Discuss any books of the science fiction and fantasy genres that weren’t written by Richard Scott Bakker.
Does Hyperion fall off after the first book?
I am very, very close to completing the cosmere. >>25157663Yes but I still liked it. 3&4 have my favorite character
>>25157663Fall of Hyperion is just as good if not better. Endymion books are pretty solid, maybe not quite on the same level as the first two but overall worth reading. Rise of Endymion does have a pretty bloated mid section but the ending pays off.
any cyberpunk books that arent just a rehash of pulp crime novels?
>>25157721Islands on the Net by Bruce Sterling.
Vote for your favourite series if you haven't yethttps://strawpoll.com/XOgOVq3Dan3
>>25157729ty!
>>25157735Why are you posting this here, you retard? Fuck off.
>>25157752Because the poll contains 99 books that are relevant to this thread
>>25157752They are just trying to stirr shit up. It's the Bakkerfag derailing the thread again.
>newfag bakkerfag schizosThey're more annoying than bakkerfag ever was at this point
asking again - is joe abercrombie sanderson tier, or more worthwhile?never read anything
t.picrelated, the general.
>>25157753Well, yeah and who the fuck is winning the poll, huh? Do you think I cannot see through your false flag bullshit? VPN Shitter.
don't react to him.
>>25157584>Discuss any books of the science fiction and fantasy genres that weren’t written by Richard Scott Bakker.Lol. What the fuck is your problem with Scott?
Any Booktubers who arent total trash?
why is the general opinion on robert jordan here positive if he was literally the sanderson of his times?
>>25157776https://www.youtube.com/@ChattingWithNuttsPretty sober reviews. He's newest stuff is very good actually. Especially hist compilations.
>>25157584The book of life is here: >>>/adv/34361780
>without bakkerYeah, that will SURELY stop the schizo
>>25157800He has the autism necessary to become a successful Sci-Fi writer.
>>25157663Once the titles swing over to Endymion just abandon it.
>>25157584Creating parallel generals is against the rules. Not only that but you cannot stop others to post what they want. So stop being a little bitch, will you?
>>25157735>No Ringworld
>you cannot stop others to post what they wantShut up, ESL dirtbag
>>25157807You are replying to the Bakkerfag. He created that poll on purpose and then used multiple VPNs.
Bakker.
>>25157811
>>25157819>>25157811Imagine being this new. Enjoy your vacation.
People say fantasy before 2000 was better, but really, very little happened between Tolkien and 2000 in terms of worthwhile books. Maybe Earthsea if you're into that, the Wheel of Time is mediocre at best, that's it.
Ok, enough internet for the day. This did not work.I concede. Please delete the general, mods.
kek what the fuck is this? is it that hard to just not talk about bakker in the normal thread?
>>25157834OP doesn't know how to use filters.
>>25157584>Richard Scott Bakker.Who is this guy and why is he black-listed?
>>25157851Because he's a faggot
shit general
>>25157819Still here btw.
>>25157735I voted for "He who shall not be named" btw.
I'm about to start this.What can I expect?
>>25157964Tons and tons of racism. So much so that the apes are superior to the blacks they live amongst
>>25157584Dubs and I make a turdpress account to reply on Bakker's blog and ask him to come here and tell Bakkerfag to fuck off.
>>25157990Truth shines ig
We own this place.
>>25157990>implying it's not Bakker.
I wrote 800 words of my sci-fi short story today bros
>>25158017good for you, post in sffg and tell me what you think makes it interesting
>>25158047It's too big for me to post the entire thing. When finished it'll probably be around 10k words. Also, people will be upset if I try to take attention away from Bakker.
>>25158017It better be better than Knight of Valora.
>>25158057Just tell me what makes it interesting goofy. You don't need to post the whole thing. Hurry up. /sffg/ needs you
>>25155237>>25155237>>25155237 The real general is here
>>25158017idk nigguh, 800 words sounds too short for even a short story
>>25158068It's a mystery/romance in a world invaded by dimension-hopping goblins.
Talk some shit about my bookshelf plz.
>>25158138Why would you have a random magic facing backwards?
>>25157968So, accurate to life, then.
>>25158138>Harry Potterstopped reading there
>>25158157I was covering my name
>>25158182But Jacob you don't have to do that
>>25158138>No BakkerDiscarded.
>>25158138The fact you have a bookshelf at all is kinda cringe but also kinda based.
>>25157663You only need to read the first two books. The series falls off after that.
>>25158017Based, I've been doing a few hundred daily on my fourth fantasy novel. WAGMI frogbro
You ever go to goodreads to look at reviews of a book you liked, but didn't love, searching for people who had the same issues that you did, only to find people who disliked it for the dumbest reasons imaginable?>"the prose, story, and worldbuilding were all amazing! but my goodness the way the women are written are…YIKES!">"I would have given this 5 stars if not for the glaring lack of LGBT characters"
>>25158548Post examples
>>25158547>fourth fantasy novelDamn, wish that were me. Godspeed, bro.
