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way too soon

>>24898855
What a shitty edition

Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR

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What are the gods/magic in asoiaf? Misunderstood nature?

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>it's Bran chapter

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>>24899371
>Jojen: You can't be warging into direwolf for too long Bran
>Bran: But I like being a wolf because wolves have legs unlike me, a cripple
>Hodor: Hodor
>Meera: I, too, am in this chapter
such a thrilling read

>By ancient custom an iron longsword had been laid across the lap of each who had been Lord of Winterfell, to keep the vengeful spirits in their crypts. The oldest had long ago rusted away to nothing, leaving only a few red stains where the metal had rested on stone. Ned wondered if that meant those ghosts were free to roam the castle now. He hoped not. The first Lords of Winterfell had been men hard as the land they ruled.

When you send your kid to go foster in the most andal kingdom of westeros for all his childhood and he comes back a moralfagging pussy ashamed of all the rape and pillaging his ancestors did.

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The silence is deafening.

>>24899629
Chadtowers (the beacon of Westerosi civilization) won.
Targcucks (abominations born of demon worship rituals and incest) lost.

I've just realised that Stannis making Renly his heir until a son is born to him is not even a concession. That's literally how the law of inheritance would work. Shireen would only be able to inherit after Renly dies, and if a son is born to Stannis that son would come ahead of Renly when it comes to ruling.
Stannis basically tried persuading his brother with... nothing.

>>24899371
>>24899399
You forgot the boring ass description of Bran warging his direwolf at the start. Honestly Bran chapters are the worst by far, beating even Dany in Clash.

>>24899891
yeah those are the normal rules but renly breaks the rules of succession by going "um no i should be king lol" so stannis is actually being very generous by offering to reinstate him both to succession and the council

>>24899896
It's really not generous to return to the default succession in exchange for the whole stormlands' (and Reach, but that'd never happen) support. Especially when Stannis makes it clear he'll be trying to have a son.

>>24899896
>>24899903
This is like Joffrey letting Stannis be in line after Tommen for forsaking his claim, laying down his arms and fighting his enemies. Pretty ridiculous.

Who would you have in yours Kingsguard?

Why did Margaery get moon tea from Pycelle? If she was getting it for someone else, surely she could have gotten it from someone other than Cersei's pet. Is it that Margaery is rather simple and doesn't realize any claim against her chastity would throw the engagement into question? Did Olenna have a plan that never came to fruition (if so, connecting Margaery to the moon tea still seems very risky with little reward)? Do we have other recorded uses for moon tea besides as an abortifacient? If yes, why was that not given as an explanation? If not (assuming there are other uses, but we as readers never learn them), does that not imply that the most recognized use of it is to prevent pregnancies, and so it would be a chief suspicion of anyone who heard that Margaery was using it?

>>24899891
Stannis had a nearly barren wife and was too autistic to get a divorce, a bastard he could legitimize, or have her suffer a premature death by means of unfortunate accident. Renly would almost certainly inherit the crown if Stannis won the throne. The reason the Baratheons don't easily win the war is Renly's stupidity.

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>>24899948
>robert strong
>wun weg wun dar wun
>shaggydog
>sandoq the shadow
>strong belwas
>qhorin halfhand
>ser davos the dragonslayer

>>24900021
>sandoq the shadow
based
shat on all them westerosi devils

>>24899994
imo margaery simply underestimated how nuts cersei is. the most reasonable explanation is that it was for someone in her entourage. in-universe, moon tea is a pure abortifacient. if it was for margaery herself, she 100% would have obtained it from someone else, like a midwife or KL woods witch, educated person in the tyrell entourage, or whatever. what strikes is if olenna knew about it or not and what she would have thought of it. margaery is portrayed as independent and assertive and not entirely politically naive, so it's unlikely olenna micromanaged her life like that. we don't know when she started getting moon tea from pycelle, but a safe assumption is after the purple wedding and betrothal to tommen, so she would not be in KL at the time.

>>24899629
The Seed was weak. The line of Visenya was quenched in a single generation.

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>>24899371
>Cersei chapter
the only amusing part is that she thinks she's in control of the city and the realm, while unknowingly, digging herself deeper into her own grave, with none of her fathers or Tyrion's political instincts, surrounded by spies in her inner circle

>>24899629
>House of the Dragon
>Rheanera send her envoy to Baratheon
>he can't read and needs his maester to read the letter for him
It's implied that the Citadel/Hightowers have a large amount of influence on the kingdom, with their loyalties not to their lords, but to the Citadel

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all bobby b had to do was fuck jamie and rhaegar out of cersei's mind and the realm would have been saved. the one thing he was good at and he failed.

>>24900301
Cersei mentioned that she did like Bobby B at first at their wedding, but lost interest when he drunkenly crawled on top of her that night and called her Lyanna

What in the fuck is the appeal of self-insert fanfiction? I swear half of all ASOIAF fics are SIs. I don't understand why anyone would want to read about some random autistic virgin replacing an actual character.

>>24900425
Why was he so obsessed with Lyanna to begin with? He was a retard whoremonger, having this sort of oneitis feels out of character.

>>24900699
>bobby and rheagar both obsessed with Lyanna
she would have been high quality, probably
her family was pretty solid also
>having this sort of oneitis feels out of character
Bobby was always a whoring drunk, but maybe that behavior was due to him never getting over losing her

>>24900710
I think it's a fair assumption to make that part of why Bobby B was so obsessed with Lyanna was due to the fact that he never got to be with her and/or the feeling of getting cucked by Rhaegar. I think he says (maybe in a show only scene) that he can hardly remember what she looked like.
She is his One that got away.

>>24900710
Lyanna disagreed. She thought he was a whoring drunk even while she was alive and he would've stopped caring about her as soon as he got to have sex with her.

Wiener, wiener wiener, wiener wiener wiener weiner weiner
Two wieners alongside yet another wiener
Party, wiener party, wiener party, party party, wiener party, wiener wiener
Soft wieners, nice and soft, non-erect wieners!
Keep them flopping, flopping wieners, floppy floppy, dangle wieners, dangle dangle
Five wieners in my face

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what's your top 3 favorite pov's anb top 3 worst?
for me best:
>bran
>jon
>jaimie

worst:
>daenerys
>arya
>catelyn

>>24899891
I realizing a better scenario, what if Rhaegar married Catelyn and Lysa married Elbert Arryn?

robert just wanted to fuck a female ned

>>24900749
replace bran with davos and arya with asha and thats my list

>>24900726
Here a joke, reeks wiener

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>>24900776
>>24900140
Second in her name, daughter of Aerys II and sister of Rhaegar Targaryen (Dany who?)
Founders and Duchess (Doge) of Maegoroma/Maegorthage (https://files.catbox.moe/envveo.jpeg)
Princess of Dragonstone (claimant)
Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men (rightfully)
Lady of the Seven Kingdoms (rightfully)
Protector of the realm (rightfully)

>>24900699
>>24900699
Lyanna Stark was 15 years old during the events of Robert's Rebellion (War of the Usurper)…zamn!

