.Can you tards keep it to once a month at least?
>>24829259>why do rr fags love femc so much?for me, mostly because it signals that the story will be more thoughtful and emotional. i don't like stuff like azarinth healer for example.>better marketing move?on royalroad gender is pretty irrelevant, they perform the same. on amazon, male mc does much better
>>24829254>are long paragraphs bad?honestly I think they are. but it depends on what you mean by long. and what kind of story you're writing. if it's litrpg action sloppa you really should be spamming enter pretty often
>>24829285Those numbers are pathetic, male mc have typically have 20 times more readers than feMC, more readers more views, more followers, more subscribers, more money.
>>24829247I hit the pre-climax of my book today, climax is tomorrow, and man it felt good to break 5k words again.I wasn't sure if I could finish the rest of my book before Monday afternoon but I think I might even finish it tomorrow. Maybe just an epilogue on Monday morning. That'll give me a few days to prep for Writathon (opening a new fiction, finalizing the blurb, genning up a cover, final outlining polish, etc).It kinda sucks because I have now three books worth of editing to do, one of which needs major structural edits, and I'm going to go into december with FOUR books to finalize. I'll be lucky to get one done before Christmas.
>>24829287>male mc does much betterDoes that really have anything to do inherently with the MC, or are the best stories just those with male MCs? I think it's the latter. Where's the FeMC story with DCC's quality? And I say that as a FeMC enjoyer.
If you don't want to bang your mc why did you create them
>>24829321Where are the male MC stories with DCC's quality, that isn't DCC?
Be honest.Why can't I use an uncensored LLM llama model to write my draft based on my prompts and then rewrite it to fix issues?
>>24829336That also illustrates the problem: there's a pareto distribution of success in literature. The top stories are massively more popular than the median, and the #1 is significantly ahead of #2, which is significantly ahead of #3, all the way down.It's really hard to disentangle what's just skill and success from a confounding factor like the sex of the main character.
>>24829335Bangability is a metric better suited for side characters.
>>24829349You can. You're just a bad person if you do.
>>24829350you just have to look at the midlisters and set the outliers aside.a simple scan of amazon's current best sellers in litrpg shows that mmc is significantly more common. i would be surprised if there's more than 2 or 3 fmcs in the top 50, though I haven't gone and checked
>>24829349The good readers will see that it's an LLM instantly and drop it, the bad readers will praise you for the uncommonly seen good grammar and will interpret the purple prose to be indicative of your excellent command of the language, and praise you for it.
Is there a point in talking about amazon when no anons here are even close to having follower counts to justify a publisher coming after them?As far as RR goes, fmc is arguably a buff. Ratio wise, they're overrepresented on top lists compared to how few of them are created overall.It's close enough that you should really just choose what you want though. It's not like the Multiple Lead Characters tag from earlier where you're shooting yourself in the foot
>>24829129Demon Princess is pretty bad. Clunky opening and then it's the most regurgitated Overlord knockoff setup ever.I don't like Overlord much but there's already been so many clones if you're familiar with light novels.
>>24829391It really is crazy how many front-page mimics have gotten so big just because of the wave the leviathan left in its wakeIs there any other example of this happening? Did Super Supportive spawn a bunch of knockoffs too? Or that demonic tree one?
William Oh seems solid enough but after 10ish chapters there's nothing to really motivate me to keep going. He doesn't have much of a character and the teleporting from a high stakes situation to town to another high stakes one actually makes everything feel kinda flat.
>>24829380It's really not a matter of feMC being a big debuff and more a matter of sheer volumesince there are way more maleMCs being released, naturally more of those are successfulsomething as superficial as maleMC or feMC doesn't actually matter, what matters is whether the story is male-coded or female-coded, and that's what readers can detect, if it smells like YA smutslop men won't read it
>>24829423There's like three fucking times in this thread where someone has confused the percentage makeup of popular novels mostly mirroring the percentage makeup of what gets written for meaningful insight.Driving me nuts.
>>24829390>Multiple Lead Characters tag from earlier where you're shooting yourself in the footproof?
>>24829432Honestly one would probably need a full on literature research paper to analyze the quality of webfictions based on MC sex and whether or not it's a causal factor in popularity/success. It's not something that can be determined in just a 4chan post.
>>24829447I hate to agree with this but it's true.To be clear this doesn't mean you should only have your MC and random NPCs. It means you shouldn't do what Wandering Inn does. Keep the POV mostly constrained to your MC.
>>24829456Show some actual proof or shut up. FFS your example of a webnovel doing this supposedly terrible thing is one of the most popular ones.
>>24829460Wandering Inn is an exception among exceptions.
Multiple POV gets confusing quickly. Especially with retarded web novel names. And the short chapter length.
>>24829456What about Spice and Wolf? It's arguably dual protagonist since Horo is so central to the entire story.
>>24829464If the only evidence anyone can produce is evidence you have to tell them to ignore why should we listen to you?
>>24829460proof: royalroad.com
>>24829469I'd say two protagonists is fine, RR readers only start sperging if you jump between 3 or more MCs. I definitely encounter dual protagonist the most often out of "multi-protag".
>>24829470what kind of evidence are you expecting? is the wild rarity of successful Multiple Leads stories not enough? Is the common sentiment expressed in litrpg spaces that they hate multiple leads not enough?No, I dont have a research paper, but anyone who knows RR knows its true. Do it if you want man I couldn't give less of a shit, but you are cutting your readership massively
>>24829488If it's actually something that hurts stories enough for you to speak on it from a position of authority you should at the very least be able to produce several multi-pov stories that have failed despite being as well written and promoted as single pov ones.Otherwise you're just talking out of your ass obviously.
>>24829492I would argue Pale Lights is your proof.
>>24829335HE'S A GUY (he'd have to force me into it and I'll give in no homo)
>>24829496Then you're an idiot if #5 in Best Ongoing is what you have as evidence of failure.Like seriously do you not have any actual examples for what you keep making all these confident posts about?They're making £60k a year on patreon when it's only 2-3 weeks (and chapters) ahead.
>>24829492the multiple leads tag is applied to about 20% of all royalroad fictions but shows up in 6 of the top 100 most followed.there. I did your research for you.
>>24829502The point is Pale Lights is massively underperforming relative to its sheer quality. And its because it's off meta as a multiple lead fantasy epic.
>>24829502>#5 in Best Ongoingbest ongoing tracks rating, anon...
Anons arguing about obvious shit anyone who actually uses and reads on Royalroad would know, yet againLike what the hell is this newfaggotry?
>>24829519Ah the classic wait a couple of minutes and pretend to be a third party post
>>24829521Hello samefag schizo anon
>omg guys how do i get rich quick? pls help me grift
oh hes the ghost poster toodamn this guy is like 70% of the personalities I hate in this thread
Just write what you love and the readers will come. Love will always be the best salesman.
Just write what you want and readers will cum.
Just cum in your readers' mouths
>>24829492>that have failed despite being as well written and promoted as single pov ones.To be honest I don't think people ITT could name a single genuinely well written story that put some effort into promotion and set up patreon properly and still failed to make anything.
>>24829245what if I make ai-assisted content and just don't tell you
>>24829537Then allow me to be the first who will claim that lofty honor.
>>24829467I do multi-pov and I just try to make it clear from the first sentence of a chapter who it will be following. I haven't gotten any complaints, and even got told in a review that there were no problems telling whose PoV was being used.
Aren't we due for a Reverend Insanity screenshot?
>>24829533>>24829534>>24829536NOOOO YOU HAVE TO STUDY THE HECKING MARKET
>>24829529Real answer: write better.There's a hard point in my writing where the writing improved dramatically and since that portion of the story started getting posted (backlog too big) I've doubled my paid subscribers on patreon, and my followers bumped up about 22% on RR. And I'm not even at the REALLY good part yet (although that's the end so eh, not going to be a big patreon mover).Just write good. Easy to say hard to do.
