Reverend insanity now

>>24832223
Was going to do another Bread with moonrunes, but didn't want to push my luck with two in a row... sorry.

>>24832210
0%. 1st person pov is preferred but they also want a "party", a love interest, harem etc

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who is your favorite reverend insanity character?

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new chapter /wng/ what do you think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpLQgT1BfL0

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/this-middling-young-master-will-comprehend-dao-and-plunder-legacies.1237343/page-2#post-116355940

as a question to the thread i will need some volunteers to check in this site

https://www.uclassify.com/browse/g4mes543/myers-briggs-type-indicator-text-analyzer?input=Text

type in the favorite part of the webnovel you are reading and see if the author has the same MBTI type as you

>>24832242
Great Love Immortal Venerable my beloved

>>24832242
Dead Wife Demon Venerable for getting it axed so you annoying motherfuckers would have to forever make do with an unfinished novel and fanfics

>>24832254
>implying
RI will return...

>>24832254
I have a feeling that it wasn't even banned. Author just stopped writing it to hype it (and also because he couldn't come up with a good ending)

How fast will my RR account get killed if I paywall the sex scenes behind patreon/subscribestar (maybe posing as "idea drafts" or "unrated chapters")?

>>24832284
>smut
No thanks

>>24832284
post the sex scenes at questionable questing as an alternative

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Use this prose guide to improve your prose:

Show, don't tell. No clichés or filler descriptions. Punchy, clear, action-driven prose (for webnovels). Concrete Anglo-rooted words and strong precise verbs. Sensory specificity. No adverbs and adjectives unless precise or needed. No em-dashes (makes it look like AI slop).

Close POV, character-voice focused. Interior thoughts as reactions, not analysis; think in the character's vocabulary, not the narrator's. Natural, human-sounding dialogue (no one calls the other by their name in dialog). Said/asked only: let dialogue and action carry emotion. Quick paragraph breaks (easier readability).

Prioritize rhythm and clarity. Sentences can be ugly if they're true. Similes based on animals, fighting, nature (for martial arts type stories). No excessive or detached metaphors. Metaphors only if central to scene/character and sustained, not decorative. No overused descriptors. Describe through character perception and bias. One vivid detail beats 3 general ones. No "weight"-based metaphors (over-used, often used by AI slop). No manufactured profundity. Avoid passive voice unless deliberately slowing or obscuring responsibility.

>>24832284
It won't as long as you follow the same guidelines for posting smut directly on RR itself.

>>24832284
I can think of several successful fics that did exactly this and were fine. If in doubt make a support ticket and ask the mods, they're reasonable, surprisingly.

>>24832292
this guide is useless. it's good advice at the core but only someone who already understands these concepts will know what the fuck it's saying or how to apply it. especially with sneaky clarifiers like
>unless precise or needed

so it truly has no reason to exist imo. instead just link chapters inside a specific book or something. way too hand-wavy to be useful for someone who would actually need it

>>24832284
Even if it doesn't get your account killed the readers will hate it.

>>24832284
this isn't against TOS so never?
unless it's some illegal shit, but then it wouldn't be allowed on patreon either

>>24832254
>>24832279
Junior, you have eyes but cannot see Mount Tai. Even a mere wisdom path quasi master could deduce the ending from the author Q&As.

Maybe I shouldn't have made the cast of my smut webnovel be aged 14-18 because it's impossible to ask for feedback anywhere mainstream. If only AO3 had forums.

>>24832333
Make a writing thread on /b/!

>>24832333
Why would you need feedback on sexslop? Isn't the whole point to be as self indulgent as possible with no consideration for other's tastes?

>>24832333
Post it pussy, we had an anon posting a diaper scat fic with six year olds just a few threads ago and he didn't get banned.

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>>24832340
Jesus fucking Christ

I disavow /lit/ as a whole

>>24832223
Gold digging is great and it is worth the wait.

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>>24832292
>put all the different conflicts in my fiction
>nobody notices
>nobody will ever notice
>I will reveal this in the final afterword
>nobody will read that either

>>24832223
>A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more
So we're including fanfiction here?

if I want to tell a story about an MC that is heavily affected by a traumatic event, what is the ideal way to go about it(in a web novel)?
1. start with a chapter or two of the character before the event, then have the event happen and tell the actual story I want to tell
2. Start in the middle of the traumatic event
3. Start after the event and have details of what happened to him slowly come to light over the course of the story

I wrote the first chapter of the story using 3 but due to how people responded I'm having doubts about it. Is learning "What happened to make this guy like this" not something most people find interesting?
To be clear, this is one small factor in a larger story so changing the reveal of it wouldn't kill my desire to write the story.

>>24832369
>1. All literature discussion is welcome, however fan-fic is not allowed.
No, it's the only board rule.
This doesn't answer why LN covers get threads deleted but whatever.

>>24832378
It’s only interesting if the MC is fucked up in a cool way. Not a sad and pathetic way.

>>24832340
What are you even saying? It was posted on Ao3, which obviously allows anything.

>>24832378
Any can work and I'm planning to have a similar structure to a future story, but I'm going with 3.
>starts with the same tone the rest of the story will have
>can have the recollection of the event dribbled out over time so people don't spaz out or get bored
>creates a mild sense of tension whenever I want by having the MC brood or dream about it vaguely and mysteriously

>>24832379
certified janny autistic grudge moment
THEY DO IT FOR FREE

>>24832378
Always 3. Literally one of the defining features of trauma is that it doesn't form accurate memories, so there is no point in giving a full description of the trauma early on.

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>>24832223
>>24832369
>>24832379
This guy i follow, Viva01, only has 2 fanfictions that he writes and he has 2k patreons
I won't talk about his stories since it's against the rules, what i want to ask is how viable is to make a few fanfictions and then switch to proper novel? Would the audience that a fanfiction peddler cultivated read something original? Is it worth the time and effort to pull it off? Do you think it's a viable strategy for building up an audience?

>>24832419
fanfiction readers tend to be pretty stringently loyal to their fandom, not the author. Still, having some audience is always better than none, and if you get a LOT of readers on your fanfic, especially ones from adjacent fandoms like Worm, you could probably beg them to get you onto Rising Stars, at a very minimum. But no, I wouldn't expect a significant conversion, only enough to give you a little boost at the start when you release your original fiction.
That said, you can also make bonkers money just writing straight up fanfiction, so if that's what you like...

>>24832379
pretty sure the logic is that animeshit belongs on the anime board(s). so it would fall under the general off-topic rule. no, i don't agree, obviously, but that's the logic im sure

>>24832382
he's got imposter syndrome and thinks he will get everyone around him killed when he's actually super smart.
I think my initial draft may have overfocused on his delusions of impending failure and didn't highlight enough that he's actually a genius.

>>24832419
>Fanfiction author
The only thing worse then a fanfiction author who makes money off of their slop is one who's anti-Ai.
On a completely related note is there actually a monetarily successful ai webnovel yet?

>>24832379
That thread got deleted because someone was having a melty and spamming and getting reported. The janny just deleted the whole thread because they couldn't be bothered to wrangle it in.

>>24832455
there have been multiple deleted threads, not just that recent one.

