Hazel Icarus got a kit so we got a drawing of a pretty girl--useful links--https://hobby.dengeki.com/title_re-boot/>official Reboot illustration list, missing first few entrieshttps://gundamguy.blogspot.com/2013/12/mobile-suit-z-gundam-advance-of-zeta.html>scans of some of the earlier entrieshttps://hobby.dengeki.com/comic_novel/19559/>samples of the ongoing mangahttps://m.weibo.cn/u/6199800362?>weibo page of Watership 4.5, a fan circle that makes 3d models and prints of many AoZ designs. Good insight into how they function.http://www.inask.net/blog-category-144.html>another page with their stuffhttps://archive.org/details/Advance_of_Z_The_Flag_of_Titans_Vol.1/mode/2up>internet archive has scans of The Flag of Titans compiled in 6 volumes, this is the first onehttps://jim-quail.github.io/aoz-reboot-translations>WIP translation project for AoZ Reboot, beginning with Dengeki entriesLast thread>>23648692
>>23685919Icarus confirmed Gyaru. Discuss
>>23685945she's got a sunburn cause y'know, Icarus
>>23685948Sometimes man's genius frightens me
>>23685919I always thought it's a bit strange to name the flight prototype after a guy famous for being too ambitious and reckless with flying. But it actually works out when you add in the prototype:The prototype Icarus is supposed to be a little aerodynamic, enough to support the thrusters and give it more mobility in the air. But it couldn't manage that and didn't achieve anything.The TRUE Icarus meanwhile bruteforces flight with sheer thrust and nothing else, using overwhelming brutality of science against the laws of physics and the world when following natural principles failed. It's rejecting the world by principle and WINNING>>23685945in other words gyaru is perfect for it
okay mr fujioka I have accepted you didn't get me a christmas present but what if we brought in the new year together with a hrair? haha
I love Hrairoo II so much....
>>23686675Hadn't noticed the extra.... booster bits? on the thighs.
This guy slaps your buns, what do?
>>23686788bend over
>>23686790the line between mecha discussion and ERP is worryingly thin
>>23686795I will not lie the only thing that's restraining me is that this is a blue board and I generally don't want to piss of jannies
>>23686796You're in the Titans son, you're not supposed to be a bottom
>>23686797;_;
>>23686798I guess Kamille would've fit right in then
>>23686838What’s the designation on that coke bottle, Anon?
>>23686838>>23686839Need a Monster can for a proper size comparison
So these ReZeon Quels were canonically piloted by ex-Titans who affiliated themselves with ReZeon right? Not Zeon born pilots? Just making sure I didn't accidentally create a Zeek machine here.It's odd how not very common painting the Quel in ReZeon colors is. I did some perusing for guidance and didn't find anything. Not even on Watership 4.5.
>>23686890>Just making sure I didn't accidentally create a Zeek machine here.Err, it's got the big Zeon logo on the shield and shoulderpad
>>23686902Because a Federation MS that is affiliated with Zeon. The nuance makes all the difference here.
>>23686917Well, from what little I read of the manga, the Titans pilots are treated as second-class citizens and seethe in a bar, so it makes sense that they would be made to pilot the shitty Quels.
>>23686890prettyyyyy~That aside yeah there are very few examples.In-universe it was used by Titans when they aligned with ReZeon (hence the red shield). It's not impossible a few Zeeks wound up in the cockpits during the ReZeon Founding War but it's pretty unlikely. After that they're pretty much a prop in what amounts to public executions.
Behold: the Hamplant.
>>23686970A fusion of Byarlant and Gaplant... a Gaplant! Or a Byarlant!hey wait a minute-
>>23686970I imagine this is what Gaplant would look like if it appeared in Unicorn.
>>23686788Back when Katoki was soulful
>>23686788>>23687450Chang could really do us a solid here because Bandai showed a Robot Damashii of it once almost a decade ago and that was it. Never came out.
>>23687450>>23687453We got the Deep Striker, the Ex-S and the MkV in rapid succession, and then nothing. Such a crime.
>>23687579One would think Bandai was gonna make MG Nero and atleast MG Xeku Eins. But nothing, that's it.
>>23687581What's the "base" for the Xekus? They're fed/Titans suits but they look very Zeek. Are they in the Hizack family?
>>23687593descended from some kind of a Zeon paper plan on Pezun but only as far as the overall concept goes. They seem to be brand new movable frame-based machines at most only related to Hizack and Marasai. If you know where to look you can see a little bit of Mk-II in them too.
>>23687595Really? Where are those MkII genes? At best I could see the torso and shoulder sensor being a tiny bit similar
>>23687599The torso sensor is one thing yeah, the other part is the entire clavicle/shoulder structure - they have the same structure where the movable frame sticks out "above" the torso and the shoulder is connected there rather than simply directly to the side of the chest. It's a small thing, but it's definitely intentional.
>>23687603Huh, is that spaced armor? First time seeing that in a MS
>>23687593Lore-wise, they are brand new unless Bandai wants to give it some sort of development pipeline. My theory is that Xeku series comes from The-O, a Titan's attempt to make big fat MS without compromising their movement speed.
>>23687605Honestly I could see it, it's definitely got a ton of similarities between the sub-arms and the fat bastard design
>>23687604yep it's a pretty iconic feature>>23687605I think that's really unlikely, not only is Scirocco probably too much of a bitch to share the blueprints of his personal ride but the only thing we do know about Xeku's development is that it started during the Gryps Conflict, probably after the Marasai was transferred to the Titans. Some books tend to go with that tidbit and assume there's a link between them. You can even see how Advanced Marasai of our own has some Xeku references like the head sensor and chest armor.In general Xeku's defining features are simplicity of use and reliability rather than high mobility. It's built to take punishment and handle different loadouts, essentially an evolution of the Zaku concept.
>>23687607We know Scirocco shared SOME of his blueprints with the Titans, we've got Messala boosters on Hazels after all. And we know at the very least the Bolinoak gets mass produced later on, so it's likely they looted all of his designs post-death. Not to mention he developed all his shit back in Jupiter, so some data of The-O's early prototypes could have easily made its way back to the Earh Sphere way before the man himself came back. And while on the subject of prototypes, we know about the Messala Dinofaust, but are there "early versions" of his other MS?
>>23686117>I always thought it's a bit strange to name the flight prototype after a guy famous for being too ambitious and reckless with flying.Icarus is both a cautionary tale and an inspiring one. In Greek myth's context, he was one of the first human to fly using a man-made invention along side his father, Daedalus and died because of he overrestimated the technology. Daedalus Gundam represents this aspect, sure it can fly, but the flight capability is not that good.
>>23687609Fair point honestly, even if I think he'd be more protective of The O in particular. We really don't know what's up with the Messala boosters so it's possible he shared the data for one reason or another.Not sure what you mean by Bolinoak mass production, I think we only see one other unit in F90FF and there's jovian fuckery involved there.>And while on the subject of prototypes, we know about the Messala Dinofaust, but are there "early versions" of his other MS?First off, Tyran Sword of Neofalia is in a bit of an awkward spot because the entire story is portrayed as excerpts from an in-universe book published decades after the fact. It's somewhere between "historical" fiction, scam and reality and contradicts other things like Zeta anime itself on every step really. But it can still be interpreted as true in some way if you want it to be, nothing is preventing that.Either way we have basically fuck all on the others. Palace Athene might have been planned to have Psycommu (which is probably the inspiration for Titania) and allegedly Vanishing Machine has Scirocco initially testing it as his personal close combat unit before deciding it's not good enough for him and reworking it into a support unit. But good luck confirming that, it's damn hard to find scans or pics of this manga.
>>23687607Xeku definitely has mobility strength, especially with how they can carry heavy loadouts without moving like a bunch of slugs. One of its gimmick is to discard propellant tanks to increase the speed, as well. The strong innerframe was not meant to "take punishment", it was meant for carry capacity. For The O theory, we all know Sirocco was not an engineer and didn't build the thing himself. After his death, the surviving Titans staff became New Desides.
>>23687616>BolinoakWe only see one in F90, but the characters talk about it like it's a know thing, IIRC they go "those bolinoaks are super good at hacking!" implying its capabilities are a known factor rather than being a one-off MS that appeared in like 2 battles in gryps before exploding. It exploded right? I can't remember how it goes out but I'm pretty sure the chick who pilots it dies
>>23687619>we all know Sirocco was not an engineer and didn't build the thing himselfSource on that? I thought he specifically was a super genius who did design and build his MS from the ground up, using the facilities on the Jupitris. We know every MS capable ship has some sort of MS part 3D printer so with enough time and know-how you could print entire prototypes
>>23687619>After his death, the surviving Titans staff became New Desides.No? They aren't Titans at all, they sympathized with their ideals and rebelled in response to Federation turning against Titans. The whole debacle begins before Scirocco even died.
>>23687624As far as i can tell, Revival of Zeon is still canon and there were multiple people worked on The-O. Neo The-O is a thing so i don't think The-O was ever a secret exclusive to Sirocco, at best, there was a loyalty between the Titans and they swore to keep it among themselves.
>>23687633Is that the one with the fatass Nu?
>>23687607>Xeku's defining features are simplicity of use and reliability rather than high mobility.I don't think so. Xeku Eins are very fast.
>>23687666to be fair there's not much room to maneuver in a cramped hallway like that
>>23687609I believe all of his designs were for Federation/Zeon engineer's use. The-O was actually an early version of The-O. And talk about Sirocco's design, he had Oberon and Titania before his death and years later, both of them got made into a real thing.
>>23687676*The-O II was an early version of The-O. My bad.
>>23687679>The-O II was an early version of The-OWait, the retarded TTT naming scheme originates with scirocco?
>>23687676>years later*months later
>>23687683No, according to Revival of Zeon, during the development of The-O, Zeon's former engineers were impressed by its combat potential and were secretly planning Neo Zeon's own version of The-O before the actual The-O even get to be completed. What is supposed to be a successor to The-O is actually a less fleshed out version of it.
I didn't aware Fujioka is actually disabled until now. Glad to see him still drawing AOZ robots inspite of all things.
>>23687697didn't you ever wonder why his self-insert is a disabled bunnygirl? What's most impressive is that the stroke paralyzed his drawing hand, so he learned to draw with his left instead
>>23687607> not only is Scirocco probably too much of a bitch to share the blueprints of his personal ride but the only thing we do know about Xeku's development is that it started during the Gryps Conflict, probably after the Marasai was transferred to the Titans. Some books tend to go with that tidbit and assume there's a link between them. You can even see how Advanced Marasai of our own has some Xeku references like the head sensor and chest armor. I believe Xeku Eins got completed roughly a few months before Sirocco's death. The-O and Marasai were way earlier. The reason why i suspect Xeku series to be from The-O is because they are that late into the deployment and can be converted into The-O lookalike AKA Xeku Zwei, with The-O charactersitic such as a gorillon amount of thruster and the subarms. But that's just my schizo theory. The official confirmination is that, Xeku Eins's ancestor is none other than the iconic Zaku II. They made Xeku series to be highly versatile and could be easily customized into many niche types for different purposes just like Zaku II. Technology-wise, Xeku Eins were made with 0088's latest technology, so it is safe to bet that literally any mono eyed MS during the time could be a part of its development.