No physical evidence for battle of Tumbleton

What would Joshua York do if he was transported to Westeros?
>who's joshua york?
Don't tell me ASoIaF is the only of Martin's that you've read...

>>24901037
>Don't tell me ASoIaF is the only of Martin's that you've read...
ASoIaF is the only of Martin's that I've read.

>>24901037
i have multiple non-song grrm books and collections and a stack of wild cards stuff and really enjoy his future history and sci-fi short stories. who the fuck is joshua york, someone from wild cards?

>>24901037
I read some of his short stories. Most were pretty fun, but "And Death His Legacy" was laughably bad

>>24900179
>>he can't read and needs his maester to read the letter for him

This doesn't make fucking sense. There WERE kings/noblemen who couldn't write, but they ALWAYS were taught to read.

>>24900713
>>24900716
Ned literally thinks in his POV chapters Robert is pining after a person he never knew, and that Lyanna was a very different person from Bobby imagined her as.

>>24901465
The books also mentions that some Lords couldn't read/write and needed measters to read their messages.
Jaime would have been illiterate if Tywin didn't demand he learn to read regardless of his dyslexia

>>24900886
Probably the least offensive case of pedoshit in the series seeing as how Robert was only about 4 years older than her.

>>24900017
I actually find it unrealistic how horrible he made Stannis's wife. In reality ugly queens rarely lasted long. One historical unattractive princess was cucked by every lady in waiting in her court plus two of her male knights and a Jewish moneylender before she finally gave up and went to a monastery. Considering how degenerate the country of Westeros is Selyse should be gone

>>24901648
Stannis was to honorable to leave his wife.
She's also from House Redwyne, a reasonably powerful house in the reach, that was an important ally

>>24901658
It's been a while but wasn't she a Florent

>>24900749
I find it amusing that GRRM seems to think he is a feminist and good at writing women when most people find his female characters boring

Notice how Martin kills all the characters that abuse Dany
>Viserys
>Drogo
>Mirri
>Robert who thought it was punishment for assassinating her
>All the brown people
Illyrio is next

>>24901710
Yeah pretty sure she’s going to stop in pentos. I’m pretty sure Tyrion is going to reveal the info to ingratiate himself with her.

>>24901725
Let's face it if you saw someone who trafficked you as a kid you would kill the person too

>>24901725
Dany gets protected by George, that's who the gods that punished Robert Baratheon were

>>24901663
Yeah, ur right

>>24901770
I feel like Selyse should have been a bit cooler; Florents married into the royal family a few times but are underwhelming

>>24901710
>Drogo
when did he abuse her?
In the book the sex was consensual

>>24901772
Please don't start this again brown person on the Internet

>>24901779
sorry boss, wont happen again

Rhaegar had high-functioning autism
Viserys had near retard autism
Daenerys had girl autism (BPD)
Try to refute this and you find that you can't

>>24901782
Viserys does come off as retarded but he manages to raise another child and presumably teach her everything she knows

>>24901771
wasn't Stannis' wife and her brother who sat on the council both unlikable and uptight?

>>24901782
>Rhaegar had high-functioning autism
makes sense he would go for a Stark, notoriously the most autistic house in the seven kingdoms

>>24901784
Viserys was psychologically broken from being a beggar king who lost everything as a child and carried the weight of a fallen dynasty on his shoulders ever since. He was probably more functional when he was younger and less bitter. Honestly one of the most tragic characters in the books.

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Westoros if it was good

>>24901872
He seemed kind of childlike in his behaviour; he cries when insulted and repeats the same simple phrases over and over, has meltdowns and rocks himself to calm down. I think it can be argued that he had some kind of intellectual problem like autism spectrum disorder besides everything else.
His stupidity, short temper and need for constant reassurance is highlighted whenever Dany remembers him (he is Viserys the "fool").
This all makes it really weird to think he must have survived on his own carrying Dany unless he severely degraded the last few years of his life or unless he was switched

>>24901710
>>24901779
>Muh brown bad
Wignat retard forgot about Dany's greatest ally, Strong Belwas. He'd take an arrow for her and more. And Drogo was about to help her birth the greatest conqueror in history. Any woman would be proud swallow such strong brown seed, just as Dany was. Speaking of Dany, why do people think her and Young Griff are gonna fight? They ought to get married. Dany has the dragon nukes ontop of being a targ. So she's better than Faegon's other options. They're also the last two targs/black fyres left, so why not?

Barbrey Dustin gives me hot milf vibes, I bet she's fantastic in bed

>>24902141
These books have peak MILFs, I don't know why GRRM keeps eyeing in on fucking underaged girls (aside from him being a disgusting pervert)

>>24901187
>buying WILD CARDS
why?

>>24902055
I think Strong Belwas is a nuncle tommen

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>>24898855
Gurmsisters, our response???

>>24901784
>>24901872
Sold his mothers crown however cost in a mental breakdown

>>24902158
lolis > old hags

>>24902282
Did he really have a full breakdown with the selling of the crown? It's been a while since I read it. Where is Daniel Deroda when you need em.

There are two types of writers; architects....and those who are shit at writing.

>>24902158
"MILFs" are disgusting. If she has wrinkles she's a vile unfuckable hag.

>>24901037
>Don't tell me ASoIaF is the only of Martin's that you've read...
ASoIaF is the only of Martin's that I've read so far. Fevre Dream is on my TBR list, but nothing else written by him sounds appealing to me.

>>24902354
You can probably be a farmer writer like GRRM if your story isn't about countless characters in a conflict involving multiple factions in two continents.

>>24902989
>farmer writer

>>24902371
MILFs are queens you fucking git!

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>>24902354
>architects
I remember Cersei being described as gaining weight in A Feast for Crows, so GRRM is an architect in a way.

>>24901710
You might be onto something, considering Dany is based on one of his lost loves.

>>24903634
I wonder who George's self-insert is. Samwell Tarly like the memes?

>>24903644
No... I fear it goes deeper than that. Samwell Tarly is just an aspect of George. In some ways, he wants to be and is them all.