>>24832437
i don't really understand why people get mad about monetized fanfiction. artists are making stupid money when they earn all their fans and views etc from fanart, yeah? so you condemn them too I hope

personally I couldn't give a shit about violating mega corpos' copyrights. the only possible reason I can see outrage over it is the logic that it might peeve off companies enough that they come after fanfiction as a whole...but that just seems to insanely farfetched it comes off borderline schizo to me

what's your personal reasoning? i really hope it isn't just that the law is sacred and you're a corpo dicksucker

>>24832437
also i don't agree with the fanfic/AI comparison, i'm sure you're trying to compare copyright violations, but it's very superficial. AI HARMS artists, including big corpo "art". Fanfiction is symbiotic, or at the very least a net-zero. When and how has fanfiction ever hurt the copyright holder? If anything rabid fans and their content creation pulls in more users for them

>>24832292
Dogshit guide

>>24832292
If you write while constantly thinking about these things, you’ll never finish anything.
Do this instead:
1. Outline: Write what happens in the scene in plain language.
It should only be a paragraph long. All a scene needs is a character at a certain location with a specific goal in mind. He takes actions to accomplish his goal but is faced with resistance. And regardless of whether he succeeds or fails, he must face an unforeseen disaster or consequence that propels him into the next scene.
For example, the scene can be about an adventurer navigating through a cave to reach a treasure chest, while fighting the twenty goblins that block his way. He defeats the goblins by exhausting his mana and health potions and manages to reach the chest. But the moment he opens it, it reveals itself to be a mimic and attacks him. The following scene can be either the adventurer trying to defeat the mimic or running away from it.
2. Break down all the steps the character takes to navigate the scene.
The adventurer walked through a cave. He came across a dead end. He spotted a narrow opening with wind coming through. He squeezed himself into the opening and crawled forward. The opening widened, and he found himself in a pitch-black hall. He saw strange yellow eyes glowing in the darkness. He quickly cast a fireball spell. The light revealed twenty salivating goblins blocking his way, and the faint outline of a chest behind them…
3. Put your reader into the MC’s head by applying the modern MRUs:
Stimuli: What the MC sees, hears, smells, tastes, and touches.
- Dozens of yellow eyes glowed in the darkness, and a rotten, animalistic scent assaulted his nose.
Feeling: His emotions or initial reactions toward it.
- Jason’s stomach dropped.
Thought: Show his thought process. This is where you can go full anime and dump your exposition and backstory.
- He knew today had been too easy. Since entering the cave, he’d only come across two slimes and a few harmless cave spiders. He supposed it was high time the true occupants of this cave revealed themselves to him. If only he could see what they were.
Action/Speech: What he does after thinking things through.
- Quickly, Jason summoned a fireball spell and raised his arm high. (New stimuli) The orange light revealed dozens of green humanoid creatures and a carpet of human bones beneath their feet. Goblins!
You don’t need to go through all these steps for each action beat. Only write what’s necessary.
4. Work on improving the prose. Good prose is subjective, and you have a limited amount of time to refine one scene before needing to move on to the next. When in doubt, focus on clarity over trying to sound poetic.
Once you go through all of these, you should end up with a scene that is at least a thousand words long. So realistically, you only need one to three scenes per chapter, plus some summary or time lapse to string the scenes together.

ok going to bed, no one have a meltie before im awake, mom said I could have the next one

are there any WNs where eternal damnation in the setting is as absolute and objective as physics is to our world?

AI detectors are really dogshit. Put some AI generated prose into it and most detectors had it around 10-20% AI or "human written".

Was reading a self pub thing where the person talked about how you want to have three books before you start trying to advertise the first one.

This is for if you have a series. Though it might still work if you have a fan base that jumps from book to standalone book.

It's interesting for me because I'm on book three right now, and I've not done any advertising on RR yet. I wonder if readers will hop onto a series that's 3 books in with more enthusiasm since there's way more to binge.

>>24832223
Do web slop need central themes?
What is the central theme of Tensura?

>>24832555
that's retarded and just a way of getting people to get stuck in the scope creep to weed out potential competition
would it be good? yeah sure
is it a requirement? no and it will likely harm you more than anything

You guys should take a break from all this violence and stuff and read a nice, little romance.

How likely am I to be accused of being a racist if the worldbuilding of my fantasy WN is entirely informed by /pol/x/ schizo infographics?

>>24832596
depends on the audience and subtlety
chinks are hard on racists and so are their readers
gooks are semi racists and their readers are built for BWC
nips are lowkey throwing shade on the previous two for being racist and their readers still insist the dindu nuffin to deserve two nukes

>>24832503
I think your advice is spot on, but I hate it. This particular point is why:
>And regardless of whether he succeeds or fails, he must face an unforeseen disaster or consequence that propels him into the next scene.
I know that you're correct. I know that this is how stories are written, but I think that my brain has caught onto this pattern and expects this. And when my brain catches this in action it makes the entire story feel like a sham.

I am incapable of reading romance because of this. I see that the two love interests are getting together, everything seems great, but my eyes glance down at how much book is still left, and I *know* that something horrible or stupid is going to happen next that breaks them apart for the rest of the story.

I've theorized that maybe this writing pattern is why Chinese stories feel like a breath of fresh air. They tend to let the MC get unambiguous wins without raining on his parade. Instead they do the "frog in a well" pattern later to essentially reset the story.

I don't know. Your advice is solid, but sometimes I just hate it.

>>24832608
>I am incapable of reading romance
You should give one in particular a shot. It's really good.

>>24832608
MC successfully defeats the spoiled young master. The spoiled young master asked his immortal ancestor for help.
MC successfully runs away from the angry immortal, but finds himself in a hidden realm with no way out.
MC successfully finds a weapon and an exit from the hidden realm, but he now has a clingy ghost girl following him and constantly bugs him to avenge her.

>>24832548
Of course. It's fundamentally impossible to tell whether something is AI written or not. The current state is an oddity where a human can sort of tell that something is AI, but not with certainty. Eventually this will pass too.

The reason AI detectors exist is to offload liability.
>AI detector claims to be able to detect AI
>Offers super premium package
>Institution (a university) buys the package
>Scans Document using AI detector app
>Not AI
>Build bridge using Document
>Bridge collapses because Document was AI
>University says "we hired expert to say this isn't AI" and points at AI detector
>AI detector takes all the blame, goes out of business
>6 months later the CEO of AI director starts new company called "AI predictor"
>AI predictor uses new never before seen proprietary AI predicting technology
>They are not at all like old AI detector
And the scam continues.

>>24832613
Yes, but pretty soon MC gets to a point where he roflstomps the immortal ancestor and revels in his victory. A time skip happens and MC decides to move on to the next realm. And in the next realm he's epically strong enough to already deal with 90% of the problems that come his way. He *feels* powerful to the reader.

>>24832292
This was written by AI

>>24832637
I literally wrote it myself over several weeks, adding and removing whenever I changed my mind about one of its elements. Unless you consider grammer/spelling check AI.

>>24832637
That's the joke

I asked an AI to give me a web novel prose guide and it told me a bunch of other shit unrelated to prose like how many words per chapter.
I asked it not do that and it did a bit better but it still didn't give the kind of advice anons post had

The trick is to have such bad grammar, that, no one would ever believe; it was written by an AI—even if you use em dashes.

>>24832688
Let’s all switch to the English en dash – half the audience will think it’s a hyphen, the other half will know you have good taste.

>>24832688
>>24832694
how the fuck do you even make these
- is all i got

>>24832694
Hi, my name is — – —.

>>24832700
Open google docs. Type - twice for an em dash—three times – for an en dash.

>>24832710
thats it?
--- hecking google docs?

Confession: I love writing chappies on my phone throughout the day

>>24832715
I knew a guy who wrote mammoth LitRPG chapters on his phone but he did so because he was genuinely homeless for a while.