>>24828954>What do you do to make your MC special?Just thinking outside the box makes for an interesting readThis is just one example but Curse Magic could be retooled to produce a benefit instead of killing or debuffing the target, maybe its capeable of doing things that Blessing Magic can't, it all depends on intent and how knowledgeable is the user
Man, this sperg is extra mindbroken today.
>what's going to happen to my marketshare if my protagonist wears green socks? provide at least 15 examples
green hat
don't shit your pants too hard now. it's an anonymous thread but it's small enough we remember who you are
>>24829550Actually, the trick to GUARANTEED Rising Stars placement is to have all characters use a sword.
>>24829560cute daughterwife
>>24829565>My MC only uses martial artsIt's over...
Hollow palm technique...
>>24829570That's a huge mistake. You will never make it big this way.Seriously, each sword featuring in the story correlates to a roughly 0.3% gain in patreon contributions. But only swords no longer than 4 feet. Swords over 4 feet have been found to actually DECREASE your marketshare by 0.05% for every inch after 4 feet.
>>24829421>He doesn't have much of a characterthis has never stopped any litrpg mc before
>>24829578>Small swords are better for patreon conversionNewfag detected. It's obvious that big swords do better
>>24829421I thought it was gonna lean into the tall tales like you first hear the ridiculous lie about William and then see what really happened but instead you just hear about him being OTT cool and then he's just regular competent and OP in the actual passage.So the whole frame is kinda pointless.
>schizo having a melty about pointless shit again
>>24829602see >>24829521
only jobber characters use swords in my storyall the powerful characters use their fists
>>24829533I wish I could say I remember when I believed that, but even I was never that blissfully ignorant
Sell me on your stories. Why should I read what you've written over others? FFFs need not apply.
>>24829616someone who I erp'd with once praised my writing
>>24829616I don't want anons reading my stuff. They're either stupid, mean, or at the very least not my intended audience
>>24829616You shouldn't. I don't want your kind associated with my work.
Peak is back
>>24829616It's the most literarily ambitious fiction on RR except for the wheel and wing story with the disabled harpy that was a poem at first, that shit is beyond me holy crap. So second most ambitious fiction.
>COMMENT
/wng/ read alongs when?
Anyone know of a litrpg with guns and slow/no cheat earned progression?Basically I read stray cat strut and liked exactly 10% of the setting/setup
>>24829631Already doing that, it's in the Max Level Archmage patreon comments. See you there!
god, reverend insanity is so PEAK
>>24829640Make sure to sub to the patreon btw
>>24829637>https://www.scribblehub.com/series/402410/reincarnation-of-the-gun-swap-goddess/it's dropped tho
>>24829637ghost in the city is the closest I've come to finding one of these but she gets OP way too quick. I'd look for knockoffs of that.
I want to read either Reverend Insanity or Max Level Archmage, which should I?
>>24829637what the fuck kind of preference is thisDo you want a story where you can gun harder by gaining XP?
>>24829637Ghost in the CityNeon Dragons & The Allbright System (same author, slow, almost glacial progression)
>>24829656Is Neon Dragons the cyberpunk one that was blatantly reworded by AI (Every chapter is super purple prosey) or am I thinking of something else?
>>24829651Go with Reverend Insanity. Fang Yuan is the superior protagonist and has to actually earn his power. His meridians become purer the more men he rapes. Seeing the thought process of how he plans on ravaging lesser cultivators is kino of the highest caliber.
>>24829658> (Every chapter is super purple prosey) or am I thinking of something else?That's quite possible, but that just seems to be how that author writes. They seem to be autistic about world building and info-dumping, they also aren't producing chapters at AI generated speeds.
>>24829637Deadman Walking was in my reading backlog but it got stubbed
>>24829651YOU WILL READ REVEREND INSANITY AND YOU WILL LIKE IT
>>24829662no fuck off
>>24829658nta but just skimmed a few chapters and didn't get that impression, you might be thinking of something else
>>24829616Fuck noI don't want you schizos associated with my pen name
>>24829616It's not any of the meta genres.
>>24829616I suck balls at selling via text blurbs
>>24829651>“I like the footless bird, do you know why?”>He smiled, but the sight was horrifying.>“Why?”>“Because it has no legs, only wings, thus it has no choice but to fly. When it lands, that signifies its destruction."reverend kinosanity
>>24829706PEAKEAK
>>24829616An actual power gamer lives in a litrpg. Someone that actually understands how to get ahead in games, rather than the typical MC that is claimed to be the number one gamer in the world, but never makes decisions like a power gamer.
Fuck off AIjeet, you and your ilk are not welcome here
>>24829719>>>/lit/wg/
>>24829719Interesting but you really shouldn't have started off with porn magazines as an example. Many are going to ignore the content of your post because of this.
>bee sea
>>24829776p-peak?
>>24829616>FFFs need not apply.WHY?
>>24829776Torn.It's shit but it's also more imaginative than half of RR
Been posting for 7.5 weeks. Am I cooked? Keep going?
>>24829807It's over bro. Crash out on twitter and delete everything.
>>24829807400 times more followers than me and he complains.
>>24829807Scummy humble bragging. Die. Explode. Get hit by a pajeet on the highway.
>>24829807>7.5 weeks>I've been posting for almost a year and he's got more than a hundred followers more than meWhat'd you do? Go heavy on ads? Shoutouts? Not fuck up your beginning?
>>24829807Think of your next story and give this one a dignified ending, don't drag it for 1k chapters and use the audience to shill the next story
>>24829822>>24829816Honestly was not being a dick. I joined that Discord group full of RR writers and everyone’s advice has been if you don’t make Rising Stars after 1 month, you missed the boat. I was just genuinely trying to commiserate with some /lit/bros.
>>24829825Did Ads and Shoutouts. One ad had kind of decent CTR. Other two were duds. A few of my shout out swaps made it to the middle of Rising Stars list but honestly saw more conversion on stories whose tone just matched mine better.
>>24829830>Honestly was not being a dick.And yet you haven't favorited FFF-Class Unlucky Antagonist. Curious.
>>24829807That's pretty good. Keep going.
>>24829840Thanks, brother. First person to tell me that outside of one really nice review.
>>24829830450 followers in 7 weeks didn't make rising stars? That's surprising. Are you close?
>>24829776ORC CITY
>>24829864Highest I got was #3 on Horror. Not even close now. But I started posting when all those Evolution Girl stories were dominating. And I can’t get more reviews to save my life. So I think that killed my chances.
>>24829872RIP
>>24829872I did think at the time that the coordinated spam was an attempt to kill off new authors.They've got another one with deckbuilders planned for January too, right when anyone who didn't want to debut during writeathon will try to put out their stuff.
>>24829807I found you, enjoy your 1-star review!
>>24829876I hate it so much man. When I was on the horror list that Rat Girl Evolution story was sitting on top of me the whole time. And that guy hasn’t posted a new chapter in 3 weeks. It was never a good faith attempt at coordinated storytelling and was always a way to game the system. That the mods allowed it just means it’s gonna keep happening.
>>24829883Thanks, brother.
>>24829876>>24829885There was enough pushback that the mods had to pin a cope thread in the forums. They may accept it now, but that was only like twelve or so stories. When these coordinated launches become even more overwhelming, they're going to have to budge.And I'm sorry you got fucked over, anon. I knew it was going to happen to someone. I just didn't expect for it to happen to anyone from here.