>>24903649
A few people suggest that Mopatis is a second self-insert, with Samwell being the idealistic part of George that is a nice dude and Illyrio being a pervert who lets his plans run away from him

>He should have stayed in Dorne. He should have stayed a frog. Not all men are meant to A Dance with Dragons is the fifth novel of seven planned in the epic fantasy series A Song of Ice and Fire by American author...

What did Gurm mean by this?

>>24903788
The real song of ice and fire were the friends and fat pink masts we made along the way

False Aegon real identity:

- Legitimacy line of Aerys II and Crown Prince Rhaegar
- Brightflame cadet
- Blackfyre cadet
- Longwaters branch
- Saera Targaryen‘s line
- Aegon II’s second sons line, a plot for reviving Greens prestige

>>24903634
>considering Dany is based on one of his lost loves
what?

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>John the fiddler
>John the rapist
>Jon the rapist
Jon will rape in The Winds of Winter

>>24904744
happens to the best

thoughts on others living in your walls theory?

Coldhands is a Green Man it makes total sense when you realise they rode elks and his main steed is one.

>>24904000

I don't think we're ever getting a confirmation on his identity it's going to make him a much more compelling and layered character in the end

>>24904938

It's dumb whoever made that watched too much Attack on Titan

>>24902141

I'm honestly surprised there wasn't a scene where she and Theon had freaky sex on top of one of the Stark tombs. I think GRRM wanted something like that but decided against that. Anyway here's top ten Ice and Fire girls I'd smash:

Cersei, Melissandre, Visenya Targaryen, Brienne, The Female Other Who Corrupted the 13th Lord Commander, Barbery Dustin, Asha Greyjoy, Val, and Ashara Dayne.

>>24903310

Because of all the wine she's drinking wine is loaded with lots of sugar and yeast which makes you fat.

>>24904942

I forgot a tenth place last one would be either Malora Hightower or May Stone

>>24904942
>>24902141
Ew, too old

>>24903653
>>24903644
Georgie should voiced/play Aegon the Unworthy

>>24903644
Samwell Tarly
Bloodraven
Ned Stark
Rhaegar Targaryen
Jon Snow
a dozen more, just take your pick

Jaime, Cersei and Tyrion are Targaryens and FAegon is a Lannister.

Any fucking questions???

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>50 days since the last blogpost

This can only mean he's bent over his desk and furiously typing away at his wordstar.

>>24905706
If he's not giving progress reports, he's not writing.

If Big George dies who owns the trademark for the "The Winds of Winter"? Can anyone buy the rights to publish a book with that title after that? If so, I promise I'll write the sequel we deserve (it'll feature a lot of yaoi)

>>24905832
If George dies Elio and Linda will get tasked with finishing it from his notes.

Simon and Schuster will get their promised payout. One way or another.

>>24904942
Unironically do we even need confirmation? I can't see a realty in which Ellia would willingly sacrifice her daughter. Not to mention, the murder of the children was super unprecedented Varys couldn't have predicted that. He saw the situation fell in his favor and acted accordingly.

>Larys Strong, Master of Whispers
>Varys, Master of Whispers

Could Varys possibly be a member of House Strong or related through the surviving bastards

>>24902202
I don't quite get what you meant, but Strong Belwas is many things, like >>24903649 Does this mean George dreams of shitting in public? Has he done it before?

>>24905832
>it'll feature a lot of yaoi
Describe bottom heavy Lyseni and Lannister twinks with nice feet. Thank you, author-anon.

>>24899371
>it's a Sansa chapter

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>Victarion super likely to be dead if he's not made Daenerys master of ships and sails with her
>Darioo is probably going to die somehow during the hostage exchange
>Barristan more than likely dying from some wound inflicted on him in the Battle of Fire but will leave someone as his successor for a potential Queen's Guard
>Tyrion will be going with Daenerys under the name Hugor Hill the Dragon Tamer acting as her advisor when she arrives on Dragonstone

So who is ruling Meeren in Daenerys absence? I think it's going to be Strong Belwas

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If I wrote the Winds of Winter, I'd write a chapter called "preventative medicine" where they just fucking exterminate the Freys and the Boltons. They're the second greatest parasites on Westoros, behind only the Ironborn, and at least the Ironborn are cool pirates. The Boltons are less than useless, and Freys probably have an Epstein-island. Very concerning.

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>>24906403
Boltons were cool when they were the red kings of a substantial part of da norf and walked around wearing the skins of flayed Starks. Now they're just Lannister lapdogs. The fall off is insane.

>>24906365
I like the new theory that the honeyed locusts weren't poisoned at all and Strong Belwas just had anaphylaxis

>>24906626
>anaphylaxis
You mean he was allergic.

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Evil George be like
>I love my fans and I'm thankful for my fame so I released the eighth and final volume of ASOIAF in 2020.

>>24907238
lol

>>24905748
he usually treats his blog like a travel log or a place to shill whatever short film or project he's associated with but there's been nothing but radio silence for a while now

>>24907238
>GRRM: I am still working on [the books], and on the TV shows too. We have a lot of stuff going on with HBO, and I have a lot more shows to work on, and books--of course the big one that's late, everybody wants to know about, but it's still late so I don't know how much I can say. I'm still working on it.

>Interviewer: But you work? You are working?

>GRRM: Yeah. The problem is--well, I don't want to go into this too much--I am working on a lot of things. And it's easier when you're only working on one thing. You can concentrate on it everyday.

>Interviewer: But you seem to have been very industrious during your life.

>GRRM: Well, compared to some people, yeah. But not compared to others. I did a thing with Stephen King a few years ago--my god, Stephen King, so prolific--he's done like eight novels in the time I've just been working on the last one. He's amazing. And not only does he do a lot, which is itself a marvel, but is good. Everything he does is good. And you can always do a lot if you don't care if it's good or not. And I do care if it's good. It's not easy to make it good, and that's a struggle.

>>24907238
Sandor lost sisters become Hyrkoon female warriors

>>24906115
No, GRRM just loves "arys" names.
>Varys
>Larys
>Arys
>Naerys (close enough)
I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

>>24900835
>Ideal isekai video games based around nemesis system, reusing cancelled wonder woman assets

Premise: A Targaryen exiled, either the desperate, theatrical Viserys III or the iron‑fisted warrior‑queen Visenya II analogue—lands on the Axe, a Norvos and Qohor’s dispute contested, ore‑rich peninsula in the Shivering Sea. With a handful of sellswords, a clutch of loyal retainers, and a claim to a lost throne, they found a new city: Viserpolis (Viserys) or Maegoroma (Visenya). The city becomes a crucible where Valyrian ritual, northern frontier culture, and Free City commerce collide, and where salt, guano, and pigeons shape politics as much as steel and dragons do.

