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>>22900281
Empty promises? Don't you believe? Won't you believe?

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>>22900281
no tama OP? another doomed thread.

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what is MLI even gonna be, takeru gets called back for just one more job like hitman absolution lmao

>>22900559
anything but another faggeru game please

>>22900559
The UN scraped Meiya's brain's off the original hive to make another 00 unit and she's the one who summons Takeru next

>>22900635
maybe yuuko finally remembered their sex session from Christmas eve and she really wanted him back

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Is Project Mikhail any good?
It's pretty cheap to begin with and is on sale, so I'm thinking of getting it.

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>non tama thread again

>>22900811
It's dumb and clunky nonsense but there's worse things people have spent money on. If you don't like it, you'll probably understand within the 2 hours return time.

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>>22900615
Chaderu OWNS you btw

>>22900559
It would be a shame if that's what it was. I'm hoping for something that at least ties in stuff that's currently open ended like Yuuya post-Ouka and the master, and also progresses the world a little, even if it has to backpedal and put humanity on the backfoot again. Some of those CGs showed BETA in new york and some kind of thing where people were phased in walls so who knows what it could be. Since they bill it as the "sequel" to Alternative, I imagine the multiverse is made relevant again in some way.

https://vxtwitter.com/muvluvseries/status/1848552409586688387?t=xPvV71v7XKFo2bjGpr3Hsg&s=19

It just won't stop.

>>22901056
desu I hope the reviewtranny at steam gets annoyed and just bans all of Anchor so that they can finally stop chasing the dragon.

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>MUH Lazers
>https://irp.fas.org/threat/missile/naic/part07.htm

>Cruise missiles can fly at low altitudes to stay below enemy radar and, in some cases, hide behind terrain features.
>Newer missiles are incorporating stealth features to make them even less visible to radars and infrared detectors.
>Modern cruise missiles also can be programmed to approach and attack a target in the most efficient manner.
>For example, multiple missiles can attack a target simultaneously from different directions, overwhelming air defenses at their weakest points

>This kills the Laser classes effectively

>>22901056
Steam sucks, just get the uncensored games out through JAST or something

>>22901218
>JAST
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time

>>22901214
holy shit you are actually fucking retarded

>>22901056
All VN releases on steam should just follow the Subahibi approach and only sell the prologue with 90% of the game behind a patch

>>22901214
>If they had tech from 20+ years into the future and modern day production capabilities they'd be better off
No shit

Haven't checked up on the framchise sinxe the gacja shat itself and killed every project, what's been going on since then? What's the context for OP pic?

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>>22901214
They have bombs. The problem is that literally destroying the world wouldn't be enough bombs. The bombs are described as being effective against laser class. The problem is not unit-counters, but that humanity is playing 1v7 brutal AIs set to turtle mode. Even Yuuko says the military overfocuses on the threat of lasers against the sheer number of BETA.

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>>22901542
I'm fairly certain that Michiru mentions that as well when she's instructing Takeru after he's joined the Valkyries, no? She asks him what's the biggest threat of the BETA and he says that It's the Laser-class only for her to clarify that it's their massive outnumbering of humanity that gives them such a massive advantage, if I'm not mistaken.

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>>22901056

>>22900559
Bringing back takeru would undermine the whole point of the trilogy

>>22901769
That pretty much guarantees he's going to be in it...

>>22901542
They literally run out of artillery shells.

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>>22901394
no u

>>22901489
>If they had tech from 20+ years into the future and modern day production capabilities they'd be better off
>No shit
By the early Cold War period, it was a known delivery method.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile

Maybe at the early stages of the war, not everyone had the production capabilities, but that can be quickly resolved.

>>22901542
>They have bombs
and artillery, yet they shoot/launch at HIGH SKY (ballistical), and get NoScoped by the light bugs.
And there is no implication that they use solid projectiles (that if lasers intercept it, they would not explode mid-air)
>Pic semi-related

>>22901695
>The problem is that literally destroying the world wouldn't be enough bombs

A good counter-offensive will destroy the Hives , and wait/hold on until the BETAs "deactivates" themselves.

hope they send kurogane to the post-ouka alternative timeline in resonative as the excuse to bring him back

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For the blind, she is their vision. For the deaf, she is their music. For the mute, she is their voice. For the anosmiac, she is their aroma. For the numb, she is their feeling. For the atrophied, she is their muscle.

For the starved, she is their sustenance. For the thirsty, she is their water. For the exhausted, she is their energy.

For the depressed, she is their happiness. For the disillusioned, she is their hope. For the pessimistic, she is their optimism.

For the disadvantaged, she is their champion. For the marginalised, she is their justice. For the oppressed, she is their salvation.

For the righteous, she is their symbol. For the enlightened, she is their muse. For the erudite, she is their education.


If Tama speaks, I listen. If Tama questions, I answer. If Tama orders, I obey.

If Tama opines, I agree. If Tama fears, I assure. If Tama hopes, I dream.

If Tama is happy, I am jubilant. If Tama is angry, I am apoplectic. If Tama is sad, I am disconsolate.

Tama is my ideal, Tama is my romance, Tama is my passion.

Tama is my strength, Tama is my compass, Tama is my destination.

Tama is my language, Tama is my culture, Tama is my religion.

Tama is my ocean, Tama is my mountain, Tama is my sky, Tama is my air, Tama is my sun, Tama is my moon, Tama is my world.

Tama is history, Tama is present, Tama is future

If Tama has a million fans, I am one of them. If Tama has a thousand fans, I am one of them. If Tama has a hundred fans, I am one of them. If Tama has ten fans, I am one of them. If Tama has only one fan, that is me. If Tama has no fans, I no longer exist.

If the whole universe is for Tama , then I am for the whole universe. If the whole universe is against Tama, then I am against the whole universe.

I will love, cherish, and protect Tama until my very last breath; my successors will love, cherish and protect Tama until their very last breath.

>>22901906
>and artillery, yet they shoot/launch at HIGH SKY (ballistical), and get NoScoped by the light bugs.
And there is no implication that they use solid projectiles (that if lasers intercept it, they would not explode mid-air)
and shooting straight from dozens of kilometers away is supposed to be better because..?

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Is this real?

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>>22902118

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>>22902090
>>22902118
>>22902127
Tama LOVE

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>>22900285
They couldn't come up with anything better than to put a modification of the shittiest TSF on the illustration for the future project as a bad omen... Plus their unsuccessful experience in developing the previous game with "new" elements as a hint...

Well, I'll probably refrain from any expectations, although, maybe we'll manage to get some good illustrations from these "projects".

>>22900864
>Yuuya post-Ouka and
While discussing ML fanfics, someone jokingly said that Bridges could become a powerful figure in the Soviet Union in the future with a harem of esper girls. Why not?

The semi-canonical description of ATD-X Shinshin mentions that the Japanese government provided asylum to the Phase 3 Shiranui pilot. So, Yui and Yuuya's family life? Bridges weeaboo?

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>>22902127
Tama LIFE

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>>22902159
TAMA DEAD

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>>22902166
no..

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She is alive in our hearts

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>>22896628
>US Army logistics laughs in the face of the very concept
Episode from "Defense of Kyoto" when Japanese TSFs run out of ammo and are reloading at supply containers... when they are attacked by BETAs that broke through and devoured. Octopus-bugs don't need "muh, logistics!" and they win.

>>22897024
>My point is objecting to your idea of discarding useful material, and the F4 having desirable qualities for new pilots and the high-low mix.
Once again - F5 does the same but better and all subsequent generations and models of TSF are based on its "maneuverable" concept. F-4 exists only because of the inertia of thinking and the limited imagination of the ML authors - hell, even in the "Regenerative" magazines half of the technical information is devoted to variations of F-4 that do not give anything breakthrough.

