Overpriced Cover Art Edition>Old:>>25015573>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
>>25026595>James Cameron's imperialistic pasticheImperialistic? Kek>The culinary fate of intentionality aprés le DelugeWhat in the goddamn
>>25026595>Under the SkinSpeaking of which, is the novel better? From what I hear the movie actually took so many liberties only the premise is kinda similar.
>>25027217>all of vampire hunter d novels are translated>not even 5% of guin saga is
anyone else on the right side here? Do people literally "see" entire scenes play out in real time? Even when it comes to characters I basically have no concept of what they look like save a vague bodily shape.
>>25027238I can see and hear things at will. Taste is a little harder but if I've experienced a taste, I can probably recall it with a little effort. Scent and touch I haven't figured out how to imagine yet.
>>25027238>Do people literally "see"you don't "literally" see anything. you see it with your mind's eye. i swear all the people who claim to have aphantasia are just fucking morons who don't understand why they can't project images onto the inside of their eyelids
>>25027248I think you are just assuming your own experience is everyone's experience. I've always been able to imagine things, but its always something blurry or vague -- like an impressionist painting or something. No matter how much I focus on it it doesn't become anymore clear, if anything it gets worse if I focus too hard on it. Having an actual coherent scene with motion and characters is definitely not something I can do.
Nigga gotta eat.
In a world with over a billion English speakers, somehow the only people making stories for young men are the Japanese with their Light Novels, a nation that doesn't even speak English.What have we done to deserve this? Why can't I get English novels about the fantasy adventures of teen boys anymore?
>>25027268its called YAF and its still very popular
>>25027268aren't those just YA?
Elric of Melnibone was better than I was expecting but Fortress of the Pearl is ass. I guess "thoughtful and intelligent male main character turns into a fucking retard so girlboss can constantly drag him out of trouble" wasn't such a worn out trope at the time, but that doesn't mean it was ever a good one.
>>25027268I just read this, though it's from 8 years ago. It's true, but the writing quality of the pulp masters were leagues better. Are there any light novels with good prose?https://steemit.com/books/@cheah/between-pulp-wonders-and-light-novel-trash
>>25027229sadly there's no lack of fantasy in english and few would bother publishing a tremendously long-running series like guin saga
>>25027280nta but in general VNs are better than LN. Though they are pandered to otaku audience in mind so retarded sex scenes are unavoidablei genuinely enjoy picrel and the prose is acceptable
>>25027289I've become a hardcore lover of Muv-Luv myself. Best military sci-fi that money can buy as far as I'm concerned, but you need an extremely high tolerance thershold for high-pitched squealing from underage (actually adult) anime girls for hundreds of hours if you choose to read them, basically cutting the potential audience down to a tiny fraction of what far worse western series can find.I don't know if this is a blessing or a curse. On one hand it keeps normies away and the fanbase remains untainted, but on the other hand it keeps normies away and the fanbase remains too small for the series to be financially viable. Visual novels are a highly endangered artform.I'd take a Muv-Luv or a Muramasa over Sun-Eater or Red Rising any day.
>>25027305Yeah they’re deeply flawed and not remotely comparable to older fiction by any stretch but they’re damn fun. I would take these over modern YA any day. If I have to consume slop at least let it be fun slop
>>25027305Japanese media would improve 1000x if they got rid of the kawaii obsession.
>>25027289I've enjoyed VNs, but also way too many of these are too long. Like, up to 50 hours too long. The padding and repetition in them is insane. I also kind of feel like the hype moments in VNs are better because of the insane build ups to them, so I dunno, I just kind of think its how the medium works at this point.
>>25027272>>25027270YA are currently only written for women. There's nothing there for straight men.
>>25027311And the loli stuff too. It's just disgusting.
>>25027347i find it hard to be that offended by it when it's so cartoonish and patently unlike real children, hentai can be very camp
Wow ok fuck this eight ways to Sunday>second book entirely about a kid who gets shanghaied into flying space cities>through pluck and guts and intelligence manages to survive and slowly make something of himself, ultimately using his daring and ability to synthesize political history to stick his neck out on the line and solve a major problem that essentially avoids a war>gets made City Manager of the entire hyperspace-traveling city of New York>start of third book: Oh yeah, that guy? He was killed by firing squad because one his plans as City Manager didn't work out very well. Moving along...And now the immortal Mayor of the city is the main protagonist, the same one who gave the kid his job in the first place, and I'm supposed to just tolerate this and read about the life and adventures of a guy who lets a gaggle of "perfect machines" called the City Fathers decide who lives and who gets executed. No can do, I could humor this author for a bit but this AI-slavery is too much.
>>25027427Blish has some knowledge of hard sciences but he doesn't understand humanity one bit. It's kind of baffling that he comes up with the idea of anti-death drugs that make humans functionally immortal and just thinks.. yeah, that's fine. everyone will be down with this. there's no problem whatsoever with a human mind just living for centuries doing the same thing forever, with all the hard decisions being made by machines.True autismcore
>>25027254right so you're like a normal person. few people have perfect mental imagery and even when they do, they can only picture aspects of an overall image perfectly in turn. Nobody conjures up a scene of the Navarro Piazza and just mentally pictures 100 people plus their haircuts and shoes and jewelry and the particular shapes of the clouds and their trajectories and so on. But they can explore bits of that scene in turn, perhaps very well.
>>25027311>>25027347I think you anons would like Vampire Hunter D and Legend of the Galactic Heroes novels.
AI fanfic is kinda fun ngl
I started reading The Thousandfold Thought
>>25027493problem is actual proper NOVELS basically don't exist in japan beyond what gets translated. light novel seems to be their default format.
>>25027536I wish I had the confidence of idiots
>>25027537ask and you shall receive, anonnette
>>25027305based muvluv enjoyer
Are the Sun-Eater books really that bad?
>>25027625Imagine a man. He is a millennial. He grew up reading the same things you did, if you are of that age. He liked Berserk since he was in middle school. He discovered Frank Herbert and Gene Wolfe and fancied himself, heh, just a little bit smarter than the dumb jocks who were going to parties and scoring with girls that he resented. This man experienced a religious conversion. Like Gene Wolfe, his idol, he became a Roman Catholic. This is a man who believes he has found the holy truth. And he is not only now part of the divine mysteries of the world, but is also more intelligent and more sophisticated than the unwashed masses who cannot even sawy the Pater Noster in Latin. He is steeped in his studies of the Roman Empire, he knows the emperors well and finds in them pale reflections of his own virtues. Hard times create strong men, and he is such a one, in his own mind, for he has endured the hardships of reading Book of the New Sun. He even has a bachelor's degree!And now he writes some books. He writes Sun Eater.
>>25027642so...they are good?
>>25027642I don't know. Christopher Ruocchio seems like a cool dude and exactly the kind of guy I imagined would be writing something like Sun Eater.
>>25027660Wife or sister?
>>25027655I've read the first three and will probably stick around for the rest.
>>25027668his wife jenna, I think
>>25027660ME SO PALE
>/sffg/>the "Sun Eater, Visual Novel and R. Scott Bakker" general
>>25027699more like>/sffg/>Cuckolds and friends.
let's talk about your favorite books then instead of making a passive aggressive post like a damn pussy
>>25027699>>25027757it's the weekend
>>25027699>read the first sun eater book>it was such a slog that i lost the will to read anything for the last 2 monthsThis series is one big meme, right? How the fuck can you go through the same shit 7 more times
>>25027764Would you read fun fantasy about this anthropomorphic dog person who goes through a bunch of YA nonsense in a world of whimsy and wonder?
>>25027773It gets better. First book is just very derivative.
>>25027802So is the 2nd, but let's not have this talk again.
God i hate the ace edition covers
>>25027305>Best military sci-fi that money can buyloli wish 4chan was a good place to discuss visual novels>>25027699/sffg/ has been filled with normalfags reading the same megapopular trash over and over and over and over and over for longer than it hasn't.
>>25027873What are some books that give you the genuine CHOMP experience?
>>25027764I like Elric stories
>>25027625They're hamstrung by the author trying to write a subversive puzzle box and a genuine epic at the same time. He's much better at the latter. Still if you take them as longform planetary romance pulp they're pretty fun.
>>25027518Now I want to write Red Rising from a brilliant egoist's perspective. Would be way more interesting than Darrow.
>>25027906so what should exactly be: some kind of trad cath space epic slop?
>>25027885I would like to read some Elric but there doesn't seem to be a good collection that makes the stories easily accessible
>>25027975Have you anything to say about it?
>>25027764I like Howard's ConanTolkien obviously, LotR and Silmarillion especiallyLove Book of the New Sun + Urth, Long Sun was good too, haven't read Short Sun yetI just read Darkness That Comes Before and Warrior Prophet and both were pretty amazing so I will continue reading BakkerMalazan is fairly enjoyable and fun, I'm like 6 books in so still a ways to go
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>>25027974It has been recently collected in like 3 volumes by Saga Press.
>>25028097>>25028105Conan, Tolkein, Wolfe, Bakker, Eriksonsimply epic :D
>>25028106Three hardcover volumes that take up half a bookshelf and cost $100 just doesn't seem anywhere near reasonable for "what if Conan was an evil elf"Don't these volumes order everything chronologically instead of by publication order as well? Miss me with that shit, call me when I can buy some paperbacks
>>25028178Mate. Try buying some Kane books. Those prices will make you weep.
>>25028186that's more because centipede press had a really limited print run. for some reason estate doesn't want to strike a deal with anyone else to have the novels be more widely available.
