This Gen' is our Fren' editionWhat is Progressive Rock?>https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/progressive-rock/Good albums to start with?>https://www.musicgenretree.org/essential_prog.pngObscure prog gems>https://rateyourmusic.com/list/antonbildern/a-secret-society-obscure-progressive-rock-albums/Previous: >>121442241
Name a more ambitious crossover
Is this Carpenters song prog?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEmcGUk5pig
>>121500456>Posted from my viddy recording device
What is the most "prog" prog album cover?
>>121500786
>>121500915Damn, my image
>>121500574
>>121500786Do prog metal album covers count?Because this one takes the cake.
>>121501082based sign enjoyerstill one of their best imo
>>121497003>Is stranglehold prog rock?this sounds like classic hard blues rock. what makes you think this is progressive? the 8min length?>non prog bands can make prog songs toocorrect but ted nugent isn't one of them
>>121500574When Fish fans say he carried Marillion, they must've meant literally
>>121501390The real reason he left was that Steve became too heavy
Which of these is the best?
>>121502074I like Live in Toronto, Radical Action, and Meltdown, in that order. Honestly, they're all good.
>>121500574FISH HE GOT PROBLEMS
>>121500456Here's a strange (perhaps dumb) question, for you anons.Is stranglehold prog rock?https://youtube.com/watch?v=HXzVzxdwYxoYes, its by Ted Nugent, but non prog bands can make prog songs too.
>>121501375>this sounds like classic hard blues rock. what makes you think this is progressive? the 8min length?Probably the long solo jam in the middle of the song.
>>121502074>1st Music is our friend>2nd Meltdown>3rd Radical Actionthe rest are good like the other anon said but with these 3 youll get almost the entire range of how this band played live in their entire lifespanthe only thing missing is a live album from 2019 that includes frame by frame, larks 4 and other stuff that they played live during that year
For me it's Dodo/Lurker
>>121502986No, it's too static
>>121500574>made a career of imitating Gabriel era>puts on an Abacab shirtBased honestly
Lamb Side 1 > 4 > 2 > 3Also just realized that my "copy" of the Lamb has In the Cage as track six rather than five. Can't believe I have been listing to it for years and never noticed.>>121503692I love the clothes of brass and hair of brown chorus in Lurker
>>121503466They apparently did sheltering sky that year at a very small number of shows and I think that’s the only song the 3 drummer crimson did that doesn’t have a recording>>121502074Also worth pointing out that live in chicago is the only place to hear the errors, which is one of the few new songs this version of king crimson did
>>121504114Side 4 is easily the weakest. 3 already starts to lose the plot a bit but 4 just trails off into nothing.
It would be better if Tony did the vocals himself
>>121503026jamming is neither inherent nor exclusive to prog
>>121500456>>121503778What about this one? Battle Hymn by manowar.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtNqj9g8HJE This wasn't an original thought of mine, I actually saw someone else call it prog.
>>121505288Is this prog I mean.
>>121505288manowar is like the least progressive metal band of all time, dude
>>121505389Not him but I remember someone posting a 30 minute Manowar track that was structured like a prog epic with multiple movements and shit in /prog/ a few months ago
>>121505389>manowar is like the least progressive metal band of all time, dudeYes, but I'm asking about specific songs, not their average output. They do have some range. For instance, they made "Achilles, Agony and Ecstasy in Eight Parts", which is an almost 30 minute song about the Iliad.
>>121503778>prog is just le wacky time signature changes and multi part suites
>>121505651Yeah, that's this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0AnLvPs6JE
>>121505726Actually anything is prog of you think about it
I like rock, but I feel like nothing I've found ever could reach the level of artistry of my favorite classical works. Are there any albums that would change my mind?
>>121505838no
>>121500456What are some good prog albums from unusual countries like picrel?
>>121505288no>>121505742yes
>>121505726I never said that, but Stranglehold is just noodling. To be prog you need intentional composition, to take the listener on a journey. You can be prog in 4/4. All classical music is prog, even simple stuff like Adagio for Strings. Prog is much more of an approach to composition than anything else.
>>121504683recording available*i watched a video of the band's manager saying they have every show from 2016 to 2021 recorded on video and of course on audio but they are waiting to see if something like a streaming service can be done where you can watch all of that shit at anytime you wantalso, i dont think theres a proper recording of Larks 4 anywhere outside of some bootlegs
>>121506013https://youtube.com/watch?v=PVxvXmENcbE
>>121505726nice strawman, retard. go back.
One day, /prog/ will be smart enough to distinguish progressive music in a colloquial sense and prog rock in a genre sense and not equivocate the two. I have faith.