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>>24832223
>romance and romantasy is fucking dominating every other genre
>also starting to appear in webnovels
>every plot is still like
>There's always the female protagonist who's had a rough background, yet maintained a good, caring heart through it all. She meets a guy who disadvantages her, but, oh no, he's hot. She has to ignore the fact that he's so distractingly hot (and oh my, his clothes fit him so well) because he's getting in her way. But oh! What if they start flirting? And what if they team up? Cue the most anemic will-they-won't-they sequences. And as it turns out, he's only disadvantaging her because of a misunderstanding, or because he was forced to by his job. I guess the hottest guy she's ever met isn't so inaccessible after all. Often you'll see an obviously second place love interest who's actually kind of annoying, often an overprotective childhood friend. For some extra drama, throw in another girl who also wants the male lead, and is described as more conventionally attractive than the female lead, but she's either incredibly catty or incredibly stupid, and when he figures this out, he runs into the female lead's arms and never looks back.

Why is this so popular, /wng/? Why has it to be has to be disguised by seven layers of irony and convoluted plotting to get the characters together. The guy has to be suave but indirect, the girl has to be stubborn but too insecure to act on her desires. They can’t get together by one of them saying they like the other, it has to be “OHH there’s only ONE BED what are we going to DO??? We can’t SLEEP together, we’re just friends!! Oh well, looks like we have no choice!” Why has romance to be forced into anything at all even if it doesnt fit?

The only thing worse than forced romance is the character quipping every 2 secs.

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I used speech to text to write once never again

>>24832744
That's what women want

>>24832744
The Bronte sisters and their consequences.

>>24832710
>he doesn't copypaste his em dashes from webster's english dictionary
ngmi

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>>24832744
you're learning

>>24832744
people want to be validated for being the losers they are man, same reason isekaiees get harems for being personalityless generics

>>24832745
lol what went wrong?

>>24832711
It sucks how Google Docs can’t handle CMOS ellipses . . . the non-breaking space simply refuses to work on the phone—but that’s all the more reason to drop CMOS… and other style guide for that matter.
Using… with no space at the start feels more natural than … this, or…this, or whatever this is … .
En dash should always be used to indicate ranges like 0–1 and Chicago–New York, no matter what the AP style says.
And spelling out one thousand then switching to 999 or 1,001 simply makes no sense.

>>24832744
It's so popular because publishing houses kept alienating male readers over decades. Something other three quarters of publishing agents are women and they pick stories for women. As a result men just started reading less and the cycle continued.
Men created their own spaces, but obviously that gets invaded over time too, where the stories that were aimed at men are pushed out.

Can somebody help me remember the name of a web novel?
>wuxia setting (might have been korean though)
>MC is some scholar dweeb who doesn't use martial arts (and this is the entire "hook" of the novel, that he never learns any of them)
>prostitute love interest in a brothel
>time skip happens and the MC asspulls an order of secret assassins
I dropped it after the last point but I'm ready to give it another try. But I can't fucking remember what the novel was called.

Is Isekai still popular or has the boom finally cooled off?

>>24832826
Still popular. It's here to stay till this world is one people actually enjoy being in.

>>24832826
The big four are as popular as ever
litRPG
Isekai
Cultivation
Progression

>>24832826
Lol , wtf are these questions?

>>24832806
I know you said he's not a vampire last thread but this is close description of The Scholar Who Walks the Night

>>24832832
But is progression still popular, though? Considering all the max level this and that out there. Or is the key having somebody start out at level 1 before hitting max level by chapter 2? I see plenty of Japanese web novels that do that.

>>24832839
Good question. I think it's still relevant if only because these storjesmwill explode in popularity now that big litrpg names are going trad-pub

>>24832839
Idk
I don't read webnovel slop

Holy shit , how did An Infinife Rscursion of Time get away with so much smut?!

>>24832850
I'll report it and see if it gets away with it

>>24832851
Thanks Satan

>>24832382
mushoku tensei made it work, if its success is anything to go by

>>24832855
It worked because there are tens of thousands of young men in the same mess as the MC in Japan and they could relate. But that only makes it more sad and pathetic, not less.

>>24832859
Well, then it's fine if your MC is sad and pathetic, as long as he is sad and pathetic in a way that is relatable to a lot of people. It would be interesting to know in what ways are people sad and pathetic nowadays, since I can't relate.

>>24832862
>It would be interesting to know in what ways are people sad and pathetic nowadays
Why, all you need to do is look around this website
>I can't relate
Doubt that, since you're here too.

>>24832866
I'm not sad, just pathetic

>>24832466
>>24832471
Fanfiction=unoriginal
Ai=unorigonal
Fanfiction=generated off others content
Ai=generated of others content
You can be a super autistic and claim that usings words someone else has used but in a different order is technically plagiarism but not even bothering to change characters names or place names I just straight up intellectual theft. Worse to then make money off of it? You may as well to continue the logical extension of being an unoriginal fuck and set up a r34 nude gen Patreon account sit back in your faux leather recliner an knock off smoking jacket and vape the rest of your days away.

>>24832892
But what if one writes a fanfiction of say Warhammer 40k and sets it on their own original planet with their own original characters from some of the major factions and have them participate in their own original events?
How is that the same as AI? How is that any worse than Disneys fanfic tier creations after buying the Star Wars ip?

>today
hey my writing is pretty good haha
>tomorrow
this is dogshit. i am dogshit
>day after
hey my writing is pretty good haha

>>24832928
As long as you took the time to write it, it is good.

>>24832928
Write every other day then.

>>24832905
>But what if one writes a fanfiction of say Warhammer 40k and sets it on their own original planet with their own original characters from some of the major factions and have them participate in their own original events?
Blizzard did that with Warcraft.

A little while ago, anon posted a list of "adventure" WN recommendations in /aicg/. What does the esteemed readership of /wng/ think of his tastes?
>Dragon Knight Prophecy by omnixius
>Song of Ember by Saffron Honey
>Diary of a Traveling Mimic by IcedFairy
>Substitute Hero
>The Stubborn Light of a Dying Flame by Blenderbeetle
>Lost Souls and a Demoness by LunarEntity
>Feather and Scale by SRFox
>The Dryad by Katuwarrior
>Caprifexia the Beneficent, Saviour of the Multiverse
>Young Flame by Joroboros
>The Swordmaster Became a Faerie
>Anthropomorphic by Charlie Delta
>Heat-Seeking Behavior

I want to read GATE, but the gate appears in the Soviet Union and the Red Army goes to the other world.

>>24833009
Just read Roadside Picnic.

>>24832963
I've never heard of any of these.

>>24832963
That anon must have gone out of their way to find stories no one else is reading.

>>24832701
chicka chicka slim shady

>>24832419
>Would the audience that a fanfiction peddler cultivated read something original?
Seras' space opera book is pretty popular despite them being such an inconsistent writer.

>>24832700
alt+0151 —
I had to stop using them when they became a big ai thing because they really are that ubiquitous.
Not really a problem for webnovels though because I write them in British English and we don't use the em dash.
We do have the shorter en dash but there's really no reason to use it over the semicolon.
See, this is hyphen, en, em: - – —

>>24832223
Can anyone recommend something because I can't access Rentry

Fortunately, the rest of my writing is clearly organic dog water so it balances out the emdash AI accusations

If anyone accuses you of using AI, I dare say em dash is the least of your problems.

Having a very funny experience right now where I'm hating my own writing but whenever I take a break and read a pretty popular wn the writing there is obviously worse.

>>24833103
this is more motivation to keep writing anon

>>24833094
Consider >>24832963, so you too can boast spot how your tastes are obscure.