>>25028215>>25028186
>>25028178The volumes are ordered in the way the author wants them to be ordered.
>>25028219smug cunt
>>25027780>YA nonsenseTake that back, you dog. I agree there’s a middle part that is school shenanigans but to Moers’s credit, it’s easily the best “anime school arc” I’ve ever read.
>>25028278I'll allow it for Rumo getting drunk and having his crush's name tattooed on his arm and the duel with the teacher, that was some Princess Bride level of fencing kino.
>>25027305>dude my chinese cartoons are super deepWhat is a "normie" in your definition, virgin?
>>25028286Agreed. I always loved how Rumo gets under DeLucca’s skin. I was hoping for a DeLucca vs. Rumo rematch but the story is great as it is.
Finally finished this and I thought it was enjoyable. I think it was better in will of the many in some ways and worse in others but I’m curious why it sees to have been disliked by a few. Was it th viewpoints?
>>25028295By "normie" I mean someone who can't stand little anime girls squealing while they ride onii-chan's big dick or get tentacles in every orifice. A normal person.Why are you so insecure btw? I never said anything about depth.>>25028296He will be missed.
>>25027642What drives a grown man to write this kind of catty hate fiction, seething with envy, about a mildly successful author?
>>25027625No fantasy or sci-fi book written in first-person perspective has ever been good.
>>25027642New copypasta just dropped
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j6eguShwu-E&pp=ugUEEgJlbtIHCQlPCgGHKiGM7w%3D%3D
The words of the books I plagiarized burn me still. I see them through my eyelids, crtl+c to ctrl+v, from the lost annals of the scifi library. The stealing should harrow me but does not. It feels almost holy, as if it were God’s own heavens that allowed me to publish and sell 7 books before anyone noticed, the world and billions who lived in it. I carry this Guilt always, seared into my mind, with no excuses, no denials, and no apologies. I know what I am and what I have done.>>25027642Brutal. Trvth Nvke.
Picrel heavily sells itself on that idea that's it's not a typical chosen one, ancient prophecy, hyper traditional sort of fantasy epicBut it is just The Wheel of Time. Not even "inspired by" Wheel of Time, but is very nearly a plagiarization.Obviously there are no morals as far as marketing goes, but this was just a self-published dude, right? I genuinely don't get it. What's the backstory with this guy?>>25027876ASOIAF I suppose.
>>25029389>of blood and fire swept me awaythats od man...das fiya...
>>25029389>endorsement by John GwynneRed flag
>>25029176Just fix the type on "sawy the Pater Noster" and maybe add this narration>>25029339to it somehow
>>25028374Why the meltdown, virgin?Shutin pedophiles sure seem to carry a lot of existential angst.
>>25029510>virtue signaling on 4chanyou belong to reddit and tiktok
>>25029389>In the remote villages of southern Epheria, still reeling from the tragic loss of his brother, Calen Bryer prepares for The Proving—a test of courage and skill that not all survive.>The ProvingYour slop radar is weak.
>>25027345>YA are currently only written for women. There's nothing there for straight men.Just as true for LNs.
>>25028219Based shelf that saved /sffg/I really need you to post the entire thing at some point. The slow reveals of more hardcover kinos every half a year is not enough.
>>25027974Either the Grafton/Ace Paperbacks or The Gollancz Paperbacks
>>25027885Honestly I am more of an edgy contrarian.I have a bias against The Black Company by Glen Cook and Malazan series by Steven Erikson.I'm surprised that the authors still releases new entries.
>>25029529It's not slop, or at least not the definition I'd use. It has a bit of that magic I like to see in self-publish, which is both being incredibly earnest and almost kid-like in its ambitions. The guy definitely read and re-read Wheel of Time as a kid and then said "i love it so much, i will make one of those myself one day" and then didit's just weird to do that and ALSO have all your ad copy be "There is no prophecy. His coming was not foretold. He bleeds like any man, and bleed he will."
>>25029233I'm not watching your video, sorry bro.
>>25030119I clicked the link because you wouldn't, but I wish I didn't. First off, guy looks like picrel, that's ridiculous. Second, he opens up the video with a god damn 3 point thesis statement. Dude is mentally frozen in time from when he was a sophomore and his English teacher gave him more praise than he should have.
>>25029444Done.Imagine a man. He is a millennial. He grew up reading the same things you did, if you are of that age. He liked Berserk since he was in middle school. He discovered Frank Herbert and Gene Wolfe and fancied himself, heh, just a little bit smarter than the dumb jocks who were going to parties and scoring with girls that he resented. This man experienced a religious conversion. Like Gene Wolfe, his idol, he became a Roman Catholic. This is a man who believes he has found the holy truth. And he is not only now part of the divine mysteries of the world, but is also more intelligent and more sophisticated than the unwashed masses who cannot even say the Pater Noster in Latin. He is steeped in his studies of the Roman Empire, he knows the emperors well and finds in them pale reflections of his own virtues. Hard times create strong men, and he is such a one, in his own mind, for he has endured the hardships of reading Book of the New Sun. He even has a bachelor's degree!And now he takes up his pen.>The words of the books I plagiarized burn me still. I see them through my eyelids, crtl+c to ctrl+v, from the lost annals of the scifi library. The stealing should harrow me but does not. It feels almost holy, as if it were God’s own heavens that allowed me to publish and sell 7 books before anyone noticed, the world and billions who lived in it. I carry this Guilt always, seared into my mind, with no excuses, no denials, and no apologies. I know what I am and what I have done. I am Christopher Ruocchio, and I have written the Sun Eater.
>>25030203
>>25030131Thank you for your sacrifice.
>>25029529The Proving winds up not being important at all to the plot, it's basically just a coming of age ritual for bumfuck villages in the middle of nowhere given a grandiose name for no particular reason. It's basically just an excuse for the protagonist and his friends to stumble onto not-Trollocs whilst doing their little test of manhood and kick off the plot.
>>25027345Except for the tons and tons of stuff that was written over the last 100 years? I'm still working my way through authors that died before I was born, I dunno how you have time to fuss over stuff published this year.
>>25029389lol I looked it up and realized that I actually read this book last year. I didn't recognize it because they already "updated" the cover art to something else (I guess warm colors are "in" now?) and the title is so utterly generic there's no way you could ever remember it. Wow blood AND fire? Why not throw shadow in there too?Yeah you are right in that it is heavily derivative of Robert Jordan. I remember by chapter 2 going "this is wheel of time fan fiction" and nothing that happened afterward caused me to reevaluate my initial take. I had so many derisive comments to make about it in my review here but I never got around to writing it and just forgot about the book which I guess is the most damning possible review one could make of it.
>>25027462This. I suspect the whole aphantasia thing is just people talking past each other. I can picture an apple, even a detailed apple, but I don't really see it in the same way as I see a real apple with my eyes.
>>25027518Yup, I have been exploring alternate plotlines for my favourite universes in the same way.
>>25028343I bought it on release, but i still havent gotten around reading it, too busy with my job and gaming. Heard a lot of negative comments, never read the guys previous series so i have no clue what im in for with the 2nd book. Personally im not sure why everyone was raving about the first book either, it was just ok.
>have seen the Tripod depicted many times over in videogames, movies, etc>still taken aback the first time they're described on the pageHow did he do it?? Is this what I've been missing out on by not reading??
>>25030311I liked Strength of the Few a lot more than Will of the Many, which I also thought was merely "okay". I think people who disliked it wanted the smaller, more trite story about revenge against the Republic, and the second book instead goes into a much larger, less clear cut conflict that requires Vis to become even more morally compromised than he was before. Or it could be the split perspective aspect just got on people's nerves. Inevitably you will prefer one of the perspectives more than the others and so when it cuts away from the one you're enjoying for another, less interesting perspective, you'll probably groan in exasperation. I got so fucking tired of Druid world before the end.
>zoomers have had their attention span completely ruined by smartphones>most of them are incapable of reading textbookshate to see it
>>25030324I liked the Druid world and the found family theme it had for Vis, even if it was cliche. I found the Egypt one more confusing because it wasn’t clear to me at times on what the place looked like. The issue is that you get thrown a lot of characters, names and concepts thrown at you and it’s hard to track it all especially.
>>25029389My friend read all of this series and apparently the first two books are extremely generic and then he finally does his own original stuff after that and it apparently got really good.Dunno if I'm in the mood for "it gets good 3 books in" though
>>25030332Who wants to read textbooks though?
>>25029416>>endorsement by John Gwynne>Red flagHow come?
>>25030320The descriptions are cool but the story itself is weak, which is typical for that time period
>>25030435Everything of John Gwynne's that I have read has bored me to tears. The man is incapable of suspense and a stranger to drama.
>>25030427That is the calling card of sunk cost fallacy.
I just made it to the end of the Chain of Dogs. Justice for my nigga List. Justice for my nigga Bult. Justice for my nigga Coltaine.
>>25030251The WoT stuff is pretty shameless in spots. In one of the middle chapters the party is staying in a city called Camylin, and they're forced to flee their inn in the middle of the night to get away from a creature called a Fade. They escape through the locked basement of a merchant that has a tunnel out of the city.He even mimicks some of the smaller details, like how two perspective characters are both in the same city but don't realize it.
Am currently going through the dune series. Are either of the books written after Frank dies worth reading?
>>25029233Ed Feser refuted his philosophy.https://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2015/01/post-intentional-depression.html
>>25030678Absolutely not. It's one of those situations where if you really loved Dune and wanted more of it then you are precisely the sort of person who should never read them, because they'll just make you madOnly read them if you hate Dune
>>25030703>some literal who has a blogspot post about this!!uh huh. very useful contribution.