>>121506262okay what's the difference
>>121503466Let's hope they have some of that recorded on their vault for a future release.
>>121506286Shostakovich and Brahms are not progressive rock by definition.
>>121506344But classical music is progressive
>>121504863Sure but musically side 4 has some of the best songs like Slippermen, and the last four songs flow nicely into each other making it feel more cohesive.
>>121506361A ridiculous and ignorant thing to say considering the sheer volume of classical music that is very simple and straightforward like early Beethoven, Debussy, Handel, Hayden, etc.
It funny that Ian McDonald is gonna be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for being in Foreigner
>>121506438Why is straightforward music not progressive?
>>121506457I'm often torn between my apathy toward the RRHOF and my endless disdain for Foreigner and the legions of brainless dads who keep demanding their induction.
>>121505389>>121506062What about Dark Avenger, also off Manowar's first album:https://youtube.com/watch?v=t7pd7tMgU4s
>>121506488>power metal butt rock is prog when its longer than 4 minutes
>>121506479The best thing about RRHOF was Rick Wakeman's acceptance speechOh and also when Phish played Watcher of the Skies at Genesis induction even though they weren't very good
>>121506505>30 minute concept songs with complex forms aren't progressive because of power metal timbres
>>121506519Also Alex Lifeson's acceptance speechhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px57H2bX9HI
>>121506542The song you posted in that comment is 6 minutes and is entirely strophic, retard.
>>121506488>>121506505>>121506587Listen to the song at least. It's not typical metal stuff.
>>121506519I also really liked Peter Gabriel's speech>Dream big and let your imagination guide you, even if you end up dressing as a flower or a sexually transmitted disease.
>>121506618I used to listen to Manowar, Accept, Running Wild and U.D.O all the time in high school, dude, you're not bringing anything special to the table.
>>121506488>>121506689It has 3 drastically different sections, in terms of mood and tempo. Saying this specific song is generic, means that you probably didn't listen to it.
>>121506753Good thing I didn't use the word "generic", then, strawmanning illiterate moron.
>>121506689okay and I listened to Mahler in high school, is he not progressive?
>watches the wicker man once
>>121506774Ok, what about it is buttrock?
>>121506808In a colloquial sense, sure. His music was advancing many aspects of timbre, orchestration and tonality. But he's only progressive in a loose, ad hoc sense the same way that progressive soul or progressive big band were progressive. And this is a thread about progressive rock. And I know this because I know how to read.
>>121506845what other sense is there?
>>121506830Radio-friendly boomer hard rock vibes with raspy vocals, simple counterpoint/basslines, "tough bro" optics, non-ambiguous key changes, blah blah blah blah. It's drinking music with more ambitious lyrics and 80s ballad malaise vibes. Stringing together various mainstream elements together is not a recipe for progressive music.
>>121506908You don't understand the difference between music that figuratively progresses elements in a theoretical/musicological sense and "progressive rock" as a specific stylistic genre?
>>121506951But that's just rock that is progressive
>>121506964Mahler is not "rock that is progressive" you autistic illiterate retard.
>>121507013Mahler is progressive. Rock that is progressive is progressive rock. You're really not that bright are you?
>>121506587>The song you posted in that comment is 6 minutes and is entirely strophic, retard.How is it strophic? The riffs change, and the third part has a chorus.
>>121506951The progressive rock you think is a specific genre is just one kind of progressive rock. It only seemed like a distinct style because it was the most popular and accessible.
Acknowledge Chicago
https://youtu.be/KYN94Dg-9a0?t=1078
>>121507113I only listened to space guitar
>>121507142https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI8b6GQ5C80
>>121506911>Radio-friendly boomer hard rock vibes with raspy vocals, I'd understand describing other songs from them as radio friendly boomer hard rock, but this one definitely isn't. Radio friendly music usually doen't have 2 minute spoken word bridges in the middle of a song.When the song's *chorus* includes the line "Raping their daughters and wives", you probably aren't going to get radio airplay. Those vocals aren't raspy, but that's a minor point.>simple counterpoint/basslines, "tough bro" optics, non-ambiguous key changes, blah blah blah blah. Sure, I guess.>It's drinking music with more ambitious lyrics and 80s ballad malaise vibes. Stringing together various mainstream elements together is not a recipe for progressive music.What's another 80's ballad like this?
>>121507030>trees are made out of atoms>atoms are invisible to the naked eye>trees are invisible to the naked eye
>>121507142>>121507167Sorry, I got the name of the song wrong.It was Free form guitar:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ4eh2x2B1Eanyways, this is the only chicago transit authority song I've heard.
