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Gut pagespammer alive
Yeah, I hate it when people read and discuss science fiction and fantasy in the science fiction and fantasy thread. I wish them physical harm too.
So what should we do, as a community, about the Frieren tranny?
>>25456732I am outside your house.
I have not visited this thread in a couple of years, why is there a separate GRRM thread nowadays? Did the grimdark retards get to obnoxious and was kicked out or what?
>>25456742Come in, the door's open!
Fuck yevFuck baynefagFuck goodreadsgroupfagsFuck youreviewsareshitfagFuck antiyoureviewsareshitfagFuck pagespammerFuck bakkerfag
Got In Yana by Michael Shea. Looks pretty good. Interesting that this guy wrote at least two other Dying Earth settings, including a sequel to Vance’s series.
>>25456736Nothing? Frieren is very great.
>>25456783You're going to have to include yourself if you keep posting this.
The writing general told me I’m stupid for writing fantasy. They called it genreslop. Should I KMS?
>>25456906No, you shouldn't be so emotionally affected by anonymous strangers.
asking again, what is fantasy and what is the appeal in your opinion, what is the appeal FOR YOU, and why should I, as someone who has read sci-fi, read fantasy
>>25456906>the writing general doesn't like genreslopSince when? What do they even write about, then? Slice-of-life garbage?
>>25456911>why should I, as someone who has read sci-fi, read fantasyWhat you should do is make your decisions and not hand off the responsibility to others.
>>25456916Stop spamming garbage.That question is clearly not meant literally but is a rhetorical device for saying>What are the merits of fantasy?
>>25456911Entertainment and escapism.
>>25456911Why should we care about your reading preferences and changing your mind?
>>25456920These are not merits. Tell me what lofty aspirations drive you to spend your time, effort, and money.
>>25456920lame post>>25456922fuck off and kys, garbage-spammer
>>25456925I thought you were busy getting AI to do interlinears for you? Can't you just, you know, keep doing that in your little corner?
>>25456906They're right.
>>25456911Fantasy is more about the power of the individual, and the wibbly wobbly natural forces of the world dictating how you should act within it. Fantasy also usually takes place in a fallen world. It's big time inspired by europeans living in the ruins of the roman empire and trying to figure out how to restore it or at least learn from it, etc. It's also a lot more emotional and normiecoded than sci-fi, which is more autistic.
>>25456924>>25456924Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it's the wrong answer.
>>25456911First let's hear your opinions on SFExplain in detail what you think AND WHY, and contrast against your opinions of fantasy
>>25457030>inb4: "no, kys, and fuck off"He's always so eloquent.
>>25456732people who read dungeon crawler carl dont deserve to live
>>25456905Every general on the website has at least one newfag who camps the thread and does their best to disrupt and interfere with on-topic discussion. We are unlucky enough to have two or three.
>baynefag seething
>>25456911I've often heard the adage that Science Fiction looks forwards, while fantasy looks backwards. While a truism, I find it lacking. If you had me pin down the core of science fiction vs fantasy, I'd first note that they're not naturally opposed genres, and in fact are often combined. In fact science-fiction was the fantastic, and fantasies often fluttered around new ideas. Yet I must propose, I feel, two cores for the cleaved genres. Science-Fiction I feel is simpler; its the Big Idea. Whether a short story or a novel the driving force is interaction with an idea either concise or murky. The Raft is a dissertation on the gravitational constant, The Foundation has psychohistory, Dune it's precognition. I'm sure you have your favorite examples in mind, but I felt the need to give a sampling.If Science-Fiction is the Big Idea, which is very easy to grasp and summarize, then that leaves us with the problem of Fantasy. I feel every debate on this knows the appeal and rigors of Science-Fiction, it's fantasy that we get sticky. For many there does need to be some element of magic, lest they become historical fiction. Does the supernatural then become the hallmark of fantasy? If so then I feel that's a poor foundation for a genre. Magic is interesting, but most of the seminal works don't have it feature often. Lord of the Rings has magic as a narrative tool more than a driving force. What then is fantasy?I argue that fantasy's core is The Narrative or The Hero. You read Conan the Barbarian for the narrative of a powerful roguish man succeeding through brawn and cunning. Lord of the RIngs is a powerful cultural narrative in the form of a trilogy. David Gemmell bound the messy colonial history of Ireland in heroic fantasy. Escapism is a part of it certainly, in that we become fellow travelers. Urban Fantasy itself is a thrumming engine of passion usually, we have characters propelled by the hungers o vampirism or the wild abandons of lycanthropy more often than not. But fantasy at it's core is this narrative drive for our protagonist.With these two standards set I think its obvious how there can be interplay. There are some hard science- fiction novels that have no interest in characterization or even a plot in favor of expounding on a theorem. Mirrored we have the "hard magic" championed by Brandon Sanderson that presents a Big Idea in the form of a magic system for each of his sub-settings. My value from fantasy? I feel that I must say one word, capitalized to show my second naivete peeking through: ADVENTURE. Our Hero uses ritual and plot as vectors to take us through a marvelous itinerary. Robert Louis Stevenson or Dumas are patron saints from an elder age. And you ask for recommendations? Jack Vance is an easy bridge between science-fiction and fantasy. Clark Ashton Smith and Robert E Howard both write bejeweled prose, each a master of the short story. GRRM's Fevre Dream is a sweat-drenched vampire story. All carry us swiftly along.
>>25457030as I said earlier, I haven't read any fantasy>>25457036kys
I like big sword and naked maiden
>>25456719This is such a cute cover.
>>25456500Not sure what you mean. I don't know who any of those characters are. And it feels like character depth to people is too subjective (its not) for me to give an example that somebody would understand. I'm a case by case person. I need to see depth to measure depth, otherwise I can't really say what it is, just what its not.
>>25457083how does that even work, never reading fantasy? how bleak and empty was your childhood? did your parents never read you any fairy tales? did you never read any comics? no roald dahl or harry potter? not to mention all the fantasy-themed cartoons, tv shows and movies you could have watched. how can you live long enough to become an adult and be so ignorant about fantasy?