>>25030582There was justice already. Mallick Rel gave it to you. Consider this mercy.
>>25030703what philosophy? whos philosophy? what are you talking about?
>>25030582You did not even mention all of themI doubt that you have gotten to the end yet haha
>>25030733>Mallick RelHis bit is happening as we speak. I believe in my man Keleb.
>>25030730You don’t have to be rude to Bakker like that.>>25030738R. Scott Bakker. He wrote some fantasy books and had a philosophy blog.
>>25030815Bakker is a published author, not some no-name academic working for Pasadena City Community College (lmfao) with a blogspot account
>>25030844He is both those things. He is not even on the first page of results if you google "Scott Bakker"
>>25030582The Chain of Dogs is when it finally clicked with me what Erikson's whole deal was, which is: letting readers experience firsthand the epic backstories of the setting and its legendsit's not like LotR where the legends are tucked away in expository paragraphs or psudo history books, or like Dark Souls where you have to infer and guess and a lot of the worldbuilding happens externally. And it's not like most books where only a handful of characters - or even just one - get the treatment. It applies to characters, groups, nations, gods, all of them.You are there, with them, seeing it all happen, and most of the time you don't even realize you're witnessing an insane origin story until like the 80% mark. Gruntle in the next book, Karsa FUCKING Orlong in the one after that, god they're all so good.>>25030865>He is not even on the first page of results if you google "Scott Bakker"...?
>>25030815>R. Scott Bakker. He wrote some fantasy books and had a philosophy blog.Well if that blog "retort" is anything like that video, im not trusting any criticism of Bakker till I read the books for myself. I watched that video because I was skeptical about Prince of Nothing based on all the seeminglt edgy stuff it had. So that guy in the video tricked me by appealing to my biases about edgy anime, and how they love to just be narrowly edgy for the sake of a contrived point because they think edgy is deeper than not.But it wasnt until the retard in the video kept using Nihilism, wrong, implied that criticism of free will is wrong because "thats not what people REALLY mean by free will" (which is just a cheap retarded way that stupid people use to get out of any argument "X isnt what i REALLY mean, so I dont have to own the blindspot implications of my beliefs because the fact that i wasnt aware of those problems, or didnt intend for those problems to arise, means that youre arguing against the wrong thing".Then when he went on about "I just cant imagine anything but intelligent design being true" I just stopped. Even if you truly believed in intelligent design, a sophisticated and well read person wouldnt say something that stupid, when there are SO many things to prove intelligent design wrong, and so many wrong assumptions about how the world works, based on ignorance, that "validate" intelligent design.The argument he used to invoke intelligent design was stupid too. He showed two wires and explained how one has a purpose because "it was made with intent" and another was just a "random" bent wire so it has no purpose.What he wasnt aware of, and what Christian retards often arent aware of (as he went on later in the video to dispel the implication that we make our own meaning) is the ironic fact, that in the very act of "showing" how the random bent wire had no purpose, to contrast the intentionally made wire, he expressed a purpose in that wire.It's ironic. Its almost like meaning is made up, and its inherently embroidered in our arbitrary use.Its funny, these "everything is super meaningful and matters!!!" dudes never really have the self awareness to realize how their staunch attachment to the idea of "meaning" is infact one of the very things that fundamentally breaks the idea that anything can mean anything, because they dont actually have the basis to invoke meaning, theyre essentially brute forcing it, and arbitrarily excluding other meanings, emphasizing how conditional on "belief" and "human relevance" "meaning" is.These dudes are so absurdly unphilosophically curious its actually sad. I almost got swindled by him, im almost glad he had the honestly to be so brazenly and openly stupid because he has no self awareness about the implications of his beliefs.
>>25030888>dark soulseriksonfags compare their slop with vidya and pretend erikson is "literary fantasy" LMAO
Finished The Book That Broke The World. It was alright but fuck me it seems nothing at all was achieved in this book. I somewhat jest but it really felt like meandering or a good part of it>We must leave the library>We must go back to the library>We must go to another part of the library>We must split up in the libraryEven though the rules are consistents it's still hard to keep track of things. It's not that things aren't explained but they tend to be closely packed together and it's easy to miss some things. Sometimes things were happening and I just assumed they made sense and carried on without actually being sure. One character disappear about halfway through the book and only comes back in the very last chapter, having had an arc all to herself that looked way more interesting than what we had to follow.I'm two books deep so yeah I'll read the last part when it gets published in my country, but this definitely felt very "middle part of a trilogy". I do begrudgingly appreciate the scholarly human male X hot furry female warrior shipping but you won't have me on my cursed fetishes alone, Lawrence. Finally, I am confused, didn't Malar kill Jons, why was he alive in the very last chapter?
>>25030915But the comparison is that Malazan is *not* like Dark Souls. That is in fact better termed a contrast.I suppose Erikson haters can't read, which I think we all always suspected
>>25030915I like Malazan, it's fun, but you can definitely feel the DnD tabletop RPG roots. It's also so full of humor and comedy at times that I think the tones clash too much when comparing certain books and chapters, like holy shit this is the same series the fuck. At times it feels like a downright Pratchett novel and then you have to put that up against the fucking giga rape necrophile sex army who loves to rape and murder in the most horrific ways.Malazan is closer to a Hollywood movie in how it's trying to entertainn you imo.
>>25030738>whaaa??? buhh??? huhh????
>>25031016what did you not understand?
>>25031021You are retarded.
Gollancz or Orbit publishing? Does it matter? Do US publishers fuck with words like colour to color even when the author is from UK and stuff?
>>25030844Bakker actually liked the article lol.Bakkerfag on suicide watch.
>>25030949The fact that you need to compare a book with a video game is proof enough of your idiocy.>>25031003Malazanfags will unironically try to pretend that you should put the time and the effort in to read 1500 pages of slop.
>>25031091*15,000
>>25031003>but you can definitely feel the DnD tabletop RPG rootsNo, you cannot, because the way he was influenced by tabletop are not at all obvious. The absolute worst thing Erikson ever did was talk about the se roots to his college tabletop sessions, because people project their critiques onto that fact even when it's nonsensical.For example, Erikson did not play DnD, because he found it too mechanically stiff and nonsensical. Instead they played GURPS, itself built from the ground up to be a toolbox that works with essentially everything and anything. They'd have entire sessions without any battle or dungeon-diving, instead focusing on conversations, people exploring their world and histories, dealing with moral quandaries, etc. If you have even a little bit of interest in the likes of Planescape Torment, Disco Elysium, etc., then you'll immediately "get" was Erikson was doing with his sessions.Erikson is an archaeologist and anthropologist, and his goal with Malazan was to create a fictional version of the thing he loves most: origins of cultures, religions, great people, etc, the how's and why's of entire peoples, cities built upon the bones of older cities, sometimes without even knowing it, and so on.What tabletop let him do was fill out a world for people to explore. This is obviously a process every fiction writer has to go through, but the difference is that he collaborated on it with other people in a directed, intentional way. He wouldn't use these words, but in truth he was having multiple creative workshops with Ian Esslemont and Mark Paxton-Macrae, it just happened via a tabletop game instead of a writer's room discussion.
>>25031083>Bakker actually liked the article lol.Did you really not read your own picture beyond the first sentence?
>>25031083why is it that i have read philosophy and none of this sounds like philosophy to me, this is the first ive ever heard of "eliminativism" it sounds like something an anime character would come up with.if i had to guess, this is the modern tradition of philosophy where its not realky anything like philosophy, but because philosophy, and all words and concepts in the modern day especially mean nothing, its called philosophy anyway, because people think philosophy is "answering hard questions im curious about, with logic"
Eriksonfags think the "children are dying" quote is the deepest shit ever and not the most saccharine slop ever written.if erikson is such a based anthropologist then why do so many of his characters have the ideology and worldview of the modern neoliberal west?
>>25031177nobody knows what you're referring to or who you're even talking to
Adventure books with fantastic themes like paper crane characters, spirits of rivers, animated buildings, etc?Pic related has them but it is a trash romance slop.
>>25031301The two Cugel Dying Earth books
>>25027311>>25027347The kawaii and loli shit is the reason Japanese media hasn't gone down the shitter the way western media has. Unless you want uggos in Japanese media too.
Is there a site with actual short descriptions of what books are about instead of the vague buzzword nonsense from the back cover you see on Goodreads and shop sites?
>>25031115I read the entire exchange. Bakker said he liked the article and obviously respected Feser enough to have a fair philosophical debate with him. You can respect a philosopher and enjoy what they've written without agreeing with them on every single point. >>25031172https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/materialism-eliminative/Try again never.
>>25031433>Try again never.Lol. Retard. Perfect example of a substancless retard. I bet when Nietzsche said God is dead, you'd go "erm no" and point at a church, or something. Retard
>>25028215Why are they like this?
>>25029172>No fantasy or sci-fi book written in first-person perspective has ever been good.Wrong.
>>25031416gpt
>>25031452>"I've never heard of eliminativism. It must not be an actual philosophical concept.">Is presented with evidence from a reliable source that eliminativism is an actual philosophical concept with an ample body of literature about it.>Starts screeching about something irrelevant and calls me retard.I accept your concession.
Hey, bro. Wake up. I need you to name the seven principles of governance
What happened to Sanderson? Have people finally realized he’s a fraud?
>Reading Mythago Wood for the first time since I was a lot younger>Steven gets distracted by Guiwenneth's stanky forest pussy MULTIPLE times>Holdstock clearly bricked up while imagining itI did not pick up on this at all as a kid lmaooo
>>25028263A few years ago some guy on /lit/ was showing off, I think it was King of Elflands Daughter, some insane original Dunsany and I was so fucking jelly.