>>121507218cool sun o))) outtake
>>121502074Toronto.>>121504114>>121504863Always liked side 4 myself, guess I'm an odd one out then.>>121506808>>121507030>Gustav Mahler was making progressive rock before regular rock existedThis thread really attracts the dumbest most pretentious retards lately, huh.
>>121506542>>30 minute concept songs with complex forms aren't progressive because of power metal timbresOther than length, and number of sections. Is there a big difference between the 2 genre wise?
>>121507198If only shortened radio edits and censored versions exist
>>121507362You could say the same for plenty of prog songs then.Relatively simple isn't the same as catchy or radio friendly.
>>121507435Plenty? No. A 15-20 minute song shortened to 4 minutes would be a disaster. It's far more doable for 6-8 minute tracks, and in fact happens all the time, like Timberlake or Bowie, sometimes because those tracks are written in mind to be later converted into radio edits.Don't even get me started on all the rap songs with dozens of censored N-words that get massive radio airplay all the time.
>>121507561There's plently of 6-8 minute prog songs.
>>121507667And plenty of them aren't radio friendly because of excessive time/key signature changes, inaccessible vocal technique/timbre, instrumentation considered too out there, experimental recording sound signature, harmony considered too abrasive or foreign, too much syncopation or a weird harmonic rhythm that's not "danceable", polytonality, or any other fundamental musical elements that cannot be removed by a mere length edit.
>>121507741plenty of prog music got radio play, this seems like a tangent. IT doesnt make something prog or not prog. I think Rush and King Crimson are examples.
https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#definition
>>121507781I know. I never said prog rock isn't ever played on the radio. I'm Canadian, I've heard Rush in the car a million times. Are you paying any attention?
>>121503692For me it's Me And Sarah JaneIt's like one of those Tony's long compositions but compressed
I declare Both Sides by Phil Collins as a very prog album because Wikipedia listed 'Art Rock' as its genre and that's just another name for Prog Rock.
>>121506911It's also got a few tempo changes and unusual song structure. It definitely doesn't have the standard AABA lyrics structure. (It also has Orson Welles of all people on Narration, but not that's really important). You could say the third part has hard rock vibes, but the first part is doom metal (the middle section is some instrumental thing aside from the narration). I can't think of any hard rock song like those bits. The intro riffs are definitely more complex than the average rock song, even if its not super complex.Manowar is Cringe, but optics/lyrics don't lock down genre. It's in 4/4 time, and it uses an orchestra style sampler or synth in the middle. The bassline mostly follows the guitar, aside from the middle section. So nothing really unusual in that regards.>It's drinking music with more ambitious lyrics and 80s ballad malaise vibes. Stringing together various mainstream elements together is not a recipe for progressive music.I don't think narration is a mainstream thing in music. Anyways, aside from weird time signatures or lyrics, what's something that prog bands do that mainstream music doesn't? I always thought it was the way they used these elements in tandem.I'm genuinely curious as to what 80's ballads this sounds like.
>>121505288>>121505651I once had someone tell me a Manowar song reminded them of Jethro Tull of all things:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbWxzLpKhY4
>>121500574>don’t talk to me or my son ever again
>>121508670i can stand by this>>121508723nice fucking spacing kid, now go back
The prog-est thing about this thread is people arguing about what prog is... fucking dorks
>>1215089701930's dissonant romantic symphonies are prog rock and you're a close-minded gatekeeper if you say otherwise
>>121506488Generic heavy metal sludge is not prog.
>>121507561Karn evil 9 somehow got a 4 minute radio edit. I also remember hearing a radio edit of thick as a brick but I don’t remember how long that was
I think I'm starting to believe what that anon who said pic related is their best album after hearing the Steven Wilson remaster though I still replace either of those versions of Happy Family with this one since finding ithttps://youtu.be/ngseCpr-b48
wtf is a jethro tull anyway
What's the deal with Dream Theater?
>>121510032No. Steven Wilson ruined Indoor Games
>>121507561>>121509794They did get short edits because a lot of the epics were just several songs stitched together, so you'd take the poppier part of one and release it as a single. Thick as a Brick did get a 4 min single as well. Yes would make shorter songs to be released as singles, but And You And I also got the short single treatment.
>>121507113>chicago>boston>texas is the reason>midwest pen pals>asiaWhat's up with geography band names
>>121506636That's my mans
>>121504999https://youtu.be/rlATvizWvhAI like his voice :3
>>121506911>Stringing together various mainstream elements together is not a recipe for progressive music.Does this mean Bohemian Rhapsody isn't prog?
>>121504999i very much disagree, the vocals on a curious feeling fit it perfectly, and they hit specially hard during the second half of the album, i like tony's voice but i can't imagine him singing somebody else's dream and doing a good job
>>121510238https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jethro_Tull_(agriculturist)
>>121510032based>>121511168cringe
>>121514654If I remember it all right, there's a classic hard rock section, a guitar solo section, an opera section and a ballad section. Where is the prog section?