>>24908578
Back in the days he used to report writing progress very frequently too. Very.

>>24908578
It's concerning, maybe he fell down the stairs and broke his hip.

>>24908712
>And I do care if it's good. It's not easy to make it good, and that's a struggle.
>refuses to do things that make it easier for him to make sure his work is delivered on time and in a manner deemed good
I'm glad I've never given this man any money. Every piece of his intellectual property I've consumed has been pirated.

>>24908712
>And it's easier when you're only working on one thing. You can concentrate on it everyday.
If only it was possible for him to do just that... Such a shame that GRRM is still a young struggling author who has to pay his bills and can't quit his day job.

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>>24898855

>>24898855
So is this lardass going to complete the books or what?

>>24909013
Never

>>24909007
What?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCUVcrCaaxo

AI books?

>>24909630
Is that a question?

>>24909640
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYnXGPGIoxk

>>24909790
Isn't it obvious? OpenAI paid the artist to use AI to poison the well and torpedo his lawsuit

God, I hate and despise this fat fuck so much, like you wouldn't believe. Genuinely can't wait for him to kick the bucket so that we can get AI to finish the series. Not that I'd read those, of course, but that's all the legacy this fuckface moron fucking deserves. FUCK YOU GRRM go work on another shitty show no one gives a crap about.

>>24909838
They'll bring in Sanderson.

>>24908746
Danearys, lol

>>24908746
Myles Toyne (almost portrayed father figure to Viserys and Dany)

>>24909940
AI would unironically be better, and I say this as someone who absolutely loathes AI slop and the Indians who shill for it. Sanderson is the biggest hack alive.

>>24909940
>sanderson

He already said no, and he's neck deep in the Cosmere at this point. If anyone it's gonna be Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck

>>24910313
>neck deep in the Cosmere
Irrelevant, he can crank out an entire book in 3-4 months.

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>>24898855
Team Green

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>>24910393
hightower feet

>>24910515
Smell like peppermint cone shoe

>>24910515
Ugly feet. Mushy looking.

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Corn?

grrm is a hack retard
dumbasses think his worldbuilding is good because he opens a bunch of random plot threads he has no idea how to close

>>24910581
And guess what you're gonna hear in the future:
>"Corn!" - Melisandre I, TWoW

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>>24910581

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>>24910581

TOMMEN WILL EAT POPCORN IN THE WINDS OF WINTER

>>24910581
For me, it's
>"Corn?" it said hopefully.

>>24910581
Glidus and Alt Shift X are so fucking reddit and it gets worse every video. I don't care if Glidus is a faggot who likes to suck dick, being so obnoxiously reddit is leagues worse.

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>Everyone thinks he's weak and lazy
>Actually a patient schemer who plays the long game
>Rules a realm with impatient retards
>Contentious relationship with his heir

Picrel is literally Doran Martell and I'm surprised no one has ever made the comparison.

>>24911077
I don't think the average asoiaf reader knows as much continental history as you do.

>>24911077
doran waited so long to get his revenge that theres nobody left to get revenge on anymore

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Maybe George should play jolly family man

>>24910581
>>24910759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcH-ObGnHGE

haha imagine forcing sansa to run a league and then smelling her sweaty smallclothes haha

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>>24911313
jej @
>we can imagine dragons easier than women not being
brutalized

>>24911077
If you read closely, you will discover that Doran is actually a bumbling retard whose incompetent handling of the events just results in an increasingly growing list of family members dead for no gain. What you described is his delusional self-image.

>>24911483
I don't remember, what was his justification for not betraying Joffrey? The moment the civil war erupted was so fantastic in hindsight, with Highgarden, the North, Storm's End, Riverlands gone, meanwhile the Vale remained neutral. If Dorne intervened at any point BEFORE Robb's murder, the Lannisters would be done and gone.

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>>24911581
Apparently it's more idiotic than I remember. I forgot the Ironborn rebellion. So, when the war started it was Lannisters + crownlands vs 4 houses, plus 2 neutral houses/regions (Dorne + Vale) on top. How the hell you miss an attack opportunity like that

>>24911581
>"The Bastard of Godsgrace had my maidenhead when we were both fourteen. Do you know what my father did when he learned of it?" She gathered the bedclothes in her fist and pulled them up under her chin, to hide her nakedness. "Nothing. My father is very good at doing nothing. He calls it thinking."

KWAB

>>24899629
Didn't Elio, or someone, leak that George has like a stack of pages full of Maegor lore, or something like that?

>>24911483
You don't even have to read that closely. George basically spells it out for us in the chapter where Doran watches the ripe blood oranges fall to the ground. They represent all the opportunities he had to take revenge, but let pass by because they weren't perfect enough.

>>24911598
Joining Robert’s rebel side and launching raids into Westerlands, pull 180 IQ

>>24911785
Ellaria Sand is the only person in Dorne with a working brain.

>>24911899
>planned crown Myrcella in female line of successors
How show mess her characters up?

>>24911985
>"Sisters, truly, I know the poison Father used. If his spear so much as broke the Mountain's skin, Clegane is dead, I do not care how big he was. Doubt your little sister if you like, but never doubt our sire."
>Obara bristled. "I never did and never shall." She gave the skull a mocking kiss. "This is a start, I'll grant."
>"A start?" said Ellaria Sand, incredulous. "Gods forbid. I would it were a finish. Tywin Lannister is dead. So are Robert Baratheon, Amory Lorch, and now Gregor Clegane, all those who had a hand in murdering Elia and her children. Even Joffrey, who was not yet born when Elia died. I saw the boy perish with mine own eyes, clawing at his throat as he tried to draw a breath. Who else is there to kill? Do Myrcella and Tommen need to die so the shades of Rhaenys and Aegon can be at rest? Where does it end?"
>"It ends in blood, as it began," said Lady Nym. "It ends when Casterly Rock is cracked open, so the sun can shine on the maggots and the worms within. It ends with the utter ruin of Tywin Lannister and all his works."
>"The man died at the hand of his own son," Ellaria snapped back. "What more could you wish?"
>"I could wish that he died at my hand." Lady Nym settled in a chair, her long black braid falling across one shoulder to her lap. She had her father's widow's peak. Beneath it her eyes were large and lustrous. Her wine-red lips curled in a silken smile. "If he had, his dying would not have been so easy."
>"Ser Gregor does look lonely," said Tyene, in her sweet septa's voice. "He would like some company, I'm certain."
>Ellaria's cheeks were wet with tears, her dark eyes shining. Even weeping, she has a strength in her, the captain thought.
>"Oberyn wanted vengeance for Elia. Now the three of you want vengeance for him. I have four daughters, I remind you. Your sisters. My Elia is fourteen, almost a woman. Obella is twelve, on the brink of maidenhood. They worship you, as Dorea and Loreza worship them. If you should die, must El and Obella seek vengeance for you, then Dorea and Loree for them? Is that how it goes, round and round forever? I ask again, where does it end?" Ellaria Sand laid her hand on the Mountain's head. "I saw your father die. Here is his killer. Can I take a skull to bed with me, to give me comfort in the night? Will it make me laugh, write me songs, care for me when I am old and sick?"