>>24833112
But i want to read mainstream stuff so i can make friends with people who live webnovels and stuff i dont wanna be a boring artcuck

I'm creating a power system where only men are able to hold magic, but only women are able to use it. This creates a certain balance between the sexes to fear and respect each other. Now, it's all well and dandy, but I think if I post something like that on RR, I'm going to get complaints about the natural cis straight hegemony, or perhaps questions about how LGBT is handled there. Obviously, if trans people existed, they would have to be executed on sight, since they could have unchecked power, and gay people would be ostracized for being unproductive in their community.

How do I handle this?

>>24833115
Start with the fourr big ones

PGTE
MoL
TWI
Worm

Ignore eastern slop , their readers are not easily made friends

>>24833115
Then I'm sorry anon, for I too am a boring artcuck, and can only add the following to that list:
>The shining Wyrm of Viznove
>Here Be Dragons by Second_Sol (both original and reboot)
>Vale... Is Not a Vampire?
>The Princess and the Human
>Somebody Stop Her! (Don't read the sequel, the author started heavily using AI slop around this time despite being a competent writer)

>>24833119
I've seen in done without any bitching because it was a romance story (dude is the human mage-battery , apprentice mage is the monster-waifu)

It's all about optics

>>24833121
Thanks anon why not eastern stuff
Also worm is quite long right
>>24833128
Nooo, are all webnovels ai now :(

>>24833131
For eastern stuff just read the super popular stuff and nothing else. Personally, I'd recommend:
>Ascendance of a bookworm (starts off pretty slow though)
>So I'm a spider, so what? (end is a bit rough)
>Mushoku tensei (decent but controversial)

>>24833131
TWI is way longer.
I don't know any good short stories.
Themonly decent eastern story I've read is Release That Witch

>>24833146
>>24833147
Thanks anons! I'll check them out, good luck!!

>>24833131
>Nooo, are all webnovels ai now :(
It's utterly baffling in the case of Vitaly because I repeat, the guy's a competent writer. How is it that he can look at the drivel GPT shits out and think, yeah, that's acceptable? I can understand writers who use it from the start. I just finished skimming through MEAT which is heavily slopped and only carried by the really cool ideas in it, so I can accept the "author" doing the best with his strengths... but it turns out he's also like Vitaly! He's got another story, aborted, that is 100% human-written so far as I can tell, and is again perfectly competent! Why? Why not even bother to correct obvious GPTisms? Do people actually read its incoherent metaphors and think they're somehow deep? That reminds. How does /wng/ do on https://mark---lawrence.blogspot.com/2025/08/so-is-ai-writing-any-good-part-2.html ?

>>24833131
For eastern stuff, I highly recommend Reverend Insanity
it's considered the enfant terrible of the web novel scene

>>24833009
That's literally what GATE cribbed off of. Russians have tons of weird isekai shit.

>>24833119
Literally just a copy and paste of Ard's Oath by Bruce Sentar.

>>24833167
The system is more complex than that, but it boils down to the sex distinction in its simplest form. I read the synopsis of Ard's Oath and it doesn't really have anything to do with it other than that point. I invented it independently anyways, so it doesn't count.

I've been looking for a story I read a number of years ago, does it ring any bells?
>Grimdark
>Main character is ugly
>A popular game turned out to be a way for a god to transfer a bunch of people to a different world for reasons
>All of the players were put into their game avatars with the main characters being a mixraced mutt
>This gave him access to a special energy that was stronger than mana or qi
>He was adopted or taken in by a guy whose daughter also got transferred into this other reality
>He Actively tries to protect her because of this debt despite how much she hates him
>She betrays him and he dies
>He wakes up in his original body
>He figures out how to use the magic from the other reality in ours and teaches the father of the girl that betrayed him
>he then breaks into the company that produced the game in a attempt to force himself back into the other world
>A god taunts him and allows him to use a one way method
>Him and the father proceed to go on an adventure to find his daughter

>>24833119
Just write your story and don't give a fuck about the readers.

>>24833094
Reverend Insanity

The real question is:
Does your series have a cool abbreviation/acronym?

>>24833328
MLA

>>24833328
F^3UA.
Guess, which is it?

>>24833328
It's about a guy named Bane, the acronym is UUUU

>>24833328
I will never not find it funny that one of the faggiest stories I've ever read is abbreviated "CoPE". LMAO.

what should I have a meltie about today? what's one of the classics that hasn't been seen for a while?

>>24833103
You basically get two chooses with shame about your writing.
You either push past it and become prolific or stick with it and immediately become one of the better RR writers because you're doing some editing.

>>24833103
It's very possible you are better, but I'd like to say we have at least one resident schizo who genuinely believes this too, and his writing is way worse than the average popular wn.
So just make sure you arent delusional yeah?

>>24833352
Women can't be fighters
Readership are all bots
Only top weekly list matters
Trad-pub is better because Web Novels are not as good as Tolkin

>>24832596
You need exactly one layer of abstraction before people just won't notice. It can be an obvious stand-in and as long as it's not THIS IS JEWS IT'S LITERALLY JEWS, people won't really make the connection. Few enough people will notice that they either won't mention it or, if they do mention it, it will be easy to dismiss as a (((PURE COINCIDENCE)))

>>24833360
>Trad-pub is better because Web Novels are not as good as Tolkin
I don't like Tolkien. His shit put me to sleep. The movies were great though.

>>24832242
Thieving Heaven Demon Venerable

From today on I am no longer going to use metaphors, analogies, and similes. This is just the next logical step after getting rid of adjectives and adverbs.

Basic English only
No abstract concepts
Nouns and verbs only
Literalism only
Sentences can only be up to 15 words
Paragraphs can only be a single sentence
Royal Road Destination

>>24833475
based!

>>24833444
Nah you're misunderstanding why people tell writers to cut down on adverb use.
It's because it muddies the message and lessens the impact of the passage. Using a metaphor is the opposite of that, it's a single powerful bit of messaging.

Yian Ti mountain arc is peak as FUCK

>>24833475
the final prosaic destination

>>24833483
Similes however can go. They're just metaphors for pussies.

>>24833444
Just do a deep literary analysis of RI. It's a peak novel. Find out why it's so good and then use that to improve your own writing.

>>24833497
but RI is all about metaphors

>>24833490
>Similes however can go
>They're just metaphors for pussies
Ah, I see you must be unfamiliar with the exceptional line "raising a gu is like raising a mistress" which couldn't be expressed with as much impact in any other way.

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Selkie's (author of BTDEM) new book is launching on Royal Road now: Song of the Gift-Giver. It's a magic academy story, so sorry to anyone who wanted to use that setting.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/137312/song-of-the-gift-giver

Also sorry to anyone aiming for top RS spot, because if I'm reading this right it's a shoe-in. 874 followers at this time, 27 hours after first chapter was dropped.

Note the chapter drops: rather than one ever one or two hours, Selkie is dropping them in batches. I haven't read it so I can't venture a guess why.

>>24833490
>like that like, which, like to like, is love
Nah similes can be based, if anything the skill ceiling is even higher than metaphor.

>>24833512
cute clueless anon
Rhaegar (Azarinth Healer) released his new fic and it's gotten like 3500 followers in 3 days. Pretty sure he's taking number 1 and holding it for the next 3-4 weeks, not Selkie

>>24833527
>First chapter 2 days ago
>3577 followers
>#3 Rising Stars
the fuck?

