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Mike Pinder Memorial edition
(1941-2024)

What is Progressive Rock?
>https://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#definition

Good albums to start with?
>https://www.musicgenretree.org/essential_prog.png

Obscure prog gems
>https://rateyourmusic.com/list/antonbildern/a-secret-society-obscure-progressive-rock-albums/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N36oRaEF4jA
goodbye mike :c
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RIP Mike Pinder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FKuzZqraaw
One of my favorite songwriters in the Moody Blues
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F https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC4njDm5Dzo
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And I thought this day couldn't get any worse.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrLM44CYz4
>There's one thing I can do
>Play my Mellotron for you
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Zeit
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Wussup prog lads
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dead general
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Tony Levin is just a really cool guy
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Fripp on Bowie's Blackstar might have been interesting
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>>121566727
He is
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>>121564659
Anyone ever listened to this band:

https://moozoonsii.bandcamp.com/album/inward
https://moozoonsii.bandcamp.com/album/outward

They are an instrumental prog rock/metal band. It's a pair of concept albums.
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>>121568083
the creator of stickpage.com
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Remember the Alamo!
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>>121568699
How can an instrumental album be a concept album
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The act is called Beat (Performing the music of 80's King Crimson), Discipline was supposed to be a self titled debut album, but they decided it would be better for marketing purposes to resume the use of the King Crimson name. Thus, the closest possible lineup, lacking the one criterion that would make it King Crimson is Beat, the successor of Discipline.
That's pretty clever, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it's a complete coincidence.
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>>121570617
Vibes?
There was Ian Anderson's Twelve Dances With God.
More folksy new age than prog, but still.
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>>121570617
Very easily
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>>121570148
Now THIS is autism
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>>121570148
wtf am i looking at
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>>121570663
>Discipline was supposed to be a self titled debut album, but they decided it would be better for marketing purposes to resume the use of the King Crimson name
It's crazy how often this used to happen. 90125 was supposed to be the debut of a new band called Cinema, but after nabbing Jon Anderson the label said they might as well call themselves Yes. Seventh Star was supposed to be a Tony Iommi solo album until the label decided it should be a Black Sabbath album, same with David Gilmour and A Momentary Lapse of Reason.
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>>121563932
>>121564279
I'll definitely check out Embryo, but would you say that album you posted is as good or better than Yeti? That's really what I'm after more than anything.
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>>121571517
It wasn't the label's decision with Discipline at least. And speaking of label stuff, It still baffles me how long it took for DGM to decide to actually utilize streaming services, but I guess that's what you get with a label founded by an embittered auteur paranoid about his IP rights and an audio engineer who overstated his business qualifications and had absolutely no understanding of the proper value of the internet.
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>>121571715
Gen Alpha will never know the absurd lengths KC fans used to go to sneak their albums onto youtube.
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>>121571822
Gen Alpha and Gen Z only know King Crimson because of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure anyway. It's funny to think that Fripp's hesitancy to make his music accessible almost blew a second chance to sell it to a new demographic. The first being not doing so after Kanye West's Power released. I still don't know what the fuck Kanye of all people could have possibly said to get permission to sample the song so prominently. I guess it's because Fripp wasn't terribly attached to the song and even resented its popularity for a time. I kind of wish it didn't work out like that, because it would have been really cool to see the song transform with the band over time like they did with Larks' Tongues. A Discipline era rework would probably have been the best version of the song possible.
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>>121571930
Fripp inexplicably waited until 2023 to sue Kanye over a sample from 2010
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>>121570617
>How can an instrumental album be a concept album
I'm not sure, but their bandcamp page explains what they were going for.
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>>121571998
That was in 2022, and it was a suit against UMG by the holder of the "Mechanical License" for the song, "Declan Colgan Music LTD" I have no clue how that actually works.
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>>121570617
>I need to have the concept literally explained to me in lyrics
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>>121572247
If your concept album requires a separate piece of media to understand it, be it a short story with the album sleeve or a writeup in some other medium or commentary given about it in some other context. That's not a concept album, it's an album which is comprised of a single suite of music like a classical piece, which is fine, admirable even. But it's not a concept album.
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>>121571569
https://youtu.be/V6G5eKBKx_w
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>>121571569
https://youtu.be/-AquL_4c2Pc
https://youtu.be/_TUfDN-3Atk
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>>121572361
This sounds really bitching so far, thanks.
>>121572425
Will check these too anon thanks.
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>121564659
>https://www.musicgenretree.org/essential_prog.png