>>23687710I'm not sure about the left hand thingy because that is more of a Ohtagaki thing. Judging from his blog, it seems like Fujioka has bittle bones and has to visit the hospital every month. The guy failed the genetic lottery and still managed to be successful, inspiring ngl.
>>23687717he had a brain hemorrhage, the entire right half of his body is paralyzed
>>23687719One of his medical checkup involves blood test and bone density test, so it is probably both half body paralisis and bone brittle disease. The will power to keep himself alive and drawing is beyond my comprehension.
>>23687713Ultimately, it's a different Zaku III, and it bears all the hallmarks. The actual Zaku III is ultimately a remarkably similar machine, and while there's no lineage between them it's honestly at any writer's whim to establish a tangible one between them because they are ultimately very similar. The Zaku III is an adaptable machine with high base specs to support a variety of equipment as a successor to the Zaku; the Eins is precisely the same. Ultimately whether they're truly connected as in one set of data lead to both or not, they still are - Zeon engineers were looking forward to a higher spec Zaku replacement in Pezun in the OYW, and it got refined years later into a product incorporating later technology (with some Zeon engineers still working on it no doubt given the period and who was making it and where) while the Zaku III is still the product of a different set of Zeon engineers from the OYW who went out to Axis. It really doesn't need to take much from The O, and with the inclusion of the Rosette, Dandelion and AoZ subarm machines the Zwei makes sense without The O ever existing.
>>23687713You know this menas we could make a Xeku variant ofr every Zaku II variant right?>Xeku F2>Xeku Cannon>Xeku Psycommu test type>Psycho Xeku
>>23687734Where does the Geara Doga (And Geara Zulu) fit in the family tree performance-wise? IIRC they were cheapo MS for armybuiilding, but they were able to keep up with Jegans so was their performance superior despite all the cost-cutting measures?
>>23687734Sentinel is almost 4 decades old, so i don't think there were ideas of making subarms the normal thing back then. Xeku Zwei looks quite similar to The O, which can raise some eyebrows. Conceptually, Katoki definitely designed it based on The-O. For the Eins, i don't think they are not-Zaku 3. There are alot of MS that fit this category but ultimately they are just derivatives of Zaku 2.
>>23687752Now that you mention it, does Sentinel predate ZZ? Meaning, does the Xeku predate the Zaku III?
>>23687697
>>23687759Do we know his cat's name?
>>23687742Canonically, Xeku series was supposed to be directly transioned to F91/Victory era with Xeku Drei. Scaled down and updated with modern technology.
>>23687746Its lineage is complicated and depends what sources you like. In general yeah, they were designed to be cheaper. That doesn't mean wholly inferior though. It's been said their simplicity was even higher than the Zaku III; a refined design for an organization that needed rank and file for a short war, banking on the power of psycommu machines to overwhelm the enemy in a couple of decisive battles.
>>23687755No. Sentinel took a number of designs from ZZ. The Mark V leading to the Doven Wolf is backwards in reality, for instance.
>>23687763That's unbelievably cute. It's so stubby! I feel like I could place my hand on its forehead and it would flail its arms around trying to reach me
>>23687755Sentinel happend around the same time as ZZ. It features a prototype for Full Armor ZZ Gundam called FAZZ.
>>23687766He is talking about the in-universe time period, which is a few months before Full Armor ZZ's debut.
>>23687771ZZ had fully finished airing for several months before they even started on Sentinel.
>>23687772I was actually asking about the real-life time period, completely forgetting about the FAZZ
>>23687773I'm talking about in-universe stuff. Irl, obviously Sentinel was made after the show. Ex S looks like a feminine version of ZZ for example.
>>23687778You've got strange standards for femininity
>>23687780ALICE best waifu.
This is what the ideal male body looks like. You may not like it, but this is peak masculinity
>>23687778U.C.0087.10.20 : Zaku III development has begun by this point U.C.0088.03.13 : Pezun rebllion, by this point the Xeku Eins had been produced in numbersChances are the Xeku Eins rolled out before the Zaku III did. By the way, the ZZ first appeared March 30th 0088, afterwhich the Doven Wolf began development. Dublin's drop happens in September of that year which is around when we see the Zaku III for the first time I think.Dates taken from Gundamunofficial.
>>23687780Unironically. In the story, Ex S/ALICE fell in love with Ryou and ejected his block to save him. Without all 3 blocks to form the complete S Gundam, ALICE lost her conciousness and became a regular learning computer. Find a woman that loves you like that, anon.
>>23687786Counterpoint, everything Fujoka designs are female.
The conversation started as freaky and ended as freaky. The circle of life.
>>23687805counter-counterpoint, he's designed plenty of femboys>>23687810...started?
>>23687814Conclusion, Woundwort is a futanari
>>23687826that shines new light on this pic, considering they're sisters
>>23687834Women have longer penis than men. Proven by science.
>>23687791as I remember the ZZ timeline in particular is rather shoddy and shouldn't be taken too seriously. There's stuff like events which clearly happen immediately one after another in the anime having several days between them even when it makes no logical sense IIRC. Either way, we already see Zaku IIIs during the parade at Dakar, which is a touch earlier. Furthermore more recent stuff like Twilight Axis has Haman prepare a Zaku III for Char with that being abandoned when he rejects her and goes MIA at the end of Gryps Conflict. The unit itself isn't completely fine tuned and it can be seen as a first lot prototype or something like that, but it does mean the overall design was already complete by that point even if not ready for combat. This in turn makes the whole "Zaku III vs Doven Wolf" competition a tad more confusing but not necessarily contradictory, there's other ways to interpret it.
Every time the discussion touches on Scirocco it makes me wish they went with the early draft plans for Zeta where IIRC Char was supposed to be the MC and Scirocco was supposed to be known as the Comet From Jupiter. Essentially the Federation version of Char.Not necessarily would've been better, but it would've been interesting to see.
>>23687837wtf I love women now
>>23687746Geara series were definitely up to date of their respective era. Xeku Eins were ahead of their time, but they are no match to Geara Doga if they ever met each other. And Gear Doga themselves are no match to high speed minaturized MS of the late UC era. Performance in Gundam is pretty simple to understand actually, newer = stronger.
>>23687837
For your consideration
>>23688089Mk-V variants are always fun to imaginetook me a second to pick out the TR bits in this one, they meld in really well with the rest
>>23688094Neat, at first I thought it was a Muv-Luv TSF
>>23688120here this one won't confuse youalso uh you sure that was the right pic? I reckon there's some overlap here but that's a random image for this board lmao
>>23688132Replace "elves" with "Titans recruits" and it fits the mood I was going for>picWoah. I like what they did with the rifle. This thing could probably chew through spacenoids like a woodchipper and give every 90s magazine gunpla modeler enough boners to single-handedly fix Japan's birthrate decline
I forget, can MS from Zeta to HF sustain flight in the atmosphere? Can a Jegan fly:
>>23688157a little bit, yes. Even Marasai and Hyaku Shiki have enough thrust to go airborne (more so than OYW-style jumping) they just don't have the fuel to stay that way for very long, hence subflight systems. Or specialized suits that transform to get a little bit of aerodynamics which can go a long way with making efficient use of fuel.
>>23687805what mobile suit is this supposed to be?
>>23688173can't you see the resemblance anon?
>>23688157Depends on which one. Messer can fly in average speed. Gustav Karl can sustain their movement on air via sky diving. Byarlant can fly. Overall, "flying" is not some sort of super unachievable goal for MS development, the difficulty is how to make them fly as fast as a jet, which so far, none of them can. For Jegan, i believe A type in F91 era can.
>>23688157Most can't, they can just do rocket jumps, hence Base Jabbers. Zeta in particular is all about transforming MS that CAN i nfact fly, including Gaplant, Asshimar, Gabthley, Baund Doc, and of course Zeta. I think Methuss might be able to as well? And thne there's the Byarlant, which is the first test for a MS that can fly in atmo without transforming. I don't think most ZZ MS can fly unless they transform since they're all fat fucks, and then finally the main gimmick of the two HF Gundams is finally perfecting the atmospheric flight system, Xi being the more refined version of Penelope's Minovsky Flight system (it's the same thing they put on battleships). Even going further into UC, most MS can't fly on their own until you get to Victory and Beam Rotors
>>23688188I think you along with the rest of gundam fandom overrestimate the concept of "flying". When something hops and then touch the ground immediately, that's jumping. If it hops and move around on air for a short period of time, changing direction and shit, that's just flying.
>>23688218By that definition the original RX-78 could fly since it was going up into the clouds and swatting down fighter jets. I consider "flight" being able to travel significant distances while airborne, not "jump up and then fall down uncontrollably while getting shot"
>>23688218You say this, but Gundam explicitly goes out of its way to underline that MS Flight is rare. Sustained flight is beyond the means of most MS. That's why subflight lifters are standard until small scale MS outside of transforming machines and the nutters like Byarlant.
>>23688222>not "jump up and then fall down uncontrollablyIf you travel by plane already, it feels like that even with all of professional preparation.
>>23688299>Sustained flight is beyond the means of most MSThis is such a nerdy term. Most of standard aircraft in real life can fly around 4 to 10 hours in sluggish speed, even less for combat jets. Meanwhile most of MS fight very far away from their headquarters and might last much longer on air than the actual aircraft we are having today. >Gundam doubles down on nothing can flySunrise dropped that shit since Zeta. Originally it was an excuse to sell stuff like Base Jaber but no one bought that shit so they ditched the concept entirely and regulate non fly robots to "Ground type" category.
>>23688713Uhh, no. MS don't fly away from their headquarters for hours. MS are ferried using warships and lifters to provide range. Their fuel reserves constantly hold them back from doing all this, they literally aren't capable of flying away for hours. They can fly for a few minutes, mostly. They still maintain this depiction actually, it's true in Unicorn and Hathaway is holding extremely close to it as well. Gustav Karls broke off from the fight because they lost their lifters and don't have the thrust to fly around over the ocean freely.Even G-Witch had subflight lifters, it's far from a forgotten idea in the franchise.
>>23688713>Sunrise dropped that shit since Zeta.Have you watched any series since Zeta???
>>23688704What kind of insane Kamikaze airline are you flying with?
biggus wiggus
And girls being girls
>>23689070huuuuge bunny...>>23689072cute!!!
>>23689228Would you consider Hizack a bunny?
>>23689231it's Bizack thank you very muchand yes, Bigwig is bnuy
>>23689233How progressive and forward-thinking of the Titans.
>>23689255more bisexual war criminals!