>>121510032I liked Lizard before the Steven Wilson mix and I don't really see how it could be THAT eye opening. I think Fripp just associates the album with a stressful and frustrating time in his life and prefers not to revisit it, and only endorsed the new mix because it was good for business.
>>121512563>kansas>europe>asia>earth
>the timeline where gabriel and hackett rejoined genesis for the lamb anniversary tour in 2004
>>121512563>>121516414>u.k.>england>japan>hatfield and the north>iona>trans-siberian orchestra>the mars volta>jeff berlin
cowboy themed prog?
>>121516795>the mars voltaThat's areography akshually
>>121516858https://youtube.com/watch?v=B0awdorlQTkhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=WQSc0AjuVIc
>>121516858https://youtube.com/watch?v=orbOR5bVP50
>>121516381The argument from progarchives is that melding genres in a song like bohemian rhapsody makes it prog.
>>121518360Awful argument
>>121516885I was going to retort with "well how do they call Mars geology then, smartass" but it turned out they were ahead of meAnyway here's a song about Mars to not waste this posthttps://youtube.com/watch?v=EBKUU0Mneb8
All this time has passed me byIt doesn't seem to matter now
>>121519568And she shakes her head as if to sayThat it's the last time you'll look like today
Anyone else think this was mid?
More like Popul Luv this shit's awesome
The stages of Genesis fandom>Peter Gabriel WAS Genesis! They were worthless without him!>Hackett really was the true soul of Genesis, they were worthless without him!>Ok they didn't IMMEDIATELY sell out after Hackett left, Duke is pretty good I guess, but the magic didn't last much longer.>As good as the Gabriel era was, they were probably at their technical best after he left and peaked with Duke.>The prog stuff is still GOAT but Abacab and S/T are guilty pleasures, they have some decent tunes.>This might be controversial, but Invisible Touch is probably a more consistent overall record than even some of their 70s prog classics? Just a thought...>We Can't Dance is a masterpiece and Phil Collins is God.
>>121520433...and me?
>>1215041144 > 1 > 2 > 3, even though 3 has the best song. 4 is just perfect the whole way through, and 1 almost makes it there but lifeless packaging just pumps the breaks a little too hard>>121520433I skipped straight from Step 1 to Step 5 and i'm staying here. trick up to duke does nothing for me. although i was just on vacation and one of my relatives told me Invisible Touch is their best album overall, even if their best WORKS are in the earlier ones. says it's phil's least angry album
>>121520919Even the band doesn't want to acknowledge your existence
The acoustic parts in Frakctured sound a lot like classic Genesis
>>121520433I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism.
>>121462347there's a lot to go over here. This list isn't bad but a little questionable overall. let's discuss these counterarguments shall we>Wake is just rehashed ITCOTCKyes and no. the title track definitely is and i'd argue cadence might be as well, doesn't change the fact that the whole album gets it's thunder stolen by In The Court despite having better guitar and better bass and better vocals because it simply had worse writing and slightly worse production.>Beat is trashNo it's not. you're right on that one>ITCOTCK is good but not top tier KCRight again, it is. can't believe people say this shit unironically>Islands is awfulOf course not but it's their least accessible for prog fans. I get why people say it's bad but most of the time they just haven't had enough time to stew with it.>Power to Believe is worse than Construkctionthey're right on this one, it's actually way better. I don't know what the fuck you're thinking putting construkction dead last when it's even better than Three of a Perfect Pair>Starless is boring and uninspiredYea, it's easily one of their best. still never heard another album quite like it>Discipline is overratedI think it's a little nuts putting it First Place and then putting beat below THRAK and Red and Three of a Perfect Pair, they're pretty even in quality if we're speaking honestly.>Red is their OpusI may actually agree if Side A was more like Side B, but as it stands Starless and Larks are both superior>Three of a Perfect Pair is carried by the title trackI have never seen anyone in /prog/ say that. Sometimes in other random threads about kc/toapp but never prog general itself. you're preaching to the choir here
>>121521019Steve Hackett is the TRVE successor of the band. Tony Blanks and Mike Droutherford? NOT my Genesis.
>>121521381>ITCOCK
>>121521410it is their best for sure. that one anon just has yet to realize it's better than Discipline and Red and Larks
>>121521423>it>cock
>>121502074The one I was at.
When are these fags going to recreate the Duke tour
Ahem,YOU BETTER START DOING IT RIGHTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>121516929phil loves his cowboy culture
>>121520919congo is good fight me
>"Progressive">Hasn't made anything new in over 20 years
>>121521626It makes me sick that Jodorowsky didn't make this movie.
