>>25151804
first for liadain :3

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Any must reads on KU? Just got the free trial.

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It's been a few threads since last quest. And now, the last quest, for now at least.

/wng/ Thread Quest #9: When is the optimal time for a hiatus?

Few of us are truly machines that can go on indefinitely. Life happens, writing the same stories can grow tiresome, and sometimes you just really want a break. What works for you, personally?

>>25151872
I take breaks to play vidya between chapters. Right now it's nu-marathon.

>>25151872
After a big cliffhanger

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scifi cultivation setting that skips the faux chinese world and goes straight to the end game of 10 billion year old experts living on a frozen sun?

>The dao of the sword and the dao of the saber are completely incompatible with one another!!
this distinction is one of the weirdest things in xianxia

>found a WN
>300+ chapters
>bad grammar, punctuation
>authorclearly doesn't give af and just wants to write down the fantasy he was dreaming off
>last update was 5 months ago
>last chapter is the author's MC contemplating death
Yup. He dead.

>found a pretty interesting WN
>ends abruptly with the author saying he had irl issues
>2 years later
>no updates
>dude's fucking dead, RIP
>check his profile
>last online yesterday
Get back to writing you hack!

>>25152081
me btw

>>25152053
afaik the Chinese saber is wielded like an axe or falchion while the sword is more like a broad-blade rapier

>>25152106
The jian and dao are both swords. One is heavier and choppier, but they're not fundamentally different outside of ancient chinese noble sword fetish thing.

>>25152111
he had eyes but couldn't see mount Tai

>Complete the dungeon
>Get the prize
>The people who wanted it are waiting outside for you
>Meditate on the dao
>3000 years pass while you're meditating and they're still waiting.
What do these numbers achieve

>>25152123

One of these days I want to see the old fuck that built the secret realm include protections for this exact situation. "Nice ambush shitass I'm taking your cultivation and giving it to my inheritor, fuck you, die"

>>25151804
How much prep work do anons here do before writing the first chapter?
Do you have like +10 pages of bullet points?

>>25152222
When I want to

>>25152053
They are two different daos, of course they are incompatible

I like webnovels

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Bros, do you think he transmigrated or got isekai'd instead?

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To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Unsheathed. The plot is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of Chinese philosophy most of the dialogue will go over a typical reader's head. There's also Chen Ping'an's Confucian outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Cultural Revolution literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these plot points, to realize that they're not just aura farming - they say something deep about LIFE.

>>25152522
Tldr it's shit.

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Should a xuanhuan use Pinyin or Wade-Giles?

>>25152803
Pinyin, why would you even consider wade-giles?

>>25152809
because I'm ameriburger and realised I was pronouncing everything wrong embarrassingly recently

>>25152819
Nobody cares how the chinese pronounce something, if you start writing down Peking 99% of your readers are going to think you mean some fictional place.

Why is it so hard to find LitRPG/Progfan where the characters are not just cardboard cutouts? Or riddled with plotholes and mary sue mc?

Same for cultivation. Chinkshit is retarded and bland. Book 10000000000 of hurr flying sword man set in china. Like come the fuck on don't the chinks get bored of that shit?

The Last Orellen author come back please ...

I can't find anything to read.

>>25152824
ty

>>25152831
Why ever gave you the idea that writing is easy or that good authors are common?

Anyone know why balthazar blake author deleted his fiction? He finished a book(a good one!) said he needed a break due to school and poof.

>>25152831
>Book 10000000000 of hurr flying sword man set in china
Quantity not quality. Except when it isn't, in which case send the counter examples to my inbox

>>25152834
Surely they can read their own story and see the glaring plotholes.

>>25152844
Could be they werent aiming for a bulletproof plot to begin with, for example a story where the mc just tramples everyone and everything casually. In a more general sense what one might consider plausible human behaviour isn't really true for any other person on gods green earth. Lack of research is just lack of vigor though.

>>25152841
but why is it always flying sword man in china? Like can't they come up with anything else?

>>25152851
Try having an original thought, I dare you.

>>25152851
>reads derivative slop
>wtf why is it derivative
typical /wng/er. can't you just not be retarded?

>>25152854
No i don't read that shit.

I just get recommended it all the time and every time it's the same shit that i drop after 20 chapters.

>Check this Cultivation story out it's not like the others it's sooooo goood
>flying sword man in china nr. 10^70

>>25152851
Why is it always harem teen drama goon slop on rr? Like can't they come up with anything else?

>>25152865
>I don't read things I don't like
>I just read it until I stop
gonna suggest you stop doing that and simply not read them in the first place

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What are the best modern setting webnovels? Doesn't really matter what its about, as long as it is a modern setting that is interesting.

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>>25152851
Big pinch of salt with all this.
As I understand it, Xianxia is one of the few exceptions to China's media ban on occultism and superstition. Scope of Xianxia is actually quite narrow as well. If you deviate too much from that, it will be classified it as something else. Perhaps those two aspects feed into one another and turns all litRPG into sword riding chinaman.

Why do cyberpunk stories all take place in a hyper-capitalist dystopian future???

>>25152898
worm is the only thing I can think of. contemporary settings aren't all that common
katalepsis if you're a neurotic, narcissistic lesbian

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>>25152948
because it's cool as fuck. I'm liking nu-Marathon's take on it that it's at least on a half-century dead colonized exoplanet at least. I hope there's a surge in planetary romance married with cyberpunk dystopia and a dash of elrich horror, but from what I often scope out recently thru RR search, extraction or even roguelike zero-to-hero aren't that popular even if they are litrpg. a shame. they're a pain in the nuts to actually play, but it's a theme and concept I really want to write about. I wonder if it's just the kind of loop that's not actually easy to explain away when it comes to actually writing. There's this seal team 6 exfil-like litrpg that's out but it's not very well received at all.

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>"It's been a while, i should write for a couple of hours"
>Get to the folder with all my ideas
>Get this strange subtle anxiety all over my body
>Immediately look for something else to do
>It isn't nearly as satisfying as writing my outline but i keep avoid doing it anyway

>>25152948
because Neuromancer.

When a single book pretty much defines a genre, everything that follows imitates it.

>>25152081
You found my novel?!

>>25152948
To ground the story in a more realistic setting to offset all the sci-fi bullshit.

Protagonist harem / all bitches want his dick
OR
Characters have other romantic interest or relationships than just the protag, with varying degrees of functionality?

>>25153187
You should make the protagonist have a love interest who decides to get with his bully instead of him. People will love it.

>>25153187
Neither. Xianxia with protagonist focused on progression and cultivation

>>25152231
the jian dao is a lesser dao of the sword dao, the sword dao is a lesser dao of the weapon dao, the weapon dao is a lesser dao of the warfare dao, the warfare dao is a lesser dao of the yang dao, the yang dao is a lesser dao of the one true dao

>>25153080
>I will not edit my novel until the first draft is done.
>want to edit chapter one
>nope. You still have half a first draft to finish.
>really, really want to edit the first few chapters
>still have to write the third act
>oh my god, I just want to fix these chapters!
>finish first draft of final chapter
>go back and edit like a motherfucker
>actually, let me do a third draft of chapter one
>nope, not until you finish the second draft of all the other chapters
This one little trick is such a great motivator.

>>25153212
kino if true, I can't finish a single sentence without editing

>>25152948
Write what you know.
>>25152222
One chapter = one page outline. Although this usually results in a chapter that's too long for webnovels.

>>25153189
That's too korean for me.
>>25153201
That's too chinkchonk for me.

>>25153328
It would only be korean if he was out for revenge.