Interesting list. You'd think being on 4chan there'd be some Japanese bands like Teru's Symphonia, Bi Kyo Ran or Ars Nova.
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>>121570617
Wait until you find out prog rock bands didn't invent concept albums
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>>121571930
For years the only official King Crimson uploads on youtube were live clips from the Radical Action DVD, which is probably why they have so many views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3028oDEKZo4
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>>121571569
I think so. It’s probably one of my favourites when it comes to krautrock.
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For me it's prog with horns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zu6jQPa7jc
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>>121573625
For me it's bells of all kinds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3tSi0QOs-8
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give me your best versions of Easy Money /prog/
right now i'm thinking the central park in 74 and the one in the night watch are the best but im eager to see if i'm wrong

all incarnations are valid
leaving this one for the cause
https://youtu.be/_CCYJ15d2lI?si=7o03QRHkdmWxn1o_
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>>121575160
hate to be that guy but the best version of easy money is probably https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxaM5ex1isc
i refuse to believe this song is nearly as great without Muir involved. Maybe someone can change my mind if there is a 1972 performance of it that's actually better than the studio version
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>>121575160
Really like this version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOFdAe6OKnc
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>>121565359
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>>121573287
Wikipedia says Woody Guthries Dust Bowl Ballads did, and that album goes hard
>a paradise to live in or seeeee
>but believe it or not
>you won't find it so hot
>if you ain't got
>the doremiiiii
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Is Tubular Bells prog?
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Is Jingle Bells prog?
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>>121572356
Holst, the planets.
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Is Tubular Bells Christmas music?
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Jingle Bell Rock goes hard
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>>121571930
Speak for yourself. My father introduced me to the band.
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>>121573844
Great album.
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>>121572356
That's just wrong. Thematic elements that link together relate to the sound of the music. You don't need lyrics to convey a certain emotion or narrative
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>>121577484
>Wikipedia says
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>>121579008
My daddy taught me a few things too
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What are some of the wankiest self-indulgent prog albums? In the sense that it feels like the musicians are showing off their technical ability rather than writing anything of value?

preferably not metal (shit like meshuggah) or butt-"""prog""" (like polyphia)
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>>121579562
I admire the sheer autism but that's about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PSHtH8zo7w
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>>121579562
most of ELP
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>>121579562
>All the songs are roughly 20 mins.
>Does everything from organ wank to choir samples to electronic experiments.
>Has one of the cheesiest covers as well.
Although I do like how ambitious it is.
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>>121579562
>Frances the Mute - The Mars Volta
Longest song is half an hour, most of which is dedicated to a bunch of guitar solos and sfx. Shortest is 6 minutes. One of the songs opens with 5 minutes of frog noises. Most of it is pure over the top guitar wank.
>Works Vol. 1 - Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Double album recorded at the height of their fame. Each side is composed by a member of the band respectively (last side is a full band effort). First side is an 18 minute, straight faced piano concerto. Final song on the album is a 14 minute sea shanty about touring on the road.
>Tales from Topographic Oceans - Yes
Double album. Four tracks, all of them take up a full side. By all accounts, the band were just jerking off here and using the extra space to flaunt their technical chops. Lyrics are a bunch of nonsense inspired by the four fields of Hindu texts
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>>121579667
rare Slav prog, nice
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>>121575620
huh, first time hearing this one, it's really nice.
it feels like the middle section is more similar to the ones they used to make during 1973 specifically

leaving this other ones for the cause
https://youtu.be/eOdk015mLEo?si=BnHVBK4lBT-5A5X4
https://youtu.be/k0olhLU7blI?si=sIX8VSKg8Qo05Czj
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>>121579738
>filtered by coqui frogs