>>121521798>HOLY MOTHER OF GOD>YOU’VE GOT TO GO FASTER THAN THAT>TO GET TO THE TOP
Werner Herzog needs to remake Fitzcarraldo except it's about Rick Wakeman becoming homeless from putting on King Arthur On Ice. I am obviously never going to listen to it because give me a break but it's purest example of sacrifice for Art in the history of pop music, and probably the Universe. https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/06/the-stranger-than-fiction-secret-history-of-prog-rock-icon-rick-wakeman
thoughts /prog/? First impression is that i really don’t know what they were going for. I feel fucking predictible too saying that my favorite songs were the more TMV sounding (Teflon, Cotopaxi) but half of the slow ones ended up doing nothing for me.
>>121523435He still seems to like making music but probably hates the process of recording and touring. He rebooted KC so he could just play the classics without the expectation of recording new material and learning new setlists, and he finally gave up large scale touring because it was too expensive and personally demanding.
>>121523445If Peter stuck around just one more year it definitely would’ve happened. He left the same year that Tommy became a massive success and studios would’ve wanted to find the next rock opera to adapt into a hit movie.
>>121522240It’s the only song on the album that sounds like they actually put effort into writing to completion.
>>121524185Huh, I always heard it that tommy was the reason people DIDN'T want to make the lamb film. But maybe the people I heard talking about it were wrong.
>>121524317Idk anything about that, I just assumed the project died because Gabriel had his hands full with other stuff.
>>121524252I've always liked Shipwrecked, although the chorus does feel a bit lacking and unfinished
>Supertramp - Supertramp
>>121521381An interesting debate, and I feel you both deserve a B+/ A- for your efforts. Please check your work against the answer key:>SABB = LTIAThis was the pinnacle, two very different albums but both sound like nothing else, stand completely outside trends or time, and will always sound like the future.>Discipline>Red = Beat = Islands>PoseidonYeah, I said it>ToaPP>ITCOTCKObviously it's not a bad album, but I will probably never listen to it again. As Starless and Lark's are timeless, Court is painfully Now That's What I Call Progressive Rock! ©1969 with the renn faire lyrics and the heavy metal bombast. It is historically important, but Fripp had them move on from this for a reason>LizardBut not quite fast enough. I have great affection for this record but it is more Proggy McProggingham's Prog Kingdom and Family Theme Park faux medieval jibber jabber and a hot fucking mess (best KC album cover though)> Thrakk = Power = ConstrucktionNü Crïm is something I admire more than I enjoy. These aren't bad albums - they never made a bad album, just like they never made a perfect album - I just don't care about them at all. Lizard is a deformed dungeons and dragons meltdown but it's fun.Extra credit: every Rush album, in order of artistic merit
>>121523435He could easily pull another SABB and create a new King Crimson album with all the new stuff the last line-up played live
>whines about middle ages and fantasy themes/lyrics in prog>also a rushfagare you new here or something?
>>121524508scores on supertramp are low, is it any supertramp?
>>121521626Have they ever done anything from the Phil era?
Van der Graaf Generator.Trust fund band.That is all.
king crimson is a trust fund floyd
>>121525694They did a Trick of the Tail tour a while back and more recently played material from ATTWT, but that’s as far as they’re going for now.
I thought this was going to be a crazy prog rock album, not a collection of quaint english acoustic folk tunes with absurd lyrics
>>121528445I just listened to this again tonight, after a while. I wouldn't say its quite prog at all, but it is a great mixture of hard rock and folk
>>121525694The tour they did before their last Lamb tour included stuff from W&W and TotT.
>>121529162>ToTuuoooohhhhh
>>121528445>>121528685>a collection of quaint english acoustic folk tunes with absurd lyricsJethro Tull never really considered themselves prog rock, nor did they like being lumped in with prog rock actually, and thought it was absurd how both fans of Aqualung and critics of Aqualung focused on Jethro Tull being a prog rock band when praising or criticizing them.So as a giant joke to make fun of these people they followed up Aqualung with some of the most hammiest, intentional prog rock (up to that point) they could muster as some kind of ironic parody of the genre with the full expectation that prog rock fans/prog rock critics would back off or whatever but it backfired and became one of the most widely acclaimed albums in the genre and nobody got the jokeThey considered themselves a folk rock group.
>>121524426yeah. his hands were full of my cock.