>>25158552I DNF'd Empire of the Vampire because of some cringiness and the fact that his brand of grimdark didn't agree with me, but I go to goodreads and this chick is screaming about how sexist it is.I just finished Dune: Messiah and I go there expecting people to talk about how Herbert's whole "Paul bad" message would have hit harder if we got to see the perspective of the people he were oppressing, but instead there's someone whining about the role of women in the story. Nevermind the fact that Alia and whatever the hell was going on with Hayt was arguably more interesting than Paul's brooding sleepwalk into tragedy. They're upset that herbert had a scene of her training naked and falling for a philosophizing womanizer famed for his skill with a sword. I agree that Chani didn't do much, but that's not what brought the book down for me.
>>25158548Shut up bakkerfag.
>>25158602fuckin lmao, we need a goodreads 1 star thread
>>25158602I understand your frustrations brother. Thats why I forever ignore reviews now. Unless video essays, which tend to be more thorough for some reason
Half a dozen threads of Gay of Thrones on page 1 every day but sure Bakker is the problem
>>25158757Anyone else ready for Sanderson newest novel?
>>25158771Me. I am ready to ignore it.
>>25158602The top reviewer for this book inserted physical tabs for whenever someone did a misogyny, sorted by categoryhttps://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56269205-empire-of-the-vampire?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=kAJiMWGzkL&rank=1These people are nuts.
>Kristoff promised us gay shit, and while I won’t go into specifics, it was just more f/f fetishization. When a (and I am making an assumption here!!!) “straight” male author frequently writes queer women and queer f/f sex scenes (i.e. The Nevernight Chronicles), I find it disgustingly male gaze-y. I shouldn’t even say “women,” because every gay female he writes is a teenager!!!!!!!! What we have here in Empire of the Vampire is gratuitous hetero male fantasy posturing in the guise of fantasy literature. NEARLY ALL** of the male characters are so offensively… STRAIGHT! The effeminate vampire is painted in a borderline homophobic way, all the jokes in the book are straight boy macho bullshit, and the author also makes it a point to mention in his world building how “sodomy is a sin.” There are slurs galore within this book, but Kristoff also uses a few gay jabs, as well. I thought that once—JUST ONE FUCKING TIME—Jay Kristoff would give us a queer male MC.
>>25158138Way too many things on it that arent books. If you have space put them between groups of books not infront. Too much visual noise.The sheld itself looks like a cheap shelf trying to look expensive.Its hard to even see what books you have but I'm probably autistic.
>>25158757i see only one thread, it stays on topic and we dont have asoif discussions anywhere outside its containment generalgood!
My wife ...
>>25159171I cuck you
>>25157806Just delete it with your janny powers then.
>>25157735whoever voted for stormlight, should kill himself
>>25159334trolls, perhaps. same as most of the vote
what should i read after hyperion?
>>25159440The Book of the New Sun.
For the handful here who read Born Under a Black Sun, what stuff did you like/dislike about it? I am outlining a new story. Maritime science fiction
>>25159342I voted for Bakker.
>>25159529we know. we know ...
This "general" is trash. I will use the official one. >>25158880
>>25159555sure, >>25159529-kun
>>25159171baby, did you forget to take your MEDS?
>>25159713The best pheno
Why, despite all the fantasy in the world available to authors, do so many stories revert to swordfights and other medieval tropes?
>>25159801I'm having this debate with myself right now. My initial idea was to write a fantasy in the 19th century, but then I tried to remember famous victorian fantasies and not a lot came to mind (Prime's Carnival Row was the only one actually), so now I think it might be best to go back to swords and armor. It might be just a preference of the audience really, since at the end of the day we want people to read our stuff and, most importantly, buy it.
>>25159808Make them fight by sending out battle crows or something. Idk, why have swords if you have all the powers in the world at your disposal. But thats just my opinon.
>>25159829Because it's not interesting, I think. And I'm speaking from the lens of commercial writing, mind you. If you're a literary author and have the skill and will to create this and no attachment to the financial gain, yeah sure let's go ahead. But I want my stuff to be popular so it has to have some degree of familiarity to the guy (or girl) who lays on his bed at night after a tiring day and spreads open a book to do some light reading. I imagine if I go on and have the wizards fight with esoteric quantum physics pulled out of the String Theory, the reader at one point will start to skin pages. Basically, I want to answer, why isn't Victorian fantasy popular?
>>25159840The raven example was, of course, a mere prompt. Add something to just swords. Doesnt have to be overcomplicated, thats not what I am getting at, just somewhat original and worthy of the word fantasy.