You know they play a role in the album's narrative, right? Nothing on FtM is just thrown in there for the sake of it
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>>121580134
Why can’t we have instrumental Mars Volta? I just can’t, that screamer
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Ween is prog.
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Weezer is prog.
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>>121577604
>Is Tubular Bells prog?
I think it is.
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Is Close to the Edge prog?
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i think i'm at the point where the word 'Starless' makes me think of the album first, and then the song 2nd...
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>>121581210
You should play the game too
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22 minutes until I can eat again
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NOW THAT ONE LOOKS JEWISH
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You can't refute this
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>>121581538
I can reflute this
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>>121581621
CARLOS!!!!
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>>121581621
gotem
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>>121581538
But yes.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=p8rHA3f0Fv8
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>best Supertramp album in your path
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>>121582059
>in your path
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>>121581210
For me it's Sei Shoujos Starless
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>>121581538
What are their heavy metal albums, because Aqualung was just nonsense acoustic folk
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>>121581987
for me it's day eleven
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>>121582059
I mean, it’s very good and definitely underrated, but, crime of the century exists
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>>121582059
Dude move on to something else already
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>/prog/ trampposting again
life is peaceful once more
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NOT MUCH OF A GIRLFRIEND
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>>121582318
Crest of a knave won the best hard rock/metal grammy
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>>121582580
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OodBnVMZkN4
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>>121582580
It was such a weird left field choice, not just because the competition was so steep and the album is hardly Tull's hardest rocking, but also because the grammys never acknowledge prog anyway.
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>>121573625
For me it's prog with Horn
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vzxZzIiO84Y
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KWAB: the musician
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>>121582897
but did it cover Tony Banks's extensive solo work
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>>121582844
geoff has got to be the greatest musician with Downes syndrome.. kinda fucked up that they gave him that nickname tho
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>>121582961
I, for one, admire the band's commitment to diversity, after all, there's only one White guy there
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>>121582916
I can appreciate his grievances but he also sometimes comes off as vain and stubborn as Tony. The other guys, Tony included, eventually figured out that they could cooperate as a band and satisfy their individual ambitions as solo artists simultaneously, but apparently Steve didn't want to hold out for that.
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>>121583120
Few people misunderstand what made the band they were in popular as much as good old Tony
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>>121582897
>musicians that are hacks
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Should I get the official King Crimson Fly Swatter® for only $12.00 + tip?
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What's with all the prog frontmen making solo albums lately?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X7GEbtuOm0
We got one by the guys from Leprous, Haken, Fates Warning, now Sylvan and obviously Steven Wilson has released multiple albums
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>>121582844
>from the moment you tell me
>YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
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>and i have been crowned
>kiiiiiing crimsoooooooon
Seriously?
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>>121564724
The greatest of many great Moody’s songs in my opinion.
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>>121571930
>It's funny to think that Fripp's hesitancy to make his music accessible almost blew a second chance to sell it to a new demographic
If Fripp wanted Crimson's music to be more "accesible", he wouldn't have disbanded them in the mid 70s, the mid 80s, the mid 00s... They'd also be like Yes or ELP, where you got to see stuff like Union or Love Beach.
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>>121583954
Bit of a stretch to call him a frontman but Colin Bass is releasing a new album this year too
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vCKYostCKJE
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>>121570617
Camel's The Snow Goose
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>>121584162
If he didn't care about the business side of things at all, he wouldn't have founded DGM to be his personal label while larping like it's some kind of revolution in IP rights management.
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>>121584162
Desu a reunion of the original lineup for the 50th anniversary tour would've been amazing.
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>>121583120
Supposedly they told Steve he couldn’t make solo albums and be in genesis after he did voyage of the acolyte
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>>121584913
What a change of tune then. Maybe the others felt guilty about what happened and decided to not make the same mistake again.
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>>121584677
He cares, it's just that he wants to own and curate everything he does by himself. Since he can feel himself getting older, he's getting more in tune to how things are done now, and releases like a 10 album boxset of Red. But he does NOT want Crimson in the radio. It was something of an "accident" that 80s Crimson went big (and bigger than they ever were, arguably).
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>>121564659
Is this a prog rock/metal song: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6wp8CyjbMJQ
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>>121585916
The most commercial success any album under the King Crimson name had was with In the Court of The Crimson King. The second highest was Three of a Perfect Pair.
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>>121586098
it's a bit longer than usual but i didnt hear much musical that jumped out
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There we shall spend our final days of our lives;
Tell the same old stories: yeah well,
At least we tried.
Into the West, smiles on our faces, we'll go;
Oh, yes, and our apologies to those
Who'll never really know the way.
We're refugees, walking away from the life
That we've known and loved;
Nothing to do or say, nowhere to stay;
Now we are alone.
We're refugees, carrying all we own
In brown bags, tied up with string;
Nothing to think, it doesn't mean a thing,
But we'll be happy on our own.
West is Mike and Susie;
West is where I love,
West is refugees' home.
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>>121586618
What are some key musical things you want to look when making this determination?
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>>121564659
I decided to try to listen to ELP, but the first 2 songs I chose were mostly just acoustic guitar ballads (though both had a synth solo at the end). "Lucky man" and "from the beginning"
I heard they were over the top and extravagant.