>>23689259We can excuse the gassing, the WMDs, the genocide, the police brutality, but we draw the line at homophobia. Join the Titans today!
>>23689072I've just really been very desperate for a HG Reboot style barzam and a HG Hambrabi II (Not a single clue why the aqua hambrabi took priority here)
>>23689514>I've just really been very desperate for a HG Reboot style barzamjust buy one lmao>HG Hambrabi II (Not a single clue why the aqua hambrabi took priority here)probably because a barzam + aqua ham makes an aqua barzammeanwhile you need other things on top of a ham II to make somthing that remembles the illustration designs
>>23689537This would be easy to fix if Fujioka madeanew design that's just a base MS+ 1 or 2 Hambrabi IIs.
What even is the Hambrabi II anyway? An add on pack like the Hrududu? Then why is it not called Hrududu III?And why is it called Hambrabi II when it looks less like the Hambrabi than two Hrududu's stacked together?
>>23689576It's literally Hrududu 3. It's called Hambrabi II because it imitates the capabilities of flight mode Hambrabi on its own, similar to other "II" variants
>>23689576Because two Hrududus are Prototype Hambrabi. Hambrabi two flying solo is like it's MA mode, combined with a suit it imitates its high mobility combat
>>23689583>It's called Hambrabi II because it imitates the capabilities of flight mode Hambrabi on its own>>23689587>Hambrabi two flying solo is like it's MA mode, combined with a suit it imitates its high mobility combatBut how is that any different than Hrududu I? A vaguely airplane looking thing that can fly and when attached to a MS it grants superior maneuverability?
>>23689588It's the third iteration lf Hrududu. Presumably it's the first one that can actually match Hambrabi in specs/performance. Wait a minute; wasn't Hambrabi a Scirocco design? When did they have the time to develop this thing? Or is it a ReZeon original?
>>23689588Hrududu II is the refined, production model based on the TR-6 platform. Hambrabi II is made up of two of them. It's that simple, ignore the "hrududu 3" nonsense.>>23689594Hambrabi's MA mode and binders are based on the prototype Hambrabi i.e. two Hrududus. ReZeon isn't relevant here at all, they just used the design later.
>>23689599Doesn't it also have some original parts? Like those booster pods on Vervain Rah's shoulders
>>23689594Hambrabi, like the Gabthley, was a collaborative design between Scirocco and the Titans.
>>23689612Actually yes my bad, Hambrabi II doesn't use two Hrududu units as its core, rather it's a set of parts attached onto the central "primrose + drum frame + booster pod + wing units" combo that makes up Hrududu II. It's turned around so the booster is in the front and primrose in the back and additional parts are attached on top. Specifically the binders, tail stabilizer (also echoing Hambrabi) and the beam cannon.
>>23689612The Reboot Hyzenthlay uses the same bits. Those wings are pretty much the difference. Otherwise it comes standard with the mega cannon and long boon monoeye unit frame unit thing, all of which the Hrududu II has mounted before too really, but in this specific configuration of the Hrududu II it becomes known as the Hambrabi II. It's important to note it's just a configuration of the Hrududu II, much like TR-6's configs are "IIs." Things get more complicated with the Thethuthinnang.
>>23689622>Things get more complicated with the ThethuthinnangYes and no, the fact it's also called Hrududu 1.5 ought to make it simpler - it's the middle point between them
>>23689622>>23689627Imagine being the poor sod who has to fill out the parts request forms.
Can UC ships produce artificial gravity? There's plenty of 0g scenes in ships, but then you look at everything elae like beds and toilets on the ships and they wouldn't work in 0g. Not to mention sometimes people still float while the ship is accelerating, when they should be "falling" towards the engines
https://x.com/omecha_aozr/status/2006360522053366005Fujioka's New Years wishes>>23690731there are zones with artificial gravity, for example White Base has it in the cyllinder section in the middle and on Argama it's the two spinning blocks deployed out of combat
>>23690872I don't meam to insult the guy, but what does he actualy do? Aside from publishing one (1) illustration every couple of months? He's not some Tpriyama-level millonaire that can just voast off royalties, where the fuck does he get enough money to feed hi.self? Does demgeki pay him three month's salary per page or something?
>>23690875Rehabilitating, for starters. Brain hemorrhage and half body paralysis is rather hard to adjust to I reckon.Other than that he also makes designs for Medarot and his fanbox plus the occasional other thing. Back in the day he worked on IGLOO as well. That twitter is the official one for announcing his stuff so you can have a scroll through that, it's mostly AoZ but also other stuff.And besides, I can't really think of many other mecha designers that actually release new designs more often. It's a different matter as part of an anime or manga project because it's a whole production process, but you don't really see anyone posting full blown new designs with background info attached, even every couple months. And there are times when ya boy posts them on weekly basis. Maybe he wants to build up stock or is making several at once due to a shared topic so he can have them uploaded one after another instead of something once every other month.
>>23690892>Back in the day he worked on IGLOO as well.I should watch IGLOO
>>23690938You should, it's pretty damn good. Despite what some people say it's the furthest thing from Zeekwank. And while the CGI animation is rather rough on people it leads to some fantastic dynamism and choreography in the fights.
>>23690950The first season is overall pretty good but it becomes routine by the second. That's my biggest problem with it. It's like 9 episodes total and they're just so samey.
>>23686838apparently they're making a Gouf now too. Not really relevant I guess but the silhouette with that giant beam spear thing looks hilarious
>>23691356It'a gonna be Guan Yu, China loves Guan Yu. That thing looks explicitly designed to dismemeber your own MS though
And with the year out, I can look back and say I am satisfied at how it turned out. Good times.How is your AoZ collection coming along bros? Wishes for the future? With the Icarus Hazel coming out, I'm pretty much tapped out of must haves for the future. Well, other than the High Mobility Galbaldy Beta. Which feels like a real possibility now that Bandai is revisiting Flag of Titans.That and a bootleg for the HG Hazels. Really need a cheap source of booster shields and beam rifles.
>>23691483More than anything, Fenris Wolf
>>23691483The Hygogg (actually transitioned Gaza) would be cool, though it's hardly a must-have and has zero compatibility with the rest of the line. Pf course, the big beasties like Fiver and Dandelion would also be amazing. But realistically, Rosette (including the hover unit) wouls be the best kit to release imho. Or Hrair of course, but that would require a proper illustration of the thing. Are the big arms fro. EL-ahrairah part of Thethingy (sp?) Or standalone parts? What about the shoulder pods? Actually, do we even have the multi-function pod (with included scale bathtub)?>Cheap shield boosters and riflesDoesn't watership sell those? They seem like the perfect piece to 3D print
>>23692438nta but the thing about watership is that they're not really available in the westplus their high quality stuff is probably more expensive than just a plain bootleg like the 8 dollar woundwort
>>23692439What about aliexpress or similar sites?
>>23691483Definitely said it before but very nice stuff anonMy own lineup hasn't changed much recently but I have gotten pic related and a GM III which are remarkably useful for.. things. And also just look cool. God, I love Doven Wolf so fucking much.For hopes, besides bootlegs (especially Primrose and Hrududu) I'd love to see Advanced Gaplant and/or Hrairoo II, and also more Mars Zeon suits.
>>23692527Lovely bnuy anon, do the doven arms fit without issue? >Usefuel for... thingsShare with the class
>>23692533>do the doven arms fit without issue?actually yes, they're just a regular 3mm polycap so the adapter part works perfectly. The shoulder itself is a bit loose since that relies on a thicker the peg being thicker near the base to stay stable but it's not too bad honestly. The legs are a bigger issue, the polycap holes are bigger than the peg adapter, they're completely loose and basically just laying there. Still, easy fix if you want it to stand properly.>Share with the classGM III is just a load of goodies for AoZ stuff, for one thing it uses the unicorn-era standard HGUC hands so there's a lot of options there and these can hold Hazel weapons just fine too. It's also still built to some of these older standards like the same backpack peg system as Hazel and older Mk-II.And the actual gear is very nice too, the missiles could be handy for some Kelderek-adjacent things and it's just nice to have one of these beam rifles. Didn't have a single E-Pac on hand to attach there and mimic GM Type CR's rifle but close enough.If all goes well I'll eventually get a Super Gundam and slap the G-Defenser on my GM III. Closest thing I'll ever get to having a Traitor to Destiny kit at this rate.Doven Wolf is just damn cool but the compatibility surprised me, it's technically better than Reben Wolf's lmao. It's also nice to have as a stand-in for Mk-V parts or for theorizing how it'd be as a Feddie machine - in a different sense than Silver Bullet that is. Doven Wolf's various background blurbs tend to only ever raise more questions.
>>23692588Doven Wolf is loose, you heard it here first folks.>Better than RebenReally? I thouhh Reben was built to moder AoZ compatibility standards. Is Reben even looser?
>>23692596Doven Wolf is very based, no surprises there.>Is Reben even looser?As far as I know the kit is absolutely fantastic, it's just ironically more inconvenient for mixing with Woundwort because of the leg structure. You gotta disassemble the whole thing and replace the knee part instead of, say, Barzam where it just uses that type of connection anyway. I guess this is more solid though. Reben's arms use ball joints but I think it's the same diameter as Barzam's so no issue there.
>>23692606Wonder if we're ever getting the Reben variants like the white one or the Geymalk incest baby
>>23692611Probably, from what I've seen the runner gates are built for some modularity so at least they won't have a hard time with that.Munsky's Custom is entirely possible at any point honestly, Bandai just takes their time with this shit. For Fenris Wolf I'd figure it will only become more likely as time goes on since it'd be easy to reuse Geymalk runners for the mother funnels - but we need the Geymalk to be in the works as well for that. Which I think it will be, they are slowly starting to release ZZ suits now.
>>23692620>they are slowly starting to release ZZ suits now.They are?
>>23692623BonjourPsycho Mk-II is kinda there too since it's labeled Zeta but has the damaged head from ZZ and is generally more remembered for that. Plus Ple Two FRS came out at the same time.
>>23692626Oh right. The Gallus series have the uncanny ability of disappearing from my memory whenever I look away. Might be because it ruined gundam's tradition of actually good looking finger guns
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>>23692665What's the point of making a finger gun if the fingers are locked in a sieg heil pose instead of actually artivulating? Same problem with the gouf finger guns, and the reason why everyone prefers the Custom
>>23692757They're fucking cool, it's not like you would ever want to fire them while holding something anyway. And no the fuck we don't all prefer Custom.
>>23692763But the point of having finger guns is to fire at multiple targets with the articulated barrels, if you're just having them stuck in place why make it a hand in the first place? It can't grip things. Also the Gallus' gun (I think it's some weird grenade launcher?) Is also ugly as sin. And IIRC it also has a ridiculous extendo-fisto move? The whole thing is a mess>Not everyone prefers the customYou're right, some people like the flight type. And then there's those who like the electric whip, which I can respect for reasons unrelated to combat
>>23692770>But the point of having finger guns is to fire at multiple targets with the articulated barrelsNo? No it's not? The point is to have a vulcan gun and a hand at the same time. It absolutely can hold things just fine, what are you even saying anon? Quickest example I could find since you mentioned Gouf but there's examples for Gallus as well.And the extendo fists are fucking awesome, they're for better punching. God Gallus J is so cool.And regular Gouf is the coolest Gouf besides Heavy Arms. Designers who replace the heat rod with a wire and the finger guns with an arm mounted gatling are fucking cowards.