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>>25457098Heh. o lawd that KotH reboot whhhhhhhhhy
>>25456719The Infinite State - The Decurion Saga #1 - Richard Swan (2026)The Decurion Empire provides free housing, utilities, food, and healthcare to all its citizens. Automated factories manufacture immense quantities of commodities for domestic consumption and international trade. Citizens fly their autocruisers through the air lanes. Hypersled racing is the most popular sport in the galaxy and the team for Leonis, the capital of the Empire, is often the best in the galaxy. There's even a nominal free market.The Decurion Empire is also a totalitarian state. Citizens are stratified as Party Member, Class I, II, and Unproductive. Their rights and subsistence depend entirely on their classification. There are no civil rights. What is politically acceptable regularly changes. Aside from the Unproductives, everyone must be Productive and Reproductive. Men are sent off in vast numbers at a young age to die in the Empire's wars across the galaxy. Women must continually be giving birth. Both are given medals of service. The only allowable form of sex is the missionary position for the purpose of procreation. To do anything else is punishable up to death.Everything belongs to the state. Everything you are is because of Pater Aeternus. There is no god. There is nothing outside of the state. The state is infinite. The Ministries control and dispose of the populace as they see fit. Even senior party members aren't safe. All that can be hoped for is that Political Enforcement doesn't come for you. Purges and coup attempts happen every now and again, so staying alive can be difficult.Life is this society is presented through three viewpoints. Katherine is the wife of the Lamprey Corporation's director. Life has always been good for her. There's little to complain about, or at least there wasn't, not until her life was personally affected. Cyprian is an Inspektor for the Ministry of Justice. Many of his cases are sanctioned homicides that don't go anywhere. Doing his job well took everything from him except his life. Julian is the Hypersled Racer for Leonis. He may be the best racer in the galaxy, but he's a foreigner, a detestable reminder that life exists outside of the Empire. He doesn't realize he signed his life away without even reading the contract.The first half is these three trying to survive daily life in Leonis. Each character explores a different aspect of how the Empire operates. Specifically politics, enforcement, and image management. The second half takes place on a different planet where a new nation is being formed. The story follows its founding, early development, and the Empire's reaction.Everything about this was great. For me it's Swan's best novel yet. I was fully immersed and engaged with the characters and the world. The characters really felt like people who developed over time. The races were a surprisingly enjoyable inclusion. I don't have any significant complaint.Rating: 5/5
>>25457106>Rating: 5/5Your "reviews" are SHILLINGFUCK OFF
>>25457106your """reviews""" are SHITFUCK OFF
>>25457109An exciting new narrative.
Threadly reminder to report and ignore newfag spammers like >>25457111 who purposely make off-topic inflammatory posts in bad faith and has attempted to prevent book discussion for four years running.>>21323327
>>25457059Urban "fantasy" is more horror- and punk-adjacent than it is fantasy adjacent.
>>25457083>t. Can't even read the first sentence of a post, let alone a novel
>25k titles of German sci-fi>1% translated into English
>>25457166>>25k titles of German sci-fiI was shocked to find out Shadowrun has some novels only in general.
>>25457141>Urban "fantasy" is more horror- and punk-adjacent than it is fantasy adjacentNot reallyIf you think about it, it's descended from the likes of Enid Blyton, Kenneth Grahame, and J.M. BarrieVictorians and Edwardians who saw the Industrial Age and urbanisation taking over the woods, rivers, traditions and supersitions they loved, and tried to bring them together harmoniouslyIn modern days the genre is typified by Harry Potter, Dresden Files, Percy Jackson, Sandman, American Gods, and Neverwhere, but even so, not all of these are horror or punk per se
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>>25457182I too weep for the lack of moderation.
>>25457106>female MC (who's rich as all fuck) will fight the fascist Empire and attempt to create a democracyYawn.
>>25457200It's totalitarian. I didn't say and wouldn't say fascist because I don't believe it to be applicable. Her wealth isn't arguably hers in any meaningful sense. She's not trying to fight the empire so much as survive. She literally had never even heard of democracy until later. She's certainly not the driving force of the story.
>>25457210>I didn't say and wouldn't say fascistYou didn't. The synopsis did.
>>25457224Yes, and marketing is often bad and wrong because it's only goal to attract attention.
>>2545716620k of those are Perry Rhodan slop, btw.
>>25457106>richard swanwhy does every book this lad writes have a female mc?
>>25457228It caught my eye, that's for sure.
>reading Alfred Bester's Golem100
>>25457233It's an ensemble. There isn't really a main character.
>>25457236Looks intriguing. I've read some Bester but never heard of this one. Would you recommend?
>>25457256No, never. You will lose all respect for Bester after such a book. Stick to his short stories and his 1950s novels.
>>25457224Why are the states in these horrifying dystopias so insanely powerful and so pathetically impotent at the same time? Colonies of hundreds of thousands of people can't even maintain themselves IRL if the powers-that-be don't want them to, but in the future of all-pervasive totalitarian fascism it's apparently realistic enough that a lone woman can pull it off?
>>25457265She doesn't pull off anything alone. The powers-that-be have conflicting interests. That's why I wrote that there are a lot of purges and attempted coups..
>>25457265>Why are the states in these horrifying dystopias so insanely powerful and so pathetically impotent at the same time?What's your opinion on North Korea in regards to this seeming disconnect?
>>25457274Let alone the interests of the rest of the galaxy outside of the empire.
>>25457281they rule the world? I thought that was the jews
>>25457289No, they rule their country powerfully, but are also impotent. On this scale it's the galaxy and not the world that is the relevant comparison. The Empire is only a part of the galaxy and is impotent compared to the combined might of the galaxy. It's only that they don't believe it's worth the effort to all come together and take down the empire.
>>25457299I imagine that if there was an unsettled island right next to north korea, and a bunch of north koreans wanted to go colonize it while throwing off their shackles, that they would definitely not succeed at this.
>>25457301Taiwan exists.
>>25457305I thought she was going to create something "nobody has seen for many years: A democracy" Not that the greatest power in the universe is a democracy that actively wants to protect hers.
>>25457313See >>25457228If you don't want to respond to what I've written that's fine, but don't expect me to go along with something I've already disagreed with.
How is The Magicians? Harry Potter ripoff or something more interesting?
>>25457358It's more Narnia.
I have decided on what I will read next after the 2nd Chronicles of Amber book.
>>25457093this vagueposting is a waste of time
>>25457361Tbh if it's a classic isekai story where the normal dude is The Chosen One(R) I'm probably not interested
>>25457394I don't want to reveal it outright because I feel like ill be made fun of. But I'm just letting it be known so that nobody's surprised when I post about it.
>>25457395It's a Whiny Obnoxius Self-Identified Chosen One Who Annoys Everyone Suffers A Lot And Complains That Chosen Ones Aren't Supposed To Have Lives Like This
>>25457398Ok pagespammer.
>>25456768>grimdarkI'm tired of you fags calling anything that's not kid-friendly fantasy 'grimdark'. Same thing with fags calling things edgy at the drop of a hat. Words are supposed to mean something.
>>25457174>>25454598
>>25457421>Words are supposed to mean something.Sure, but they don't. We're in the grimdark era of semantics. Accept nihilism.
>>25456732Take the hint and fuck off, spamtranny. Take it to reddit.
>>25457423Stop spamming German crap on an English board. >>25457426Nah, we just live in a society of increasingly illiterate retards.
desu, the stuff I've seen get called "grimdark", I believe many people would label older disney movies "grimdark". and other children's media, like animes, are definitely "grimdark". you ever seen NARUTO, bro? gaara's story is so grimdark.
>>25457441Pagespammer can't resist always bringing up Naruto as usual.
>>25457457what's a pagespammer?
>>25457457>thinks pagespammer is the only person that grew up with Naruto.