Whats a song of theirs that showcases this, but isn't super long. I just wanna try out their stuff.
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>>121586779
It could be pretty much anything, i'm not tied to the cliches of odd time signatures and such.
The simplest way to say it would be 'surprises', something that isn't predictable from what came before it.
Maybe also instrumental sections that isn't just a regular solo over a regular backing - maybe i missed something in this one, but it played and came into one ear out the other without leaving much of an impression
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>>121586803
>Knife Edge
>Hoedown
>Jerusalem
>Karn Evil 9 1st movement part 2
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>>121586803
rarely in a good way, though, they are guilty of most if not all pejorative prog cliches (capes, long drum solos, arrogance, etc).

i'd say watch live footage from their peak years
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>>121586846
The song's "main riff" gets changed a few times, for instance after the first chorus. I think there's also key change during the bridge close to 4 minutes in, where the song's mood become much more cheerfull (that seems a little unexpected to me).

In anycase, the structure of that song is definitely more complex than wasps earlier discography, which is straightforward classic metal. The earlier stuff is a lot more lowbrow (but still great): https://youtube.com/watch?v=LFTpo_fTNes
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>>121586803
Their most popular tracks were usually Greg Lake’s soft rock/guitar ballad stuff. The really over the top self indulgent shit is stuff like Tarkus or Brain Salad Surgery
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>>121587214
Does that soft ballad stuff of theirs count as prog rock?

It didn’t seem as out there as moonchild from king crimson
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>>121587500
Both Lucky Man and From the Beginning, (And Still... but to a lesser degree) have sections where it's clear the song was composed to be a mainstream-adjacent lead in to more progressive elements. I would still count them, because the only thing that seems to be a necessary criterion for calling music prog is whether or not the musicians themselves are considered prog.
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>>121587592
Is the prog part of those songs just the synth solo?
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>>121587703
I also consider the vocals to have a distinctively closer to prog quality than most of their contemporaries, and the bass on Still... is definitely also a prog element as it puts an emphasis on technical skill and the composition as a whole is more technical than the majority of popular ballad style songs of 1973.
I completely understand why someone else might exclude those songs from their particular definition of the genre, but I personally don't think a particularly strict or specific definition is constructive or even sufficient, because the only way to do that would be to split it into chronological subcategories which, again, don't have very much in common aside from the people who are making the music.
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>>121587825
>>121587592
I just listened to "Still... You Turn Me On".
I get why this one is considered prog. It seems more intricate than the other 2.
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>>121567445
Catstar
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>>121580193
listen to omar's solo albums
old money, the apocalypse inside of an orange and a manual dexterity (the last song on that album has cedric on vocals thoughever)
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>>121586860
>>Hoedown
This one is a cover of a classical music piece about cowboys.
It's definitely good though.

Does it count as prog?
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>>121588139
cowprog
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>>121588139
knife edge is a cover of janacek's sinfonietta.
jerusalem is a cover of hubert parry's jerusalem.
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>>121564659
Does the classic progressive rock band Genesis count as prog?
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>>121588782
Yesn’t
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>>121577484
haven't heard it, i had niggas like Frank Sinatra or Duke Ellington in mind
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Is it prog?
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>>121590313
Why do people make fun of Phil? Ok Sussudio was a bit bad, but I've heard worse and his other output is amazing
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>>121590351
Phil's popularity was before my time so the only critiques I have heard are from prog artists/fans who think it was his fault Genesis went pop. That and the South Park guys being mad that they lost. He was also one of the biggest pop musicians of the 80s and people will hate you no matter how talented you are.
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>>121590313
its mom prog
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>>121580193
I love Cedric vocals but I can admit they are more off-putting than an acquired taste. Just listen to Omar's solo stuff
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>>121590351
From people I have talked to who grew up in the 80s, he was literally EVERYWHERE, like almost up there with MJ. I'm not overexaggerating so I think a lot of the hate for him comes from overexposure in the media and his quite frankly lacklustre pop career after 84-87
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>>121590888
I heard that all throughout the 80s, if you tuned to any pop/rock radio station, you'd catch a Phil Collins song on one of them at any given time. It was that bad
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>>121590888
>>121590918
You can't have too much of a good thing though, it's why heroin has no negative effects
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>>121590486
His reputation in the UK also tanked because the tabloids relentlessly hounded him over his second divorce and *alleged* tax dodging. He was legitimately vilified by lefty musicians and journos for a while.
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This far in their career, is this prog? Oh well, just came in the mail. Hell yes.
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>Choose your fighter
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>>121584093
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xki7zFcKOHU
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>>121592415
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Just listened to Camel-Mirage
It's not very good
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>>121595613
faggot :)
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>progre...