>it's another "ji ning gets kidnapped by the most powerful force in the known universe and forced to fight to the death for hundreds of years" chapter

>>25152222
I have a simple numbered list and nothing more. Each numbered line just has a sentence fragment, maybe a few more words. Its the overall goal of the chapter. 10 - Bob gets captured, 11 - Steve rescues Bob. Etc etc. That keeps me from meandering or sprawling, it keeps pace focused. But I just *do* the chapter as it comes to me. This gives me room to breathe and be as creative as I can without strangling me, while controlling things.

>>25152222
I preferably have the entire first volume outlined. The following ones it doesn't matter as much, but you really need to nail the initial book.

>>25153440
But not more detailed, like how Steve rescues Bob?
>>25153507
how detailed is your outline

>>25153426
PANGU SPLITS THE EARTH AND SKY

>>25153725
>But not more detailed, like how Steve rescues Bob?
I should already know how, or have a good idea. or the story should *tell* me how. or the character would or wouldn't do that. plus, there's room for creativity if need be.

>>25152870
nta but my guess is the Shoe Event Horizon from Douglas Adams.
Someone writes LitRPG slop. People read it. Some of those people (retards and hacks) are inspired to write their own LitRPG slop. Because they know there's an audience.
Round an' round we go, it's all LitRPG slop and someone with a fun space opera can't get his shit off the ground, because everyone who would read non-slop has given up on RR long ago.

>>25153725
>how detailed is your outline
A few sentences per chapter going over what it'll entail, more if necessary. Really, you just get down the utmost vital parts of each scene and then leave it be.
Of course, I have a separate doc/section for characters and any details about them I need to have on hand.

Are any of the vampire system stories any good?

>>25152053
>>25152231
Isn't the word for saber also Dao? just with different pitch accent.

>>25153908
yes

This video was quite helpful for outline. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGFh_VckLFE

Points from it are:
>The protagonist should have a clear objective from very early, otherwise the reader can't connect to the character
>Estabalish stakes, what the protagonist has to lose and gain
>Estabalish obstacles to prevent the protagonist from accomplishing their objective
>Every story can be described as:
>[CHARACTER] wants [OBJECTIVE] because [STAKES], but [OBSTACLE] is getting in their way

It isn't really how I thought of plotting; I feel like style relies on the protagonist being proactive.

>>25151804
Isn't this the novel with literally hitler as one of the harem heroines?

>>25153914
Is that universally the case though?
There's famous stories where the protagonist doesnt have a clear objective for the early part of the story.

>>25153921
Yeah, I was wondering that as well. Honestly, I can't even recall many stories where protagonist's objective is clear from the beginning.
Like every character in ASOIAF seems not to have any goals in the beginning, but kinda tries to find their purpose over time.
I also think the theory audience cannot care about a character unless the character has a clear goal is bullshit. If anything it should be the opposite, reader should care about the character in order to care about his journey

>>25153926
it might be useful for people who are new to writing or for specific genres.

Okay, I watched another writing video with very interesting claim:
>Stories are about character change
It's probably Wring 101, but it actually blows my mind.

>>25153914
>Estabalish obstacles to prevent the protagonist from accomplishing their objective
Then make sure those obstacles are instantly obliterated, because wn readers can't handle that

>>25153966
Dunno, for example Shieldhero has internal conflict fearing his slaves will abandon him like everyone else

>>25153976
>again the retard comes yammering about japshit
Shield hero hasn't been relevant anywhere in 20 years

>>25152053
If you could grasp this distinction as a mere mortal the Heavenly Dao would strike you down with lightning.

>>25153985
Seethe all you want but you wouldn't even know webnovels existed without the Japanese lil guppe

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The more Desolate Era I read the more I think of Cradle. I think DE was the work that influenced it the most, Cradle is written almost as a response to DE. A deconstruction? Reconstruction?
>>25153943
Nothing about narrative is Writing 101. Brando Sando's buddy who went to school with him learned narrative theory (It's really just Syd Field) from the last chapter of the Star Trek RPG. Brando himself now just regurgitates people like Field and Blake Snyder but doesn't seem to be interested in applying them. Honestly western narrative theory is fucked.
>Stories are about character change
This is actually incredibly low tier imo. You think this at first but it's actually just a straightjacket that the likes of Snyder couldn't get out of and Hollyweird has suffered as a result for decades. IMO.

>>25154057
So, that pic related is shitting on Sanderson because passive prose.
>Paul Atreides was swearing.
Would be written by most authors as:
>Thick sweat drops swept the bulky biceps of Paul Atreides

>>25154065
*Thick sweat drops swept through the bulky biceps of Paul Atreides

>>25154057
I should take a snip of every /wng/-related author's first chapter I can think of and post them.

>>25154070
do it

>>25151804
>web novel
>look inside
>huge anime tits
Do you really need all this baggage just to needlessly subtly veil your fetish? Just jack off to huge anime tits.

>>25154080
>crow and rabbit
>fff-class
>undying emperor
>retribution engine/cherno caster
what else? i don't lurk enough to have a running tally of all wng/related novels

>>25154092
no i want to write about barbarian bitches with huge tits killing stand-ins for the opposites of my personal beliefs

>>25154095
oh also skulltaker i forgot to add that one to the list

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>>25154095
There is, of course, my slop that I occasionally shill here.

Eventually, xianxia will become mainstream in the west through a mega-hit. This will put it in direct conflict with LOTR-style/DND-style fantasy. After that, will one or the other reign supreme? Or will these two forms of fantasy synthesize into one? What elements will be maintained? What elements will be lost?

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>>25154070
>>25154080
>>25154095

crow and rabbit ch1 extract

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>>25154116
fff-class ch1 extract

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>>25154117
retribution engine ch1 extract

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>>25154120
skulltaker ch1 extract

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>>25154122
undying emperor ch1 extract

>>25154070
>>25154080
But why...?

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>>25154138
To analyze them, I extracted those six samples and asked ChatGPT to find common problems with them.
Not that the analysis has any merit to it, but I still found it interesting.

>>25154146
ChatGPT sucks ass
do the same but with Claude

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>>25154156
Interesting that Chat GPT's and Claude opinion are opposites.
Chat GPT considered #1 to be most professional and #5.
While Claude considers #1 to be flawed in every way, and #5 to be flawless.

>>25154146
These are all things anons have said when the works were first posted, dunno why you had to ask chatGPT to repeat the obvious. Do you just want to publicly humiliate anons and further discourage posting stories in these threads?

>>25154115
ah. this explains the pervasive "tolkein sucks" meme pushed and astroturfed so hard on here. makes sense now. the industry wants a chink replacement for it.

>>25154187
use that word in chinatown my friend you are be hurt

>>25154194
chinks aren't niggers

>>25154146
You clearly think there's some merit to this analysis because otherwise you wouldn't post this doggerel.

>>25154095
Bro, just look at the OP.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSNZali-jIk2MASsAWVf8N7A8BlSyzPbAFV_BhsA5Ip3SWfMPWKxaXf8Pdb7f0TgFyWis31BzirtPeR/pubhtml

>>25154057
>>Stories are about character change
>This is actually incredibly low tier imo. You think this at first but it's actually just a straightjacket that the likes of Snyder couldn't get out of and Hollyweird has suffered as a result for decades. IMO.
does not have to be. its about the juxtaposition of the character against the plot. Look. Take a simple static plot. EG, 1970 Star Wars. Powerful Empire, Dark Lord steals pretty pure princess. Here, character (Luke) *change* is necessary, for the weak young hero to save the cat (princess, lol). With a static plot, character change is needed to give motion. Now look at a more dynamic and ever changing plot. Suddenly a static and unchchanging unyielding hero makes more sense. the Last Boy Scout movie with Bruce Willis, perhaps.
>
A changing growing plot, with changing growing character??? You get something like Inception. Perhaps a bit much. So this is why "basic plot, character complexity and growth" works so well. Also, why a rich plot with the rock of an MC that is stubborn and will not yield, again works.