>>25457441Naruto is a gateway anime of the worst kind. It's a bad series, a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive shipping faggotry and DARKNESS. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the series itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the jutsus, peculiar, colorful clothes, the whole ninja faggotry and everything about the Naruto world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on revenge, and overall preachiness of the series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up.Naruto is basically THE series to attract the most hated anime fanbase known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this show and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Naruto threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here.
>>25457440Kys fag
Shits too long nigger. Where do these fuckers get off making a story that's 2,524 pages long in total? Ain't nobody on earth got enough time to read an alternate history scifi book about South African Apartheid taking over the world that's 1,324 pages longer than the BIBLE.Where the FUCK do these writers get off writing THIS MUCH shit?
>>25457493>2,524 pagesThat's short for a long series. There are those that are 10,000+ pages.
>>25457499Shut up, autist bitch. None of this fucking shit should go over a thousand pages in total.
>>25457493>>25457499>pagecount not wordcountngmi
>>25457493When you're a career writer, it's write or starve to death. Especially one who probably doesn't shift copies like Stephen King or Dean Koontz.
>>25457493Is this a subtle reference to that one Reynolds trilogy about nigs that went to space?
>>25457515No. It's in reference to the one by S.M. Sterling where an alternate earth hyper-apartheid South Africa conquers the earth and the solar system.
>>25457233He wants to get published.>>25457106Lot of 5 stars for conceptslop lately. I'm surprised.
>>25457546>conceptslopque?
>>25457546I do like concepts, especially for movies.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_concept
>>25457549It's a term like proseslop or plotslop. Just means the focus of the work is the core concept rather than the way the story is told, the characters, the prose, etc.
>>25457558You've read and enjoyed the entire collected works of Greg Egan, then? Those are about as good of high concept scifi as you can get.
>>25456768Because ASOIAF is popular enough to sustain a general
ideas > charactershttps://archive.org/details/Asimovs_v09n05_1985-05/page/25/mode/1up
>>25457594Plotting is more important than either. A good story, told at a reasonable pace. Everything else is a bonus.
>>25457587Yeah, pretty much.Here's one related post that summarizes.https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25200011#p25201470
>>25457601it's hard to have a good story without good characters
>>25457594No surprise, the man who wrote some of the least engaging books of all time would argue that part of what makes stories truly engaging is unimportant. It's a testament to how cool his ideas were that anyone cares about the shit he wrote at all. But for sure nobody would read his books if they were published today, since all those ideas are passé as fuck now. Unless you have some truly incredible and novel ideas, definitely do not neglect characters. Even then, don't do so; why would you?
>>25457615I disagree, though good characters help the story. All that is truly required is passable characters that stay internally consistent, they don't have to be interesting or grow or even particularly believable. An example of a recent book I found to be good story and bad characters: There Is No Anti-Memetics Division.
>>25457621I won't be reading it
>>25457601>>25457615>>25457619>>25457621>>25457623>t.
>>25457546Also for surprises, I like using the compare books function. Gives a nice overview. Too bad it's limited to showing 100 books at a time. Though there aren't many where I've read 100+ of the same books as someone else.
>>25457577I see, thanks
>>25457619>No surprise, the man who wrote some of the least engaging books of all time would argue that part of what makes stories truly engaging is unimportantquite>nobody would read his books if they were published today, since all those ideas are passé as fuck nowlaughs in Multivac>>25457594>ideas > charactersI've read nearly every Asimov work and I disagreeas a projection of the future, Asimov's writing is superb and still highly relevant todayas entertainment and an exploration of the individual human condition, it's stilted and almost cardboard
>>25457229The first book is very entertaining, despite being poorly written.
>>25457042As he said, fuck baynefag.
>>25457621Wrong. I think the type of story that can get away with shallow characters has to be one that hides that fact very very strongly.I'm thinking of something like the first two Osten Ard books. They would apply exactly to what you're describing, when you're along for the ride, being introduced to the structure of the world, new events, new revelations, and watching how they affect the characters, you don't actually care how repetitive it is that Miriamele and Simon constantly cry in their heads about how much they miss John Josua despite their being zero weight to their expressed feelings because you know nothing about the relationship, it might aswell be some generic abstract grief stricken parent child relationship. Then theres Morgan, who constantly drinks and cries about how none of the adults believe in him or respect him, despite their constant efforts to get him to stop being an alcoholic and participate in the royal duties that would garner him respect, then theres the fact that hes clearly traumatized by his fathers death but doesn't want to acknowledge that his father matters to him. Morgan is clearly supposed to be that type of ironic mess teenager you'd see in 2000s shows, where they are the exact cause of their own problems, but they act like they deserve better or are owed something because they're sad and emotional.From a zoomed out perspective, these arent bad foundations for a character. I don't think grief is as interesting as normretards think it is, but rather how it makes you interpret the world. Simon and Miriamele especially are protective and expectant of Morgan because they dont want what happened to their son to happen to their grandson. The problem is...John Josua is still too vague and generic for the perspective to actually mean anything. You could replace John Josua with any random dead kid, and a grief stricken parent would probably treat another child they care about very protectively. Now if we actually understood anything about John Josua's personality, or what caused his death, and the concerns that reflects on Morgan, it would be more interesting. The thing is. There are 4 books in the series. All about 1000 pages mass market paperback and 600 standard paperback.By the 2nd book, nothing about John Josua as a person, as a human being is revealed. What is revealed, is his importance to the plot. That he was dangerously close to some shenanigans with the sithi mirror, and that he possibly found some secret under the castle. So the main POV characters remain insanely stagnant and shallow, even if they had interesting premises from the first book. And the cracks start to form.When you spend pages upon pages with your characters virtually in the same place, or doing nothing at all. Character's actually need to be deep so that they don't remain stagnant. If you're going to focus so strongly on the plot, it doesn't actually matter to waste so much time pretending your characters have depth.
>>25457659>heYou already "replied" to this once.
>baynefag hallucinating again
Barked loud that third time. :)
pagespammer really killed the thread with his character limit wall of text
>>25457793bakkerfag gets away with it because there are no mods
>>25457793This general is pretty dead during burger hours. Strange? I think not!
a lot of these old time pulp illustrations got some seriously sexy women especially 1920's wtf
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>>25456719I've literally only read Phillip K Dick who should I read next?
>>25457816Biased prompt = bad proompting.
>>25453903Are those any good? The ones still being published, I mean.
>>25457822
>>25457846chatgpt is so smart...
>>25457846You still put the idea in its head. Come on anon, learn to proompt. It will be your job soon.
>>25457816>>25457846Pagespamming hands typed this.
>>25457860isn't pagespammer notorious for relying on ai too...suspicious
>>2545784610 years of consistent antagonistic behavior does suggest a craving for attention, or to be noticed.
>>25457821There's probably more Philip K Dick you could read
>“Damnation!” Fumbling furiously for his ring, Covenant shouted, “Do it yourself!” He wrenched the band from his finger and tried to throw it at Mhoram. But he was shaking madly; his fingers slipped. The ring dropped to the stone, rolled away. “By the Seven! You fear power more than weakness.” Yes! Covenant moaned at the pain in his wrist and head. Yes! I want to survive! Does the protagonist in this series (Lord Foul's Bane) stop being an indecisive bitch in the sequels? I'm interested in the world despite the basic dark lord plot but this flip-flop nonsense is eroding my desire to continue after I finish this book.