I put it off for far too long. New Chapter of Born Under a Black Sun/Raised Under Dark Waves is out! Expect more frequent updates now that I have book 2 planned out
>>24829616I worked hard on it and it means a lot to me when people read it
>>24829920Honestly I don’t know how much that really played a part in me not hitting RS. Maybe a little, but my story wasn’t a crazy hit either. There are definitely stories more successful than mine that got screwed though.
>>24829807Should I add this to the /wng/ author spreadsheet?I haven't thought to do this, since it isn't saying what it is. I could go back through the threads to see if there's authors, but I don't know if it's worth the effort.By using this, anyone who posts stats can be easily found. There was literally only a single result when I searched it.https://stepan.chizhov.com/author-tools/book-search/He's already posted it publicly before without hiding it:https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24743874#p24777486I guess I'll do a search again sometime to find those posting outside of /wng/
>>24829939Well, I assuming he posted that while pretending to be someone else, unless somehow someone else was posting it by chance.
>>24829939If you want, brother.
Is there a reason why your main character has plot armor?...no?
>>24829975he is aryan
>start reading Londoner to Lord>baron's manor described as built entirely with wood>"leather armor">extremely vague descriptions of food and clothing>really just vague everything with no sense of place or time period>people live in vague shacks and huts>currency is 1 gold = 10 silver = 100 copper
>>24829975he spend his money on the "Pay to Win" DLC
>>24829975He has somebody literally telling him the future.
>>24829975The ending of the book is known literally from the title.Which actually caused a bit of a problem because the first half of the fiction is kind of horror, looking back on it. It's horror because the reader has to watch as the author tortures the MC and they simply dread how far it's going to go before something happens and the MC survives an impossible situation (because it is known he will, fate even).The story improved drastically once I got that out of my system and wrote him aura farming and being a normal RR protagonist.>>24829978I was going to start reading that, especially given the massive patreon and tons of ads, until I saw the rating and read the reviews. No thanks. There's already a bunch of LNs I'm behind on or haven't started yet that I KNOW do it better (Realist Hero, for instance).
>>24829975He is the Antichrist
>>24829978>the author doesn’t know the pound sterling has existed in England since the early middle ages
>>24830012Who's besties with Christ, why? Is he stupid?
>>24830021it's pretty clearly not set in "fantasy not-england" but it's still vaguely medieval with swords and shit so there's no real excuse, it's just lazy
Just redownloaded something and discovered I'd read 100 chapters of it despite barely remembering it.
Are there any webnovels set in japan that is shamelessly weeb as fuck, but not complete trash?>Just read narou/translated japanese LNs broMissing the point, I want to see if it's possible for western authors to make something good that has a japanese setting
>>24830024Why shouldn’t you be friends with Christ? Work and private life should be kept separate.
>>24830000>no isekai where the MC is a political scientist who subscribes to an unhinged school of thought ala the Fehlinger Doctrine
I was trying to get my AI wizard friend to generate me some material for an ad but it kept making the character roided so I told him to just tell the AI to generate a flat chested girl and that worked
>>24830042homo
>>24830052a psychic powers having puppet user should be delicate in build and vaguely androgynous, i don't make the rules
>>24830053The puppet master should be tall and ripped. He should also wear a smiling mask.
>>24829975He doesn't.
>>24830074best i can do is abshaving bodyhorror cultivator tomboy who is a bitch to everyone except mc
>>24830032Sounds like a real banger
>>24830035just read KRshit set in japan
>>24830038There are tons of well documented socialist authoritarians' biographies and the histories of their shenanigans. People want fantasy: monarchy, feudalism, swords, magic, 1 gold = 10 silver = 100 copper.
>>24830038Release That Witch is explicitly Dengist
>>24830113*vomits*
>>24828870"expect a pdf"you cannot even upload pdf to royalroad. It is totally unsuited to a serially published work anyway and would be really annoying to download separate files for each chapter. and it also sux for mobile which is where a lot of webfic readers are
>>24829640Eh I tried to but I had to bail. The writing is ok but there is about 30% repeated information per chapter, I mean sure it's not the 50% repition that cultivation novels Powell level fappery induces but it's too much for me. Also I found myself skipping huge swathes of the pov change chapters and still getting the salient dot points from the last couple of sentences. But the real clincher for me was that she is supposed to be stuck in an MMO like world but the game she's stuck in just doesn't sense. Like yeah I get how a habitual user can build up a stockpile of cool loot and event items and shit but it's like the world law only revolves around her party and no one else which makes it a morphic co-op rpg at best but certainly not an MMO. The log horizon vibes were kind of nice but I just couldn't maintain living in the database goggles sorry.
>>24829245you forgot to filter out litrpg
>>24829596The tall tales part becomes more relevant later on, it's not just a goof. But yeah I also expected them to be more literal and was kinda confused when i picked up the novel and he was just a random weak orphan kid.
>>24830169MMOs have main characters tooif you have to ask, you’re not one of them
>>24829560There's an actual talking green hat in ISSTH btw
>>24829618based. a strong recommendation.
>>24829718Name of this Korean madman?
>>24830169>it's like the world law only revolves around her party and no one elseAs far as I can tell it cribs from WoW and similar MMOs, where in lore there's one nameless hero and no one else is really commented on. Then you have raids where the raid is acknowledged (sort of) but again, outside of that, no one else effectively exists >Eh I tried to but I had to bail.Around what chapter/arc did you end up bailing, if you don't mind me asking? Sounds like after she hit Meridian?
>>24830024christ is actually a pretty cool guy this time though
>>24830042i'd click
>>24830188>where in lore there's one nameless hero and no one else is really commented onWhen you're playing playing you might be the "Hero of Westfall" after doing all the the quests in that zone but the Lore never makes mention of any specific player hero.
>>24830188nta but i quit reading around when she got to her old guild house and immediately retardedly picked a fight with the head combat maid for no reason except that the author wanted her to aura farm. just broke my suspension of disbelief because it seemed both stupid and out of character
So am I right in thinking it's a bad idea to debut something right now, with this writing contest thing just around the corner? I don't really want to wait, but I also don't want to screw myself for no reason.
>>24830223can't you simply participate in the righting contest circleshill and collect your free RS
>>24830224My story is already written. I'm just doing some last minute editing. So that would be breaking the rules, unfortunately.
>>24830228Fuck dem rules, how would they even know? Though sure, if you don't want to break the spirit of it then hold off.
>>24830237If we break the rules just to get ahead, then we're no better than our enemies. I don't want to achieve my goals through some underhanded scheme. I want to take the world of writing head-on and prove I'm the number one author.
>>24830243ngmi
>>24829616my mc ends up with 7 wives. his wife, his robot wife, his mom's friend, his mom's teacher, his wife's doctor, his princess wife, and his tomboy wife.
is king arthur stuff ok on royal road or no interest in it there
>>24830256probably not, but I'll read it since I like arthurian references and def not because of FGO.
the worst part about reading a chunk of Londoner to Lord is that I now have a thirst for an actually good version of "modern man isekai'd/transmigrated as lord of bumblefuck nowhere" with realistic engineering and at least semi-historical elements
>>24830185I haven't fully decided yet. I want to do the Writeathon though.
>>24830228>>24830243>The challenge operates on an honor-based system, and as long as you uphold the challenge's spirit, you may tailor it to your specific needs. /.../ Or if you maintain a backlog and intend to release them while concurrently building a new backlog, then that's allowed. However, you must remain true to the spirit of the challenge, meaning you must publish 55,555 words and write 55,555 for the same story, even if the content published and written is not the same but for future chapters. Pic related>>24830254Nice
was thinking about a horizontal + vertical progression system but realized it would not translate well into engaging narrative with steadily rising stakes.