fuck off
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>>121572356
the lamb lies down on broadway
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>>121595613
I WAS IN THE KITCHEN
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Is there a prog album with the sort of atmosphere that this track has?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgMp9ADcYls
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>>121590313
unironically the only thing that kept Phil Collins relevant in 90s (like he could still pull hundred thousands of people to his world tour but his songs no longer reached high on the charts anymore), kinda sad because he still could pump some great tunes in that decade but it's like his time had passed by then.
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Favorite prog samples?

https://youtu.be/HtbAgynP8iY?si=wxKnfnL9ZFAd8Zzr
https://youtu.be/uSxlZQUqVPY?si=LMFjrl6l5HDU9jQd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKjCocPdsxM
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>>121564659
>>121588782
>>121590313
Is this Def Leppard song prog: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kKQXG6HAszg
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>>121596908
Can't talk about "Death Grips" and "prog samples" without this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEOzrhYmaaM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCzuvChe2pY
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Best folky ye olde england prog?
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>>121597148
https://youtube.com/watch?v=aR2s_gCDtNw
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>>121597107
I recognize the sample in Interview B but I can't remember who did it
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God damn bros, this upcoming Beat tour has me paying way more attention to King Crimson's 80s albums and they are killer. I still greatly prefer the 70s material, but ToaPP is way too cool.
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>>121582844
Machine Messiah is so good
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Does Medley of the Molds count as /prog/: https://youtu.be/zMM_q92r0Ys?si=O1ESYUPRjdS1TsG7
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>>121597513
Pretty sure it’s echoes
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What does /prog/ think about Arthur Brown and Kingdom Come?
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>I DON’T WANT TO HATE
>I JUST WANT TO GROW
>WHY CAN’T I LET ME LIVE AND BE FREE BUT I DIE VERY SLOWLY ALOOOOOOOOOONE

Sometimes i believe this entire segment is the best moment in all of prog.
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STAND BACK
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>>121598858
What is this, a kingdom for ants?
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>>121599166
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>>121598858
Kino, the true progfather
https://youtu.be/-djqIZCayxI?si=OjsAdRr-Wo4hIxX4
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>>121592983
6'0 vs 5'11
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>>121592983
>this can't be happening, I'm the big guy here
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>>121600071
Why does Fish look like the love child of Peter and Phil?
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>>121600234
Just another example of Marillion's Genesis worship
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As much as Genesis fans put down the 2007 mixes, I have to credit the Lamb remix with improving my opinion of the album. Previously I only ever heard a shitty low rate mp3 download from limewire that was transferred to disc, and it dulled a lot of the album's finer details. Just being able to hear it in high quality, regardless of the mixing changes, was a real eye opener.
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=KFHHpcapauo

Does this have enough bass wankery to be considered prog rock/metal? If so, what are some songs like it?
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>>121600854
why is it so important to you whether it's considered prog
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Do you reckon he's figured out who dunnit yet?
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>>121601356
My headcanon is that Whodunit was him coping with his guilty conscience after letting that guy drown in In the Air Tonight.
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>>121600854
all metal (except some black metal) is prog
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>>121601471
how can one drown in the air?
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>>121601536
I agree
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1Ewo3vhYv0k
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>>121601471
What a twist!
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>>121601337
It's not important. I'm just bored, and its fun to think about.
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>>121601356
Probably one of his ex wives.
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>>121601550
The official youtube of the people who made that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSgP9EaEcRk