>>22897220
You wrote nonsense after all...

>Tanks are simpler machines compared to TSFs
They are not effective in direct combat against BETA compared to TSF. At best, the role of tanks in MD is mobile artillery and a "distraction maneuver" against BETA. In general, the evolution of armored vehicles in the ML world should have assumed a transition from large-caliber guns to autocannons + missiles, but this is not observed.

>Soviet/Russian tank doctrine
Dude, I know without your useless observation that the ML authors don't know a damn thing and don't understand a damn thing about the Soviet Union and what they showed in TE is their Japanese fantasy. No matter what nonsense you write, weighed down with contempt and hatred for Russians, try to "analyze" the scene with the battle of "tanks against BETA" on the European front (outside of Schwarzesmarken, of course, because there are terrible commies there).

>Sounds like the URSS in 1941
Did you mean like France in 1940? In general, the Japanese did develop new TSFs, at least... And they saw the true "value" of friendship with the Yankees.

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>>22902234
>>22897275
>your silver girls goes berzerk, razing everything on their path
Are you seriously arguing against the concept of an "improved pilot" in the fight against BETA "human factor"? And you do not accept any possibility of improving a system that has proven its effectiveness? Are you really an idiot?

Okay, in Yukon terrorists were able to gain access to the remote control systems of the TSF and hacked the entire base security system - according to your idiot logic, we should abandon the use of the TSF?

>can´t be serious...
There is no space elevator, but there is a war on the Moon and a large-scale orbital defense system and a space fleet of orbital divers. Go to hell.

>>22899547
>I would watch BETA trying to do the same on this.
Okay, you're just a brainless tank wanker. This thing is useless due to its size and everything. It's impossible to transport and use. Perfect BETA fodder.
Tanks are useless as anti-BETA units in the ML world. End of story.

>>22897338
>gap between generations are closer than depicted
Well, how can I say, the best (at that time) version of the F-4 aka Zuikaku was able to defeat the F-15 (2nd generation) in close combat during training, but this is considered an outstanding achievement of the famous pilot. The design limitations are still difficult to overcome.

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>>22901214
There are too many BETAs and you can't stock up on missiles for all of them. Maybe you can knock out the lasers - but that's not certain - but how are you going to destroy the rest, with useless tanks? You can't do without the TSF - accept it, asshole.

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>>22901383
By the way, Yashiro Kasumi aka Trista Shestina (actually, in normal Russian it should look like Trista Shestaya (306ya), but Kouki is a lazy asshole), creates a certain idiocy of the situation with her presence at the Yokohama base.

The thing is that she is a high-level esper from the advanced Soviet weapons and technology development program, connected with both "Alternative 3" and the "Total Eclipse" project. At the same time, she was sent to Yuko completely alone, without an escort from the Russian military/special services and contacts with Red Russia at least at the level of reports and reports. In addition, she was not even given a normal name, only a numbered designation, which would have been bound to hit the reputation of the USSR in the framework of international cooperation and no one in the political leadership would have allowed it. And yes. why was she sent completely alone to participate in a project that can strengthen Japanese-Soviet cooperation if it would have been wiser to send a group of espers?

In short, the character is cool, but the situation with her is absurd.

>>22900281
>they remembered Lost Arcadia
Well there is something I didn't expect

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>>22901906
>A good counter-offensive will destroy the Hives
Anon, you gotta remember what happened at Sadogashima. The entire attack started off perfectly, it was completely organized, and they ultimately destroyed the Hive. But it wasn't enough. Michiru and Kashiwagi, much of the forward forces were destroyed by the BETA, and even after the 00 Unit exploded the Hive, the stragglers alone almost overwhelmed Yokohama base.
You CAN do a good offensive or counteroffensive but it pure and simply won't matter. The BETA are just too many. First wave was completely crushed by a first attack after careful planning and strategy? Too bad, wave 2 out of 435 will come, ambush the spent forces with sheer numbers then push the frontline anyways. Respond with a counteroffensive and crush them again? Too bad, wave 3 out of 435 will show up and, again, crush the spent forces then push the frontline again.
If you know 40k, then picture the BETA as Tyranids. There is a very real (and dare I say even likely) chance of there being more BETA on the Solar System alone than Earth has TSFs, military and supply vehicles, bombs, missiles, shells, guns or even bullets, all combined, and they very definitely outnumber humans by orders upon orders of magnitude as well.

watch them recast all of the cerberus vas too

>>22902234
wahh wahh wahh wahh

>>22900559
BETA invade the Extra world

>>22902506
they're already all recast.

Any good muv-luv stuff to 3d print?

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>>22900559
To be fair. Alternative Timeline only got to Cherry Blossom because of his sheer existence egging the heroines to save in the name of true love. And there's a high chance that Yuuko would fuck it up. Bitch can't do anything without Takeru's interference.

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>>22900559
I remember a nip theory about TDA Takeru being sent to post alternative

>>22902632
That was the storyline for Strike Frontier already

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>>22900736
I mean she's pretty depressed. prolly why she wanted Takeru to shoot her.

>>22901983
>>22902735
I think the theory was that because he crushed the Brain that the time space fuckery powers passed on...and with Makabe and co bringing the Susanoo back in Resonaive...they'd want the best 00 Units they could make

>>22902281
yeah because there have never ever been instances of people trading assets behind the scenes
get real retard, what the actual fuck is this post

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>>22902111
Good question. (also checked)
Pic Related.

Lasers have a disadvantage: they are LINEAR.
(if the could "bend" their rays, humanity was FUBAR since 1974)
On the other side, bullets, rockets and missiles travels like a CURVE on the planet´s horizon.
The closer to the ground it goes, the less time gets exposed, and the chances of being intercepted gets lower.

Once the Laser classes has been cleared (on a big area, of course), you can attack with the "conventional artillery" without worrying about "wasting ammo" in a suppressive fire.

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>>22902281
>all that yadda yadda for an asset from a FAILED ALTERNATIVE PLAN
Little reminder that the active Alternative program can "reclaim" any stuff from UN members. Personnel included.
Also, (You) are forgetting that they are dealing with Yuuko-sensei. "the fox of Yokohama"...

>>22902783
the vatnik throws the worst takes on the matter, m8. GOOLAGtroll-posting is getting tiresome

>>22902860
All her actions started having consequences. Technically, she's being taken in for all the TSFs and the shit she pulled... but mostly because they blame her for the BETA learning TACTICS. I think I read somewhere where they actually suspect her too for getting rid of 'Takeru' aka savior of humanity and that its strange no one remember the guy piloting the A-04 and is out for her blood

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>>22902735
It was the desert guy... but its more likely that TDA Takeru is going to wake up in Alternative but cant remember TDA at all. We already suspect that he's going to be the last Shirogane that get to Alternative

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>>22902262
Oh boy, where to start?...

>Okay, in Yukon terrorists were able to gain access to the remote control systems of the TSF and hacked the entire base security system - according to your idiot logic, we should abandon the use of the TSF?
Fuck no. Never implied to that extreme.
TSFs can be useful to assaulting Hives.
But having your "precious" robbottos getting SO MANY ways to get sabotaged, unnecesary risks needs to be avoided.
"Drug Enhancers" were questionable from the start.
"Rat Labs mixed with human DNA" that CAN be fucked up mentally, and fuck you up telepathically, by their own will, or the "Party´s Will™"... Naaah m8.
And BOTH shits can be remotely activated?
IMAGINE that RumbleMania, LMAO.

I know that in WW2 , both sides used more drugs than the 60s, but JEEZ, tovarisch, get some grip...

>Okay, you're just a brainless tank wanker.
No? its a "Heavy" SPG. not an MBT. Learn2diferentiate.
>This thing is useless due to its size and everything.
its still shorter (8 to 10 mts) than a TSF (18 to 20 mts), a bit wider (not a serious problem in a flat desert, huh?) and probably a little bit heavier (4 threads can handle better than 2, so...)
And that "everything"? wdym?