I've been seeing Candle pop up in all sorts of recommended lists for progression fantasy, so I've finally given it a try. It's surprisingly mid. I feel like the pacing of the plot is decent enough, but the characters feel flat, and the setting flatter still. Despite the author proclaiming on every step how dangerous and cutthroat this world is, I don't feel any danger to the main character or his buddies, and most problems are resolved as soon as they're introduced. I think this is mainly because the first big obstacle is resolved via deus ex machina, and, well, most of the following problems are, too. A good example of this is that time the MC gets captured for the mines. It's a good opportunity to have our main guy in some actual danger, and bad vibes. However, his predicament lasts for like four pages, and nobody we actually care about gets hurt in the process. Then he's free, and grinding for his level up or whatever. Also, the setting is even worse. It doesn't feel like a living, breathing world: something that even motherfucking slopper extraordinaire, Brando Sando, can achieve most of the time. It feels like a backdrop for an ARPG that you skip-skip-skip to get to the next progression node in the character build that you've copied from some youtube video. Another thing that grinds my gears about the setting is that characters keep on and on about "sacred artists", the local flavor of cultivators. Them "sacred artists", they sure value honor above all else. Ah, those "sacred artists", they will kill you if you look at them wrong, they will. As opposed to who? You didn't put any civvies in your setting, you fucking retard. Everyone in this setting is a cultivator, every peasant, every baker, candlestick maker and so on. Why would the characters in the world have a distinction between "human" and "cultivator" in such case? Do you realize how retarded that sounds? Oh yes, those oxygen breathers sure are immoral cunts. Those water drinkers, god damn are they assholes. Fuck you.4/10. Thank you for your attention in this matter.
>>24830042Akasofag?
>>24830315Your ramble about sacreed artists is simply because the character is experiencing a tremendous degree of culture shock where even civilians are leagues above his clans topmost experts in power. He cannot distinguish between a martial expert and a shopkeeper because he has been a frog in a well his entire life.The lack of civilians present in the second book is because it is explicitly a Martial expedition to a dangerous ruin. They are in a revetment while an investigation is conducted, not a town.You should drop the series if even basic stuff like that is going to go over your head.
>>24830361What does that have to do with anything? That's not what I'm talking about. That would be a valid retort if the MC was the only character who thinks in those terms, but most PoV characters do. I get what the author was going for, I simply don't like the execution.
I'm almost at the halfway point of my first book after months of going through it. I won't be done till the end of the year at least but I'm happy about how much I've done since I've never actually committed to something more than 5 chapters long. One day you niggas will be reading my slop on royal road, but I doubt I'll drop it all until I've finished the story.
>>24830035Magical Girl Gunslinger, but it is shit and I do not understand its popularity in the rankings, and it's on indefinite hiatus.
>>24830169What annoys me is how she talks about the world (or the narration does) as though she was just as 'inside' the game before the isekai--the familiarity with the lore and magic, etc.
>>24830425The Isekai is just dressing for RR, the exact same story could be told as native fantasy but a character was just frozen in time for 100 years like Aang
If you have contempt and disdain for your readers, how can you be successful?
>>24830457how could you not, if you know what you write is shit, and they gobble it up
>>24830457Plenty of authors hate not just their readers but also the characters they've made a franchise off of. Agatha Christie despised Poirot near the end, and Arthur Conan Doyle tried to be rid of Sherlock Holmes as well before popular demand brought him back.
>>24830457Before posting a chapter, I always expect to get relentlessly shat on, the most minor flaws exposed and ripped apart, like I'm on /wg/, and it always catches me by surprise when the comments are actually praising and everyone understands what I'm going for. How could I not love them? Anons make normal people look like saints.
>>24830188>Outside of raids no one effectively existsWhat are are open world pvp zones?What are pvp battle grounds?What are pvp leaderboards?I hate pvp personally but it is an integral part of any major mmo, then there is the constant nerfing that goes on these days with anything that allows any one subset of players to make a fun jewtube video about.>When did you end up bailing?I first wanted to bail when the pov change to the angst catgirl apprentice happened. Second time was the retarded train defence to make the npc's seem relevant. Third was the fight at her old manor house. Fourth was when she insta rejected the potential of unlocking the grav archmages legacy. The fifth and final was the repeated refusal to get her tsundere furry apprentice to come clean about what got her expelled.
2k per chapter or 4k?
Everybody "cheats" at writeathon, right? Every post I see about it is someone barely disguising the fact that they've been writing for it for months.
>>248305952K if you're posting 2-3 times per week4K if you're posting once a week
>>24830600I started writing yesterday and wrote ~800 words in 6 hours
>>24830600>barely disguisingIn previous writathons, people dumped like 250k words without any shame. I don't know how you could be any more blunt about cheating
>>24830600I didn't cheat the one time I tried it. Just barely made it, had to write for like 30 hours straight near the end.
What do you win by participating in the writathon anyway? Wont there just be more crabs?
>>24830618le author premium to soothe stat autism
>>24830625I mean more in the sense of, what does the author truly gain from posting their work during the writathon and not some other time, other than the meaningless XP and premium rewards? Do readers trawl through the dumped works, even if they are extra sloppy?
>>24830629Why do you assume there's some deeper reason beyond "it's something you can do with others"?
>>24830618You get put in the writathon winner section that gets randomly shuffled every day.
>>24830640This used to be decent free advertisement but in the past few years the list has grown longer than the record of passengers to Auswitch, discoverability is no less shit than normal
>>24830457becoming successful is what creates that disdain lol
Would making my story episodic work for a serial webnovel? I was thinking of having every chapter be an "episode" with it's own arc and maybe even have "seasons" that encompass the longer, multichapter arcs.
>>24830807how long would each of these episodes be
>>24830807People hate episodic content. Your webnovel must always be building up to something.
why is discussion about stories in this thread just an endless stream of nitpicky whining? honestly worse than royalroad commenter and reviewershaven't seen someone talk about what they liked and why they liked it in forever
I put a flashback scene into my first chapter.
>>24830809As long as it takes to set up and resolve the conflict for that particular episode. If I do decide to go this route, I'd probably set some harder limits to each chapter.>>24830813It would be building up to something, the episodic thing is just more of a question of structure
>>24830826not true1) RI dude is spamming why he likes it2) we always have a noob per thread ask for our favourite stories
>>24830807There are a lot of "ifs". Depends on how "episodic" you want this episodic content to be, your intended audience, etc.But yes, it would hurt your overall popularity, yes. People need a reason to be looking forward to the next chapter.
How would a minion of the gods obtain the power to resist them?convincingly speaking
>>24830837pact with a dark god or other being that has meaningful drawbacks
>>24830837A deal with the devil. If the devil can resist that he can grant you the same ability.
>>24830837Trickster god instilled a flaw in the minion at creation. Outwardly it appears as a physical defect the minion has been self conscious of his entire life. In reality, it’s what lets him defy the gods.
>>24830837goddess sex
>>24830837Humans can create things that can kill other humans. Why can't Gods?
>>24830826I liked archmage but unironically, on foreign shores we die, and a couple other like nuclear spring.https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119306/nuclear-spring-rrcm-june-2025Kaiju story was also really great but the author deleted his rr account. Shame, it was pretty good.
>>24830830>As long as it takes to set up and resolve the conflict for that particular episode. If I do decide to go this route, I'd probably set some harder limits to each chapter.That's just meaningless palaver. Put a hard number on it, please.