>>25153943
Not always, but it's a good way to think about your story. I always ask myself how my characters are changing.

But then you have shit like Harry Potter and Sherlock Holmes and they never change, no matter how many mysteries they solve.

What would Spectral Soul do?

>>25154203
These two cases are entirely different and you're retarded for suggesting those two examples. Sherlock Holmes doesn't change because the nature of his stories is that they're entirely episodic and can be read in essentially any order. Sometimes there's a small character arc within the story itself, but that's all.

Harry Potter, on the other hand, does change. Is it competently written? No, not really. He changes all the same.

>>25153914
all these experts, videos, books.
They teach one thing and one thing only. How to write 101 the *hollywood* way. This lets hollywood adapt intellectual properties like books and they are easily adaptable. Things that work on film and are needed are not writing requirements for books. all these "experts" are all saying the same things. You could just as easily read "Fantasy Fiction Formula". much of the writing advice is what works for screenwriting, and most of it applies to writing novels. For instance... "you *must* put your MC in danger and peril in the first paragraph. Better yet, in the very first sentence". That's because you need that for the film industry. Film needs a "punchy" opening to fight boredom. Modern readers are needing the same thing now.

>>25154194
>use that word in chinatown my friend you are be hurt
thank you for the advice, my yellow little friend. lol.

The reason all writing advice is "what works on the hollywood screen-writing" is because of success bias. A book *appears* to be better, or more successful, when it gets adapted to a blockbuster movie and is wildly successful there, too. to be "perfect" a movie has to follow the book as much as possible, or it pisses readers off. hence, the biggest book-movie franchises are when the book just happens to follow what hollywood screen writers do. When you take "movie AND book" successes out of the equation? You see more variation in what "works well" for a novel. "Let me help you write, with these X easy steps" is a meme. Just as let me help you do X with Y easy steps is a meme. Its everyone copying and parroting the same stuff and repackaging it.

>>25154146
You couldnt analyze them on your own?

>>25154213
Harry Potter doesn't change. He's a little sissy faggot who needs strong men to give him gifts and hold his hand, and in the final book he's still a sissy little faggot who needs big strong men holding his hand and giving him gifts.

>tina is back spamming incoherent ramblings (3) ((three))

In my opinion writing is something that can't be taught directly. It's a matter of "comprehension". Like in novels where people read manuals and the big thing is trying to "comprehend" it? Yeah it's like that.

I genuinely believe that writing is a skill that, when you're trying to teach someone, you can't do it directly. You basically have to "trick them" into arriving at it "of their own volition". It's not just a matter of general good-practices truisms, that won't make you a good writer.

I also believe most art is like this. There are people who are technically fine artists but their work just has no soul to it.

No great author went to college to learn how to write.

>>25154237
I'm of the same belief. You can get all the advice you want, read plenty of self help books, listen to tutorials; it still isn't going to make you better by itself. Only in doing it will you improve. Things will click, and you won't even notice until you go back to older work and compare it to something more recent.

>>25154237
I don't think that's quite true. Yes, writing advice needs to be actually internalized, but that doesn't mean that there's no point in giving newbies advice. Basic shit like grammar, word choices, or sentence length variation or can still help out those just starting out.

>>25154231
Wrong. He changes from a polite, humble and clever young boy into an angstic, selfish dick with a martyr complex.

>>25154246
The technical basics are important and can be taught, but that's only the foundation.

>>25154251
Why would anyone want to self insert in such story?

>>25154236
>>tina is back spamming incoherent ramblings (3) ((three))
its not incoherent. once again you use non-logic. "if person X says the sky is blue, the sky must not be blue". Its (you) who have nothing to contribute. hence (you) are the spammer. Project much?

>>25154237
>No great author went to college to learn how to write.
too true. if all these "rules" worked? every editor would be a best selling novelist' they're not. Likewise, every writing professor as well. No different than classical music theorists in this regard. These people can only identify common elements most successful works share. the great failure of all of these and that's writing and music both: rules and guidelines are awesome for beginners. But success comes from knowing when and which rules to break and it adds to things. It is true, however. One must first learn all the rules, before deciding which ones need broken at any given time. Its a balancing act, not a staircase of rules.

>>25154304
Frankly the odds on you being right about anything are so minuscule that if you said the sky was blue I'd have to triple check.

Why the fuck are you here? No one's ever taken your advice except that retarded German dude, no one's ever requested your opinion on anything or reacted positively when you shared it nonetheless, you've got even less readers than kinoman. I'm going to tell you something you must've heard a dozen times before: please just fuck off.

>>25154319
writing is like the person that walks a tight rope. Anyone can go up the ladder (rules). Its walking along that rope that gets the real ooh's and ahh's. And that's the part that can't be taught, and the science turns quick to science+art.

Every webnovel and "bestseller" book I've picked up wipes their ass with the "rules" from page one, and somehow they still have their audience. It's all a matter of marketing and visibility. Reader cattle simply doesn't know better

>>25154331
oh look. its the anon that actually manages to be more annoying that tina and kino put together. why don't you post some of your own award winning work instead of annoying everyone as per your usual.

>>25154337
web-novels are a curious case. overwriting and micro-serialization are necessary to generate constant release views. the constant cliff-hook every 1000 to 1500 words would be annoying in a traditional novel as would the single sentence paragraphs and boiled down everything. Its a unique medium.

>>25154347
If anything it's just resurgence of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_phone_novel

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>>25154105
>>25154123
I thought web novels were supposed to have micro paragraphs. These paragraphs are completely normal in size.

>>25154331
show us on the doll where tina touched you anon. we want to help you get better. or did kino and tina get you drunk and tag team you. those animals. LMAO, lol even.

>>25154362
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_phone_novel
interesting. thanks, anon. enjoy a (you)

>>25154365
>I thought web novels were supposed to have micro paragraphs. These paragraphs are completely normal in size.
I've seen some real paragraphs in works on web novel sites and some of them were very popular. Some WN forum members espouse openly to love real paragraphs and sentences though they are in the minority. Yet another "rule" that isn't. There are no real rules, there's only what works and what doesn't. if WN could be freed from the phones this "rule" disappears or at least lessens greatly.

>>25154177
>judge the entire book from one page.
Kino-man here, that's not fair.

>>25154387
>if WN could be freed from the phones this "rule" disappears or at least lessens greatly.
I think I read somewhere where it says that single-sentences are appreciate because it's less awful to look on the screen of a mobile.

>>25154365
anyone who touts any standard of conduct is a retard and should treated as such

>>25154428
true. this necessity though is disguised as a "rule". They claim its about "reader engagement" disrupted by real sentences and paragraphs. Trad pub novels completely dispel this myth. If short sentences and single line paragraphs were the superior condition paperbacks would have adopted the format ages ago.

>>25154442
Yeah. I think the best examples of this is when WN's are translated into LN's. The sentences are expanded and properly formatted.

>>25154365
This is a thing for gook and chink novels due to their writing systems. Chinkshit in particular uses lots of 2 hanzi words that are of Buddhist origin so you have shit like 天魔 (tianmo/mara) which is often translated as heavenly demon

How can you expect me to write 2000 words a week without AI?