>>25457942You're the indecisive bitch.
>>25456719The covers of these old pulp sci-fi magazines were SO fucking kino.
>>25457942Yes, his character growth is almost entirely centered around him being an indecisive bitch and the toll that takes on those around him. I'd put it as one of the core themes to the first two trilogies, in different ways.Second trilogy mogs the first imo, but they're all good books.
Any fantasy that isn't like Lord of the Rings or similar. Supernatural dark fantasy or something along those lines. Something set in our world or some place similar, but different. Worlds that are surreal. Like Edward Scissorhands but more gothic, no suburbs.
>>25458110Clive Barker
Just read the first story.Wolfe is so good at filling in the details of the situation one bit at a time just through characters talking mainly about something else.
>>25458126Jeen Woof lmao
>>25458083Already I'll forge on. Just finished the 6th chapter of the second book with the little confrontation with his rape-baby and I'm liking it
Chronicles of Amber book 2 is going kind of slow for me. I'm starting to notice a trend for me, where I tend to dislike the 2nd book of any series the most by far, and I don't even dislike this one yet. Maybe Terra Ignota was an exception but I honestly can't remember. I know I hated Warrior Prophet, and we don't need to renege on Sun Eater book 2...and my last rant here was largely centered on how a book 2 wasted time with characterization established in the book 1.
>>25458158There are better books out there, pagefriend. Why do you insist on reading mediocrity and trash?
>>25458171If did not do so, then he would not be himself.
>>25458171I thought amber, especially the first 5 was one of the greats…
>>25458183this...
>>25457224This is about Trump and abortion isn't it
>>25457803Even weirder because from mid-'30s they were drawn by Margaret Brundage.
What the fuck is this thread? Is there any corner of the internet not infested with the spiteful, vindictive, and mentally ill?
>>25458232Not anymore. :x
>>25457493Fuck off back to tiktok then. Not everything has to pander to you
>>25458235Shut up, zoombitch. You were born with an iPad in your hands, I wasn't. I'm fucking 35. I played in the fucking dirt outside as a child.I'm nothing like (You)
Is Chronicles of Amber really that mediocre? What happened for such an acclaimed author to put out something mediocre in his first true series? I kind of don't believe any of you that say it's not good
>>25458282It's not bad but it isn't his best either. It's just... okay. It's a shame because I love the premise.
Which Dune books are worth reading?
>>25458221No.
>>25456719>(Look here before asking for vague recommendations)Browsed here for a minute but I'm just gonna ask anyway because I'm maybe looking for something specific...I pretty much only read litfic. I love beautiful descriptions, pretty prose, and introspective stuff. What might be a good entry level sci-fi for somebody like me? I'm pretty sure I don't really want "fantasy", but when I think of fantasy I just think of like LoTR and Sword of Shannara and shit (I read those when I was a kid), I probably have an ignorant idea of what fantasy is, but I could see myself getting really into sci-fi. I like computers and tech, I also love trippy/psychedelic stuff. Weird/experimental is a huge plus.
>>25458341What kind of sci-fi do you want? Military sci-fi? Horror? A survival adventure? Something with intrigue?
>>25458341This is one of the first sci-fi books I ever read. It might just be nostalgia but I really like it.
>>25458335Dune 1, maybe 2That's it
>>25458349Sorry, the whole genre is a big blind spot for me so I didn't think to include that haha.>Something with intriguesounds a lot better to me than the other options you listed. At this point in my life I don't care too much for action/adventure type stuff... I like the idea of a really immersive world. I could see myself getting into something where there's some sort of mystery to be solved about the world itself. I don't think this really counts as sci-fi but I read "Never Let Me Go" by Ishiguro last year, and I did like the general air of mystery as the characters and I slowly pieced together what their reality was. I could also see myself liking something where the characters live in a sci-fi world but the plot perhaps doesn't actually have much to do with the world, if that makes sense? Like sci-fi elements being described as passing details rather than something that's specifically supposed to wow me on the merit of just being something that doesn't exist in the real world.Whatever you rec doesn't necessarily have to fit those requirements, I just kinda tossed a few ideas out there of what might seem interesting to me. I'm open-minded because I'm going in pretty blind, willing to try anything.>>25458355Hell yeah ty anon, added to my ebay cart.
Book of the New Sun filtered me.
>>25458367If you want something more thoughtful you might try Ender's Game. It's about a boy in the future being sent to a military school. There's almost no action, it's more about the psychologies of the characters. Also be careful to avoid spoilers, the book has a big twist at the end.
>>25458371The trick is to start at the first book and not the third, which is what I accidentally did. I was thinking "Man, this really is confusing."
>>25458375>It's about a boy in the future being sent to a military schoolNTA but I missed out on the first few years of Harry Potter because some dickhead told me "It's about a boy who goes to wizard school" and that was itWhat a way to describe Prisoner Of Azkaban
>>25458335Currently reading God Emperor and it is easily my favorite. I found Children to be a slog though so I would recommend taking breaks.
>>25458385It's hard to talk about Ender's Game without spoiling the plot.
>>25458375great tysm, added to the cart.I figure at some point I have to try a Phillip K. Dick book so I think I'll throw Ubik in the cart as well.>>25458385lmao yeah, military school doesn't sound too interesting to me but "it's more about the psychologies of the characters" sounds up my alley. I'm diving into the unknown trying any sci-fi so I can't let a synopsis dissuade me
>>25458401>military school doesn't sound too interesting to me but "it's more about the psychologies of the characters" sounds up my alleyIt follows the lives of a couple of child prodigy preteens conscripted to space battle school after humanity just barely survived an alien invasion, is on the ropes, and is struggling to muster every available brain cell to find a way to surviveA lot more psychological and tactical than action-oriented. Think the Polgar sisters in the middle bit of Starship Troopers, the part with all the talking and Mr Rasczak's History And Moral Philosophy and none of the shooting.Predicted internet and 4chan in a surprising way that i won't spoil.>>25458390There
>>25458367Dune 1 strikes me as more your cup of tea. You would enjoy the prose i think, which deliberately recalls Shakespeare to lend it a scriptural feel, and there are poems and epigrams scattered throughout the book. A lot of readers expecting Star Wars and finding a touch of Hamlet got filtered by it.>I’ve never left your service. You’re the one left me … to think you dead. And I, being cast adrift, made what shrift I could, waiting for the moment I might sell my life for what it’s worth...
Enders Game is fucking trash and the ending twist is gay as FUCK.
>>25458421Your minority opinion has been overruled.
>>25458423I'm whiter than (You)
>>25457038Great book. I've read it twice.
>>25457224Dropped.
>>25458423It's nice not to be part of the hivemind.
>>25458222Look at how her toes are curling. Bitch is enjoying this.
>>25457224But rise. Pater Aeternus. DID.