>>24830841>>24830844Unfortunately, that's not an option since he's already the minion of an evil god>>24830854Naturally, the gods could do that. But this is just a god's minion.Granted, this minion was created to assist in killing gods, albeit in a roundabout manner by killing everyone on their planet such that the evil god can engage the opposing gods in direct combat. But nobody would make a weapon that could so easily be easily turned on themselves
>>24830826I just gushed about the story I was reading last thread. And even some of the stories I rag on on here, I talk about their good points in other posts
>keeps posting reverend dogshit
>>24830872
>>24830879green hat immortal venerable...
>>24830882>>24830879it gets way worse lmao
>>24830837>story has "gods">they're just slightly stronger dudes
>>24830866>Unfortunately, that's not an option since he's already the minion of an evil godpact with a virtuous god with meaningful drawbacksthe point is, the only way gods will feel like gods is if their downfall comes about from another member of the pantheon, or at least some being on equal power.you could probably manage something else, but it would require loads of setup and would be contextual to the story and setting. gods-feuding-with-gods is the only thing that will be instantly accepted.
>>24830525>I first wanted to bail when the pov change to the angst catgirl apprentice happened. Second time was the retarded train defence to make the npc's seem relevant. Third was the fight at her old manor house. Fourth was when she insta rejected the potential of unlocking the grav archmages legacy. The fifth and final was the repeated refusal to get her tsundere furry apprentice to come clean about what got her expelled.Lol that's like a third of the story. Why did you keep reading that far?Maybe I drop stuff too easily but I can't comprehend this mindset desu. I'll maybe give a well-recommended story some benefit of the doubt, but there's no way I would keep reading after the third event that upset or bored me. One or two MAX
>>24830895Good dialogue. Better than anything that rothfuss wrote or the typical stuff posted on rr (though nowhere close to RI peak quality)
>>24830837Why have gods in the first place? It's a shitty trope bordering on religious stuff.I guess it's an American thing.
>>24830911It's just a staple fantasy trope. And to be fair, it's not -that- common. At least in the sense where the gods are explicitly characters rather than parts of the local religion that may or may not be realI don't think it's a shitty trope. Which stories have you read that execute it really poorly? Most that actually include them tend to be alright from my memory
>>24830915A lot of rr litrpg and progression stories have them. I can't remember the specific names because I drop by chapter 50 the latest. Usually if it's a system litrpg then there will be classes, like priest, and that leads to gods and angels, demons etc, it's just lame af
>>24830933Ah, I'll admit I don't work the slop minesI think it's fine if the gods are mentioned but not confirmed as real, or implied to be sapient beings with goals and basically just "stronger humans" like another anon said. but I haven't actually run into that. it's usually backdrop lore info, or when they are confirmed, the gods are forces of nature more than people
new chapter /wng/ what do you think?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpLQgT1BfL0https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/this-middling-young-master-will-comprehend-dao-and-plunder-legacies.1237343/page-2#post-116355940
>>24830901>virtuous godNot really a thing.As far as gods go, the premise is this:Gods are a sort of spiritual projection formed by life. The thoughts and experiences of living things resonate and form a collective being. This collective being gradually obtains a mind of its own, and can influence life in turn.However, gods cannot directly manifest in physical reality. They can only exist on a plane of pure thought.The God of Earth is an especially ancient and powerful god, the manifestation of billions of years of competition, slaughter, death, and rebirth. The nature of life on Earth deeply affect the nature of Earth's God, and the nature of Earths' God deeply affects the nature of life on Earth. Though this positive feedback loop, it has developed an almost suicidal desire for self improvement and expansion, far beyond that of other gods. It's the crystallized essence of evolution.It's goal is to expand and conquer.The main character gets isekai'd. His task is to genocide the isekaijins in the name of the Earth God. This will greatly weaken the gods of that realm. Existing as pure thought with hardly any living beings to resonate with, they will be weak and brittle. Enough for the Earth God to fully subsume their planet and populate it with his own life.The isekai realm gods are not nearly as powerful as the Earth God, even though it may seem so at the start of the story. They're stagnant and don't have the same desires as the Earth God, and they don't push for the development of life in the same way. They're not really any more good or moral than the Earth God, though.The setup of this means that one solution is to just figure out how to get back to Earth, then kill everything on Earth to kill the Earth God. Which is one direction I could go, but I'm not so sure about that. It's kinda bleak.
>>24830962with a premise like that you might as well go full Chinese and make the MC obliterate the Jews as Earth God’s chosen people, much as in the tradition of the Chinese where the MC will almost always destroy all other countries and races except for Han Chinese; and justify it with the claim that only the Han Chinese have souls and that white/black or non-Chinese features come exclusively from evolution. ending in the rationalization that non-Han Chinese are merely highly evolved animals and not human.
>>24830962Natives to the other world are called natives, not isekaijin. Isekaijin refers to invaders.
>>24830909come on man at least try
I remember reading the isekai smartphone light novel--there's some heavenly empire clearly modeled after China. The author then starts immediately bashing its citizens unprompted, calling them all untrustworthy, frauds, thieves and incompetent. In some later installment, some alien creatures come and absolutely destroy the country, and the MC holds the line at the border so that the creatures don't spill over to the civilized countries.
Are the beta readers in the cabal discord doing it for free? I'm not really understanding the dynamic.
>>24830992>Chinese WNs don’t even try to hide their power levels and espouse Total Non-Han Death>Korean WNs somewhat mask their power level but it immediately slips whenever the Japanese are mentioned>Japanese WNs will only go as far as making insinuations about other groups in East Asia, complaining about their complaining which they see as nonsensical pearl clutching
>>24830997>Korean WNs somewhat mask their power level but it immediately slips whenever the Japanese are mentionedIf you want to really see the Korean psyche read God of Cooking. He's so worshipful of the yanks lol
>>24831008yet in korean gate/dungeon WNs Americans end up being arrogant antagonists. to be fair, from what I’ve read, most american antagonists tend to come from LA.
>>24830992lol
>>24831013holy kek, even better than I remembered
>>24830837Just outevil him.
>>24830996not sure but i bet not many people are actually beta reading, i bet lots of people are just posting and asking for itand if people really are beta reading, I bet they're expecting shoutouts for their own fiction
Can somebody help me remember the name of a web novel?>wuxia setting (might have been korean though)>MC is some scholar dweeb who doesn't use martial arts (and this is the entire "hook" of the novel)>prostitute love interest>time skip happens and the MC asspulls an order of secret assassinsI dropped it after the last point but I'm ready to give it another try. But I can't fucking remember what the novel was called.
>>24831013i have the sneaking suspicion the author might used to do business with the Chinese
What do we think about "dying in game = dying in real life" stories? Completely outdated and dead or still in demand?
>>24831067just make the game world real
>>24831038Ok how bad is jacques considering this dude was in slaaneshi-esque pleasure cults and he's not the devil.
>no niggas writing webnovels about daoist niggas trapping spirit herbs to get out of their dao-ghetto and rise up to be the strongest trapper (not a rapper) there wasain't that bout a bitch?
>>24831117"Dao of the Wigger." "Path of the Pigmentless"
>>24831117you would think the average cultivator does not get up to niggardly behavior already>date rape dual cultivation>gibs me dat artifact>activates trap array>i dindu nuffin>the Heavenly Court are all pigs
>>24830961Thanks for reminding me the movie came out so i can go see it tonight, and thanks for not spoiler tagging your thoughts on it. Your prose and style is still a incredibly incoherent schizo stream of hot mess. You're improving, just sideways, drunkenly.
>>24831125>Your prose and style is still a incredibly incoherent schizo stream of hot mess. You're improving, just sideways, drunkenly.and i would not have any other way, thanks for the pick me up anon it did me good
>>24831104>Pleasure cultThe Infinitesimal Butterfly is a little more than that.>How evil is JacquesThe most evil being in fiction.
>>24831123Single mothers are surprisingly not that common though.