>>121529261I find it hard to believe that they still considered themselves just a folk rock group as they released pic related. However, I still love all of their albums and they are an extremely versatile group. I don't give a fuck whether or not the band, or whether the general public considers them prog or not. I think they are an incredible band
>>121529374I think they're still great and Thick as a Brick is one of my favorite prog albums ever, I just think it's fucking hilarious how they never intended to be prog, didn't like being considered prog, all of their fans and critics were prog fans, but instead of throwing a hissyfit they created a tongue-in-cheek parody of prog that went over everybody's heads and became a prog classic.
>>121529421I love this album too
>>121529374I haven't heard pic rel before, but after listening to it, I have to say that it is more archetypal of the prog genre than even TAAB. That's not to say that TAAB isn't any less progressive, either.
>>121528445SALVATION A LA MODE AND A CUP OF TEA.
>>121506826I love this cover of Willow's Song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P1pDuGeSsQ
>>121507113I do love Call on Me quite a bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNngFXoKI2U
>nail down an almost borderline perfect mix>butcher the first solo to Dogs somehowI hate this so much, there's so much cool stuff that's more audible in this version of the album but I just can't stand how they step all over some of the darker and more noisier moments of the album, it can't ever replace the original for a first-time listen even though it has all the potential to
>>121527013>le funds xDFuck off.
>>121522240I've listened to Calling All Stations way more than any Peter Gabriel's Genesis' album somehow, in fact Calling All Stations was the 3rd Genesis album I bought after Turn It On Again the compilation and the self-titled.
>>121520433I'm kinda sad that even Banks didn't expect We Can't Dance to happen since he didn't think Collins would come back to Genesis after having such a massively successful solo career. Funnily enough Collins' solo success rather dimmed after that album since the solo albums that came after (Both Sides, Dance Into the Light, and so on) just couldn't reach his 80s height and his only relevancy in 90s was that Tarzan soundtrack.Honestly though Both Sides is very well-made considering he did everything by himself, prolly his last best album despite a very somber direction and just lacked the catchiness compared to his earlier works.
>>121520433>>121520979>>121531115Genesis didn't go to full shit when Gabriel or Hackett left because Banks and Rutherford were the chief songwriters of the band even if the credits often mention more band members. They were the core of Genesis' sound in the end. Gabriel was more worried about his poems and stories than the music itself and Hacket was oddly secondary, like, you can barely hear him in the mix most of the times. Collins' solo career ended up fading because he focused too much on granny music, but he is a masterful pop composer and musician. With his world music stuff at least Gabriel managed to gain some relevancy as a deep artist even though a lot of his major hits are very blatantly about fucking (Sledgehammer, Steam, Modern Love).BTW bros, I listened to Yes' latest album and holy shit it sucks, even the production is liked bedroom tier and everyone sounds like a tired tribute band. They aren't even trying. The singer feels like he's about to fall asleep at any minute. It hurts...
>>121500456Construcktion of Light is based
>>121533102get jiggy with it WOOOO
>>121533102The World's My Oyster Soup Kitchen is quite possibly the worst song they ever did
proggybumps
This is crazy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urp95tWoOCc
>>121531359Has Peter ever said what he thought about his bandmates' lyrics? I mean, even Tony himself admits his lyrics for Firth of Fifth sucked but Peter still sang them
>>121500574I wonder if they explored each other's bodies
What do you guys think of the album Love Beach (1978) by Genesis?
Phil Collins is based and I'm tired of pretending he isn't
>>121537301not enough hairy chests, wouldn't recommend
>>121536856EVERYONE'S WANTING A SHORTCUT TO SOMEWHERE
Holy molyhttps://youtu.be/M0hwS1sxbbY?si=U4wbaHkjtCeCTXlR
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zzmHP-Rw1_o
>>121537493God carfags are obnoxious retards
>>121529346I always knew he swung that way
>>121537527Go cry about it on reddit then
>>121537663redditors love reddit gear faggot
>>121531359"A lot" of his major hits are about fucking in the same way that a lot of gabriel era genesis songs are about androgyny. Yeah there are a few but focusing on them and ignoring red rain, in your eyes, digging in the dirt, and solsbury hill kinda misses what the people who call his music deep are talking about.