>>25159883So were the wizards. Maybe we need balance. Not too out there as to clash with the base setting, but not too simple as to not be fantasy. Maybe that's why swords and knights so so well with magic, because it's a perfect time for the esoteric and mystical, while victorian doesn't go well because it's a time where people were already reaching for the Enlightenment of science and technology.
>discuss Bakker>instant seething>discuss Red Rising>instant seething>discuss GRRM>instant seething plus redirects to >>>/grrm/ or /tv/You guys are getting more and more unhinged
>>25159931anything but bakker is okay, really
>>25159931>ugh people are being mean to my favorite popular authors AGAIN!>>>/lit/grrm
>>25159966Dead general ever since everything has been discussed to death.
>>25160055It was so funny like a week or two ago, someone was posting "Yeah these threads are dead because there is no theory that hasn't already been proposed anymore, discussion is over until George dies or miraculously publishes Winds" and some guy tried to challenge it by proposing his own asoiaf theory and he instantly got replied to with an hour-long video describing his made up on the spot theory
are the earthsea books really that good, or only revered because new = bad, old good?
>>25160064lolyeah, you could make up theories from randomly chosen syllables by now and they'd be explored already
>>25160077>>25160064https://perchance.org/12i9qik15r
>>25159931because these are all normie now (besides bakker) everyone knows them and have discussed them to death. These threads should be for more obscure or unique book discussion/recommendations
>>25160081someone HAS to have proposed this somewhere
>>25160069Fuck off bakker shitter.
>"No Bakker">Bakker is mentioned 27 timesThis general was a mistake. I will leave 4chan and never return.
>>25160128the very fact the general has been split because of a single trigger word should've told you everything about the state of affairs
>>25160128Same, there's too much false flagging here. I will return to the other general.
>>25160135Please don't. We do not want you there.
>>25160055>ugh the general is dead because normalfags only discuss their favorite two or three authors ad nauseumSounds like the problem lies within anti-intellectual normalfags and their pitifully small range of read books.
>>25160159i am talking about the asoif generalfrom time to time, i encounter astonishingly well-read anons in these threads. but even they agree most fantasy simply isnt worth it in comparison to a few greats ...
>>25160135Yes, please go.
>barely any series getting more than 2 votes>half of the votes concentrated on two seriesgrim
Bakker accepts your surrender.
>>25160194This is what you get for being a retard. You're only fueling their cause. You're one of the reasons why the general has become unreadable. I even suspect you're a false flagging bakkerfag.
>>25160200yeah, go on blaming the messenger>>25160196back to your containment thread
Why are there 2 generals?
>>25160207Because success breeds jealously, that's why.
>>25160169>from time to time, i encounter astonishingly well-read anons in these threads. but even they agreeReading five or six books doesn't make you well read. These threads are full of the dumbest normalfags.
>>25160373More well read than most of the general tbqh
project hail mary was much better than the martian and less reddit.but it feels like a less interesting revelation space.thanks for reading my blog.
>>25159042Chat is this true?
>>25161015Better doesn’t mean much. It’s still Redditor bacon awesomesauce incarnate slop.
I’ve never met a fellow scifi/fa lit enthusiast IRL. Did you?
>>25161919Bro, I don't even recommend books to anyone. That's how dire the situation is.
>>25161919The last time I met anybody with a book was a girl at my local dance scene who had KKC #1 (Kvothe's book). This was 2014 or 2015.
>>25161919>>25161922>>25161928>ask someone you think may have an interest in sff what books they like>sanderson/court of dogshit and blood/etc>turn 360 degreesI've not met one person in real life who has even heard of Gene Wolfe. Even my dad's old boomer friend who is a supposed sci fi reader and THEATER lover has never heard of him. What the fuck is going on
>>25162119I've actually met two people who knew of Wolfe (and one had even read BotNS!), but they were highly educated individuals.
>>25162129The only other person I knew of, within the three departments when I did my graduate degree, that read was a whore who got into typical girlboss Maas stuff. Depressing.
>>25162129were they autistic?
Thoughts about the Chronicles of Amber?
What is the deal with this book? I always see people talking about how the book is a cautionary tale against messianic figures or charismatic leaders. But it's not like Paul is some sort of opportunistic charlatan, he's clearly something more than a man. Are his followers not justified in following him after seeing his powers?
>>25162720The book failed on that message, I think. It wanted to deliver that but the truth is that he Golden Path saves humanity at the end. 'Was it worth it?' We can ask, but the books never asks it.
When writing fantasy do you sometimes get the feeling your story is a simple D&D campaign? If you do, what do you do to change that?
>>25162672Supremely comfy.From a literary standpoint, the first book is the best, but it's hard not to read the entire series once you start. It's all worth a read, even the second cycle. None of it is high literature but it's never bad either. Just well executed, fun fantasy by a competent writer. Has some cool unique ideas and plenty of memorable characters.