>>25154521
write your chapter without caring about punctuation and such then ask the AI to correct and improve it?

>>25154365
It depends. Japanese and Korean novels seem to have a lot smaller paragraphs, at least that how it looks to be from my experience

>>25154521
A week? You should be writing that in two days at the utmost.

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I am currently reading "Starting with a Wasted Spiritual Root to Embark on Demonic Cultivation". A fairly traditional xianxia novel with mc having a litrpg like cheat, other than that it's xianxia. Writing/translation is quite good, I'd rate it 9/10, sometimes before a major fight you get long info dumps or a long analysis of a current situation and you just want to get to the fighting part. I am at chapter 230, there is no harem, no romance. Mc mostly cares about cultivation. The novel is ongoing, there are 300 translated chapters and another 150 behind patreon paywall.

If you can't do that in three days at most you have no chance

>>25154565
>A fairly traditional xianxia novel with mc having a litrpg like cheat
Why the fuck is this so common? Can't these fucking authors make it an in-universe cheat? My immersion gets instantly shattered when shit like that gets brought up

>>25154565
The only reason to want to have a cheat and cultivate is to spend an eternity with jade fairies. Demonic cultivation makes it doubly unappealing.

>>25154758
Just read romance then. Why are even posting here?

>>25154065
>>Paul Atreides was swearing.
this is better

>>25154565
So it's another cultivator murderbot. Yawn.

>>25154826
why

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>>25151804
So, I wanted to write this story about not-Napoleon who dooms his kingdoms, but I figured I'd need to ground the reader in the universe first by exploring it for a few chapters before a coup.
But the outline I have come up with is kinda uneventful.

>>25154970
What is motivating the mc to do all that nonsense? The outline is increadibly simp, I am not seeing any a real tangible benefits for the mc for follow the plot outline.

>>25154177
Which one was 5? I’ve never read a flawless story before.

>>25154983
He is a sort of opportunistic grifter seeking purpose in life.
He is kinda heavily influenced by people he comes across.
Like in Chapter 2, he only gets the army and decides to do something because his uncle vouches for him and convinces him that he is duty-bound to fix his mistake.
>>25154988
Undying Emperor >>25154123

>>25154983
what a stupid comment

>>25154970
naming your protagonist captain caramel aside, you've got wild ideas about the average length or content of a chapter

chapters 3 and 4 both could be entire arcs of 20+ chapters if you played your cards right, and so could chapter 2

you're seriously gonna need to figure out what anyone would read this story for then start focusing on doing that, to the point where you need to plot your arcs around that specific thing happening again, again, and again

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Jesus fuck, it really is nothing but archmages now. How do you not get tired of that crap? It's not like any of them do anything creative with it beside "boom, I win"

>>25155099
perhaps I should write archmage slop of my own
on the side, quietly, just finish a volume, do a proper launch, see if it takes off

>>25155067
>>you're seriously gonna need to figure out what anyone would read this story for then start focusing on doing that, to the point where you need to plot your arcs around that specific thing happening again, again, and again
I mean its progress of ranks, isn't that obvious?

>MC starts as captain of escort (~20 men)
>gets given command of a raiding party (~300 men)
>serves as a military commander abroad
>becomes influential enough to stage a coup in his home kingdom
>seeks unification of the peninsula

Probably not too interesting, but the sequence of events is kinda secondary to how characters change their views during it.

>>25155165
>I mean its progress of ranks, isn't that obvious?
No.

>Mid-fantasy SoL from the perspective of a preteen girl who has a crush on a mid-20's man modeled after myself
I think it could work

>>25155169
>mid-20s
man
i'm fucking 27
it doesn't really feel like it at all

>>25154865
The other one comes off as trying too hard. It's pretentious. Just say what you want to say.

>>25155004
#5 isn’t the first chapter of Undying Empire. I just read it. Undying Empire is #6.

Skulltaker is #5.

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>>25154185
I feel no humiliation from critique by a machine. It will not dissuade me.

>>25155004
>He is a sort of opportunistic grifter seeking purpose in life.
>He is kinda heavily influenced by people he comes across.
>Like in Chapter 2, he only gets the army and decides to do something because his uncle vouches for him and convinces him that he is duty-bound to fix his mistake
That is just not suitable for webnovels.

Has anyone made their own power system here?

>>25154254
to be a wizard and bang hermione, duh

>>25154146
>wasn't mentioned
feels bad man.

>>25155476
That's the synopsis of my HP self-insert fanfic, but I also bang Ginny and the hr bitch

>>25155476
Hp was just lame in every sense from the 1st paragraph of the 1st book to the very end. I did not understand it back then but now I realize that it's story written by a female author and was always destined to be shit.

>>25154115
they will regret this when the coming Anti-Chinese Act will put all the Chinese into internment camps and a Tribunal will try every company who pushed Chinese ideas and culture for being foreign propagandists or treason.

>>25155476
>>25155518
i could not envision myself having sex with any of the characters from those novels.

>>25155523
> to the very end
Were you hoping it would get better or was it just to prove a point? 7 books is a lot to give for something you don't even like.

>>25155347
she cute

Is there anyone that ever bother writing an antagonistic terrorist organization in a Kingdom Building novel? One that's a credible threat to the main character and has a real shot at taking over the government?
Im asking to see if this is a turnoff for readers and how involved in the story they should be, they basically there to attack when the Kingdom is at its lowest and basically bring it to its knees before the main cast either saving it just in time or making a comeback in an arc or two after its taken over

>>25155798
Spread magical fentanyl.

>>25155798
Terrorism and guerilla war only work when the enemy can give up and leave, or when theyre unwilling to simply murder everyone vaguely involved. Kingdoms havent historically given a flying fuck if they have to burn villages of peasants down when theey get uppity.

>>25155821
Then i should change it to a coup d'état?

(chicken) coop due to eat

>>25155833
Sure. I don't have an answer though, post one if you find one I'll be reading.

>>25154115
Nah. It's more likely to merge with scifi. Just look at all the Chinese gacha games. They love their tacticool leather jackets.
So xianxia + lightsabers make sense. At least that's what Disney's Star Wars has been trying, and failing, to do.
And with scifi, the whole travelling a million miles in a day and destroying a city with one hit would make more sense.

>>25155936
Fantasy and scifi don't mix

>>25155955
homo take, 'the magic was overtech the whole time' is my favorite setting

>>25155955
He says, in a genre where mages grow stronger by studying "the system" and messing with floating blue touchscreens.

>>25155973
>Fantasy is actually sci-fi
Gay
>Sci-fi is actually fantasy
Hooray!

scifi is fake and gay unless you accept that it's just fantasy with bodysuits and lightsabers

>>25155973
I hate that shit. It's almost never done well, and always feels fucking retarded.

>>25155099
With all the archmages and OPMCs cluttering up RR, I predict the next breakout hit is going to be a hyper autistic, mega crunchy number porn, where going from level 1 to 10 takes a hundred chapters of meticulous grinding and explaining every skill in excruciating detail.
After all, autists need to eat too, and they should be ravenous right about now.

starbound meets godbound

>>25155955
newtypes are cool and i dig the weirdness in dune+heinlein stuff

>>25156042
a porn litRPG? interesting.

>>25155821
you need to understand. overwhelming power and numbers mean nothing when faced with determined geurilla opponents. if you take all a man has and he wishes he was already dead... you do not want to face that man in battle. History teaches us that *many* a powerful government has lost this battle. Its a difference between reading sun tzu the art of war and understanding its implications. there literally is no "winning" a geurilla war if the opponents are determined enough and are willing to give their lives. You "burn enough villages" and slaughter enough women and children you create the perfect conditions for this.