>>25031474nah bro i'm just tired *passes away without completing the system of german idealism*
>>25031556damn i want to take a nap and pass away that sounds so comfy
>>25027885Please convince me (>>25027273) to keep going.
I think I'm enjoying Empire of Silence because I haven't really read that much SF. Yeah it's kind of slow but it seems to get a lot of hate the past few threads.
Are there any novels or short stories about an entity coming into a small town and infesting the locals?Kind of like IT
>>25031531There was a notable drop in the quality of his more recent books after his longtime editor left. The new one seems to be too scared to tell him when his writing is shit.
>>25031636Anything popular gets hate, that's just how things work.
>>25027289I love a good VN. Muramasa is probably the peak of the medium, even if it is hard to recommend because of the sheer length.
Why are so many modern covers so fucking bad?
>>25031091>Malazanfags will unironically try to pretend that you should put the time and the effort in to read 1500 pages of slop.oh so you're just a retard with attention span problems lol
>>25031910Most art isn’t made by white men anymore
>>25031636Enjoy anon. Ruocchio comes into his own with Howling Dark, peaks with Demon in White, and more or less maintains that standard through to the end
>>25031910Sloppified as corporate nihilism crystallizes and the IQ of the reading public plummets.
We need to shut down Canadian fantasy until we figure out what the hell's going on
>>25031910For books like Dune, they just copy whatever sales data indicates is popular in the hopes of attracting new readers.
>>25031531Stormlight Archive going downhill since book 1, it's finally hit a low enough point in quality that even some of his contented readers are turned off by it. At a hypothetical point 20 years from now, if I somehow, for some reason, ever wanted to reread Stormlight Archive, I would probably stop at book 3. Book 4 is such a slog that the only way I could motivate myself to get through it is if there was something good waiting for me in book 5, but book 5 is worse. So much worse.
>>25031959Nah 5 has more good points than 4 but it's pretty hilarious that he added a tranny main character right as trannies are going out of fashion. That'll be fun to deal with in 5-10 years.
>>25031973It's so weird seeing a Mormon trying to pander to the gays when he clearly has no experience dealing with gays. Dude can't even write a hetero romance without it feeling unnatural and he goes out of his way to write something he's probably uncomfortable with?
>>25031531Mistborn was peak, Stormlight dipped in quality super fast and overall now a dumpster.
>>25031987It makes sense that everything he writes is unnatural because that's what Mormons are.
3 more hours until twelve months. what are we expecting hairy to get up to this time?
>>25031940EVEN IN THIS DAMNING EVE BEFORE HUMANITY'S DESTRUCTION BY THE BODING NO-GOD, I EAGERLY AWAIT NEW TEACHINGS FROM OUR LORD AND PROPHET R. SCOTT BAKKER!
>>25031973>that he added a tranny main character right as trannies are going out of fashion.honestly i might be insane but a trans character sounds hypothetically pretty interesting in fantasy, i could easily see how it could go very very wrong, if the author is very contrived and forced about a political narrative....BUT FANTASY!!!:DDDbut otherwise, it could be interesting
>>25032160The subject is too poisoned. "Woman going undercover as a man to do X" is an old trope that worked but it's impossible in the modern world. Plus the reverse doesn't really work in any scenario. In SL5 it's a big, butch blacksmith bitch who is part of a legalese culture so she just "has the proper forms to live as a man." It's the definition of a virtue signal token.
>>25032160the problem with trans characters is they're never properly thought out to exist in the world and the setting. and of course they can't be subtly trans or anything they have to denounce their old gender and change name and everyone claps
>>25032171>In SL5 it's a big, butch blacksmith bitch who is part of a legalese culture so she just "has the proper forms to live as a man."Eh that seems half assed and uninteresting. What I always find interesting about gender bender concept in writing or any medium, is the idea of the person who doesnt really "fit" as the other gender, having to find an identity is something theyre not necessarily predisposed to.I guess "Feminine Guy is basically treated as a girl" or "Masculine girl is basically treated as a boy" is technically "fine". But to me that just makes gender seem more arbitrary and less meaningful beyond the performativity.Something youll see in anime all the time, is the "guy" that for all intents and purposes is drawn exactly like a girl, and yet is treated like a guy and its just....what the fuck is the point at that point? The entire reason a gender transition is significant, of even a magical gender bender, is because its somebody basically dancing between percieved opposites. Even if you think the lines between gender are blurred, I feel like you need to address the perception of opposites first, and THEN you can show how the lines can be blurred.
>>25031929>Ruocchio comes into his own with Howling DarkIf by "coming into his own" you mean "lifts whole scenes from BotNS", then yes, certainly, he certainly does do that. I swear I've been here before.
>>25032114>3 more hours until twelve months. what are we expecting hairy to get up to this time?No good.
>>25031531Yeah, reddit crowd now in general don't like him, alling SA latest books Marvel slop. I personally enjoyed first three books (yes, even Oathbringer) but 4 has disappointed me, and 5th was complete fucking garbage. Just imagine - you are at page 300(!) and main characters just finished saying goodbye to each other to move onto their main quests, and the only notable events happening was Kaladin saying to librarian to be more tolerant, Shallan and Adolin having sex in a shower and Lift commenting on some guy's sexy butt. This is just bad.
>>25032243>Shallan and Adolin having sex in a showerThe Shallan and Adolin relationship remains the most baffling thing in the series for me. I simply can't believe Adolin would fall for a headcase like Shallan. Friends with her maybe but the guy has more chemistry with his sword who can't even talk than with Shallan.
i don't like canadiansthey always write disturbing stuff
>>25032304I'm Canadian, and never knew they had this reputation.
>>25028230What the author wants has nothing to do with the correct reading order of books.
>>25032224By coming into his own I meant beginning to realize the cosmic horror / planetary romance that is Sun Eater. But you don't care about that, you just want to bitch and moan as if rewriting the waiting room scene from Claw of the Conciliator to get other BotNSfags basedfacing over it somehow invalidates the entire work.Just once I'd like to see one of you niggers address the series' themes.>"themes like LE PLAGIARISM???"Yeah and Frank Herbert ripped his whole shit off from Sabres of Paradise. Tolkien built off of Lord Dunsany, Wagner, and Kullervo. Pack it in bros, SFF was a mistake.
>>25031910Pandering to the insecure.
Reading blindsight, how can you be intelligent and not be self-aware?
>hunted him until no refuge remainedwhat does it mean? did he kill him and steal all his pelts or something?
>>25032386I personally don't think you can, as intelligent is a strictly human concept. But like all words, they don't really mean anything other than how they can be used. If I had to figure, its the same way an animal can be a master of their own body, with no real understanding of how their body works. I could have used athletes as an example, but animals have a much more intuitive "understanding" of their body. Something like that.
>>25032403never mind
>>25031460I'd recommend Riddley Walker only to my worst enemy.
>>25027217Recently I've heard that some people actually don't care for the worldbuilding or lore in a story and that it's not important, kinda shocks me because I think learning about the world and hearing about tidbits of information and history is one of the best parts about reading a fantasy/sci fi story
>>25032462The problem is that a lot of modern authors are worldbuildingmaxxing at the expense of pacing, plotting, and character work which are supposed to be the core pillars of a series. I don’t hate worldbuilding autism as long as it actually serves those elements instead of replacing them
>>25032467I think I'm just going to cut out the middle man and make an encyclopedia book for my World I make, just go all the way
>>25032475which is exactly what most wannabe writers should do. or write a wiki.
does non-reddit steampunk exist? i like airships and steam powered machines but hate everyone walking around with goggles and top hats with animals inside of the
>>25032462It IS important, but not more so than the actual main story. Think of it as the difference between visuals and narrative in a film, or prose and narrative in books.
>>25032481>but hate everyone walking around with goggles and top hats with animals inside of theDon't know about animals but the style is part and parcel with the tech.
What about steampunk but instead of Victorian, its colonial/baroque style
Biotech is the future. I want my house that can heal its own wounds and repair itself without my involvement.
>>25032481Rats and Gargoyles, Mary GentleInfernal Devices, K. W. JeterThe Oswald Bastable trilogy by Michael Moorcock
>>25030440I'm ironically enjoying turn-of-the-century people/society deal with the aliens way more than I would if it was set in the present day. Not far into the story, but if I'm getting more descriptions of pre-WW1 army equipment and running away from the Martians on horse carriage, I think I'll be decently happy.
>>25031267>“‘Children are dying.’ Lull nodded. ‘That’s a succinct summary of humankind, I’d say. Who needs tomes and volumes of history? Children are dying. The injustices of the world hide in those three words.’”Malazanfags pretend this puerile trash is the deepest shit ever written>>25031913No i'm just someone who reads literature and has no interest reading 15,000 pages of slop>>25032462Because worldbuilding is what ruined fantasy>Every moment of a science fiction story must represent the triumph of writing over worldbuilding.>Worldbuilding is dull. Worldbuilding literalises the urge to invent. Worldbuilding gives an unneccessary permission for acts of writing (indeed, for acts of reading). Worldbuilding numbs the reader’s ability to fulfil their part of the bargain, because it believes that it has to do everything around here if anything is going to get done.>Above all, worldbuilding is not technically neccessary. It is the great clomping foot of nerdism. It is the attempt to exhaustively survey a place that isn’t there. A good writer would never try to do that, even with a place that is there. It isn’t possible, & if it was the results wouldn’t be readable: they would constitute not a book but the biggest library ever built, a hallowed place of dedication & lifelong study. This gives us a clue to the psychological type of the worldbuilder & the worldbuilder’s victim, & makes us very afraid.>When I use the term “worldbuilding fiction” I refer to immersive fiction, in any medium, in which an attempt is made to rationalise the fiction by exhaustive grounding, or by making it “logical in its own terms”, so that it becomes less an act of imagination than the literalisation of one. Representational techniques are used to validate the invention, with the idea of providing a secondary creation for the reader to “inhabit”; but also, in a sense, as an excuse or alibi for the act of making things up, as if to legitimise an otherwise questionable activity. This kind of worldbuilding actually undercuts the best and most exciting aspects of fantastic fiction, subordinating the uncontrolled, the intuitive & the authentically imaginative to the explicable; and replacing psychological, poetic & emotional logic with the rationality of the fake.