>>25162749if you think your writing is too simple/not to your liking than don't write. If you like a simple d&d campaign then do it. to change is to not write in the first place.
>>25157762Abercrombie is much more interesting, personally couldn't get into Sanderson at allHe writes characters very well, think GRRM but if the different focal characters actually gave you a sense that their own perspective was coloring the narration. The personalities emerge pretty vividly.Start with The Blade Itself, you'll figure out quickly if it's the sort of thing you want to read more of.
>>25163843The POV portrayal in ASOIAF is extremely biased, what are you talking about? This is why you have so many Tyrion and Dany diehards for example, because both characters are masters of self-pity and excuses and you don’t really see it until the reread.
>>25162720It's really just a story about a guy who gets roped into doing what must be done until he can't handle the cost of it any more. There is never any ambiguity in the matter. He must fight the Harkonnen or perish, and then he must become the messiah or humanity will perish. The Golden Path is clear.
>>25164033The Golden Path didn't seem to really matter by the end of Chapterhouse. It's not all that different than The Lord Ruler's plan in Mistborn, or the circumstances of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. The Golden Path is basically an extension of the Butlerian Jihad.
Feel the urge to read a space opera but don't want to commit to a series. Any recs for a stand alone?
>>25163166Yet write we must.
so this is the thread mods decided to keep alive? interesting
Bakker
Why did THIS one survive the purge? Mods are fucking retarded
Retarded Janny.Fuck you.
>>25164771>Mods are fucking retardedForgive them, when the pressure gets to them to do something, they do what they think people want, like a Bakkerless general, not what is right: Letting it sort itself out because its not going to change randomly
>Deletes the actual thread>Keeps the fake thread upNow I know why you're unpaid.
Daily reminder.
>>25164781Daily reminder that you samefagged a strawpoll; how could we ever forget?
>>25164787Debunked.
>>25164775I agree, a general without Bakker is cringe.
most lesbians are actually bisexual, but in fiction, if someone were to write a romance where a lesbian falls in love with a man, they would be destroyed.
grade a retardation going on right now
>>25164820Incase did it.
>>25157584This OP is cringe as fuck and you're a massive cuck in real life.
>mfw jannies just searched for "sff" and stopped thereyou truly deserve to be unpaid virgins
Welp, the other General has been deleted. Someone asked about our previous, current and future reads so:>>25164541Titus Groan.Gormenghast, although I finished the aforementioned book just yesterday and I'm going slowly through this second volume. Maybe I should take a break from the series.Titus Solo, anyway.
Which incel made this general?
>>25164837I bet the OPs got a ban too.
>>25164845nah.
>>25157778Turns out people do like the crazy prolific author who makes tens of millions on every kickstarter he does.
>>25164847You think?
>>25164850He was very lucky. He wrote at a time when the genre was absolutely stale though.
>>25157778I used to dislike Sanderson. I thought he was cringe. He still is cringe, but I just ignore it. Everything else is pretty good. I'm glad I braved the cringe.
>>25164389The Stars My Destination by Alfred BesterThe Palace of Eternity by Bob ShawThe Mote in God's Eye by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle Emphyrio by Jack Vance Startide Rising by David Brin (part of a series but can be read as a standalone)Schismatrix by Bruce Sterling A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge (also part of a series but can be read as a standalone)
Wtf, Why was the other general deleted?I want to talk about Bakker.
>>25164860Go ahead. Clearly the janny doesn't care and I already have the schizos IP filtered.
>>25164837>jannies just searched for "sff" and stopped thereI swear to god this is what happened. They kept the knock-off thread.
>>25164859>The Mote in God's Eye by Larry Niven and Jerry PournellePart of a series too. Not surprising though.
Jesus Christ, what an absolute sewer of a thread. Can the jannies not just delete this one?
>>25157584Where are the links? Also why the fuck would you make a general without Bakker. Are you a retarded snowflake or what?
>mfw reading this thread.
>>25164870Anon, last time they made one WITH Bakker it was deleted.
>>25158771Fires of December? I think it'll be interesting, for the world if nothing else, but Hoids narration will fuck with the tone. So just like the rest of the Hoid narration books.
>>25159713That's a man.
I just finished the first draft of my sci-fi book. It is 668 pages long. I'm gonna have to trim it down majorly in the editing process, hopefully without losing too much of what makes it work. Because Lord knows a publisher is not taking a chance on a first time author if the book is that large. I think it's very good, it's just got a lot of fat, and some structural problems that need work. Easier to do now that I'm done, and I know what to foreshadow and what to cut out completely.A lot of work ahead of me, bros.