>>25156191
History has shown this not to be the case. People ultimately want to live. The most modern example is the US subduing the phillipines after the spanish american war. To begin with your premise is flawed, simply wanting to kill someone doesnt give you the capability it do it. Sun tzu speaks of giving opponents and out: there is an out here, surrender. Lastly I suggest you think about all of the people wiped out to the last, were they simply lacking determination to fight, as you seem to claim?

>>25155376
Web novel protagonist motivations are kinda shit at best
Like Solo Levelling MC quest is saving his sick mother. Which I always found kinda weak motivation.
>>25155515
what do you mean?
>>25155322
right my bad
>>25155305
It's called flavor. I think thirsty descriptions are main appeal for women readers.

>>25156227
my story wasn't one of the ones to get analyzed

>>25156231
it wasn't in the pile?

>>25156234
its on the gdocs at least

>>25156199
according to your theory of things, no revolution could *ever* happen. Because all the government needs is overwhelming numerical superiority and firepower. Right? Wrong. history is filled with revolutionary success,and most of them were underdog victories. The worst mistake the superior government can make, is going too far. Look, this is in the context of the book idea anon had. I'm not saying that the government isn't favored to win. I'm saying its not a guarantee. Anon wanted a scenario, and its very plausible that terroristic geurilla methods can be victorious.

>>25156240
you don;t understand the core concept of the geurilla war. Its not about the conflict itself. the geurilla does not "win" battles. What you do is, you attack somewhere far away from the bigger force. make them spend time and money marching to crush you. Then you blend in the poopulation and materialize somewhere far away again and do it again. The enemy, goes BROKE fighting nothing. You spend almost no money and no lives lost, doing what you can keep up doing forever. In time, the government goes broke. Sun Tzu addresses this set of tactics, at great length.

>>25156248
>Sun Tzu addresses this set of tactics, at great length
Sun Tzu address economy?

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>>25154970
Refined chapter 1 outline, I still feel it doesn't have enough stuff to fill 1,000 words.
Outlining is hard...

>>25156392
It has several ick-factors that guarantee you no readers
>forced marriage
>doormat MC
>MC loses a fight
>captured princess cliche
>doomer tone
That's quite a killer combo on just chapter 1

>>25156392
How in the fuck do you get that to be less than 1k words?

>>25156257
nta but the entire book is about economy, it's one of the most popular books among executives.

>>25156257
Sun Tzu's book was written for dipshit "he's useless at everything else so put him in the army" sons of nobility. No wonder it's popular for executives to have on their shelves. It gives an impression that they're lettered when most CEOs are the most incompetent people on the planet.

>>25156738
holy based

>>25156652
Think it comes down to how much visual description you provide. If you describe the eye colors of every character, you can fill in stuff.
Personally, I kinda hate visual descriptions.

>>25156227
Xianxia protagonists seek eternal life and immortality, how is that a weak motivation?

>>25156787
wrong they seek benefits

>>25151804
Is writing visual novels a valid hobby

>>25156746
Anon, listen. I don't know what kind of outline you're using, and considering what you're getting out of it, I don't know if you actually know how to use it either.

If I were writing this, and I wouldn't, then the first chapter outline would be as follows:
>Captain Caramel escorts the princess to the fort. There's plenty of descriptions of the route, the horse that the men are riding, what kind of dudes that they are. Describe the fucking weather.
>Some subordinate comes to talk to the captain. Use this to establish how the POV character interacts with his guys, what kind of leader he is, and some rapport with other characters.
>Caramel joins the princess in her carriage or whatever she's riding. This is the point where you establish how the protagonist feels about nobility, about women, and his own marital status. Then establish how women feel about Caramel. Is he handsome, popular, charming, or is he just your average military bungler? Do all of this in descriptions.
>After a good-sized chunk of description, it's dialogue time. The princess is clearly melancholic about her upcoming marriage. Use this to describe the political situation if you must.
>After a while, something starts niggling at Caramel. Maybe things are too quiet, maybe there's a sudden shout he can't quite hear, maybe he just gets some gut feeling premonition.
>He sticks his head out of the carriage and realizes there's an attack incoming. Someone shouts or falls to make it clear that it's happening right fucking now. End of chapter.

That should get you to 2k words easily. It establishes the protagonist, establishes how the world sees the protagonist, doesn't have the princess confide in some fucking random that actually she's collaborating with enemy forces because she doesn't want to do something she was raised to do, and when the main character takes significant losses from the attack it actually makes these losses feel like people he knows are dead, comrades of years working together, not just numbers on a sheet.

Start chapter 2 with the attack proper, ffending it off and failing, and so on. End that with the enemy king either appearing directly on the battlefield to make it clear that the protagonist's struggle is doomed, or end it with the princess pleading for Caramel's life and then dropping the bomb that she had a hand in this. I'm partial to the second one.

Also, for the love of God, please get better naming sense. Aucina is fine, Jocasel doesn't sound good, and Calamel is a disaster outright. Shorten it to Cal if your heart is set on it for some ungodly reason.

>>25156793
For what purpose do they seek them?

>>25155347
my lesbian wife (I'm a man).

I hate editing so much. Approving suggestions, making comments, looking over comments, meticulously keeping shit that could be resolved just so it's there for a third party to look at and approve anyway.

>>25156834
correct and improve this; maintain the writing style and characterization :)

>>25156746
it was a trope in detective novels, to do a police description of any person the first person detective meets. Unless aping that vibe, that's about the only what that works well. If info dumping is wrong, think of it as a little info dump every time a new character shows up. Spread the description out, to worm it into the interaction. You can drip the description out while action-tagging the person's dialogue.
>
'Widening her pale blue eyes let me know without a word on her part that she expected an answer."
>
"I've never seen a grown middle age woman stand pigeon toed before, and I wondered if it was an affectation to see the toe points of her high heeled pumps angling towards one another."

>>25156854
>her
Stopped reading there.

>>25156738
and power tools let a professional get the job done in minutes flat instead of an hour. They also afford amateurs the ability to ruin things in record time. Books like Sun Tzu art of war and Machiavelli the prince... they give you ideas you'd never dream up on your own in a thousand years.

>>25156738
yes. because (you) of course, would be just an award winning business leader, what with your vast experience flipping burgers and all. What were we thinking, that Harvard MBAs might have a better shot at it.

>>25156738
"I'm a pseud, trying to look good." --- the post.

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>>25156392
Fuck me, should have written more bullet points. I end up writing 200 words of nothing.

>>25156866
>>25156881
A donkey could be an executive and do a better job than most. It used to be that at least a CEO was liable for anything the company did, but they've weaseled their way out of that as well. It's a cushy job where you've got to do fuckall and earn bucketloads of money. Fuck anything up - and you will because a Harvard MBA is absolutely worthless - and you'll get a shiny golden parachute into your next high-paying corporate job at a bigger conglomerate, where you can do it all over again.

>>25156920
The times when a CEO was some kind of king leading a company are ancient history. The shareholders' board does that now and the CEO's job is only to tell the management to tell the middle management to tell the supervisors to tell the employees why they must be laid off despite record-breaking profits. And to take the fall when the board decides something exceptionally retarded and the stock plunges

>>25156906
>noblewomen
Stopped there. Another simp story.