>>25458335none of them
>>25458610Dude's got a name like a Belgian ale.
I long for the day a female writer doesn't disappoint me
Any modernish fantasy and/or scifi based around civilisations? Read james islington recently and didn't mind that s interested in something similar. Heard mixed things about A Memory Called Empire? I would try it at my library but for some reason they only have the 2nd book.
>>25458421I think Bonzo really just wanted to fuck ender.
>>25458545One of the primary clues to autism is not looking at the eyes, let alone recognizing the emotion in them.
>>25458633Who are you performing for?
>>25458756your mother's whore ass
>>25458766Wasted effort then.
Judging a book by its cover is the same as judging a video by its thumbnail.
>>25458789so entirely appropriate?
>>25458795>anon sees a hardback book with no cover>has a heart attack
>>25458799I would simply not look at it at all.
I read all the Chanur novels. They were fun.
>>25458625Heh, reminds me of Julius Cesar. Dude's got a name like a salad.
>>25458749Her eyes may be saying "no", but her toes are saying "yes"!
>>25458789It's encouraged?
>>25458749Every nervous person in the world is now autistic WOWEE WOW WOW!
>>25458892Foot fetish
>>25458905Problem?
Cultivation stories would improve tenfold, if characters actually showed respect to each other, instead of calling everyone beneath them trash and ants. How am I supposed to believe this society can even function, when 95% of the characters show disdain for everyone beneath them, and only 5% show real honor.Who are the real villains, when harming those beneath you is commonplace?
>>25458648bumping this anon due to similar interest
>>25458973>Cultivation storiesI really don't know what those are, and at this point I'm afraid to ask.
>>25458980Chinese fantasy. Anon is underage.
>>25458973That's the appeal though.
>>25458989What are they "cultivating"? Do they grow pod people, then? Would be on brand.
>>25458980It's a genre popular in east Asian countries. Basically, it's a world where martial artists are capable of drawing spiritual energy into themselves, in order to enhance their power. Breaking normal human limits. Drawing in the spiritual energy is referred to as "cultivating". Over the course of years, a cultivator will become so powerful, that they are indistinguishable from a god. At which point, they often ascend to the heavens, leaving the mortal realm behind.Cultivation stories are typically about the main character growing in power. That is, if he isn't already all powerful. There is a lot of hierarchical drama in these stories. People who are more powerful tend to make people lower in power subservient to them.In Medieval stories, typically there are some snobby noble characters that makes everyone grovel to him and abuses his power. Now imagine if that was normal expected behavior. That is what society is like in cultivation novels. It's completely normal to make everyone below you grovel like dogs. It's really annoying to read.
>>25458980Look into Daoism/Taoism.
>>25459001Ah, some sort of pictureless manhwas, I see.
>>25459007How do you know the term "manhwa" but no "cultivation"?
>>25459011Dunno. I just do.
>>25459011Not all Korean comics are cultivation-explicit.
>>25459011like knowing the word "orc" but not knowing what LOTR is>>25459017manhua is chinese>>25459007manhuas were the comic version, yes, and they were popularised in China roughly around the same timebasically it is chinese MCU>>25459001>it's a world where martial artists are capable of drawing spiritual energy into themselves, in order to enhance their powerthis is the well-known concept of chi>Over the course of years, a cultivator will become so powerful,the subgenres of wuxia and xianxia is that in xianxia,>they are indistinguishable from a godwhereas wuxia is where you get stuff like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon
>niggas ITT are enjoying shit like picrel
>>25459046no, but now I'm interested
>>25459052Spoiler: he manages to save his sister, which kicks off a new arc about her being secretly in lust with me.
>>25459059>mehim*Well, that's embarrassing.
>>25459044>manhua is chineseYeah? Nobody mentioned manhuas (Chinese). We're talking about manhwas (Korean).
>>25459064To be fair to that anon, I had Chinese cultivation stories in mind when I posted. I didn't expect the anon to bring up Korean manhwas. I actually don't know much about them. I assumed cultivation was more popular in Korean manhwas, but I guess I was wrong.
>>25459064>We're talking about manhwas (Korean)you think you are but you aren't, because>>25459067>I had Chinese cultivation stories in mind when I postedanon said manhwas in the context of Korean cultivation stories>I assumed cultivation was more popular in Korean manhwas, but I guess I was wrong.yes, the genre originated in China, basically as postwar adaptations of classical Chinese kungfu legendsand this is just my personal speculation, probably strongly influenced by the Golden Age of Comics. to Chinese boomers of a certain age and background, Superman is THE Western superhero
>>25459046What's the point of reading this assembly line garbage when manga exists?
>>25459078You tell 'em, anon.
>>25459076>>anon said manhwas in the context of Korean cultivation storiesI get that. But he was replying to me describing Chinese cultivation. It's curious how he read a description of Chinese cultivation, and came to the association of Korean manhwas.
>>>lit/wng/
>>25459087>It's curious how he read a description of Chinese cultivation, and came to the association of Korean manhwasI surmised it was because he had only ever heard of cultivation from Korean manhwasas I said, like knowing the word "orc" - from 40K or Warcraft, perhaps - but never ever having heard of LOTR. tell him about LOTR and he'd be all "oh you mean like in Warcraft"
I’ve seen a few Cdramas now with cultivation. It seems to be dbz esque power levels.
>>25459289Yes, anon... DBZ is an adaptation of Journey to the West.
>>25456719>Banned Authors:>R. A. Lafferty>Gene WolfeHuh? I'm not here very often, did I miss something?
>>25459293They're garbage for tradcath larpers
>>25459293You can still bring the up/talk about them. OP can't do SHIT.
>>25459295I agree that tradcaths are all larpers, but Wolfe and Lafferty are good writers. This seems needlessly contrarian.
>>25459298>This seems needlessly contrarian.
>>25459298I haven't read Lafferty but he sounds like a pretentious catholic bore. Wolfe I've read and can confirm is bad.
To the anon that shilled this to me, and other interested parties:Dr. AdderEnjoyed this book. It was clumsy, amateurish at times, and seemed to revel in being grotesque while never having the guts to take its premises to the logical extremes of grotesquerie. (Could have done so much more with Dr. Adder's clients/victims) Much of the plot was driven by a series of bizarre events happening with no relation or setup. But for all that it was fun and funny throughout. I liked some of the concepts: the interface as the physical/social manifestation of a battle egos, the SPS, the possibly unintentionally funny fact that the high tech CIA superweapon that has to be grafted on to an amputed limb and fries the user's nervous system is apparently just a metal hand that punches people. Some things that were unclear to me: What was the point of the Phoenix Egg Ranch / Brothel? The whole first chapter could have been cut. Why did Limmit agree to work for Dr. Adder, and why was he so immediately loyal? What was the point of The Visitor beyond forcing Limmit into the sewers?
>>25459309Come on lad, you might personally dislike Wolfe's writing, but how could he possibly be described as just 'bad'?
>>25459311His writing insists upon itself.