>need to know when big names are launching
>need to know when cabals are launching
navigating the RR scene needs a shipping lane schedule to get it right or your launch can potentially be irredeemably fucked

>>24833532
big names don't matter, that's only 1 to at most 4 slots taken up in a bumper crop month
it's when shit like the evo girl clogs 10-15 slots that it's meaningfully harder for new authors

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>>24833512
>chapter 1
>like iron o'er stone [in a thick British accent]
>fuck fucking fuck, ah fuck
>take off your mask! Covid! Is a hoax!
>tip!
>illegal immigrants
>wanker!
>14 year old
>hairy ass
>“Bill’s banging Karen in the breakroom, and I just got fired. Yay me.”
>it's illegal!
>Aye

why are so many of these novels so reddit?

>>24833532
it's so funny having to dodge both writeathon and the deckbuilder launch and then have shout out swaps lined up just to give something a chance of being seen.

If I was being cynical I'd definitely write something with at least one niche genre tag to make that rising stars list.

>>24833542
>so reddit
please use a more precise adjective, noun, or noun+verb combination to clarify your question

>>24833542
it's kind of reddit to call things reddit. basically everyone is doing it now, with wildly different meanings, which is very reddit

>>24833548
If you don't know, then that's what you are.

>>24833512
BTDEM is bad and you should feel bad

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>>24833541
>>24833512
Jesus Reddit Christ

>>24833557
I liked the opening a bit and then I got to the plague bit and was just like "I don't want to read this anymore"
Didn't even make it to the infamous timeskip

>>24833548
NTA but:
millennial writing
whedonslop
niggershit
ERM THAT JUST HAPPENED
LE HECKIN WHOLESOME DOGGO
(insert "haha funny quip" or "haha funny bit character" that is actually thinly-veiled political seethe and everyone but the author can tell)

>>24833566
>that is actually thinly-veiled political seethe and everyone but the author can tell
You're the one being reddit now lol

>>24833572
if you've ever read any of these popular bottom quintile authors you would know what i'm talking about

>>24833563
I thought it was stupid the moment the 8 year old belted out some inane and complex oath out of nowhere. Also the class change chapters, felt like 50 pages worth each time. And the fucking elf romance holy shit how bad was that.

>>24833555
im afraid you are the reddit-coded one here

>>24833444
>>24833475
Why stop there? At this point, just go full green text. I know you want to.
>be me, 25 y.o. kissless, hugless virgin
>le sad
>looses job
>le sadder
>gets hit by a truck
>dies
>open eyes
>see an unfamiliar ceiling
>holyshitit’sisekai.jpg
>is baby
>shits, pisses, cries, and sucks titties, in that order
>grows up
>kill monsters
>becomes OP
>is still a virgin
>gathers harem
>harem stabs me in the back and went to chad
>fuckthisgayworld.mp3
>becomes villain
>destroys the world
>no more oxygen
>dies for real
>the end

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Name the webnovel

>>24833603
Already better prose than 99% of RR slop. Could clearly envision it in my minds eye and follow the plot.

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Is this meta for 1st fiction? I heard you can't get RS immediately after posting unless you have a big following beforehand, so this seems to exploit that? Or am I just reading too much into it. (1st fiction, 4k followers)

how about a realistic progression fantasy novel in our world taking place right now, where a fat unemployed loser starts working out, get's a job, and starts meeting girls? It ends with him becoming a physical gigachat, billionaire, and aquires a harem of cute and pure japanese virgins.

>>24833623
the reason people do first day chapter dumps is so that the readers who come to the fic are more likely to get hooked and give a follow
if it's just one or two chapter many readers won't follow and will just forget
it's about capitalizing on potential followers and not wasting any of them even the first day's ones

>>24833623
>I heard you can't get RS immediately after posting
there is a fiction at #3 that's been out for 2 days anon

>>24833527
No shit, I was thinking if he released something it would be even bigger. Thanks for the tip!

I wonder if they're doing this to get ahead of Writathon or what.

>>24833557
It's RR news. I wasn't making any statement of quality.

>>24833563
The plague city was one of the best arcs, though, too bad.

>>24833577
Well she was isekai'd, but yes only the first three books are actually good. The rest is just... not quite milking it, but there's no tension anymore. It just coasts along purely on momentum right up to a bland and forgettable end.

>>24833647
Wow, if only you had read the entire sentence, perhaps you would have seen I excluded that particular case!

>>24833642
What that anon is talking about is posting 3 chapters, waiting weeks and then doing the dump to try and immediately get RS.
Not just day 1 dumping so you're worth reading.

>>24833659
makes no sense

>>24833659
oh i'm blind
yeah it's possible that this was an attempt at bypassing the RS minimum timer

What's RS?

>>24833654
you're correct that i was illiterate, my bad. however, there's clearly not a technical limitation so I'm not sure why you would say 'cant'. anyone can, if they have the appropriate stats. an appropriately shouted-out story would do the same, it's not that rare
picrelated strategy is bad and not meta, what could it possibly be 'exploiting'? there is no limitation on how fast you can get onto rising stars so dropping a bunch of chapters and then leaving for 3 weeks has literally no purpose. in fact, the algo is growth based and every week that passes without getitng more and more makes your 'graph' have a lower slope, so picrel made it way harder on themself

>>24833684
Rising Stars

>>24833673
>this was an attempt at bypassing the RS minimum timer
does not exist. RR admin has confirmed it. the only limitation is a debuff if you're under 20k words posted

>>24833684
Reverend inSanity

>>24832948
Hah! It's funny because it's true.
>>24832905
How about you just call your IP Battleaxe 50,000,000? You can call it a parody and then just play it straight, and they can't sue you without condemning themselves. You have my permission to use this idea, provided you use no AI for generating any of the content, including but not limited to text, plot, cover art, character design, secondary merchandise, and all adaptations of the work to other media, including but not limited to audiobooks, anime, manga, webcomics, pornographic virtual reality experiemces, video games, and children's educational software. Violation of this clause constitutes forfeiture of the IP into the public domain and all profits proceeding from the IP to me. Same terms apply if you want to use Fightsabre 60,000,000,000 or Conflict-Implement Big Number.
Go ahead and write fanfic, that's all anybody's doing, anyway, is what I'm saying. Just change the names and file off the serial numbers, so your money doesn't wind up in the hands of some greedy Brexit-rat who hates you and everyone like you.

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>>24833696
But if RS cares about the rate of change of the slope, then posting one chapter (or 3), followed by a dormancy period, followed by a chapter dump, creates a flatline into a steep peak. Essentially, gives it the local appearance of an exponential curve.

>>24833335
Faggot Freak Fucked Up Ass?
I'm kidding, little buddy, I know it's you. How's the story coming? Topped 200 followers yet? Remember, you owe me a film adaptation, so you're not allowed to give up until you've sold out!

>>24833756
nobody knows how the algo works in depth so I suppose it's not impossible that this level of meta gaming could work.
>Is this meta for 1st fiction?
but it's definitely not the current meta. your pic kinda implies you can somehow spike really hard whenever you want, and new authors only get a very slow trickle of adviews+updateviews and you want to get like 250-300 in the first month, so you gotta start chipping away ASAP

>>24833508
See? Pussies.

>>24833765
Well, I just opened the #1 RS fiction and was surprised by that posting schedule. It's the author's first fiction too. Was surprised, so figured he might actually have gamed it (I haven't read the story, so can't vouch for quality).