>>25159171>The opinion of a woman
Why did Cnaiür keep fucking the male skinspy?
>>25164881Post the first page here or something
>>25164881we'll pray for you, brother
>>25159801Swords and armor is cool.
>>25164864>I already have the schizos IP filtered.which one?
>>25164881>It is 668 pages longSlop.
>>25164888The ones I don't like.
>>25160069SDS
>>25164885No, I don't think I will.>>25164886Inshallah, I'll make it. >>25164889A lot of it, yeah. I'll trim it down, though.
>>25164883Who? What? When? I honestly barely remember the Serwe brother skin spy, because he never does anything and doesn't even have a name. When did he fuck him? Also hes obviously gay so even if he did, its not that surprising
>>25160194I voted for Stormlight because it was funny.
>>25164896>>25164883Traps aren't gay.>>25164896Did you read the whole series? Because he does fuck it.
jannies just dont care anymore, do they
>>25162802>Amber is the one real world, casting infinite reflections of itself - shadow worlds, which can be manipulated by those of royal Amberite blood. But the royal family is torn apart by jealousies and suspicion; the disappearance of the patriarch Oberon has intensified the internal conflict by leaving the throne apparently for grabs; and amnesia...Why
>>25164905They're just more retarded in this particular case.
>jannies just dont care anymore, do they
>>25164858This pretty much. The hard magic and unique worlds are what Sanderson does well and they do it for a lot of people. His character writing isn't great, but that's not the point and normies can't tell.
Any books like Dark Souls?
>>25164883The author is LGBT.
And that's a good thing.
>>25164883a hole is a hole is a hole
Feminists would have a field day with Bakkers books. Literally all women are whores, slaves or slave-whores.
>>25164883Didn't he also fuck the earth below his tent? I do remember something of the sort.
>>25164934
>>25157721Cryptonomicon
>>25164944Women are like jews. Call them anything and it's water off a raincoat. Now point them a whore and you'll see how they recoil.
malazan sisters ...
>>25164950Is it even SF? To me it looks historical or a thriller.
>>25164916The Dark Souls novel, my shitposting friend. I was the only one who read it ITT. It was mostly a normal fantasy story.
>>25164957Which one is this? The flashback? If that's the case then he's right. It's were I dropped the series.
>>25164958I don't even know how to describe it, but you probably won't regret reading it if you're in this general. Probably. Maybe.
>>25159931>discussExcept that's not what's happening fag. It's a few autists shitting up threads with spam for the purpose of derailment (the first group, specifically).
>Harry Potter on HBOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIu4sFKGi6EWhat are your opinions on this?Looks absolutely soulless and pointless to me.
>>25164969>almost 1000 pagesWhy can't we have novels that tell all they need to tell in 200 pages, like in the good old times?
>>25164975>Most popular author in the general gets the most amount of posts.I don't see what's unreasonable about this.
>>25164983Nothing, but the thread gets derailed by false flaggers that hate on the guy. It's pretty obvious.
>>25164977https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtnt84CDP-sI'd be way more interested in a Potter Balenciaga cross-series. Not even joking you.
Any luck with recent alternative literature-discussion platforms?
>>25164983>>25164988Gaslighting samefag neck yourself.
>>25164977My thoughts are that Harry looks like a lesbian, that Hermione is ugly, and the black Snape is ridiculous. I might check it out if Eva Green gets cast Bellatrix to see if she'll go topless again. Otherwise, I have no reason to watch this and concern myself with its existence.
kellhus is such a mary sue edgy anime protagonist
>>25164901>Did you read the whole series? Because he does fuck it.If he does it in the sequel series then no I havent read that yet
>>25164991kek this is great, I'd read a smut fanfic off this
>>25164991it's surreal how far ai has come
>>25164977I doubt it makes it that far but seeing James and the boys hang Snape from a tree is going to be funny as fuck
>>25164996Your response?
>>25164994I don't understand what you mean.
Bakkerfag = Prince of VPNs
>>25164969>>25164958>Cryptonomicon is sf because it brings the world to book.John Clute has spoken.
>>25164998yea
>>25165001This is just the beginning. By the end of the decade, not even video experts will be able to tell the difference 100% of the time.
>>25165001In just few years to boot.
>>25165015>what is a five second inspect element edit
Harry Potter and Woll Smoth being the hallmark of LLM progress. What a bread. Outside of Bakkerfag's usual 10 year crusade.
>>25164977Maybe I'm old, but the "magic" is absolutely gone. How can people be excited for a story that's already been told and multiple times? we already know everything that's going to happen. There's no sense of wonder.
>>25165042I accept your defeat.
>>25164977>Rowling will call the haters a tranny or a tranny loverCalling it now.
>>25165047Potterheads live in a constant and willful state of starvation.