>>25459289Yes because DBZ-tier cultivation has taken over the (slightly) more restrained forms of the 20th century. For examples of the latter watch old kungfu movies.
>>25459321
>>25459311nta >gorillas (black men metaphor) that steal white women for sex slaves and once they go gorilla, there's no going back, and all that be done is to put them out of their misery by killing them >a young exotic girl who can't speak appears before him, there's only thing to do. Make her his sex slave. Women are at their best when they can't talk. If only his bitch ex-wife were the same, and his kids, feh!
>>25459311>but how could he possibly be described as just 'bad'I read Book of the New Sun and it had poorly written characters and an unfocused vague, meandering plot. I'm not impressed by the authors attempts to allusive. I already read Nabokov and Borges.
>>25456719Not a sf&f specific thing, but am I the only one who skips flashback chapters? Finished The Broken Empire and it seems that I missed nothing of importance from skipping every flashback past the first couple in the first book to understand the protagonist's circumstances.
I wish Larry Niven would return to the Ringworld.
>>25459333Ah, so you're one of their weird idiots that is best ignored, got it!>>25459339BotNS is in all things deeply intentional. It might just be a case of it's too hard for you to read, that's okay, everyone has their upper limit.
>>25458232Eglin has to earn its keep
>>25459293Wolfe is brought up in nearly every single thread.
>>25457042>interfere with on-topic discussionMore like the exact opposite. Every now and then some goodhearted fool gets lost and wants some genuine discussion and either gets ignored or some low effort bait response.You deserve every pagespammer retard that's living on this fucking planet.
>>25459333>a young exotic girl who can't speak appears before him, there's only thing to do. Make her his sex slave.What book is this?
>>25459348>It might just be a case of it's too hard for you to readNo it's too easy and I was rolling my eyes at this hack copying Nabokov and Borges
Please refrain from discussing banned authors. Corrective measures will be taken if this continues.
>>25459358No such thing as banned authors here. Schizo rules don't apply.
>>25459358Fuck off Baynefag>>25459371Baynefag is getting to be worse than bakkerfag
>>25459358You won't do SHIT, PUSSY.
>>25459353uh oh bakkerfag melty!
R A Lafferty is a pretty good writer
>>25459386Really Awful Laughter Tea
Stop making these threads. Nobody even discusses anything in them anymore.
>>25459386What's good about him?
>>25459388Newfags love generals. /vg/ is a containment board above all else.
>>25459388You have two choices: leave or accept
>>25459398You have two choices: make me or tongue-bathe my scrotum.
>>25459388wng is much more fun
the same dudes that will say actual discussion is dead will ignore and never engage with actual indepth discussion about characterization and structure >>25457661I don't know why the retards larp. Just got to tiktok, instagram, twitter and facebook to circlejerk under hashtags over your select favourite authors you pretend make you intelligent for reading, I'm sure theres more than enough Gene Wolfe reading groups on facebook and surely enough Gene Wolfe Severian tik tok edits too.
>baynefag seething about gene wolfe now
>>25459443he's right tho
>>25457493The Draka series isn't really one story. It's a couple of standalone stories in the same setting and occasionally featuring recurring characters. These stories were not originally written with the expectation that the reader would be going through all of them in one go.
>>25459388Remain steadfast, keep up with quality on-topic posts, and ceaselessly hold the image of Christ in your mind's eye. Others will follow.
>*ruins sci-fi*
>>25459488Never read a single book in the universe, never will
>>25459488Excellent universe.Great models.Mixed bag vidya (some god-tier, some dogshit)Average game.Bad fanbase.Terrible company.Atrocious books.
>Excellent universe.Yeah if you're an edgy 12 year old listening to Slipknot
>>25459394An actual breastplate instead of nonsensical bikini armor? I must be hallucinating.
>>25459509Maximalist =/= edgy
>>25459496How can the universe be excellent if all the stories set in it are awful? How many bad books have to get published before we can acknowledge 40k really doesn't have much storytelling potential? I remember reading bloodquest and it's basically about space marines going places and shooting things. By the end of it they'd gone to a space hulk, a planet being invaded by orks, the eye of terror, some chaos planet and a planet being invaded by chaos. It's a fine story but where the fuck do you even go from there? Some copy-pasted hive planet? There's nowhere interesting left to go and the stories recycle the same five aliens.
>>25459521grimdark = edgy, or at least it should be...
The fact that "Grimdark" is even a genre separate from dark fantasy or sci-fi horror shows how high on their own supply 40kids are
>>25459527Because it's purely down to the quality of the writers. A good writer can tell a well-written and compelling story in any universe, but the writers they hire are actual fanfiction tier cretins. Barely above Ernest Cline in terms of quality.Pick any universe generally considered quite well put together, like the Conan universe just as an example. If you got some 90 IQ undergraduate to write a story set in that world it doesn't matter how good the underlying universe is the story is going to be dogshit. Likewise the universe of 40k is excellent and has enormous potential, but the writers that GW hires are terrible, so their output is terrible. It's a huge disservice to the setting imo.
>>25459521What's a maximalist 12 year old?
>>25459534Conan is shit tho
>>25459534Comparing Conan to 40k is ridiculous. Conan actually has a map with different countries that have different cultures while 40k has copy pasted planets, copy pasted legions and copy pasted "primarchs" .
>>25459496>some god-tier vidyalmao
>>25459539I like Rogue Trader
>>25459509>Slipknot>1995Now that's some classic rock.
>>25459509Slipknot has some bangers. Quit being a dumb neopuritan prude.
>>25459509You REALLY think modern 12 year olds have ever even heard a Slipknot song in their entire lives? Are you retarded?
Seem to have really kicked the noncenest with this one...
>>25459542>>25459544>>25459547https://youtu.be/fjLVijzJ9SI?si=J2AwJ27bOc71FDGI
>>25459541Of course you do, tranny.
>>25459549Didn't click. Didn't watch.
>>25459509You're projecting because you enjoyed WH40K and Slipknot when (You) were twelve years old. Modern twelve year olds have never even heard of Slipknot.
>You're projecting because you enjoyed WH40K and Slipknot when (You) were twelve years old. Modern twelve year olds have never even heard of Slipknot.
>>25459563>>25459566>MeltyGood, lmao.
Perma all shartyposters
>Bakkerfag non-quoting and spamming wojakskek
>No you don't understand my edgy space marine story is very serious!
>>25459574Nobody said that. You're having a full-blown meltdown ITT
Just end these threads, holy fucking shit.
>One copy of the latest 40k novel please
>>25459358I've tried telling them, but they just won't listen...
>>25459579You don't have to keep coming. Stop hurting yourself.
Basedjaks need be an instant permaban on this website.
>>25459388You're not fooling anyone.>>25459394Yeeeah, I dunno about that one, anon. How does it compare to picrel?
40kfags have no aura
>>25459509Stone Sour was better.
>>25459496I like the fans. Don't really engage with them but from 30,000 feet, they're fine. If you get too close every fanbase is horrible.
>>25459604Ah yes, trade edgy for maximum emo whining.