>>24833774
the #1 slot does tend to have lots of exceptions to general trends, simply by merit of #1 by definition often being an outlier case. still definitely worth analyzing though

>>24833749
I want to make Cosmos Battles but the mouse don't miss

>>24833638
Write it.
Fuck around and find out.
Maybe you get crucified for toxic masculinity.
Maybe you get rich and famous and marry a jadeskinned virgin.
Maybe you never get around to finishing it because the research you put in gives you the confidence to write something you want to read instead of something you want to live.
Maybe you get your card punched by truck-kun and wake up in fancyland.
Life is a mystery, and we are all morally ambiguous private eyes just waiting for a femme fatale to give us the excuse we need to massacre a whole town full of assholes.
Do you want to stand before Odin and tell him, "Well, I had ideas, but nobody gave me permission to act on them," or do you want to fuck his wife while he cries in the corner?
FFFUA is going to sell his movie rights and take a shit on the White House lawn while you're still sitting on a dirty toilet scrolling this thread, too spiritually constipated to pass the NPC-brained fnordophobia you caught in school, if you keep passing the buck like this.
Shit! Man, shit!

>>24833741
Heh. Now, that was funny, I'll give you that one, Goo-slurper.

>>24833673
>>24833696
>>24833756
>>24833774
Maybe your novels just aren't good enough? These tricks and strategies won't help if all you write is slop.

>>24833815
I haven't posted it yet, but when I do, I will be unstoppable.

>>24833700
it doesn't matter if it doesn't exist, it's a widespread belief that it does in one way or another, so some authors try to bypass it, like this guy did

>>24833638
>realistic
effort doesn't get you shit in the real world, our world's most successful people are fat and retarded disgusting slobs

it's why people love progression fantasies so much

>>24833787
I don't know, fucking kill yourself then, I guess. If life is so hopeless, why you wasting time on it? I can't hold your fucking hand while you cross every street, anon. I want to, I would if I could. I'd bake every cunt in this thread and those somehow even more pathetic losers in /wg/ chocolate peanut butter cookies and sing you all to sleep every night if I could, but I can't. Every word I write to post here is a word I'm not writing in my terrorist manifesto camouflaged as a LitRPG Portal Fantasy Male Chauvinist Experimental Webnovel, and I'm actually excited about this thing I'm trying to do, for the first time in a long time, and I owe a lot of that enthusiasm and hope to you assholes and your unquenchable thirst for slop.

I don't get it. What's the appeal of LitRPG?
Why game mechanics?

>>24833864
Kids grow up playing games then enjoy books that read like games they played.

>>24833815
>Maybe your novels just aren't good enough?
genuinely cannot remember the last time I saw something good on RS that wasn't like Ravensdagger writing a sixth new work

>>24833833
Poor Fang Zheng.

>>24833864
autism

>>24833864
The idea of tangible progression and gaming the system. That's why the two most common LitRPG stories revolve around 'level go up' or 'I broke the system with my FFF class nobody wanted'

>>24833833
>>24833881
>Think this is going to be some kind of arc about him learning to respect people other than humans
>Nope it's just he gets raped until he leaves and hates them all

>>24833891
Out of all variant humans he just had to be enslaved (and raped) by hairymen, what a bad luck lol

>>24833864
You might be stupid

>>24833864
Video games and anime turned magic into magic systems with clear rules
Litrpg is just the next step, making those systems explicit.

Good litrp is typically either about a really well weighted sense of progression or the joy of seeing the 'system' exploited.
In the main it's just training wheels for raising the stakes. Survived a level 10 threat? Throw a level 15 one in.
Most of the ones I've liked such as Calamitous Bob would work fine as normal fantasy stories and maybe even be better for it.

>>24833864
I need a LitRPG where the protagonist loses his friends and loved one in a horrible battle and they're all dead, he breaks down and cries and the chapter just ends with some shit like
>+1 Endurance

>>24833891
>snowmen
>inkmen
>mermen
>dragonmen
>feathermen
>beastmen
would
>minimen
too small otherwise would
>mushroommen
no thanks
>rockmen
would die if attempted
>hairy men
>eggmen
fuck no
you have something wrong with you if you would

>>24833891
>Nope it's just he gets raped until he leaves and hates them all
Fang Zheng is actually one of the few people who isn't super racist towards variant humans

>>24833873
I grew up playing games and am pissed when I try to read litrpgs because they're actually not like games at all.

>>24833915
suffering builds character
therefore it should be
>+1 Character
instead

>>24833915
I need a litRPG where it's the final battle and the protagonist prepares his ultimate attack, and he just has no mana and wipes.

>>24833638
>how about a realistic progression fantasy novel in our world taking place right now, where a fat unemployed loser starts working out, get's a job, and starts meeting girls? It ends with him becoming a physical gigachat, billionaire, and aquires a harem of cute and pure japanese virgins.
>realistic
You mean
>Fat unemployed loser starts working out.
>Weight starts going down.
>Crabs around him with crab bucket mentality try to tear him down.
>Eventually runs out of money and can't go to the gym anymore.
>Gets a job, but constant mandatory HR training meetings from corporate destroy his soul.
>Eventually gets to normal weight
>Broken husk of a man
>Never finds girlfriend either

>>24833908
>Video games and anime turned magic into magic systems with clear rules
Hard magic systems existed before video games. I mean, come on. Video games got it from D&D, D&D got it from existing fiction, and that fiction got it from other fiction.

>>24833957
no , D&D got it from fantasy wargames and fantasy wargames got it from tabletop games and tabletop games DID NOT get it from fiction , you retard

>>24833824
i think you're making some pretty unsubstantiated assumptions about why that author had that release schedule, personally

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>>24833959
retard alert

>>24833976
Hasn't actually read Vance award.

>>24833976
Vance didn't write gamelit , DnD authors gameified his limited memorized spells idea.

>>24833981
doesn't even know that it was literally called the "Vancian magic system" before 4e award

>>24833983
No shit. But he wasn't the first person to come up with rules for magic either.
Saying Anime and Video Games created this basic concept is ultra retarded.

>>24833167
>>24833192
You're right they your ideas is not the same. Ard's Oath isn't by gender, it's random.
There are basically two types of magic users: mages and anchors. Mages generate mana and can use it for spells, but using magic triggers a backlash. To avoid this backlash they give the magic over to an anchor through some intimate action like a kiss. Anchors then store that magic and can later use it for body reinforcement.

There are a lot more anchors than mages and anchors end up essentially bound to a mage. It's the anchor's duty to protect the mage.
>>24833119
Just don't mention LGBT. If you wanted, you could make it an LGBT supportive story by including a transgender character that has the magical aptitude of the gender they want to be, rather than what they were born as.

I would consider switching it around to men using magic and women holding magic though. The way you have it makes women have to be proactive and men passive.

You might also consider how true this statement is:
>This creates a certain balance between the sexes to fear and respect each other.
Why would women (the spellcasters) have to fear and respect men? What are the men going to do? Withhold mana from the people that have supernatural powers and can coerce them with it? All it takes is a few men going along with it and the women run the show.

>>24833328
AGOCT

>>24833986
>Saying Anime and Video Games created this basic concept is ultra retarded.

I literay said it was tabletop -> wargames -> DnD , wtf are you talking about?

>>24833991
sounds like onomatopoeia for a violent blowjob

>>24833983
>>24833986
Ironically, a mana system works better for a (tabletop) game and a memorized spell list works better for a novel.

It's harder to create suspense with "I have 130 mana left, therefore I can only cast fireball twice or fireball and lightning bolt or firewall and lightning bolt or magic missile 4 times or magma blast once or..."
In a game that works great, because it plays into resource management on the fly, rather than deciding beforehand.

Meanwhile only having two fireball spells prepared works great in a novel, because you can create a situation where they might need three of them. Now they have to solve that conundrum. It does have the downside of autistically preparing spells constantly.

>>24833997
>Video games and anime turned magic into magic systems with clear rules
follow the reply chain, retard-kun

>>24833328
LOW (I'm nowhere near publishing though)

>>24834012
>Video games got it from D&D, D&D got it from existing fiction, and that fiction got it from other fiction.

this you?