>Perfect BETA fodder.
>Armor thick enough for the smaller strains to toy around , before being shotgunned or coaxial-ed from the second line ("bug off")
>Weapons that can destroy or fuck up any bigger strain before it reaches nearby
>Internal space enough to store for long fights
you are starting to see it?

>impossible to transport
if its assembled in the same continent, there should´t be any serious problem.
>impossible to use
Come again?

>Tanks *(MBTs) are useless as anti-BETA units in the ML world. End of story.
Of course. MBTs they have short weapon range (6 kilometers, max) , crap armor against BETAs, and slighty slower than its main enemy , Tank Classes.
and still? EVERYONE uses it. why? why waste resources on a "useless" vehicle?

>>22901508
they are doubling down with other projects (at least 2 games and some VN re-launch). some anons are betting on the possible collapse/zombie IP.

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>>22902733
Probably what pisses me off about Alternative is that hte realization that Takeru hard-carried Alternative despite Yuuko-bitch's insistence that she did.. bitch can't even succeed for a multiple timelines.

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>>22902234
>US Army logistics laughs in the face of the very concept
>Episode from "Defense of Kyoto" when Japanese TSFs run out of ammo and are reloading at supply containers...
So, you are comparing the yankees, who tend to be armed to the teeth™, to the "Imperial" Japan, one of the WORST planned defense ever devised.
>30 (THIRTY) YEARS to prepare its defenses, frontlines, and suply routes
>a typhoon ruins their "perfect defense folded 1000 times"
>MUH NIPPON DAMASHII CAN DEFEND ITSELF ALONE!
>cries SO hard when US govt move the troops for an emergency, that all the planet heard of it
And its one of the excuses that leads the 12/5.
Beautiful.

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>>22900559
That would unironically make me sad. Takeru has gone through enough. However that also means I will 100% play it whenever (if ever) it comes out. My investment in this franchise is almost 100% Takeru (and his friends) only. The mechs are cool, but I mostly cared about his character arc.

>>22902865
no you fucking dumbass
they already tried this and it 1. didn't work 2. will probably be shot down anyways 3. melts the projectile anyways 4. doesn't account for terrain 5. doesn't account for the ever growing pile of beta corpses in front of the laser class 6. doesn't account for the advancing the front 7. renders AL shells useless

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>>22903073
Same. I'm too attached with the Trilogy. Same reason I even read TDA...because it had Marimo, Not!Meiya

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>>22903041
tbf they wanted to nuke the capital to and that made them double seethe

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>>22902265
>>22901891
>>22902386 (mainly, this one)

>Anon, you gotta remember what happened at Sadogashima.
Its more an exception than the rule. but, ok...

>The BETA are just too many.
How Many? there is a physical limit. After Phase 5 , Hives tend to stabilize their numbers or even decrease... which could be the "best" moment to attack...
>First wave was completely crushed by a first attack after careful planning and strategy? Too bad, wave 2 out of 435 will come [...]

OK, ok... time to stop the presses.
Pic Related.
those are the "canon" numbers.
from 450.000 to 880.000 BETAs in the Invasion of Japan (1998).
using the porcentage distribution, it results:
Fort: 4.500 to 8.800 (1%)
Heavy Laser: 4.500 to 8.800 (1%)
Laser: 4.500 to 8.800 (1%)
Destroyer: 31.500 to 56.000 (7%)
Grappler: 67.500 to 120.000 (15%)
Warrior: 67.500 to 120.000 (15%)
Soldier: 67.500 to 120.000 (15%)
Tank: 202.500 to 396.000(45%)

if some anon (/tg/,/k/ or /m/en) speculates the numbers on the human side to contain o eradicate those bugs, feel free to reply...
for me, going to bed.

...I dare to say that, it reminds me of the Eastern Front, or the entire WW2...

> Too bad, wave 3 out of 435 will show up and, again, crush the spent forces then push the frontline again.
Even if you can get a "second or third, or n wave assault", BETAs arent THAT fast. Satellites can predict days, even WEEKS when a "concentration" group reaches its critical mass and start moving. That happens on Evensk Hive, for example...

>that comparison to Tyranids
Yeah, and nah.
BETA infests a planet, and then, creates "carriers" that goes to other planets.
If BETA could "transport" the troops from the Moon (or Mars), THAT would be closer to the Tyranids.
"BETA can´t fly, and Charlie don´t surf"...

>>22900559
Hope not. I wouldn't mind having Yuuya as MC though. Or better... Will

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>>22903097
>carrier ship
>on a big lake
>not retreating the carrier to a safer place (open waters)

>>22900559
>>22901983
That would be too fuck up.
>being sent to a version of a world where you succeed, but still has no friends left and everyone calls you some fucking hero that saved the world

>>22903115
Something something laser class and muh divine storm

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>>22902234
>F4
That's incorrect. TSFs are described as roughly separated into light and heavy types, with the heavy type better at fire support and protracted battles. The F15 is a heavy type just like the F4. The way muvluv describes and depicts how this works for TSFs compared to real world aircraft is a bit vague but that's the situation. The Japanese needed a light TSF designed for their specific needs so they wanted to build it themselves, so they imported the heavy types. Using only short-battle TSFs would create periodic holes in their defense so it makes more sense to use only heavy types if they can't have both, so the F4 makes perfect sense as their initial choice. It remains as a trainer TSF for the F15 and sees combat in emergencies.
Besides that the A10 is said to be incredibly effective so there's precedent to argue light types aren't the be all end all.
>of armored vehicles in the ML world should have assumed a transition from large-caliber guns to autocannons + missiles
This is also wrong. Mankind employs the 35mm autocannon tank, with infantry composed of 35auto and 120cannon tanks. They have low profiles and fewer computer systems than a TSF so the BETA can't detect them as easily. They're good at containment battles and ambushes. MLRS also seem fairly common.

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>>22903117
oh no and he will be forced to maintain several harems to spread those savior genes

>>22903117
more kurogane suffering would be kino though. if they want to make it a happy one then send meiya with him too. That way there's two Takerus that end up each with Meiya and Sumika. Meiya end in Extra has Takeru stepping up to run Mitsurugi and TDA03's end had him set up to step into the hero role so I'm sure they could write him into some leadership role alongside her. I think that would be the "least" bullshit way to bring the two of them back. This would at least have some grounds in stuff that is already established, I don't think there's any possible way to bring back the rest of the girls or regular Takeru without it being total bullshit.

>>22902386 (me)
>>22903099
I'm mostly just going off of what I saw in the VNs, so I can't contest specific unit numbers, but what is essentially what happened in them. Sadogashima, for instance, was where the UN forces had, during the first hour, completely dominated the field and pushed back the BETA until the Susano'o arrived, and it blasted the hive's monument.
All was well until the 00 glitched out, the Susano'o fell down, and suddenly yet another massive BETA wave came out of the ground, wrecking everyone's shit and forcing a total retreat. And even after wiping Sadogashima completely off the map with the Susano'o self-destructing, merely the survivors of the attack were still enough to almost completely wreck Yokohama. And that's not mentioning that other scene in the Original Hive invasion where a literal wave of BETA almost fall over the Susano'o Mk2.
I will admit that the Tyranid comparison was a bit faulty, since the BETA don't have any flyers or equivalents to Genestealers, but the core point of them VASTLY outnumbering humanity still remains, and like it happens in the VN itself, no amount of strategy and forward planning is truly enough against an enemy that doesn't need to worry about logistics, supply networks, morale, ammo and maintenance which also outnumbers them like 8:1

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>>22903238
Idk man. Resonative's screenshots seems like they're going to be fallout with both Meiya and Takeru since they are on opposite sides. Would be fucked though, that the most jaded Takeru gets to inherit the shit that Alt Takeru has to go through.