>>25459670Yes :-)
Returned to a thread that spent 50 posts talking about a videogame universe pagespammer and yev really are like the only ones that actually read enough books to talk about them
>>25459684There are many others who read a lot and write about what they've read. They just aren't posting about it here.
>>25459721Yes and there are a trillion conscious beings out there, they just haven't gotten in contact with us yet.
>>25459684Yev is the original sin of /sffg/. The source of all woe. Reading books means nothing. He is the false prophet and you are his disciple.
>>25459684>praising pagespammer
>>25457821Heinlein
>>25459741Hiney Lime
>>25459721Or get ignored when posting about nonpopular works.
>>25459741>HeinleinI very often feel like the MC from "They". I thought you guys should know.
>>25459740true its me
>>25459747Case in point:>>25459394>>25459598
>>25459749GET HIM
>>25459751These are images of book covers and not book reviews or discussions.
>>25459744Honey chili?
>>25459753A cover is worth a 1000 words.
>>25459754bing chilling
Don't discuss banned authors. It creates mustard gas.
>>25459684I post here about books I read too, it's not just Yev doing it.>>25459802Kill yourself, newfagfag.
>>25459806>I post here about books I read too, it's not just Yev doing it.Whats the last book you posted about?
>>25459814Tower Lord.
>>25459806Indeed, several others have posted much about what they've read.
Some Recent Not-Yev Book Thoughts There's a low limit to the number of posts that can be linked backed to.Farseer Trilogy>>25442701 The Assassin's Tale from The Knight of the ThornsThe Last Unicorn Gormenghast Lightbringer NeuromancerWheel of Time ICE>>25447619 Curse of ChalionThe Tainted CupA Parade of Horribles Exhalation>>25449042 I Who Have Never Known Men >>25453852 Tower Lord The Well of Ascension Fool's Errand>>25455951 The Demon Star The Chronicles of AmberLord Foul's BaneCastle of Days>>25459310 Dr. Adder
>>25459858Those are all me
>>25459864Nope. I'm Not-Yev.
>>25459684The last books I read that weren't webnovelshit were the Resident Evil novels, and I got some good talks going over on /v/. I'd recommend them, as someone who never played RE and doesn't care for zombies.
>>25459802feature not bug
>>25459873feeture is the shortened form of feet furniture.
>>25459866We're all Not-Yev, well, except for me.
>>25459858>I Who Have Never Known Men This was one of the shallowest reviews in the thread, just baiting for validation by shitting on someones review they dont like instead of saying anything about the book
>>25459897He only posted the review on Goodreads.
SCUM. ALL OF YOU. TALK ABOUT SCIENCE FICTION RIGHT FUCKING NOW OR DIE.
Very few both post both here and on Goodreads. It's usually only ever one place.
>>25459927I hate Dune
>>25459961Brainlet
>>25459963I also hate Ender's GameRed Rising is cool tho
>>25459965First one is a sane opinion. Second one is where your post goes straight down the fucking shitter.
>>25459976Red Rising: funEnder's Game: poo
If you read books for fun, then that's no better than doing anything else for entertainment. You've lowered yourself to the level of broadcast TV, flicks, videogames, and Tiktok.
>no you don't understand my sci-fi book about space jesus and sand worms is actually really deep and intellectual!!!!!!
>>25459993How many Space Jesus sci-fi novels are there, besides Dune and the last half of the Hyperion Cantos?
>>25459997Book of the New Sun & The Sun Eater
>>25459997>>25460001Calling it Space Jesus is entirely inaccurate to the contents of the books.
>>25458421Even if the context was a bit silly, you have to admit that Card was ahead of his time with the whole "manufacturing consent via social media" thing.
>>25458083Ok, just finished the second book (r.i.p daughteru incest). How the hell did the author stretch this story out to ten books? I don't see how it can go past the third unless the author pulls an even bigger antagonist than Foul (that would be forced and make me drop it) out of his ass.Things seem quite bleak for the Land as well. Just a single army of canon fodder led by a Raver singlehandedly crushed the Lords' army and put them to route with heavy losses and the Raver is not even truly dead after their sacrifice. I know the tale of the half-hand sets the protagonist up for his own solo last stand against the horde, but 8 more books... 8?
>>25460005True, even Jesus was less of a chosen one Gary Stu than Paul
>>25460006No, John Brunner was.
>>25460005Drinking Aenea's nanomachine-ridden blood was a major plot point -- the only method of removing the cruciform from one's body.
>>25459978No. BOTH poo.
>>25459987Nobody asked.
>dude, my sci-fi epic is so deep, the villains are like, a bunch of ugly fat gay pedophiles called the harkonnen
>>25459993You're really prone to reddit tier reductionism, shartytroon. Might be time to go back.
>>25460028Real life isn't deep.
>>25460006I don't have to admit fuck-all. Suck my dick.
>>25460030>dude, my chosen one narrative is so much more BASED and RED-PILLED than all the others because I dressed it up in a lot of PRETENTIOUS DIGRESSIONS on RELIGION and POLITICS
>>25460040Why are you even here?
>>25460044to dab on those with shit taste and reveal your emperors without clothes
>>25460048>*shits in your mouth, dabs and runs away*
YA is absolute dogshit. The vast majority of SFF written since the 80s has been. /sffg/ is /lit/'s most embarrassing general. Stop reading dogshit like Brandon Sanderson, Orson Scott Card, Pierce Brown, JK Rowling, or Dungeon Crawler Carl whatever its all dogshit. Tolkien and Herbert are 'fine' as entry level writers but you have to discover other writers (that are often times much better) and not just talk about the same basic shit, OKAY!? Get some taste
I rated Dune 2 stats out of 5 on my goodreads account
>>25460056Congrats
>>25460060ty
>>25460052Who are these other writers? How do I become one of the supreme beings that the Count of Monte Cristo referred himself as?
>>25460063We don't have many books in common.
Finally finished book 2. Wasnt able to read as much today because when I tried reading in the morning I was out of focus and not enjoying it. But was able to get into it towards the latter half of the book after a lengthy break.After reading 2 of the 5 books...I think I agree that its not particularly well written, atleast for me. The events just flow in an incredibly odd and arbitrary way that makes it hard to latch onto anything because things sort of just happen. Ganelon just stops hating Corwin and he even says he doesnt know why, and then becomes a loyal lapdog that does whatever Corwin asks. You get zero impression of the guy he was before, or that their former antagonistic relationship was even real, not that it matters to me, because hes given no real motivation anyway for having betrayed Corwin in the first place. Then theres Lorrain who exists for like 10 pages and then dies? When it comes to battles, other than the one with Benedict, Corwin just walks up to whoever he wants to kill and wins because hes better and smarter, parry parry riposte, killing blow. Then theres Gerrard who conveniently believes in and trusts him. Im not even saying this one is particularly bad writing, to some degree you simply have to except certain things are true in a story simply because the story says so. And it is convenient that he could trust Gerrard to calm Benedict down and even come help him with Benedict after knocking him out. But it all feels like a dream, because Gerrard can be trusted...simply because Corwin tells us so. You see what I mean? Nothing really has weight to it in the story, things happens suddenly and eventually, because they have to. I think Benedicts chase and fight is basically the only time where Corwin actually has to deal with a problem that has weight from the story itself not merely his words, and the reason it largely has that weight is because of the black road, and the wagon slowing him down, having to deal with these two problems (even though he solves the former through mere brute force) and the fact that he couldnt use the shadow power to shake of benedict makes the encounter interesting.Then of course theres the awfully convenient fact that he alone happens to know a way to make gunpowder work in amber, and the even more finally convenient fact that Eric just happens to die somehow i explicably, with not even a described encounter, we actually dont even know what or who killed him, unless I sped read too hard (but I was invested towards the end so I dont feel like I speedread to a detrimental pace).Despite all this, aside from the worst parts of the books (Descriptions of Corwin and Ganelon traveling through the shifting landscapes of the shadow with somewhat flowery prose, that all feels like filler so that the book isnt too short) I somehow actually quite like the books and find them fun. Astonishing what something being short does for your tolerance. Also the way information is given is genuinely cool
>>25460072why are there two different 5 stars? what are the ones on the right?