>>23692774The people who designed those wacky looney tunes weapons are the reason why Zeon lost, they kept wasting resources on Zakrellos and Juaggus. The only redeeming quality of the original Blue Zaku was having a cool pilot who jobbed less than Zakus, and having a weapon that could actually harm the Gundam easily in the penis whip. And then the whips never came up again until... Hambrabi? Victory Beam Strings? G-Rach?
>>23692784I mean, an 18 meter tall humanoid robot with hands and legs also sounds like an insane concept but mobile suits turned out to be a really fucking good idea and Zeon's main advantage. No wonder they kept trying radically unprecedented designs, they couldn't compete with something normal. And heat rods in particular are damn effective too, they can cut or electrocute as situation demands and have a lot more range than a usual melee weapon while being a lot harder to counter. Though they are limited in practical use since they're also difficult to handle. Funnily enough Doven Wolf was also planned to be equipped with them before Quasi Psycommu installation, and later Zanscare's Jabaco has classic Gouf-style heat rods as well, proving their value nearly a century later.And yeah there's stuff like Hambrabi's sea serpent but these are more so just pure electrocuting weapons and overall more common. Incidentally AoZ Winch Cannons are supposed to also be able to conduct electricity like that and function similar to sea serpents. Though we haven't actually seen that depicted anywhere and I'm a little lost on how that'd work in practice given the cannon itself is kinda enormous and it'd be hard to wrap the wire itself around something with that at the end.
>>23692838I vaguely remembered Doven Wolf having beam fingers so I checjed the wiki,and it turns out they had beam palms (minus one originality point to Destiny) but also apparemtly the wired hands hand also deliver electric shocks? So technically they kept some of the functio s of the heat rod. I question the usefulness of having a melee range electric shock from the same opening as a beam cannon, but I guess it could serve as a "non lethal" option?
>>23692847The beam gun in the palm must be relatively weak, we also see Rakan wielding a beam saber in the remote controlled hand. They use the electric shocks to restrain Mashymre before trying to shoot him down so that's another option too, it can be easier to reach out and chase and grab a moving target than shoot it. Of course, the man channels Ultra Simp powers and just tanks it all so it's rather unique circumstances.
>>23692857If your palm is literally touching the enemy you could fire the beam at point blank ramge and just kill them. And you could d it from further away, beams travel faster than rocket hands
>>23692861That's just now how any of this works. Why the hell do people keep insisting beams are instant death to anything and everything when literally every single show proves that wrong? Where does that assumption even come from in the first place?And you absolutely can just dodge a single beam, it's fired and that's that. A hand constantly chasing and adjusting is harder to avoid.
>>23692867Beams are definitely going to do a hell of a lot more damage than a bad touch shock. And the only ones who can dodge beams at point blank range are newtypes pulling Michael Jackson moves like the Cornix brothers. And if the hand is one MS length away from you and fires a beam, the beam is going to hit yoi before the hand. And it can keep shooting while adjusting course as well. Might be too much power draw for the wireless version though.
I like the Mars Zeon suits more than the TTT stuff desu
>>23692887Evidently not or we would have seen the Doven Wolves just doing that
>>23692891I don't think logic applies when fighting rose-themed newtype simps (weird how often that happens) but it's mot something I'd build a MS around.
>>23692867Most shows don't prove it wrong. Most shows have a couple of frames of something tanking beams (like ZZ especially) but you know what else they have? Beams one shot killing things all the time, constantly. The Hyaku Shiki with all its fancy gold coating? Uh oh, a qubeley funnel still acts like it isn't there. And so on and so forth. Every show has dozens of scenes of MS exploding from a single beam rifle shot.Beams are given much more weight in novels. Tomino's novels especially, but Unicorn does it too. Both Hathaway's Flash and the original Gundam trilogy have paragraphs about how brutally effective beam weapons are, both of them highlighting that a near miss is still a death sentence from stray particles swiss cheesing armour. The animation of Hathaway keeps this sequence even as the Xi activates and you can hear (and see) the stray particles bouncing withing the cargo pisa.
>>23692770>Also the Gallus' gun (I think it's some weird grenade launcher?)Fun case of errors all the way down here. They're really supposed to be e-pacs that get ejected like the beam magnum. It's kinda difficult to see with the quality of this scan, but you can see the e-pac ejection mechanism detailed here. But it got fucked up and the common assumption they're missiles won out. It's kinda like the Barzam's crotch plug and Hi Nu's height.
>>23692984Almost like beams can be defended against but it can't be guaranteed, hence everything has always focused on mobility. But that's not even close to the same thing as armor not mattering, which seems to be what people don't get.Funny of you to mention Unicorn too considering what the animation shows. And the novels kinda mean fuck all compared to that in the grand scheme of things. Nevermind we have written examples like how Xi's beam rifle is described as being particularly powerful to the point it can destroy a Gustav Karl in one shot, implying most other rifles can't manage to penetrate the armor reliably.>>23692989I really can't understand the logic of grasping onto literally 40 year old one sentence phrases as the only truth of what things are "supposed" to be when everything else, including materials from the same damn time and everything ever since, contradicts it.Is it just a pathological need to be contrarian or something?
>>23692994What is that supposed to show other than that beams effortlessly melt anything but the heaviest of armour? That's the whole point. Surely you aren't highlighting the Rozen's shield tanking it when it uses an I-Field. Beams can be stopped, shields exist for a reason, but the average MS aren't built to do it. And beams are constantly overtaking armour, offense is higher than defense through the entire setting until you pull in I-Fields.Yeah, the Gustav Karl is extremely heavily armoured for what it is. Perhaps a Jegan beam rifle wouldn't explode it in a single shot like it would almost everything else, but we don't really know until a Messer shoots one with its rifle. But beam rifles are also the most basic of beam weaponry, and there's a whole host of other machines out there using much stronger beam weapons, too. I don't think The O would feel too good after getting hit by ZZ's double beam rifle or Zeta's HML. It probably wouldn't like getting shot with its own gun, either.And certainly no production MS of the era would like to take a shot from those hand beam guns either. Just like they don't want to take a hit from a funnel.>40 year old sentence phrases as the only truthBecause the person who designed the thing knows what it's supposed to do, not other people that copy-pasted information and specs and tried to interpret it themselves, even if they do it 30 times. It was still intended another way. Why do you think this is contrarian? What? It's pointing out a detail that's been lost over the years. Shit happens. There's literally nothing contrary about it.
>>23692984Wait, Xi shits out signuficant amount of particles? I thought it was a different system from the WoL. Feels like it'd give deck crews guaranteed cancer if it does>>23692989The Gallus frame itaelf has potential, it looks like a MP version of Quebeley (I know MP qubs exist but those are actually imrpoved versions of the original, not cheapo reproductions). Give it good-looking weapons and you could have a great MS.
>>23693042>Xi shits out significant amount of particles?Well, yes, but that's not what I'm talking about. When Penelope is shooting at the Cargo Pisa and you see the beam fly by, a bunch of stray particles ping around the inside of the container in front of the Xi.But yes it does shit out an insane amount of Minovsky particles to generate the I-Field it floats on for M-Craft (and probably for the beam barrier too), but these are totally different from the particles for M-Flight which have to be significantly accelerated in particle accelerators. Here's a pic of the scene.Also being an AoZ thread hopefully you've seen the Gallus-S, but there's also the Sturm Gallus and Gallus-K (Cannon).
>>23693048>particles for M-FlightI meant M-Drive there, whoopsy. Anyway here's the novel description of that scene.
>>23693048>>23693054Interesting, so against thick enough armor, beams behave like HEAT rounds and turn into shaped charges of molten armor material. New hell-tier death found for deck crews when battleship hamgars get hit.Wait a minute.... the Grandaddy' beam can go through multiple Zeon battleships... does that meam that a Messer has thicker armor than multiple battleships?
>>23693060Not quite, it's not molten armour material. Those are stray particles from a glancing hit that had lost some coherency with the rest of the beam and bounced around. Beam rifles fire mega particles, they're like a shower of microscopic bullets all traveling the same direction. These were some of those bullets ricocheting.The MSG novels have a similar scene describing that even a miss from the Gundam's beam rifle absolutely ruins armour because of stray particles maintaining enough velocity to still, effectively, molecularly swiss cheese it. I only have physical copies so I can't pull up a screenshot though.It's also worth remembering here that Gundam is a big franchise with lots of works from different people at this point, and even just in what is by Tomino there's a decent difference in the portrayal of things in his novels vs the animation. Animation has its own set of constraints to abide by, like making sure the robots are cool and marketable and that fun things are happening to watch, and most of the people making it were just dudes doing their jobs.
>>23693075I wish the concept of beam shotguns was ecplored more. Aside from Sazabi's rifle and some MA cannons, apread beam weapons don't get much love. Feels like they would be a pretty effective weapon (and cause horrific collateral damage)
The shot from the Val Varo's beam cannon missed the GP01Fb, but the stray mega particles shedding off around the beam hit the GP01Fb's shield and create small hot craters on impact due to the intense velocity and energy, heating it up.
>>23693185Pretty shit shield if that took it out desu
>>23693192To be fair, it's a pretty big gun.
>>23693192which shields block that without breaking?
>>23693185One of my fav shots from one of my fav fightsLove the way the shield bubbles and melts just in proximity to the energy beam
>>23693202We've seen shields take direct hits without breaking >>23692994 (Talking about the ReZel here). Granted this is a much bigger gun, but since these are stray particles with 1% of the power... I'm thinking AE was already testing out the Chinesium armor they'd employ in CCA
>>23693206That's also like 15 years later when anti-beam coating already became the standard on all shields including grunt models
>>23693216Right, but we never see Zeta's shield melt like that, and the GP units are Z/ZZ tech level. Even ignoring Hyaku Shiki, I'm fairly certain shields last longer than beam travels in their general direction". This is all decade+old memories though, so I might be talking out of my ass here. 083 does have bullshit physics all around though(GP02 bazooka)
>>23693185Here's a different shot of it happening from ZZ. There's another bit of animation where a near miss from the rifle explodes an MS, but here Chara just gifts off with a little melty shoulder.You will struggle to find consistency within even a single work, let alone through different works by different people.