>>25156248
They go broke because of 3 things:
Outside support is not sealed
The army or polity commanding it is on a deadline
The army has a bottom line they wont cross(but you will)
The flips tried this with the americans, and the americans would simply kill every last person in a village if a soldier was disappeared from it, additionally foreign support was severed. Time constraints existed but the military goverenor was so far away from oversight he had enough power to get the job done before this was a problem. Revolts are rarely successful to begin with, and cases where they didn't have outside support exceedingly rare. My point primarily being that genocide is a prefectly viable solution to guerillas, as it has been done multiple times to great success. If you want the rebels to win they need outside support in order to contest with the occupier materially or at least in terms of training. This is what having a power disadvantage fundamentally means.

>>25156956
how do you write protagonist that is not a simp?
Even the Greeks classics are full of simps. Like the Iliad is story of simps

>>25156965
How is it difficult to write a protagonist that isnt a simp? Having a setting without them entirely is one thing but surely you can just write as guy who treats women as property? Or just make him a raging homosexual i guess.

>>25156937
You can still have the old-style CEO dynamic. The price is not selling your company's soul to the international jew, not going public. E.g. Valve

>>25156970
>surely you can just write as guy who treats women as property
So, men fall into tow categories:
>men who see women as property
And
>men who simp for them

>>25156983
I used that example just because I couldn't imagine how treating them as property could be misconstrued as simping. As a writer surely you can come up with a middle ground you dont think is simping.

>>25156981
If your company is worth anything at all, it will be bought out sooner or later. Valve is a historic freak occurrence and doesn't really serve as an example. You know it'll be chopped up as soon as gaben croaks

>>25156965
>>25156970
How about just not include females in the story

>>25157001
Why? Your personal feelings aside, most people don't have an issue with women existing.

>>25157001
How am I supposed to pass Bechdel test?

>>25156996
Do you think "a buyout" is some magic spell or something? If I'm not selling, you can't buy.

>>25157016
They'll just crank up the pressure until you either sell, go bankrupt, or get couped by some other guy who is willing to play along.

>>25157023
That's getting into the realm of corporate warfare.
The simple fact of the matter is, the idea that getting bought out by some international conglomerate is inevitable is retarded, and is not realistic either. Many companies get bought out. But many don't. It's just that the process of becoming a megacorpo is much easier if you play ball with the international jew. And even if publicly traded, many companies still do this in a way that allows them to retain actual self-control via ownership ratios.

>>25157016
Enough digits in the bank transfer and yes, you will sell and give away your grandmother on top of the deal

>>25157029
Some people actually believe and live by the words 'money can't buy happiness'.

>>25157029
This is the same niggerlogic that separates, say, EA, versus Valve. Short-term payouts are the realm of the investor and the subhuman market speculator.

>>25157004
Because a good progression fantasy require the absence of women.
Same way a good romance story requires the absence of ...mass slaughter to capture souls of those killed to make a complete powerful magical artefact (or something along those lines).

>>25157033
Regarding the matter of fuckfuck games to force you to pay, the way I would write it, I would have two plots happening side by side.
The surface plot, which would be CEO sim type stuff, and the subsurface plot, which would be underworld F.E.A.R./John Wick type action, either using the MC or some ally of the MC's stacking bodies and doing spook shit, basically waging a guerilla war against the bigger corpos.

>>25157005
What is that?

>>25157040
force you to sell*
retard typo moment

>>25157038
Why does it have to progression fantasy? But anyway you could have him fuck higher position women as a direct element of progression.

>>25157043
Because this is /wng/, if you want to write traditional fantasy there are other generals for that.

>you could have him fuck higher position women as a direct element of progression.
That is not what progression is in the context of webnovels.

>>25157001
what a schizophrenic post
are you the poster that seethes about fmc?

>>25157056
Oh I apologize Lord Judge of all webnovels, I overstepped my bounds by having any taste that isn't codified in the Scriptures of /wng/. Some of us just enjoy the creativity that can be found in independently published works.
>That is not what progression is in the context of webnovels.
My apologies again for not seeing things from the perspective of your illustrious self, people that engage in women collecting are all just posturing to further the aims of the feminist agenda.

>>25157057
>schizophrenic post
Why do you think that?

>>25157063
No need for that. You know full well that webnovel fiction differs from traditionally published fiction.

>>25156199
History this, history that. How about recent history?
The Taliban took over Afghanistan. Houthis controls Yemen. HTS owns half of Syria. RSF has half of Sudan. Somalian pirates control the local government. And let’s not forget how some cannibal gangs managed to take over Haiti not too long ago.
The list goes on.
And before you say, oh that’s because the US packed up and left. The US doesn’t (officially) runs the world. The local state government does. They have their own standing armies that are worth nothing against madmen in sandals with weapons and a death wish.
In a world without airplanes and the internet, local governments are even more susceptible to hostile take over by people with the desire to get shit done.

>>25157070
It differs in that you aren't beholden to an editor. It can be anything the author puts to paper after that. Claiming that webnovels need to abide by the webnovel canon or something because x or y webnovel makes a bunch of dollars is absurd from a creative perspective.

>>25157079
You don't have to have an editor and you can independently publish, you can also have an editor and publish online only.
Having or not having an editor has nothing to do with it.

>>25157033
Valve can only afford to have principles because, thanks to establishing the equivalent of an absolute monopoly on PC-gaming, nobody can offer them anything comparable to their revenue.

>>25157077
The original discussion was about Kingdoms and terrorists in them. I argued this wasn't in line with actual terrorists, because peasant revolts pretty much always were crushed decisively. Modern history has no bearing on how his theoretical 'kingdom building' story would function because it wouldn't be modern in setting.
To address your point anyway because I'm bored: Have you looked at the population of Afghanistan over the course of american occupation? We weren't interested in actually solving the problem.
>Houthis controls Yemen
They receive foreign support.
>RSF has half of Sudan
They receive foreign support, additionally I'm not sure they were engaging in much of a guerilla war here.
>HTS owns half of Syria
Immense foreign support to topple Assad.
>Somalian pirates control the local government
>cannibal gangs managed to take over Haiti
Neither of these are guerilla wars, its the state completely failing to function. Just because a state completely fell apart due to its own retardation doesnt mean the groups involved are conducting 'terrorism' or 'guerilla war'.

>>25157099
Didn't valve get cucked by visa and mastercard just few months ago?

>>25157091
Glad you see it that way, webnovels can truly be anything.

>>25157099
How many alternate services came along and ate shit because they tried to play hardball? The only ones that have survived did so by not doing that, by either playing nice or not playing against Valve at all (e.g. GOG)
fact of the matter is Valve provides the best service and has done so for a long while

Epic could've stood a chance if their client wasn't actual borderline unusable rancid dogshit.

>>25157107
I meant that webnovels can have an editor, regarding the type of fiction, there is a strong distinction between traditonally published stories and webnovels.

>>25157115
Nah thats just you slotting things into categories where there doesnt need to be any. Published on the web primarily? Webnovel.
Even if you disagree with my reductive logic here you'd just be substituting a different form of reductive logic where progfantasy=webnovel/non-progfantasy=tradpub.

>>25157119
I am slotting things into categories because those categories exist and all work that gets published gets slotted into categories, not by me but the audiences, by publishers, by the industry. By all means write traditional fiction and then publish the .txt on your neocities blog if you want to stay outside the system (and have no one read your work).

>>25157133
So does something have to be progfantasy to be a webnovel?
>not by me but the audiences
Hm, no, as a member of the audience I dispute this.
>by publishers
Odd take if you're of the opinion you can just post anywhere and be slotted.
>by the industry
Who?
>if you want to stay outside the system (and have no one read your work).
But if I post it on ao3 I can have both? Or is smut/fanfiction tradpub too?