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any good alternatives to asoiaf? I need some kino fantasy...

>>24912297
>any good alternatives to asoiaf?
No, there's nothing similar.

>>24912297
If you're up for something more kid-friendly, Redwall and Discworld are absolute classics. Joe Abercrombie's "The First Law" franchise is more grim but has good characters. The Witcher books are an obvious classic, and have a ASOIAF-type feeling. "The Poppy War" series has the "First Law" problem of leaning into grimness, but is very Asian-inspired.

>>24899891
shireen would actually be the heir. children come before siblings, girl or boy.

>>24912297
i didn't read any of the following but gurm has described them as a huge inspiration for one reason or the other.
>the accursed kings series by maurice druon
by far his biggest inspiration for intrigues, power politics, curses and fall of empires.
it's largely based on based events in the 14th century france concerning the crown, their conflict with england and knights templars, and due to it's style and structure has been coined as the french or the original asoiaf.

a bunch of others, that gurm has cited as inspirations and that all follow the same tradition of featuring extremely grey, ambivalent, sometimes cynical characters, merciless politics, realistical depictions of mid to late middle ages, etc.
>gormenghast trilogy by mervyn peake
>the dying earth (lyonesse trilogy) by jack vance
>"the conquering family" and "the magnificent century" - both are part of the pageant of england series by thomas costain
>the welsh trilogy and platagenet series by sharon penman
though it's safe to assume that none of those really have that perfect mix that people love in gurm's shit, also for most if not all the fantasy aspect is missing entirely and is replaced by who-dunnit conspiracy mysteries. then again those kind of mysteries are arguably one of gurm's strengths.

then there's steven erikson's
>malazan book of the fallen
some high fantasy doorstopper series that is often cited to be even more ambitious than gurm with several continents, tens of thousands of years worth of lore, hundreds of "pov" characters, gods that actively mingle in the affairs of mortals, countless people dying and all that shit.
as i've said at the start i've never read any of those but have repeatedly heard about some of them.
not sure whether i'll get into them someday, personally i can only enjoy that many franchises, and currently i'm hooked on fantasy/sci-fi vidya like tes and fallout and the like

>>24912327
>discworld
LE RANDUM XD THE WORLD IS A TURTLE HAHA LE QUIRKY BRITISH HUMOR AMIRITE COR BLOIMEY

>>24912564
It's a comedy. it's supposed to be ridiculous.

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>Winds never gets published
>Shireen never burns
>Therefore I can forever hype up that Shireen will be Queen

It's honestly win-win.

>>24912573
He asked for works like ASOIAF, not hacky Bri'ish "humour" with ass-tier worldbuilding.

>>24912598
Kino ending
>>24912576

>>24912564
Unironically discworld is more cohesive than ice and fire
You just need to understand british culture and what its parodying

>>24900749
Best is tyrion by far, jaime and cat are pretty great too

Worst are bran and dany

Everyone else is somewhere in the middle

>>24912726
He's probably just mad that Prachet wasn't a based /pol/tard or some equally vapid shit, his critique reads as shallow and irrational.

>>24912726
oi've not got a loicense ta undastand bri'ish culcha
>>24912750
I just don't find British people funny. Monty Python is a pile of steaming shit too (I'm surprised the British don't eat it because all their food is steaming sloppy shit lmao)

>>24912748
dance tyrion is atrocious

>>24912297
Chronicles of the Black Company

Have there been any good asoiaf video/board/roleplaying games?

The Others started marching south because a giant ice volcano exploded somewhere in the deep north that made everything there uninhabitable for them there. It's essentially The Others' equivalent to The Doom of Valyria. The Long Night isn't about them coming to seek out and destroy all living things with warm blood in them all that is a misunderstanding of the prophecy being read wrong. The Others with Bran Stark as their king will sit the Iron Throne or what's left of it and will rule Westeros for the next several generations the death of the dragons marked the end of not only house Targaryen but also the end of the age of fire. The Long Night is all about the coming of a new dynasty.

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>>24912297
No, not really.
The Last King of Osten Ard by Tad Williams is kinda similar though, and a lot of people like it (I didn't, dropped it halfway throught book 1).
Also, R*ddit often recommends The Monarchies of God series (haven't tried it myself yet).

>>24912297
When the sun has set, no candle can ever replace it

>>24898855
Read a novelette by George RR Martin.
https://clarkesworldmagazine.com/martin_10_13_reprint/

Oh no no no no, we lost GRRMsistahs! Penguin made an illustrated hardcover set of ASoIaF where they used AI art!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrKdhDN7j0s

Brap

>>24900431
I assume it appeals to the same strain of pavement ape that needs "representation" in media.

>>24900835
>reclaiming dark sisters a(...).jpg
Hope you realize that sword is destined for Arya Stark, Queen of Winter

>>24902055
>Speaking of Dany, why do people think her and Young Griff are gonna fight? They ought to get married
Because that would be boring. That's why Dany is already primed to reject him. If they fight we finally get that dance with dragons even if it's a book late.

>>24913982
Can he rewrite alternate stories?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMDrCkkgQmY

>>24902055
>They ought to get married. Dany has the dragon nukes ontop of being a targ. So she's better than Faegon's other options. They're also the last two targs/black fyres left, so why not?
Dany: “ew he’s so short and effeminate, I need a tall dark triad barbarian who can rape me real good, not this little sissy who reminds me of my brother. Oh heeeyyyyy Euron :)

>>24899371
Bran chapters became quite welcome on rereads; same with Brienne. I think what really helped was combining AFFC+ADWD into one chronological reading (you can find two popular versions online: The Ball of Beasts and Boiled Leather).