>>23693218The other problem is that even in-universe there isn't a consistent standard of beam cannon power, e.g., we don't really see the exact same beam cannon anywhere else so there isn't exactly an easy comparison. Every other MS/MA has a different beam cannon model that has different power levels or somewhat different effects or is tuned differently. The one other major time I remember a beam cannon just turning armor to molten slag (besides your example of Angelo's Rozen Zulu) is the Apsalus from 08th MS Team.Never mind that out-of-universe the wildly different studio teams and art directions on the various Gundam OVA\TV projects means it's already hard as fuck to compare feats visually onscreen. It might well be that as a rule in the show's production, the Zeta isn't allowed to lose its shield or get it wrecked because then it compromises the waverider mode's look and function, so the writers aren't allowed to write any scenes like that.
>>23693048The screenshot doesn't quite do the scene justice since it just looks like generic sparks, so here's a webm
It's almost like this is all made up japanese bullshit with loose rules at best as long as the final result looks cool and sells merch
>>23693250The audio really makes it too in my opinion. Hathaway's sound design is amazing.
>>23693245Yeah I think everyone in this discussion (I'm not the anon who posted Rozen Zulu, there's at least three people or one schizo posting right now) agrees that the out of universe reason is "everyone animates what looks cool", but the whole point of this thread is autistically discussing in-universe justifications and lore.Something you mentioned caught my attention though. You mentioned how every MA has a different beam cannon. Wouldn't this be the first thing to get standarized? I mean, look at IRL ammo calibers, even back in ww2 you had multiple tanks using the same gun (and sometimes AA guns!). But the zeeks figured "eyy we're already raping the budget, might as well go for a bespoke beam cannon too". Or maybe making a cannon is super easy and all you really need to cnange is the size of the aperture and how much juice the generator sends. Beam convergence is all over the place though, Val Walo and Apsaras are shooting super high convergence sniper beams and then Psycho Gundam and other "short barrel" cannons basically fire a ridiculous 90° spread
>>23693254>It's almost like this is all made up japanese bullshitNOW you get it
>>23693291Not that I disagree, but IBO works on completely different rules
>>23693268During the OYW mega particle technology was still pretty experimental as a whole for one thing, but I think something often taken for granted are the internal pieces of machines. AoZ definitely highlights it a fair bit, but there's going to be a host of parts like focusers or beam convergers etc that are likely to have standard elements between them. But also, there were multiple ammo calibers in service for german tanks depending on the gun. Same for infantry and aircraft. There were a lot more experimental ones, too, than just final production products. Some were for different roles, some were wartime advancements supplanting less effective versions. Either way the result is the same, with multiple versions of 75mm and 88mm guns. They had Panzer IVs with 75x640mm shells going to their Panthers, 75x495mm shells going to their Panzer IVs and StUG IVs, 88x571mm going to Tiger Is and 88x822mm going to Tiger IIs and Pak 43s. That's just 4 tanks and one field gun, nevermind different variants, other vehicles and other guns, of which there are plenty.
>>23693306Faie enough. The convergence issue is still all over the place though
>>23693268I feel like standardization only goes so far because while most beam guns probably use a lot of similarly functioning parts, since it's a directed energy weapon, you can change settings on it and it'll do different things, which isn't really the case with a kinetic projectile weapon where you can't really change any settings beyond aiming the gun and firing different types of ammo and maybe propellant charges.Also since MS carry beam rifles in the hand as external equipment, if they drop or lose the weapon, they usually just get a identical replacement or even steal an enemy weapon. Since beam cannons on MA aren't really modular and are usually internalized and in UC there are very few mass production MA, I can see engineers and mechanics almost custom designing and modifying a beam cannon on an MA to try to work as well as possible given the physical confines of the body and its cooling systems. That said, you're right about WWII. Even back then there was a ton more standardization in terms of not just weapons, but even engine powerplants as well. IIRC some of them could be entirely replaced as a single unit. A lot of the weirder Zeon-style anachronizisms would drive real-life designers crazy. And it's already a major problem in-universe as to why Zeon had to push the united maintenence plan near the end of the war to try to streamline designs, weapons, and tech (which may or may not have parallels to the Germans' Entwicklung series of tank redesigns).
>>23693328All this disvussion about MA cannons has me wondering, what's the lore reason for the Feds never building any MAs? The Whole point of building the Unicorn was making a machine that can bring a lot of power to a single pilot and carry around a MA-equivalent cannon but... just build a MA bro.
>>23693333They did in the forms of the Psyco Gundams, but from their perspective super expensive MAs were something of a waste when a teenager in a prototype handles them everytime they try to do anything.But really it's just a cost-benefit thing. To use the Unicorn as an example, yeah maybe they coulda just made the Neo Zeong instead of it or whatever - but it'd cost like 10x the amount. Which is why the Neo Zeong didn't exist in the novels, where the remnant group could never ever afford something like that when the Kshatriya can't even have spare parts made for it. The Feddies do have some MAs in side stories, but not many, and it's not like anyone else really uses that many of them after the OYW either. Probably because in general it works out that they're too expensive for what they do compared to making not only more MS but also entire warships for their costs. The Alpha Azieru is a great example of being the right place and time for them - a whole conflict planned around a singular battle where the surprise reveal of a super newtype fuckoff MA could have easily lead to a decisive victory (and so very nearly did really), yet in the end it still exploded to a basic MS carried grenade. Obviously for some other reasons really, but it's not like the MS grenade was super magically effective. It just hit the right place. One nearly 100m tall monstrosity that had who knows how many man hours and money poured into making, blown the fuck out by a ReGZ.
>>23693333Ideologically there's nothing really stopping the Feds from dabbling in mobile armors. You might be able to argue the Ball is a pseudo\proto-mobile armor since it doesn't quite work like a space fighter. Then there's the G-Armor system, the GP03, and the various TMS/TMA developed during Gryps. The Feds also obsessed over trying (read:paying AE over and over again) to develop a mass production version of the Zeta for years just for the waverider functionality. I'd say that the Feds not really adopting MA is more up to fiscal reasons. The Feds already adopted MS partway through the OYW and went all-in on that new paradigm, and they don't really have any complaints. Unlike the EA from CE, they don't have any ego or pride that makes them want to drop MS and develop MA instead.
>>23693369I refuse to believe the Unicorns are cheaper than more reasonable MAs, the thing is blinged out with psychoframe and I-fields from head to toe
>>23693370I don't know what that lanel is from, but judging by that Feddie's smugness I'm betting it jobs to some Zeonwank MA in one panel
>>23693387I compared it explicitly to the Neo Zeong. There are other MS that aren't Unicorn built for Anti-MA work.The Unicorn was invested into not for merely taking on MAs, but being designed to eradicate Newtypes completely. Newtypes, not just large MAs or NT MAs, were the target and the most unpredictable element of war thus far (and inextricably linked to Zeon).
>>23693392Don't worry, it gets melted by the GP02A
>>23693370it's been said that bad jims who job too hard get sent to become part of the fleshwall, suffering for eternity
>>23693418I think they hired engineers from Metroid's federation, they love putting that shape everywhere
>>23692588>If all goes well I'll eventually get a Super Gundam and slap the G-Defenser on my GM III. Closest thing I'll ever get to having a Traitor to Destiny kit at this rate.based
>>23693830Is thid mesnt to resmeble a cherub? It' got wings and a bow & arrow. Coulf even argue it's wearing a diaper
>>23693834I'm sorry, what?
>>23694074Sorry, had a stroke. I said>Is this meant to resemble a cherub? It's got a bow and arrow, wings, and it could even be argued that it's wearing a diaper
>>23694079I uhThe spelling wasn't the cause of my confusion, in fact I didn't even notice it
>>23694242I mean, take a good look at it. Imagine if the blue parts were pink instead; and it fired heart-dhaped beams. Cupid MS right there. Works better than the MkII since it's a lot more rounded
>>23694244How do you even come up with an idea like that lmao
>>23694292tism
>>23694302Must be a different flavour than mine ig
>>23694292>>23694302>>23694318You lack vision
>>23694302Required for /AoZ/
The new material drought is driving ua insane. We're gonna start discussing things like "which woundwort has the tightest bussy"(the white one) unless we get some crumb of hope. Hell' eben a reference in side manga or a relevant monthly mobile machine would do!
>>23694540If it's any consolation Haze'nthley II Rah is gonna be added to GBO2 soonish. There isn't really much new to pore over until Fujioka is well
alright /aoz/, TR up this random Messala custom from some build fighters thing. I feel like it's 3/4ths of the way there, just need to tweak some parts.
>>23694933Cpuld probably make a pretty coose approximation of this using Hrairoo and TR parts. The "nosecone" can be a winch cannon, and if you're feeling insane you might be able to fit bigwig cannons on rhe shoulders, or maybe even two gaplant boosters to really turn your pilot into paste.
>>23694933that white part with a red eye thing on the back reminds me of the high mega cannonI think that could look pretty well on a Messala actually. Only usable in the MA mode I guess, but that'd be a neat contrast to Advanced Hrairoo.
>>23695177Having MA-mode exclusive guns is AoZ tradition, just look at Hazenthley II's shoulder guns. Hell, doesn't Woundwort have bum guns?
>>23695183Haze'n-thley II's shoulder guns aren't really limited like that since they can just do... well, pic related. Woundwort has a vulcan gun in the regular booster pod and the multi-connector type has a beam cannon yeah. But the latter is also used in other things like on Haze'n-thley II Rah's crotch or in Hambrabi II where it's facing forwards in "default" form. It's really just multifunctionality.Though MA-only weaponry isn't anything new anyway, hell Zeta itself only uses its beam sabers as beam guns in Waverider mode.
>>23695184Aren't Zeta's beam saber guns super shitty laser pointers anyways? The Zeta Pluses ohtright replaced them with proper cannons. Which makes me wonder, do Zeta Pluses even carry sabers?
>>23695194Yes it does, they're in the hip gunsAnd sure Zeta's beam guns aren't particularly powerful but it's still good to have
>>23695195The nosecone shield is one of the coolest elements of the Zeta family. We kinda got something similar with the chest/crptch winch units but it'a not the same. (Also the Stutzer units I guess). Speaking of Stutzer units, did anything come from them? Maybe some ReZeon or Mars Zeon descendants, or the AEUG branch that recovered the TR-S? Imagine if the AoZ Gundamhas shoulder mounted AEUG shield boosters
>>23695202They took cues from stuff like their winch units and just loading a shit ton of missiles onto a suit. Obviously zeon remnants weren't the only source of these ideas but facing them directly in combat and seeing how they use improvised weapons in guerilla combat was a source of inspiration.