>>25157142
you're arguing with someone who's chain replying and baiting engagement. he's either a retard with a black void of brain activity or a bad faith actor baiting you
cease

>>25157152
Oh alright, I was just bored anon. Bringing the discussion back around to webnovels has anyone read OP? I was thinking about giving it a try.

>>25154408
>>judge the entire book from one page.
>Kino-man here, that's not fair.
kino man gets judged by onepage, true. But I hear this all the time. "Dude, this sucks. Its so boring. I'm 25 chapters in, it just stays boring." Ansner: "Dude. you need to stick it out. like, from chapter 150 on, it starts to get good."
>
but remember Kino. you need a "punchy" first chapter. With a strong hook. With action and peril from sentence one! Kino? If you discover the logic in everything they say, please post on it. LMAO. Here's another one. Every sentence needs to advance the plot forwards. If it doesn't do that, kill your darlings. But, slice of life. No real plot. nothing will ever really happen. It gets silly or frustrating when you notice all the contradictions.

>>25157001
you sound homosexual.

>>25157112
Valve got lucky in several important ways. One, being there before anybody else. Two, the global culture shifting away from physical media to digital only sales, when you have the biggest digital storefront. When the competition's only chance of survival is "do it like Valve", they're just giving them more boost. Of course, having a functional service helps, but they've fucked up many times before and can get away with it, because there's just no alternative.

>>25156957
Allow me to outline this. You, are the boiggest strongest man in town. Big alpha dog. You are well connected, because you're also high up on the police force. You're literally GOD. I'm a young teenager. You're an asshole, all the teenagers think so. We make a pact. I dhow them. I walk up at 4 in the morning, and launch a rock through your living room window. It costs a couple grand to get it replaced. Pro tip; you won't solve this case. I wait a couple months, then do it again. I lure your dog with food when it gets out, and kill it. Mail your wife the severed head, she has to sign for it. Note explaining why it was done. There's literally nothing you can do. There's no "enemy' to go fight, with all your strength and connections. see your car in a parking lot at the mall? Vandalize it. If we refuse to fight you? You can't use all your resources and strength and connections. All you can "do", is surround your house all night with armed guards (going broke) and an armed guard to stand guard over any family members car when out. (again broke) THAT is a good geurilla war, there'sno enemy to fight. Kill everyone in town to make sure you "get" me? With no town, you have no JOB dumb-ass. i'll win this fight, and there;snothing you can do to stop me if I'm determined and careful. What's worse? I now have other teenagers doing it, because they see how successful I've become at it. Welcome to geurilla war, dumb fuck.

>>25157217
Counterpoint: I don't solve the case, I burn the village with every person inside it.
This whole rigmorale where you 'blend into the population' was solved a thousand years ago. Remove the population.
If your objective is to collect taxes as fast as possible, you can lose.
If your objective is to remove a threat, you can win pretty straightforwardly.

>>25157232
>This whole rigmorale where you 'blend into the population' was solved a thousand years ago. Remove the population.
Really? The muzzies did this to the US/Isreali situation. They enter country a, and bait the USA into coming in. They then go to country B. 20 years later, we invade country B. They go to country C. Look at our deficit, this is killing us. We can't win. When the geurillas *leave* and you kill the innocent people, you piss off more people that join the geurillas. Power without wisdom and intelligence, is good but not great.

>>25157142
You are just one person and clearly your view does not allign with the majority.
Regarding smut that is totally different, it falls outside of trad/webnovel literature.

>>25157258
>Really?
Yes, observe the population of afghanistan.
American RoE during the whole sandbox with the very notable exception of Islamic State engagements were hilariously restrictive.
An actual example from afghanistan
Pilot observes a building firing on allies and requests clearance to obliterate it.
He doesnt get it because the command correctly deduces the insurgents are only a few of the occupants.
Correct answer: blow them all up because sheltering insurgents makes them complicit.

>>25157264
>You are just one person and clearly your view does not allign with the majority
no u

>>25157264
retard

>>25157208
I am heterosexual, I just separate women’s affairs from all other matters (literature included).

I'm not following the argument at all but it's spelled guerilla you fucking moron. Just had to get that out of my system.

>>25157388
GU-erilla?

>>25157266
>Correct answer: blow them all up because sheltering insurgents makes them complicit.
I see it. You're a jew, advocating killing everyone in pursuit of "winning". Your perverted justification, and claiming how smart and superior you are. It also aligns with your persistent refusal to acknowledge that other takes exist and apply. The usual pilpul. Now when I quit discourse on this topic, you can claim (hollow) victory. Yes, go on a genocide. Kill everyone in a building or a town because one person threw a rock at you. Nothing bad could e-v-e-r come from this tactic. Oh, wait...

>>25157264
relly,that;s simply fascinating. On a WN site. all the wn's are right there to look at. Plenty of smut to behold. The come with no warning that "these are not web-novels". What an idiot. "Only what I say is a web-novel, is a web-novel". Spectacular logic. Please tell us more.

>>25157416
Simply put those are webnovels, but whatever trash you are writing is not

>>25157070
A webnovel is a novel that's published on the web. That's it. It doesn't need to be progression fantasy litRPG self insert slop to be a "proper webnovel".

>>25157431
>In response to your accusation that I am a jew I will...

... you will talk-talk-talk and tap dance. Its cool, I don't care if you're a jew. You are right, the american plan was retarded and had no clear military objectives. Its vietnam all over again. Okay. If your military goal is to take over a land, jews move into gaza and build it for their complete own. Yes, genocide works. But normal governments are more like a farm. There's no *point* in killing all the animals, or you lose the whole point of the exercise. On a farm the animals have to be a little bit happy or you make no money off the farm. Your logic is not compelling, its childish like an unintelligent bully. A smart kid being bullied, one of many. They can take terroristic guerilla actions against the bully. They never have to fight the bully, they constantly drive him nuts. true, the bully can beat *everyone* up, every day. But its not realistic, more people just join in the geurilla campaign. When you refuse to confront your enemy in a fight, there's literally nothing the superior force can do. Curb stomping is all they know. You know these are effective and smart tactics, and would apply to the anon's (original) novel question. And these are the kinds of tactics that Sun Tzu teaches you. Where's the great victory over the muzzies. I know, two more weeks. 20 years from now, this is still going to be going on sporadically. Its why they fight like this. Its the smartest way the inferior force can keep fighting.

>>25157474
>But normal governments are more like a farm.
Whats a normal government? Genuinely, do you think warcrimes were a thing against peasants?
>On a farm the animals have to be a little bit happy or you make no money off the farm
Ironic how jewish this mindset is.
>And these are the kinds of tactics that Sun Tzu teaches you
How did the chinese deal with rebellions? The answer may surprise you.
>But its not realistic, more people just join in the geurilla campaign
Why has it worked for 95% of human history then? Guess everyone was just retarded in the ole days.
You call my solution childish, I think its childish to just say 'oh, I guess we just lose' without even doing anything. I'm not even advocating genocide as a modern solution to modern problems, because there are pragmatic reasons to not systematically exterminate muzzies. In the context of a 'kindgom' novel I was attempting to argue that you can't really have terrorists, because it hasnt ever worked against such an opponent. You can have a coherent element of the domestic military/nobility rise against another element, but peasants are a non-starter.

>>25157526
the underdog resistance, is an exciting and dangerous narrative for the novel. Witness all the underground resistance novels that came in the wake of world war two. There's danger and excitement, being potentially caught on a mission at every step. Its compelling as a story. Readers aren't going to get 800 page military comparative-historical analysis novels out. They'll just enjoy the edge of the seat excitement of constant danger and the pitched uphill underdog battle. I think its the way for anon to go with his novel.