Anyways, the game this is from looks cool:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/262260/JetsnGuns_Gold/
My inner child wants to play it.
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>>121601550
is this sarcasm?
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>>121601536
>all metal (except some black metal) is prog
How is something like paranoid prog?
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>>121602025
shmups are cool
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>>121602025
this game is tits and you get to bomb the band's concert
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>>121600720
Those remixes breathed new life into Genesis for me. I'd played the 90s CDs to death by that point.
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>>121597148
https://youtu.be/9lTnwQj80i0
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>>121602808
I have a bias for the remixes because they were the first versions I heard in most cases. It was so weird getting Foxtrot on vinyl and hearing the original mix of Suppers Ready.
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>>121603173
Am I stupid? I can't tell the differences in the mixes apart.
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>>121601536
No metal is prog.
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prog is worse when metal is shoehorned into it
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>>121604245
21st Century Schizoid Man was one of the songs which contributed to the coalescence of what we call metal music, and was composed without the intent or knowledge that they were contributing to a nascent genre, as they were not familiar with the works of the other early pioneers and not all of the track can be called metal. I think what you're talking about is just the same natural taste for that kind of sound reemerging later. Perhaps in an effort to reclaim that sound and intensity as a more general quality all music could make use of without being cordoned into the confines of a single homogenous identity. Or I'm grasping at straws and making an excuse to speak in big words that don't mean much.
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>>121604034
It depends, sometimes it's very subtle and sometimes it's very noticeable. In general the clarity and separation of the instrumental tracks is higher, but there are occasionally minor guitar vamps or synth lines or backing vocals that either get turned up or buried. The most drastic change I can remember is the vocal and instrumental of Dancing With the Moonlit Knight being slightly out of sync at the beginning.
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>>121604245
70s prog metal like Purple and Heep are good
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New Gilmour dropped bois

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMr5GpCpKyA
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Listen to Great Value Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M9zwYQfxR0
>>121605169
Interesting song title
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>>121605402
How much does a star castle cost? Is it cheaper than land based real estate?
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>>121605656
The hidden cost is commuting everyday. The best value in the market right now is virtual land. I just made a killing selling plots of land in the metaverse.
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Is it apples to oranges comparing older prog to newer prog?
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>>121605819
Maybe? There probably is a difference in approach between artists who were inventing prog from scratch and artists who grew up listening to prog.
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>>121605842
I get what you mean, thank you for responding. I was thinking about comparing Yes Close to the Edge to Electric Moon Lunatics, both albums I love, I think they're great, but in very different ways. Both of them come from very different times, different contexts, and neither of them were made in vacuum. I'm interested in how prog has changed over the years and what thing(s) have influenced it.
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>>121606621
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https://youtu.be/Ll-RVQxJizM
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>>121605169
Ofc Polly fucking Samson wrote the lyric, the real talentless hack.
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>>121605402
This too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg8P3xVgNFI
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>>121607647
Fucking lol
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>>121611004
>fluid druid
lmao
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>>121597811
One of Roger Dean's favortites too
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXENYJuD338
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holy shit...
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I'm always amused and fascinated just by the amount of crossover/relationships between all the uk prog bands back in the day
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>>121612780
>You played with Brand X at this time?
>A.W. I first met Phil Collins while we were recording "Moonmadness", at Basing Street studios, Genesis were downstairs in the larger studio putting the finishing touches to "Lamb Lie Down", and I needed to borrow a drum key. So we got chatting and Phil was a very friendly guy, we met a couple more times after that, exchanged phone numbers and that sort of thing. Then Gabriel did his famous split from Genesis, and I did a major interview with Chris Welch in the Melody Maker, and the subject of Genesis came up, and he ended up using that as the headline "Andy Ward says Genesis will survive without Gabriel", which was kind of odd, you know, as if I knew! It turned out that Phil really was a strong singer, and the rest is history, as they say. But at the time it really pleased him, so the next time I saw him he was really chuffed, "Hey thanks for the name check", because it was really positive publicity at a time when they needed it.
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>>121613010
>Anyway, soon after he phoned me, and asked me would I like to play percussion with his jazz rock band, BRAND X, at a gig in London? I said "I'd love to", I was very excited by this, so I went along and rehearsed with them. I found them quite something to follow, not knowing the tunes, and there were a lot of time changes, very demanding. I picked up on a few things, good enough to do the gig, but I was quite nervous about it. Anyway the next day came, and it was the gig, at a place called The Nashville in London. It had a tiny little stage, with the five of us crammed on, I was set up directly behind Phil Collins on another little platform. We started playing and everything was going swimmingly well for twenty minutes or so, but during the fourth number, I was playing tambourine with my right hand, and occasionally hitting cymbals with it, and catching them with my left hand to choke the sound. I did a particularity spirited one of these and failed to catch the cymbal with my left hand, the result was the cymbal crashed directly onto Phil's left shoulder. Which I'd imagine was quite painful, It was just the most awful moment, and he gave me a very cold look that froze me to the floor. We carried on playing, but I felt pretty shaken, and was being very careful, but low and behold it happened again! This time I missed Phil but demolished half his drumkit and this time the band had to stop playing altogether while things were put right. The rest of the band thought it very funny, and made a thing of it during the announcements. I was never asked to play with them again. But they were a great band, and it was a fun evening except for those two incidents.
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>>121611162
>2014 was ten years ago
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>14 years ago was 14 years ago
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I grew out of my "there are thousands of better prog songs than that one" phase, this is an absolute classic
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>>121598953
You might be right. There are few feelings better than driving and screaming along at that part.
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>>121612488
This is basically a Genesis album in all but name. A few of the tracks were even written during the Trespass/Nursery Cryme era.
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>>121614616
I've never thought that was a Genesis album. If anything, some Trespass tracks felt like Ant songs.
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>>121614184
This except for pic related instead
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>>121611162
Kek
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This version of Hhai is so unbelievable. The amount of soul in Vander's voice is unmatched