>>24831135yeah because if you kill a cultivator you're probably gonna eradicate his family incl. the cats and dogs
>>24831135single fathers, and all of them are terribleall the bitches get on the gangbang
>>24831133the resident cultivation seniors probably have something to say about that latter statement.
>see a lot of glazing for Sky Pride's power system, characters, etc but apparently even these celebrated pearls in its crown jewels pale in comparison to the truly exceptional writing and prose >check it out I can't comment on the power system yet but this writing is pretty bad. I've read far better prose on animanga roleplay forums in my jcink autism days. Is this really the gold standard of web fiction prose? I even saw someone (here?) mention Pale Lights and APGTE as having good prose too but I found those disappointing as well. To clarify, I'm not in this looking specifically for good prose at all and am fine with simple "workmanlike" or even slightly below average writing but when people give certain works a special mention because of their prose, I'm gonna expect a bit more than the level I'm seeing...
>>24831145nobody cares about prose /wg/ bro
>>24831145>I can't comment on the power system yet but this writing is pretty bad. I've read far better prose on animanga roleplay forums in my jcink autism days.which chapter you on and what is your MBTIfunny theory i got is that similar types want to read similar writingsgo through a MBTI text checker and you will start to believe
>>24831145Sky Pride is on the higher end of things as far as prose goes, yes. Especially for xianxia, which labors under the double yokes of being written by underpaid slaves of some CCP-owned company and being translated by underpaid slaves of pigdog capitalists.
>>24831123>the Heavenly Court are all pigsThis is correct. I hate Heavenly court.
>>24831143I'm referring to the current social, cultural, and political climate. Nowadays, we have a widespread set of principles to define a person as evil. Therefore, if we judge with that scale, then Jacques is the most evil being in fiction.
>>24830992Dammit did you really have to sell it that effectively? It's like three dozen volumes.Sigh... picked up.
>>24831119>>24831123>sacred spirit weapon is a Glock
>>24831161>pitbull spiritual beasts>crack addict demons
>>24831162>dangerous spirit realm trial by fire is a regular basic clean well-kept grocery store
>>24831168>White Devil Supreme Klan Crusader Kyle>Ebony Beauty Tynah
>finished final chapter of my book this morning>it's cathartic as fuck>only have an epilogue to go and I can focus fully on the writathonMan it feels so good to have the ending written. Nothing better than a happy ending with everyone getting a chance to farm a bit of aura.
>>24829628>filtered by a monster girl waifu romance I just want Desde
>>24829628What is it anon? I’ll give it a read.
>>24831183Bro I just honestly don't think I have the IQ to understand, to even parse the sentences that make up that poem/story/whatever. It's beyond me. I can tell there's something there, but it eludes my grasp.I am accepting my limitations.
>>24831197Sorry, I'm too much of a paranoid schizo to link it here.
>>24831172>Ebony Beauty TynahThe weave she wears was made by someone two cultivation realms above her and the region she lives in, and casts an attractive glamour upon her secretly fat niggress appearance
>>24831205>White Devil Supreme Klan Crusader Kyle falls for it
>>24831205No smut, please.
>>24831149not from /wg/ and I mentioned specifically that I don't really care about prose either. Maybe my point got lost but I'm commenting more on fans thinking Sky Pride's or Pale Lights' or APGTE's prose is notably exceptional when celebrating other strengths probably makes more sense >>24831150Chapter 6 and my MBTI is INFPplease share more of this theory >>24831152Interesting. I've read Chinese and Japanese web novels in their native language and the average level of prose was much higher than what I've encountered in the western web novel space. It's a shame translations aren't communicating that
>>24831222It would be your typical "overthrow local rulership" subplot.
>>24831230chapter 6 isnt even the begining anon, read on at least until he enters the sect, the lastest chapter after he get out of the desert and into the pstd therapy ship has its peak moments and dialougefurther more on the theoryhttps://www.uclassify.com/browse/g4mes543/myers-briggs-type-indicator-text-analyzer?input=Texti use this and copy and paste the entirety of chapter 6 into the analyzerit comes up INTJ, i really like sky pride and am an INTJ, i dunno how to thoroughly test this so its a funny insinuation from me more than a theory
>>24831243MBTI is astrology for redditors, anon. Grow up.
>>24831248last i heard /r9k/ has a general for it
>>24831252It's not a valid scientific personality test anon.IQ+OCEAN is all you need.Don't do this for writing though, use allegorical archetypes instead. They're more entertaining.
>>24831243Don't worry I haven't dropped it. So far, I think it's fine. Again, I was just expressing disappointment about the mismatch from reviews putting its prose on a pedestal and what I've read so far. I'm looking forward to learning more about power system and characters which I suspect are going to be its real strengths >insinuationFunnily enough, I just plugged in my own writing and it came up with my type. Pretty cool, thanks for sharing!
>>24831259OCEAN is big five?i also hear that wagies are being forced to do iq they also do big five?>>24831261desert arc and ptsd ship are good anon>insinuationyeah i ran with my story into the night and its morning now, i got thinking left to make this insinuation solid, and it is pretty cool how the analyzer works yeah?
>>24831230>not from /wg/ and I mentioned specifically that I don't really care about prose either. Maybe my point got lost but I'm commenting more on fans thinking Sky Pride's or Pale Lights' or APGTE's prose is notably exceptional when celebrating other strengths probably makes more senseI can really only assume you don't read most popular serials then. Sky Pride or EE's prose is several full tiers more readable and even enjoyable in its own right compared to many big serials (I'm thinking stuff like void herald's work or primal hunter or azarinth healer and so on).No, we don't mean it has objectively good prose like famous literary works. They do have prose so much better than other serials that it's worth noting as a major positive.And if you disagree, can you name what serials you think has actually good prose? Not as a contrarian sort of gotcha, just so I can know what you personally consider good
>>24831243INTJ space opera bros... give me your space opera stories youre reading that isnt How the stars turned red or yellow typhoon...
>>24831292The only two space operas I really enjoyed were tradpub: Kevin Anderson's Saga of Seven Suns and Peter Hamilton's Commonwealth universe stories. I also enjoyed Herbert's Dune and Hamilton's Salvation Sequence, but I don't really consider those space operas.I don't know of any webnovel space operas at all, let alone any of quality. The threshold for a good one is just so high I feel like a professional editor is totally necessary.
>>24831300Its pretty meowover
What's the better word processor for copy pasting into RR, Word or Google docs? I just tried pasting my shit from Google docs into Word and the spacing got all fucked up.
>>24831332gdocsbut either way you might end up suffering from "double line break" and have to fix it (to prevent this, maybe, you can turn on clean paste)
>>24831332Word is designed as the universal standard, so I use it a middleman between every site. Under the hood, copy pasting is actually complicated as fuck with dozens of different standards, but for example, Scrivener design their program to allow copy-pasting from and to Word properly, and Royalroad or Spacebattles do the same--so Word always works as a middlemanI have no clue how you go from Docs to Word and have shit break. Makes me think user error to be honest
>>24831341Well, it doesn't break per se, it's more so that I need to press enter twice on Docs to get a suitable space, while it's just the one on Word. There's probably a setting for it anyway.
>>24831346lol yeah it's the 'add space after paragraph' setting in docs, in the paragraph/spacing menu section. I guess word defaults to it but docs doesn't (wouldn't know, i use scriv)
>>24831346>>24831363also you really REALLY should not be hitting enter twice, you're gonna fuck up your life when time comes to format your book in various ways. this holds for manual tab indenting toolearn how to use your word processors guys. no excuse
>>24831364Word processors don't work. They are all crap. There's a reason why programmers, who write more text than anybody, don't have word-processor-like formatting systems.