>>23695206Howany Purus can you fit in those containers? And do you think they ever accidentally hit laumch on one thinking it was full of missiles? We really need more details om the things than a tiny scribble
>>23695214Depends are you shipping for bulk or comfort? It can fit a very cozy looking bathtub, so I'd say up to 10 Purus won't have any trouble at all. For volume, well... that'd rather hard to calculate I think.It really is fucking absurd that back in Flag of Titans some of the options were covered up and remained a mystery but now we have the whole thing except it's TOO FUCKING SMALL TO SEEMasterful troll, truth be told.
for the record, the full drawing
>>23695194they're still able to damage enemies, kamille uses them to snipe a hizack's arm to save fa onceeven the tiny beam gun port on the G-defenser core fighter was able to headshot a Hizack
>>23695230The DANGAR censorship is still there, but the new option on the left looks like the weird halfway opening cannons that the G-gen queenly uses
>>23695240Man, Kamille really was heads and shoulders above the other pilots, wasn't he. If he hadn't gotten Scirocco'd he probably could've solo'd Haman and then split Axis in half with the Zeta's EXPAND DONG saber
>>23695244kamille does fight haman before getting mindfucked, the biosensor didn't power him up but instead it somehow forced him and haman to share a mental link insteadshe's angry after kamille was able to peek into her memories with char, but kamille manages to damage the qubeley and it forces her to escape
>>23695240nitpicking really but G-Defenser's Core Fighter has laser guns actuallyNot much difference in practice, though.>>23695241the DANGER one is just a catch-all for other shit while implying it's something nasty without stating anything. Excuse to imagine your own stuff, really. Though it reminds me of how Zeta SECRET weapon options for the arms, even if in this case it's just indicating INCOM tech is secret.
>>23695253He planted shotacon thoughts into her mind
>>23695257No puru options? The inferior side won Gryps.>DANGAR means other nasty shitProbably all the warcrime pods they fit into Psycho Inle. Nukes, poison gas, intrusive ads, etc.
>>23695270Ah, but if Purus happen to die in range they might get stored in the Biosensor! Or the Biosensor will let you reach them wherever the hell they are now, nobody really knows how it works. Either way, soul storage or soul cloud storage is built into the base unit!>Probably all the warcrime pods they fit into Psycho Inle. Nukes, poison gas, intrusive ads, etc.Could be, but for Inle these aren't hidden so it'd be a little weird. Only thing I feel confident saying is they're not NT weapons because there's a bit container listed right above. Very interesting to have that on a Titans unit at that point too. I guess they saw Qubeley in action at that point and put two and two together on the funnels so they're at least theorycrafting equipping the weapon container with gear like that.
>>23695332Vould also be Elmeth and Zeong inspired. Hell, they were already working on payvho gundam so bits, funnels and INCOMS were all on the table>Purus into the biosensorRemind me, does the ZZ have one? Because the the MP Qubs involved a ton of incinerated Purus (Most of ZZ is a blur to me so I can't remember how any of them die though). Sucking up their souls would be a nightmare, imagine booting up your MS and suddenly you hear like the voices going "Puru Puru Puru"
>>23695347The Federation's newtype weaponry development is far behind Zeon's and funnels were out of their grasp for a while.ZZ has a biosensor, but ZZ doesn't really fight the MP Qubeleys. That would be Chara. ZZ/Judau doesn't kill any Ples.
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https://x.com/metalbuild_suki/status/2006129650456564136
>>23695257God I want to see these used in something
>>23696443That's cool, did you make this?
>>23696445found on reddit, this guy made a whole bunch of animations like that user/Other_Economist2610/
>>23697847Man I love Hiana's Barzams. They're so creative and well thought out, it all fits together so fluidly. Testament to Fujioka's designs as well, of course.Makes me want to grab a bunch of kits and kitbash these. Yearning for bootleg Barzam continues.
What was the extent of Murasame Lab's involvement with the TTT? We got the Psycho Gundam limbs, but the only mentions of newtypes and cyber newtypes come from OVER THE MIND. Did TTT have any actual Cyber Newtypes, maybe in one of Bask Om's personal death squads? Could the missing Murasame clones like picrel have feasibly piloted bunnies?
>>23698559*Not clones, cyber Newtypes
>>23698559BUNNyS is made using Cyber Newtypes, Black Hares were the ones in charge of gathering data for that which includes handling the Cyber Newtypes.
>>23698568Are there any named ones or just the kid from Over The Mind? And The rabbit girl who is totally not the author's self insert?
>>23698575Several major characters in Inle are Cyber Newtypes, though they're somewhat... non standard.
>>23698648>non standardIs this codeword for "big ass"?
>>23698672no, the code for that is "goals"they're not normal Cyber Newtypes because they're clones carrying (some of) the memories of the original people that sent them on the task to retrieve Inle - the three researchers who began laying the foundations for the Tristellar before the Universal Century began>>23698648goals
>>23698680>Chibified WundyThat's incredibly cute. What does the star represent?>CatlAre they in fucking Moon Moon?
>>23698686>What does the star represent?the "shining star" is a running motif in the manga, it means different things to different people but the short version is it's a distant ambition and goal. There's lots of room for more musings and interpretations though, it's best to read the manga. Only the first two volumes are translated so far but these have a lot of food for thought, honestly really well written stuff.>Are they in fucking Moon Moon?For all we know, sure. It was a worker machineused during colony construction in general but it's really funny to imagine it's Moon Moon specifically
>>23698698It's totally gonna end up being a supremely evil and cursed final boss MA. The Morning Star has a very specific narrative meaning after all.
Kinda crazy this is our only official art of Woundwort with Gigantic Arms
I do believe this is relevant information for this thread
>>23699278So Sentinel kits are fucking dead or what?
>>23699419weird thing to say when Sentinel went something like a decade from its initial kits to the HGUC Z+ (which was for Unicorn anyay) and then almost another decade to get the MG S variations + 1.5 + FAZZ + MKV.
>>23699278What does this mean? Metal Build S Gundam? Make some Xekus already you cowards
>>23699428Not Metal Build, it is a mid range priced action figure line called Metal Robot Damashii. That announcement is for new S/Ex S Gundam fig.
>>23699425All of those are Gundam ( arguably FAZZ is a Gundam-esque machine ). I don't see Bandai making kits for Nero and Xeku, not with their current mindset in business.
>>23699428They kinda did. HG Xeku Eins is a thing, unfortunately reprint never ever. Xeku Zwei has an action figure. The thing that doesn't have kit and merchandise ever would be Zod iacok, but again, who gives a shit about that thing?
>>23699485Xeku Eins gets a reprint once in a blue moon, it's something. Also Nero has that robot spirits figure I think?Anyway I am God's strongest Z'od-iacok fan, Neue Ziel wishes it was this cool.
>>23699483no one saw them making an MG Mark V eitheror a RE100 Den'an GeiI wouldn't be that surprised to see an MG Nero crop up sometime, I'm not holding my breath for it or anything but you seem to forget Bandai's releases can be completely fucking random. I'd be a little more surprised at a Xeku since I think every Nero has a Ka signature but the Xeku is still figureless.>>23699485It was reprinted a couple years ago as I recall, though I missed out on grabbing one then. I'd personally love a Zodiac. It's one of my fave MA designs.
>>23699485>Xeku Zwei has an action figurethat is a bit misleading
>>23699488I thought the Zodiac Cock got retconned out of existence due to copyright issues. Speaking of copyright, it was my understanding that Bandai had the rights to the mobile suits but not characters and names, meanign they can print "Ex-S Gundam" but they can't use the pilot. But then why can they use Alice? She's also a character.
>>23699493>But then why can they use Alice?I don't remember her ever showing up in EXVS or SRW/G Gen.
>>23699491It is a toy similar to G Frame. Sure you have to assemble it abit but most of it are prepainted and partially completed.
>>23699493Zod Iacok itself is a retcon. In the original run of Sentinel, the final boss was Xeku Zwei. Model Graphic introduced Zod in the reruns under the label of Gundam Wars series. >Why can they use ALICEThey can use almost anything, but that is a liscencing hell behind their backs. That is why Ex S takes so long to be reprinted, even though she is the main Gundam. Even the manual book for the kit features stuff from Sentinel.
>>23699488Imo, i would accept a non grade kit for Zodiacok. RE100, Full Mechanics or whatever the fuck Bandai wants to label the line as. This thing is abit of an overkill to make MG out of it.
>>23699493please for the love of god stop thinking there's a holy canon to gundamhttps://zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=12351You can read everything we truly know about the rights disputes here. Nothing is clear cut like "bandai can't use this." It's just a big mess of things. The Zodiac did appear in G Gen F though.>>23699499Not as a character, no, but everything the S/Ex-S is in has some manner of ALICE mode or attack that I can think of.
>>23699489Dennan Gei is a 14cm tall kit, effectively a "HG" in term of details. Xeku and Nero are much bigger. I agree that MKV is a surprise, but then again, Gundam.
>>23699509You realize how fucking big it'd be even in 1/144, right? The only real way I'd want a Zodiac model would be in something like 1/550 like the HGM Neue Ziel. Hell, it could be 1/1700 and fit in with the EX ships. That would probably be the model I'd want most. Pairing it with a Pegasus III is all I could really ask.
>>23699493nobody knows and nobody really cares that much to be perfectly honest
>>23699513If they make something like a non scale version of it for the sake of photography, that would be fine. Bandai had the balls to make 1/100 Deep Striker afterall.
>>23699512Den'an Gei coulda been an even smaller 1/144 kit if they wanted, or it could just not be made and instead could have been another Gundam. Or just another reprint batch of Unicorns.
>>236995221/100th Deep Striker would be downright tiny compared to the one and a half metre long monstrosity that'd be a 1/144 Zodiac
>>23699523Formula stuff sells well enough to guarantee Dennan Gei's existence and on top of that, it doesn't sit on a liscensing hell.
>>23699509don't they have a special line for the ships like White Base?
>>23699535They have a line called HG Mechanics for miniaturized MAs. But the line is dead and long forgotten.
>>23699525Nero sold well enough to get 3 Ka signatures despite licensing HellSentinel designs are all quite popular which is why despite all the problems shit still gets made of them, and its popularity endured the whole time from creation til now unlike Late UC which spent two decades being unmarketable. Even today there's no getting around what might be the biggest name in Gundam merchandising (Katoki) being linked to the property as a whole. There's only so many things that really have the pedigree Sentinel has in the fandom.>>23699535that's the 1/1700 EX line I mentioned, though the EX line is for more than just ships and also has some other kits in there like 1/144 Oggo.
>>23699540Probably because Sentinel is Katoki's best work. A shame he never returned to the Sentinel style for his designs
>>23699539in fairness other old lines got sudden returns like RRR iircstill, HG Mechanics suddenly bringing fucking Zodiac of all things would not be on anyone's bingo card
>>23699543>Good news everyone! We've decided to release a RE/100 Dvinidad
>>23699540Sentinel is inbetween popularity and obscurity. Ex S is well known due to being " The first Gundam Katoki designed" and FAZZ is popular enough to retcon the actual Full Armor ZZ into having a cannon. However, things like Nero, Xeku and several other robots featured in the photo magazine don't get that much buzz. If you ask any normies about Alice and Ryo, they would say " Who the fuck is that and what do they have anything to do with Ex S Gundam?". It is a complicated situation for Bandai when there is so many paperworks to do and the product is not a guaranteed victory.