https://youtu.be/M0hwS1sxbbY?si=2jjVYCY6TFHUJ5AO
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>>121614184
Queen wasn't prog. They were shit.
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>>121614646
That's because they are Ant songs.
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>>121611004
Funny I also listened to that yesterday. Didn't like it. The name is probably the most memorable thing about it. That and the cover resembling the one from Starless and Bible Black.
This one I really liked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdChSFgFT2Q
Maybe cause I grew up in South America but I'm a sucker for Spanish guitars.
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>>121616976
This is really good, thanks for sharing.
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>>121617974
I have been going trough the Obscure prog gems list and there's a lot of great stuff there. Here's a MEGA link for those who are interested:
https://mega.nz/folder/IJAnGL6K#nScPa_rgxtygC53XFqmC2Q
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>>121618140
For obscure stuff I like this channel and there is some overlap with your mega I think https://youtube.com/@ProgLine/videos
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>>121618140
Holy shit, thanks for this. This saves me so much time in foobar2000.
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it's a john wetton solo album sort of day
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>>121582318
Minstrel in the Gallery is about as metal as they got
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>>121620606
whos ass is this?
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>>121620678
John 'Health Food Faggot' Wetton's
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>>121620606
Moonchild more like Mooningchild
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>>121618140
Gimme the 3-5 you recommend the most
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proggybumps
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Fashionable country gentlemen
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>>121600071
For you
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>>121620606
GYATT
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>>121616976
This is extremely cool, and it's not just your personal background that makes you feel like the Spanish guitar is a great fit for the genre, because it absolutely is, in an objective sense and hearing it now, I'm surprised it's so rare to hear in a prog context.
Is this Iberian Spanish? or Hispano-American that just happens to be influenced by Andalusian themes?. Because if is from Spain in 1979, these guys would have had to have been on the absolute cutting edge and exceptionally confident about the very much uncertain direction of the country.
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>>121624901
They're from Spain
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>>121612488
excellent excellent excellent, it's been my morning listen for months now
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>5,000 monthly listeners
how can it be so?
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>>121621110
>Mesquita - Recurdos de mi pais
Love me some Spanish guitars, simple as
>Crucis - S/T
Argentinian band and the record was produced by famed Charly Garcia. Very keyboard/synth heavy
>Nektar - A Tab in the Ocean & Ambrosia - Ambrosia
Both aren't super obscure if you frequent progarchives but definitely not well know. Ambrosia was produced by Alan Parson and the band collaborated on some of his early stuff.
>Paladin - S/T
More psych rock but if you like Traffic or Family which I do it's good stuff
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>>121620606
SOHO NEON GLOWWWWWWWWW
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>watching magma interview with english subtitles where the members talk about the philosophy behind magma and stuff
>suddenly
>vander makes a weird grunt
>subtitles say 'OwO sexy vander scream"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh4ZmqwBMBQ
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/r/ a torrent for the egg discography
i can't fucking find one
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>>121628188
Just find it on soulseek
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>>121628822
nice, never heard of that before. thanks.
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>>121614184
Good shit, Queen's not prog though
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>>121630436
Their early stuff was definitely and undeniably prog.
Not remotely the best prog, but still prog.
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>>121606621
>>121607647
please for the love of god someone photoshop him to make his hands and lips just slightly bigger
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>>121630448
why
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>>121631588
funny
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https://youtu.be/dcwn0IGGV2s?si=muApRiZG1m1WaPCX
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Where but for Caravan Would I is so fucking good, I can's stop listening to it
WE'LL TAKE OUR TIIIIIME FLYYYYING
WE'LL TAKE OUR TIIIIIIIIIIIIME
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>>121632307
I was just listening to Winter Wine
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>>121630448
>>121631588
>>121631680
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>>121633123
just a little bigger
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>>121633169
The more i look at it the more alien-like he gets, any bigger and it gets obviuous at a glance that it is 'shopped. Plus, I already deleted the project file so be happy with what you got
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>>121633258
he do be looking like the klasky csupo logo doe
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>>121633123
>"Trio" was notable for being a quartet piece with only three active players – John Wetton on bass guitar, David Cross on viola and Robert Fripp on "flute" Mellotron. Bruford spent the entire piece in this exact pose, for the entire piece. His decision not to add any percussion was seen by the rest of the band as a crucial choice, and he received co-writing credit for the piece.
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>>121633967
Dude the best part is credit was something like ‘remarkable restraint’
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>BUT WITH ALL THEIR GREAT INVENTIONS
>AND ALL THEIR GOOD INTENTIONS, HERE I STAY
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>>121604245
Genres don't own aesthetics.
Total genre autist genocide.
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>>121606621
Would wearing this stamped on a shirt to Beat be too tacky or "main character syndrome"?
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>>121634203
Admirable restraint
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>>121636951
there we go, yes
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>one of the greatest keyboard players of all time
>can sing
>can play guitar
>can probably play bass
>can probably play drums
>cute
why did he even need the other guys
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>>121632307
definitely a top 10 song ever... hard to believe canterbury peaked in 1968
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>>121633967
i wish i got rewarded at my job for doing nothing.
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zeuhl peaked here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev_9C-bNVY4
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>>121637241
It’s Tony’s world and we’re just living in it
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The Flying Luttenbachers (the band who coined Brutal Prog) covering Magma's De Futura on some obscure Canadian children's TV show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Hap_1aoZY
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some anon said like 4 threads ago that a guitarrist from a certain band (he didnt name either) was the "new Fripp" and i'm very curious to hear what's that like
does anyone have any idea who that is?