>>25165055Just imagine if they did this with Starwars. Transformed the first 3 films into a series. I don't think they would eat this shit up like HP fans do.
>>25165059They watched the sequels, did they not?
>>25165042>inspect elementI just use MS Paint, I'm not an incel nerd.
>>25165042You know you got him when he samefagged twice and buzzworded both times. Bakkerfag really is a complete fucking inbred retarded fool.
Why is the poster above me replying to himself?
so prince of nothing is just thickly veiled lgbt+ propaganda?
When will Sanderson get a TV Series and which one?
Why is there Bakker spergging in my no Bakker thread? MOOOOOOOOOODS!!!!!
>>25164944LMAO
>>25165081He's been in talks for a Mistborn movie for a while.
>my threadThis is what he says about his wife too btw. Nobody tell him
I just finished Wind and Truth and I'm speechless. I honestly cannot think of a single series I've read where the new book was worst than the previous somehow; and yet:Way of Kings >= Words of Radiance >>>>>> Oathbringer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rhythm of War >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wind and Truth.I actually enjoyed the first two books. What happend to him? Did he start enjoying the smell of his own farts?
>>25165094People who only read Stormlight and only read them after most were released will use the editor excuse.
>>25165094Joke's on you for not dropping the Series after Oathbringer. I'll admit I gave Rhythm of War a chance, but couldn't finish it. His characters are badly written and they have zero agency. He doesn't write organically and has an obsession with his Outlines even if they clash directly with a character's personality or arc.
>>25165094I haven't been able to make myself start WaT yet since I finished RoW a year or two ago because I hated it so much. Barely even recognize series compared to the first two books nowadays, him deciding to make Stormlight be a big convergence of his cosmere shit annoys me to no end.
>>25165094Mental illness stopped being a theme and jumped front and center into the story. >>25165096 people will say it's not the editor, but who else would have been keeping him in check? I liked RoW more than most, more than Oathbringer, but WaT jumped off a cliff. I'm invested in his universe at this point so we'll see if he can right himself in Mistborn era 3 before he comes back to Stormlight.
>Kellhus knelt before her, his heavenly face blotting out the sun. Once again she could see his halo, the shimmering gold that marked him apart from all other men. He’ll save us! Don’t worry, my sweet, I know He will!holy mary sue cringe
>>25165120I had never heard of Bakker before entering /sffg/ a couple weeks ago and it just seems like christ cuck fanfiction.
>>25164781I will try to read all the top contenders there. Which ones that only got 2 votes are worth it though?
>>25165081>>25165086do you guys live under a rock or something. He reached a deal with Apple TV and is writing a Mistborn screenplay as we speak.
>>25165094There's no way you thought Way of Kings was better than Words of Radiance.
>>25165112I'm of the same opinion, anon. I liked Rhythm of War way more than Oathbringer, and Wind and Truth was a giant turd for me. I think he'll get back on track after the reception to Wind and Truth. Honestly that, along with the TV deals, is probably why he's taking such a long time between 5 and 6. He knows he cannot follow WaT up with another stinker.
>>25165112>keeping him in checklol'dexactly my point
>>25165167>>25165112>2 thousand year old genius scientist lets a dumb bimbo milf hostage run a coup I'm not saying that Oathbringer was any good, but between that and Kaladin's and Shallan's constant bitch and moaning about their daddy issues, you guys are absolutely irredeemable if you had anything good to say about RoW.
>>25165175Kek, I didn't even remember that. It was fucking atrocious, you're absolutely right. It's like some other anon said above. None of those characters have any agency in the great scheme of things. They are just being pulled and pushed in the middle of the Whirlwind. It also has some of the worst politics I've ever seen in a series.
>>25165175It's a 1200 page book, there are going to be good things to say about it. I disliked therapist Kaladin in this one just as much as I did in Wind and Truth, but at least we got to see him do fantasy Die Hard.Shallan just sucks unfortunately. Like not even in that I hate her, or she's annoying, but Sanderson clearly didn't know what to do with her. He started out not knowing, found something in Words of Radiance, and then absolutely fucking lost it from Rhythm of War. Like how many secrets does this crazy bitch have? That doesn't have to be her arc every book, Brandon. I enjoyed enough about the rest that it made up for the dogshit.
>>25165191Do you think anyone here doesn't already know this? you don't read Sanderson for the prestige. He's McDonalds.
>>25165195Maybe we are very different. Not necessarily in our tastes, mind you. But I absolutely do not forgive any author (especially in fantasy) that ruins my suspension of disbelief.
>>25165197In reading, there is no time even for McDonalds. Sadly.
>>25165197>Do you think anyone here doesn't already know this?clearly all the people ITTs who believe sando was some amazing author up until WaT.
>>25165144Conan
>>25165175Raboniel didn't give a shit, she just wanted to find a way to free herself and her doughter of Odium and the endless wars.