>>23699542I think the basic S is an exceptional design but the V and V2 are insanely beautiful and basically distil the S into an even smaller, sleeker, and somehow more complex package. They're all really amazing.Shoutout to the S-Attacker, it's in the running for my favorite transformations of the franchise. The only thing I don't love about the Ex-S is that I think its changes to the torso transformation are inferior. Pretty cool he managed to work two transformation methodologies into it though, that's impressive in its own right.
>>23699545I'd cum.
>>23699545bandai would really do this and still not give me a quavarze
>>23699547I dosagree. The V2 looks nice but its NOTHING like the Sentinel designs. Sentinel is all hard angles and long shapes, and the victories are rounded shapes and soft edges. Try to find any straight lines in picrel, now look at any Sentinel design's head. They're both good for different reasons but I don't think they look similar. And personally, I find the Victory transformations to be pretty lame, almost Wing-tier
>>23699550Quavarze has potential to be an amazing design if they replace the weird tokusatsu whips with more conventional weapons. The body itself is great, I love the tall head
>>23699546>retcon the actual Full Armor ZZ into having a cannonCommon misconception actually, it's FAZZ that nicks the giant beam cannon from ZZ IRL. It originates from the Super G-Fortress from ZZ MSV which is like the opposite to Full Armor as it's focused on MA form instead.
>>23699542Honestly, modern Bandai is like poison to any artists. I was Yamashita's big fan until i saw the abominations he made for Gquxx. Katoki got exposed to such environment for too long, he is beyond saving.
>>23699556Silence. The beam circular saw whip is the best part.
>>23699553I don't think they look similar at all. But functionally they incorporate the same design element of a 3 part combiner/transformer just like the S. The fact they don't look similar is what I like most.>Almost Wing tierI don't really know how you can say this when Wing's transformation amounts to rotating its torso and flipping its shoulders down. V and V2 are incredibly intricate designs. More effort went into the corefighter transformation alone than anything from Wing, except maybe that time Okawara got absolutely shitfaced and designed the Wing Zero's feet.
>>23699560Elaborate on that feet point, they look normal to me. >Core fighterFair point, I forgot it had a Macross-style mechanism. I wonder if it predates the VF1?
>>23699556I agree with the other anon. The whips are the best part. The whole design is fucking great. Rosemary agreed and wrote it into canon and her daughter drew you as a basedjak for saying this.
>>23695549Same energy
>>23699561They feature a surprisingly (and needlessly) complex transformation mechanism to rotate a thruster. I don't really know a good source of art to really highlight it clearly, but there's a whole mechanism where the heel opens up so that the thruster normally sandwiched between the toes and heel can rotate to face down while the rest of the foot goes into the leg. In general the entire transformation of the legs and feet is remarkably complex despite the rest of it not being so at all. The MG Proto Zero simplified it, but the RG faithfully recreates it. This is the best I can find that details it.Macross and the VF-1 predates everything Gundam except the original. Zeta featuring so many transformers is because of Macross popularizing it.
>>23699557I'm not talking about where the cannon came from. The reason why later intepretation of Full Armor ZZ having the cannon as default was due to a specific modeling work featured in Model Graphics. Bandai liked it and made a 1/144 kit for it. It was white colored, with mega cannon as its main weapon. This design got cannonized in UC, named FAZZ with some minimal changes. Most of people really love this thing and Bandai felt the same, and ever since, Full Armor ZZ has mega cannon, minus the fully white body.
>>23699573And here it is in model form just highlighting the weirdness of the final stageMaybe I'm overselling its strangeness, but it's just a weirdly complex detail for a gundam that otherwise transforms by putting a shield on its head, rotating its torso and laying down
>>23699575Receipt from Fazz Ver Ka manual, too.
>>23699579You realize that's saying the FAZZ was made because the ZZ was modelled with the gun first, right? The FAZZ came about from adding the gun to ZZ in the first place. Before the FAZZ was made for Sentinel, it was just an illustration of FA ZZ from the anime with a big gun. Then it became the FAZZ for Sentinel.
>>23699578You should see ReZel's transformation. Such a weirdly complex and finicky transformation process just to result a robot doing yoga with a gundam stick into its ass.
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>>23699581I honestly love the Methuss frame transformations. They're neat and I like how well they interlock together in MA modes. Zeta is still one of the most complex transformers of the franchise though, if not the most complex. The entire torso and hip transformation of it is nightmarish. I don't really have anything against such intricate transformations, I like them more to a point, I just find Wing Zero's feet to be a big oddity in its design. Everything's simple but here's one weirdly complex feature to make the model kit designers earn their pay.Personally all I really ask is that MA modes manage to avoid looking like a robot laying down really. Even then I still like Wing and Wing Zero, I just don't give a single fuck about their bird modes. And if you're gonna have a lazy transformation at least be a weirdo like Hambrabi.
>>23699580>it was just an illustration of FA ZZ from the anime with a big gun.No, the illustration got drawn around 3 months before the kit's release. And before this, it was a build made by Model Graphix's inhouse modeler. Full Armor ZZ was not meant to have this cannon as the main loadout without this specific "White Full Armor ZZ" prototype design.
>>23699580>FAZZ was made because the ZZ was modelled with the gun first, right? The FAZZ came about from adding the gun to ZZ in the first place. Before the FAZZ was made for Sentinel, it was just an illustration of FA ZZ from the anime with a big gun.The anime is the canon intepretation. ZZ doesn't have that gun in the anime and it wouldn't have changed anything if the extra material wasn't popular. Sazabi has a long rifle in one of the artwork, too and majority of its modern illustrations and modelkits don't have that.
>>23699580And btw, fun fact. "FAZZ" was originally the real deal lmao.
>>23699587You say it wasn't "meant to" but you're mixing up things here. This got drawn as the ZZ. This isn't the FAZZ, the FAZZ didn't exist yet. The FAZZ got created because this was cool. This drawing was made because Mika Akitaka had created the Super G-Fortress lineart in the 1/100 ZZ kit manual that came out in 1986. A model was created for this Super G-Fortress in Gundam Wars II, after which came this piece of art by Akitaka. This is not intended to be nor is it the FAZZ, because again, it didn't fully exist yet. The FAZZ took from THIS drawing, which again, is just Mika Akitaka drawing a ZZ with the Super Fortress gun.>>23699589Yeah, because the model was rebranded to be the FAZZ to promote Sentinel which had decided to now make the FAZZ design. They repurposed the planned FA ZZ kit into this, and it served two roles. As you can see, it isn't really the FAZZ by any detail which denotes it, because it was just a last minute change.>>23699588I'm not talking about anything lore-wise at all. I'm talking real production history. FA ZZ now has that gun whenever they want to, again, all because Mika Akitaka drew this image of it.
>>23699592And here's the model kit referenced in the MG FAZZ manual which directly lead to Akitaka drawing the FA ZZ Gundam with this gun (not the FAZZ, which yet again, existed because of this and not the other way around).
>>23699588that's such a fantastically stupid attitude, jesus christ it sucks when this thread gets more activity because people like you come here
>>23699583Don't think I didn't see that
>>23699596And of course, here's the art that started it all actually, again: designed for ZZ. FAZZ wouldn't exist for quite a while after this was already in the hands of the public. Because it came from the ZZ, and the gun was made for ZZ.
>>23699585I think the robot yoga transformation can work if they are mechanically complex enough to hide the fact. But as a trade, the robot looks weird as fuck, such as Woundwort, Anksha, Asshimar and Gaza
>>23699585>ZetaIt might be the most complex in the franchise, but from a practical stability standpoint splitting the hips like that is a terrible idea. It's not a coincidence that most Zeta kits are hand grenades
>>23699603oh waow I love this art
>>23699588Always loved this rifle. It ended up getting used somewhere else right?
>>23699605The Gelgoog III uses it, and a variation of it splicing it with the Nightingale's rifle.
>>23699605Gelgoog III as stated and also Prototype Sazabi from Moon, it had a resurgence ever since the Ver Ka kit featured it
>>23699614MG or RG? Also, do we know who did the original illustration? Reminds me of some of the Gaia Gear illustrations
>>23699592>This got drawn as the ZZ. This isn't the FAZZAgain anon, you didn't read the manual scan i just posted. That artwork got drawn like 3 months before the kit's release, something Bandai probably spent a year prior to produce, which inspired by nowhere else other than Model Graphix and the kit itself got branded as a Sentinel kit. And to clear things up, "FAZZ" is not quite its own thing, it is a slightly redesigned ZZ Gundam made to fit Sentinel's artstyle. Even the manual calls it a grey colored Enhanced ZZ Gundam. You can argue like " Oh actually ZZ Gundam always had that cannon, the anime just doesn't show it" and whatever you want to say, if it wasn't for Model Graphix, Sentinel and "FAZZ", Full Armor ZZ wouldn't have that cannon. It got influenced and changed, straight and simple.
>>23699616Only MG Sazabi ver Ka has that rifle. If you want to look for it in 1/144 scale, it is locked behind the Pbandai version of HG Moon.
>>23699621fug
>>23699620>"FAZZ" is not quite its own thinganon I'm sorry but I think you're dang illiterate
>>23699627I'm not gonna fight againts the manual book. If Bandai calls it ZZ Gundam then it is. They are just ZZ with incompleted Full Armor system, who cares?
>>23699633I'm saying you literally cannot read plain text in the manual and interpret the information correctly.
>>23699616Hiroyuki Haitake drew that Sazabi art. He pitched the idea of Unicron in Transformers, let that sink in.
>>23699637Clearly Char was thinking too small with the Sazabi.
>>23699616Hiroyuki Hataike drew that art of the Sazabi. Gaia Gear's designer is Mamoru Ito. Here's one of his drawings of the Nu HWS.>>23699620I did, in fact, read the manual scan. You seem to have not read it though, or anything I said. That art is of the FA ZZ, full stop. It's literally called the FA ZZ, it is using a gun developed well before Sentinel was in production FOR the ZZ, and FAZZ was created because of it. Several designs were created for ZZ's second half that didn't make the cut and got repurposed for Sentinel, such as the Zeta Plus. The FAZZ is a similar story, where it was repurposed from this very art. It's really funny you say "something Bandai probably spent a year to produce" because it just belies you are just completely bullshitting. The FA ZZ design wasn't even finalized until November of 86, barely a dozen episodes and a couple of months before it debuted on screen. It's really funny you think Sunrise was orchestrating all this shit so far in advance. They weren't. The ZZ itself wasn't even finalized until a month before the series aired, and it went through several redesigns until then. 1980s Sunrise was flying by the seat of their pants doing all this shit.
alright all you nerds shut up, a work of art has been made
>>23699639That's not HWS, that's FA Nu! The most under-represented design in all of UC with the weirdest/coolest beam rifle
>>23699635You went all the way just to say the biggest denial i have ever seen, even when Bandai themselves admitted to the fact that they love the idea of ZZ having that cannon mounted AKA "FAZZ". And not once have they ever credit the MSV design. Suddenly every modelkit and action figures of Ful Armor ZZ after Sentinel has this shit. Is it that hard to regconize a media's credits and influence?