>>25460079Kill yourself spambitch. You are directly responsible for the current shit state of this general. Never post again.
>>25459344If I feel like I have to skim or skip chapters I just drop the book. I'll never understand the compulsion to force your way through something to say you read it when you can't actually bring yourself to do that.
>>25460082Only you would ask something this dumb.
>>25460084>>25460090Small penis energy is radiating from these posts
>>25460094pagespammer tongues my anus
>>25460056>>25460063The nonfiction books you have shelved and what you've rated them explains those ratings a lot. You have a different perspective from most here for sure.
>>25460089I don't regard flashbacks as being equivalent to a present day chapter. It's just filler. If I was skipping present day chaps then you'd be right.
I'm eating a porkchop before I go to bed.
>>25460094Only micropeen-havers post shit like this
>>25460121Seems like a bad idea in terms of digestion.
>>25460110What's wrong with filler though? Clearly the author thought it adds something or they wouldn't have included it. Why are you still reading a book that's boring or doesn't respect your time? Why not read a synopsis instead?
>>25460121I'm not sure I understand. Could you explain this to me in science-fictional terms?
two guys consistently talk about a new book virtually every other week and gets shit on virtually every other day
Saw this at the library and I decided on my next book series to read. I am not done with Chronicles of Amber, I did say I'd read atleast 2 books. So ill continue to use it as a buffer between big annoying books as a break
>>25460063What was your problem with BNW?
>>25460213Yuck, glad i never read Expanse.
>>25460082why didn't he answer this?
>>25460072you actually have a ton in common, you merely disagree on the scores. I'm lucky to have maybe a couple of shared books with people.
>>25460225Why? What's wrong with it?
>>25460246>sci-fi equivalent of ASOIAF
>>25460213it's really not. That was simply the "big thing we'll compare the book to so we get normie attention" kind of thing.
>>25460245There are people in the group that I have well over 100 in common with.
>>25460245tfw
>>25460226It's explained in the post. It's the Goodreads book comparison feature. I've posted and explained about it multiple times. It's my and their ratings compared.
>>25460259i don't know what that means because I dont use goodreads but atleast you tried to explain
>/sffg/ has devolved to listfags from goodreads posturing at one another
>>25460254Oh i see well i think it'll be good loser
>Your tastes are 71% similar for the books you both rated. Here are 99 books you have in commonRead shelf only. It's not uncommon to have a lot in common when a lot of anons are all reading a lot of the same popular books. It becomes more common when both have read a lot of books in general.
>>25460261I do love this response for the narrative.
>>25460245>mfw I somehow ended up with fuckton of female friends on GR and they all give polarizing scoresThere's more between one and five stars.
>>25460276how did that happen
>>25460262It is in the OP. I'm surprised we don't get more talk from the group aside from Yev posting his reviews here and there.
>>25460276I have the opposite problem in that most books get 3/5. It's just an average score and they're average to me.
>>25460279There are a good number posting here anonymously.
>>25460262>can't compare and posture because I'm not in the groupI'M SIX FEET FROM THE EDGEAND I'M THINKINGMAYBE SIX FEET... AIN'T SO FAR DOWN
>>25460300You aren't in because you haven't tried to join.
>>25460207You have said the actual truth
>>25459993>>25460028>>25460040>Reddit is home to thousands of communities, endless conversation, and authentic human connection. Whether you're into breaking news, sports, TV fan theories, or a never-ending stream of the internet's cutest animals, there's a community on Reddit for you.
>>25460207>>25460352They deserve far worse.
Let me just say, I do not remember the prologue chapter of The Expanse in the show. I honestly barely remember the show but I don't remember human being fused with some machinery pleading to be helped.
>>25460288probably. don't want /lit/ losers to know my account.
Reading through The Domination of Draka series currently. Only about seven chapters into the first book, it's alright thus far, nothing else to report.
>>25460068I won't spoon feed you. But here's where you would start, if you were a true SFF fan: Start with the Greeks, the Romans, and then the Western Canon of literature (Bloom's essential list is adequate). Read Asimov's New Guide to Science (1984 Revised Text), and all his nonfiction works are also recommended. Watch the first and only season of Jonny Quest at least 3 times all the way through. OK. Now read everything HG Wells wrote from 1890-1900. Then proceed to read everything published by Michael Moorcock and Harlan Ellison from 1960-1980. You'll know what to read next.
which of these fuckhuge series about a multiverse is bestEternal ChampionChronicles of AmberDark TowerI tried to read Dark Tower but I got bored around the point the Gunslinger gets his finger chopped off and I dropped the stand 3/4th through
>>25460572>Eternal Championthere's like 15 novels in this and they're only somewhat related
>>25460146What's it that you don't understand about my position? I like the book's story and am interested in seeing it to the end, I just don't care about flashbacks. Their absence in my reading did nothing to disturb the reading flow and my enjoyment.
>>25460079About Ganelon. Zelazny added quite a lot of literary references, so you're supposed to know Ganelon is the literary archetype of the traitor and this, in turn, is supposed to make you wary of his behaviour. All that is in the past, so technically you don't even need to know the details of what he did, except that maybe Corwin was not a good guy in the first place. It may or may not work for readers.
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>>25460572cosmere :)
>>25460658There's a specific trilogy too but it didn't stand out imo.
>>25460009Books 1-3 are a complete trilogy. 4-6 are a single coherent story. 7-10 seem to be the same but I only read 7-8 when they first came out, and haven't circled back. I wasn't as impressed as with the first two trilogies.The author doesn't make it feel stretched, at least through book 6. Without spoiling (unless you want it), the second trilogy reframes the whole series to be a lot less of a "subversion of LOTR" than the first trilogy initially appears.
>>25460072you have shit taste
So, any of you fags red Stover? I tried his Caine series, after the Traitor Star Wars EU novel, and it really hit the spot
>>25461443It's Yev. He has the worst taste possible.