>>25165195Part of the issue with that is that her getting over her shit is directly tied to her abilities. That would cause a lot of other issues if Shallan was running around with her plate golem thing so early.
>>25165287Raboniel was a poorly written character, that is all.
>>25165255I too liked Sanderson... When I was 16. Only after discovering other authors (which honestly do not need to be named, you all know of whom I speak) by the time I was mature enough to read through their (non YA) prose did I understand how brain dead and commercial Sando was.See, most who glaze him here are stuck into the greatest sunken cost fallacy in the history of the genre. Just imagine having bought all the Cosmere slop, finance the guy's Kickstarter Projects and then trying to justify to thelselveds that it was garbage all along.
>>25165324Based Wolfechad.
>>25165310Most characters are bad. They look like they are from a Shounen Jump anime. You can find an archetype for all of them, absolutely zero depth.
>>25165334His characters are cardboard cutouts who only exist as devices to move the plot around. He defines them within tight boxes that they do not move or change from whatsoever once he actually begins writing.
>>25165166They were the same. WoR just had a better climax due to the build up.
>>25164867only partially, the book never needed a sequel and it's completely stand-alone, niven wrote the sequel like 20 years later because he wanted to explore some more ideas before he died.many such cases! (no seriously, it's happened with Foundation, Rama, Gateway, Ringworld etc)
>mfw reach Tom Bombadil's forestKek what the fuck os this shit?
How does Kellhus know that Moengus is Cishaurim?I'm almost done with the Warrior Prophet and he just drops this information. Although I do not believe this was ever revealed to him.
>>25165431Through the dreams? I guess it's pretty obvious by then and him being in Shimeh.
>>25165431his cock told him, it vibrates when a gay cishaurim is around
>>25165435Thanks!
>>25165431I don't remember exactly the train of thought that leads him there, but both him and Cnaiur's entire logic for taking over the holy war, is imagining that somebody like Moenghus whos lived among da base hoomans for so long must have amassed so much power that it could only be challenged by the power of a war.So Kellhus likely just assumes that Moenghus takes whatever he can for himself and infiltrated the Cishaurim as another token of power
Well since the other thread is too busy talking about Bakker:Could you guys recommend some more small scale books, kinda like A Knight Of The Seven Kingdoms?
>>25165510>small scaleEver heard of sword and sorcery fiction?
>>25165518Is this the worst cover in the history of covers?
>>25165510>A Knight Of The Seven KingdomsFafhrd and The Gray MouserTarma & Kethry/Vows and Honor>>25165518Bane?
>>25165523You wish
>>25165526The comic sans is the worst part desu
>>25165518>>25165526kek are you photoshopping these with weg screenshots
>>25165357Way of Kings was just a thousand word prologue
>>25163874>because both characters are masters of self-pity and excuses and you don’t really see it until the reread.The amount of people who buy Tyrion's delusional understanding of his relationship with Shae is unreal. Like literally zero critical thought put into what they're reading.
>>25165551Surely no one thinks that Shae loved Tyrion, right?
>>25165563That's mostly a show watcher thing because they frame it that way unlike the books where its prettt obvious she's using him for the money
>>25164957He prefers action-adventure stuff though, so I don't really care about his opinions on books that are actually good.
>>25164977reusing all the same costume and set designs probably sounded interesting in the pitch meeting but oh my god was it the wrong moveit looks like one of those ripoffs The Asylum used to do
>>25164991>you'll soon discovers that trends are a illusion, and aesthetic is a merciless judgeFucking hell kek
>>25164977I asked for this.
>>25165430You better pay attention.
>>25165586Omg my daughter sister wife Maelle!
>>25165598Dude I'm debating if Frodo isn't dreaming this shit lmao dude got a hard-on for Tom's wife
>>25165059Not sure if you're making a joke or not but the only Star Wars hasn't done that is that they're actually even more creatively bankruptimagine if every stray "wizards magic their poop away" type of thought wasn't posted to Twitter but actually spun up a series or even an entire movie dedicated to it. that's Star Wars these days. the mark of a "hip" Star Wars fan is that they believe the children's cartoon series that covers the prequels is the greatest work of all time
>>25165602I'd love some of the drugs Jr Tolkien was on when he came up with Lords of the Ring
>>25165528Somehow, it's really not.
>>25157964Burroughs is based as hell. His Venus series is one of my favorites.
>>25164977WB will continuing laundering money to jews and destroying any white created IP until its bankruptcy (likely in 2027, 2028 at the latest).When you take this perspective, everything they've done for the last two decades makes sense.
>>25158138I like your bookshelf. You have good taste. Faggot.