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>>22903030
I mean Yuuko likes to play the villain, but she herself know none would have gone favorably if it wasn't for Takeru's appearance. It's like double-edged blade

>>22903321
I think it'll head that way at first but they'll reconcile in the end. Depends on how Kouki feels picking up TDA since he didn't write it originally. From the existing TDA content, everyone from Yokohama present in TDA still care about each other a lot and Takeru isn't someone who would ever give up on Meiya

>>22903460
I mean you can even interpret some of Kurogane's actions, from arresting Marimo as protecting her, to letting French Beatrice escape, and a lot of things like there's some sort of connection still.

>>22903371
Meiya oppai...

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>>22903502
Nah, doubt it, Takeru can't do that to people he's close to. I mean she has enough enemies to do that when she's caught lacking

>>22903599
>Who are her enemies? Seems like everyone just does her bidding cause pussy.
Who isn't her fucking enemies. Allegiance, RTF, every fucking glowie, fellow UN fucks. Funny thing is that, Yuuko has a really shitty reputation, but gets a pass because of her genius and when she stumbles everyone are like Hyenas trying to get a piece of her.

>>22903280
I think the BETA TSF's are human terror weapons. There's nothing to indicate the BETA would just ignore them, and even if they did it wouldn't work for long.

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>>22903095
Yeah. I read TDA because I heard lot of Marimo screentime. Though after 02 and 03. I felt fucking lied.

i think that anon doesn't like yuuko

>>22903854
You sound like a little bitch. Yuuko gave Takeru a livelihood, teached him how to be a man, and even gave him his props by the end of it all. Even if she's a manipulative hag, some gratitude is in order.

Yuuko has the hottest H scene in the series so I forgive her

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>read through the reaction of what nips think of muv luv dimensions new gacha event
>it was good, but Sagiri appeared, but still good
glad that the nips think Sagiri is shit as well

>>22904176
Ngl. I'm impressed that this gatcha managed to last this long. It outlasted 1st mobage Final Anwser( 1yeat. now it's on track of trying to last longer than Strike Frontier (a little over year and a half.)

>>22904867
the sales are very bad so they're probably just trying to recoup the cost of having to make the game twice

>>22904867
>>22904904
Actually doing fine now
hence why they showed the roadmap
Kouki talked about it in the stream and in discord

>>22900281
>only resonative still have that SOUL logo

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>>22905454
Kouki is a fucking liar then, as usual

Is there a recommended route order for Schwarzesmarken? Do they vary much?

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is the altered fable patch that came out recently any good?
I wanna play it. mostly for dat mikoto route
https://vndb.org/r122598

>>22905456
>soul
It ain't SOVL without the motto

>>22906202
you can still make out the SAVE IN THE NAME OF TRUE LOVE in there

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>Kouki jokingly said that he felt like the Marimo route was too cruel and jokingly said that TDA was Marimo's Shirogane bad ebd route
fuck off you fucking hack

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>>22906377

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>>22906381
Given what's set to happen to her, it sounds about right.

>>22906381
Deal with it.

>>22906383
But there's no true love in the Unlimited timeline...

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>>22906381
would unironically make it even more reasonable why Marimo's death breaks him apart

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>>22906392
Laying down one's life and letting your beloved to go space is an act of true love!

>>22906385
I wonder if she got "re-educated' or persuaded by Takeru to join them

>>22906381
Honestly, Unlimited timeline has the potential to create a lot of scenarios but the hacks can't make use of it

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>>22906398
probably persuaded. He lives rent free in her head all the time in TDA

>>22906396
An oft referenced but mostly boring story. The more I think about it the fonder I remember it though. I still can't wrap my head around hoisting a frozen lake into space using long cables.

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Does this typhoon off the wiki originate from anywhere official like TSFIA? https://muvluv.fandom.com/wiki/EF-2000_Typhoon

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I found it, nevermind.

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>>22903041
>So, you are comparing the yankees, who tend to be armed to the teeth™, to the "Imperial" Japan, one of the WORST planned defense ever devised.
As an example of how "logistics" does not save. The only thing the Yankees could offer during the BETA invasion of Japan was not "to victoriously use the brilliant logistical doctrine of bang-bang", but to burn everything down with nukes. When they were asked "Are you crazy?" they preferred to flee overseas rather than fight. Everything you need to know about the "magnificence" of Washington's strategy.

>>22903127
>TSFs are described as roughly separated into light and heavy types, with the heavy type better at fire support and protracted battles.
Well, that's the thing, the F-4 and F-5 weren't the founders of this "dual" use. The Phantom was simply ineffective. And, it seems, the difference between "heavy" and "light" TSFs is the range and duration of combat operations. But, the Europeans, for example, don't bother with this and use the Typhoon/Rafale for all tasks, as well as the A-5-based models before that.

>They have low profiles and fewer computer systems than a TSF so the BETA can't detect them as easily.
But if armored vehicles are not capable of quickly and in large numbers destroying BETA, then this does nothing. Tank guns have too little lethality against a large number of enemies and shoot too slowly... It would be better to do it like in "Phantom Brigade" - a tank turret is a mount for mecha weapons. Imagine a tank from ML with a TSF gun instead of a standard turret...

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>>22902973
>Fuck no. Never implied to that extreme.
But that's exactly what you're proposing, you fucking idiot. The Scarlet Twins, alone, with a low level of "mental enhancement", cut down 1,500 BETA strains on their own in a slightly upgraded Su-37. Shiranui, with the latest experimental railgun, took out 3,000 BETA. Tarisa even threw a fit at Sandek, like, "There's no way ONE TSF can be THAT effective!" So, the use of esper pilots has proven to be extremely effective, and only an idiot like you could demand that this practice be abandoned based on one negative incident and the hypothetical possibility of an analogy in some future time.

>No? its a "Heavy" SPG. not an MBT
It doesn't matter what kind of garbage it is. The BETA will cut it off from the rest of the troops and surround it, then gnaw on its chassis and deprive it of mobility, and then eat it up despite the losses from fire, crushing the doctrine of using these coffins on tracks with numbers.

>Of course.
Tanks screwed up and became artillery support - that's canon. That's why TSF became the "main heroes".

>>22903099
>there is a physical limit.
Like "Yes". But usually, even the most thoughtful human operation often turns into a massacre and retreat due to the fact that the BETA manage to deceive the calculations and "at this particular moment, in this particular place" quickly concentrate a huge amount of biomass that simply sweeps away scattered forces and individual detachments of people, causing interruptions in communication and supply, as well as sharply zeroing out morale and determination to continue the battle.

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>>22902904
Espers for the USSR are a key element in the development and use of new TSFs - Su-37UB and Su-47 Berkut - to return the native territories of Eurasia - "Plan Total Eclipse". Since the USSR did not disintegrate in the very shitty conditions of the total war with BETA in ML and/or the leadership did not sell it to the West before the events of TE and Alternative, then no one in the Russian leadership will agree to transfer a critically important asset to a potential enemy.

The UN is certainly not pro-Soviet (Japan and Australia are new members of the Security Council), the Japanese were allies of Washington until recently, and Prime Minister Sakaki caused an attempted coup with his pro-UN/USA policy "to the detriment of the interests of Japan", so to speak. Alternative 4 is a Japanese project and it is supervised at the UN by a Japanese woman with a dubious reputation...

So, why the hell would the Reds hand over a representative of their most important project to a lady who, for the sake of her/alt 4" interests, can hand him over to the Yankees? And why would the Soviets help the Japanese project if the Tokyo government is more interested in relations with Washington than in creating a united front in the Far East?