>>24831332I write in Obsidian and then copy it into docs and RR from there.Docs mainly just for an online backup
>>24831341The universal standard is a .txt file that you copy paste from into everywhere else, because Notepad++ doesn't destructively edit what you write.
>>24831368>There's a reason why programmers, who write more text than anybody, don't have word-processor-like formatting systems.the reason is they have a different suite of needed tools specific to writing code, which is different from prose, so they use IDEs lmfaothere's "a reason" to use your words that most professional authors do, in fact, choose word processors to write in. i mean, you can be autistic if you want and use your funny lightweight markdown linux editors or whatever you're implying is better, but don't pretend it's the optimal decision(surely you weren't suggesting an IDE?)
>>24831374how do you do italics? indents? spacing?this thread's autism is really showing all of a sudden. sometimes i forget what sorts of creatures reside here
Where can I buy followers for RoyalRoad? I don’t care anymore. Everyone games the algorithm anyway. I just want to pay pajeets to get me to the top.
>>24831386royalroad is too niche to have services like that silly(actually not true, I've seen a botted story before, but it was so painfully obvious that it got banned within hours. the story just randomly launched up +500 followers in like 30 minutes lmfao)I don't think any bot farms are smart enough to understand how to be subtle, not for a site as unimportant as RR
>>24831376>the reason is they have a different suite of needed tools specific to writing code, which is different from prose, so they use IDEs lmfaoExplain all the vimtards and nanotards and what not. Their "need" basically boils down to "stop automatically editing my shit". That's a pretty universal complaint about Excel and Word as well.>there's "a reason" to use your words that most professional authors do, in fact, choose word processors to write in.I'm not convinced. Most of them probably got stuck with whatever they first started writing in and aren't capable enough to choose something else. Why else would some of them autistically still use typewriters or ancient word processors? It's clearly not for the features.>surely you weren't suggesting an IDE?I'm not really suggesting anything, but if you want ease of editing then you don't want there to be hidden (formatting) data attached to your text when you move it to other programs. That's how you end up with fucked up formatting. Copy paste your text into something like notepad and then copy paste it further from there if something isn't behaving.
>>24831381You add those edits in the place you actually publish on and/or write your text in markdown format. They all have their own stupid quirks and systems.
>>24831399>Explain all the vimtards and nanotards and what not.Why would I have to explain a niche minority of autistic coders? Most people use major IDEs. The vimtards are the exception that prove MY point, not yours.>I'm not convinced. Most of them probably got stuck with whatever they first started writing in and aren't capable enough to choose something else. Why else would some of them autistically still use typewriters or ancient word processors? It's clearly not for the features.I don't necessarily agree with the "most used is best" argument, but you were the one who used that argument so I turned it around on you. You said coders write the most text and they use feature-rich IDEs. So that's what writers should! Just a dumb point all around>>24831399>I'm not really suggesting anything, but if you want ease of editing then you don't want there to be hidden (formatting) data attached to your text when you move it to other programs. That's how you end up with fucked up formatting. Copy paste your text into something like notepad and then copy paste it further from there if something isn't behavingThere isn't an alternative. Using plaintext or markdown will only cause more issues, because they work even worse for pasting into various websites like royalroad, much less when time comes to format for .epub>but it's not perfectno shit. still the best option for actual writers where it doesn't just sit on your harddrive, only for you to ever look at.
>>24831407that's significantly more troublesome than spending 5 whole minutes to learn how spacing, indenting, and extremely basic formatting works on Word
>>24831414>on Word(And other major word processors like Docs and Scrivener, if you're using Word as the middleman. They all generally use the same concepts and will copy-paste properly if you're using those features like after-paragraph spacing or ruler-based indenting)
>>24831042Is the MC a vampire?
>>24831424No, he was just some guy. He also did ancient chinese exercises to keep in shape but refuses to learn martial arts.
What's wrong with writing in notepad?
>>24831446you can't use italics
>>24831446no -- emdash replacementno way to break up and navigate through chaptersweak search and replace functionno italics, no bold, no formatting at allhave to hit enter twice for empty lines, which as previous anon found out, doesn't copy paste well to sitesi mean i would go on but this feels like a troll question. surely none of you are actually using plaintext? markdown tards at least can format
>>24831459Emdashes? What are you, some kind of clanker?
oh and most importantly: no cute curled quotation marks for dialogue
>>24831462Literally unusable
Best font to write web serials in?
I grew up writing things by hand so I'm allergic to formatting. I won't use any word processor with a font and text size select.
>>24831473comic sans
>>24831477why aren't you still writing by hand? sellout
>>24831473Who cares. Readers can select the one they like best.
>>24831117>dark mages (wizzas)>paladins always tryna keep a wizza down>crypt lord necromancers vs blood mages>brewing illegal potions>witchesFantasy makes more sensehttps://youtu.be/CMyvIDLAub8?si=UConSN0p0UxSWv9O
>>24831485nah i mean as comfy AESTHETICS, ribbed for the writer's pleasureyou're a liar if you can write without paying attention to the font you're writing in. or just not autistic enough, but this is 4chan, so I find that unlikely
>>24831486>potion of resist arrestHearty kek
>>24831490> not autistic enough, but this is 4chan, so I find that unlikelyCourier New obviously. The choice of purists and autistics everywhere.
>>24831399>Copy paste your text into something like notepad and then copy paste it further from there if something isn't behaving.>Completely erases all italics and other formattingWhy the fuck would I do that
>>24831414>>24831418Yeah, and then over the years you will constantly spend time fixing all the shit Word randomly broke for you.
If anyone is interested in a very sappy, anime-inspired, short romance story I wrote on a whim years ago:https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/137161/another-word-for-the-days-we-spent-alone-but-together
>>24831696What a shit title
>>24831696Enjoy your 1-star review, anon!
Shoutout from a guy with two 7k+ follower fics: SECUREDIt galls and disgusts to admit that networking (read "networking" with the same inflection one would use for a venereal disease) has paid off for me
>>24831707happy for you bro...
>>24831696>very sappy, anime-inspired, short romanceNO THANKS.
>regression story>mc only regresses once, at the start of the storyJust give the MC a fucking system at that point you lazy retard
>>24831536>>Completely erases all italics and other formatting>Why the fuck would I do thatThat's the entire point of doing this. If you don't do that you get shit like this: >>24831332This is also how we end up with stories switching fonts in the middle of a paragraph and other nonsense like that.
>>24831702Thank you very much for reading. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the story. >>24831698It's somewhat tongue-in-cheek. >>24831716I understand.
>>24831737That's the genre anon, you seem to want a time loop
>>24831707How much grovelling did it involve or did you merely highlight your vibe as a Chill Guy™?
Litrpg about killing monsters and diving dungeons. Should MC be a loner? Have a partner? Have an entire party?
>>24831811Have a circle of acquaintaces but not quite a party.
>>24831792He showed him his bussy
>>24831811Loner books seem to do well but stories with no actual dialogue or characters get so fucking boring.
>>24831811From digging into RR and plebbit it seems the average litrpg reader find parties confusing and prefer loners.They might be okay with duos but then they expect one to be the primary MC and the other to be secondary which can result in them getting mad when the one they personally like more isn't the primary MC.
>>24831832This is why Super Supportive (whose big first arc was still the protagonist on their own lol) stood out to me.Like it's fucking glacially paced and the characterisation drifts a fair bit but holy shit this thing has people who exist outside of the protagonist.
>>24831792He offered it a while ago when I was talking about launching the novel and brought up shoutouts. A couple people offered, him included. I just went "hey does the offer still stand" and it did.Realistically though you could probably just cold-message a bunch of authors and have a real chance of getting free shoutouts.