>>25165605i find it really funny that modern star wars hate the jedi, there's a constant thought among modern star wars fans to have "stories without jedi or the force" and it's like that's just generic space opera nigga, the force and the jedi is what makes them different.also they all hate Luke for some reason
>>25165523some literal who litrpg slop dropped this on Reddit and was genuinely surprised people thought it was about gay sexinstead of rolling with the punches and taking advantage of the sudden interest he got really defensive and changed it like a bitch
>>25160069Do people really think the Gormenghast books are hard to get into? They are kinda weird, but there's nothing about them that's particularly challenging.
>>25165618Modern star wars fans are the most soi section of redditfags. If you stayed with the franchise after TLJ, you genuinely have no taste or self respect.
>>25165619Kek this is perfect he's even holding a staff
>>25160069
>>25165618"what if we had <setting> but without <the things that make the setting interesting and unique>" feels like a relatively new (<10 years?) retardation among fan groupsand creators seem to be listening which is really fucked up. having a strong, cohesive vision for a fictional setting is increasingly becoming a rarity in favor of broad, "it can be all things to all people" IPs. sucks.
>>25165625And a gun
>>25165619>a different kind of litrpgyeah, a gay one lmao
>>25165619The new cover art looks like low quality AI. What a loser.
>>25165648Aw what he lost his gun
>>25165518
>>25165648Two bros, chillin' in the dungeon five feet apart cuz they're not gay
>>25165619Does the label of his fucking pants say ONIONS lmfao
>>25165792S.oy stupid ass filter
>>25157762the first law series devolves into girlboss wank after the original trilogy sadly. the original trilogy itself is good though.
>>25159801better yet look at sci-fi. in the grim darkness of the far future there are only dudes in sick ass armor fighting each other with swords
>>25159808everyone eventually reaches the same conclusion, warfare has been immensely gay ever since it stopped being about aristocratic champions calling each other out for 1v1s and talking mad shit while fightingn aka since the times of the Illiad
I'm almost done with Demon in White and I'm starting to better understand how people complain about Ruocchio just straight up stealing stuff (I've never read BOTNS so the waiting room scene was lost to me). You're telling me this nigga died and experienced cosmic and religious visions for 3 days, everyone else said he was gone for 40, and he's got superpowers now? Don't get me wrong, I'm still enjoying the books immensely. The complaints are just more understandable.
>>25160128>mention the buzzword in the op>expect the buzzword not to show upthe only way to avoid the schizos is to filter them and not engage. you can't eliminate obsessive ritualposting entirely but you can reduce it by not giving it attention. that is the price we pay for anonymity.
>>25161015what drove you to compare these two of all the books you could've picked
>>25165814Because it's fucking cool, next question
>>25164883>why does the character whose only personality trait is being a repressed faggot act like a repressed faggot
>>25164957>reaper's galeHe could have at least choose toll the hounds.
>>25165102People who draw the line at Oathbringer most likely didn't really enjoy first two books either, because OB was perfectly in line with first two. It is a good book, free from meta shit that tainted RoW and WaT. It is RoW where Sanderson completely switched the gears.WaT on other hand completely killed off my interest for the rest of SA and Cosmere overall.
>>25165836cant believe there are people who think cnaiur is complex, but then again its bakker fans so whatever
>>25166028not complex, but well-characterized.he has exactly two dimensions: ooga booga barbarian and teenager traumatized by mindrape
>>25166135>but well-characterized.what does that mean exactly and why is that good?you put it rightly he has exactly two dimensions, that are constantly flipped through so sporadically and arbitrarily that not enough time is really ever given to either dimension to be explored for something deeper unless you project something thats not there and pretend hes a deconstruction of morality and see what you want to see, imbuing a different other arbitrary dimension that isnt actually a dimension, just a reframing of why the two dimensions are barely explored.
>>25166182RAFO
>>25166135This is disingenuous. There's way more to that character than that. Why would someone like that save Proyas from certain death in the desert?
I just finished The Twins Trilogy in Dragonlance. I'm proceeding well in my project of reading all the Dragonlance books that i went through when i was younger and after that i'm gonna continue where i left the series: Somewhere around Dhaemon saga. Before this trilogy i read Eaters of the Dead and the first Witcher book. If i asked you 3 fantasy books as a suggestion that are-easy to read-fun-contain good dialog and storytellingWhat would you suggest? I'm kinda hoping on learning something in the process hand not just having a fun. Like stuff i can reread and pay attention to all the various aspects that make everything in the book just so good. David Gemmell's The King Beyond the Gate and Legend were the last stories that really impressed me on that department.Sidenote. Damn, it was funny reading about Raistlins antics. Dude is the original sigma who is solely focused on the grind, women just get in the way. :D
>>25165619Dude made the gay Morning Glory and he thought it wouldn't looks gay?
>>25166257I have fond memories of the first three. I read them like twenty years ago.
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