>>121529374Also love Jethro Tull, Anderson is an underrated songwriter and a surprisingly intelligent and original lyricist. If Jethro Tull was starting up now they would be considered a prog band - but so would The Who, Led Zeppelin, Steely Dan, Bowie, Talking Heads, Television, and so on. The 70s were super proggy, no one was ashamed to take a too long solo or sing about Hobbits or write incomprehensible "song cycles" about falling into a black hole and meeting the Spirit of Rock inside and receiving the magic guitar that started the Big Bang. Nowadays everyone is afraid of being cringe so they act cool and like Pavement and are only having coke orgies with barely-legal groupies ironically. Rick Wakeman has more fucking SOVL in the fringe of his silver wizard cape than every Pavement-loving hipster combined. Being cringe and being awesome are two sides of the same 3xLP concept album about climbing Mt Olympus anding defeating the Gods themselves in a guitar solo battle for the Treasure of Apollo and when you open the treasure chest you find ... YOUR MIND. This is why a half-century of music critic bleating has failed to kill it, and why another thousand years of catty Pitchfork whinging would fail just as completely. Prog will never die. *Plays 19 minute Chapman Stick solo dressed as Psychedelic Space Einstein*https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QVyfj7-mHqs
>>121537685> gabriel era genesis songs are about androgynyI’m kinda dumb when it comes to analyzing lyrics. What songs besides cinema show cover this topic?
I've realized something recently: Genesis was never good. DAEKTF?
>>121537824Really says a lot about our society.
>>121506554Probably the most self-aware moment anyone's ever had on that podium.
Greg or John?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzEkMAm5sgA
>>121537882fountain of salmacis bro. But other than that, certain readings of the lamb. A couple bits of supper's ready if you really squint. But my point is more that there are a few moments but they are few and far between, like peter gabriel sex jam moments.
>>121538191John = better bassistGreg = better vocalist
>>121537824Ratings on Wikipedia seem pretty low
>>121537882I guess the lamb? Also cinema show was written by Bank & Rutherford and I remember reading that Gabriel hated the lyrics. Looking at the Gabriel penned songs a lot of them are about social injustice than anything else.>>121537921No
>>121537921This is the final stage of genesis snobbery>they went to shit after hackett>they went to shit after gabriel>ah ya know what maybe they always sucked
>they went to shit after jonathan king
>>121538463king probably thinks so kek
Peak
>>121538191For me it's Johnhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=8nMuA2y0kyA
itcotck was king crimson's best albumok bye now
>>121538750this is both the entry level and final boss
>>121538191definitely john. Miles ahead on the bass, but only slightly better when it comes to singing/songwriting
>>121538285amen, agreed. though I really do like John's voice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75-8o8LNFOM
christ King crimson has a lot of live albums. what's your favorite? I'm listening to VROOOM VROOOM now (I'm on team Belew)
>>121539137Night Watch for me
>>121538510
>>121539137Either meltdown or absent lovers for me
What's a good guide to King Crimson live albums? I have only listened to Earthbound.
>>121539701>absent lovers... absent lovers....
>>121539785listen to Epitaph
>in your own (in your own) analllllllllllysisssssssssssssss
>the who>the guess who>the literally who
for me it's nick mason
The guy in the other thread is full of shit, Knots is a great song
>>121541155Some people just can’t into multilayered vocals
>>121539785The guide is listen to all of them, specially Absent Lovers.
>>121539785Listen to the ones that have physical releases
>>121541155Nigga they are just speaking all the words one by one for the whole song.
>>121541870It has a xilophone, id you like Easy Money by King Crimson but don't like Knots you're a hypocrite
I NEED TO LAAANDDD SOMETIMEEEFEEL YOUR HEARTBEAT (HEARTBEAT)RIIIIGGHHHHHTTTT NEXT TO ME
bump
>>121541155Agreed. Knots is the best song on the album.
>>121541107I like that he's touring as "Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets." He's advertising to a certain type of fan. If he included Pink Floyd, DSTOM, or The Wall in his publicity, he'd attract a ton of people who would be pissed off during the concert.
Band on the Run is prog
>>121544776Enough
>>121544869Uhh... Little Lamb Dragonfly?
Fucking hell.
>>121545255
>>121545263last one>vander turns into a super hero and beats the "pop music villain" who is a jewish caricature
>>121545255PRÖÖÖÖH :DDDDDD
>>121545271>"pop music villain" who is a jewish caricatureShould've used Phil Collins, there's tragic backstory and everything!
>>121544869>can't refute me
>>121540076>>121541471>>121541867Thanks guys
>>121545748Can't refute an argument that had no weight to begin with
>>121546107>multiple time signatures>long song>various phases of the song
>>121546125Your argument is superficial. Silence. Literally no one but you considers that album prog. Take your shitposting elsewhere
>>121546145That song specifically
>metropolis pt 2Where's part 1
>>121546168https://youtube.com/watch?v=W_4no842TX8
>>121546407For me it's this Metropolishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UNj-VK43iQ
>>121546407>>121546451Do I really have to watch these, then the upcoming Scorcese film Metropolis just to understand some crazy albumThose Dream Theater guys truly are amazing
>>121546158Disputed
>>121546470>zoo gangok now what the FUCK did they mean by this
>>121523989My least favorite TMV album. Noctourniquet is fucking killer tho
>>121533190I like it but I am a sucker for wordplay and puns
>>121500456>What is Progressive Rock?>>https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/progressive-rock/This definition doesn't explain that much.Is it worth adding this link to the OP as well?: https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#definition
Been exploring this guy (Yochk'o Seffer)'s discography or more specifically his 70s stuff. He was Magma and Zao's saxophonist and flutist in the early 70s but went solo after that.His 1970s stuff is largely avant-prog/zeuhl/jazz fusion but after the 1970s he just goes pure jazz without any of the rock, prog or zeuhl influencehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWUNnk8NZyM
>>121544771I saw a setlist and he's performing some nice deep cuts. Gilmour would play some of those as well. They do miss the 1969-1972 era of Floyd...