While we're talking about shoutouts so many of them are badly written.I'm constantly looking for new shit so I already read them and they've gotta lead to me looking into a story less than 10% of the time.
>>24831852>so I already read them*so I always read themjesus christ maybe I should be a RR blurb author
>>24831770>regression onceLazy as fuck explanation for randomly giving the MC ebin cheats and advantages. Sloppiest of sloppa, often found in urban cultivation gate slop or vrslop.>regression multiple timesActual plot device with consequences. Basically necessitates that the main character struggles despite their advantages.Regression isn’t the same as time loop either.
I did this to myself. Never take a one month break
>>24831875rip bozo
>>24831638Skill issue, genuinely
>>24831878There is only one author ITT who would ever type rip bozo. Your new chapter views aren't doing to hot either, buddy
New bread fookin when
>>24831865Peak
What's up with stories often have a really weird low-rated review as the most upvoted (usually some "it wasn't what I wanted" bullshit rather than an assessment of the story) and then the usual 5 star parade? Do people just assume the one negative review is more useful.
>>24831898Wait for fucking page 10 and lurk moar newcutie
>>24831903Yes. People upvote reviews they agree with.
>>24831904Oh, so now I'm cute?
>>24831903No, its selection bias. The people who vote on reviews have read the story, and active readers going to the reviews section is predominantly disgruntled people dropping it and wanting to down vote the story (via upvoting the top negative review). far less common for happy readers to randomly prance over to the review section and upvote stuff
>>24831903https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13496.A_Game_of_ThronesThe top 3 most liked reviews are 1 stars. Sometimes it's just a vocal minority who feels very strongly about it.
>>24831911>>24831931kek, they want to leave a mark but are either too chickenshit or lazy to write their own review
The magic academy setting seems very convenient for establishing early elements of my story. Are there any good arguments that I might not be aware of as to why magic academy is actually the worse thing ever?
>>24831955it sux
>>24831892>There is only one author ITT who would ever type rip bozoWho? I'm not familiar with thread autism drama
>>24831986Me
>>2482884>Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and moreFor the purpose of this general, only Royal Road seems to matter.>If you enjoy having millions of words A complete exaggeration that has nothing to do with the usual experience. Far less than 1% have even a million and most of these have relatively few readers. Even if you say, "The Wandering Inn though...", that's still only one story and not a majority of readers experience.>Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.This doesn't happen, at least definitely not here, and probably not much elsewhere either.> Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon.What evidence is for this happening in any meaningful way anywhere other than Royal Road?>Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:Is Sanderson even relevant to this?>Recommended web novelsI'm skeptical that this is any better than just picking at random from some top list rather than reflective of what's most enjoyed here. Even after considering >implying we read >Anon's guide to success>meaningful readership (4k+ followers)if you aren't in the top ~1% of ongoing, it's not meaningful apparently>I have a lot more than 4k Believe him, he's surely in the Top 50 of all ongoing followers!>Run a site advertisement (55 USD) or severalJust spend 100s of dollars, surely it'll work it. >*If you're poor and hate networking, roll over and die like a dog. The most sincere part of the whole guide. >If I haven't mentioned it here, it doesn't fucking matter I am the one truth path, believe in me, or perish. >anyone can delete the rentry at will for bothThe only reason it hasn't been vandalized is because no one cares enough to do so.
>>24832027what even prompted this meltdown?
>>24832038we seem to get a lot of people who are clearly on the spectrum having melties ittSFF had it's pricks but they were usually typical forum character asshole types
>>24832027Retard, did you really just come into the web serial thread to correct the statement>web serials tend to be very longNo fucking way that just happened
>>24832045It's the cycle of newfrens hyping themselves up into thinking they're going to get rich quick and then realizing that no they're not.
>>24832051seeing how he's freaking out about the pretty standard advice in the basics guide, i would guess something more along a newfag/integrityfag type
>>24831197https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/128737/the-wheel-and-the-wing
read Reverend InsanityNOW!!!!
UH OH SPERG MELTY
>>24832027>Anon's guide to successHi, yes that's me>if you aren't in the top ~1% of ongoing, it's not meaningful apparentlyCorrect, it's a guide discussing how to be successful. 99% of people are not successful. Let's not devolve into a pedantic discussion about how to define success though, it's clear I mean an actual royalroad "hit"If you're happy writing to small audiences and making some beer money, totally fine. The guide is a primer on how the royalroad meta works, and how you should launch with highest odds for reaching RS and picking up thousands of followers within 3 months of launch>Believe him, he's surely in the Top 50 of all ongoing followers!There are some guides that echo what I say out there, like FirstDefier's and several others, if you want people who put their name behind it. I don't want to tie to 4chan for obvious reasons though. Whole point of the site is anonymity.>Just spend 100s of dollars, surely it'll work it.No, it'll only work if you have something on market, good, or preferably both. Not sure why you assumed it was a cheat code. It's advertising, my guy, you still need a product people want to buy into(Didn't I literally say in the guide that you might do all this and still not succeed, and have to try again, and that that's normal?)>most sincereYeah it's pretty unfortunate, but it's borderline impossible to make it on royalroad as a new author unless you get shoutouts or run ads. Especially with AI nonsense polluting the new stories page, killing off the few readers who use to frequent it. I sympathize with how awful that is, but I'm telling it to anons straight.>I am the one true pathI have a lot more opinions on this topic actually, I condensed it down to the undeniable truths. My specific 'one true path' guide would have a lot more unsubstantiated advice and personal opinions and philosophies tacked on. The basics guide is just a regurgitation of what all the big guides and authors advise new authors on RRIf you think something I said was wrong, I'd honestly be interested in chatting about it, but I suspect you have no clue how RoyalRoad or even the serial scene at large works just based on the general content of your post. I daresay I even think this post was a driveby by a disgruntled /wg/er, for some reason
Read it right NOW!!!...OR ELSE...
>>24831904Hiromoot put a filter on "fag"?
>>24832144onions and fag huh
>>24831986A tranny who constantly spams his garbage
what if RI anon is the author of RI?
>>24832149tough luck getting past the great firewall of chinaalso new bread when?
>>24832153Wait for page 10 and lurk more
>>24832144newfag detected
now that this thread is ending, what are the most unhinged sentences you’ve read in a WN?
NewfagFagfag
>>24832170NewcutieCutiecutieweird
>>24832055>integrityfag Oh hey, I came out with that one
>the abyss>the apocalypse>the void>the dungeon>the towerwhy are litrpg authors so against just setting something in the actual world where there's people and stuff beyond monster fighting?I think it's why ghost in the city overtook all of them despite being mary sue fanfic
>>24832162What kind of turbofaggot do you need to be to write newcutie instead of just newfag/newfren
>>24832179I don't understand idea behind novels where mc is transported to some dungeon and the goal is to survive and reach the lowest level of some shit.Is it some kind hunger games but in wn litrpg format? Never really understood the appeal of hunger games either.
>>24832182Kek actually made me switch to another browser and a vpn to check
>>24832179What purpose does a lived-in world serve? Gotta strip it down to the necessities because readers won't care to remember your donut steel setting anyways.
wtf I didn't type onions?
>>24832189It's the goal in classic roguelikes like uh... Rogue itself and Nethack.Aslo a lot of modern games use it like Slay the Spire.
What percent of RR readers are autistic and as a result, prefer 1st person solo mc because they can't imagine being with others and don't have a theory of mind that allows for accepting others exist and matter?
>>2483221099% of them
>>24832179It lets the real world have more standard/logical construction while the "zoned areas" can be as batshit wild as the author wants.
>>24832189https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeon_crawl
Get in here, let's try for a thread without a meltie and no retarded questions!>>24832223>>24832223>>24832223