>>25032625>No i'm just someone who reads literaturewatch out, we have a tough guy in our presence
>>25032625If you read "literature" why do you spend all day every day in this thread crying about Malazan? Go talk about Marcel Proust or the satires of Juvenal for fuck's sake
>>25032628Posting here takes minutes of out my day and i do it at work anyway>>25032626Feel free to read 15,000 pages of slop
>>25032635>I choose to spend my time engaging with material I don't enjoy, arguing with people I don't like, even when I'm supposed to be workingThis path will not lead you to paradise.
>>25032625Lull was literally mocking him.
>>25032635I will. Thanks, anon.
I choose to read big butted goblin fiction that is basically porn and I am not going to be harassed by people who think it is shameful anymore.
I'm bored. Anyone wanna talk about which lowbro fantasy/scifi book was funniest? For me it's Toaru- ie A Certain Magical Index. I found it funny because I love the plain but funny prose, dirty jokes and the whacky slapstick.
>>25032657How big are her ears though?
I’m not sure if this is the right place to ask but since they’re fiction I’ll ask anyway.How is the Aubrey Maturin series? Is there a generally accepted stopping point or are the books consistently good throughout?
>>25027217But that's a Billain EP cover, not from a book...
>>25032662Runs the gamut from regular elf to paraglider sized based on what arouses my penis that day, sir.
>>25031531>>25031959How did it take people this long to realize Sanderson is shit? None of his books are good. He writes power fantasy slop.When I listened to his writing advice I realized why he is a bad writer. He is stupid and does not even know how stupid he is. For example when giving advice on how to write smart characters, the entire video is full of nonsense. He equates intelligence with knowledge and recollection. According to these metrics, even GPT3 is smarter than any human. Now I understand why he can't write smart characters. He does not even know what intelligence is.
The No-God
>>25031940Maybe of you read Guy Gavriel Kay instead of those meme writers this wouldn't happen.
>>25032884Because he revolutionized the genre. Simple as. Nobody wants all that nonsense like Tolkien. We. Need. SELF INSERT.
>>25032243>Marvel slopI like how 4chan still dominates internet culture and leaks it's influence everywhere else
Once again, you have to put something at least marginally relevant as a reason to join the Goodreads group. Leaving it blank isn't good enough. If you're seeing this R C, try again.
>>25032160It's a catch-22 of sorts. As you say in your other post, the real narrative punch of trans stories comes from the idea of people that don't fit into their own bodies and attempt a switch that at once feels correct but is also unfamiliarBut with magic and high technology that's a lot harder to get right. After all, if a druid can shapeshift into a bear, or a potion can heal mortal wounds, or a doctor can just grow a new limb for you, then it's probably trivial to swap genders. And if it's not obvious that you're trans, are you really trans?There's a tranny in the 2nd Pathfinder game that I think is a good template for a story. In it, there's an NPC that you'd never think is a man, other than she's a bit rough around the edges. You can eventually drag it out of her, and it's in the context that she used to be very poor and essentially became an adventurer so that she could afford the expensive MTF potion.I think it'd be night to have gender-bender character that can *technically* achieve perfect transition, but has to constantly go on dungeon dives for money, or slay mythical beasts for ingredients, or whatever else, and it's a constant tension of feeling right but it being very hard to maintain vs. having an easier but more miserable, discordant life.
>>25032160the concept is just forever tainted. you start putting that shit in your book and most people envision that stupid pink and blue flag and associate it with some pronoun warrior tramping over a community or trying to push some weird fetish shit where it doesn't belong.
Has anyone read the new Dresden Files yet?
>>25032386Look to animals for a lot of answers.The most infamous is the sphex wasp. It has a complex, methodical, intelligent-seeming method for constructing nests, laying an exact number of eggs inside, finding an exact number of insects to feed its young, paralyzing them and dragging them back to the nest via their antennae, and so onBut what scientists have found is that the wasp behaviors are incredibly fragile and easy to disrupt. For example, if the grasshopper they sting lacks antennae they don't think to drag by their legs or wings, and instead they simply move on. Another example: When they bring a paralyzed insect to its nest they drop it by the entrance and inspect the nest first. But if that insect is then moved - whether by wind, another insect, whatever - the wasp gets stuck in a loop. If they relocate the insect they'll bring it back, once again drop it off at the entrance and inspect the nest, and they'll do this forever if the insect keeps getting moved. There was one study where the grasshopper in question wasn't fully paralyzed and would drag itself a couple inches away every time it was set down, and the wasp repeated the loop indefinitely until it died.So their intelligence is closer to that of a robot's program, there's no conscious awareness, it's all instinct and compulsion. There's no ability for them to take a step "back" into themselves and think on what they're doing, why, and if they can control it furtherWhat Blindsight ultimately argues is that in a hypothetical situation where a robot's programming is very robust, intelligent, and not easily broken, is the ability to step back and override your instincts actually a liability? What's the point of awareness if our instincts are so honed that we don't need to take the wheel?
>>25027668Why not both?
>>25033234Your story about the looping wasp answered the question.>to take a step "back" into themselves and think on what they're doing, why, and if they can control it further
>>25032481Airships: The Goblin Emperor, The Hands of The Emperor
>>25032542AndThe Sky Lords trilogy by John Brosnan
>>25032625Anon, are you only aware of that quote via word of mouth from other anons? You should read the actual book, or at least the passage it's from.Lull is a veteran captain who is bemused by Duiker's naivety and gently mocks him throughout the book. In that scene Duiker is stumbling along with the civilians who are all dying, thirsty, and terrified. He's forcing himself to witness all this so he can record their experiences, and in his weakened state he's narrating their misery as if he's reading it in a history bookThen Lull catches up, snaps him out of his reverie, and admonishes him for not taking care of himself. Duiker responds with one of the lines from the aforementioned narration - "Children are dying" - and Lull just immediately cuts him down. Yes, children are dying, that's one of the worst, most horrific things you can imagine of war. And? What changes? Do wars stop? Do soldiers stop? Is there really any difference to the reader if they read 50,000 words of the story of war vs. just those 3 words? Not really. So shut up, drink some water, and get ready for your next mission, old man.
>>25033360>war is good2american4me
Just finished The Thousandfold Thought. This series was really great.The setting, world-building and the mystery were very engaging, and every time Kellhus was on the page I just had to keep reading. Such an enigmatic character.There's this insidious undercurrent to everything, this sort of feeling of darkness that is so interesting you have to keep peering into it to find out what it is.Amazing series, it went by a bit quickly at the end though, I wanted to see a bit more of Kellhus after he unveils his magic and the fighting ends at Shimeh, and when Maithanet and him meet.
I've read Dune to God Emperor of Dune.How much of a cliffhanger does Chapterhouse end on? Is it worth reading Heretics and Chapterhouse at all? I was pretty satisfied with God Emperor's ending.
>>25033428>Is it worth reading HereticsYes but don't expect excellence. >and Chapterhouse No.
>>25030483> John GwynneHonestly he gets a lot of hate here, even more than Sanderson and that YA author of Red Rising, while being a much better writer. Gwynne isnt that bad and is a solid 6/10 author by modern standards and isnt pozzed.
>>25032160Bone Doll's Twin did just this allright with shamanic ritual juxtaposing souls of brother and sister
>>25033194>And if it's not obvious that you're trans, are you really trans?Thats a good point. I think its what I was getting at with the example of anime "femboys" which are essentially just drawn girls, that are called boys.It kind of strips everything that makes a "gender bender" or "transition" interesting. I dont really know why gender wouldnt become arbitrary or lopsided then. Why wouldnt most people want to be women? In a world where magical prowess over physical strength is more relevant? The social value of beauty, and presentation may matter more? Its always tough with these sort of things, because I dont know that it can be said that theres a preference for any gender broadly. I think most people are the gender they are, simply because they are, when you have to "choose" (and in the case of trans people it becomes even more complicated because for some its not really a choice, and for others, gender seems like a dress you wear to be a part of a social group or community where you can better be "seen") there are an entanglement of considerations and implicit statements that have to be made.I still think it should theoretically be an interesting thing to explore in a fantasy context, but you'd need to limit magic heavily, or add a greater cost to it. Or establish social norms that make it so that magic can't be abused in certain ways. Or i dont know>I think it'd be night to have gender-bender character that can *technically* achieve perfect transitionI think perfect transition is too much of a power fantasy that can lead to the problem that power fantasies have in general.Theres also another question I dont want to bring up here, because it gets too deep and also validates too strongly chud dispositions, and I dont want to bother with political talk right now.
>>25033360>and dudkar of the mighty said to olgar the knight that blargh blargh blarghi'm amazed that people read this slop. if you're going to read fantasy why not read the best of fantasy instead of mass produced slop?