Also >>121564659 FUCK, just found out about it, his song "Om" was the soundtrack of a very important period in my life, RIP
https://youtu.be/ax6ztO4WCa0?si=6-BzYIj9isAtyzd8
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>>121640648
you mean Black Midi?
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>>121642218
yeah, i think thats the one, thanks
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>>121639504
>4:26

based interstellar groper
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>>121638540
lol
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>>121638662
Tony's world is the city of gold but he has to keep it dark
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Hope you're doing good prog bros
always good to see my boys postin
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>only just found out about vdgg
is it my recency bias or is man-erg the best song ever recorded in the past 100 years?
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>>121644490
Van Der Graaf Generator is a trust fund band.
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>>121644824
Every thread until it’s true?
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>>121644485
>INTRUDER HAPPY IN THE DAAAARRK
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Anons is Tool prog?
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>>121646597
Yes but not very good prog. Mediocre prog.
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>>121646606
lateralus is bad prog but good metal, 10000 days is good prog but bad metal
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>>121646026
It is true, I'm afraid
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>>121646597
buttprog
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What do you think? I asked chatgpt for Tangerine Dream albums that are similar to Cyclone. I only know a few of their albums and don't know which ones to check out. Any others you'd add?
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>>121647437
I don't know why people are so fascinated by chatgpt. It's less magic 8 ball and more captain obvious.
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>>121639504
Wtf is up with this show? Why is a puppet interviewing Godspeed You! Black Emperor? How the hell did they interview Lemmy? Why did they get brutal prog bands to play on their show for kids? Is this why Chicago is the way it is now?
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>>121647459
I'm just treating it like a slightly more precise search engine. Wasn't sure where to look since TD's discography is like 80 albums. This was helpful for narrowing it down.
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>>121647577
But it’s literally just the following albums in chronological order, it really is the most obvious path.
That you would ask the MACHINE to tell you this just shows how right Ted was.
Not the talks guy.

Losing at least as much as we gain, every time
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>>121647802
Have we become the victims of our science
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bjRVt3k4q1E
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=o097PWVtnUk
>The man born Derek Dick is remembering Marillion’s Wogan performance almost 30 years later. After the show, EMI’s Head Of Promotions, Malcolm Hill, took him aside. “And he said to me, ‘That little smile you did at the end broke every mother’s heart in Great Britain.’”
Is Marillion momprog?
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>>121648299
we need make chart cataloging the essential mom prog albums
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