>>24834016
true statements

>>24834002
erm, what the tuna sandwich?

>>24833328
IAAACBISTISAR

>>24834007
>a mana system works better for a (tabletop) game
No, I still think spell lists work better for tabletop games. Constantly doing the math on mana is annoying. Spell slots also force you to use a greater variety of spells which I think is handy especially since most tabletop games are multiplayer affairs.

It's not until you move to video games that a mana pool makes sense imo. And there are pros and cons to it even then, although it's clear which one is more popular.

>>24834024
No. I think tabletop and other turn based games is where mana works well. That's the only time you have the ability to actually strategize and plan around your mana pool.

In video games mana is mostly there for flavor. Most games mana either doesn't really become an issue or it becomes something you have to solve with your character or item build. In some games it can make people slow down (eg classic WoW), but that's rare and players generally don't like it.

Do you think a dark fantasy story could do well on RR? Something where success never comes easily to the protagonist and character deaths aren't uncommon? I have an idea I really want to run with, but I don't know if RR is the target demographic for that kind if story. Then again, RR loves power fantasy, and overcoming dangers that can and will kill those who aren't careful can be a power fantasy in itself, so I'm not sure.

>>24834037
as long as it has either progression, xianxia, LITRPG, or Isekai it has an audience

>>24834037
it technically could do well, like almost anything fantasy-based, but you'll be playing on ultrahard mode and better have a banger of a book.
honestly I would try tradpub first and use RR as your fallback plan

>>24834037
Sure, but first and foremost I hope it's something you'd want to read too. Write what you want to read. Then worry about the success after the fact.

If you have to ask if it's gonna do well on RR it probably isn't.

>>24834057
>tradpub
is a fucking joke unless you're a privately educated American-Asian or British-Asian woman

>>24834037
Tenebroum was on rr and it got picked up by amazon

>>24834061
the truth nuke that ended the pacific front...

>>24834063
yeah I don't disagree, but a non-litrpg non-isekai dark fantasy novel has even lower odds on royalroad than it does as a white man trying to get published
i almost think that if something of that genre is so good it succeeds on royalroad, it would have done even better in tradpub

>>24834028
Disagree. Planning and strategizing is the strong point of the spell slot system. Using mana has advantages, but this is not one of them.

With spell slots, you have to plan ahead and think about what you might need to cast. You will often run into situations where you don't have exactly the spells you want. You have to figure out how to get by with what you have, and calculate how much you can use in each scenario.

In this regard, mana is almost strictly worse. It's more or less the same as just having spell slots, but you get to decide what they are on the fly, and there are no inherent limitations on what spells you can use. It's a lot less strategically and mechanically interesting.

>>24834064
it's always massively more viable when you had an existing audience from having written litrpg and other meta shit first. dry posting a dark fantasy novel (and other off meta stuff) is close to impossible to get noticed

>>24834037
>Something where success never comes easily to the protagonist and character deaths aren't uncommon?
reverend insanity is insanely popular

>>24834074
RI is xianxia
the big genre label of the story is unfortunately the biggest indicator of whether you'll get readers or not

Man I just can't wrap my head around korean names, I've been reading rtoc and I'm having such trouble when I never had a problem with chinese names.

>>24833986
>doesn't even know that it was literally called the "Vancian magic system" before 4e award
Yeah it was called that but Vance didn't write a magic system.
The only clear rule he had was that spells had to be memorised before use. They're not even exclusive to wizards in dying earth and the spells themselves vary massively in strength and utility. The only real determining factor is having access to their grimoires.

>>24834064
God I remember when that faggot used to spam his garbage in /sffg/

>>24834079
You get used to all foreign names, you have to read more, that's all

>>24834082
the idea of marketing on here is so funny. It's the one site where an actual majority of users will now how to pirate

>>24834079
It's easy, Sung Jin-wu is the mc, Sung Jin-choo is his sidekick, Sung Jinchool is that other guy, Jingwoo is where Jet Li learned karate from Jet Li, and Seung-Hui Cho is the hero, Korean names very easy remember you racist.

>>24834085
Or getting a schizo on your back, I really don't understand why people do it

>>24834085
to be fair lots of authors don't mind piracy if it gets them more readers
i know for a fact my shit gets scraped to kemono but i know damn well people who would bother pirating weren't going to pay me to begin with

>>24834024
>Spell slots also force you to use a greater variety of spells which I think is handy especially since most tabletop games are multiplayer affairs.
This gave me pause. I'm planning a story and I'm now considering going with spell slots instead of mana.
>>24834085
Worked for Notch.

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Wow, Gemini is exceedingly brutal with giving analysis and feedback. I didn't even ask it to be a bully, but it's destroying me and ripping my asshole apart. I got what I asked for, some proper feedback at least.

>>24833991
that's the sound agent smith makes when neo jabs him in the neck with his fingers

>>24834107
dont trust ai for anything besides proofreading anon. It can make sensible arguments for why X is bad but its just saying random shit, and newbie authors cant recognize when it has an actual point

>>24834100
>kemono
You got a patreon?

>>24834114
Gemini in particular so far has made good points, though, that's the thing. There was this glaring error with a character's situation that definitely affected the stakes I never even realized, despite putting it through 3 different LLMs and I'll have to go back to address later.

>>24834068
frankly if it was that good, he might as well selfpub instead of going through the humiliation ritual that is tradpub
but yes based on what anon said, it's almost certainly low odds all around. it'd just be a choice of slightly more negligible or slightly less negligible

>>24833988
>The way you have it makes women have to be proactive and men passive.
The story is unfortunately not gonna work that way around, and your way would leave women utterly defenseless, which goes against the balance I am going for here.

>Why would women (the spellcasters) have to fear and respect men? What are the men going to do? Withhold mana from the people that have supernatural powers and can coerce them with it?
It's a social custom, not a hard rule, that women do the magic and men hold it. Essentially, one's magic capacity is linked to 'fate'. The more control you have over people and territory, the more control you have of its fate and therefore your capacity for magic. In that sense, lords of territories have an inherently stronger capacity for magic than its peasants. A peasant would have the capacity for small magics within their humble home, but not outside it. Exercising magic is a matter of changing the fate of the target, losing an equivalent portion of your dominion in exchange. Having more magic makes it harder to cast it (or 'weave' it); matrimony creates a formal link between caster and holder. Social custom then indicates that men are the persons in charge of owning and leading, and women of casting magic.
Men should fear women because they have the capacity to kill them with their own magic, but women should fear being left without a magic source.

>>24834064
What are you talking about it? It says https://royalguardpublishing.com/

>>24834037
Good stories will always have an audience. Finding that audience might take more time and effort, though.

>The story is unfortunately not gonna work that way around, and your way would leave women utterly defenseless, which goes against the balance I am going for here.
How does it leave women utterly defenseless, but wouldn't leave men utterly defenseless?

It sounds to me like women hold all the actual power and men have nothing?
>but women should fear being left without a magic source.
Or they could just coerce men to give them the magic. All it takes is for Jenny to come around and tell a man "you give Karen your mana or else". Then Karen gets the mana and goes to Jenny's man and tells him "you keep giving her mana or else".

For optimal performance you create a web of these and you end up with women in complete control.
>Exercising magic is a matter of changing the fate of the target, losing an equivalent portion of your dominion in exchange.
How is that supposed to work if women don't actually control the land that gives magic? Or does the husband lose control of the land when he gives magic to the woman? Who controls it afterwards?