>blocks your path
bumpin
>genre autism stops>thread slows to a snail paceIt’s over
>>121541155Oh no he's stuck
>>121537527so based r/fuckcars sister, diverse walkable cities soon!
>>121548248Oh hey could you move please
Resistance by IQ is not a good album.
I used to be addicted to this albumhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hZhlIr3_QE
>>121552908That was their first album I bought when it came out. I loved Milliontown, Experiments in Mass Appeal, and Frost*Fest. Unfortunately I hated Falling Satellites. I gave it plenty of listens, but to no avail. Years passed, and I decided to give it another spin. I enjoyed it much more that second time around.
>>121547534I like the group Perception he was in which is kinda free jazz/fusion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StoC_uGOSJ0
>>121553457I missed you moody blues bro
>>121548248where's bill??
XBOX
>>121553484in his home most likely
>>121553499IS A DOG TO ME
>>121550868/prog/ needs genre autism to liveSo I'll start>why is krautrock not considered prog but zeuhl is?there, the next debate that will get another thread or two to bump limit
Say whatever you want about this album, but this shit sounds like the intro of a 1980s police drama set in Miami and it slapshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u30tEM1sZoM
>>121553598Autumn 68 is a great buffer between those two tracks toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdoe0Qs45Dc
>>121553530The problem with krautrock is that it has fans from the prog/psych side and anti-prog punk side, and the anti-prog side has got louder over the years. Also, a lot of prog fans have autistic meltdowns when they hear something different to what they're comfortable with, so you hear "not prog" from both camps.
why do we never discuss RIO in /prog/ lets get some some kino avant prog recs going
Red wine hangover, I think it's a U.K. sort of day
>>121554536>kino avant prog recs
>>121554536Is avant prog better than progressive dreamfunk
>>121554536
How do you respond without sounding mad >>121553908
Need some ocean themed prog bros
>>121561421Duhhttps://>>121561421youtube.com/watch?v=Qx5dzaYrcoQ
>>121555728Just don't.
>>121554536>>121555455
listening to snow goose
>>121561421https://youtube.com/watch?v=AD4d7jL8gx0
Hello. I'd like to get some recommendations for albums that anons think are as good as, or better than Amon Duul II's Yeti. I'm not looking to shitpost and say "no you're wrong try again", I just want to expand my progressive rock horizons because honestly I only know Amon Duul II, and Bardo Pond (specifically Ticket Crystals, very good album)
>>121553530>why is krautrock not considered prog but zeuhl is?Zeuhl originated separate of prog rock but it came from a similar kind of heart as the British scene (trying to elevate rock beyond pop music and hippy music), there's a similar sense of discipline and virtuosity between the two, a focus on grand concepts which define both prog rock and zeuhl, and barring the original 1969-1971 Magma lineups who were jazzfags most Magma line-ups 1973 onwards were made up of prog rock musicians, and every other zeuhl band influenced by Magma came from a rock background rather than a jazz/fusion background.If you're only looking at zeuhl from the very early 1970s you can argue that it's not really prog rock but, prog rock adjacent, but starting with Magma's Theusz Hamtaahk trilogy zeuhl becomes undeniably prog.
>>121563932If you like Amon Düül then Embryo is definitely worth check out. They are probably the best out of the Amon Düül offshoots and have a more prog sound than some of the other krautrock groups.
>>121563955>If you're only looking at zeuhl from the very early 1970s you can argue that it's not really prog rock but, prog rock adjacentNah it's still clearly proghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y_4mtKcSuY
>cold hearted orb, which rules the night>removes the color from our sight>red is grey and yellow, white>but we decide which is right>and which is an illusion
Anyone ever listened to this band:https://moozoonsii.bandcamp.com/album/inwardhttps://moozoonsii.bandcamp.com/album/outwardThey are an instrumental prog rock/metal band. It's a pair of concept albums.
>>121561421can anything ever topple these two?
>>121564659>>121564659>>121564659
is it good?