>>24913982
kino, actually

>>24912377
>steven erikson's
>>malazan book of the fallen
I have heard that this is excellent. I think Erikson is an anthropologist or something similar by trade, so his world-building may be quite good. I definitely have to give him a chance at some point.

Do you anons like sci-fi as well? Any recommendations there? I basically haven't read any. I would love space operas, hard scifi, alien invasion, speculative fiction, etc. Pretty much anything would be cool. I do always love a strong peppering of political intrigue in my books, too.

Gurm keeps bringing up how productive Stephen King is. Maybe he should consult with him on how to solve a messy ending with a huge explosion and just sweep it under the rug.
I'm not even joking.

>>24915178
would king even do that

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In retrospect, did Robb Stark ever say "thank you" once to the Freys for letting his forces cross The Twins? Why was Robb willing to trade countless lives for a forever war on foreign soil rather than focusing on his kingdom first and negotiating for a peace treaty with King's Landing?

>>24915281
unironically a good point
Walder Frey did nothing wrong

>>24915281
Why do you think Robb Stark rebelled against the throne, retard?

>What if Lord Balon breaks the king's peace?
>What if he- what if anything. What if wildfire drops on your head right now? Okay?

>>24915281
Retarded Robb Stark thought a notoriously petty motherfucker would be okay with being snubbed of a royal marriage pact lmao at least in the books the explanation made more sense but in the show he sacrificed his entire war campaign for "honor", the same "honor" that made him break an oath for some mid essos pussy

>>24915281
>In retrospect, did Robb Stark ever say "thank you" once to the Freys for letting his forces cross The Twins?
Yeah, Robb was an honorless asshole.

>rather than focusing on his kingdom first and negotiating for a peace treaty with King's Landing
It wasn't really some kind of nationalistic independence war. The whole point of the war was to avenge Ned Stark by punishing the Joffrey and the Lannisters.

>did Robb Stark ever say "thank you" once to the Freys
House Frey was out of line. They had a duty to House Tully to let the Stark army pass. They used their strategic value to leverage their minor position into a marriage pact with a future king.
>negotiating for a peace treaty with King's Landing
Robb would have never dared attack King Landing. If he had Jaime as a prisoner, he could have negotiated with Tywin.

>>24910892
Yup, Alt Shit X is a libtard through and through
In one of his videos he uttered the phrase "internalized misogyny" unironically

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guys I'm starting to get really scared now. Has AI gone too far? Remember the days (like a year ago) when we were making fun of it because it couldn't make realistic hands? Now it's indistinguishable from reality

>>24915900
Say goodbye to live action. You're only going to get AI slop for animated GoT and live action GoT.

>>24915914
AI is honestly the only chance we can ever get a lore accurate asoiaf adaptation, live action will always be constrained by financial, creative or ideological burdens.
preferably it should be an anime series adaptation, as in western animation but also featuring the thoughts of the respective POV characters, since in the books those are extremely important for exposition and motivation of each character, but get completely cut out in a live-action adaptation. meaning just about a third worth of content flat is simply cut away whenever the books get filmed

>>24915920
>live action will always be constrained by financial, creative or ideological burdens
You say that like most of these AI companies don't put woke parameters in their models

>>24914969
I figure Bloodraven urges Bran to give it to Jon, Jon says nah and it ends up in Aryas hands.

>>24915920
>....

>>24915926
still it democratizes the whole process and makes it way more productive and creatively unconstrained than being reliant on hundreds of actors, thousands of extras, several dozens of production companies, countless investors, opinion makers, different countries, lawyers, etc and their oftentimes horrendously retarded whims for years on end.
in the very near future it will be more viable for some animators to gather a relatively minor (still several dozen millions of dollars) investment, set up their own customized versions of generative AI and use it to primarily animate their ideally hand-drawn bits and pieces. getting way more bang per buck, considering modern animation can cost more than $10m for a single episode when produced conventionally

>>24915948
>when you're in a garbage hot take competition and you're up against a casual asoiaf fan crying laughing emoji times three

>>24910515
I don’t know what it is about this picture but probably the only time I’ve even ever come to getting footfags

>>24915948
>being reliant on hundreds of actors
The reason GoT started off being as successful in its first seasons was because the casting of Tywin, Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion, Ned Stark, Robbert Baratheon, Catelyn Tully, Littlefinger Joffrey and some of the Stark children were very strong playing their roles.

https://youtu.be/WRd3g_8-WLQ

>>24916271
still you have to also consider that you need to work with them for several years on end and after some time they'll rightfully demand ever higher pay, or start interfering with the screenwriting, becoming uppity, delivering subpar performances or wanting to end the contract because their new found fame suddenly allows them to go for greener pastures.
and those characters all were already great when they existed in book form only.
also to some extent the first and arguably second season were very good because the plot was geographically constrained.
you had a few "POV" characters, most of whom were part of the same family, all located close to most other interesting characters, which was one of the major reasons the overall stories were easy to follow and put into perspective.
now go one or two books forward and suddenly gurm's gardening spread the plot all over the place, new POVs, several completely new locations, long journeys and ever more side characters and exposition.
while it's fascinating to read it when written down in a novel, it's an absolute nightmare to expand the plot in a screen adaptation like this and still hope to retain the same level of quality like the first two seasons.
not really all that surprising DnD decided to be cheap about the scope of the later plot, cutting out tons of content hoping to keep it concise.

>>24915899
I found like three feminist male YouTuber

>>24915899
In context he was talking about Cersei, someone who blames all her problems on being a woman while there are many other women in the setting who are thriving based on their merit. I think it's very fitting to call Cersei an internalized misogynist, or at least a misogynist by low expectations.

You know Martin himself is leftwing, right? He writes for an assumed predominately leftwing audience

>>24916668
depends on what kind of leftwing they are.
some of the more modern leftoids are buttblasted because of all the portrayals of muh soggy knees, feudal system and overall cruelty in gurm's work, not realizing that just because the author writes about something doesn't necessarily mean he endorses it

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>>24916668
He may be leftist but I respect the balls on him to have the male hero kill the beloved leftist female heroine after she succumbs to her female hysteria

>>24916502
>those characters all were already great
Most actors were skilled/experienced enough and nailed their roles and the scenes they were in, adding to the high level of the show. But Tywin was on another level, and far better in his role as the original character was written to be
The sad part of GoT was that when Ned, Tywin, Geor Mormont, Catelyn, Bobby B, and Joffrey were dead/killed, there was a big void in acting capabilities .
Dany, Tyrion and Arya couldn't carry the show like Charles Dance and Sean Bean could
>DnD decided to be cheap about the scope of the later plot, cutting out tons of content
the further they moved into the story (past the books) the more unhinged the story got.
Removing/changing good characters, misusing parts/stories like having the legendary golden company to be target dummies, having Barristan Selmy killed by a couple of masked brigands with knifes, Stannis going from the most capable ruler to getting bested by a rag tag group of boltons, Jaime keep orbiting his sister after supposed to have developed as character and having the mob of Kings Landing be a major factor in the first seasons to have Cercei basically terrorize the city, blowing up temples, with little validity to even rule the kingdom.