>>23699642>>23699639man I love this fellastill waiting for some updstanding bootleg makers to drop a third party kit of that for 1/144. We had the HMBL and HWS years before Bandai's kits and now MP Nu's backpack too
>>23699642It's really just his own take on the HWS Nu though.
>>23699643what argument are you even trying to make, your post is incoherent, not a single soul is saying anything bad about Sentinel here
>>23699645In-universe, it's a more refined version of HWS, with the new parts replacing the Nu's parts instead of just being slapped on top of the base plates
>>23699647I'm just speaking in real terms, not in-universe. Not arguing anything.
>>23699623The PB Moon Gundam has a bootleg of it floating around at least.
>>23699645eh only silly people care about irl nitpicking>>23699647not exactly, it was actually proposed earlier but exactly because it tries to do more new stuff rather than using Z and ZZ series parts and data for quicker development
>>23699650It's funny that Amuro's "ultimate" Gudnam is a half-finished pile of half-measures and poorly-understood tech just kinda jury rigged to work. And they were surprised when it went Dwemer on them. I always forget, is Hi-Nu meant to be the "perfected" Nu or just a different proposal?
>>23699643You keep bending over backwards when the one source you want to reference says "After the TV broadcast of Gundam ZZ, a modeling example of the FULL ARMOR ZZ GUNDAM equipped with a Hyper Mega Cannon..."Wow, now how could art of the Full Armor ZZ Gundam with a Hyper Mega Cannon be the inspiration for FAZZ if, somehow, FAZZ came first?
>>23699654Hi Nu and Nu's relationship is complicated. Your answer depends on what source you want to follow. It's been poised as the completed version when given enough time, or just an alternate version of the Nu.Originally it was the exact same machine as the Nu using the same specs but with a different appearance, but last minute MS spec changes made the CCA machines taller in their profiles and Beltorchika's Children had the pre-release specs. That's why they're different heights, BC's height was simply never changed to match the CCA ones.
So I've been studying the Kehaar II because I to note where do I need to paint details, and I realized it's beam rifle/cannon is missing the side handle for the Hazel rifle.Effect Wings released the Kehaar II rifle and this indeed the Kehaar II rifle.Maybe Fujioka just forgot about the handle.
>>23699658wait, base Nu is taller?
>>23699654there's two points of view: Hi Nu is just Nu of Beltorchika's Children and Hi Nu is the refined, "perfected" version of Nu Gundam that's actually complete and has fully integrated Psychoframe instead of a last minute addition.
>>23699662By the commonly listed specs, yes. If you buy most models, the Nu and Hi Nu are completely different in construction because of this. The RGs are the only ones to give them the same height.
>>23699660Which handle are you talking about? Got any pics where it does show up?
>>23699662
>>23699666The side handle you commonly see in UC Gundam rifles.It's here in all the configurations of it.
>>23699669I always liked that, it feels appropriate Amuro's "true" final suit is more streamlined like that, ahead of its time in that one way while still being so nice and bulky too. Very unique vibe.
>>23699666>>23699670But in the Kehaar II FoT illustration it has no handle.
>>23699674time and space are convoluted in Konfeito
>>23699670>>23699674I guess it could be removable
>>23699672Personally I loathe it because it's the exact sort of stupidity that happens from a mega corporation not giving a fuck. Hi Nu's a bulky ass dude compared to Nu, and it's weird as Hell to be smaller and fatter when the whole era is about being bigger. Nevermind that it's in the name and design, they're so closely linked in all elements it's just dumb to not be the same frame.
>>23699682sorry you feel that way, hope you get better
>>23699685I've been suffering for 25 years but the RG brightened my life.
>>23699682I think it's also dumb that we never got a funnel-equipped protagonist gundam ever again. Unless you count Moon.
>>23699687if it makes you feel any better Katoki likes to think the V2 has psycommu and the VSBRs are bits, so there's nothing stopping you from thinking that too
>>23699689how does that work?
>>23699687>I think it's also dumb that we never got a funnel-equipped protagonist gundam ever again.Uh Strike Freedom? 00 Quanta? Age FX? Aerial?
>>23699695in UC
>>23699689Bwuh? I don't think I ever heard of anything like this.
>>23699694>>23699697It's just something from the production of the V2. It isn't a final design element, but that's where Katoki's brain was.
>>23699699wonder how that would've ended up working. Maybe like that UC engage Nu variant with the single massive funnel
>>23699699Ooh that's neat, guess that's why V3 has them
>>23699687There's also F90 N and Mars Gundam, plus Seerauber Silver Snow
>>23699704None of those are protagonist Gundams aside from the F90, right?
>>23699706Mars Gundam is the protag suit in Cluster and in Seerauber all three girls are the main characters
>>23699708Based SNRI saving UC
>>23699709Well uh both of these are based on SNRI models sure, but they were made by respectively martians and jovians
>>23699713I think a good copyright lawyer could argue against that in court
>>23699700>>23699701I suspect a lot of V3 came from design notes. It's worth always remembering that V technical stuff is somewhat sparse, and a lot of the tech in V is just not really that iterated on. The way it manipulates the beam barrier bits of the Mega Beam Shield has led to ideas it has psycommu; but even past that, V as a whole era employs a lot of remote weaponry without really specifying anything. See the Rig Contio, which ditches the wire on the shotclaw but isn't listed with a psycommu, nevermind Usso controlling the V parts remotely too. Not much is ever said about this, but it's suggested both Contio and Rig Contio might be using psycommu. Like a lot of things with V lore though, it's merely "suggested" and never said. There's generally an idea, partly from Gaia Gear, that psycommu eventually is refined enough to work with normal people, but it hasn't really been iterated on. The V2A is notable on this subject too because Katoki considered the golden elements to be psycoframe in his initial design concepts, but again this explicitly didn't carry over to the final product.If the whole late UC push continues to V as it seems, we might finally get a concrete answer to some of this stuff. Maybe we'll get an actually-for-really-real confirmation of who made the V and V2 finally.
>>23699722We know who made them, LM
>>23699722nowadays it's implied there's a lot of quasi psycommu available in the era
>>23699722>who made the V and V2 finallywasn't it the League?
>>23699699A different quote from Katoki on the design process:>When I was designing the V, I was thinking ahead to the existence of the V-Dash from the very beginning, but I didn't initially have that kind of enhancement plan in mind for the V2. Then came various requests from the parties involved, and I put these designs together after that. As for why I did two types, "Assault" and "Buster," that was based on the work order. Then I tried to design them with a meaning that made sense to me, or rather, while thinking about their reason for existing.>For example, I thought of the additional golden armor parts on the "Assault" as having a kind of psycommu functionality. Combined with elements like VSBR rifles and a mega beam shield, that positioned the machine as a psycommu weapon. The "Buster," on the other hand, was designed with the idea of equipment that augments its normal weapons. I don't know if they'll be used this way in the animation, but as shown in the illustration, the "Assault" and "Buster" parts were made so that they won't interfere with each other if they're both used at the same time.Also pic of the VSBRs>>23699722I think it's pretty unanimously described as LM, IIRC Anaheim provided the factories though not much else and at least some personnel had a past with SNRI and Formula project data was used, but the actual work was done by LM all the same. Just like how Victory units (at least some) were built in old factories on Earth by LM people, hidden from Zanscare occupants
>>23699724We know LM produced them, but we also know LM didn't have the ability to design the V2 and it's been said to be a united effort between SNRI and AE, but the particulars have never been elaborated on with any detail, nor has the LM as an organization in general. The best we get details on is that the V Gundam parts were made in a bunch of different factories across Earth and the Moon with AE's help and are all slightly different. There just isn't much more than little throwaway lines, no bigger picture of how these developed, which is a bit strange when they're making far and away the most advanced MS of the setting.
>>23699730Unanimously is a stretch. There are sources saying AE made them, LM made them, and SNRI + AE engineers made them. Now all of those can be true at the same time, but they also can be different, and sources have varied in which they say.
Should I bake a new thread? we're still on page 2 but kinda just blazed through the image limit in like the last three hours
>>23699744sorry that's my bad I have too much free time today
>>23699744We're at the bump limit but still have a couple images to go, dont' we?
>>23699746it's okay baby>>23699749like, uh, two images
>>23699751Truly few things make me happier than getting an opportunity to sperg out about obscure toy robot lore
>>23699674>I have no handle, and I must grip.
>>23699716In the warring states era, lawyers have been abolished. Praise Maria!
>>23699639>>23699655> Several designs were created for ZZ's second half that didn't make the cut and got repurposed for Sentinel, such as the Zeta Plus. The FAZZ is a similar story, where it was repurposed from this very art.It literally isn't. The G Fortress upgrade was what inspired Ushikubo, the inhouse modeler of Model Graphix back then to scratch build the cannon and made this specific white FA ZZ with the hi mega cannon for the photograph. And keep in mind, this was 1986. When Mika Akitaka started to work with Model Graphix for Gundam Sentinel project, Akitaka really liked the idea and lead to the later intepretation of Full Armor ZZ development, ultimately he drew that specific artwork you posted for New Type Magazine in 1987 and effectively canonizing FA ZZ's mounting cannon.
>>23699760Btw, here is the 1986 kit. They changed some details to make it fit Sentinel's artstyle more and this is what Bandai used as the reference for their 1987 Full Armor ZZ. It is what it is. FAZZ's influence on Full Armor ZZ cannot be downplayed.
>>23699730They have openings that could feasibly be maneuvering thrusters when detached, neat
>>23699770>>23699770>>23699770new threaddiscussion slowed down but it'd still be inconvenient without pics so there you go, nerd out
>>23699760Let's try reading together shall we>Looking back, I've been involved with the 1:100 ZZ, and the infamous Hyp[er Mega Launcher was the result of the G-Fortress style armament enhancement plan depicted in the instructions for the 1:100 kit>Furthermore, the March and April 1987 issues announced the Enhanced ZZ Part 1 and 2. Part 2 in particular was produced with the full armor state of the TV setting, and the Hyper Mega Launcher that was featured in the April 1987 issue of Newtype magazine, and in order to emphasize the additional armour, the "white mobile suit" was featured in a predominantly white color scheme that differed from the NT magazine and TV setting.So, anon. Just answer me this. How did the FAZZ end up white to differentiate itself from the design that already existed, if the FAZZ existed first? Literally everything in this entire page is telling you they took the design and modified it to make FAZZ.>>23699765>This model is a Sentinel remake of the work that was announced in MG magazine as "Enhanced ZZ Part I" and "Part II (Full Armor Version).Can you just learn English?
>>23699765That model was made in 1987. Please just actually read the things you're posting. The ZZ model made in 1986 they're referencing is the Super Fortress model.