>>25033569did you reply to the right post?
>>25033600He's here every day, posting bait. Each general has at least one resident schizo.
>>25032160>>25033194I thought about exploring it. I had an idea for a character who can body hop, or move his soul into the bodies of others and take control of them. But it got me wondering- how does the other person in the body react to this? How does he experience resistance? What if the body is a woman's? Will he feel "gender dysphoria" or gradual disdain for the feminine body as time progresses? You're in a woman's body doing stuff, I'm sure you won't notice. But if there's downtime, and he's got time to relax in this foreign body... how will that feel? Would he feel alien in another man's body too? How would it differ with a different sex? Is the other person he's possessing going to try to make him feel alienated to get him to leave their body, or make him try to conform to their nature? What role does age play?I think there's a lot of potential, and it doesn't even have to all be based in gender. As an average height guy, I wonder how I'd honestly "feel" in the body of someone abnormally short or tall? I just don't know what logically makes the most sense in terms of rules for my fictional system of body possession yet.
>>25033632>I think there's a lot of potential, and it doesn't even have to all be based in gender. As an average height guy, I wonder how I'd honestly "feel" in the body of someone abnormally short or tall?The reason im less interest in stuff like that, is because first of all puberty exist, and second of all, those are such "external" dependent "feelings"I've been abnormally short: When I was a childAnd I'm currently taller than average. I remember when I was 15 years old, and I lamented still being "short" I remember there was a girl I dated, she was like 5'7, and I felt embarrassed being shorter than her. I thought being taller would make me feel more confident in myself, and appealing to other people. Things changed, but nothing ACTUALLY changed.I got tall, and nothing about relationships changed, because what mattered about relationships was less about the body, and more about the connection. Its not as if apperances stopped mattering, its almost impossible to abandon them entirely, but the way they "matter" is fundamentally superficial.I gained no real extra functionality being taller. I gained no further confidence being taller. I felt no real difference from grade 9 to grade 11. All the meaningful differences were mental. How I percieved my relationships, what I came to value, and what I wanted to be.The most "raw" feeling being tall, is the awkwardness I get towering over people who look older than me, or just "better" than me. For lack of better word. It doesn't feel like tallness suits me. And that likely comes due to the number of social preconceptions that have been instilled in me about the value of being tall, so I feel awkward and disconnected from people publically whenever I'm aware of my relative tallness.The difference with a transgender identity (in theory), is a bit more complicated. I was going to say something, but Ill just give an example:Somebody can be fit, tall, handsome, etc. And still want to transition. Transitioning isnt for some percieved social benefit, it is purely for the self. It is an internal experience. Its not just about what advantages the opposite would provide, or what the opposite would feel like. And its hard to make the argument that before like....2017? That there would be a social pressure to transition, and even now its hard to make unless youre in an echo chamber and desperate for community, which is much easier to facilitate in the internet age.Thats what makes it interesting to me, compared to any other "transformation" except maybe age.
>>25033642>>25033632>>25033194SLOP SLOPWONDERFUL SLOP
>>25031959One ironic thing about Stormlight Archive is that the Heralds characters have been, in their own words "getting worse". It's never formally explained in the book but it seems being subjects of legends and reverence over thousand of years have led them to essentially become trapped in their own manic tendencies, unable to evolve or get past them and essentially doomed to become worse and worseNIGGATHAT'SYOU
>>25033382No anon it's "yeah war sucks now quit sulking".
>>25033651that's not what that term means
>>25031531Sanderson 2030Sanderson 2040Sanderson 2050Sanderson 2060!Sanderson FOREVER!
just picked up the new dresden files. anyone started it yet? im hoping it picks up, the last 2 books i wasnt super excited with
>>25033825I'm patiently waiting for the trade paperback version next year but I hope you enjoy it anon
>see tau zero on every sci fi chart>surely it must be good>three chapters in >everything is contrived>characters from the imagination of a 12 year oldshould I just stop now?
>>25033843Contrived? What do you mean by that?The characters don't get better but it's very much not a character book. It's about a space accident and dealing with the increasingly outrageous consequences.
>>25033851>with the increasingly outrageous consequences.nta, but that sounds exactly like contrivance
>>25032530>have to feed your house 10000000 calories a day>can't use the toilet cause the house is using it>have to bathe the house daily or it gets stinky>acne on the walls>house gets indigestion and you can't sleep from all the farting and groaning>drop a pair of scissors, cutting the house which then gets infected (because you don't bathe the house enough) and pus starts seeping in the kitchen>entire bathroom is a fungal infection that you never get under control>house gets the flu and dies and starts rotting around you
>>25033851forced. like how the overview of major historical events from the present day to their era is conveniently revealed through casual conversation that no one would actually have and exists solely to get the reader up to speed because the author couldn't think of a more nuanced way of doing it.
>>25033856To be contrived is to be artificial, though, to lack verisimilitude or a internal logic. It's the exact opposite with Tau Zero. The premise is that a spaceship is speeding up and their engines break in such a way that they can't slow down. The consequences escalate in a natural way due to what that means - at first it becomes an inconvenience that they'll overshoot their destination, but once the reality sets in they realize it's a much bigger problem. due to relativity the gap in time that passes for them vs. everyone gets bigger, and bigger, and by the end time has compressed so heavily that hundreds of thousands of years are passing outside the ship, and they're forced to fly between entire galaxies as the universe continues to expand and get colder around them.these existential problems start rubbing against the practical ones of being trapped inside a small spaceship in a desperate situation for a long time. who gets to say how resources are used, or what tasks are done? how do you resolve conflicts? Are people allowed to have kids? or a government? and does any of it matter when everyone they've ever known is dead, the sun has likely exploded, humanity is likely extinct, and they'll never be able to stop? how do you stop people from just killing themselves?>>25033858oh, well that's just to get them on board the spaceship. the first few chapters exist to explain why a spaceship is being launched, and lay some light foundation for some of the interpersonal dramait's inelegant, but again, it's not what the book is going for. i'd give it to about the 25% mark and if it hasn't grabbed you then don't worry about it. the reason it's on a lot of lists, it's a really good book, but you're not forced to like it
>>25032462It's not important. Less is more. It's extremely reddit and narcissistic to think YOUR made up world is important and what other people will want to read. Oh another pseudo middle ages fantasy world with a magic system? How novel!How many Throne/of/ice/bone/and/blood/shadow/wings do we need?
>>25033929>How many Throne/of/ice/bone/and/blood/shadow/wings do we need?Blame Tolkfraud
>>25033929>>25033933>A Throne of Bone and Blood, Book 1 of the Shadow and Ice Saga, A Spicy Wings Chronicle.
>>25034015
There are like five chapters missing in my Oathbringer copy. I looked it up, thinking it had to be a common issue, but no apparently it is just me.
>>25034106Now if only they could find a way to get rid of the rest of the chapters.
idk guys prince of nothing might be the books to rekindle my long lost love of reading books from when i was like 12
>>25033086A second person on the same day not putting a reason? Unusual. I wonder if randoms are trying to join or its simply inattention.
>>25033911>it's not what the book is going forwhat are some books that are going for that? more generally, what sci-fi novels check all the boxes, not just some of them? does not need to be 'hard' sci fi.
Selfpub blogpost:Friend of mine spotted some typos in my book. I already had a handful of physical copies that I was planning on giving to friends and bookstores or whatever (Amazon lets you as the author buy copies for only $5). Obviously now I can’t give away these books to bookstores or friends, even though it was only a handful of small errors. I ended up driving around today and putting my books into those little outdoor libraries people set up. The only issue was that I was doing this at night, just driving into random neighborhoods and stopping in front of people’s houses. A grown man trudging through your lawn at 8 PM while KMFDM radiates from his car is, I guess, not a great look, because a cop followed me into the sixth neighborhood I went into. She asked me what the hell I was doing but thought it was pretty funny that I was just stocking the library cubbies nobody uses. Fortunately she didn’t notice that I had pajamas on with no underwear (got soaked skiing), and the pajamas I had on were missing a button so my junk could sort of be visible in the daytime if anyone bothered to look. But darkness was my ally.
>>25034311If you want a space oopsie story with a ton of characterization you want AuroraIt will ruin all other generation ship stories for you, though
Has anyone else read "We Never Mention Aunt Nora" by Frederik Pohl? I'm probably just retarded, but I haven't been able to figure out exactly what's occurring at the ending of the story. Any ideas?
>>25034395bump for interest
>>25032006Is Mistborn really as good as it gets? Recently read book 1 and was amazed how bad it wasBook 2 I just dropped after I had enough of the horrendous banter between Vin and Elend
>>25027280I wonder if modern audiences agree. I can easily imagine vivid writing being insufficiently digestible for wageslaves sardined into train cars, trying to process a sentence at a time between impacts with the surrounding human mass. I have no idea whether the western audience has greater tolerance for compound sentences.
>>25033825Just got done reading it and thought it was a lot better than the last 2 books, the format of a longer period of time works really well for a dresden story.