The UN demands are, of course, important for humanity, but "the Union needs these resources more, so we'll help with something else," for example. You can always politely send such requests far away.

And even if by some miracle of fate Kasumi ended up in Yokohama, this does not affect the fact that she is an esper and represents Russia in an international project, which means she could not have been ALONE. Other espers, doctors and esper specialists, soldiers and security guards from the escort + officers and civilian representatives. They ALL had to be present, simply because of the importance of espers to the USSR.

>>22903095
Ikaruga is usually portrayed as some kind of narcissistic, scheming villain, but what if TDA ends up showing him as a good guy in bad times and Lady Shogun actually falls in love with him?

>>22903238
There is a good, but unfortunately unfinished and, apparently, abandoned fanfic-crossover on Code Geass x Muv-Luv TDA - Changing Plans, in which people from the world of ML learned to make interworld portals based on G-elements... So, maybe "resonance with Integration" suggests something similar - like, unification of several ML timelines/worlds through space-time shifts? In Exogularity there was a similar idea with Strike Frontier...

>>22906385
The guards uniform suits her, and the new hairdo is quite successful. But this is a concept, isn't it? TDA 04 never came out, and when the Thais make it, the final version may be very different. As well as Marimo's role in all this.

The African Union flag - now the world will definitely be saved. Fucking idiots.

>>22908379
no one cares about your cuck fantasy

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>>22908329
>F4, tank
You had me at the point of exasperation a while ago. The tanks have the same weapons as TSFs you fucking loon, they can autoload straight from the ammo box until they run dry, have longer barrels, and a more stable platform. They can also drive backward while shooting while the TSFs need to consume propellant for surfacing.
>F-4 and F-5 weren't the founders of this "dual" use
This statement is pure sophistry. The F15 was meant to be a heavily armored ground attack plane and look at where it ended up. The dual use idea you're talking about wasn't built in to aircraft designs, it was discovered when the military realized they didn't need to modernize their weapons because 10F22s + 20F16s would beat 20F22s. That's what you can't wrap your head around. Operating a single aircraft as a multirole is generally not ideal and no one really knows what the fuck a multirole is anyways.
I don't see why Japan would be better off without a trainer for the F15, or why you're so adamant about this when real world aircraft procurement is pants-on-head retarded.

>>22908379
Would be interesting

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>>22908370
>and HE STILL GOES
yyyyea....
>But that's exactly what you're proposing, you fucking idiot. The Scarlet Twins, alone, with a low level of "mental enhancement", cut down 1,500 BETA strains on their own in a slightly upgraded Su-37
>1,500 BETAs WITHOUT laser support
>in a "beachhead defense" scenario
>a typical BETA land invasion consist between 100 to 200.000 of them, upwards

Ooookk... that means that you need 200 to 400 TSFs with THOSE kind of psychos going "Chainsaw Moscow". LMAO.


>There's no way ONE TSF can be THAT effective!" So, the use of esper pilots has proven to be extremely effective
It wasnt their original purpose. BUUUUT, they found a niche they could fill.

>and only an idiot like you could demand that this practice be abandoned based on one negative incident and the hypothetical possibility of an analogy in some future time.
welp, dunno if the USSR are still producing new ESPe-
>https://muvluv.fandom.com/wiki/Espers
>nope
awww nawwww... that sucks!
i know that in the future it gets restarted, but the real need for skilled pilots is low, soooo...
>It doesn't matter what kind of garbage it is.
I know that vatniks are WAAAAGH-tier in tactics, that you use in Ukraine.
With that mind on BETAs , you always lose :V
>The BETA will cut it off from the rest of the troops
>BETAs learn to make a pincer movement
seems that the Spirit of Uncle Adolf and his gang are guiding the BETAs in revenge!
Also, if you are fighting too spread, you are asking to be encircled.

>and surround it, [...]
>and then eat it up despite the losses from fire, crushing the [...] these coffins on tracks with numbers.
if your own troops cant give you cover or hold an area, because from technical reasons or logistics (ammo, mostly), your army was CONDEMNED from the start,no matter if you have the "fastest" TSFs , or some tanks.

>causing interruptions in communication
>BETA have jammers
>mobiks
>morale
you are kidding, right?

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>>22908375
>First paragraph
the remains of the USSR is used as a "shield" in Alaska, the similar way West Germoney used East No-money in the 80s :VVVV
the moment you guys show the first signs of failing your task, the "Red Shift" (what a fitting name, LMAO) will handle everithing as the keikaku.

>And why would the Soviets help the Japanese project if the Tokyo government is more interested in relations with Washington than in creating a united front in the Far East?
lets go to the inverse, why the soviets let THE ENEMY test their "wonderful weapons" in their own territory?
>[...]to a lady who, for the sake of her/alt 4" interests, can hand him over to the Yankees?
dunno, maybe the yankees would get easier ways to "get" albino pussy.
Alaska (the territory that was rusian clay sold to the yankees for cheap, LMAO) is on a lease for the Party™, and maybe they want some extra "favours"...

>"the Union needs these resources more, so we'll help with something else," for example
>one girl that read colors and use crayons to draw cartoons
tovarisch, you are Stalin-tier of management.
USSR does not have trained people for tanks, and you want all that important personnel out of the front?

Inia wanders around without any escort or guard, and even Cryska wastes her time to find her. thats the policy Yukon Base has. Hell, even when Yuuya gets in the girls bedroom, the security guards get there and catch his ass a little too late IMO.

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>>22908395
>It's actually a timeline resonance bullshit
>Integrate is just the people from the TDA-verse integrating with the Alternative world

>>22908391
>In Exogularity there was a similar idea with Strike Frontier...
Eh, it was basically them pulling characters out of the other worlds (since its gacha shit), same reason why Kurogane was able to interact with his younger self in Strike Frontier

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>>22908395
>But this is a concept, isn't it? TDA 04 never came out, and when the Thais make it, the final version may be very different. As well as Marimo's role in all this.
Yeah. Even the translated version of TDA has a lot of cuts as well, but most of those cuts are oddly about the mentions of the purple takemikazuchi, how Takeru became of the Hero of Operation 21st (which oddly they cut Maya saying it but kept Hibiki's thoughts on how Operation Iceberg was the first operation that they captured a living reactor only for the Americans to bomb it and that Shirogane fought like a man possessed there

filterbros do you have anything or do i have to hide it manually

>>22909056
I'm curious. What was cut and why?

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>>22903073
get a better quality Meiya anon

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>>22909354
Please dont hide me, just posting my wife (adult version)

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>>22909393
>TDA 01
>lots of Marimo constantly referring to Shirogane and other things
>TDA 02
>Makabe talking about how they got Takeru (apparently he tore through Sado with a Gekishin and then got inducted into the IRG) and also a political piece against Not! Yuuhi
>TDA 03
>Maya constantly going about the Hero of Sadogashima, new version had her just talk once and made it clear Mana's still alive
>more implications that Shirogane's still on Meiya's side
>also adding UN Shiranuis, probably the Valkyries, and Ilfriede and co. There's also Yui's VA making a report to Ikaruga
Strangely, the newest version make it vague if Kurogane really knows who the brain is, in the oldest version he refers it like he knows its Sumika.

this is your thread without a tama op

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>>22909354
>a slow, containment board without IDs
nah.

>>22909592
left looks like someone else, but my mind is foggy to remember...

>>22909589
>There's also Yui's VA making a report to Ikaruga
Wait, when did that happen?

>>22909056
>>22909589
Did I miss something? Where were these cuts?

>>22909845
she reports to him at the end of 02,

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>>22909590

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Hypothetically would I be allowed to post a link here for a Muv Luv related mod I'm making?

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>>22910856
What's the mod for?