>check thread
>tina sperging out
>check thread a few hours later
>tina still sperging out

>>25157542
Yeah and he'd be right. He should still note theres a foreign power sending him weapons and intelligence though. I personally would read that historical fiction document. I know what you mean though.

>>25157546
i dunno, this posting style doesn't resemble tina that much

>>25157580
Tina's the only one that does the
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shit between paragraphs

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>finally finished a mini-arc I've been stressing over all week
This must be what labor and giving birth is like. Holy shit there was no reason for it to have been this hard to write.

>>25157232
>Counterpoint: I don't solve the case, I burn the village with every person inside it.
So you burn your own towns to the ground? That's a great way for insurgents to turn your own people against you.

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>>25158144
Oh boy…I haven’t even finished a third of it yet.

>>25158050
>That's a great way for insurgents to turn your own people against you.
this shit has literally never mattered in history because rulers don't ask for permission to rule (even when they sometimes claim to rule by popular demand), they rely solely on their resources to enforce their rule

disgruntled masses don't have shit so they can't do shit

>>25158469
Rulers need support from the army.
If someone pretends to be a disgruntled soldier and pops the tires of this hypothetical ruler is the leader going to start killing their own soldiers at random?

>>25158505
what are you even on about

if they're the ruler then obviously the army is already on their side

>>25158505
>"But what if someone dresses like the supreme leader's mother and slashes his tires?!?!"
>"Is he going to kill his mother?!?!?!"
Not him but this is why i can't take your side of the conversation seriously

>>25158531
The mother is one person, an army has a lot of people. Not comparable.

>>25158527
Soldiers can be upset about their living conditions or how their families are treated or any number of things.

An army is not a hivemind, individuals will have different views. The army being on their side as a whole, does not imply all of the soldiers look upon their leaders favorably. Some might rebel in petty ways.

>>25158777
soldiers love committing atrocities almost as much as they love getting swindled out of their service rewards and this is consistently observed across all of history

like back when the romans thought 25 years of service was a great deal for citizenship and a few extra bells and whistles

>>25158469
>this shit has literally never mattered in history because rulers don't ask for permission to rule (even when they sometimes claim to rule by popular demand), they rely solely on their resources to enforce their rule

>>25157232
>This whole rigmorale where you 'blend into the population' was solved a thousand years ago. Remove the population.

To put it more explicitly
What resources will you have if you destroy the population you rule over?
It's one thing to destroy a small village you conquered, but how is this tactic supposed to work if the guerillas can blend in with the people in your capital or important economic cities?

>>25158786
>What resources will you have if you destroy the population you rule over?
the same resources you've had before you've destroyed it

people are not even precious enough to qualify as a "resource", history repeatedly shows that they'll always be there no matter how you treat them

>>25158788
how much of the population in your capital is acceptable losses for someone breaking your window or killing your dog?

>>25158799
depends on the ruler's mood, but no matter how far it goes it's entirely inconsequential

>>25158828
Why would that be the case?

>>25157232
>I burn the village with every person inside it.
Yup. If your industries aren't reliant on populations of skilled craftsman / laborers in the area then this works, you can genocide the area and restart infrastructure. If the village isn't remote or isolated then a portion of the population will probably be displaced and radicalized in the attempt. Depending on the size, that will represent a major or minor problem for you to deal with. Pretty much boils back down to >>25155821 and whether the guerilla's demands cost more than dealing with it by force in the long run.

>>25158778
Roman history is practically a nonstop series of examples of how the army is not the ruler's friend

>>25158786
>because rulers don't ask for permission to rule
You've obviously not read ANY history. Every ruler who cares about his life will try to court the population's favor one way or another and keep them content. He needs that permission every day.

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>>25156906
How's this dialogue? It's becoming more formal than I intended, which might make it appear stiff, but I'm kinda afraid of going all casual in this context.

>>25159056
at least you tried

>>25159059
yes, trying and I failing is better than never trying

>>25159062
Whoever told you that lied

>>25159105
why?

>>25156799
Writing no, developing yes.

>>25159116
Because it's obviously untrue

>>25159056
>>25156906
Your writing lacks descriptiveness. Your "camera lens" is too zoomed out and brisk without delving into interesting details. Not one physical detail of character, environment, or sense elements in that dialogue passage, for instance. This can work in traditional formats where you have total control and a sold book already, but on a chapter-by-chapter basis it would be difficult to stick with this kind of story. It's also why you're having such trouble filling out your plot.
Your protagonist also comes off as a bit too mouthy and opinionated here. He shouldn't be holding forth unless there's to be meaningful friction over an idea (on the wealth-spending in this case). Friction in which he develops his case or has his case brought down by his interlocutor. Maybe that friction develops afterward, but it's not shown here.
Still, it could be worse. The grammar and structure isn't the problem, more your focus and approach.

>>25152925
>you now remember how schizo immortal had to toe the line
fucking slant eyes

>>25152870
>harem teen drama goon
this isn't true you're not a real webslopper, RR is mostly monoshit or worse F*male leads, I hate you

>>25159056
>she
Stopped there.

>>25152870
isn't even true
>>25153761
seems to agree with that post but then talks about something else entirely
Very sus posts.

>>25159184
>you now remember how schizo immortal
Respectfully, who?

>>25159216
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/dao-of-the-bizarre-immortal/

>>25159226
ty sir

>>25159228
how the fuck did you know where i'm from

>>25159229
What?

Postmodern absurd Pynchonesque xianxia (with System)

>>25159203
why you hate women?

>>25159315
Why makes you think that?

>>25159325
*what

>>25159158
I did plan on adding descriptions.
But generally, I kinda hate descriptions because they put action on pause. So, I try to interconnect the action with the description. The problem with that approach is that sentences become a bit heavy.
>>25159158
>Your protagonist also comes off as a bit too mouthy and opinionated here
That is from fear of making a passive protagonist.
I think one of the strengths of written form is being inside of characters head, but if POV is too headstrong, it might come off as annoying. Then again, I quite enjoy writing biased characters.
>He shouldn't be holding forth unless there's to be meaningful friction over an idea (on the wealth-spending in this case).
It is to seed the idea that he thinks he could do better. Which is important when he ends up taking over.
>Your "camera lens" is too zoomed out and brisk without delving into interesting details.
What are the interesting details?

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For the handful here who read Born Under a Black Sun, what stuff did you like/dislike about it? I am outlining a new story (maritime science fiction)

>>25159527
I should read this. Been meaning to get around to it.

Had a little too much to drink and ended up buying my second ad, the $100 one this time. Fingers crossed this is the one that works.

>>25159648
Ad?

>>25159527
>popular fantasy novel on rr
What's the catch?

>>25159679
No catch. It’s my first book, and I wanted feedback from an audience. I put it in on Amazon after it was complete, sold about 160 copies. But it’s not web novelesque at all

Premise: your powerlevel in the afterlife is dependent on the amount of living people that know your name at any point.

What implications will it have in this world?

>>25159688
Any smut, harem, simping?

>>25159720
Sorry bud, none of that

>>25159725
Female leads, shitty romance?

>>25159736
No and no, there is undertones of romance that don’t impact the story in a large way. Basically just necromancers and healers on a mission in a foreign land

>>25159757
>undertones of romance
don't do this

>>25159758
It’s already done, it’s about as important to the story as Aragorn’s relationship with Arwen is to the Lord of the Rings
I’m just not really interested in writing that stuff