>>24916801
>Charles Dance
now i'm remembering his tywin/arya scenes at harrenhall. the single greatest addition of the show.
goes to show the writing team was able to pull off some good stories if they just tried

>>24916680
>what kind of leftwing
there is supposed to be only 1 kind, any deviation and your basically part of an SS unit

>>24916635
>Cersei, someone who blames all her problems on being a woman
She considers herself Tywins true heir in all but gender, thinking she's not treated as such because she's a woman.
In reality, Tyrion is Tywins true son and equal. Cercei is blind to being used/played by Littlefinger, Aurane Waters and others, thinking she's in control of the city and parts of the kingdom, in reality, only having control over Jaime, which she is losing.

>>24916871
and moonboy for all we know

>>24916871
Cersei is probably the best midwit representation in the series. She shat out some incest puppies and thinks that makes her worth anything, rather than being a massive liability whose narccasistic lust led to two civil wars.

>>24916944
I feel a little bit sorry for her, how she thinks she's playing the game of thrones as well as her father was. In reality, she's just a pawn on the board she thinks she has full control over

>>24916995
She is the rich former queen, her life is better than 99.9% of people in the world. Still, Tywin being 1% of a good father could have mended many of her problems.

>>24917007
>Tywin being a good father
Cercei was always an evil cunt, doomed to fail by overestimating herself, no matter how she was parented
But if Tywin realized how valuable Tyrion could be for him and the family if he would treat him as such, with a little more respect, turning a blind eye to him whoring, he'd be much more powerful and effective.
Ironically, Tywin always preaching about family, was ruined by his children because he was a horrible father

I don't understand. It was actually Jeffrey hiring assasin on Bran??? Not Cersei or Jamie?

>>24916668
>he writes
He does???

>>24916944
Calling her a midwit is very generous. She's disastrously stupid.

So are there really weirwoods and greenseers being kept alive by them against their will inside the Wall? Are the Others actually said greenseers' pissed off shadow babies trying to express to the world that they just want to die already? Please enlighten me.

>>24908746
It sounds a lot like Paris, and George loves his croissants.

>>24915682
Nice one.
>>24917056
>turning a blind eye to him whoring
When did he expresss this being a problem? I was sure that the books hammer it pretty strongly that he hated Tyrion for being a freak, rather than any personality traits. There's even this self-insert quote from the Lannister auntie who says that Tyrion is Tywin's deformed copy.

So is Euron = Daario = Benjen basically confirmed at this point?

>>24917084
Joff had the makings of a great king. He was a true pragmatist, a kid, crippled, lying in bed the rest of his life is a burden and a benefit to nobody. He made the difficult choice a king must make some times

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>>24917131
Tyrion is notorious for whoring
When Tywin sends him to KL to be hand of the king in his place, he tells him not to bring his whore with him. Tyrion does so anyway.
I don't think the whoring was what really bothers Tywin, I think he just dislikes Tyrion being who he is especially by being his son. He uses the whoring as a way to chastise him. Tywin knows, other than the whoring, Tyrion has little flaws and is the most capable out of his children

>>24917116
he used to, years ago. I have book he'd written 16 years ago, I can't tell you if he has written anything since, but I don't think so

>>24915948
Good morning saar

So, did Tywin fuck Tysha?

Desmera Redwyne owes me a blowjob.

>>24917298
They played Westeros Universalis 5 and discussed political implications of Cercei's betrothal

>>24917137
The Harry S Truman of Westeros.

>>24916695
gurrrlll this incel fantasy is definitely NOT happening in the books trust me sister, daenerys is LITERALLY the song of ice and fire and will end up being the high empress of both westeros and essos

>>24917541
That's after getting chocked and impregnated by the dark triad Daario Naharis, obviously.

>>24916695
>freed thousands of slaves
>make a constant effort to be righteous
>plays a key part in defeating a purely destructive undead army

>has 1 lapse in judgement and lets her dragon burn down a city and people that arguably had the best reason to get a good cleansing by fire.
>get killed for it by your nephew/lover
Fking Jon Snow...

>>24917597
ah dun wan et

>>24916814
Also by letting some of the actors write their scenes from time to time which is something that The Sopranos also did a lot to great effect.

>>24917597
t. didn't watch the episode

He killed her because she said that only she is allowed to choose what is morally right and wrong. That told Jon everything about her future reign if he let her live.

>>24917644
speaking of the Sopranos, why has nobody ever done an ASOIAF/Sopranos crossover fic? Make the crime families into houses. It could work. What part of Westeros is most like Jersey?

>>24917597
>freed thousands of slaves
You have to wonder if showfags really didn't get this, but for all her good intentions, every Essos city she governed was strictly worse off. She embroiled the region in war and didn't succeed in eradicating slavery at all.

George has made a rod for his own back by appealng to these lefty retards, every year there are more fags and women who get lured into readign asoiaf because they think that George is as far to the left as they are and then are completely shocked at all the pedo shit in his books, give it a few more years (implying he lives that long) and the same fags and hags will try to cancel him for it. You reap what you sow, fatass.

>>24917846
They don't have overlapping fanbases for obvious reasons.

>>24915178
Just have the red comet crash on Dorne and spare us any more Martell nonsense

>>24911598
Given the sheer size of the North how did Robb not have the biggest army in Westeros?

>>24918388
Population density, crops fertility, inability of the lord to actually extend control over the entire region and all of his nominal subjects. Finland is 50% bigger than Uganda, yet Uganda has nearly 50mln people, meanwhile there's only 5 millions in Finland. I would say this was one of the more logical things GRRM did

>>24918395
Given how die hard everyone was for Ned it's hard to believe they wouldn't all rally behind Robb, Even the Boltons signed on. Ugandas population size is due to them being subsidised by the West, the North is self sufficient. Just looking at the map the whole war feels ridiculous. How did the Lannisters hold them and the Tullys off? You can't expect me to believe the Westerlands have a greater population than the North

>>24918404
>Even the Boltons signed on
yes and then did their very best to conserve their own troops while all the others died off in disproportionally large numbers.
roose is a shark that smelled blood.

the rest is crop cycles and climate.
there's a reason rice farmers living in warm climates like like india, china and the like throughout history made up 40-50% of world's population, even before modern medicine or western gibs.