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>>22910861
Haven't decided yet. I'm porting all the main girls into source engine model files. Most likely G-mod or L4D2. Basically any source game with SDK + workshop support. I'm open to suggestions but I won't shill if its gonna make people mad.

>>22910892
Please do. I know someone who would kill for all the girls in Source.

>>22908375
>Espers for the USSR are a key element in the development and use of new TSFs - Su-37UB and Su-47 Berkut
The Espers have fuck all to do with the TSFs
>the Japanese were allies of Washington until recently
The Japanese are actually spearheading a project whose alternative is an American backed project, in case you forgot
>and Prime Minister Sakaki caused an attempted coup with his pro-UN/USA policy "to the detriment of the interests of Japan
>Japanese woman with a dubious reputation
nigger what are you fucking smoking
>for the sake of her/alt 4" interests, can hand him over to the Yankees?
oh gee i dont fucking know maybe because the express purpose of the project is in the same vein as alt 3 and americans care more about alt 5??? holy shit man
>Tokyo government is more interested in relations with Washington than in creating a united front in the Far East
stop writing fanfiction jesus christ
>this does not affect the fact that she is an esper and represents Russia in an international project, which means she could not have been ALONE.
no the fuck it does not, these terms are obviously fucking insane for yuuko to accept and russians don't have much to hide about alt 3

>>22910856
Yes, but only if it entails putting TSFs into armored core 6

>>22911138
Can't you already do that with the customizer?
>>22911074
>what is he smoking
only the purest ultra-nationalist duganism COPEnhagen

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oh I found the shower scene that I thought I remembered seeing. I thought I was going schizo when I couldn't find any mention of it. what was the context even? I'm assuming it's from the shitty gacha game.

>>22911696
the gacha lore is a private military company found a way to observe the multiverse and they're using that to create memory imprints of all your favourite characters which they then put into clone bodies that at are used as disposable tsf pilots. When one of them dies they just make a new clone so that said character can continue to dress like a whore in comedy events(as demonstrated by Yui)
They pretty much tried to copy Servants from Fate/ but made it even more soulless

>>22911824
yeah but did takeru finally get to flop his cock out in front of the girls like starship troopers?

>>22911833
Takeru isn't the main character of the game, you play a faceless and nameless commander character. They introduced Takeru in a comedy event and now every time he would be relevant to the events of the main story some character just goes "He isn't around right now"

>>22911844
so he's getting cucked in the shower? or there isn't a guy in the scene and it's from a girl pov?

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>>22911885
NTA, but there isn't. There's a designated original characters for (You). There's also a lot of different Takerus around. There's a running joke that Meiya and Yuuhi are so into Mitsurugi Zaibatsu Leader version of Takeru. Anyway, it's clones shenanigans anyway

>>22911824
Shit thing is that the gacha is basically just them replaying scenarios from their VN (which is very lazy as fuck) and even the halloween shit with JK Yuuko's just half-assed

>>22911930
Honestly I couldn't even tell she's supposed to be a JK because the main artist is god awful and only works on low budget trash games like this and black stella

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This image will now show up on my X timeline within the next 24 hours.

>>22911926
Isn't that basically the meiya timeline

>>22911926
wait who the fuck is that on the right?

>>22912186
JK Yuuko

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>>22912186

>>22912205
Ok. But who is she?

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>>22912634
I'll believe it when I see it.

It's out
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1777440/Kimi_ga_Nozomu_Eien_Enhanced_Edition/

So it it just 1 route removed? Let me know when someone restores that and h-scenes bros.

just learn japanese

>>22913632
entire game uses the censored ps2 script even outside of h-scenes + 1 route removed + 2 endings removed + addtional edits to scenes to get the game into steam such as underage Takayuki and Haruki cuddling

>>22913638
Ah ok that sucks, I guess I'll just come back to the original one day when my nihongo's better.

>>22913638

>underage Takayuki and Haruki cuddling

I assume this was kept to preserve why Akane has the mad-on for both Takayuki and Akane?

>>22913767

Meant "Akane has the mad-on for both Takayuki and Mitsuki".

>>22913767
PC: Takayuki and Haruka try to fuck in her room but they stop when he tries to penetrate her because she seems uncomfortable and in pain, he ensures here it's okay and they can try another time (then the incident happens and Takayuki fucks Mitsuki during the timeskip)

Console: They're still on her bed but the whole scene reads like a 4kids edit where both of them remain fully clothed and they stop because he hugs/embraces her too hard (you're supposed to imagine the cut content and cgs).

2024: Console version but they made it even shorter without telling anyone because someone was scared of steam

>>22913632
Welp I bought it, I'm a sucker I know

>>22913781
that's 2 delivery pizzas worth of money you fucking monster

>>22911824
... wait a minute, Project Mikhail have the same plot?

>>22913784
Mikhail was some schizo shit about vtubers from the future

>>22913784
Somewhat kinda. Project Mikhail is about (You) aka Eskavator synching up with Takeru's memories to get to the ending. I know no one really finished it, but if you finish Survival Mode as the Nameless Pilot (aka Eskavtor) the Valkyries would survive Operation Cherry blossom

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>>22913781
i know that Teitou Muyoi and SM bombed at sales, the question is, how gonna be this "Kimi Ita" launch?

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>>22913801
Well at least that's Kickstarter money and not company money they used on this, right? ahaha...

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>>22913791
at first glance, yes. their "presentation" was weird...

>>22913792
>I know no one really finished it, but if you finish Survival Mode as the Nameless Pilot (aka Eskavtor) the Valkyries would survive Operation Cherry blossom
Even Michiru ;_;?

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What is this gay shit

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>>22913801
>>22913803
>>22913813
AGE-sistas...
ITS OVER

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>>22913818
Maybe slightly less gay than I thought...

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>>22913829
...or maybe I was wrong

Extra launch peak was 43 (would go to 200 during the anime)
TE launch peak was 107
TM launch peak was 15
Kiminozo launch peak so far is 23 (it is currently down to 19)

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>>22913830
The bantz are strong in this one

>>22913833
Muv-Luv still is too niche in the West.

>>22913839
should stay that way

>>22913780

So what did they do with the scene that made Akane have it in for Takayuki and Mitsuki after Haruka was hospitalized in the censored versions?

>>22913912
?

>>22913930

Wasn't there a scene where, when Takayuki gave into the temptation of cheating on Haruka with Mitsuki, Akane caught both Takayuki and Mitsuki and avoided them as she them betraying Haruka?

>>22913807
One of the potentiality if you side with the ALT IV all the time

>>22900281
TDAbros...................

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>>22914029
At least it's not actually fucking dead...but I'm PISSED that tactics go first instead of TDA

>>22914034
Tactics is their hope for actually making money... when it fails, the rest of the titles on that list are fucking ogre

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>>22914034
What did Kouki mean by this

>>22914113
That the wrong person is being accused while the true culprit walks away smugly

>>22914113
>>22914034
why is Takeru stealing wallets now

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>>22914144
Purely ubermensch reasons

>>22914144
Trollin now that's smile restored (it's a bad thing btw)

>>22908476
>The tanks have the same weapons as TSFs you ...they can
No, and they can't. Tanks are too limited in ammunition (50+/- shells + 2500+/- rounds (7-12 mm) for Type-90 versus 32,000 rounds (36 mm) and 48 rounds for Shiranui) and can't match the TSF in speed and 3D maneuverability. In addition, tanks require more people for the crew.

> it was discovered when the military realized they didn't need to modernize their weapons because 10F22s + 20F16s would beat 20F22s.
Well, the high-low MiG/Su and the American-Soviet Jiang are purely political decisions, and the Europeans use the main TSFs of one "light" type... So it's doubtful.
As for the F-22 - in the TSFIA its results against the F-15/16 are almost 100 to 1, and against the Shiranui 7 to 1. Roughly speaking, in your example the F-16 does not play a role except as scrap metal with corpses.