>>25034584Book 1 is generally liked for feeling like a complete story. I haven't seen anyone pretend that book 2 isn't a slog. Book 3 I recall was pretty decent with a good sense of the stakes. The latter books in the series are way shorter so it's a lot easier to keep a decent rythm.Stormlight was alright for the first 3 books, the last 2 have been shit
>>25033808im working on my own story and ive thought about follow-ups here and there, but i max out probably 2–4 books into the future, at most, only because i like foreshadowing and want it to all be planned ahead of timehow the FUCK does he think planning like this is a good thing? marvel has been shitting the bed lately with announcing things and then cancelling them, but this is past even what they do, several times over
>>25032462Worldbuilding is for the writer, not for the audience. By that I mean that creating a fleshed out world allows for stories to generate naturally, and allows you to add depth and detail to your locations and descriptions, as well as stopping you from contradicting yourself.For example, make up a list of sports played in your setting. Well, now when your characters go to a village, you can mention a game the local kids are playing in passing. Let's make up an example sport called speedball. Speedball is popular with poor kids due to how cheap it, all it requires is two sticks for markers, and a ball, or something vaguely ball-like that can be thrown. >"When Bob came into town he saw a familiar sight. Taking a seat on a park bench looked at the ragged kids playing speedball"Maybe you even write down the rules. You don't need to tell the reader. Rather than write it out, I'll imagine rules and let you fill the blanks.>"Bob watched the dirty kids run back and forth between the field markers, playing speedball just like he used to. The scorekeeper, a chubby kid in rags, reminded him of being stuck with the role because he was picked last. One of the kids, bigger and older than the others, was up. He plowed over a kid half his size during his run, resulting in all the players on the other team taking to complaining. After ten minutes of arguing, the game naturally dissolved itself, the pinecone used in place of a ball dispassionately dropped, and the two sticks used as field markers left half buried."For the short story I am working on, it will be framed as a file full of different information related to the investigation of an area, the idea is to be able to deliver context in a way that is nonlinear, with a variety of styles, and allow the reader to pick and choose what to engage with. Some details are obviously not needed, since some documents might relate to several different investigations. Another might be an account that intersects with the investigation and gives character context, but tells a completely different story.
>>25034804I don't think people realize that many writers in the Western canon were doing a bunch of worldbuilding, even for non-sff. They wrote fictional places and governments and genealogies, drew maps and floor plans, calculated distances and time, etc. so that it was all logically consistent, which didn't start in the 20th century. Why is doing that but at a planet scale bad?
>>25034838>Why is doing that but at a planet scale bad?I don't think it is, but writing a ton of exposition is sloppy. It used to be relatively common for novels or other books which included some worldbuilding curiosity to include something about them in the addendum. The Barsoom books have a dictionary at the end of one of the novels, and the rules for Martian chess in another. When presented this way, they don't bog down the narrative but allow people invested and curious in the world to engage with it in a deeper way.>I don't think people realize that many writers in the Western canon were doing a bunch of worldbuilding, even for non-sff. They wrote fictional places and governments and genealogies, drew maps and floor plans, calculated distances and time, etc.One of my favorite books is the Historia Regum Britanniae, which uses a largely fictionalized genealogical record as a frame in order to a story, and within that story is a series of other stories. I highly recommend it.
>>25034842*in order to tell a storyHate this
>It's another Dresden book where just as Harry's lost his last love interest a new and even hotter women appeared to be obsessed with himBRAVO JIM
>>25034838The principle behind all worldbuilding is that it must be good enough to provide verisimilitude, but once you hit that point you must stop. You're aiming for minimally viable, because everything after that point falls off dramatically, and eventually starts to harm your story; it's a bit how like 3000mg of of acetaminophen makes you feel better, 6000mg makes you feel much worse, and 12,000mg kills youThis stopping point is easy when it's something like creating a timeline, a genealogy, or a physical space. All that goes out the window when you're defining something as intangible as an entire world, so the odds of you accidentally going too far are much, much higher.To frame this in a completely different way, think of all the times people have talked about a dream they've had. Just about everyone has had a moment during these talks where they've thought, "oh my god, shut up, I can't follow this, I don't care!", so what causes that?Inevitably it comes down to the teller including details that seem very important to them and the dream, but are utterly meaningless to the people who are listening
This might be better then Ender's Game.
Any thoughts on the Silo Trilogy? Heard good things about them.
>>25035088Ender's Game is the book you appreciate as a child. Speaker for the Dead is the book you appreciate as an adult.
>>25027217I am trying in vain to find at least a few fantasy books I enjoy. The only one I've really liked has been Howard Pyle's The Story of Arthur and His Knights but the rest of the series doesn't interest me. I've tried the Elric omnibus and found it very inconsistent. I'm not a fan of Tolkein either. Any recs?
>>25035130I couldn't get past the first two chapters because this faggot kept thinking about how everything reminds him of his dead wife
>>25035298Try Lyonesse.
>>25027655They're above average but that's not saying much. I just finished the sixth one and even though I enjoyed reading, it was badly in need of an good editor. There was a ton of clunky phrase repetition on a sentence to sentence level and it was too long for no reason. I would have said he should have split it into three books and added some scenes for characterization of side characters but then I remembered that he is bad at characterization.I also wonder what it would be like to read a novel authored by him where he didn't steal literally every concept in it from better writers.
alien girls owe human men sex
>>25027238I don't "see" as a whole scene, but I experience details of the senses, including details related to sight.Like thinking about your pic, I can get a foggy flash of the image of a red apple, but my mind is more occupied by the experience of color, sheen, maybe the sound of crunching into an apple, cool breeze and warm sunlight associated with memories of apple trees.The mind doesn't work explicitly like a video player. Text in a book can provide cues for memories of senses and events, which together can paint the significant details of a scene in your head, while your mind doesn't really concern itself with what's missing.This is how memory actually works. Selectively and efficiently, to promote survival over photographic memory of useless details. It's not an experience someone can easily describe in a diagram though.
>>25034838I think the issue is that people are starting to sell the setting first and the story second. What naturally happens is people see a story in a strange world and yearn to know more about it. The investment in the story sells them to the world. What "worldbuilders" do is they try to tell you how awesome and weird the setting they've created is to the point that the story only exists to tell you about the world, and not the other way around.
>>25032481The one and only good steampunk book is THE DIFFERENCE ENGINE and its just Neuromancer retold from Wintermute's perspective.
>>25033843That's American SF for you.
>>25033857I like you.
>>25032682They're good enough for long enough that you won't notice when the quality goes down, as you're already reading them for the sake of continuing to read them.
>>25035298What else have you tried beyond those?You're definitely focused on very old, foundational titles and those have a specific flavor that aren't very everyone. Is that on purpose?Knowing nothing else about you, right now I'd suggest the Memory, Sorry, Thorn series as a modern(ish) epic adventure title, Earthsea for something really magical and fantastical - if a bit on the younger side, and Lyonesse for another fantastical - but more gritty (it inspired GRRM and ASOIAF) take - on Arthurian legends and themes, and English fae in general. I'd also give a tentative rec to Lord Dunsany, who I think is excellent but his style is so archaic (on purpose) that it's hard to recommend unqualified to someone trying to get into fantasy.That said, sometimes it's better to read the titles that were inspired by - and iterated on - the older titles, and then go back to see their origins if they interest you.
>>25033857i need more people to read Greg Bear's Blood Music
>>25035429I read it and it left me indifferent. I prefer Sturgeon's More Than Human.
>>25035427>What else have you tried beyond those?I was big into Rick Riordans books as a kid but they're a little below me now. Ditto for The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. I tried Soldier of the Mist by Gene Wolfe as well but no dice either. I was super into the Sandman comics too but Gaimans written works don't interest me.>You're definitely focused on very old, foundational titles and those have a specific flavor that aren't very everyone. Is that on purpose?Kind of. I hear all the time about romantasy being really the only popular thing nowadays and want to avoid that at all costs; I see people bemoan the state of fantasy as a whole constantly so I figure it's slim pickings for actual quality. I generally go for classics and/or foundational titles of given genres/authors.If it helps any, I really like Connie Willis' Oxford Time Travel series for scifi. Outside of genre I like Nabokov and Shakespeare. I like Clive Barker but he blurs the line between fantasy and horror and I definitely want to find a few books definitely in the fantasy genre that fit my niche tastes.
>>25035489Ever try Donaldson?
>>25035496I paged through Lord Foul's Bane once and it reminded me of the pulpy type of writing like Elric, which left a really bad taste in my mouth. Is it more in that style or should I give it another go?
>>25035510I have not read any Elric, but pulp is not how I would describe Donaldson. His writing is deeply concerned with the human condition and the psychology of his protagonist, Covenant is a far cry from a pulp hero. Maybe he'd be at home as one of those Lovecraft protagonists who go insane from the horrors he encounters.
>>25035510it's less pulpy and more classic i'd say (the good guys are White and Pure and the bad guy has the name Lord Foul) but it's self aware and does subvert the very classical tropes it invokes, the protagonist for instance is not your John Everyman protagonist who falls in love with a fair maiden and smites the evil wizard with the magic sword.
>>25035510If you like miseryporn.
Been reading Academic Exercises by K.J. Parker, and I can say I finally found a good collection of short stories.That said, I think I may be too stupid to understand "A Rich, Full Week".What happened in the end? It seems the undead was defeated, but then the brother talks about having created an improved version of that spell, without remembering that it's what the undead did. Still, it doesn't seem like the latter replaced his mind, or maybe it's just influencing him through the mole? The fact that the book is written in first person makes me think that there was no swapping - a third person point of view would've made it more open to interpretations. Either way, the way he handles magic as a science is quite cool, looking forward to more short stories with the same theme.Any other good collection of short fantasy stories that anyone wants to recommend?