>>24911598
How the hell did the north not just march straight into Kings landing omegalol

>>24918411
There is no use bringing crop cycles and climate into consideration when the whole agricultural system is not logical or even possible

>>24911598
How do ironcucks, with a few shitty islands described as very bad for agriculture, even have a population size above 100k?

>>24918610
150-200k is somewhat plausible but fans have counted their population up to about 400k or even higher up to one million, which would be unreliastic i think

I'd like to remind everyone that the last 20 years in the setting were of CONSTANT SUMMERS AND SPRINGS. Which means they could harvest more than once a years, like Ancient Egypt did back in the day.

Which means the population should be much, much larger.

What are people supposed to be dying off of? War? Nope, except the Ironborn Rebellion 20 years of peace. The elements? Nope, 20 years of summers and springs. Hunger? Nope, they should be overflowing with food. Plague? There wasn't one in the last 20 years at minimum? Disease? If you discount malnutrition and the elements as hazards, you actually don't have that many left that could wipe out larger numbers.

>>24918692
People don't reproduce like frogs.

>>24918941
Yes, but they do adjust to their economic situation. And Westeros under Robert's reign is a land of milk and honey for a Medieval peasant, since 90% of things that would cause him death, distress, or general ruination do not apply.

And yet we have King's Landing with fucking 500,000 people, which is the size of Constantinople at its absolute peak, but on the other hand half the continent is completely empty.

>>24902217
i didn't expect shitposters to be German desu

>>24919123
This thread/general is very German. Nothing but passive aggression and nitpicking.

>>24918388
The North's population density is very low, the weather (Even with Westeros wacky season patterns) makes it so a large portion of the population is required to tend the fields to sustain everyone, is less people you can take during wartime, also, the Northerners lack the martial/knightly traditions of the Andals, so there's no real core of soldiery ready at all times. Also some parts of the North like Skagos, Sea Dragon's point and the mountain clans seem to be fully or partially AWOL at all times, not counting the logistical task of gathering lage men from all across the regiion. the Stormlands face the same conditions

>>24918404
the Riverlords are poorer then the Westernlords, meaning they can field smaller, less well-equipped armies (They also suffer demographic collapse every generation or so with conflict, the last one still in living memory fought mainly on that region), by the time Robb arrived the Lannister hosts already wiped the floor with them. Also Riverlanders are retarded because they somehow lost to an inexperienced Jaime Lannister and a bunch of ragtag Mountain Men; they later fucked up all Robb's strategy by letting Tywin leave and relieve Kings Landing

>>24918610
>>24918657
Their real life inspiration (700s vikings) had a population of around 700k people, so I imagine its around that number, they can fish and take whatever grows on their islands but seem to make enough from trade and plundering to sustain their population, also, poor people breed like rats, the Ironborn infant mortality rate must be 3x that of continental Westerosi but they make for it in numbers.

I love Davos.

>>24919300
>passive aggression and nitpicking
...but enough about george's relationship with LOTR.

>>24919743
t. stannis

>>24919300
>This thread/general is very German. Nothing but passive aggression and nitpicking.
That's not because it's very German, it's because the thread is filled to the brim with trannies and fatherless men who get anxiety at the thought of replying directly to a post because their only experience with conflict comes from being yelled at by a teacher or a boss.

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>"Nah, I'd win."

>>24920051
>Drogon sees flaming sword
>eats Dany and kneels to Stannis
>every reader uncontrollably ejaculates

>>24920051
my knees... they're bending on their own!

>>24920165
My sword and insides.. they are burning... What if Davos sees me like this?!!!

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>>24920244
Daario Naharis, Drogo, girlboss power, old men yaoi. No wonder women love the series

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Howlandbros... our response?

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>>24920343
he's too comfy to move a finger.
or simply too smart to get involved with the kingdoms and their retarded affairs, he's also most likely a greenseer himself and might be pursuing a completely different plan from what one might expect

>>24920343
Isn't howland the old pope guy?

>>24920343
Gurm kinda forgot about Howland

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>>24920358
>Howland Reed POV

>>24920343
"Not my problem".

>>24919985
Ironic.

Can someone other than OP bake the next one?

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>>24921239
i usually bake the breads but the last couple have been made early by other people
i don't really care if someone else makes them as long as they're made well, sometimes they're made when i'm asleep or at work etc, but these had a poor choice of picture
also - if anyone has good ASOIAF art drop it here, i usually grab shit from the wiki for OP pics but if there's a good piece of art you have i'll throw it in the folder

>>24920244
stannis truly doesnt deserve davos
imagine cutting off the fingers of the man who saved you and your kin from a brutal death by starvation and the man in question being so impressed by you that he becomes the most loyal of your knights
one of a kind guy, a true top man, and stannis treats him like shit and only sometimes takes his usually smart advice seriously

I'm nearing the end of the first book and honestly don't feel the urge to read on. Are the others distinctly better or worse?

>>24921733
Every book is about the same level of quality, opinions differ greatly though because everyone has their own POVs that they love and ones they find boring. Bran, Sansa, and Dany chapters bore me to tears so Clash is dogshit to me.

>>24919300
We don't do that in GERMANY

>>24915063
>combine both of the worst books
>somehow makes it better
Now you smeared dogshit instead two dog turds.

>>24921733
>same quality
Kek, series takes a nosedive after ASOS.

>>24921781
I skip every Dany chapter on rereads.

>>24921892
>My_Man_Denzel.gif

>>24921733
They get slower and exponentially weirder.

>>24921892
I skip Dany
I skip Dorne
I skip chapters in the South
I skip chapters in the North

>>24921733
They generally get better but it depends on how you view it, they start to meander more
The first three are the tightest written and a plurality of people would agree that the third book is the best, other say its the fifth

>>24919743
'vos going to 'gos to find 'kon is my most anticipated plot from the next book

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>>24915943
*Stannis the Mannis

>>24902455
Fevre Dream is nice. And finished.

>>24906446
> Now they're just Lannister lapdogs.
Good thing alliances are so persistent and betrayal never happens in this universe.