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making yakisoba for dinner tonight, are you proud ayamine-san?

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>>22908611
>that means that you need 200 to 400 TSFs with THOSE kind of psychos going "Chainsaw Moscow". LMAO.
This means, idiot, that in a standard "CODEX-like" combined arms anti-BETA operation, significantly fewer TSFs with espers will be needed, and will reduce losses in such valuable combat vehicles. Roughly speaking, the Soviets will need significantly fewer TSFs to liberate a larger territory, which makes sense.

>It wasnt their original purpose.
If it's "stupid" but it works, then it's not "stupid". Esper pilots are extremely effective.

>welp, dunno if the USSR are still producing new ESPe-... nope
Are you so stupid that you can't read?
"With the Alternative III plan now over, the Barchenowa espers have had their primary directive changed often, going wherever Soviet High Command require them. Due in part to their high maintenance, the Barchenowa espers are often used in experimental missions that are considered high-risk."
"Since they were not ready before the end of Alternative III, the hundreds of Sestina created have since been used in a variety of both Soviet and UN-led operations and are still considered very useful despite their original purpose being deprecated. Some are used as pilots whereas others are maintained as support personnel due to their special mind-reading abilities."
The Union still uses espers in various fields and quite effectively, so there is no REAL reason to abandon them. Besides, the new Su-47 was created with esper pilots in mind. And yes, "perhaps the last generation" in an article on ML-Wiki without a reference to the source does not qualify as proof of the thesis.

>WAAAAGH-tier in tactics
You worthless tank-wanker, you still can't accept that tanks screwed up in ML? Keep crying.

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>>22908696
>the moment you guys show the first signs of failing your task
Even in the anti-Soviet context of the Total Eclipse, the Russians are not going to lose and have developed a very interesting combination of espers + TSFs in preparation for the reconquest of the Motherland. In addition, although the Reds are leasing Alaska, they retain the ability to supply their TSF models to other countries and conduct research on G-elements, so they have potential brush off the Yankees.

>why the soviets let THE ENEMY test their "wonderful weapons" in their own territory?
Enemy? A strange word. For some reason, even those whose countries have never had conflicts with Russia can't stand Russians in TE, but it doesn't seem to come to direct hostility.
Again, judging by the VN, the Japanese themselves decided to conduct visual tests of the railgun on Soviet territory at the highest level under the murky justification of demonstrating "technological superiority" and demonstrating something there.
And yes, you didn't answer the question.

>maybe the yankees would get easier ways to "get" albino pussy.
Well, considering that the Yankees in the lore have no connection whatsoever with the espers, then apparently not.

>and you want all that important personnel out of the front?
From Alaska, actually, because both espers and related projects are under the direct control of the USSR's top brass through the strategic reserve unit. And for such especially valuable personnel, the appropriate specialists will always be found.

>Inia wanders around without any escort or guard...the policy Yukon Base has
This girl doesn't recognize any rules and regulations, and she also enjoys concessions from Sandek and is constantly being sought, so it's a strange argument. Kasumi, for example, has a completely different personality. We're talking about a matter of national importance for the USSR, so Yashiro being left to her own devices at a UN base is sheer nonsense.

>>22909044
>>22909046
So what do you think Integrate and Resonative might be like?

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>>22909056
>how Takeru became of the Hero of Operation 21st
Interesting point, by the way, what eventually happened to the Valkyries in TDA and the cadet platoon? Considering Shirogane's "dead eyes", one can only assume that there were casualties among the main staff, but who?

Marimo and Meiya are alive, but their presence in TDA means that it was not their route. So one of the girls flew into space with Yuuko and Kasumi. And the rest? Ayamine and Sakaki were never mentioned in connection with politics and the army, as were the names of their daughters, although Sagiri and Komaki are present. Yoroi was never mentioned in connection with intelligence and secret affairs, as was Mikoto. Marimo and Meiya do not remember them at all either.

So, any ideas?

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>>22909589
>and made it clear Mana's still alive
This is certainly good news. But what is she doing now?

>more implications that Shirogane's still on Meiya's side
Glad to hear it, although this >>22909056 picture is a little disturbing.

>adding UN Shiranuis, probably the Valkyries, and Ilfriede and co.
That's also great, although the presence of armed forces not associated with the four surviving countries is hard to believe.

>Yui's VA making a report to Ikaruga
Well, considering that Ikaruga and Co. have been armed with railguns, that's pretty good evidence. However, the general tone of that meeting after the ceasefire initiated by Lady Shogun may not paint Yui in the best light.

It would be ironic if Takamura met Bridges in TDA ;)

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>>22911074
>The Espers have fuck all to do with the TSFs
The Su-37/47 even have special modifications specifically for espers.

>>22911074
>The Japanese are actually spearheading a project whose alternative is an American backed project
That's why I wrote "until recently". Again, the pro-Yankee lobby apparently still exists.

>what are you fucking smoking
All based on facts. Yuuko is perceived as some kind of "evil" with whom they are forced to cooperate and this is considered extremely risky and raises many questions in TE. Prime Minister Sakaki managed to "please" the UN/USA so much that the troops rebelled against his policies, and this in a frontline country.

>same vein as alt 3 and americans care more about alt 5?
Nobody has cancelled the paranoia of politicians. Besides, "Fox" gave XM-3 in exchange for Susanoo, so there was no point in saying never.

>stop writing fanfiction
TE and Yui and Dogulu's reaction to Sandek's words about the prospects of Japanese-Soviet cooperation in the defense of the Far East. This was after the Scarlet Twins destroyed the Iranians at the competition and the Argos Test Flight representatives shied away from the Soviet commander like the devil from incense.

>obviously fucking insane for yuuko to accept and russians don't have much to hide about alt 3
If she really needed espers, then a group to take care of them would be necessary too. Yashiro is part of the newest generation of espers who serve in the Union, including for the newest project Total Eclipse.
And yes, was it mentioned anywhere what exactly the Russians got from the deal with Yuuko (other than problems)?

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>>22914310
>No, and they can't.
can´t what?
>Tanks are too limited in ammunition [...]
>implying that you cant stockpile ammunition outside of the hull
>OR attaching a cart to the tank, like the flamethrowers variants
Instead of "COPE-CAGES" like your mobiks do now, lets just put extra ammo up there (and if possible, connect the ammo boxes to the feed)
Wow, problem (partially) solved!
>versus 32,000 rounds (36 mm) and 48 rounds for Shiranui)
Sure,that gives them a lot of weight... adding more difficulty to maneuver that EXTRA unstable coffin...
>and can't match the TSF in speed
it would be good to get more speed, but if the enemy is at your gates, you cant run away anymore...
>and 3D maneuverability.
up to a point , yea... try to NOT fly so high befo-
pic related
>In addition, tanks require more people for the crew.
2, maybe 3-crews? I need to remind you that the Red Army used farm tractors drivers for tanks in WW2?
Instead, you need astronaut-tier to move "effectively" the TSFs, and that limits SEVERELY the potential candidates.
Hell, the Imperial Royal Guard throwed their failed candidates to mechanized infantry, to give you an idea...

>>22914325
>This means, idiot, that in a standard "CODEX-like" combined arms anti-BETA operation
"No"? you need MORE, BECAUSE LASERS GONNA BE GOING 720 NOSCOPE AT 300.000 KILOMETERS PER SECOND, SUKA!
your "3-hour special beach-head operation" did not had disco lights because for some reason, they dont shoot from under-water...
you know what went next, so...