>>25035589>Either way, the way he handles magic as a science is quite coolnot short stories but Terry Goodkind's Wizard's First Rule series has a very scientific/mathematical magic system that's pretty cool if you can get past all the Ayn Rand fanfiction masturbatory philosophy
Did my request for the Goodreads group go through? It was giving me a ton of errors and i had to do it on my desk top. Initials EG
Man this book, this book right here? It's gonna make nuts quake buddy
>>25035489It's true romantasy dominates, but it's a bit misleadingFor one, it's only very recently (2020ish) that that became true. Second, the book market is unique in that there are a *ton* of books and very few of them sell enough to stand out. When people say it's the only popular thing, what they really mean is that it's what sells the best at Barnes and Noble. There are a billion other books to read that are good, popular, whatever else, they just don't sell as well physically.Anyway, after reading your follow up I'd definitely suggest Lyonesse by Jack Vance, and then really anything else by him, particularly Dying Earth.>>25035510Hm, I'd guess it felt pulpy due to either the framing device - it's hard to do serious portal fantasies, can't distance it from the likes of John Carter or isekai slop - or the names, which are undeniably goofy.But it's absolutely not pulp and nothing like Elric. It's perhaps the anti-Elric in more ways than one.The Covenant stories take place in a beautiful, truly magical fantasy world, and the surface story is a basic good vs. evil, but really the plot focuses on Thomas himself. Thomas is a broken, ailing, complicated man, and he's not immediately cured or even convinced by this magical world he finds himself in.It explores the insidiousness of evil in the human condition, free will, healing from trauma, the cost of doing the right thing, the cost of making mistakes, forgiveness, and other, very heady topics. It's wonderful. Not for everyone, but if you're in the right headspace there's quite nothing like it.
Which series should I start next: Malazan or Wheel of Time? Both sound really good.
>>25032682I really like the ones I've read so far (up to book 6 I think). I've been collecting physical copies from secondhand book stores and anything from about book 10 is starting to look like unobtainium in my country. Both Aubrey and Marutin are fantastically written as characters and their banter carries the series through some of the more boring plots. Having said that I can't see myself buying ~10 missing books from the collection brand-new, especially if >>25035416 is right and the quality drops.
>>25033808ngl I'm hype for the Mistborn scifi Space Opera. I didn't like Mistborn Arc 1 but really enjoyed Arc 2
Fuck, this shit is so surprisingly interesting. I havent read books in so long, but im so captured by this somehow. I couldn't be bothered with so many classics. But the way this book is written, to so cleverly lay out new little mysteries, new little facts, to be brought up later just to reel you back into the world organically, and make connections to things revealed further back, all building on eachother to paint a broader picture not yet complete, stripping your tongue dry of taste, yearning for more, to be refreshed and perpetuate the loop of reveal building upon reveal.Either I have poor taste due to not being an adamant reader, and thats why I cant find value in classics like Dostoy, but can, in Prince of Nothing. Or I just appreciate something that doesnt hold back its interest, to be reaped at a climax or conclusion.
>>25035758Malazan
>>25034584I dropped book 2 as well. Read like literal MCU slop
>>25034316Kek good shit
>>25035758Malazan is pretty fun. I've read six of them so far.
>>25035797Meds asap
>>25035797Based, this series was so excellent.
>>25034784>how the FUCK does he think planning like this is a good thing?He's a mormon and genuinely believes he's going to make the Cosmere real when he dies and ascends to Godhood just like Sazed does, and the Lord Ruler before him. The Cosmere is so deeply steeped in Mormon theology that anyone who's read a few pages of Doctrine and Covenants (where the real meat is, not the Book of Mormon which is just Joseph Smith writing shitty stream-of-consciousness Historical War Fantasy) will pick up on it.To a mormon, worldbuilding isn't just an exercise of SFF autism, it is a theological practice to get closer to God, who was once man, and built our world.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTQLxR2ggUg
>>25028374Have you read any other Moers book? What’d you think about em?
>>25035758I vote Wheel of Time. They’re both long as fuck series but WoT imo starts off very good. There is a slog to be sure but don’t be afraid to skim.
Is Brent Weeks Lightbringer Series and Peter Bretts Demon Cycle series good or fun?
>>25035831what did i do wrong?
>>25035844Damn, that actually is pretty fucking bizarre.
>>25035797Have you just been on that saya no uta thread on /v/ by any chance
Also if Maithanet could see Achaiman because the Few could see the Few, why didnt Achaiman notice him before Maithanet did?
>>25035867I dont know what youre talking about. I dont deal with anime loli garbage anymore, and have never really dealth with VNs anyway beyond Fate route of Fate Stay Night.I ignored that Saya no whatever thread because I knew itd be another shallow /v/ circlejerk about how normies dont understand le deep loli cosmic horror or whatever. I mean normies are retarded, that doesnt mean im going to get any satisfaction jerking myself to how uninteresting, uninteresting people are. Id rather go find and do something interesting.
>>25035872Fair enough. I have just done a bit of shilling to anons there so thought you were on that thread
Alright I started this after finishing DHG but did Erikson just decide "fuck mysteries" at this point? It's throwing important info at me left and right while answering all kinds of questions just in the first few chapters. I like getting info instead of constant cock teasing but this feels too easy I guess?
>>25035884No problem, I was convinced to read it here. Made my own thread looking for philosophical fiction, and was suggested it. Book opens up with a Nietzsche quote, and as much as I have a complicated relationship with Nietzsche, now mostly negative, Nietzsche is still more philosophy than much of what counts as philosophy today XD
>>25035869How far are you? You will find out a bit more why it may have been that way in The Thousandfold Thought
>>25035913There are layers of mystery even after you finish the main ten. Hell there are still a good number of questions left even after reading all of his currently finished books.
>>25035925I'm literally still in the beginning of the Darkness that Comes Before. Im just thinking outloud with that question, wondering what others who have read think of it.I love the little mysteries the book subtly plants so far. Very clever, very easily keeps the intrigue churning, and fuels motivation to keep reading even independent of the characters, of which Kellhus (despite not having access to his perspective for some pages) is the most personally interesting so far, ironically because the emptiness of his personality, is like spectacles of which to understand other personalities deeper.
>>25035844It sucks because I like a lot of what Sanderson has to say about religion. One of the most kino moments in all fantasy for me was the end of the first Mistborn trilogy where Sazed is tasked with restoring the world that hasn't existed for centuries, an impossible task, except that his vast knowledge of religions and folklore lets him piece it together (picrel)The entire series (and a lot of Cosmere in general) poses the question: what's the point of religion and gods? And to date that's been the most interesting answer to me, as it's very beautiful to believe that religion exists so that humans can preserve things that are important and true forever.But then you read Mormon scripture and yeah, the Cosmere is just Mormonism. It doesn't completely take away some of the things he works with, but it substantially damages it imho
>>25035913When you start reading Malazan you're probably sorting it into three distinct eras of descending relevancy:- Present Day, Laseen's Era- Recent history, Kellanved's Era- Ancient history, First Empire EraMemories is when Erikson starts to layering on the density, complexity, and connectedness of these eras. It's when the Malazan 'cycle' of Mystery -> Answer -> New Information -> Better, more contextualized answer -> New information -> Actual answer -> Repeat really gets going
>>25036030interesting...nta btw
some of these passages are so hard to process, can anybody explain what was going on at the end here? honestly i didnt really follow the entire chapter, i dont even know what the fuck happened to his magic, or how the fuck he was being battered around, but ill just focus on the end here
>>25034395Just read it. She bangs her dad, who seems to just want to have as many children as possible. I'm assuming what's implied by the final line is that the baby she has is deformed as a result of the incest. There might be something more to it. The line about "Jimmy" looking almost translucent, I take to be hinting about his being a ghost from their past and/or being less than real due to the many deceptions. Maybe I'm missing something though.
>>25036318I thought it was implying that the baby was an alien or android or something, but I don't recall anything in the story that foreshadowed this, which is why it came out of left field.
>>25036126What the fuck am I reading
>>25036475Thats what im saying, these entire part of the book is hard to read, but figuring out whats even happening on this 1 page is hard enough
>>25036126So this is the power of cultivation...
>>25035848Captain Bluebear was the first one I read, it was a less-focused but more far-ranging adventure. Some of the set-pieces in it were insanely imaginative (like the people living inside the tornado), easily worth reading for the sheer strangeness of it alone.
>>25036741kek is this how chinese novels sound?
>>25036769"Silence, young master!" The Rector of the Fourfold Root of the Chrysanthemum School cried out, blood spurting from his mouth.
I like reading the fantasy book thats set in the fantasy world with the wizards and the knights and the cool castles and with the cool monsters and skeletons :)
>>25035620Joining doesn't work well on mobile and you have to have your account age set to 18+. You were rejected twice for failing to follow instructions. Since you've posted here though I'll waive then. Third time's the charm apparently.
>>25027217I have a lot of downtime at work and need some new audiobooks to listen to. I just finished The Black Company and Dungeon Crawler Carl in the last few weeks, I've listened to or read basically every Sword and Sorcery story ever made, and have gone through the entire catalogue of every major pulp writer from the US and England besides those which I couldn't bring myself to finish(Moorcock).Any suggestions for what I should listen to next? I am open to anything that isn't literal kiddie crap like Harry Potter, Enders Game, or Red Rising.
>>25036126Basically, he is facing the railing of the balcony and being held in the hair by Sarcellus, and then he lurches forward so that his hair is ripped out because Sarcellus is still holding onto it. He hits the railing of the balcony, which breaks, and then he falls to his death.>Again he was floatingHe is in the air>but it was so different - air whipping across his faceHe is falling through the air and feeling the air>With a single outstretched hand, Paro Inrau followed a pillar to the earthHe is falling through the air alongside the pillar that supports the balcony, holding out his hand probably instinctively to brace for the impact
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