>>24834139
Wrong, they were picked up by Amazon the publishing company

>>24834133
Forgot to tag you here: >>24834156

I don't see why you story would cause problems. If anything, it should be fine since women hold all the power in it.

Kill fate. Behead fate. Roundhouse kick fate into a trashcan. Chainsaw fate in half. Destroy all fates.

>>24834163
ok but what are you fucking and marrying

>>24834170
THE DAO

>>24834170
I prefer friends with benefits

>>24834170
faith

>>24833328
SSSTD is what I plan for mine.

>>24834186
There's no such thing as eternal friends or eternal enemies. There are only eternal benefits!

Should you just slap as many genres on as possible on RR?
Thinking about how basically every fantasy story ever is technically progression since the protag will get more powerful at some point.

Guys, I think I just had my best idea yet. Cyberpunk cultivation. Think about it. Really think about it and tell me im wrong

>>24834157
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0DJBQBXW8
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>>24834241
Street Cultivation by Sarah Lin

>>24834241
>growing in power by becoming even more of a corpo slave
How exactly does that make sense.

>>24834224
>Should you just slap as many genres on as possible on RR?
it'll get you initial traffic but the story will be a hodgepodge mess and people will drop
moreover do you really want to write a story that smashes all the genres together?
>Thinking about how basically every fantasy story ever is technically progression since the protag will get more powerful at some point.
there's an implication that progress is a focal point, though you're right that there's a lot of ambiguity there.

>>24834244
yeah it's published by Amazon. Amazon picked them up how else would they be on Amazon

>>24834133
So it's a novel about social issues, got it.
No thanks

>>24834241
Doesn't Neon Dragons already do that?

>>24834156
>>24834162
I mean, my story is one of structure, defined roles, and social rigidity, so it's not so much about each threatening the other with their lives.

>How does it leave women utterly defenseless, but wouldn't leave men utterly defenseless?
A woman without a man is nothing; a man can still 'divorce' a woman and 'marry' someone else. Of course, I'm talking about lords here; peasants are all nothing.

>Or they could just coerce men to give them the magic
If a man holds magic because he controls the fates of other people, and a woman controls that man, then wouldn't she, too, hold his magic, and hence be unable to cast it? Being a woman is synonymous to being submissive to her husband, with the implication of violence against him to keep him in check.

>Who controls it afterwards?
Society and magic are entwined in these abstract formal contracts, with sovereignty and entropy as an imperative.

A lord gets the magic for a region if he is recognized as its sovereign and has the capacity to defend it. If a different lord invades and has the consensus of ownership of a portion of the region, then the original lord loses an equivalent portion of his magic (if its disputed, then they share by the degree to which it is disputed). If, say, a lord's citizens distrust or question the sovereignty of their lord, he also loses magic.

Now, renting a house is a legal exchange between a lord and a peasant that (outside of the bounds of the legal contract) grants partial sovereignty of the household to the peasant in exchange for money, goods and/or services. Suppose the peasant is a farmer. The lord loses a bit of his territory magic, but if the farmer does well, he produces a "net negative entropy" for the territory and regains it.

If the peasant magic-burns their table, then... they only lose the table as positive entropy. Their 'owning' the table is the important part; they got it through equivalent exchange, so they have essentially burned their money. If they telekinect a fork across the room, it is straight positive entropy. In doing so, they relinquish some sovereignty of their home to the lord as per their contract and lose some magic (they can also steal the magic if they don't recognize the lord as their sovereign, but this is controlled for via 'tax-collectors', so to speak).

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>>24834275
>Amazon picked them up how else would they be on Amazon
I seriously hope you're only pretending to be retarded for whatever retarded fucking reason and not genuinely this braindamaged

>>24834328
What is the premise? What's the motivation of the main character?

>>24834241
>Cyberpunk cultivation
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/108458/shadow-runner-litrpg
Someone is already writing that

>>24834324
idk I never got behind the absolutely ridiculous language in that.
Like someone wrote in simple sentences then ran them through a thesaurus. Can't really recommend it to anyone even if it does have what they're after.

>>24834241
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/79822/outrun-cyberpunk-litrpg
Outrun, it's pretty fun. Though it's more progression, not exactly cultivation

>>24832806
Think I found it. The Grandmaster Strategist.

>>24834347
It's isekai, with a theme of identity. The protagonist is a woman that never chooses for herself, to such an extreme degree that her life is defined by her ability to adapt and fit to the situation. She's transported into this world reigned by fate, rigidity and control, the antithesis of her being. Her conscious motivation is to survive and thrive and prove to the world that she can handle whatever it throws at her. Unconciously, she wants to find an identity that she can commit to, a conviction to root her, and fix the emptiness of her being.

Part of the hook is that her ability to 'just roll with it' is so foreign to the world that hijinx ensue as she as bulldozes her way up the social ladder.

Make the next thread so I can throw my meltie in it please!

>t. Retard

>newcuties want a new thread when we are still on page 1

>>24834425
/lit/ is a slow board. This thread still has many hours to go.

I've tried extremely autistic plotting and total pantsing.
Turns out I'm somewhere in between. I am a filthy centrist on the spectrum of plotting and pantsing

>>24834458
>I am a filthy centrist on the spectrum of plotting and pantsing
so is everyone. even so-called 'pure pantsers' do quite a lot of plotting in their head.

If responses no longer bump the thread what's the point in posting anymore?

>>24834471
Explain why that matters to you

this is already one of the busiest and most populated generals on the board. wanglads will be hanging out here regardless of what page it's on

>>24834475
The value of a post that doesn't bump the thread is objectively lower than one that does

>>24834479
It's easily the most active now on /lit/ by far.

>>24834483
wwoym is pretty fast sometimes, i do think we're generally faster though

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>>24834395
>female mc
>reactive personality
>isekai

>>24834488
It's dead.
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=Wwoym

It's now Write Your Thoughts

>>24834493
>female mc
>reactive personality
>isekai
peak

>>24834488
>>24834497
I always assume those threads are akin to shouting into a well with no real interaction going on

I do find it kind of funny that the literature that's least considered literature is what has the fastest thread on the literature board.
Man, society hates books in the modern era, don't they?

>>24834503
Reverend Insanity is peak. Fang Yuan is peak.
Some stupid female who has no clue what shes doing is the very opposite of peak.

Oh no. Writathon is approaching and I haven't thought of any side characters or villains.

>>24834520
you have lost the way, junior

>>24834493
She's not a passive protagonist

>>24834521
>Doesn't have 50000 words already written
ngmi

>>24834523
you are a frog in a well

>>24832223
All around me are familiar stories
Worn out plots, worn out tropes
Bright and early for the daily chapter
Going nowhere, going nowhere
Their AI are filling up their quota
No expression, no expression
Hide my head, I wanna drown my sorrow
No tomorrow, no tomorrow
And I find it kind of funny
I find it kind of sad
The stories in which prose is dying
Are the best I've ever read
I find it hard to tell you
I find it hard to take
When people write in circles, it's a very, very
Mad world, mad world
Readers waiting for the day the story gets good
Rising Star, Rising Star
And I feel the way that every reader should
Skim and complain, skim and complain
Went to Royal Road and I was very nervous
No one knew me, no one knew me
"Hello, writers! Tell me, what's my lesson?"
Look right through me, look right through me
And I find it kind of funny
I find it kind of sad
The stories in which prose is dying
Are the best I've ever read
I find it hard to tell you
I find it hard to take
When people write in circles, it's a very, very
Mad world, mad world
Enlarging your world
Mad world

>>24834525
I said she is reactive not passive (she is probably passive too)