>The Union still uses espers in various fields and quite effectively, so there is no REAL reason to abandon them
Of course not. somebody have to to be a sparrow agent for the KGB and tell all the piggy stuff the yankee/political enemy/everyone else did in the dark...
>You worthless pasta shit [...]
You worthless albino-wanker, you still can´t accept that TSFs screwed up in ML? Keep crying. :V

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>>22914352
Even in the anti-Soviet context of the Total Eclipse
your tunnel vision is horrendous.
the "diplomacy" in this timeline branches, is basically "free-for-all". You are acting like being prosecuted.
>the Russians are not going to lose
I know that the USSR is a radioactive dump with tundras everywhere (so technically, nothing of VALUE has been lost) , but you already lost 85% of the land, and probably 70% of the "population". Stop with the Copium, m8.
>and have developed a very interesting combination of espers + TSFs in preparation for the reconquest of the Motherland.
nice propaganda, tovarisch, maybe you should work for marketing in Wagner group...
>they retain the ability to supply their TSF models to other countries
>Sending the trash to the chained dogs that got dragged by the Party™
yes, Vladimir, but dont try to drink the brake fluid of the TSFs, that´s not vodka...
Now, letting aside the jokes, who´s gonna pilot those "monkey export" models? your precious ESPers?
>and conduct research on G-elements,
>so they have potential brush off the Yankees.
you are forgetting what happened in TE, dont cha?

>>22914373
>The Su-37/47 even have special modifications specifically for espers.
That doesn't mean the TSFs are designed specifically around Espers fuckwit.
>Yuuko is perceived as some kind of "evil" with whom they are forced to cooperate
Yuuko being a good politician does not make her morally evil you fucking clown
>Prime Minister Sakaki managed to "please" the UN/USA so much that the troops rebelled against his policies, and this in a frontline country.
He absolutely did not unilaterally cause such an event.
>Nobody has cancelled the paranoia of politicians. Besides, "Fox" gave XM-3 in exchange for Susanoo, so there was no point in saying never.
what the actual fuck is this even supposed to say? you are the worst fucking conversationalist ever
>Japanese-Soviet
Not what "Far East" means you fucking idiot. I'm also not taking your word for it.
>If she really needed espers, then a group to take care of them would be necessary too
According to whom? You? Fuck off.

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>>22914373
>Prime Minister Sakaki managed to "please" the UN/USA so much that the troops rebelled against his policies, and this in a frontline country.
A context is needed here. Japan always had rebellions in their political system until WW2.
in war or peace, revolts and coup d´ etats was common for them. even if the Prime Minister was doing in a different manner, someone will start shitting up because didn´t like it.

>Nobody has cancelled the paranoia of politicians. Besides, "Fox" gave XM-3 in exchange for Susanoo,
Susanoo IV, to be specific. the Old Junk (Susanoo II) was in their jurisdiction before.
Bussiness "as usual".

>TE and Yui and Dogulu's reaction to Sandek's words about the prospects of Japanese-Soviet cooperation [...]. This was after the Scarlet Twins destroyed the Iranians at the competition and the Argos Test Flight representatives shied away from the Soviet commander like the devil from incense.
... Is that what you call, a "PR stunt"?
ITS BRILLIANT!
>If she really needed espers, then a group to take care of them would be necessary too
>Sestina generation of ESPers does NOT need any critical support to survive, unlike their predecessors

>>22914360
ask Kouki on Twitter.

>>22914352
>Well, considering that the Yankees in the lore have no connection whatsoever with the espers, then apparently not.
im gonna pull the card called: "Proofs?"

>so Yashiro being left to her own devices at a UN base is sheer nonsense.
Maybe the VN doesnt bother to show any "inspection" on that topic...
still, that would happen in the medical area, where takeru never spend his time there.

>This girl doesn't recognize any rules and regulations, and she also enjoys concessions from Sandek and is constantly being sought, so it's a strange argument.

Not at all, Kasumi is the exception to the rule.
It is stated that Sestina gen got a child-like and care-free temperament because they got less strict in their raising.
Besides, that scientist and Sandek himself supervises those 2 shits directly.

>>22914360
Isn't there also endings where you make your girl of choice stay? Haven't read it for a long while. Either way, there are an unlimited amount of timeloop outcomes and the routes available to us are only a sample of them

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>>22914360
It's implied that they were around JFK Assault since they're the only one uses Shiranui in UIN colors

>>22914360
>Marimo and Meiya are alive, but their presence in TDA means that it was not their route. So one of the girls flew into space with Yuuko and Kasumi. And the rest? Ayamine and Sakaki were never mentioned in connection with politics and the army, as were the names of their daughters, although Sagiri and Komaki are present. Yoroi was never mentioned in connection with intelligence and secret affairs, as was Mikoto. Marimo and Meiya do not remember them at all either.
I think Kouki mentioned it during one of the streams that in 21st they pulled Meiya into being the Shogun after Yuuhi died from being assassinated. I think they also a cut a part of 03 where Makabe uses Shirogane to taunt Not!Meiya into agreeing.

>>22914363
>That's also great, although the presence of armed forces not associated with the four surviving countries is hard to believe.
In TDA it was mention that the UN Forces occupy one of the islands near Seattle and the UN still has their combined fleet + space fleets so they're still in the sphere of influence

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>>22914360
I think it's pretty clear they are dead. hence this image of Shirogane carrying four dog tags. >>22914034 and if Takeru had Meiya's handguard then its probably the stay with meiya ending instead of her going to space

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>>22914310
Hahaha okay I'm done. I thought you might acquire chill if someone ran your course but you're one of those kids who grew up with youtube essays instead of friends. I'm not even really arguing for or against anything, it's just that you think everyone should care about an incredibly specific headcannon of yours and you're wrong about everything. This is why mecha is cursed and always will be. At least with action movies people won't argue that because Arnold threw 34% more left hooks he should have won and it was author bias against his nation.
Here's some parting facts, though I've already explained why you're wrong and you're just looping now.
1: That F-14 you posted is also a heavy type.
2: 9mm does the same damage whether it comes out of a pistol or an smg.
3: 8000 36mm rounds weigh >12 tons. Your mysterious 32000 figure is two TSF's weight in bullets. An aircraft cannot carry more ammunition than a ground vehicle.
4: Stealth is useless against the BETA and you're literally falling for in-universe PvP autism propaganda.
5: That's how the USAF does it in the real world and that was their real rationale.
6: You can't seriously ignore the maintenance crew when talking about personnel requirements.
7: You can just extend the back of tank's turret to double or triple its ammo load.
8: The Schwarzesmarken did it in modified F4s so nothing you've said means anything and later pilots are all just weak or something. Like fucking Ace Combat Zero or something.

You're fixating on really weird things and trying to draw a contradiction from an appeal to realism without even using consistent logic. If the europeans's choice of TSF makes sense when it's based on a real world half-measure then Japan's choice of TSF makes as much sense.
Anyways this is a full on autism resonance cascade and I can't fucking stand Ivan's writing anymore.

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He tried.

>>22914627
LMAO

>>22914360
>Marimo and Meiya are alive, but their presence in TDA means that it was not their route.
Unlimited has 2 routes per heroine retard

>>22914675
NTA, that second route of the heroine is just the same end.

>>22914685
No?

>>22914627
I'm impressed that he hasn't burned himself out by now being this fucking retarded constantly

>>22914360
>Marimo and Meiya are alive, but their presence in TDA means that it was not their route
Anon...
Takeru's expression changes in annoyance when Meiya is insulted
He calls out her name during the explosion at the hive
Meiya clearly is still emotionally attached to him in her conversation with Maya
and there's specifically artwork that shows him holding the Minaru Kamui's handguard
it's obvious that TDA is Meiya's normal Unlimited ending where Takeru doesn't convince her to go to space

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Rumbling Hearts status?

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>>22914835
Yeah. You could see Makabe and Ikaruga constantly probing him for any sign of ambition. Even let French! Beatrice escape